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[I included the whole article because you need to read the thing in context. But if you get the chance, do read the comments. They are also FSTDT-worthy material.)

Let's just say, you know for a fact that eating children is wrong. A great number of people believe as you do and we all acknowledge it in unity. Then there is a website that says that eating babies is fine that you don't need to "buy into it" and believe that eating babies is wrong. There is a couple of blogs that talk all day how liberating and fantastic eating children are. Now whoever listens to them think they are crazy and very wrong but a few listen to the intellect behind the reasoning, they listen to the argument. Let's say the argument says it's natural for many animals eat their young in nature, and people are just a part of the natural process or something like that. Some people buy into it and start doing it.

You struggle everyday as to why people think like that, they all must be crazy, what do they know that you don't? This goes on and on but after a while you get curious. You then start to go around thinking why you don't get to eat babies as others do and how some people demand that you don't, like your parents. Then one day you get an opportunity to do it but everything in your soul KNOWS it is wrong. You shake at the thought of eating that very young child. It's agonizing to you for quite a while, you cuss at yourself for having such insane thoughts!

One day you see a little 5 year old at some playground and you convince yourself that you have to know what it's like. You seize the moment and kidnap the child. You keep that child tied up for days agonizing whether you should do it or not. You almost feel yourself slipping away into insanity to the point you can't take it. So you get the nerve somehow, and do it. Then afterwords you say to yourself that it was too quick that you need to try it again to see if the feelings you had during were genuine. So flash ahead a month and you have done it many times and you now frequent places that do it and go online to websites that also do it and you feel a sense of a warm community. You struggle with the nightmares until they pass and you feel OK. You embrace the fact that you are now a baby eater and you and your new friends are OK with it. The struggle get's a little easier to accept the notion that eating babies is fine for the natural process. You teach you own kids that it is perfectly natural to eat babies. You start your own website that is called "Eat babies!" and you showcase your work.

Is this what an atheist goes through when they start to not believe in God? The stories of struggles, that I have heard, turning away from God are similar to this scenario. Many authors talk about the struggle they go through from belief to non belief. The agonizing pain it causes themselves as well as their families. Could atheists talk themselves into anything? The methodical erosion of ones values and morals can be so damaging, to the point that it's acceptable that"Atheists eat babies."

An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong: but when asked why, they will not have a final reason or authority to which they can appeal.

Dan, Debunking Atheists 257 Comments [5/21/2010 9:52:01 AM]
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#1159755
Dr. Razark

If the only thing keeping you from a bloody rampage of murder, rape, and baby-eating is god, please keep going to church.

The rest of us would appreciate it.

5/21/2010 1:28:45 PM

#1159757
WWWWolf

> Let's just say, you know for a fact that eating children is wrong.

"Straw-man argument" is to "straw-baby argument" like "beating a dead horse" is to "pounding, with the fury of a thousand suns, a patch of dirt where a bloodied corpse of a horse used to be a decade ago".

5/21/2010 1:30:22 PM

#1159760
Old Viking

Forsaking religion was the most joyful decision of my long life.

5/21/2010 1:39:05 PM

#1159764
Granny Cuyler

When Jesus was president he ate babies all the time.

5/21/2010 1:48:40 PM

#1159767
Swede

Yeah, apart from the fact that being an atheist hurts no-one else, concerns no-one else, but me.

All I know is "I find no evidence for the existence of any gods". Period.

Murder and rape ARE wrong! The reason for that: they hurt other human beings. I would not want to be murdered or raped, therefore I refrain from murdering and raping. End of fucking story!

5/21/2010 2:00:18 PM

#1159769
Godbuster

Fucker! Who's religion symbolically eats the flesh of their savior, huurrRRRRRRRRRMMM?

The whole problem that you people fail to see is that in the past as of now, atheists were never allowed to hold too much power, meaning all the shit we're experiencing now is the fault of the status quo, to which christianity belongs.

What I'm trying to say is: The Downfall of society is your fault, not the ones you never let into power and constantly attack and belittle. It's like saying the gays are ruining marriage. Gays aren't allowed to get married, so how does that argument even count?

5/21/2010 2:10:31 PM

#1159772
speccy4i

OK, I think I know what this guy's point is.

Problem is, the difference between not believing in God and eating babies is that eating babies violates the golden rule; don't do anything to anyone that you wouldn't want done to yourself.

Either he's to stupid to know the difference or he's using an extreme example to play on people's (correct) assumption that eating babies is wrong.

5/21/2010 2:29:48 PM

#1159774
Anemone

Dan, I really didn't need to know about your sick fantasies. Morality is not a Biblical invention, there were other moral codes before the Bible was written. As for an atheist's morality, I use the Golden Rule,"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

5/21/2010 2:36:23 PM

#1159775
Giveitaday

An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong

And that alone if proof that morality is not the exclusive providence of the religious.

but when asked why

Have you ever bothered to ask why? Or have you just answered the question yourself and decided that your pre-conceived opinion is the only answer?

they will not have a final reason

Simple... I, like most people, don't want to be raped or murdered and thusly we choose to form a society with like minded people and place proscriptions on acts we find mutually abhorrent.

or authority to which they can appeal

Why does there have to been an authority to appeal to? Your whole argument hinges on your unproven assertion that a cooperative human society is incapable of crafting a code of morality on it's own and therefore must be handed down from on high by an invisible magic man.

5/21/2010 2:39:29 PM

#1159776


Wow Dan...empathy is lost on you.

5/21/2010 2:40:20 PM

#1159777
Zeus Almighty

Let's just say, you know for a fact that having sex with your father is wrong. A great number of people believe as you do and we all acknowledge it in unity. Then there is an ancient book, maybe written by Middle Eastern goat herders, that says getting your father drunk and having sex with him is allowed after your mother has been turned into a pillar of salt. There are a couple of men who speak in front of large groups of people on Sundays and they talk recount this story of father rape. Now whoever listens to them think they are crazy and very wrong but a few listen to the intellect behind the reason, they listen to the argument. ...

You were saying, Dan?



5/21/2010 2:43:59 PM

#1159778
Reverend Jeremiah

LOOK MAN...YOU JUST DONT KNOW HOW ADDICTIVE THOSE TASTY BABIES ARE!!!

*serious note* I got a "pedo" vibe off of this fundy while reading it.

5/21/2010 2:49:43 PM

#1159781
Skyknight

And, what final reason would God appeal to, in this scenario, as to why he interdicted it? (We're assuming that the chain of authority isn't infinite) And whatever the answer is, why couldn't a human, whether theist, apatheist, or atheist, come up with it themselves?

I doubt even Mephistopheles was this much of a misanthrope...

5/21/2010 2:54:40 PM

#1159783
meraude

vile.

5/21/2010 3:26:35 PM

#1159785
LDM

What kind of a sick fuck are you? Get some professional help. Seriously.

5/21/2010 3:31:35 PM

#1159795
the old firm

This really creeps me out.

5/21/2010 4:01:18 PM

#1159800
Murdin

Most people I know, whether altruistic or selfish, intelligent or dumb, religious or atheist, have a moral system that goes beyond "do what you were said is right by society/some old book/the voices in your head, don't do what you were said is wrong". It almost always involves attributing an inalienable value to the existence of every fellow human being. From there usually follows some variant of the "golden rule" of reciprocity.

5/21/2010 4:36:08 PM

#1159802
Percy Q. Shunn

lolwut?

5/21/2010 4:44:49 PM

#1159804
Lithp

What exactly did this debunk again?

5/21/2010 4:57:55 PM

#1159807
Scooby71

Down in the comments he goes off on a "No True" Christian tangent when someone challenges him.

"The Roman Catholic Church is no longer representing true Christianity. Baptist teaches things that are contrary to Biblical teachings also, (believe only) but that doesn't mean there are not any people truly saved in the Baptist church. "

He also doesn't like Lutherans.


5/21/2010 5:23:08 PM

#1159808
Scooby71

And there I was thinking that the "Baby Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells" was a man of god.

5/21/2010 5:24:50 PM

#1159816
The Jamo

So what you're essentially saying is that not acknowledging some made-up ghost who lives in the sky is like killing a sentient being and eating it.

Are you fucking serious? If you are then you are exhibit number one in how religion melts the brain and truly erodes your sense of values.

Go fuck yourself.

5/21/2010 6:03:51 PM

#1159818
GodotIsWaiting4U

There's a better answer to the matter. Eating babies is harmful to society. If it was done on a large scale, humanity would die out (and of course the capitalists would take over the industry and force women to pump out babies as quickly as possible, but that's a matter for another time).

Also, I think you've thought this through a little TOO much. You may be a danger to children.

In addition, I'm an atheist and I left religion behind rather easily. Went through a few steps, but nothing like what you're suggesting, and I wasn't ashamed of it at all. Your stories are probably bullshit. And btw, NOT BELIEVING IN DEITIES IS NOT EQUIVALENT TO EATING BABIES, YOU FUCKTARD.

5/21/2010 6:28:03 PM

#1159822
gaijinlaw

Y'know what I noticed Dan? Apart from argumenta ad populum et verecundium, you don't actually offer any evidence that eating children is wrong. 'Fess up. You don't know why, do you?

Sociopath.

5/21/2010 6:35:17 PM

#1159823
andrewf

hahahhahahha this is so insanly stupid...

5/21/2010 6:39:48 PM
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