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[I included the whole article because you need to read the thing in context. But if you get the chance, do read the comments. They are also FSTDT-worthy material.)

Let's just say, you know for a fact that eating children is wrong. A great number of people believe as you do and we all acknowledge it in unity. Then there is a website that says that eating babies is fine that you don't need to "buy into it" and believe that eating babies is wrong. There is a couple of blogs that talk all day how liberating and fantastic eating children are. Now whoever listens to them think they are crazy and very wrong but a few listen to the intellect behind the reasoning, they listen to the argument. Let's say the argument says it's natural for many animals eat their young in nature, and people are just a part of the natural process or something like that. Some people buy into it and start doing it.

You struggle everyday as to why people think like that, they all must be crazy, what do they know that you don't? This goes on and on but after a while you get curious. You then start to go around thinking why you don't get to eat babies as others do and how some people demand that you don't, like your parents. Then one day you get an opportunity to do it but everything in your soul KNOWS it is wrong. You shake at the thought of eating that very young child. It's agonizing to you for quite a while, you cuss at yourself for having such insane thoughts!

One day you see a little 5 year old at some playground and you convince yourself that you have to know what it's like. You seize the moment and kidnap the child. You keep that child tied up for days agonizing whether you should do it or not. You almost feel yourself slipping away into insanity to the point you can't take it. So you get the nerve somehow, and do it. Then afterwords you say to yourself that it was too quick that you need to try it again to see if the feelings you had during were genuine. So flash ahead a month and you have done it many times and you now frequent places that do it and go online to websites that also do it and you feel a sense of a warm community. You struggle with the nightmares until they pass and you feel OK. You embrace the fact that you are now a baby eater and you and your new friends are OK with it. The struggle get's a little easier to accept the notion that eating babies is fine for the natural process. You teach you own kids that it is perfectly natural to eat babies. You start your own website that is called "Eat babies!" and you showcase your work.

Is this what an atheist goes through when they start to not believe in God? The stories of struggles, that I have heard, turning away from God are similar to this scenario. Many authors talk about the struggle they go through from belief to non belief. The agonizing pain it causes themselves as well as their families. Could atheists talk themselves into anything? The methodical erosion of ones values and morals can be so damaging, to the point that it's acceptable that"Atheists eat babies."

An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong: but when asked why, they will not have a final reason or authority to which they can appeal.

Dan, Debunking Atheists 257 Comments [5/21/2010 9:52:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Mira
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#1160133
Angua

@ Thrutch:

Yeah, so maybe God's okay with child sacrifice, incest, rape, and genocide. But after Jephthah sacrificed his daughter to God he didn't eat her did he? In those towns the Israelites ended up slaughtering everyone they didn't eat the dead babies did they?

See, there's a clear moral standard here. Killing people is just fine. It's just eating them after their dead that's wrong.

God at least draws the line somewhere. (OK, after you've already killed them, it might not matter all that much exactly what you do with the bodies, except for respecting the dead person's wishes -- except by killing them in the first place you've already stopped respecting their wishes altogether.) It may be the most completely arbitrary line ever, but at least he draws the line at cannibalism. (I think. But, then again, is cannibalism actually, explicitly forbidden in the Bible?)

killing people = just fine
eating the people you killed = evil beyond all degrees of imagination

5/23/2010 11:28:51 AM

#1160134
Dan +†+

They love me, they really, really, love me.

5/23/2010 11:39:19 AM

#1160136
Dan +†+

From #1159672
>>Big Jilm

>>The fact that you need to be instructed that rape and murder is wrong reveals just what a sick bastard you really are.

>>Morality is a learned behavior, ass-hat. It's not moral because it was just decided by some authority figure alone.

Yea, he 'learned' first hand that rape is wrong as he is doing time in a facility that made him the prom queen last week

5/23/2010 11:50:50 AM

#1160141
Dan +†+

Bwahahahahahha

Look at the link towards the end where it says:

to the point that it's acceptable that"Atheists eat babies."

The "Atheists eat babies." link at the bottom went to http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=47904&start=0 that said the same thing as I did. That Atheists eat babies.

I noticed he has since changed his forum location, maybe because of little ol me.

5/23/2010 12:18:30 PM

#1160145
Angua

@Dan:

1.) I disagree that all morality is learned as well. Human beings are a social species. We need to cooperate in order to survive. Any human being who acts completely selfishly and hurts others is going to be shunned by others because he or she brings down the group. Since humans are basically pack animals, any person who is shunned is less likely to survive. The basic driving principle behind morality is empathy, and all humans have that (with the exception of psychopaths). But some morality is learned. This is why different things are considered to be either acceptable or unacceptable in different cultures and at different periods in history. (Do you really find everything written in your Bible morally acceptable by your own, modern standard?) People don't need the Bible, or a God, or the threat of Hell to tell the difference between right and wrong. Do you really think abandoning your own sense of right and wrong to do whatever any figure of authority wants to do is really a good idea? If I can judge certain actions taken by God in the Bible as immoral, then that God clearly does not dictate all of morality.


5/23/2010 1:13:47 PM

#1160146
Angua

@ Dan:
2.) The link doesn't work anymore, true, but I'm pretty sure it's not because of you. Most old links for that site don't work anymore. I think that they redid the site (or at least the forums) recently. (Then again, I don't post on Dawkins' website, so I wouldn't be certain. I'm pretty sure that you can find someone here who does though. If not here, somewhere on the internet certainly.) And, in case you missed it, atheists will say things like "atheists eat babies" in order to mock the perceptions of people like you who think that atheists are completely depraved and immoral. Not because atheists actually eat babies or find such behavior acceptable.

5/23/2010 1:14:59 PM

#1160185
ariewillow

I also expected this to be an anti gay rant, being a rebuttal of the argument from nature and all.

The problem with applying this to Atheism would be the lack of Atheist squirrels. Or any other self professed atheists in the animal kingdom.

5/23/2010 5:53:45 PM

#1160186


Want a good reason why murder and rape are wrong without bringing in any religion whatsoever? They harm others. Humans tend to naturally empathize since being sociable has proven to work out very well for us. Things that upset that social climate (eg- murder and rape) tend to be seen as threats.

5/23/2010 5:54:13 PM

#1160266
MPW

Fundie in a nutshell award?

This person apparently sees no way to rationally and thoughtfully distinguish between right and wrong actions. Morals are just a matter of following authority to him.

5/23/2010 8:26:58 PM

#1160292
Alexis

Since baby-eating is apparently en vogue in atheist circles, has anyone gotten around to calculate the calories one would consume on a single serving of a baby? And the CO2 output in preparations of said baby dish?

I know it's not nice to say such things, but can someone PLEASE get these people off my planet?

5/23/2010 10:06:33 PM

#1160399


Methinks someone got confused about the eating babbies joke.

5/24/2010 7:59:30 AM

#1160406
toth

THEY'RE ONTO US!! CODE RED!!!!

5/24/2010 8:39:29 AM

#1160426


"Is this what an atheist goes through when they start to not believe in God?"

Em, no.

5/24/2010 10:44:44 AM

#1160437
Mister Spak

This is why fundies should all be put on an island somewhere to protect decent people.

5/24/2010 10:59:45 AM

#1160523
pretty puppy

WOw...and quite a few of them believe this, quite a few of them really do. Anyone who is atheist and/or LGBTQ is on the same level as a murderer, rapist, killer. And people of other religions are little better to them (for most of them Muslims are on the same level as atheists).

Also, why the obsession with pedophilia, bestiality and murder? WTF? It creeps me out to think they may secretly want to do things like that.

5/24/2010 8:25:47 PM

#1160527
pretty puppy

"An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong: but when asked why, they will not have a final reason or authority to which they can appeal."

Also, I think some of them believe this because they have no respect for bodily autonomy to begin with.
They oppose abortion access, reproductive and sexual health education, same-sex marriage, some of them even oppose allowing no-fault divorce, some think that women who dress a certain way or leave the house deserve to be harassed/shamed, think that sex and gender discrimination is okay, etc.

No wonder they don't believe that people can respect bodily autonomy and not believing in exerting control over others.



"Reckoner

Let's just say, you know for a fact that eating children is wrong...

*facepalm* When you start a paragraph out like that I know whatever follows will be mind-numbingly inane. "
Crap, just noticed that. Are they suggesting that eating children being wrong may be up for debate?

5/24/2010 8:36:08 PM

#1160614
Princess Rot

I don't cannabilize children because I'm not a fucking sociopath who needs belief in an invisible deity to prevent me from going postal on some poor innocent.

5/25/2010 6:22:07 AM

#1160619
Anon-e-moose



I EAT BABIES!

I want my baby-back, baby-back, baby-back, baby-back, baby-back... ribs. I want my baby-back, baby-back, baby-back, baby-back, baby-back... ribs.

Chili... baby-back ribs!

PROTIP: The films "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me" & "Austin Powers in Goldmember" are not documentaries.

5/25/2010 6:38:18 AM

#1160839
SaraDreaming

Lovely essay, but your opinions are rubbish
Now, let me tell you the truth because reading through the comments you've just ticked everyone off like major time! And me too, but you need to understand why what you've written is so wrong.
Your idea of how sinister atheists can become is appalling, mostly because you mean that the atrocious act of killing and eating children can only be done by us. You've forgotten that humans are weak to peer pressure and that all of your morals and rules are really just the people around you, your God, bible and priest, parents, friends, who are influencing You. If Oprah says wear red on Monday people will wear red, because she has charisma. Having strong moral standards, deviant to killing and eating children, will make you harder to convert than if your friends, parents, heroes think it's cool.
EX:Hanging out with a bad crowd makes you susceptive to bad habits. If you're a church kid you don't smoke, drink or whatever because, well, no one has been exposed to those things; because your parents, relatives, neighborhood do in turn not indulge in such events, see the ripple effect?
So answering your question:
No I would not refer to a greater force, or authority because I don't believe in God. I will not be dictated by a book, yet had my parents been religious and my friends who knows what my beliefs would have been?
Nevertheless I will not kill children even if Oprah talks about it, I have a final reason, maybe you’ve heard of it, a gut feeling, telling me it's wrong. I trust in myself, not in the bible and its terms.

5/25/2010 12:50:10 PM

#1160862
Itkovian

And really, the analogy is wrong.

In reality, when I was younger I didn't think atheism was wrong or evil. I didn't agree with it, but I started out thinking that there was something wrong with Catholicism, teachings that made no sense. Things like Genesis, or the idea that god would condemn people to eternal torment. These feelings in time developed into doubts, which made me inquire into things further, which kept going until I found myself to be an atheist.

So, using the OP's analogy, it is more a question of feeling that there was something wrong with the doctrine of not eating babies. That maybe it wasn't wrong and there was something to it.

But he's saying the reverse. That atheists start knowing its wrong and somehow get curious and find that they went too far and cna't go back...

Or something. Either way there's a few logic fails in there. :)

5/25/2010 1:54:48 PM

#1161477
DevilsChaplain


5/26/2010 10:59:50 AM

#1161568
Mira

... Holy crap. 205. I never thought it would even get that high. @_@

5/26/2010 1:55:59 PM

#1162003


The same can be said about any religion including Christianity, specially when they disobey the laws they're supposed to follow.

5/28/2010 1:14:29 AM

#1162274
Crazy Atheist

Holy jalapeno! I finished when you said, "So you get the nerve somehow, and do it." You are really good and should do more!

5/28/2010 11:29:31 PM

#1162367
Isa

"There is a couple of blogs that talk all day how liberating and fantastic eating children are."

ARE a couple of blogs. Eating children IS. Learn2grammar, dicksmack.

"An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong: but when asked why, they will not have a final reason or authority to which they can appeal."

I'd say "not wanting to see your fellow man affected in that way" is reason enough to believe it's wrong.

5/29/2010 9:21:48 AM
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