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"don't send them off to school"
Explains sooooo much.
3/9/2009 8:36:49 PM
Dear God that's fucking creepy.
3/9/2009 8:38:38 PM
So. Are we proposing walling kids off from reality and then beating them when they chafe at the bit? Sounds like a recipe to raise a serial killer.
3/9/2009 8:40:45 PM
"don't send them off to school."
I would hardly consider that loving them.
3/9/2009 8:52:58 PM
What else would you expect from a book on child rearing called Raising Godly Tomatoes?
It does explain why fundies have ketchup for brains.
3/9/2009 8:59:30 PM
"This is NOT hitting or anything even close to it."
Of course not.
It's beating the holy fuck out of them.
"It is critical to spend time with your children, getting to know them, by having them close to you (tomato staking), and leading them in paths of righteousness. "
I agree that one should spend time with their kids, but they don't need to spend every waking moment with you.
"Don't send them off to their rooms, don't send them away to day care, don't send them off to school. "
Yes, because heaven forbid little Jimmy get's a life of his own!
"Keep them with you and near you..."
What about when you have to go to work?
Take the kid with you?
3/9/2009 9:07:56 PM
This is like a step by step list for raising sociopaths.
3/9/2009 9:16:15 PM
Tomato staking? What the fucking fuck???
3/9/2009 9:22:30 PM
I would drive a tomato stake through your heart if you had one.
3/9/2009 9:33:38 PM
@ Thejebusfire - Of course not silly! Don't you know good ol bible followin' women stay home?
3/9/2009 9:41:13 PM
You might also want to try cutting off the boys' pee-pees with scissors. Only in extreme cases of wrong thought of course.
If only God had been as smart as you, and made sure his creatures had no free will at all. We'd have heaven on earth.
3/9/2009 9:42:35 PM
No,no,no,you have it all wrong. May I refer you to Deuteronomy 21:18-21? You must stone your disobedient children to death. This is really the only option.
3/9/2009 10:02:21 PM
Yes, Yes! This is true! Personally, I'm 43 years young by the grace of Jesus. My mother is right here beside me, helping to guide my hands as I type this message. One day, with her blessing, I'll be able to use those hands to stroke my di...ow, ow, ow!!!! Mother hit me! And that really hurt, Mother, and it's still hurting! Mother hit me!
3/9/2009 10:35:01 PM
"If you are a parent who has read the Bible, and believes it to be the inerrant Word of God, then this book is for you."
First mistake right there.
"The Bible teaches us, in no uncertain terms, that we are to "Train our children up in the way they should go". Biblically, there is use of a "rod" or other implement that is used for spanking. This is NOT hitting or anything even close to it."
How is this not hitting?
"Spanking is a tool God has given us to help us direct our children, but it is not the ONLY tool."
Prove God exists then we'll talk about the spanking issue.
"It is critical to spend time with your children, getting to know them"
"by having them close to you (tomato staking),"
By taking them gardening with you?
"and leading them in paths of righteousness."
Just raise your kids to be decent and they should be fine. No religion needed for this.
"Love on your kids everyday, all day"
"by having them near to you. Don't send them off to their rooms, don't send them away to day care, don't send them off to school. Keep them with you and near you where you can see each attitude and problem as it comes up, and lovingly correct, whether through training a different attitude, sending to a corner, or spanking, or all of the above.
Now this is getting creepy.
3/9/2009 10:57:49 PM
I'm not against spankings in principle but I've found that they do absolutely nothing to discipline my son. The one thing he hates more than poison is being bored; so taking a 5+ minute time-out is just the worst.
I also have the option of "creeping punishment". After I rule for a time-out, if he stands around giving me crap about it I tack on another five minutes for each infraction. Usually, when his "sentence" hits around 15-20 minutes, he gives up and goes to the time-out spot.
Don't send them off to their rooms, don't send them away to day care, don't send them off to school.
Not only will that cripple your kids socially, it's simply not realistic for the majority of families. As for sending them to their rooms, 90% of the time it's done to give the parent some slack.
3/9/2009 11:55:19 PM
And your kids got fucked up. Badly.
3/10/2009 12:01:31 AM
I agree with you. Fundies don't let your kids loose on the world, they'll only be confused when faced with reality. Best keep them at home with mom and dad.
It can be awkward for normals when encountering fundie kids because the kids won't know how to act and think like typical humans. And it will be pointless trying to be reasonable with them because their minds have been destroyed.
So all in all, yes, fundies keep your kids away from normals.
3/10/2009 12:13:14 AM
I wonder how many times Department of Children Services will be visiting your hour.
3/10/2009 1:06:26 AM
...and if they rebel you, then stone them to death.
3/10/2009 1:12:22 AM
Calm spanking my arse, (pun intended). The bible pretty clearly says that you should stone 'em with stones till they are dead. Goddamn milquetoast heretic.
3/10/2009 1:13:32 AM
Hitting and spanking are the same thing.
Also the 'rod' in the Bible we're not supposed to spare, was about steering the sheep, not hitting them. So the Bible is just saying to direct your children in the right ways. No problem there. But you guys think it means hitting with a rod. Argh.
Also, to all fellow-FSTDTers, as a secular home-schooler, I do have to correct the assumptions that home-schooling means lack of social experiences/social skills etc. Quite the contrary in fact - all the home-school kids I know have TERRIFIC social life and social skills.
3/10/2009 1:25:08 AM
"Raising Godly Tomatoes"?!?
There's a Norman Bates fruit cellar joke in here somewhere.
3/10/2009 2:00:17 AM
Everything this man has said should be completely disregarded.
3/10/2009 3:13:02 AM
The rod is a metaphor for setting clear boundries, not for beating the shit out of your kids when they do something you don't like. A shedherd uses a rod to block the way of his sheep and nudge them in the direction he wants them to go. But of course, I heard this from some godless hippy pagans so you know it's not really true. Or something.
3/10/2009 3:26:19 AM
It's child abuse, no matter how you dress it up.
3/10/2009 3:47:24 AM
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