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One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a libertarianish right. You know, the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far right that they touch each other. They come around in the circle. This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.

Rick Santorum, Cato@Liberty 74 Comments [1/10/2012 3:57:08 AM]
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Kinderklein

Rick, this is about gays, is it not?

1/10/2012 4:52:28 AM



Yeah right. The left is not left at all.

1/10/2012 5:12:57 AM

Table Rock

Yeah, you are totally a moderate.

1/10/2012 5:13:53 AM

Bollox

Apart from the wacky idea that the 'left' in the US is in any way extreme, this is ... well, quite coherent and sensible, actually, taken at face value.

1/10/2012 5:17:41 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."

- Why is it that when a democrat says that, they get branded as a "socialist?"

1/10/2012 5:50:07 AM



They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want.

Ya know, that Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness thang.

(Yes, I know this is from the Declaration of Independence and not the US Constitution. Still applicable here for a snarky retort to Frothy Mixture.)

1/10/2012 6:22:48 AM

Personal Failure

Wait, is Mr. No Abortions Ever, Not Ever! criticizing his fellow Republicans for not embracing personal autonomy?

Um . . .

1/10/2012 6:41:47 AM

A White Dude With AIDS

"that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom"

Dude, Rick has a problem here. You don't involve yourself with what people do in their own homes because it's basically destroying their right to pursuit of happiness. People should ALL be allowed to be happy, all be allowed to marry or fuck whoever they want. That's fucking wrong to interfere. How would you like it if the government said you couldn't fuck your wife anymore? You'd be pissed! Go get a brain and come back and run in, say, 600 years.

"we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues."

That's not the government's fucking JOB. Their job is to provide for the general welfare of the country, not fuck with how people want to, well, fuck.

"This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view."

Apparently not, since you guys think you control everyone but tell everyone that you are the minority. People make their own choices as to their own best interests, and just because you're butthurt that a black man is in the White House, that doesn't mean you can say that we have no autonomy and can't make our own choices.

Fuck you, your god, and everyone who supports your dumb ass, Mr. Dick Mixture of Lube and Feces.

1/10/2012 6:42:02 AM

Raised by Horses

Well, no. It's more like the Left in the U.S. has shifted so far right over the past few decades that they make the Right look left.

I think I just went crosseyed.

1/10/2012 6:42:18 AM

dionysus

"The truth is that men are tired of liberty."
-Mussolini

1/10/2012 7:01:03 AM

Doubting Thomas

the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far right that they touch each other.

No, they don't. They are polar opposites of the political spectrum, and the far left is nothing like the far right.

They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. ... Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world

No shit, Captian Obvious. This is why people don't want to vote for you or your fellow Republitards. There's a reason people enjoy personal freedom.

1/10/2012 7:15:44 AM

navelgazer

Rick,
Stop it with the false equivalence. The "Left" and the center didn't go anywhere.

PS you're an asshat.

1/10/2012 7:16:00 AM

carmen sandiego

It's unfortunate he mentioned the bedroom, because the premise here, outside of context is fantastic.

I mean . . . . "That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."


Absolutely totally yes.

1/10/2012 7:16:46 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

@Bollox

That's what I thought at first. Then, on re-read, I realized he was talking about legislating sexuality.

1/10/2012 7:21:50 AM

Robespierre

There's a left?
Stay in your own bedroom, perv.

1/10/2012 7:33:45 AM

Mister Spak

"That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."

That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical social conservatism and that it succeeds as a culture. That's why we want you to live in Saudi Arabia and keep the fuck away from real Americans.


Also what Dr Shrinker said.

1/10/2012 7:44:34 AM

WWWWolf

> You know, the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far right that they touch each other. They come around in the circle.

Or it just could be that, you know, people have complex opinions on major issues that can't be always crammed into left-or-right boxes, and anyone who tries to do that is an idiot.

If you're paranoid about whether or not your opinions are in line with this simplistic pigeonholing, you'll just end up like Andy Schlafly, declaring whether specific words are "conservative" in nature or not, and throwing fits if someone uses Liberal Style(tm). The path to madness.

1/10/2012 8:34:30 AM

John

Umberto Eco saw political opinions as a two way matrix: moral and financial. He characterized them as:

Conservatives: want the government to stay out of their pockets but are happy to have them stick their noses in the bedroom.

Liberals: the other way around.

Socialists: Happy to have the government stick its nose into either.

Libertarians: want the government out of both.

Rick is a classic conservative. He's all for "radical individualism" in financial matters, but has no problem with the government enforcing his particular moral principles on the rest of us.

1/10/2012 9:09:01 AM

Bollox

@ Noneofyourbusiness:

Which is why I added 'taken at face value'. Not being a 'merkin, I sometimes can't hear the dog-whistles.

1/10/2012 9:09:52 AM

Mister Spak

@Bollox:

American conservatives come in different type who hear different dog whistles, even when reading the same text. When someone like Santorum is talking about eliminating environmental regulations because conservatism is about freedom, the fundie conservatives will understand lack of regulations does not apply to homos in their bedroom, while libertarian conservatives will understand he's talking about all regulation, including homos in their bedroom.

When the 2 groups start comparing notes, they'll get ino an arguement about which one of them is the "real" conservatives.

1/10/2012 9:34:52 AM

JSS

Um, yeah. Libertarianism, liberty, kind of sounds like what our Founding Fathers had in mind don't you think? A government where everybody is free to live their lives as they see fit so long as they don't violate individual rights. You know the first motto that appeared on American pennies was 'Mind your own Business' right?

Your whole stance on 'regulating the bedroom' seems to come right out of the religious stranglehold in Salem during the latter half of the seventeenth century. These 'traditional conservatives' you mention sound more like Mussolini types, and I'm sure 'radical individualism' sounds much better than the radical cultural dictatorship you seem to be leaning towards.

1/10/2012 9:36:51 AM

Reynardine

Government is there to make sure everyone goes to church, all women are forced to make babies, and no one is ever allowed to enjoy sex that isn't approved by the white, male elite. That's small government- governing the small. On the other hand, building roads, controlling menaces to public health, and regulating corporations is big government, because it attempts to regulate the big "people", and everyone knows big government is bad.

1/10/2012 9:53:55 AM



"we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom"

which is why you want to outlaw gay sex right? Fucking idiot.

1/10/2012 9:55:30 AM

Anon-e-moose

"One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a libertarianish right. You know, the left has gone so far left and the right in some respects has gone so far right that they touch each other. They come around in the circle."

You've been watching the anime series "Panty & Stocking (with Garterbelt)", haven't you (P)Rick. The notion of Panty screwing her way through so many men, she goes right round the 'whore circle' that she goes right back to being a virgin, regenerated hymen & all, you've somehow got it in your 0-dimensional mind that this equates with the behaviour of those not exactly like you, amirite?

Keep it up, Mr. Rantsorbum. You'll go so far in your delusion - and mayhaps being in that closet yourself, hmmmmmm?! - that one day you'll become electable.

But you haven't got long to go though, (P)Ricky-boy. You might be the darling of the Teabagger set with your foaming fundie frothings, but trust me, by appealing to such a niche electorate, you'll have to go the way of Batscat Shelly, or risk utter humiliation by being beaten by Mitt Romney. As per Iowa, now New Hampshire. And the latter is more secular - as in moderate Republicans & the all-important election-deciding, nay, candidate-killing swing-voters.

I think you'll find, Mr. Rantsorbum, that as the months go on, you're going to have to ditch the gay-bashing and moderate your speech to even go half-way to appeal to these more individualistic voters. Ah, but then risk alienating your precious arse-kissing Teabagger electorate.

The minority. The majority. One 'traditional conservatives', the other individuals. To quote the ED of the anime series "K-ON!":


1/10/2012 10:20:12 AM

Berny

Rick, you want your type of government to ban gay sex, ban abortion, ban birth control, ban freedom of religion, etc.
The kind of "conservative" control you would implement most of your forebears fought to defeat in WWII.

1/10/2012 10:24:00 AM

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