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We have feminized the Medal of Honor.

According to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one.

Gen. George Patton once famously said, "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his."

When we think of heroism in battle, we used the think of our boys storming the beaches of Normandy under withering fire, climbing the cliffs of Pointe do Hoc while enemy soldiers fired straight down on them, and tossing grenades into pill boxes to take out gun emplacements.

That kind of heroism has apparently become passe when it comes to awarding the Medal of Honor. We now award it only for preventing casualties, not for inflicting them.

So the question is this: when are we going to start awarding the Medal of Honor once again for soldiers who kill people and break things so our families can sleep safely at night?

I would suggest our culture has become so feminized that we have become squeamish at the thought of the valor that is expressed in killing enemy soldiers through acts of bravery. We know instinctively that we should honor courage, but shy away from honoring courage if it results in the taking of life rather than in just the saving of life. So we find it safe to honor those who throw themselves on a grenade to save their buddies.

Jesus, in words often cited in ceremonies such as the one which will take place this afternoon, said, “Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends” (John 15:13). So it is entirely right that we honor this kind of bravery and self-sacrifice, which is surely an imitation of the Lord of Lord and King of Kings.

However, Jesus’ act of self-sacrifice would ultimately have been meaningless - yes, meaningless - if he had not inflicted a mortal wound on the enemy while giving up his own life.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 107 Comments [11/23/2010 4:57:04 AM]
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Amadaun

Thing is, Bryan, not only does the modern enemy not have pillboxes, it doesn't actually do us any good to kill them. Killing them is bad for us. It leads to more people who want to kill us. Killing guys not actively, right now attempting to kill you is a terrible, terrible idea, and the current enemy does not offer themselves up for the slaughtering.

So killing the enemy is not, currently, a heroic action unless you're, say, throwing yourself into the line of fire to snipe the guy about to blow away a platoon--in which case, we're back to saving lives. Dumbass.

What does he think 'medal for saving lives' even means? That it's necessarily non-military? Apparently he does think it's necessarily non-aggressive. How stupid is he?

No, I know: stupid enough to think that "soldiers who kill people and break things" is a positive description, and that it automatically does a lot to help our families "sleep safely at night."

Also, my first thought for the Jesus thing was that it was a really weird interpretation of the Harrowing of Hell (which is very possibly the coolest thing Jesus is ever supposed to have done, right up there with walking on water and bringing other kids back to life so they could attest he hadn't killed them)--but Bryan is pretty clearly non-Catholic, so that doesn't fly.

11/24/2010 12:12:07 AM

FMG

The MOH is like the VC and awarded for military bravery. There have been individuals who have won it for not firing a single shot.

11/24/2010 1:42:00 AM



Medal of Honor is pussified indeed.

Airborne was god-awful compa-

Oh wait, you are talking about medals that are given out to people that FOUGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF YOUR PEOPLE AND PREVENTED EVEN FUTHER SLAUGHTER THROUGH SELFESS AND HEROIC ACTS.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

11/24/2010 3:38:13 AM

Canadia

You're a sick bastard professing to give two shits about Jesus whilst instead worshiping death, fuck you.

11/24/2010 3:50:07 AM



Killing is a sin. At least, be consequent.

11/24/2010 3:51:19 AM

SpukiKitty

"We have feminized the Medal of Honor."

You say "feminized" like it's a bad thing.

Sexist noodniks...let's see this guy explain Kaali, Durga, Athena, The Amazons, Morrigan, a lady with PMS, the "Scorned Woman, Countess Bathory, Aileen Wurnos, etc.

"Feminine Principal" doesn't mean "Harmless Pantywaist Creampuff"....good or evil, we chicks can be scary!

With that potential within, we human females need to tap in to our inner Shakti once more, learn self-defense & put the Fear Of Goddess in guys who are Rapists, Abusers & Serial Killers (and lift up the good men who are kind & humaine).

Physically smaller & weaker? So what?! We can improvise & adapt!

Also, the more "traditionally" feminine attributes of softness, beauty, grace, sensuality, nurturing, kindness, peacefulness, emotional warmth, compassion, wisdom, balance, sweetness & such should also be seen as major strengths!
FEMININITY: Fierce but Graceful Power!

11/24/2010 5:22:45 AM

Murdin

"We have feminized the Medal of Honor."

Given your definitions of masculinity and feminity, I think it is an awesome thing that our societies are being "feminized".

Hey, that could make a koan of sorts. When the machist claims that "feminity" is every bit as capable of virtue as "masculinity" while also being mild, caring and compassionate rather than fanatical, self-absorbed and bloodthirsty, is he being misogynistic or misandric ?

11/24/2010 11:47:07 AM

Brenz

Remind me who Jesus killed again?

You are such an asshole.

11/24/2010 12:11:28 PM

EFG

I'm going to say not fundie on this one. Crazy and showing a disturbing lack of regard for the lives of others, yes, but his reasoning doesn't seem to be religiously motivated.

11/24/2010 1:05:22 PM

Miles

Moronic comment from a complete Moron.

11/24/2010 5:12:21 PM

Shadoboy

"So the question is this: when are we going to start awarding the Medal of Honor once again for soldiers who kill people and break things so our families can sleep safely at night?"

When we go back to the stone age, I guess.

11/24/2010 9:19:52 PM

Shax

The smarmy fucker decided to go back and "clarify" his position a litle, in response to the numerous comments from people who "just don't understand the point he was trying to make."

Link.

Link

The fucker is a chickenhawk armchair general with a death-fetish. "Culture of life" my happy ass. Fuck you, Bryan Fischer. Whenever someone asks me why I've come to loathe the religious right and the dystopian nightmare it stands for, all I have to do is point to you.

11/24/2010 10:01:07 PM

PFN

"When we think of heroism in battle, we used the think of our boys storming the beaches of Normandy under withering fire, climbing the cliffs of Pointe do Hoc while enemy soldiers fired straight down on them, and tossing grenades into pill boxes to take out gun emplacements."

Erm, no thats Saving Private Ryan I am sure reality is different.

11/25/2010 4:02:09 AM

SpukiKitty

I LOVE how EVERYBODY on that board (with a 1-2 exceptions) are reading this guy the riot act in droves! My faith in humanity has been restored!

11/25/2010 10:52:27 AM

DinosaurRidinJeebus

"HUUULLLK SMASH!

The hulk...America's bravest soldier. No one else can smash and destroy on his level.

But seriously, uh...Brian, you would like to take that guys award away even though he took a FUCKING BULLET (actually I heard it was two) to save his fellow soldiers' lives. That's fucked up dude...that soldier is a waaaaay better person than you.

11/25/2010 12:05:08 PM

Rambler

One problem with this stupid argument.

The guy he rescued was being dragged off by two enemy soldiers, whom he shot and killed to get him back.

What I love is the comments on the page, even other fundis are calling this guy a POS.

Makes me feel better about humanity.

As well as the soldiers inviting him to visit several bars around important military bases. ;)

11/25/2010 1:05:38 PM

Burning Stake

Though most or all of the comments on the original page tear down this piece of tripe rightly for what it is--

So, Mr. Fischer, how many people have you bravely killed? How many dead people would qualify to earn a Medal of Honor?

11/25/2010 1:25:17 PM

SpukiKitty

Bryan Fischer: Big Mouth, Big Ego, Teeny Peenie, No Brain.

11/25/2010 2:58:37 PM

flth

I laughed out loud at the last sentence. That's some downright hilarious shit right there. It's been a while since I read the good old big-B, how many Roman suckers DID he end up taking down before the cross and nails finally got him?

11/26/2010 12:33:50 AM

Nowonmai

Thereby speaks a chicken hawk who has never worn a uniform.
You know, brain trust, that the majority of Medals of Honor are given POSTHUMOUSLY for a reason.

11/26/2010 1:22:48 AM

Zits

"Someone had best alert 4chan."

Pricelessness from Fischer's own board.

11/26/2010 6:00:39 AM

Anon-e-moose

"We have feminized the Medal of Honor.

According to Bill McGurn of the Wall Street Journal, every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one."

Well, you could always join the US armed forces (the Marines are your best bet), get sent to Afghanistan, and show them how it's done, eh Bryan? I'm sure there's a Medal of Honour with your name on it, just waiting to be presented to you by President Obama, with all the pomp & ceremony you'd expect (and deserve). Just to prove Bill McGurn wrong.

...so what're you waiting for, Bryan? Get your arse round that US Armed Forces recruitment offices and enlist, toot sweet!

@breakerslion

WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION, BRYAN? THERE ARE FEMALES IN THE MILITARY THAT COULD KICK THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF YOU WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT, YOU PUTTY-FACED MORON! ... AND THEY WOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR A MEDAL, THEY'D JUST KICK YOUR ASS BECAUSE IT NEEDS DOING! PUT YOU IN ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND YOU WOULD DISTINGUISH YOURSELF BY THE PISS RUNNING DOWN YOUR PANT LEG, WOULDN'T YOU MOMMA'S BOY?

IF YOU SEE ONE OF THOSE MEDALS OF HONOR WALKING TOWARD YOU, YOU WILL SNAP TO, AND PLACE YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART IN THE CIVILIAN SALUTE OR I WILL PERSONALLY FIND YOU, CUT OUT YOUR LEFT EYE, AND SKULL FUCK YOU! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?



'WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION, NUMBNUTS?!'

-Gunnery Sgt. Hartman (R. Lee Ermey), "Full Metal Jacket"

11/26/2010 8:23:32 AM



@Tempus

"I smell a chickenhawk."

Me too.

11/26/2010 7:00:29 PM

Orion

@Tempus: Or a Chickenshit

Also Brian real life is not Call Of Duty (the video game), victory is not based on your kill to death ratio. Real life victory in war is whoever is left standing at the end.

11/27/2010 5:13:52 AM



"However, Jesus’ act of self-sacrifice would ultimately have been meaningless - yes, meaningless - if he had not inflicted a mortal wound on the enemy while giving up his own life."

- Another groupie of Pauline doctrine, i.e. that Jesus did absolutely nothing of note except DIE! Everything he said and did in the gospels (which evidently Paul never read) was just killing time on earth while waiting to DIE! So remember folks, when you think of Jesus, don't think of compassion, parables or the sermon on the mount. Just remember that he DIED!

11/27/2010 7:43:07 AM
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