Not only is the Bible not politically correct, it was not politically correct one hundred thirty years ago.
This points to the need for Christians to learn the biblical way of avoiding “problem texts.” This is the way of a priori submission. Christians must recognize that they are under the authority of God, and they may not develop their ideas of what is “right” and “fair” apart from the Word of God. And when the Bible is our only standard of right and wrong, problem texts disappear. This entire issue of slavery is a wonderful issue upon which to practice. Our humanistic and democratic culture regards slavery in itself as a monstrous evil, and it acts as though this were self-evidently true. The Bible permits Christians to own slaves, provided they are treated well. You are a Christian. Whom do you believe?
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"Christians must recognize that they are under the authority of God, and they may not develop their ideas of what is “right” and “fair” apart from the Word of God."
Yes, right, who needs independant, critical thinking when you can turn to the Bible for all your bigotry needs! Now, MM. Wilkins and Wilson, have you pondered why nobody takes you seriously, apart from other inbred and uneducated fools?
Oh, I believe you, Steve and Doug.
Specifically, I believe that you are a couple of mindless bigots, lost in your ancient racist fantasies, and badly in need of a taste of slavery yourselves. Just a week ought to do. I recommend that you be owned by Mike Tyson.
Not only is the Bible not politically correct, it is also not politically relevant. Unless, that is, you're an extremely ancient goat fucker who abides in middle eastern desert regions.
It's all very well you two pontificating Steve and Doug. but where do fundamental cultists get off telling Christians what to do. No human, Christian or otherwise, except for fundies, believe anything you say you pair of dolts. Take a hike zombie heads.
I believe that to deny a human person the right to make of their lives anything they want, regardless of how well they're treated, is wrong.
If you disagree, I would like you to try your hand at being my slave. I'll treat you well. You just won't be able to go out at night, get an education, pursue your interests, pursue your career, use your computer, keep any pets I don't like, vote, have a family except at my permission, and so on, all under the threat of imprisonment, beating, or whatever other disciplinary measures I see as necessary. Yes, stoning is possible if you become too willful. And your children and their children will also have to suffer this indignity without the chance to better their social status. Slave.
13th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
I want to point out that slavery in the Bible was not based on a person's race but on their social status, people mainly becoming slaves due to debts or providing for their families, and that the slavery we refer to today was condemned in the Bible (i.e. ancient Hebrews in Egypt). Biblical slavery and not-so-modern-day slavery are not the same.
I'm an atheist, but I'm not going to let stupidity stand.
@John Galt: Slavery is slavery is slavery is slavery, whether you base it on race, financial status, military superiority or anything else. European enslavement of Africans wasn't necessarily race-based to start with, but it had become politically difficult to enslave fellow Europeans, while Arabs and Berbers were momentarily unified and well-armed. Black Africans were simply the handiest pool of manpower that wasn't organized for mutual defense.
Slavery is still owning people, no matter how you'd like to dress it up - and where the Bible accepts it, in any form, simply demonstrates that the Bible is not a guide to good moral behavior.
Isn´t this rather FSTDT stuff than RSTDT stuff?
And well, he is right, if the bible were our only standard of right and wrong, slavery would/should be allowed (as well as stoning married women for getting raped within a city, forcing single women who were raped to marry their rapists or allowing the stoning of children for disobeying their parents).
Fortunately human sense of right and wrong is far superior compared to the sense of right and wrong shown within the bible
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Our humanistic and democratic culture regards slavery in itself as a monstrous evil, and it acts as though this were self-evidently true. The Bible permits Christians to own slaves, provided they are treated well. You are a Christian. Whom do you believe?
You know...if this weren't from the "southern slavery" blog that would be a good point showing the Bible should not be used as a moral text, but...
@John Galt
So, are you willing to be sold into slavery to bring some extra money to your family?
Do you have any daughters I can buy from you? I'll treat them exactly as the bible says to treat them.
Fuckstick.
#977650, I'm not endorsing any kind of slavery, I was just pointing out the differences between the two. I was studying this in college in one of my classes. The Hebrew Bible uses the word "ebed," which is actually closer to "servant" than "slave," and if the servitude is voluntary (many people in the Bible in fact, chose to be "slaves"), then that's fine by me, as long as the conditions are ethical.
And fuck off, I don't appreciate being insulted. I can handle disagreements, no need for childish name-calling.
Simply put people, slavery is ok when it's done to convert. The niggers were brought to Jesus by the white race. They should appreciate that. Without us they would still be sacrificing chickens to some made up blood thirsty diety. In summary, slavery is only allowed to be done by Christians and only when used as a tool for conversion.
@ Pule Thamex:
You've just grievously insulted zombies everywhere. Fortunately for you, I understand they have a forgiving nature.
Just a couple of small bites should suffice as your penance.
@the Real American Idiot,
Damn that independent thought taking away our slaves! Why can't people mindlessly follow a two-thousand year old book that is continually growing more obsolete?
I don't even know why you losers are advocating slavery in this day and age. It's less necessary now than it ever has been at any point in history (assuming it was ever necessary in the first place).
Sorry, old chum, but civilized people stopped using the Bible as the "only standard of right and wrong" a long time ago, and for very good reason. Accordingly, the rest of your argument falls flat on its ugly face.
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