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At its core atheism IS a religion. It takes faith to take insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no God. All our arguments mean nothing to the atheist, not because of any validity or lack thereof: but because we are the heretics in the religion of atheism. Atheism cannot support its philosophy with logic, so they must ignore/fabricate faults with all arguments to the contrary.

Pride is the sin that is killing the atheist. Admitting he may be wrong is a violation of his religion. especially when he considers himself mentally superior to mindless followers of faith. That's why arguments with an atheist always go in a circle.
An atheist is the most close minded person you will ever meet.

MrMann, Mr Mann Presents 74 Comments [6/12/2009 2:46:45 PM]
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redlemon

Sooo...according to you, atheism is exactly like christianity?

6/12/2009 2:52:30 PM

Lucilius

Dogmatic atheism may indeed be an unsupported belief, but that doesn't make it a full-blown religion, any more than belief in anything without positive evidence is a religion. Is belief in good luck a religion? Is belief that your mom loves you a religion? Does anyone worship at the Church of Bigfoot Is Real?

6/12/2009 2:54:41 PM

Wehpudicabok

Have you actually met one, though? Because this doesn't sound like any atheist I know.

Also: Not everything believed through faith is religious. Even if I grant that atheism is believed through faith (which I do not), atheism is not organized, has no holy texts, etc. It is not a religion according to any meaningful definition of that term.

6/12/2009 2:56:22 PM

Davros

If atheism is a religion
i want our tax free status
1/2 of Sunday TV programming time
and to be able to act like a dick to anyone i disagree with

6/12/2009 3:00:31 PM

Godbuster

It doesn't take faith to jump to the conclusion of god's non-existence based on NO evidence. Nothing in this world points to an intelligent steering creating force in this universe except religious texts which upon further examination don't have any relationship with reality. I simply don't believe in things that seemingly don't exist and therefore, don't affect me.

It'd be easier if there was SOMETHING to point towards a deity, but there is NOTHING, so why should I waste my time believing in something that might not even be there? Atheism is more practical than faith based.

6/12/2009 3:07:54 PM

Grigadil

Atheism is an individual's refusal to believe in a figment of another individual's imagination.

The trouble with religion is that there are too many conflicting figments.

6/12/2009 3:10:51 PM

Ozzie

What Davros said, except I don't care about Sunday morning TV. If we were all to meet, say every Saturday night, out on my patio, had a few drinks, passed the plate and discussed the non-exsistence of God, then I don't want to pay taxes either.


6/12/2009 3:19:01 PM

Thejebusfire

At its core atheism IS a religion. It takes faith to take insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no God.

Religion is the belief in the supernatual and worship of a diety.

Funny how many Christians claim that athiesm is a religion, but if athiests were to open up an "atheist church" and get a tax exempt status, fundies would probably scream persacution and run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

6/12/2009 3:25:36 PM

Papabear

"At its core atheism IS a religion."

No, Atheism is lack of belief in any and all deities.

"It takes faith to take insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no God."

Excuse me, but I didn't "insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no God." I looked at all the evidence religious person presented and found none of it compelling. All things reliably reported as being attributable to religion can be better explained by natural causes.

"All our arguments mean nothing to the atheist, not because of any validity or lack thereof: but because we are the heretics in the religion of atheism."

Uh, no. If you had a reasonable amount of credible evidence supporting the existence of God, I would be happy to be a believer. All evidence presented by believers so far has been poorly gathered, poorly interpeted or just plain made up.

"Atheism cannot support its philosophy with logic,"

No. Start again.

"so they must ignore/fabricate faults with all arguments to the contrary."

You seem to have us atheists confused with the religious believers.

"Pride is the sin that is killing the atheist."

Being right doesn't make us prideful.

"Admitting he may be wrong is a violation of his religion."

Prove your case and I will believe, until then, it makes sense to be an atheist.

"especially when he considers himself mentally superior to mindless followers of faith."

I do. I DO consider myself superior to any mindless persons.

"That's why arguments with an atheist always go in a circle."

The circle is caused by your inability to understand what constitutes credible evidence and your failure to understand why mindless belief is a bad thing.

"An atheist is the most close minded person you will ever meet."

My mind is just closed enough to keep my brain from falling out. Too bad about yours.

6/12/2009 3:26:12 PM

Old Viking

Backward as usual. You makes the assertion. You must come up with proof.

6/12/2009 3:34:00 PM

Doctor Whom

Which God? This world is sufficient evidence that there is no Omnieverything God. The Bible is sufficient evidence that there is no Jewish or Christian God.

6/12/2009 3:52:08 PM

Tearlich

"....mindless followers of faith."
Well he got that part right

6/12/2009 3:52:34 PM

Giveitaday

At its core atheism IS a religion.

Just because you redefine what the word "religion" applies too doesn't mean that it is therefore the truth, you get get to define reality as it applies to persons other than yourself.

It takes faith to take insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no God

Atheism isn't a belief that there is no god, it's the lack of a belief in a god or gods, an atheist has no position on the matter. In your ignorance you have confused atheism with anti-theism, they are not one in the same, no matter how much you claim that they are. Atheism doesn't jump to a conclusion at all it simply doesn't acknowledge the question as a valid one.

All our arguments mean nothing to the atheist,

Because at their very core your arguments are flawed. You have jumped to the conclusion that there is a "god" without sufficent actual evidence, you believe it because that's what you want to be true, not because you have been presented with irrefutable evidence because such evidence would by it's very nature be convincing to others without have to engage in special pleading or other logical fallacies which lie at the heart of all your arguements.

not because of any validity or lack thereof: but because we are the heretics in the religion of atheism

To be engaged in heresy you would have to be practicing a brand of atheism that is contrary to accepted dogma and tenets, atheism has neither dogma nor tenets.

Atheism cannot support its philosophy with logic,

Atheism isn't a philosophy, it's simply an answer to the question "Do you believe in a god or gods". Atheism has no tenets, dogma, or worldview and no amount of sticking your figers in your ears an yelling "LALALA I can't hear you" is going to change that.

so they must ignore/fabricate faults with all arguments to the contrary.

Atheists have no need to fabricate faults in your arguments, you have a plethora of them to begin with.

Pride is the sin that is killing the atheist.

Sin is a concept of your own making, not an inherent part of existance.

Admitting he may be wrong is a violation of his religion.

On the contrary, i fully admit I very well could be wrong, but I have no reason to think that you are right. I'm not so arrogant to think that I have all the answers and that I can therefore dismiss all others as deluded and incorrect. If shown irrefutable evidence that a god, any god, does in fact exist then I am perfectly willingly to change my veiws on the matter.

There are hundreds if not thousands of different religions out there, each claiming exclusivity for their deity of choice, they can't all be worshiping the one and only true god, they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong, and I have chosen not to make claims about reality or the exclusivity of religion that i cannt personally back up.


when he considers himself mentally superior to mindless followers of faith.

Not every atheist consider themself mentally superior to theists, and the fact that you claim that they do is just your persecution complex showing through. You want to believe they all think that so you can feel justified. After all, How dare these people not believe exactly what you tell them to, how dare they have their own opinions or make up their own minds, don't these people know that christians alone have a monopoly on truth.

That's why arguments with an atheist always go in a circle.

I don't want to hear about circular arguments from the people who brought us the "The Bible is true because the bible says it's true" argument.

An atheist is the most close minded person you will ever meet.

How so? Just because i don't believe what you say I should? That's not closed minded, Rejecting the slightest possibility that you may not have all the answers is closed minded. Theres alot of things I don't know, but al least I'm wiling to learn rather than rejecting them out of hand because they don't agree with a particular choice of theology.

6/12/2009 3:57:54 PM

Zeus Almighty

Hi Mr. Pot, I'd like y ou to meet Mr. Kettle.

6/12/2009 4:00:01 PM

Haseen

The existance of God is unprovable either way. Why *not* choose the path of least resistance?

If a god existed, and was as damn demanding and all-powerful as yours is, why does it hide? It would only make sense to worship a god if it told you to in a completely unambiguous way.

I post this here because it certainly won't make it on your blog. Feel free to claim another victory that matters to nobody but yourself.

6/12/2009 4:00:32 PM

WMDKitty

Pride is the sin that is killing the atheist.

Because taking pride in your own work, the satisfaction of doing something difficult, and knowing, "I did that" is just *so* sinful.

Admitting he may be wrong is a violation of his religion.

And yet *you're* the ones who stick your fingers in your ears and yell LA LA LA LA LA whenever anything that *might* poke a hole in your religious bubble is brought up. *You're* the ones who cling to a moldy old tome of myths and insist that science *must* be bad/wrong/evil if it doesn't support what that nasty old book says.

On the other hand, Atheists can look at new information, assess it, and alter their opinions and views accordingly.

especially when he considers himself mentally superior to mindless followers of faith.

Oh, it's not a matter of "considering himself mentally superior to mindless followers of faith" -- it's a matter of "they ARE mentally superior to mindless god-bots."

That's why arguments with an atheist always go in a circle.

Can't be because you're using circular logic, right? I mean, it's obvious that the Bible is the Infallible Word of God, because God says so in the Bible, right? Fuck, these people are dense!

An atheist is the most close minded person you will ever meet.

*splutter*

Nyaaa??

6/12/2009 4:10:50 PM

Pule Thamex

Yesterday evening's sermon at the Science Church in Darwinshire was very thought provoking indeed. I taped part of it:-

The Chief Technical Oficer rises and addresses the congregation.

CTO: We'll begin with a news recitation, "Stellar Birth In The Galactic Wilderness"


The congregation adopt a relaxed yet interested posture, the right hand poised under the chin with the index finger over the lips and pointing at the nose in the conventional atheistic manner.

CTO: Let us give thanks to our astronomical brethren for the exciting results they have obtained. For they have shown that there are many young stars at up to 140,000 light years from the centre of M83. The galaxy M83 is somewhat smaller than our own Milky Way being approximately 40,000 light years across. This does illustrate the great distance that these stars lie from the galaxy nearest to them.

Congregation: Wowie! Baby! Whistles, hand-clapping and grinning. Tumult dies down. Assumes conventional atheist position.

CTO: Thank you. This news is quite surprising as it was thought that the outlying areas of a galaxy were relatively barren of stars. M83 is observable in the constellation of Hydra. (Projection of Hydra is shown indicating the position of M83.) Let us now retire to the observatory where we shall see for our selves some of the wonders of the night sky. Mrs. Quimbers will be serving tea and fruitcakes for us to feast on.

Here the tape runs out.

6/12/2009 4:15:16 PM

Thundersqueaks

If you can't see the basic flaw in believing it requires faith to not believe in something that requires faith to believe in, then there's no hope in trying to reason with you.

6/12/2009 4:26:05 PM

LDM

Or maybe I just like sleeping in on Sundays?

6/12/2009 4:28:59 PM

threshold

If your argument were "Don't trust anyone who says he knows the truth/everything" I would agree with you. Unfortunately, your purpose is just to call the kettle black. What makes the bill of goods you're trying to sell me true?

6/12/2009 4:29:08 PM

pete

No gods. No scripture. No churches. No dogma. No agenda. No hierarchy. No priests.

It takes a profoundly stupid person to assert that atheism is a religion.

6/12/2009 4:40:18 PM

John

All our arguments mean nothing to the atheist

On the contrary, most are quite familiar with them. There are five: the design argument, the cosmological argument, the ontological argument, the moral argument and the argument from religious experience. All of these have been answered - in fact, most of them were answered centuries ago. The average ignorant fundie like MrMann has probably never even heard of the five arguments, much less listened to the counter-arguments.

6/12/2009 4:43:50 PM

Elia

@ pete:

"No gods. No scripture. No churches. No dogma. No agenda. No hierarchy. No priests.

It takes a profoundly stupid person to assert that atheism is a religion."

Quoted for truth.

6/12/2009 4:52:30 PM

Orestes

Holy shit, god tier projection in this one. I am kind of in awe.

6/12/2009 5:15:49 PM

Horsefeathers

"At its core atheism IS a religion."

You're kind of shaky on the whole definition of religion thing, aren't ya?

"It takes faith to take insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no God."

It takes faith to take insufficient evidence and jump to the conclusion that there is no sock stealing leprechaun living in my dryer.

"All our arguments mean nothing to the atheist, not because of any validity or lack thereof: but because we are the heretics in the religion of atheism."

No, you pretty much got it right at the beginning there.

"Atheism cannot support its philosophy with logic, so they must ignore/fabricate faults with all arguments to the contrary."

Support it? It's the default position. You claim there's a god, I say "show me the evidence" you say, "there's tons of it!" but never actually produce any. I, therefor, have no option but to disbelieve you.

"Pride is the sin that is killing the atheist."

Want to start by showing evidence that such a thing as "sin" exists outside some poorly thought out book from the Bronze Age?

"Admitting he may be wrong is a violation of his religion."

You've yet to substantiate that atheism is a religion.

"especially when he considers himself mentally superior to mindless followers of faith."

I calls'em as I sees'em.

When you go babbling on about an invisible man who lives in the clouds and is really, really upset with me for being just like he knew prior to creating me that I would be, and then go on to claim that he tried to fix the problem by impregnating a human woman with himself so that he could be his own sacrifice to himself to appease himself so that he could forgive me for something he did in the first place... well. What do you really expect me to think of you?

"That's why arguments with an atheist always go in a circle."

It doesn't help that you make a claim, I ask for evidence and you just make the same claim, or some variation there of, again without actually providing any evidence.

"An atheist is the most close minded person you will ever meet."

Projection at its finest.

6/12/2009 5:21:14 PM

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