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eyeless cave fish are still cave fish (of the genus astyanax). The cave fish with eyes and the cave fish without are both of the same order of genus still. wikipedia states that they the same genus and even same species....."The eyed and eyeless forms of A. mexicanus, being members of the same species, are closely related and can interbreed. " They didn't change genre or kind at all. So this is not true evolution (on a macro scale.) It's just micro evolution, like getting over the flu virus. That happens all the time. I have a permanent change in my blood type. I had hepatitis A and can no longer donate blood at a blood bank. But I am still human because my body went through micro evolution. But true macro evolution still is un observed; and monkeys don't become humans (macro evolution) because they are different genre and different kinds of vertebrates. finally, even though species may evolve blindness they do not evolve eye sight (or the complete eye.) This is irreducibly complex and cannot evolve (similar to bacterial flagellum). Those are claims amongst evolutionists that are speculation and in dire need of evidence.
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gradyll, CF 70 Comments [3/30/2011 3:35:26 AM]
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Idiot. And irriducible like a mousetrap?

3/30/2011 3:56:32 AM


With an intellect like that, you shouldn't attempt to reproduce with members of any species. Please!

And that has little to do with how evolution works.

3/30/2011 3:59:58 AM

word salad, creationist buzzword, more word salad, another buzzword.

Yeah, nothing to see here.

3/30/2011 4:01:34 AM


You just don't get it...do you?

Always with the eyes... and the flagellum... and you received your biology degree from where..?

Oh... you googled it. So you must know everything then... sorry, my bad.

...I'm getting as bad as them. Have to fix my spelling.

3/30/2011 4:06:32 AM


I read this to my partner and when I got to the bit about "... my body went through micro evolution," we both chorused "No, it F'n Didn't!"

Fundies, bringing people together - just not the way they think.

3/30/2011 4:23:58 AM


3/30/2011 4:28:19 AM

Doctor Whom

They didn't change genre or kind at all.

If a horror movie is remade as a dark comedy, is that micro- or macroevolution?

3/30/2011 4:35:21 AM


...monkeys don't become humans...

the old canard. Don't they ever get tired of it. OK. my riposte: neither do fundies, although the potential is greater.

3/30/2011 4:42:14 AM

Mister Spak

" I have a permanent change in my blood type. I had hepatitis A and can no longer donate blood at a blood bank."

Why, do you have monkey blood now?

3/30/2011 4:51:49 AM


Damn you Doctor Whom! I was going for the same type of response! Lol, oh well there's still plenty of material in this post.

It's just micro evolution, like getting over the flu virus. That happens all the time. I have a permanent change in my blood type. I had hepatitis A and can no longer donate blood at a blood bank. But I am still human because my body went through micro evolution.

That's Lamarckism you're thinking of, dingbat. Evolution happens to populations not to individuals.

finally, even though species may evolve blindness they do not evolve eye sight...This is irreducibly complex


Consider the complexity reduced. And that's not even as far as it can go. I could have (had I felt like searching for it) found a creature with only a patch of photoreceptors instead of the primitive cup eye seen on the creature in this picture.

3/30/2011 5:21:10 AM

No. Hepatitis is not—I repeat: NOT evolution.

3/30/2011 5:21:31 AM


Macroevolution is unobserved because macroevolution is observation. It's a way of looking at evolution, not a type of evolution.

Of course, evolution can't occur within a generation, but if we go with your fantasy version of evolution, then frogs, butterflies and axolotls prove it beyond a doubt. Way to go, making a strawman that's easier to defend than the real thing. That takes a special kind of stupid.

3/30/2011 5:26:12 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Those These are claims amongst evolutionists fundies that are speculation and in dire need of evidence.

3/30/2011 5:29:31 AM


Well, he doesn't understand evolution, but he is no fundie.

3/30/2011 5:39:18 AM


Micro evolution is macro evolution. Micro evolution == macro evolution. Micro evolution and macro evolution are the same. There is no difference between micro evolution and macro evolution.

Need I continue?

3/30/2011 5:46:25 AM


You're bloodtype physically cannot change just because it's infected you fucking moron. Your bloodtype is your bloodtype for life.

Also, evolution does not work that way!

3/30/2011 5:50:54 AM


Think of it this way:

100 millimetres = 10 centimetres

XX micro evolution = X macro evolution

3/30/2011 5:51:36 AM

Micro/macro-evolution. Both the same thing actually. You are only able to suggest they are not because you lack fundamental understanding of what evolution actually is. To make it simple, what you call macroevolution is just the result of lots of microevolutions.

Getting over the flu virus or catching hepatitis are not examples of evolution. Your blood type hasn't changed, you aren't allowed to donate blood because you had a virus that could make someone else very ill - didn't your doctors explain this? Recovering from flu is just your immune system kicking some ass.

Irreducible complexity. Big words for someone who doesn't even know what evolution is. Irreducible complexity is a claim amongst IDers that has no basis other than debunked blind watchmaker bullshit and the ravings of people like Behe and Dembski - two men who have no interest in truth or evidence. Transitional forms along the path of eye evolution have been found. Dire need for evidence is not an accusation you can honestly throw at the ToE.

3/30/2011 6:04:46 AM


Micro evolution - you throw that term around as if it is not evolution. It's called MICRO evolution because it is EVOLUTION in small steps. Many steps can cover large distances leading to MACRO evolution.

These people are so fucking stupid it boggles the mind

3/30/2011 6:05:25 AM



3/30/2011 6:07:57 AM


I kind of want to hunt down the person who invented the terms 'microevolution' and 'macroevolution' and slap him or her.

3/30/2011 6:15:42 AM

Doubting Thomas

There is absolutely no difference between evolution and "micro-evolution." Changes in living things due to environment is evolution.

And your blood type didn't change. You just now have a virus living in it that we haven't found a cure for.

3/30/2011 6:19:15 AM


Would you care for some ground pepper? A little grated Parmesan perhaps? Ovaltine!

3/30/2011 6:20:09 AM


And I obviously cannot walk across the country because my legs are not long enough. I can walk across town, because that is a micro-walk. But across the country? A macro-walk???It would require such large strides that it is impossible.

3/30/2011 6:22:12 AM

Marc L

1) Learn how to use a dictionary. A genre and a genus are not the same things. They're similar (in that they're both classifications), but they're not similar enough to use interchangeably.

2) You do not have a permanent change in your blood type. You still have the same blood type you were born with. It might have been infected and thus is no longer able to be donated, but it is still the same blood type you had when you were born.

3) Being infected does not mean you evolved - this is not the X-men. Evolution would have only occurred had you been born with a mutation. Even then, it would only mean that you were slightly different some how than your parents. If whatever trait you had enabled you to be more successful at reproduction than other humans, then that trait would be passed on to your offspring and so on and so on.

4) You are confusing Lamarkian and Darwinian evolution. Lamarkian evolution (which was debunked a very long time ago) believes that if something happens to an organism, that change is passed on to its offspring. Basically, if your blood type had actually changed (and it hasn't, see above), then your children would be born with the new change. Darwinian evolution (which is currently supported by mountains of evidence) says that a mutation takes place before an organism is born. This mutation effects whether or not the organism is more successful at reproduction, and if so, whether or not it enters the general population.

3/30/2011 6:30:30 AM

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