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Skatepunk

This calls for a Word Salad Award.

And when will you get it through your thick fucking skulls?!? Spoken prayer and public sharing of faith ARE allowed in public school. Public schools simply are not allowed to LEAD A MANDATORY PRAYER. My law teacher in high school, who is a Conservative Christian BTW, even reminded the class of this difference.

Oh, and don't talk about "morality" with me. I know a few Muslim friends who are much more moral than you. And a lot smarter too.

freako104

This is wrong. They can and do teach morality. You are a fail

John

Public schools in the United States are liberal

i.e., in the 80% of the country to the the left of my mom.

whoanelly

Conservapedia=pure word diarrhea. I went to public school for elementary school in New York, that demon heathen liberal state, and homosexuality definitely wasn't taught in classrooms. We read Charlotte's Web and made bird houses out of milk cartons. P.S., how the fuck does the Canadian healthcare system have anything to do with public schools in the United States?

louislois

Looks like a typical conservapedia rant. But landfills? Seriously?

CanadianBroad

Oh no! Our plot to turn the U.S. into a socialist country by hiding LGBT people in their landfills has been exposed! Aaargh! Quick, everyone flee back to our hospitals ...

Or something. I guess.

Alencon

What do you suppose would happen if Conservapedia ever encountered reality?

The scary part is that there of millions of evangelical Christian children in the U.S. that are encouraged to use Conservapedia rather than "liberal" sources like Wikipedia.

Of course to fundies anything that contradicts their pre-determined beliefs is "liberal."

J. James

Should it instead be one long priestfuck of religion? Kids doing the salute to the flag saying GOD WITH US AMEN! Because you know who held prayer in school and taught that homosexuality is wrong along with conservative values and economics?

The NAZIS!

Oh yeah I went there.

And neither prayer nor the ten commandments are forbidden at schools, just teachers leading them is.

Brendan Rizzo

I attended American public schools for many years back when Bush was in office, so let me tell you that these are all lies. But of course, you knew that. This IS from Conservapedia, after all.

Parabola

Hey, current high schooler right here.

I have plenty of discussions about religion (specifically Catholicism) with a fellow student of mine. The school is absolutely fine with that. One of my teachers has openly talked about her beliefs in the classroom. She's still employed at the school, much to my joy because she's possibly one of the best teachers at the school.

I've combed through the student handbook and there are no rules against spoken prayer. I'm certain it would be allowed if at an appropriate time and not in a distracting manner.

Hell, after one of the most beloved teachers at the school passed away (rest in peace Phil!), some students were taken up voluntarily to the local church for some comfort and time for reflection and prayer.

You're right about the Ten Commandments, but when we had World Religions class (cancelled due to other commitments by the teacher who held it), I bet it was covered.

In elementary school, I heard nothing about homosexuality from the teachers. I found that stuff out on my own, or from my homophobic mother. Sure, this probably has changed, but is nothing beyond the "some people have two mommies or two daddies. Nothing wrong with that" sort of thing. No teaching kindergarteners about fisting or whatever lies you're spreading now. :P As for middle school sex-ed, pretty much routine things about various birth control methods and how the reproductive system works. Plus, you can opt-out of that easily.

All this in the liberal commonwealth of Massachusetts.

And I'm sorry, but that last sentence makes you sound like a parody.

LDM

You say that like it's a bad thing.

And I'd give anything for us to have a Canadian type healthcare system.

LDM

@Osiris

Actually, they hate public schools because either

A) They were homeskuled and taught that public schools are evil or

B) they went to public schools but were part of that loser crowd who wound up still living in their parents' basements at 40.

Berny

I've read a lot of retarded things on Conservapedia. This is but another one. They never let the facts get in the way of their conservative right wing Christian fundamentalist ideology.
Oh, and say what you will about the Canadian healthcare system. It cured my lymphoma and I didn't have to bankrupt my family in the process. Total cost to me and mine, zero.
So fuck you, Andy.

Noneofyourbusiness

@John

"The fact is, people who want school prayer don't want their own kids to pray. They can do that at home, as they well know."

I dunno, I think these fundies think their kids aren't praying enough if they aren't doing it in class.

Mrs. Antichrist

Canada's health care system is rather successful, actually. Stop believing everything Fox News tells you.

I guess when one has been so completely brainwashed by one's nutbag mother it's difficult to avoid projecting and thinking kids everywhere are being "indoctrinaed" in the same way.

Zeus Almighty

When I went to elementary school back in the 70s our teachers led a morning prayer every day before the Indoctrination of Allegiance. Then in high school every year they let the Gideons come in and hand out Bibles at a mandatory assembly.
Guess what, bitch, I'm atheist.
Oh, and in this small podunk town, I'd guess at LEAST 75 percent of my Bible-believin' friends who stayed behind got married due to unplanned pregnancies. (Did I mention that sex ed was conspicuously absent in the school curriculum?) Fortunately I had older siblings who gave me the talk about contraceptives, and I knew I wanted -- needed desperately -- to get the fuck out of that hellhole ASAP. Chalk another one up to education.

D Laurier

On what planet?

Public schools in the United States are liberal and atheistic government institutions that employ 3 million people and...

Well yes it is secular, because of that pesky little thing called the First Amendment creating a separation between church and state. If you want the kids to learn about the "truthiness" of the bible, enroll them at a private school that receives no federal funding and you pay out of your own pocket.

spend $411.5 billion annually at a cost of $10,770 per student.

Education isn't cheap, and we could focus more on education instead of attacking random countries who "hate us for our freedoms" and having a stupid system like No Child Left Behind (a deceptively named law if there ever was one), we could see about finding ways to improve it for all students and eliminate the achievement gap for real.

Spoken prayer, the Ten Commandments, and sharing of faith are expressly forbidden in public schools' classrooms during school hours, and teaching of morality is implicitly disfavored.

I went to a public school, you could pray but only if you weren't being disruptive and not forcing anyone to join you but the school couldn't join in. Everyday I walked in before first bell, some group was out in front of the flagpole praying, with a staff member or two sometimes but after first bell they just taught like they where supposed to.

Homosexual indoctrination is common as early as elementary school in more liberal states.

Oh no! They are teaching tolerance to their students!

The failures of underperforming public schools are paradigm of socialism, along with landfills and the Canadian healthcare system.

Actually, Canada's healthcare system is much better than ours. In fact, a lot of countries with universal health care rank higher than us!

Tempus

@louislois: Conservapedia's hatred for landfills stems from two pieces of conservative doctrine:

(1)ANYTHING government does automatically fails, no matter what is is; but corporations and private industry are A-OK! Also, government oversight of private industry is an intolerable burden, even if--especially if--the company is behaving in a corrupt and criminal manner; you should let your purchasing dollars do the talking and refuse to do business with them instead, or simply leave for a place that's better--even if it isn't practical or feasible for you to to do so. (NOTA BENE: This applies mostly to large corporations and corporate monopolies, not small businesses and mom n' pop-style affairs, since it's natural for large companies to kill and eat the smaller ones--it's just nature, folks!)

(2)Disposing of garbage in a relatively environmentally sound manner, i.e., not burning it in great piles in our yards or dumping it all in the nearest river or lake, smacks of environmentalism, which is teh bad because only liberals give a damn about fresh water, clean air or responsible stewardship of animals, plants or mineral resources. Also, because garbage collection is often a function of local government that's paid for by your tax dollars, see (1). Remember, ALL taxation is theft!

Their hatred of public schools comes from a healthy dose of (1) combined with both a dose of seething hatred for anything remotely secular and an overwhelming desire to tear it down in favor of a completely private educational system with no outside oversight or accountability to anyone. In such a system, the children of parents who can afford to send their children to a private school would receive a massive load of indoctrination in conservative Christian politics and political values as well as (or even in preference to) a normal education. The children of parents who can't would be forced to homeschool their children, which would help keep at least one parent (wink wink, nudge nudge) out of the workforce at least part of the time, or they would be forced to forgo education altogether--which is also acceptable, since a poorly educated, poverty-riddled population is much easier for political and religious demagogues to control.

Osiris

@LDM
No, it's all about the control. Conservatives don't want their people going to public school, because the best way to stop being a conservative retard is to get introduced to new ideas and learn why stuff like how contraceptives aren't evil and that the Earth is billions of years. This is why they portray public education as this cesspit of villainy, to scare them in homeskoolin' their kids, so they can remain ignorant. The public education system has problems, definitely, but they aren't these problems.

@Comrade Potatovich:

Hey, Assfly. Yeah, you. Your hatin' on the Fed is startlingly anarchistic. Anarchism is left wing!

Actually it's not anarchy he advocates, it's a form of feudal monarchy. He has a 2000 year old book of rules for society (the babble), and has a monarch ready to place on the throne (his lord (rolls eyes) goddidit).

As for homosexual indoctrination, I'll believe that when they start teaching the alternate uses for Vaseline (showing my age there, I do believe).

ArschFleisch is an idiot. Even the US supreme court facepalms to his interpretations of state constitutions vs the US constitution.

Raised by Horses

"Public schools in the United States are liberal and atheistic government institutions that employ 3 million people and spend $411.5 billion annually at a cost of $10,770 per student. Spoken prayer, the Ten Commandments, and sharing of faith are expressly forbidden in public schools' classrooms during school hours.."

So far, so good.

"and teaching of morality is implicitly disfavored."

Faith != morality. Revise and try again.

"Homosexual indoctrination is common as early as elementary school in more liberal states."

Okay, now you're starting to go off the deep end. Time to erase what you've written and start again from scratch. And by 'scratch', I mean get an education before you actually write anything ever again.

"The failures of underperforming public schools are paradigm of socialism, along with landfills and the Canadian healthcare system."

Okay, hold it, stop. That last sentence was a crime against writing. Go directly to jail. Do not pass 'Go'. Do not collect $200.

solomongrundy

This might be the perfect Poe.
http://conservapedia.com/Essay:Resisting_Socialist_Landfills

Murdin

Landfills are socialist. That's why all the garbage would end up there or in polluting incinerators without Big Government and its taxpayer-funded initiatives to promote recycling.