I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle.
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i know that it goes against your basic nature, but try to be honest for a minute, bitch! The only reason you're sucking zionist cock is that you're convinced that Israel existing is a prerequisite for your Whooshfest is to happen. If not for that (retarded and unbiblical) doctrine you'd be calling Jews Christ-killers and wishing for new pogroms...
"And I will bless those who bless you,
Point out the Israel in this, Michelle.
I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . .
This might actually be true, but of course not for the strange reason "Michele Bachmann" proposes here (a curse from a fictional entity):
When Israel loses its dominant position in the Middle East, the power structure and the Status Quo there gets incalculably shaken and re-adjusted. That means a huge risk for the continuous oil supply to the fossile fuel addicted USA.
you know, they're hailing this idiot as the next Palin and want to put her up as a presidential candidate. THAT scares me.
Letting what the Bible (supposedly) says dictate our foreign policy: okay
Letting what the Bible actually says dictate what seafood restaurants are allowed to serve, how farmers are allowed to plant crops, what clothes people are allowed to wear, tax policy, healthcare policy, business ethics: Hey let's not go too crazy alright?
Um, ma'am? European countries are nowhere near as supportive of Israel as the United States, and they seem fine. You didn't even give a logical sequence of events from "The United States no longer unilaterally supporting Israel" to "the downfall of the United States".
By the way, I would not have a problem with unilaterally supporting Israel if the Israelis were not excessively cruel to the Palestinians, but sadly they have essentially stooped down to the level of the dictatorships around them. That being said, they're still light-years better than all their neighbors. But that does not excuse your blatant non sequitur.
You know.. I'm not all up on the topic.. but from what I hear and read and even see on Youtube, Israel is kind of a shit ally. Can someone point out to be an event where Israel pulled its weight so that I at least have that to try and counter what appears to be nothing more than a spoiled brat of a nation?
Also.. Bachmann scares the hell out of me in all honesty.
You see StoneSpiral, it's quite simple: by backing up truckloads of cash to Israel, we buy the favor of God. It doesn't matter if Israel is a modern day apartheid state and Netanyahu tries to jerk the USA around like we're his personal checking account, that nation just fell out of the sky one day and they're entitled to do whatever they want.
Zionism is to judaism, what Nazism was to christianity.
There are good jews, and those jews should be protected by the same principles and laws as everyone else... but the zionists are a criminal gang who cower behind the name of judaism while engaging in open, colonialist genocide.
So, standing with Israel, no matter what nonsense that government gets up to, is a "strong and beautiful principle?" What about standing with humanitatian ideals and good sense? And, of course, believing in a curse is the same as believing in magic, which is a hallmark of poor thinking and bad judgement.
No you dumb fuck... How this mentally retarded imbecile got elected is a mystery but then again, this is the US so they elect any idiot they can find.
Even though I know Israel is USA's 51st state, nothing is going to happen to the US if Israel disappears.
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"then there is a curse that comes into play"
Oh noes, not an unnamed, unproven, supernatural curse!
"I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States"
To my knowledge, the UK doesn't 'stand' with Israel (at least, not as much as your country claims to; inasmuch as your so-called 'support' is actually purely for the sake of you fundies' own 'Apocalypse/Second Coming' BS purposes, otherwise, it'd be a case of 'Fuck the Jews!').
Yet, it was Britain who gave Palestine to the Jews, so they could create their own country, 'Israel' in the first fucking place.
That was in 1948. We're still here. Your argument is not only invalid; and isn't just blown out of the water, but out of the space-time continuum as a whole, Michele.
Let me get this straight. We are "blessed" because of our support of Israel. If so, were we not "blessed" before Israel was founded in 1947?
I know that Batscat Shelly can't be bothered with any concept not found in the Buybull but even she can't be suggesting we gave a rat's ass about Israel before the current country of that name was founded by seizing the best farmland in the area for a bunch of dispossessed European Jews.
Adrian said it best, if it wasn't for this stupid idea that Israel is required to exist for the end of the world to arrive (Why the fuck would you want the world to end anyway?), you'd hate the Jews just as much as you hate Muslims, Wicca, atheists, and Hindus.
Oh fucking a, I was so hoping it was someone powerless and not motherfucking Michele "Batshit" Bachmann.
I would step on children to prevent her from gaining control over a nuclear arsenal.
Oh yeah, and it's nice how you support a country that has been systematically killing and segregating the people THAT WERE THERE FIRST! I guess that's just a good ol' American tradition, huh...
fucking fascists.
So, you're lip-service Christian but in your hearts you are really Jews? Right.
Whatever, I couldn't care less. If Israel behaves like decent folks, then we'd stand with them.
Human Rights for The Win! We're all created equal, and we all deserve equal treatment.
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There are good jews, and those jews should be protected by the same principles and laws as everyone else... but the zionists are a criminal gang who cower behind the name of judaism while engaging in open, colonialist genocide.
[we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel.]
Like Palestine? Oh, wait...
Yo Bachmann, stop sucking Bibi Netanyahu's dick. For someone who's probably bitched and moaned about Obama "embarrassing" the United State, you're acting awfully hypocritical. But what else is new?
I do believe Israel has a right to exist, because the Israelis are people and I don't support the mass murder Hamas endorses. But the Palestinians are people too.
Michelle Bachmann is truly a stupid woman, but she is simply following the typical Republican "Kiss Israel's Ass" policy. In fact, even the Democrat are afraid of saying something against them.
Israel was established in 1948. Contrast this with 1789 when the USA was formed under its Constitution.
Maybe, it's Israel that should stand with us to keep from going under. It is, after all, our money that's keeping Israel afloat.
Yeah, let's base all our geopolitical decisions, including ones that have serious repercussions for people's lives, and might escalate an already fraught situation, on what it says in the Bible. Let's seriously believe that God takes time out to have a favourite country, and that he gets mad with people who don't like it.
I am equally as convinced that to support Isreal,is to support the Christian notion of Armageddon.
Me and my husband dont think thats a beautiful idea.
You know, it is one thing to have fringe wackos like Lahaye and the nut case with the holy water, that's scary enough that people like this are living, breathing realities.
But to have a major political party and its candidates on the lunatic fringe really scares the crap out of me.
I don't think the US electorate really understands the potential danger associated with some of these loony toons.
Now, hopefully there is still enough sanity in the Republican Party to insure they can't do too much damage, but I'm beginning to wonder if the corporate branch of the GOP is starting to lose control to the loonies.
America has unconditionally supported Israel since its founding in 1948. We have given them trillions in aid including both money and weapons as well as totally unconditional moral support.
In return we have been blessed with terrorists attacks, massive debt and economic collapse, and endless wars.
I, for one, am willing to give the "curse" a try.....
Considering that Jews regard Gentiles as mere servants, recalling that certain rabbis speech and game two shit about where they are going to find their nation based on biblical "history" instead of placing it somewhere in south americas where it wouldn't pissed off, lets say entire Islamdom.
Of course, Bachmann cares nothing about Jewish people generally -- or even Israeli Jews. What she's referring to is a very specific subset: only those Jews and Israeli people who are raging right-wingers and support totalitarian religious rule over all aspects of society, and those who support ethnic cleansing aimed at Palestinians (Muslim, Christian and secular alike). The only "good Jew" for Bachmann is one who is usable as a prop for her wingnuttery. And yet she, a goy, is willing to make sweeping accusations of "anti-Semitism" at anyone who criticizes the theocratic right wing of Israeli politics -- including Jewish progressives.
Madam, keep your religion out of politics lest politics start interfering in your religion.
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn if you and your husbad and the family dog have all got religion. It has nothing to do with politics.
If you knew anything about economics you would know that the USA is already badly overstretched and could do far better without supporting Israel to the tune of god knows how many billions since that state was founded. Let us call a spade a spade, the only reason you support Israel is because you believe the bible requires Israel to exist, and convert to Christianity (Your version, of course) so the idiotic rapture will take place. Frankly that puts you more in the position of suitability for the looney bin than for Congress.
Looking back...
"And so Michele Bachmann became president in 2012, and that was the final nail in the coffin of US/Arab relations. That's why all middle Eastern countries stopped dealing in US dollars, that's why Pakistan cut off all support in the war on terror and began supporting the Taliban. Now the US faces a deadly nuclear standoff with Pakistan and Iran, just like it did with the Soviets for over four decades. That's why the British government received no warnings over the 2013 dirty bomb in London, that's why the BNP now have four MPs in the British Parliament, and that's why Muslims all over Europe are being persecuted by extreme right-wing organisations.
So you will understand now why gasoline is now $27 a gallon, and that is why the US miltary under Bachmann have been seizing oil-bearing land from private ownership in Texas.
It is estimated that a full civil war will be inevitable within two years"...
@#1293182: How is it anti-Semitic to deplore the systematic persecution that the Israeli government employs against Palestinians? How is it anti-Semitic to say that the oppression of the Palestinian people is a disgrace against humanity? Just because the perpetrators are Jewish? What if we were talking about the Turkish government's own poor treatment of its minorities? Would you say that it was "anti-Turkish" to criticize them? That we hated Turks and that was the only reason why we were talking about it?
We are not talking about the Jewish people when we criticize Israel's treatment of the Palestinians; we are talking about the Israeli *government.* And the army, which serves the government. Criticism of a nation's actions (or, more accurately, the government's actions) does not automatically equate to racism against that nation's people.
Especially when there are *Jewish* critics of the Israeli government's stance against Palestinians. So, in your view, are they self-hating racists? Or do they just not approve of the Israeli government's actions?
So you want to base your nation's foreign policy in the 21st century on the scribblings of some superstitious desert-dwelling goat-herder dude who lived thousands of years before the USA even existed.
That's the only problem with democracy; it gives votes to slavering retards.
Fuck you, nameless troll (#1293182). By using the rehashed and tired cliche of "anti-Semitism," you are denying the Arabs their humanity. Arabs are Semites, too. Palestinians are Arabs. Therefore if you're anti-Semitic, you're also anti-Arab, too. And if we're criticizing the Israeli state, it is in no way an indictment of Judaism in general. THAT'S what people like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein want to clarify.
I bet if you were a white anti-Jim Crow activist, you were a self-hating white person, right? Fuck off.
@Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Arabs are Semites, too. Palestinians are Arabs"
Those who were born in & live in & around the environs of Persia/Iran are Aryans .
Just tell that to any member of the KKK, Aryan Nations/Brotherhood, Skinheads, Tom Metzger et al, and watch their heads explode:
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...oh, and Hitler was a paedophile too:
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You only like Israel because:
1) You think that the Rapture depends on it.
2) You want to blow up all the brown people anyway.
Oh PLEASE let this dumb cunt run against Obama and let them play a round of merciless hardball with her goofy ass.
She'll end up looking no better then Palin. I've heard this bitch spout all sort of nonsense before, like when she claimed the founding fathers abolished slavery, and I think she'd get bitchslapped around everywhere but Fox News if she ran. (Fox news would kiss her ass, but hey it's a far right propaganda network that Goebbels would either be proud of or ashamed of for it's STUPIDITY in doing what he did.)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, mates... not that I don't understand why you're saying it, but isn't comparing zionism to nazism and Israel's actions to Nazi Germany and apartheid a mite too strong?lot of crap, but these comparisons just seem like an overreaction.
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