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If the only thing keeping you from a bloody rampage of murder, rape, and baby-eating is god, please keep going to church.
The rest of us would appreciate it.
5/21/2010 1:28:45 PM
> Let's just say, you know for a fact that eating children is wrong.
"Straw-man argument" is to "straw-baby argument" like "beating a dead horse" is to "pounding, with the fury of a thousand suns, a patch of dirt where a bloodied corpse of a horse used to be a decade ago".
5/21/2010 1:30:22 PM
Forsaking religion was the most joyful decision of my long life.
5/21/2010 1:39:05 PM
When Jesus was president he ate babies all the time.
5/21/2010 1:48:40 PM
Yeah, apart from the fact that being an atheist hurts no-one else, concerns no-one else, but me.
All I know is "I find no evidence for the existence of any gods". Period.
Murder and rape ARE wrong! The reason for that: they hurt other human beings. I would not want to be murdered or raped, therefore I refrain from murdering and raping. End of fucking story!
5/21/2010 2:00:18 PM
Fucker! Who's religion symbolically eats the flesh of their savior, huurrRRRRRRRRRMMM?
The whole problem that you people fail to see is that in the past as of now, atheists were never allowed to hold too much power, meaning all the shit we're experiencing now is the fault of the status quo, to which christianity belongs.
What I'm trying to say is: The Downfall of society is your fault, not the ones you never let into power and constantly attack and belittle. It's like saying the gays are ruining marriage. Gays aren't allowed to get married, so how does that argument even count?
5/21/2010 2:10:31 PM
OK, I think I know what this guy's point is.
Problem is, the difference between not believing in God and eating babies is that eating babies violates the golden rule; don't do anything to anyone that you wouldn't want done to yourself.
Either he's to stupid to know the difference or he's using an extreme example to play on people's (correct) assumption that eating babies is wrong.
5/21/2010 2:29:48 PM
Dan, I really didn't need to know about your sick fantasies. Morality is not a Biblical invention, there were other moral codes before the Bible was written. As for an atheist's morality, I use the Golden Rule,"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
5/21/2010 2:36:23 PM
An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong
And that alone if proof that morality is not the exclusive providence of the religious.
but when asked why
Have you ever bothered to ask why? Or have you just answered the question yourself and decided that your pre-conceived opinion is the only answer?
they will not have a final reason
Simple... I, like most people, don't want to be raped or murdered and thusly we choose to form a society with like minded people and place proscriptions on acts we find mutually abhorrent.
or authority to which they can appeal
Why does there have to been an authority to appeal to? Your whole argument hinges on your unproven assertion that a cooperative human society is incapable of crafting a code of morality on it's own and therefore must be handed down from on high by an invisible magic man.
5/21/2010 2:39:29 PM
Wow Dan...empathy is lost on you.
5/21/2010 2:40:20 PM
Let's just say, you know for a fact that having sex with your father is wrong. A great number of people believe as you do and we all acknowledge it in unity. Then there is an ancient book, maybe written by Middle Eastern goat herders, that says getting your father drunk and having sex with him is allowed after your mother has been turned into a pillar of salt. There are a couple of men who speak in front of large groups of people on Sundays and they talk recount this story of father rape. Now whoever listens to them think they are crazy and very wrong but a few listen to the intellect behind the reason, they listen to the argument. ...
You were saying, Dan?
5/21/2010 2:43:59 PM
LOOK MAN...YOU JUST DONT KNOW HOW ADDICTIVE THOSE TASTY BABIES ARE!!!
*serious note* I got a "pedo" vibe off of this fundy while reading it.
5/21/2010 2:49:43 PM
And, what final reason would God appeal to, in this scenario, as to why he interdicted it? (We're assuming that the chain of authority isn't infinite) And whatever the answer is, why couldn't a human, whether theist, apatheist, or atheist, come up with it themselves?
I doubt even Mephistopheles was this much of a misanthrope...
5/21/2010 2:54:40 PM
5/21/2010 3:26:35 PM
What kind of a sick fuck are you? Get some professional help. Seriously.
5/21/2010 3:31:35 PM
the old firm
This really creeps me out.
5/21/2010 4:01:18 PM
Most people I know, whether altruistic or selfish, intelligent or dumb, religious or atheist, have a moral system that goes beyond "do what you were said is right by society/some old book/the voices in your head, don't do what you were said is wrong". It almost always involves attributing an inalienable value to the existence of every fellow human being. From there usually follows some variant of the "golden rule" of reciprocity.
5/21/2010 4:36:08 PM
Percy Q. Shunn
5/21/2010 4:44:49 PM
What exactly did this debunk again?
5/21/2010 4:57:55 PM
Down in the comments he goes off on a "No True" Christian tangent when someone challenges him.
"The Roman Catholic Church is no longer representing true Christianity. Baptist teaches things that are contrary to Biblical teachings also, (believe only) but that doesn't mean there are not any people truly saved in the Baptist church. "
He also doesn't like Lutherans.
5/21/2010 5:23:08 PM
And there I was thinking that the "Baby Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells" was a man of god.
5/21/2010 5:24:50 PM
So what you're essentially saying is that not acknowledging some made-up ghost who lives in the sky is like killing a sentient being and eating it.
Are you fucking serious? If you are then you are exhibit number one in how religion melts the brain and truly erodes your sense of values.
Go fuck yourself.
5/21/2010 6:03:51 PM
There's a better answer to the matter. Eating babies is harmful to society. If it was done on a large scale, humanity would die out (and of course the capitalists would take over the industry and force women to pump out babies as quickly as possible, but that's a matter for another time).
Also, I think you've thought this through a little TOO much. You may be a danger to children.
In addition, I'm an atheist and I left religion behind rather easily. Went through a few steps, but nothing like what you're suggesting, and I wasn't ashamed of it at all. Your stories are probably bullshit. And btw, NOT BELIEVING IN DEITIES IS NOT EQUIVALENT TO EATING BABIES, YOU FUCKTARD.
5/21/2010 6:28:03 PM
Y'know what I noticed Dan? Apart from argumenta ad populum et verecundium, you don't actually offer any evidence that eating children is wrong. 'Fess up. You don't know why, do you?
5/21/2010 6:35:17 PM
hahahhahahha this is so insanly stupid...
5/21/2010 6:39:48 PM
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