Santorum told the editorial board of the Nashua Telegraph this week, “There are many on the left and in the scientific community, so to speak, who are afraid of that discussion because oh my goodness you might mention the word, God-forbid, ‘God’ in the classroom, or ‘Creator,’ or that there may be some things that are inexplainable by nature where there may be, where it’s better explained by a Creator. It’s very interesting that you have a situation that science will only allow things in the classroom that are consistent with a non-Creator idea of how we got here, as if somehow or another that’s scientific. Well maybe the science points to the fact that maybe science doesn’t explain all these things.”
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Any moron that still believes in a six day creation, or in a 5000 year old earth, or a universal flood, or painted stick animal husbandry, or any of a host of bronze age babble is not fit to hold public office.
'or that there may be some things that are inexplainable by nature where there may be, where it’s better explained by a Creator'
Go on then, give one example of this. Just ONE. Then science will get back in its box and you can go back to dying of smallpox and burning witches or whatever it is you guys like doing
More and more I'm realizing that this stuff is due to plain old scientific illiteracy, in the sense that people like ol' Frothy don't realize that actual biology moved beyond debating evolution to finding answers to other questions over a hundred years ago. We don't think that light is waves in the aether anymore, either.
In what cases is it beter to explain something by a creator? That just smacks of laziness. How far do you think the human race would have progressed if, every time we didn't fully understand something, we just gave up and said "oh it's beyond explanation", or "goddidit"? We'd still be living in caves and holes in the ground. Open a book occasionally, you massive hemorrhoid on the posterior of a nation.
Since you won´t allow Hindu, Islam or any other religion outside Christianity to be taught in class, we´re all even, eh?
"well, maybe the science points to the fact that maybe science doesn't explain all these things"
If it did, then science would be kind of pointless.
Saying that science should take anything unexplainable and just chalk it up to a creator is lazy, counter-productive and just stupid. The of one the key purposes of science is to try to explain the currently unexplainable. It looks for answers, without using God as a default. If science just said, "I don't know. God must have done it" and called it a day with every question, then we would be still be living in huts and have a life expectancy of about 30.
Science is the process by which humans seek to explain the inexplicable. If we can't explain it yet, we simply don't have the necessary measuring equipment and observational skills yet.
God did it is a hypothesis that has yet to be substantiated in any meaningful form; when/if we find God, we'll have to ask Him/Her/It, but 'til then, don't use an unsubstantiated hypothesis and treat it as a valid theory in a science class. It's simply bad form.
EDIT: And this fellow is running for President? God, save us from your followers.
If you want to claim that Dionysus, or Shango, or Quetzalcoatl is the explanation of various phenomena, you go right ahead. There's more than one god, you know.
there may be some things that are inexplainable by nature where there may be, where it’s better explained by a Creator
That wasn't me that robbed that bank, it was God! Hey, I think I'm starting to like this way of thinking!
“There are many on the left and in the scientific community, so to speak, who are afraid of that discussion because oh my goodness you might mention the word, God-forbid, God’ in the classroom, or Creator,’ or that there may be some things that are inexplainable by nature where there may be, where it’s better explained by a Creator. It’s very interesting that you have a situation that science will only allow things in the classroom that are consistent with a non-Creator idea of how we got here, as if somehow or another that’s scientific. Well maybe the science points to the fact that maybe science doesn’t explain all these things.”
...meanwhile, China is making further advancements in gene-based research, and in other scientific fields, not hamstrung by 'religion' in their schools/colleges/universities in any way, shape or form.
Truly it can be said that in Soviet China, God worships you .
China was once the most advanced civilisation, centuries, nay thousands of years ago. What goes around comes around...!
No. We are tired of our discussions with you ending up with YOUR mentioning God at every turn and insisting that all of your unsupported beliefs must be treated as truth and respected.
That science doesn't yet explain all things is irrelevent. Making up an explanation does not further knowledge.
Notice how he says, "Maybe the science points to". He doesn't actually have any proof or evidence, just hot air.
"Maybe the science points to". Ha! What bullshit. You got nothin' and you know it, and you're being deliberately vague because you're a presidential candidate who KNOWS that if you make any specific lie or bullshit claim to back up this God-in-science nonsense, EVERYONE with the SLIGHTEST bit of sense would be able to disprove it and show you to be the fraud you are, with no understanding of REAL science whatsoever.
Supernatural sky-faeries and gods of the gaps have no place in science Rick.
And besides Rick you seem awfully confident that by teaching kids there is a "Creator" they will immediately convert to Christianity. If I seem to recall Hinduism has a deity who is specifically referred to as the Creator, Lord Brahman.
No, you fuckin' idiot. The reason why sane people won't allow religion to be taught in school is because it poisons the mind with falsehoods, most of which are so ridiculously false that we can't help but laugh at adults who still believe them, and renders students unable to distinguish between that which is true and the fantasies of raving lunatics. In fact; the blind support for morons like "Man-dog Boy" is all the proof I need that people who reach adulthood while still Believing those silly fantasies are fundamentally incapable of recognizing lies and the liars who tell them.
"There are many on the left and in the scientific community, so to speak, who are afraid of that discussion because oh my goodness you might mention the word, God-forbid, 'rising sign' in the classroom, or 'natal chart' or that there may be some things that are inexplainable by nature where there may be, where it’s better explained by the position of the planets."
Same argument, different pseudo-science.
If we were to hold the Bible to the scientific method it wouldn't have made it past the 16th century.
Why do we keep giving the Bible preferential treatment when it should be buried with heliocentrism and Lamarckian inheritance?
Face it. No one named Rick can win the election this year.
By the way, you CAN mention God or talk about God in a classroom. However, you cannot have "teachings" based solely on religion.
FURTHERMORE, it's people like you who are contributing to America's education problem. Your religious beliefs are not as important as a child's education.
omg... The name Rick Santorum somehow seemed familiar and I googled him... this guy actually wants to run for President?
So, let's get this straight. A guy says: "If we can't explain something, let's just say God dit it." He actually says that stuff in science classes should not be done scientific?
Sorry. But if anyone over here in Germany would say and run for Chancellor in the elections, they would be laughed out of the country! Come on... how seriously fixated on religion must a country be so that a person like that may run for President in the second-biggest party you have?
Guys, I vote you just give up, let them have their fundie-land and come over here to Europe. We have a few troubles with our currency, but I guess we can work that out.
(The last paragraph is not to be considered serious, the rest is though!)
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1.biologists found the words "I Satan made this" hidden in the genome of everything on earth. They keep it a secret so you Christians can sleep well at night.
2.science does not consider supernatural causes.
You can pick which is true.
In the future people will ask a rising political persona "what inspired you into politics?" They will say, Rick Santorum, then explain how people like him become rulers when rational people fail to challenge their drivel.
At least he can always go back to Fox News to spew his drivel after he fails.
Listen, Rick...one reason is there is no evidence for God. Another is just because science does not explain it it does not equal God. Schools are to teach kids facts so they can advance in life, not teach myths and hearsay because you choose to be a twit
"there may be some things that are inexplainable by nature"
Well, if you're really, really stupid.
I'm with Rick, we should mention god(s) in science classes.
It's frightening to see superstitious nonsense in someone that has risen so high in the public arena. it's also scary how many there are like him and how every damn one is science ignorant, socially uneducated, historically deluded, fiscally unqualified, career mandate fraudulent and truth impaired. Every one. They lie every time they give a speech, they waste time on issues not related to actual concerns and situations.
Promoting religion is directly against their pledge of office to the constitution and state rights. Yet dozens operate this way now, talking religion in the public square and dirty deals with each other and corporations in private office.
America, please scrub these criminals from your system. In the next election have every polling station watched and triple checked. Start removing tax-exempt status for churchs that campaign for people like Santorum, that's been allowed for far too many years despite it being a rule for religious tax-exempt privileages.
Leave science to the scientists
There is no left in your country, Mr Santorum. There is only center-right, right and ultra right.
I'm not afraid to mention God, I just think he has no place in Natural Science. He has a place among all the other gods in Religion studies, though.
Goddidit will never be a better explanation, it's a cop-out, that is all. It's an "I don't know, so let's just skip it" kind of answer.
We will only allow things in the classroom that are consistent with reality, in classes that deals with reality. In magic classes - in other words Theology - then you can talk about gods and deities till the cows come home for all I care. I kinda liked Religion studies, actually. The Aesir gods, the Greek and Roman gods, and the Abrahamic trinity God/Allah/YHWH. I can recite quite a lot of the Gospel of Luke, Chapter 2, verses 1-20 (in Swedish), thanks to my wonderful Religion and Swedish teacher in grades 4th through 6th.
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