One of the people in the group of almost 300 atheists/agnostics who visited the Creation Museum a few months ago wrote this on his blog:
It is in the minds and hearts of our children that the battle will be fought . . . .
Secular humanists understand that if you can brainwash children from an early age in evolution and an anti-Christian philosophy, they will capture their hearts and minds. Sadly, they are being very successful at this. As we have shown in the book, Already Gone—based on statistically valid research conducted by America’s Research Group—the two-thirds of young people who are leaving the church really are doing so because the church is not countering what the world is doing to indoctrinate them against the Bible’s history (particularly in Genesis).
All over the world, the secular humanists (who are a minority in the culture) are gaining ground, capturing new generations of kids. The Already Gone research also showed that children from the church are being lost much earlier than most people think—40% by the end of middle school and another 45% by the end of high school.
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"what the world is doing to indoctrinate them against the Bible’s history (particularly in Genesis). "
There is no indoctrination with science. It's just education. We leave indoctrination to the religitards. I sure hope your data is good, proves education wins.
Woot!
"Secular humanists understand that if you can brainwash children from an early age in evolution and an anti-Christian philosophy, they will capture their hearts and minds."
Let's see... that's irony meter number 43 that Ken Ham owes me.
Oh, and so the fact that real life contradicts your holy book means that schools are brainwashing kids? LOL.
...the world is doing to indoctrinate them against the Bible’s history (particularly in Genesis).
Science cannot "indoctrinate" because science does not have alterior motives like religion. Science just presents the facts, it's we who choose whether or not to believe in them.
...children from the church are being lost much earlier than most people think40% by the end of middle school and another 45% by the end of high school.
So you've discovered the inverse-proportion relationship between education and being religious. Congratulations.
"It is in the minds and hearts of our children that the battle will be fought . . . ."
...and with our secular world, coupled with Kitzmiller vs. Dover, the war has already been won.
This is messrs. Ham & Beemer's current location:
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I really really really really really really hope this is true. But that's what you get when you teach kids how to think, not what to think, which tends to be the major difference between secular humanists and Christians. All Christians know how to do is brainwash and indoctrinate, while humanists tend to teach children how to use logic & reason which tends to lead them to atheism since reality has an atheistic bias.
I've never heard any formerly religious atheist or agnostic claim they left the church because "secular humanists" brainwashed them into thinking that Genesis wasn't literally a science or history book. First of all, most mainstream Christian sects don't even teach that themselves. One of the biggest problems churches have is providing a reasonable explanation for why God never actually seems to do anything.
@Brendan - I think he means Ken Ham is in denial ("de Nile" - get it?)
"All over the world, the secular humanists (who are a minority in the culture) are gaining ground, capturing new generations of kids. The Already Gone research also showed that children from the church are being lost much earlier than most people think40% by the end of middle school and another 45% by the end of high school."
And with your help, we can make this 50% or even 60%!
"Written by an atheist/agnostic" Aye right, and Naples is the capital of Norway.
I'm Catholic and we have rules about telling lies. But then people like this don't think Catholics are Christians, do they? Or that the Gospels have got anything to do with Christianity.
Christian fundamentalists understand that if you can brainwash children from an early age in bronze age hocus pocus and Christian philosophy, they will capture their hearts and minds. Sadly, they are being very successful at this.
Fixed!
@Matante
Dude, here's a cigar. I've been trying to come up with a nice concise way of saying that for a week now.
Seriously though, one of the truest sentiments I've heard on the subject.
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Neith :
Teaching kids to think for themselves is not brainwashing. Of course, I wouldn't expect Ken Ham to understand the concept of thinking for oneself.
You've gotten that right.
Get a load of how they portray independent thinking . Or their love of public schools .
What? The Am research group is run by Beemer? Wow. They are referencing the "statiscally valid research", ....they are referencing their own work as a source. Making it sound sort of like some appeal to authority, when it is actually just them. Doesnt sound all that authoritative now does it?
Yes Ken. Although atheist are a minority now, we are quickly gaining ground as we spread light on the stupidity of your fundie dogmatic nonsense. And that is sad, even the kids can recognize it as nonsense....but adults like you evidently are having a harder time leaving your make believe world.
I was "brainwashed" from an early age in evolution and Christianity. Every school-day, during the first three years, began with a hymn.
I wasn't completely "lost" until I started reading about fundies on FSTDT.
I have half a mind to indoctrinate myself with some Genesis right now.
...oh, wait. Even Genesis turned on you.
A man who cannot distinguish between "evolution" (demonstrable fact, recognized as such by the vast majority of Christians outside America) and "anti-Christian philosophy", or between history and the legendary matter of Genesis, is simply beneath contempt. But then this is Ken Ham, so we already knew that.
I left the church because I believed in a better God, and couldn't take the idea of the devil seriously.
What's your excuse for leaving its teachings while continuing to rise through its ranks, Ken?
When the number of children leaving the church doubles to 90% we'll throw a party.
It's hard for the church to counter what the "world is doing" because the church has fuckall to back up its position except the same old ridiculous fairytales. "The world", on the other hand, encompasses just about everything else - including progress.
"All over the world, the secular humanists (who are a minority in the culture) are gaining ground, capturing new generations of kids. The Already Gone research also showed that children from the church are being lost much earlier than most people think40% by the end of middle school and another 45% by the end of high school."
When I was eleven, at school they conducted reading, spelling, and pronunciation tests of the pupils there, being called up to the teachers' desk to read from cards - sometimes in completely different classes; geography, maths etc. Via this method, they were able to determine our reading ages and general level of intelligence.
It was discovered that I, at just eleven, had a reading age of thirty. Because of this, I had on my library card 'NV' or 'Non-voter', thus I was able to borrow books from the adult non/fiction sections. Therefore I had an even wider vista of knowledge available to me. Not for nothing are books - and the facts they contain - the most priceless commodity of all.
Yep, that terrible secular education I was exposed to here in the UK's schools (and where the vile concept of 'thinking for yourself' is hideously encouraged by the teachers there) has done unimaginable damage to me. They've certainly brainwashed & thus recruited me to be part of the worldwide 'Atheist Conspiracy' indeed!
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All of the Christians in my neighborhood are loving people, and are aware that it takes more than church to have morals. Also, every Christian I know believes in evolution (since Christianity and evolution are not mutually exclusive) and encourage free thinking.
Probably why I still believe. And then we get people like Ham and Beemer and I question my faith. Do fundies know that they damage faith more than atheists do?
Here's something I think REAL museums of SCIENCE should include in their displays.
Things the church has stood against
Your history will be your undoing, that's why you hate truth so much.
Ultimately, in the end, when it's all said and done and to the grave, humans don't have the right by natural thermal law. Secular humanists are, have always been and always will be deceited fucktards.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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