Quote# 61141

Does the teaching of evolution verses Creationism really improve a students education?

The atheist/Darwinist on here would have you believe so, but the facts show other wise.

Before the 1960, the US ranked in the top 10 in almost all fields of learning, and in the top 5 in Math, Science, and Reading.

Funny, up until 1967 evolution was taught in very few public schools. Yet the US had the highest ratings in its history.

After 1967 and the Supreme courts decision in Lemon v. Kurtzman Evolution became the norm in the science classroom, and the US’s ranking has fallen every since, until now we rank at 18th.

Not connected you might say? Hmm, over 200 years of God in the Classroom and nothing but continued innovation and elevated levels of education. 40 years without and we now fall behind South Korea, Japan, Finland, Canada, Australia, Austria, Britain, Ireland, Sweden. And a whole list of others.

Now for those of you who say, BUT they have been teaching evolution for years and look at them, That’s true, but NONE of those nations were founded upon the Principles of God, now where they?

So do the numbers not show, that it is NOT creationism that has crippled our education, but the lie of Darwin?

Lily M, Yahoo Answers 76 Comments [4/4/2009 10:47:44 PM]
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Vesper



What's even sadder is the "it doesn't matter that they teach evilution, 'cause they're evil" bit.

4/4/2009 10:54:12 PM

Hakar

Yes, because only in the USA do they teach about evolution.

4/4/2009 10:56:53 PM

shellk

Hmm. Or it could be that standards in school have become more stringent?





Nah.

4/4/2009 10:58:23 PM

Dark_Lord_Prime

"Now for those of you who say, BUT they have been teaching evolution for years and look at them..."

Um.. didn't you just dispel your own argument?


"That’s true, but NONE of those nations were founded upon the Principles of God, now where they?"

I dunno, but OURS certainly wasn't, so what's your point again?

4/4/2009 11:01:05 PM

Rat of Steel

"That's true, but NONE of those nations were founded upon the Principles of God, were they?"

The United States wasn't founded as such, either. Since no one's said it yet in this thread...

4/4/2009 11:04:25 PM



So... how many of those 'godless' countries he named have an official church?

4/4/2009 11:05:29 PM

Clown

",now where they?"

Or, the requirements to become a teacher got down. Or, they further improved their education sistem while the USA has almost the same number of schools like 20 years ago, leading to the overpopulated classrooms.
Conclusion: False dichotomy and begging the questinn FTL!

4/4/2009 11:06:37 PM

Zipperback

Translation: American kids are essentially a bunch of mental retards and only through the miraculous and supernatural power of an omnipotent God can they remain even remotely competitive. When evolutionary biology is taught in the classroom powerful anti-Jesus radiation emanates from their evil secularist textbooks, canceling out God's brain enhancing energy and returning our children to their normal thick skulled selves.

4/4/2009 11:08:41 PM

ausador

If your so concerned how come the first item cut every time there is a local budget crunch is the school funding?

Why do you scream when they want to increase local taxes to increase school funding?

Why let the teachers union keep poorly performing teachers in their jobs?

Why stuff 30-40 kids into each classroom with no teachers assistants?

Why abdicate all responsibility for your childs education solely to the school?

Why teach with outdated printed material and a non-existant budget for supplies and science experiments?

Why try to force the teaching of dark age mythology as science?

Well?



4/4/2009 11:15:45 PM



So... countries not founded upon the principles of God are better educated?

Yeah, let's run with that.

4/4/2009 11:37:53 PM

Denizen

Ah, schools in other countries teach evolution too.

4/4/2009 11:52:19 PM

Dio Fa

After 1967, you had Republican presidents for 28 of 40 years, based on a voting block of fundamentalist Christians who put them into power.

How was it that you failed to get your educational agenda implemented? Could it be that fundamentalist Christians were first used by the Republican Party, then kicked to the curb until the next election...repeatedly?

You betcha.

4/4/2009 11:56:45 PM

Dexter

South Korea, Japan, Finland, Canada, Australia, Austria, Britain, Ireland, Sweden

I'm a little bit confused.

You are claiming, that total secular countries with, compared to the US, high rates of atheism (Demographics of atheism), outwit the United States in terms of schooling standards?

And therefore teaching evolution is a bad thing?

Huh?

4/5/2009 12:23:32 AM

panz

Funny how the world's intelligence increased while ours stayed pretty much the same

You fucks couldn't even point to Vietnam on a map...now days a few can

4/5/2009 12:41:34 AM

anonymous

"Now for those of you who say, BUT they have been teaching evolution for years and look at them, That’s true, but NONE of those nations were founded upon the Principles of God, now where they?"

So a secular society that teaches evolution is better off than a secular society that teaches evolution but constantly whines about forcing private matters like religion into the domain of government-sponsored education?

Obviously, all this time wasted trying to get creationism is distracting us from actually improving the school system.

4/5/2009 12:49:43 AM

Ionakana

"After 1967 and the Supreme courts decision in Lemon v. Kurtzman Evolution became the norm in the science classroom, and the US’s ranking has fallen every since, until now we rank at 18th.

And naturally teaching the superstitions of prescientific Middle Eastern shepherds in science classes will fix that.

"Now for those of you who say, BUT they have been teaching evolution for years and look at them, That’s true, but NONE of those nations were founded upon the Principles of God, now where they?"

Neither was your country. Treaty of Tripoli. By the way, a number of the countries you list have a state-endored church. Nevertheless, the teaching of evolution scarcely rates as an issue.

"So do the numbers not show, that it is NOT creationism that has crippled our education, but the lie of Darwin?"

No, they show that educational standards have been run into the ground by a succession of indifferent administrations.

4/5/2009 1:06:32 AM

werewolf

As a matter of interest, could you name the "Principles of God" this country was founded on? Then, could you point to which parts of the Constitution reflect these 'principles'?


4/5/2009 1:50:14 AM

Paschal Wagner

So do the numbers not show, that it is NOT creationism that has crippled our education, but the lie of Darwin?

Actually, by your own logic, the problem would seem to be that your country is founded upon the Principles of God.

Good thing it isn't.

4/5/2009 1:58:04 AM

aaa

I think you have just helped our cause. Thanks, retard.

4/5/2009 2:51:47 AM

Orion

"South Korea, Japan, Finland, Canada, Australia, Austria, Britain, Ireland, Sweden. And a whole list of others."

Notice in this list we have a good mix of religious and non-religious principled states, Australia has a state religion; Christianity.
Britain has the Church of England.
Sweden is mostly secular but wasn't founded on such principles.
Japan, shit yeah.
Ireland, Catholic.
Finland, secular.

Hmm, doesn't seem to be any correlations by religiosity of founding principles.

Also Evolution was accepted and began being taught in the second half of the 19th century (1859? I think) but popular opposition to it rose later in the post-WW1 period and several states banned it. Then later after the eugenics arguments from post-WW2 were buried and only then did the 1967 decision re-institute evolution in American science classes.

"NONE of those nations were founded upon the Principles of God, now where they?"

No it's not like Australia and Canada were claimed in the name of God, King and Country were they?

You're argument that teaching evolution = stupid kids fails hard on many levels.

Good Day!

4/5/2009 4:30:08 AM

Tallyho

I wonder how homeskulling fits into the picture?!

4/5/2009 4:43:53 AM

ozznova

I'm not sure if anyone's pointed this out yet, but creationism is not taught in any of those countries (except possibly Canada and Britain).

4/5/2009 5:34:45 AM

Canadiest

No

But there is a definate correlation in that the Bible Belt is what's dragging the rest of America down.

You vote for stupid, dishonest people and resist education. Evolution's not the only thing you don't want to know

4/5/2009 5:35:23 AM

Illuminatalie

Well - they teach evolution in pretty much every other country, except maybe Iran and Turkey, right? Are you seriously suggesting that America is the only country that God cares about?

I expect better anti-science propaganda than this! You're not even trying anymore.

4/5/2009 5:38:18 AM

Mister Spak

" So do the numbers not show, that it is NOT creationism that has crippled our education, but the lie of Darwin?"

No they do NOT they show that you're a LIAR!

During the successes of the civil rights movement in the 1960s, the fundie population became enraged and vowed to destroy their hated enemy - education. In 1980 they were able to elect a fundie president, and proceeded to wreck the nations school systems from the inside. Now Americas students are the laughingstock of the world.

4/5/2009 5:52:47 AM

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