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From what I understand smallpox wiped out most of them [The Aztecs].

Though, it's rather obvious the conquistadors were largely in it for conquest and not for much else. That being said, things were not fluffy and gentle back then, and any civilization which boasted about its cannibalism and living human sacrifices (84,000 people to dedicate a pyramid?) was obviously dedicated enough to the devil to deserve some retribution.

You don't commit living sacrifices of that many people to demon gods without building up some weighty spiritual heft against you in the heavens.

And generally disease is often seen as divine retribution. People nowadays don't like to hear it, but scripture is full of it, and apparently even the Aztecs viewed it as such.

Shin, Catholic Answers 44 Comments [7/18/2009 8:26:40 AM]
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RavenWood

'Generally,' people see disease as being infected by a virus or bacteria. That's why 'generally' people go to a doctor to be examined and not a priest to be bled.

7/18/2009 8:36:40 AM

Shann

Disease is only seen as divine retribution by those who follow Abrahamic religions. Your dark ages mentality will eventually be the death of you.

7/18/2009 8:42:08 AM

Clown

So, they brought them on themselves, is that the way your world works? Well, newsflash. No matter what customs they had, Aztecs offered hospitality and conquistadors returned the favor with blood, burnings and diseases. And did they realy have to burn all of Aztec libraries?

7/18/2009 8:49:21 AM

Painful

So... how about sacrificing your own son after lying to him? Hmmmm?

7/18/2009 8:55:34 AM

A Friend

It couldn't have been because the Aztecs had never been exposed to smallpox therefore had no immunity to it. Nope, that makes too much sense. It had to be the cosmic boogeyman.

7/18/2009 9:03:30 AM

Thundersqueaks

If that were true, then given the number of people the church has sacrificed to Yahweh, you'd all be dead from some divine biological retribution.

7/18/2009 9:08:31 AM

The FBI is controlling your thoughts via your toaster.

Fine, next time you get a nasty infection don't go to a doctor to try and avoid God's divine retribution against you.




No you say?

7/18/2009 9:09:18 AM

Stardrake

"You don't commit living sacrifices of that many people to demon gods without building up some weighty spiritual heft against you in the heavens."

And the Spanish Inquisitors the conquistadors brought with them were better?

7/18/2009 9:09:55 AM

Ken

Wait... the Aztecs are burning in Hell because they never heard of Jesus until a bunch of disease-ridden brutes came to steal their gold?

7/18/2009 9:24:21 AM

Moondog

Why do good people get sick and die? Don't tell me they're still sinful. That's rationalization. Especially if said good person dies much younger than an evil person.

7/18/2009 9:27:40 AM

Lucilius

So Catholicism has incorporated the doctrine of karma now? I knew you guys were syncretists, what with Christmas and Easter and all, but jeez....

7/18/2009 9:35:01 AM

Aethernaut

"Though, it's rather obvious the conquistadors were largely in it for conquest and not for much else."

Gee, what was your first clue?

7/18/2009 9:46:04 AM

Bill O'R'lyeh

Hey! Know what bone led to The Fall? Original Shin!....


Okay...I apologize...

7/18/2009 9:49:36 AM

Alien Acid

"You don't commit living sacrifices of that many people to demon gods without building up some weighty spiritual heft against you in the heavens."

You believe in Karma, then? PAGAN! TO THE RACK WITH YOU!!!


@Lucilius, #990964

Darn, beaten to it...

7/18/2009 9:54:09 AM

John_in_Oz

Indeed, scripture is full of it.

7/18/2009 9:55:54 AM

Sanity

Up yours God, I'm immune to your divine retribution!

neener neener neener

7/18/2009 9:57:03 AM

aaa

Because stealing gold is all right if the victim is not catholic. Right...

7/18/2009 10:01:05 AM

Pule Thamex

There you are. Proof positive. And if ever Shin catches a disease, it will be a most blatant sign that he has displeased God and possibly has been consorting with the devil.

7/18/2009 10:32:20 AM

werewolf

Considering that it was the Spaniards who introduced smallpox and STDs to the Aztecs and wiped them out, I'd say we know who's the culprit in this story.

And the Aztecs weren't cannibals, sonny.

7/18/2009 10:43:10 AM

Old Viking

The Aztecs were pikers. In the OT God would wipe out 84,000 people if he stubbed his toe.

7/18/2009 12:09:22 PM

BobsOldSocks

"scripture is full of it"

Oh, yes indeedy!

7/18/2009 12:13:46 PM

WMDKitty

Or maybe they'd never been exposed to smallpox (among others), and thus were particularly vulnerable. "Ghawd" has nothing to do with it.

7/18/2009 12:43:18 PM

Swedish Pagan

Conquest often means killing the men, raping the women, and lay waste to everything else. Nothing fluffy and gentle with that, you are absolutely right about that.

That figure of 84000 people is probably grossly overrated, today's experts think that 2000 is a more likely number. Btw, how many people is the US government killing with the Death Sentence each year? How many is the US army killing around the world? What's the difference between human sacrifice and war?

The Vikings did human sacrifice as well, or rather the people coming right after them, they kept bondsmen (practically slaves), which they sacrificed to Thor or Oden from time to time. Doesn't make it more right, or wrong for that matter. Just a case of "we did it in the past, found it to be wrong, stopped doing it, and got more civlized in the process".

7/18/2009 1:11:55 PM

Papabear

"disease is often seen as divine retribution"

Only by the retarded and/or insane.


"scripture is full of it."

Now we agree on something.

7/18/2009 1:46:06 PM

anti-nonsense

Maybe back then, but nowadays most people see disease as a result of bacteria and viruses.

This is why people take medicine when they get sick rather then just sit around and pray. Usually. And guess what, the ones that do just sit around the pray have a much higher chance of dying from a disease.

7/18/2009 2:05:24 PM

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