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So the people who brought slavery to an end, the Tea Partiers, evangelicals; they are the ones; that's the type of American that brought slavery to an end. Why? Because we rejected Sharia law and its legitimization of slavery and we said, "look. uh, slavery, the slave trade is wrong. It is pernicious. It's wicked. It's evil for people to be bought and sold like that; like chattel. It's a horrible offense against God and against His law." It was evangelical Christians that led the drive to abolish slavery. Don't ever forget that. That's a moment for which we, the evangelicals of the church of Jesus Christ can be justly and rightly proud. Don't let anybody take you away from that. The credit for the abolition of slavery goes to evangelical Christians.

Bryan Fischer, American Family Association 101 Comments [10/20/2011 3:20:40 AM]
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Berry Caluroso

_Shariah law?_ Oh, I thought this nation was founded on _Christian principles._

10/20/2011 3:46:26 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Sharia Law/Christian Principles - Tomayto/Tomahto

10/20/2011 3:54:03 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

The credit for the abolition of slavery goes to evangelical Christians.

christianity - changing facts and history for nearly two thousand years.

10/20/2011 3:56:56 AM

Tatch

Ah, so slavery was those damn Muslim's fault. Gotcha.

10/20/2011 3:58:13 AM

whatever

"The credit for the abolition of slavery goes to evangelical Christians."

No it doesn't.

10/20/2011 4:10:54 AM

jsonitsac

Um, for all you FSTDTers who are denying that Evangelical Christians were a part the abolitionist movement I suggest you read about the early history of the Baptists in America (in the south, before the revolution they found themselves in jail for opposing slavery and teaching blacks to read the Bible), people like Henry Ward Beecher, or William Lloyd Garrison.

I'm not saying he's right for saying the "Tea Party" abolished slavery but for as many people using religion to justify the practice there were also many (often with stronger convictions) who opposed it.

10/20/2011 4:17:02 AM



Yeah because the Bible doesn't advocate slavery. No way, not at all...ahem

10/20/2011 4:19:24 AM

TB Tabby

Thank you for the lovely birthday present, Bryan! A bullshit quote about slavery is just what I always wanted!

It was Evangelical Christians who openly supported slavery and used the Bible to justify it. It was Evangelical Christians who said black people were descendants of Ham and were decreed by God to be slaves. It was Evangelical Christians who had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Age of Enlightenment. And Sharia Law had FUCK ALL to do with slavery in America.

EDIT: And yeah, we know there were evangelicals who opposed slavery. We don't deny the existence of good, moral theists. But the more we actually study their so-called moral guides, the more we realize that they are good in spite of their religious beliefs, not because of them.

10/20/2011 4:20:05 AM

shykid

The Tea Partiers brazenly support policies (or, more precisely, a lack thereof) which result in wage slavery and deplorable working conditions for the middle class. Nice try.

10/20/2011 4:21:55 AM

Godless heathen

Sharia law has nothing to do with the abolition of slavery. An early example http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somersett%27s_case has no mention of sharia law.

I have to say that in spite of the lack of knowledge of history and the blatant failure to do any research, at least this fundie isn't advocating slavery.

10/20/2011 4:25:18 AM

Gawd


Is this from the Michele Bachmann College of History?

10/20/2011 4:29:18 AM

David B.

"Cotton is king, and Pro-slavery Arguments"
Edited by E. N. Elliott (1860).

Including:
"The Bible argument: or, Slavery in the light of divine revelation." by Thornton Stringfellow (baptist).
"The Bible argument on slavery." By Charles Hodge (evangelical).

Or I could have referred to the letters and sermons of Samuel Dunwoody (methodist), Alexander McCain (methodist), George Armstrong (presbyterian), David Ewart (baptist), William Capers (methodist), James Thornwell (presbyterian), J. B. Thrasher (methodist).

Even John Holt Rice, editor and publisher of the Virginia Evangelical and Literary Magazine included (in 1826) pro-slavery arguments from contributors and said emancipation of the slaves was "out of the question". His main concern was that slaves should be instructed in Christianity, so that their souls were not in peril.

Many evangelicals supported slavery, just as many bapists, methodists, etc. opposed it. The particular flavour of Christianity, nor even being Christian at all, does not correlate with being pro- or anti-slavery.

Hell, some evangelicals used the bible to support the secession of the South, saying Paul told "True Christians(tm)" like themselves to withdraw from the company of "corrupt minds, destitute of the truth" (after 1 Timothy 6).

10/20/2011 4:34:38 AM

Mister Spak

The teabaggers were the people who brought us slavery and Jim Crow and bedsheet boys. They didn't stop until liberals rammed civil rights for all down their throats. Even then, they elected Ronal Reagan on a platform to end civil rights laws, and even now, 30 years later, they still worship the ground his dead body is rotting in.

The credit for slavery goes to evangelical christians. The credit for ending it goes to Americans.

10/20/2011 4:40:37 AM



I don't need Christianity nor Islam nor any other religion to tell me that slavery is inherently wrong and evil. It is inhuman to those captive in its tentacles and is a blight on any country that supports it.

10/20/2011 4:45:01 AM

ergo

"It was evangelical Christians that led the drive to abolish slavery."

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10/20/2011 4:51:19 AM

Horus IX

Wow...seriously? Bryan....are you off your meds again? While there may have been Christians who stood up and denounced slavery - It took PROGRESSIVES, regardless of religion, to end it. Also, Non-Sequitur of the Month: Sharia Law in Slavery days? How the fuck did you get that? I'm betting you pulled it out your ass.

10/20/2011 4:51:41 AM

D Laurier

Slavery was abolished by secular states that realized that slavery was wrong.
Religious leaders tended to oppose the abolitionists.
Most of the Teabaggers would just as happily revive slavery if it added to their convenience.

10/20/2011 4:56:08 AM

Ormspryde

Nothing like the subtle aroma of COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT in the morning!

10/20/2011 5:11:44 AM

MarylandBear

Uuuummm.... the largest conservative/evangelical denomination in America today is the Southern Baptists. They split from the American Baptists (a relatively liberal denomination today) because the southerners wanted to own 'em some darkies. To be fair, they did eventually apologize for that... in 1995.

The anti-slavery churches were the ancestors of today's Unitarians and Quakers, among others.

10/20/2011 5:30:14 AM

Dan Onymous

Did you, by any chance, fight to bring slavery to an end just so you weren't responsible for their healthcare any more?

10/20/2011 5:31:14 AM

dionysus

So the people who brought slavery to an end, the Tea Partiers

What? How? The movement started this freaking decade! Even if you consider all modern Republicans as part of the Tea Party movement, modern Republicans had their beginning with Reagan. No matter how you slice it it'd require a time machine for this to be true!

evangelicals; they are the ones

Tea Party=/=evangelicals. Mormons, some Catholics, and many other groups are part of it too. But thanks for admitting that this movement is really religiously motivated.

Because we rejected Sharia law

They had Sharia Law back in the beginning of the 1800s? How strange especially since Muslims have never been a large portion of the population.

It's a horrible offense against God and against His law.

Dear god, you're even wrong when it comes to the Bible. How do you manage to be this persistently wrong? Are you trying very hard or is this all coming naturally to you?

The credit for the abolition of slavery goes to evangelical Christians.

Correction, the credit goes to SOME evangelical Christians (as well as members of other Christian denominations too, but you're trying to spread propaganda so I guess acknowledging others is out of the question, right?), not ALL of them and I guaran-fucking-tee that if the modern Tea Partiers were alive in the 1800s they'd be vehemently against abolition on the grounds that it would "hurt the economy". Tea Partiers are NOT progressive social reformers they are regressive economic reformers with many members that are also regressive social reformers (for example, those that want gays to have no rights and those that want to make America into a theocracy). Modern liberals are the ones fighting for the rights of various minorities (such as homosexuals, atheists, latinos, etc.) and that makes them FAR more similar to those taht were against abolition than any Tea Partier could ever hope to be.

10/20/2011 5:31:40 AM

Jesus Klingon

So the Derp South was a hotbed of Sharia Law?

10/20/2011 5:34:53 AM



Funny that christian church didn't object to slavery in general much less, systematic purge of native americans.

10/20/2011 5:56:49 AM

Gypsin

Your history teacher would be ashamed if he/she saw this. your failure can be seen from the moon no doubt.

10/20/2011 6:01:21 AM

Raised by Horses

Yeah, and Pol Pot fought for democracy and free speech. Bryan, we already knew that you'd failed history forever, but this humdinger would merit a grade of 'X' rather than a mere 'F'.


@Dionysus

He means the original Boston Tea Party, although the two have nothing in common. The modern day Teabagger movement is simply claiming the name in a feeble attempt to lend their reactionary group some measure of respectability. It's painfully transparent, if you ask me.

@Everyone

Doesn't "Sharia" mean "law"? If so, isn't the "law" part kinda redundant?

10/20/2011 6:02:07 AM

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