[Conclusion of an article titled "The Holocaust Happened"]
We could describe the mass rapes and killings that took place in Berlin. The millions who were still in forced British labour camps long after the war. The emptying of large parts of eastern Germany of entire populations. The fire raids on Dresden that killed over 100,000 women and children in a designated Red Cross city. The random shooting down of any prisoner caught in SS uniform. The thousands of men and women who comitted suicide rather than face the horrors of occupation..only lack of space prevents us listing THOUSANDS of recorded incidents. We could speak about the innocent men and women dragged before ILLEGAL war crimes tribunals of which Nuremberg was only one. Yes we can admit the Holocaust. The Holocaust perpetrated by the Internationalist controlled Allied powers, acting on the orders of their World Masters - the eternal Dominators from whom the order went out "exterminate the German people!"
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I don't think you have this the right way. The jews and other undesirables did not order the Germans exterminated. It went the other way. And as for the war crimes trials, I agree that it wasn't complete. Some allied people also commited war crimes and wheren't convicted, but that does not mean there was a controlled plan to kill Germans. There was a plan to end the war.
Yeah, and all those Poles, Russians, French, Yugoslavs, British, Americans, Chinese, Burmese, etc. deliberately jumped into the paths of perfectly innocent gunshots from German and Japanese guns, then conspired to move their countries right in front of where the German and Japanese armies happened to be out for a Sunday stroll.
You see, unlike Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis, the allies (USA, Canada, Britain, France) do admit to have done a lot of bad shit during World War II (I can't speak for the Russians especially since they did way worse shit than us). However, we didn't have bizarre racial theories, nor did we attempt to implement them on unwilling populations.
#967772, aaa - sadly they are, or at least were. They were registered as a party with the electoral commission. They've since had the inevitable schism that all far-right groups go through (because loyalty to self ultimately trumps loyalty to supposed master race with these people) and are in the process of disbanding and going off to other neo-Nazi factions.
Yes we can admit the Holocaust.
... if it suits your political agenda, regardless of whether it's true.
Okay, so then, if we just roll over your country in tanks right now, and gas a few million people, and then you fight back, you will be the perpetrators of a holocaust, is that about right? Thanks for clarifying that.
"The thousands of men and women who comitted suicide rather than face the horrors of occupation." ... Wait, how the hell is this one the Allies' fault?
The Allies are responsible because the Axis spread vilifying propaganda about them?
"We could describe the mass rapes and killings that took place in Berlin." You could, but that would be repetitive as these things are already known Millions ? Methinks, citation needed for this one. Most axis POWs were released by 1948, at least on the western side. Ok, a shade hyperbolic, but yes, ethnic cleansing did take place in areas that were once considered part of Germany. When the Nazis started throwing shit about, few came out of it smelling of roses. Your point? David Irving, Is that you? Dresden was never a "designated Red Cross city", whatever one of those is? And the vast majority of competent authorities put the death toll from the Dresden bombing as far less than 50,000 in total.In the terms of the rules of warfare that existed at the time, Dresden was a perfectly valid military target. Please see my comment above. To the extent that there are documented cases of the arbitary execution of SS personnel, then this is true. However, given the record of the SS during the war, nor is it very suprising. What is possibly more suprising is the fact that many, many more were not killed As has been already pointed out, Nazi propoganda created these mythical horrors. It is also a verifiable truth that a number of those suicides were by those guilty of war crimes. By the international laws of the day, the IMT at Nuremburg was in no way illegal. Those innocent men and women of whom you speak were, in the main, found Not Guilty and released. And yet, Germany currently has a thriving population and sits at the heart of a healthy European Economic Community, thus proving that these "eternal Dominators" are either ignored or made up. Personally, I go with the latter.
There wasn't a lot of difference between the allied and axis nations over all.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...and I suppose the nazis, being the great misunderstood humanitarians that they were, never targeted homosexuals, lesbians or mentally challenged people either?
Retarded children were exterminated in hospitals by starvation because they were considered 'useless eaters'. Sometimes their parents knew, mostly they did not.
Historical revisionism for the win.
There were mass rapes, committed in large part by Russian soldiers, and there were suicides, mostly because Hitler had told the people the Allies were monsters, and the people believed they'd be tortured when they arrived. It still doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen.
And when a country gasses millions of people and tries to take over the whole fucking world, it can expect to have its cities bombed.
Look, BPP, nobody came out of World War II without some atrocity or another on their records. That's why wars aren't good things.
But trivializing one to inflate another is the height of indecency.
One of the smarter comments I've seen on this list, which isn't saying much. This argument still ignores the reality that the Nazis killed innocent people by putting them in concentration camps while the Allies simply wanted to stop Germany from taking over the European world.
Also, you kinda lose me at "World Masters". WTF?
Actually, the Soviet troops who took Berlin did play hell with the civilian population. Some Soviet soldiers who had been held as POWs by the Germans committed suicide rather than be shipped back to Russia to endure punishment for being "traitors" because they let themselves get captured.
Did you ever think that, by invading countries, murdering millions of their inhabitants, bombing foreign cities, etc, etc, etc, the German People were setting into motion a huge retributive desire in the Allies, especially the USSR.
What the Germans did onto others came back to them.
David F Mayer
We shot people in SS uniforms indiscriminately because they were inhuman monstrosities.
Nazis lack the qualities that make one human. Why should they expect to be treated any better than they treat Jews, Roma, gays, blacks, the disabled, on and on...
The only good Nazis are dead Nazis. I would happily shoot a Nazi in the face if I got the chance and no one was around. Does that make me as bad as them? No, because their crimes were committed against people. Nazis aren't people. So there's no problem.
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