So there is now Usama bin Laden and before there was Osama bin Laden.
They must be two different persons, the Usama bin Laden they got during the raid in Pakistan not being the same man as the OBL who has already died some 8 or 9 years ago.
I find it truly amazing how they come up with these new fabricated things, there is even a "Osama/Usama home video".
What will they be coming up with next? I have no idea.
Do they really think we are that stupid to believe all their crapola?
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Well before there was either Usama or Osama bin Laden, there was ????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? ????. Do you see? It's a different alphabet. Sometimes translators have to use their best judgement when it comes to approximating a word from one alphabet to the other.
So to sum up:
1. There is no crapola here.
2. But if they do think you're stupid, you're not exactly going out of your way to prove them wrong.
Edit: For some reason the Arabic letters have been translated into question-marks, slightly undermining my point. Fume.
Some agency kept files in a listing by the first three letters. Someone got ticked off about USAma bin Laden's file, so it got changed to OSAma bin Laden.
(Or so goes one story I've seen. Take it for what it's worth.)
I'm going to make it really really simple for you, since you're a Jonesdroid and your critical thinking is obviously not that great. OK?
ALL Arab names are subject to a degree of variance in their Romanised forms. For example Yusuf, Yousef and Yusef are all interchangable as Arabic versions of Joseph. Usama and Osama? Same deal. Got that?
"Do they really think we are that stupid to believe all their crapola?"
No, but I'm certain most of us know YOU'RE stupid.
@Bollox
Ah! I see what you did there
@Doubting Thomas
Damn. You scooped me on that one.
... Yeahhh. One can only hope that these people continue to have a voice, to drive others away from their paranoid retardation.
"I have no idea."
How true.
Most English dialects don't have a true rounded /u/ sound, so we substituted it for /o/, its closest English equivalent. On the other hand, most other languages do have /u/, so that peculiarity of English wasn't actually taken into account when bin Laden's name was first Romanized. Moving on...
The Cold War is actually still going on.The Soviets only deposed some guy named Gorbatchev, but, to this day, the real man, ????????, is pulling the strings from behind the Putin/Medvedev/George Soros facade.We know this to be true.
Dipshit, do you realize Arabic (and Farsi, and Urdu) use a DIFFERENT ALPHABET from ours? Do you realize that all such names must be transcribed, and that even the most accurate transcriptions will vary from one transcriber to another? If not, you'll soon be asserting that Muammar/ Moammar Ghaddafi/ Khadaffy/Kadafi/ Qaddafi, etc, ad infinitem, ad nauseam, was six or seven different people, and the rest of them are still alive.
I wish these people could understand that Arabic is a very beautiful language (yes I speak it but not well enough) that is also spoken by Jews and Christians.
Although to be fair the Yemenis who looked after me in Israel do talk a dialect that no one else can understand.
Well, if you're an expert in Arabic alphabet and grammar, you may have a point. But since you're most probably monolingual and think that everywhere is America, I say BULLSHIT.
Arabic doesn't have a written "O", only an "U", and even that is only reached by adding a diacritic to the letter "w".
However, the "U" is classical Arabic while most modern dialects have an "O" sound for the long vowel instead, espacially in contractions.
The most prominent example is the socalled "Hezbollah". This is actually the "Hisbu 'Allahi" "the party of God" (the s in hisb is usually written with a dot beneath it and is spoken much sharper than an English s).
In the Southern Libanese dialect, the i in hisb in the closed syllable sounds more like a short e, and the classical Arabic undetermined ending -u is dropped, resp. assimilatied with the dark 'a- in Allah and becomes an "o" sound. The stress in on the third syllable, not the second.
Somehow I don't think shipgeek cares much about things like that.
Good theory. I've had my combined first and last names spelled at least six different ways that I can remember, so there must be six of me.
The one thing you got spot on is when you wrote "Ihave no idea." You don't, and nobody could be blamed for thinkling you are stupid.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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