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Final judgment by God and assigning people to Hell is not an act of hate, but love. I do not believe in a God of hate. When God ordered the Israelis to smash the heads of babies on the rocks and kill everyone in the Old Testament, I consider those acts of love, not hate.

God acts out love and just because his actions do not fit into my world view or align up to my sense of justice, I will continue to trust in the justice of God than any person.

Tim, Christianity Today, Comments 76 Comments [3/28/2009 9:21:53 PM]
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#930726
????

Poe. Or at least inspired by Poe. Hopefully.

3/29/2009 5:11:45 AM

#930751


If you accept Hell as good you don't get to call yourself good. You're a monster.

3/29/2009 5:46:41 AM

#930753


In my opinion it's very unlikely that this is a Poe. I grew up a Catholic, lived in a town with dozens of different Christian denominations, and met many young liberal Christians on the Internet. This is not a rare way of thinking among any of them. Mother Teresa alone must have indoctrinated millions into the suffering = God's love teaching.

3/29/2009 5:52:51 AM

#930787
Reverend Jeremiah

WOW~!! Suddenly it all makes sense..smashing the heads of babies on the rocks REALLY IS an act of love!!!..and Christianity looks so attractive to me right now.

3/29/2009 7:12:19 AM

#930795


I consider those acts of love, not hate.

Yeah, and a forced-labor camp is a "joycamp".

3/29/2009 7:21:38 AM

#930805
Eden

Well, either he is too a Poe (which I hope) or he is too dense to understand what he wrote ;)

3/29/2009 7:34:23 AM

#930844
the old firm

Sadly there are many (dare I call them humans?)... people who believe in such a twisted image of "love". So I don't think he's a Poe.

3/29/2009 8:33:31 AM

#930911
Sisyphus

Somebody get god a bloody dictionary, he obviously has no idea what words mean.

3/29/2009 9:45:44 AM

#930941
CalcSwamiS

What Tim is saying is that God's love is something different from the normal earthly definition of love. But if that's the case, what does it even mean for God to be loving? Based on this line of reasoning God could do any sort of evil and still be called "loving". The problem is, we now can't use human conceptions of good and evil to measure whether God is good or not. If Satan is supposed to be anti-God, then we say Satan is evil. But what if God's definition of "love" truly seems "evil" to us? In that case, Satan would seem "good". And if the concept of love truly isn't different once we apply it to God, then you've been worshiping an evil deity! Maybe Satan was the good guy all along! You can't start out with the unfounded supposition that God is all-loving no matter what because if you're wrong, you're fucked.

3/29/2009 10:18:27 AM

#930997
Old Viking

<bashes Tim's brains out with a tire iron>

"I love you!"

3/29/2009 12:27:42 PM

#931003
Oy Vey!

I see no one has mentioned this so far...

So here goes.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

3/29/2009 12:36:55 PM

#931011
TooManyCauses

I... what... I don't even...
THERE ARE NO WORDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT I AM FEELING RIGHT NOW.

3/29/2009 1:29:38 PM

#931084
Pass the Hatchet

Poe?


Please?

3/29/2009 3:23:19 PM

#931090
Insanity

"I don't agree with anything that you do at all in any way possible because it is inhumane and unruly, but you are a very loving person and I still am going to worship you."

Wow.

3/29/2009 3:36:08 PM

#931091
Insanity

Hrm... Double post..

3/29/2009 3:37:47 PM

#931104
Mrs. Antchrist

So sending people to be tortured for all of eternity is an act of love? You must have very different definition of "love" than I do...

3/29/2009 3:58:22 PM

#931141
Mister Spak

"When God ordered the Israelis to smash the heads of babies on the rocks and kill everyone in the Old Testament, I consider those acts of love, not hate."

This explains the christian behavior of Hitler and Stalin.

3/29/2009 5:11:50 PM

#931146
WMDKitty

@Orion -- Taking Tim's "logic" to it's obvious conclusion. (And yes, my ex really WAS that bad.)

3/29/2009 5:14:53 PM

#931180
anonymous

#define torture love
So when Hitler set up the Holocaust, it was just a huge love-in? And nobody understood it?

I disagree. If someone isn't love by the accepted human definition, it's not love, and this means God is a dick for doing all this shit and not explaining himself.

3/29/2009 5:46:15 PM

#931213


I HOPE that's a poe. Wow.

3/29/2009 6:52:53 PM

#931218
Classic

More theologically sound than some arguments, but still scary.

3/29/2009 7:19:31 PM

#931273
agentCDE

"Love". Yeah. You stay the fuck away from me and don't get too friendly.

3/29/2009 10:38:26 PM

#931286
aaa

"Love is like a birdshot hitting flesh..."

3/29/2009 11:04:35 PM

#931355
Thundersqueaks


3/30/2009 3:46:24 AM

#931410
Giveitaday

Final judgment by God and assigning people to Hell is not an act of hate, but love. I do not believe in a God of hate.

Your opinion, or "belief" as you call it, is irrelevent. If your "god" is omniscient and omnipotent as your religion claims then he creates people with the full knowledge that they will reject him and that he will send them to hell, and then he either does not or cannot do anything about that. That is not an "Act of Love".

When God ordered the Israelis to smash the heads of babies on the rocks and kill everyone in the Old Testament, I consider those acts of love, not hate.

Then you are morally bankrupt. That's all there is to the matter. Your slavish devotion to a being that you can't even be certain exists has led you to justify murder, genocide, and some of the most horrific acts imaginable. Torture, Murder, Infanticide, Genocide, and Gang Rape.... That's what you call "Acts of Love".

God acts out love and just because his actions do not fit into my world view or align up to my sense of justice

And yet you continue to justify it. Please tell how the cold blooded murder of a child can be considered a loving act?

I will continue to trust in the justice of God than any person.

Then you are no better than the murderer you are attempting to justify, and I have little to no doubt that you would condone and support those same acts today as long as someone told you that it was the will of your "god". When you claim the moral high ground you should look around and make sure your not standing in a mass grave first.

3/30/2009 7:21:22 AM
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