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We have feminized the Medal of Honor.

According to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one.

Gen. George Patton once famously said, "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his."

When we think of heroism in battle, we used the think of our boys storming the beaches of Normandy under withering fire, climbing the cliffs of Pointe do Hoc while enemy soldiers fired straight down on them, and tossing grenades into pill boxes to take out gun emplacements.

That kind of heroism has apparently become passe when it comes to awarding the Medal of Honor. We now award it only for preventing casualties, not for inflicting them.

So the question is this: when are we going to start awarding the Medal of Honor once again for soldiers who kill people and break things so our families can sleep safely at night?

I would suggest our culture has become so feminized that we have become squeamish at the thought of the valor that is expressed in killing enemy soldiers through acts of bravery. We know instinctively that we should honor courage, but shy away from honoring courage if it results in the taking of life rather than in just the saving of life. So we find it safe to honor those who throw themselves on a grenade to save their buddies.

Jesus, in words often cited in ceremonies such as the one which will take place this afternoon, said, “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends” (John 15:13). So it is entirely right that we honor this kind of bravery and self-sacrifice, which is surely an imitation of the Lord of Lord and King of Kings.

However, Jesus’ act of self-sacrifice would ultimately have been meaningless - yes, meaningless - if he had not inflicted a mortal wound on the enemy while giving up his own life.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 107 Comments [11/23/2010 4:57:04 AM]
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LDM

Yes, heaven forbid should we see those on the other side of our guns as human beings.

11/23/2010 5:04:05 AM

C_V


so, killing other people is better than saving another life?

Jesus would like a word with you.

11/23/2010 5:05:27 AM

Alcari

"Giunta stepped into the line of fire to pull a wounded soldier back to safety, and then engaged two insurgents who were carrying away another wounded soldier, killing one and wounding the other. Thanks to his heroics, both soldiers were pulled to safety on the Afghanistan battlefield that day. President Barack Obama awarded the medal to Giunta at a ceremony in the White House."

You were saying?

Also, shouldn't he have turned the other cheek?

11/23/2010 5:09:27 AM

StoneSpiral

You know, I'm not a military person, but I always felt the storming of Normandy was a poor tactical choice. But that aside, I think this guy is missing the point of things like 'valor' and 'honor' to a degree that actually scares me a little.

11/23/2010 5:09:54 AM

Freethinker


every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one


Who's the greater hero? One guns-ablazing, hot lead spraying moron like some Rambo? Or someone who, in the face of true danger, keeps his/her wits to not only keep himself alive, but manages to get his buddy out of the danger zone as well?
I'm out of the military for some time now, but i know for sure, that when i'm on the front line, knowing my buddy next to me has been rewarded for that kind of valor i'll stand a hell of a better chance of dying in my bed at old age, instead of on some godforsaken mountain.

11/23/2010 5:21:49 AM

shykid

Methinks Bryan has some masculinity issues.

He also doesn't quite grok what this Jesus fella was all about.

11/23/2010 5:28:14 AM

Amnestic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss

If this Medal of Honor recipient is "feminine" then give me my skirt and call me Shirley.

11/23/2010 5:45:52 AM

nutbunny

"every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one"

You have a problem with saving life when it prevents killing and destruction?

You have no honor.You are FUBAR

11/23/2010 5:48:48 AM

Thrutch

I think that surviving MoH and VC recipients should show the world what Bill McGurn of the WSJ sounds like as he whimpers for mercy. Of course, most such heroes are more humane (and small "c" christian) than Mr McGurn could ever be.

11/23/2010 5:58:52 AM

jsonitsac

Perhaps you should actually take your time and read a few of these: http://www.history.army.mil/moh.html

11/23/2010 6:06:55 AM

rallymodeller

Um, that's what the Medal of Honor is for, idiot. Personal heroism in saving lives in the face of enemy fire and likely death. The recipient's kill count doesn't matter.

And no, your Jesus would not have been eligible for it.

11/23/2010 6:10:32 AM

WWWWolf

> Gen. George Patton once famously said, "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his."

Ooh, fancy quotes. I have older quotes, so I win!

Have you heard of the famous Latin phrase - "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"? "It is sweet and glorious to die for one's country"?

The guy who said that threw down his sword and shield and ran like hell. You see, he was smart enough to know that it's not just enough to die for your country. Tactically speaking, it's often far better to survive, so that you can die for your country another day. Death, in itself, is worthless. Doing something remarkable has value.

11/23/2010 6:12:03 AM



As my father was awarded the Canadian equivalent during a tour in Bosnia for saving the lives of 6 of his squad, I can only say, with searing anger, fuck you.

11/23/2010 6:16:30 AM

Dark_Lord_Prime

"Jesus, in words often cited in ceremonies such as the one which will take place this afternoon, said, 'Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends' (John 15:13)."

And what part of that says, "go forth and claim much honor by laying waste to your fellow man and everything around him," to you?


Fuckin' psycho.

11/23/2010 6:20:37 AM

Canadiest

All beach raids were the only way the allies could shut the defenses down, they (high command) knew loses would be huge and many going in knew the odds were stacked against them. Sacrifice ploy, as were many rushs on the enemy in every war, valor medals all around is literally the least they could do.

Had long range weapons been stronger and/or more accurate thousands more would have survived

What mortal wound did Jesus inflict on his 'enemy'? Guilt?

11/23/2010 6:36:57 AM

Doubting Thomas

Yes, let's celebrate the killing of other human beings. The CMH has often been awarded to soldiers who have saved the lives of others.

11/23/2010 6:41:07 AM

Tempus

That kind of heroism has apparently become passe when it comes to awarding the Medal of Honor. We now award it only for preventing casualties, not for inflicting them.

I smell a chickenhawk.


11/23/2010 6:45:04 AM

Mister Spak

This is why we lost the Iraq war. We didn't exterminate 30 million people. If we had done that we would not be leaving in disgrace, and we would have the oil too.

It's the same mistake Hitler made. If he had killed 7 million jews he would have won the war.

11/23/2010 6:48:49 AM

aaa

I don't think you understand warfare.

11/23/2010 7:00:07 AM

Doctor Whom

You don't know much about either the issues at hand or your own holy book, do you?

11/23/2010 7:02:49 AM

navelgazer

You made little 8 lb 6 oz baby Jesus cry.

11/23/2010 7:03:35 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Hey, here is an idea...why don't we stop fighting meaningless and stupid wars? I'm all for giving out no Medals of Honor.

11/23/2010 7:05:37 AM

EMT420

Keep talking, fundies. The more of this ghoulish trash you spit out, the more your true colors show.

11/23/2010 7:32:01 AM

Power Skunk

Considering the not insignificant number of Medal of Honor recipients since WW2 that have received their awards posthumously, I think that this jackhole really has no idea what he's talking about.

11/23/2010 7:41:29 AM

Brendan Rizzo

This guy obviously has never watched any action movies. They gross so high at the box office that I highly doubt that society has been "squeamish" or "feminized." Even then, celebrating death and killing is not right. There would be no grounds for awarding anyone a Medal of Honor except for saving the lives of their fellow soldiers. Sometimes in order to save your own soldiers you have to kill the enemy, but saving lives is always involved.

One last thing, which I think illustrates what goes on in Fischer's head:

However, Jesus’ act of self-sacrifice would ultimately have been meaningless - yes, meaningless - if he had not inflicted a mortal wound on the enemy while giving up his own life.

When did Jesus ever inflict a mortal wound on anyone? Is this guy so disturbed that he has to make Bible stories up to justify his bloodlust? Please tell me he's in a padded cell...

11/23/2010 7:55:10 AM
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