If you’re an Atheist, your life might be worthless. Indeed you will be going to Hell. I honestly don’t fucking care anymore. Neither does Jesus. We’re both the same. I’m on his lifeboat. You’re on the Titanic!
When I’m on the decks of Heaven sipping a cocktail I will not even pour a drop of Martini down to cool your tongue because I know you’d just spit it back into an unborn baby’s eye.
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"If you’re an Atheist, your life might be worthless."
Or it might not be.
If you are an atheist, your life might be fullfilling and worthwhile.
"Indeed you will be going to Hell."
And you will be going to Gondor.
Seriously Don, I have no plans to go to any imaginary places.
The rest of your hate filled, revenge fantasy is just a failure's wank fest.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius
Darn right! God's gonna fry your butt unless you tell Him telepathically that you believe in His existence and follow His rules as set down in some Bronze Age book.
Of course He could prove His existence instantly if He wanted to ... I mean, no one questions the existence of Gwyneth Paltrow or the Washington Monument ... but for some obscure reason, He wants us to be stupid and accept His existence without actually using our brains. If you pass the stupid test, He sends you to heaven. Otherwise, you go to hell.
When I’m on the decks of Heaven sipping a cocktail I will not even pour a drop of Martini down to cool your tongue because I know you’d just spit it back into an unborn baby’s eye.
I thought you guys liked unborn babies! Besides, I'm very confused they allow alcohol in heaven?
I honestly don’t fucking care anymore. Neither does Jesus.
Neither does Jesus?
Is that the same Jesus who, according to your cute little story, let himself be crucified for the sins of the world? The lamb? The one who forgave the people who spited him even while he was hanging on the cross? That Jesus?
Ok, I can see that an almighty, eternal God for whom time has no meaning and who knows and sees all can get fed up after, say, 2000 years and stop caring about the people he died on the cross for.
That makes sense.
Have a nice life of hate, Brother Don. I'll just keep on going without Jesus. I don't think he'll care.
I'm an atheist and think Don Kroner and all other fundamentalists are jackasses. It sort of bothers me though that this quote was in response to an atheist who, according to Kroner, wrote to his website talking about how unborn babies are "wortheless" and then stating his belief that "retards and old people" are also worthless but have value because, according to the atheist, "people stil care about them FOR SOME REASON"- Capitalization added.
Now, I don't like Kroner but don't you think that his vitriol against athiests in this quote might have something to do with the asshole athiest who he's responding to that is honestly arguing that old people and the retarded are "worthless" and their only value is related to not old and not retarded people who care about them? Isn't that atheists argument far more offensive and far more worthy of being on this site than Kroner's response?
Look, Religion was something people invented to cling to since they couldn't understand their world, so they created the idea of a perfect being to give themselves answers. Some people like you are just clinging to hard. I usually don't look down on religous people, only people who hate everyone else.
@read the whole thing
an atheist who, according to Kroner , wrote to his website
Before commenting, I'd like to see the original quote, the exact wording as entered on the website by the visitor, not Kroner's paraphrasing.
Please excuse me if I appear to mistrust Brother Kroner, but as absurd as it may sound, fundamentalists have been known to misinterpret and lie for Jesus.
@Checkmate: I completely agree. That's why I included the "according to Kroner" bit. I probably should have made it more obvious that I think Kroner is an unreliable narrator. I've been looking over his site, though, and there are legitimately offensive, vitriolic comments left in the comment section of his blog. Kroner uses Nazi symbolism to attack athiests so in no way am I pro-Kroner.
However, the atheists on that site not only mock KRONER but insult all Christians simply because they are Christian, not for any specific reason. I've been really irritated with FSTDTs tendency to hate on Christian fundamentalism much more often than Atheist hatred for Christians that is frequently just as offensive.
I also have a problem with FSTDTs tendency to attack conservative beliefs that don't actually have anything to do with religious fundamentalism. Sorry if I've gotten all serious, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
If you don't f***ing care about redeeming the lost, then you are not a follower of Christ, who commissioned his followers to make disciples of all nations. You certainly do not speak for Jesus, who said that he came not to call the righteous, but sinners.
If, on the other hand, you are saying that you are no longer going to spend your time harassing atheists on the assumption that you can irritate them into agreeing with you if you're persistent enough, I think we can all breath a sigh of relief.
@read the whole thing
Sounds like they could probably both afford to be on here. If you haven't already, you could submit the offending quotes from the atheist he's responding to.
After further reading, I call POE. Listen to this quote: "I have seen the living God standing naked above my bed on many nights...I was almost blinded by his righteous sack of magic."
THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY THAT WASN'T A JOKE!
I call POE. I mean come ON. Look at the site.
'There is true peace and false peace. You can only find true peace through God my friend. You can find false peace by dressing yourself up as a lady and running around with your dad punching horses in farms. What will it be? God? Or punching horses?'
There's no freakin' WAY this is serious.
(Or the guy is nuts, but that's equally not serious.)
@cdcdrr : It seems weird that people think the atheists may always be sock puppets or poes but the christian isn't. That said, who the fuck knows at this point? That entire site consists of crazy assumptions being made by everyone. The Christian and Atheist posts all seem so crazy that i can't decide who is real anymore. That site is like a treasure trove of poes law!
@Irish
It seems weird that people think the atheists may always be sock puppets or poes but the christian isn't. That said, who the fuck knows at this point?
Welcome to the internet folks. Isn't it fun?
@Irish
"It seems weird that people think the atheists may always be sock puppets or poes but the christian isn't."
Are. You. FREAKING. Kidding. Me!?
Just LOOK at the FSTDT comments section! It's an endless stream of "lol Poe" "totally a Poe" etc. etc. etc... But it's been proven over and over that Christians have zero qualms about flouting "thou shalt not assume the identity of thy opponent and spout ridiculous strawmen".
The difference with Atheists is that some(read: most) Christians are so eye-caressingly bugfuck stupid and insane, THERE'S NO NEED TO MAKE A STRAWMAN.
I’m on his lifeboat. You’re on the Titanic!
That doesn't worry me. I'll be saved by the giant dog-nosed octopus and a bunch of whales and taken to Atlantis, while you're stuck with that rapping dog for all eternity.
@ read the whole thing
If that's the case then, it's understandable.
That said, both guys are slime: One guy for his disgusting statement about the elderly & learning-impaired & The other guy for the nature of his angry, over-the-top response. If the latter was just a fit of anger (in which anyone would say or write stuff they regret later) then perhaps I should go easy on Tom.
In a nutshell, Religous Fundies, Anti-Theists (atheist fundies) & Hyper-Misanthropes and all buffoons who need therapy...unless they hurt people...then they need prison. Normal Theists,Atheists, Deists, Agnostics, Pantheists, etc., however, are just fine.
I've read the rest of this thread & I haven't looked at the guy's site, from what is described, it's an offensive Nazi-encrusted site with possible Poes & other insanity. I don't know the real story by the player(s) involved all sound like pure pond scum.
Don Kroner is a pompous windbag.
SpukiKitty: "Anti-Theists (atheist fundies)"
You obviously don't know what either atheism or antitheism means. Atheism has no "fundamentals" and antitheism is not the same thing as wanting to kill off elderly and impaired people.
the rest of the stuff on that site is fstdt worthy too.
atheist:
"I don’t like abortion either but to say it’s always wrong is going too far. You’re acting all high and mighty and telling people what to do.
Admittedly, there are some messed-up people who get several abortions because they can’t figure out birth control, but there are others who become impregnated outside of their control, and it’s completely unfair to force them to bring an unsupportable child into the world.
And you’ve got to realize that abortions will happen no matter what you do. If it becomes illegal, people are still going to take coat-hangers to alleyways and it’ll get a lot uglier than an abortion clinic."
him:
"I have the right to tell people how to live their lives because I am of God.
Coat hangers? What the hell are you talking about? Are you suggesting women stick coat hangers up their ass as some sort of depraved sexual gesture against God?
Clean your mind out, Atheist."
careful your idiocy is showing.
"...you will be going to Hell. I honestly don’t fucking care..."
I hate it when they use complex theological arguments when comparing themselves to deities. Resorting to fucking Christian fucking language when they're fucking offering fucking sophisticated fucking Bible imagery of drinking fucking alcohol whilst fantasizing about fucking Jesus Christ and fucking Bible God is particularly ... cont. page 94
Dear Don Pooner:
I am an atheist. No need to capitalize; we aren't part of a recognized multibillion-dollar world wide hierarchical scam. We don't wear funny clothes, and we aren't, generally speaking, impressed with ecclesiastical titles or obsessed with death. Also generally speaking, life is very precious to us because it's the only one we believe we have. Our apparent indifference to abortion is primarily caused by people like you wielding wide tar brushes. Secondary causes include minding one's own business and the lack of a runaway imagination when it comes to a clump of proto-human cells.
You do not speak for Jesus. That bears repeating. You do not speak for Jesus even if he is no more than a legendary pastiche of living and imagined prophets and god-bastards.
When you and I are rotting in the ground with zero brain activity, I promise we won't care any more. The rest is all a desperate delusion in your brain because you are that afraid to die. It's really all in your head, put there by people who get paid to do so, and some who believe you would be a complete maniac without this grandiose lie to keep you afraid.
Do you have a better understanding of what it means to be atheistic now?
PS: If you're a Poe, please start using smiley faces. Otherwise, you're a trolling jerk.
@Gypsin
It's obvious it's a Poe. Any nimrod, even fundies, understands the "coathanger" thing. It's a well-known meme. If Don Kroner were legit, he would have responded with something stupid like:
"If a sinful girl must abort her unborn child with a coathanger, that's the price she must pay for her a-whorin' harlotry!"
Not some off-color non-sequitur involving anal masturbation. Consider also the totally bizarre line about dressing in drag & punching a horse or something.
This is just another one of those trollish, satirical, provoking sites, y'know, like Maddox's "The Best Page In The Universe". I call them "Troll Blogs" or "Troll Sites". Some troll by leaving stupid comments on messages boards. Some troll with videos. Some troll by directing folks to shock sites....and some troll by creating blogs that are meant to be mean & inflamitory.
Oh how very uncaring and sociopathic you are. You are also claiming to speak for Jesus, but if he really cares for everyone without exception, well, that means he cares for everyone without exception. Do you really think Jesus would want to hang with anyone who is as big a jerk as you?
And your word derivation is atrocious. If you add a Greek prefix that ends in a vowel to another word which begins in a vowel, then the last letter in the prefix is dropped. Your domain name should be antatheism.info, but that is just the icing on the cake of fail here.
It doesn't work that way. You die, you go in a box and worms eat you. Or you get burned up and the ashes given back to your family. OR, they liquefy you using potassium hydroxide at 180°C and 10 atmospheres of pressure.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9577543.stm
They can throw me in a ditch, I'll be past caring at that point. :o)
Prove hell, and heaven, exist.
You will answer that it's in the Bible.
But I come back and demand that you prove the Bible is God's word. You cannot. And at this point the basis of you self-satisfied, smug comments about atheists collapse into a heap of fly-ridden manure.
The onus is on you Don, to prove your contentions before you take an infantile, uppity view of others.
Finally, the Bible does not prove the Bible, not is there any externa; record that God handed it to man. Internal evidence is worthless - like your comments.
"If you’re an Atheist, your life might be worthless. Indeed you will be going to Hell. I honestly don’t fucking care anymore. Neither does Jesus. We’re both the same. I’m on his lifeboat. You’re on the Titanic!
When I’m on the decks of Heaven sipping a cocktail I will not even pour a drop of Martini down to cool your tongue because I know you’d just spit it back into an unborn baby’s eye."
(*YAWN *)
And to reiterate what Xotan says, Donny-boy:
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I am a christian, But I don't think aheists are that bad.
They just want a full life, Without any worship tying them down.
I would at least think they would go to Purgatory, But not hell.
I cannot believe someone is that freaking hostile because someone does not believe in a god (yes,even after being here for almost a year I don't believe it)! It's people like these that make me agnostic, or at least skeptical.
At least the churches (and Christians) in my neighborhood are not only kind, but do good other than praying, such as running homeless shelters. They are probably the only reason I am an agnostic and not a full-blown atheist.
EDIT: I know I said I was Catholic before, but now I'm not so sure. I really want to distance myself from this kind of hostility, and until fundie churches and militias and terrorist groups cease to exist, faith in general will always be saddled with a bad rap. :(
Isn't it the Christians who think that life is worthless, and that true fulfillment will come in the afterlife?
Because I am quite sure that there is no afterlife, life itself becomes incredibly precious to me. Every moment is unique, and will not come again when it is gone. Why waste this small time of wonder that a quirk of nature has given us by spoiling it with religious madness?
"Don Kroner" doesn't sound like he is happy. Pure maliciousness drips from every word of his senseless rant. This fundie post is one of the best examples that religion does NOT automatically give someone strength and peace of mind.
And now, "Wishful Thinking" entry number 75 from Don, "the Martini sipping asshole," Kroner! Let's give him a round of applause folks.
[font=Impact]Obvious POE![/font]
Seriously, how did this one sneak past the radar? As if bragging about sipping martinis in heaven with Jesus weren't completely ridiculous in its own right, the rest of the site screams "TROLL!" even morethe Hitler imagery, the bizarre and absurd taunts, the ambiguous self-deification, the over-the-top strawmen "atheists" responding to this equally over-the-top strawman "Christian"all of it.
I have to admit it all made me lol, though.
@Think or GTFO:
Come to think about it, it seems to me that Poe has evolved two different (but related) meanings at FSTDT, depending on context. This dual function seems to have developed here due to the nature of the site.
Poe is generally used when it's hard to tell if the poster is being sincere or not (the original definition of Poe's law). On the other hand, at FSTDT, Poe can also indicate that the poster is blatantly not sincere, or in other words, they're being a troll/flamebaiter/satirist/etc. In this case, the intensity of Poe and Obvious Poe would be roughly the difference between emphatically and most emphatically .
Of course, whether this is a proper extension of the term Poe is a whole other story. :p /ramble
The worst and most annoying Christian fundie argument:
"Agree or burn in hell!"
You're not going to change anybody's mind that way, especially since if they already are afraid of going to hell for non-belief then they already believe. Either way you're wasting your breath.
@Sagan's Ghost
"I just glanced at this persons website. It looks like he is doing all the 'atheist' postings himself. There are too many linguistic similarities in his alleged atheist posts that would leave one to believe this 'clever' person is talking to himself - a mental masturbationist if you will."
Just as the 'forum' (*bursts out laughing *) of He Who Must Not Be Named', T**y B****s, is essentially a crusty wanking sock in HTML form; also a power trip for him, should any poor unsuspecting soul deign to join it, and not be precisely like him (everyone else there is a sockpuppet), beliefs-wise, via him dropping the b&hammer on them.
"When I’m on the decks of Heaven sipping a cocktail I will not even pour a drop of Martini down to cool your tongue because I know you’d just spit it back into an unborn baby’s eye."
Of course I would: I don't drink.
The decks of Heaven? Are you shitting me?
Anyway, isn't it only the soul that supposedly goes to heaven or to hell? How does a soul hold a Martini and drink it?
Just curious, is all.
The only consistent definition of Hell I can find (other than a lie to make fundies feel better) is that it is separation from God, which is exactly like this world. Therefore, we're already there, and so are you.
@ Anon-e-moose
That's too many letters for "Hastur".
(No, really, who is this that you are talking about? My curiousity is now killing me!)
@CanadianBroad
Oh, my apologies. 'He Who Must Not Be Named'* is a notorious Canadian fundie spammer, who trolls anywhere & everywhere on the internet to anyone who he thinks is interested (and even if they're not ).
He claims he has the 'ultimate truth' via his '4 Step Proof of God' - which is essentially one of the most pathetic excuses for the Cosmological Argument (which has been annihilated many times, but he sticks his fingers in his ears & shouts 'LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!').
His forum - if it can be defined as such - is basically him & sockpuppets (essentially a wanking sock in HTML form):
http://biblocality.com/forums/forum.php
And anyone who deigns to join such - with even so much as a subatomic particle of critical thinking - he'll ban them.
*- 'T**y B****s'. Place the letters 'ro' in the first word, and 'rook' in the second, to get his full name. This is a measure to prevent him Googling his name and him infecting this place again, in case he tries again (via a proxy) to post here after Distind IP banned him for his previous spamming of FSTDT.
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