Also, world population threshold smeshhold, ever crossed this country in a car and seen the teeming masses in iowa? this world can support far more than we dream of. besides bc [birth control] is a new concept in the course of history.... ever think of that?
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Actually, birth control isn't new. We have records of herbs bringing about abortions and preventing pregnancy all the way back to ancient Egypt. Plus, for most of human history, something close to fewer than 50% of pregnancies made it to young adulthood. The world population is now growing like it has never before and an appeal to birth control isn't going to change that fact.
...and he's right, Earth isn't crowded. The shoreline cities are crowded. LA is a poor example from which to make assumptions about the Earth.
Niali:
Idiot, it's not about sheer numbers, and how many people you can cram somewhere. It's about carrying capacity as it relates to food production, pollution, and a mess of other environmental factors. Judging by real terms, the Earth is significantly above its carrying capacity.
You would have to be an ignorant fundie male to think that birth control is a new concept.
I would have said man instead of male, but there are no real men in fundieism.
What a fucking moron. Do you think that the only time we should worry about the world population is when we have to start piling people on top of people? The point isn't how many people can we fit into a particular spot, but how much resources we have to support a certain amount of people. Also, birth control was used by the ancient Greeks and Romans, and if I'm not mistaken (which I might be), the ancient Egyptians as well. Idiot.
Uh, no, contraception is actually very old. It goes back well before the birth of Jeebus one balmy August evening. People used honey, acacia gum, crocadile shit, hell, the call for birth control led to the extinction of one of the most effective contraceptive plants at the time.
Seriously, moron, it's called the internet; try using it to back up your claims before you shoot off your mouth.
See, it's not just the room. Guess what the ultimate limiting factors for human population growth are?
If you guessed "food" and "water," give yourself a gold star.
At the minimum, food takes clean water and land to grow.
We have lots of land. Much of it isn't arable.
We have lots of water. Earth is three-quarters covered in the stuff. Most of it is salt water, and useless for crops. We're rapidly running out of the fresh stuff, and there's still no good way to replace it. We're going to be fighting wars over clean water by the middle of the century.
Growing food on ever-larger scales and purifying water also take energy. Guess what OTHER resource we're running out of? And guess what else we're going to be fighting over in a few decades?
I haven't even touched on the difficulties of housing or closing the "far more than we dream of" that you're referring to. Or do you think that they're all going to live naked in the open air? Do you think that they're going to want to live strictly on a diet of grain, veggies and beans? Because meat and dairy require even more water, land and energy to produce.
In conclusion, you're full of shit.
Of all the issues that face our planet, overpopulation sickens me the most. Even more sickening are the people that insist on having ridiculous amounts of children "for Jesus", despite the effects on the planet. How overpopulated will the planet have to be before people realize that we're screwed?
> [birth control] is a new concept in the course of history
Go back to school. Three thousand years ago Egyptian women used to use crocodile dung for birth control.
I have absolutely no idea if crocodile dung actually works as a spermicide. It seems much more likely that no man would want to have sex with a woman smelling of crocodile dung!
On birth control: BC isn't a "new concept." But some of the stuff they had to use for BC, pre-1900, was pretty dangerous.
On population: The problem isn't the people per se, it's the huge drain on non-renewable resources. Unfortunately the countries with the highest population increase, are the same countries that are least able to handle this drain on their resources.
ever crossed this country in a car and seen the teeming masses in iowa?
And if the world were so overpopulated that masses were teeming in Iowa, where would these masses get their oil from to be able to drive around in cars? And they would want nutrition, electricity, water, ...
Y'know, you cannot pray and hope that oil, grains, water, electric power will appear miraculously. The same applies to all other scarce resources.
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