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And yet, the innermost circles of Hell are supposed to be incredibly cold. This does not appear to match current observations of Earth's core.
1/21/2012 12:52:44 PM
@TheReasonator, I don't know why you think science has lost its imagination. Just look at any applied technology.
Yes, there are things that science doesn't understand or can't explain. But the supernatural does not exist. Astrology could be harmless, an amusement and little more. But the moment people actually make changes to their plans because of something in their horoscope, that's when it ceases to be harmless.
The same is true for the mythology of any religion. We regard ancient Greek mythology with a mixture of curiosity and bemusement. It is -- in this day and age -- a harmless religion. When we start doing that with other religions, they will become harmless too
1/21/2012 12:55:02 PM
You FAIL geology forever.
1/21/2012 12:56:00 PM
So the big threat from your god is that my non-corporeal essence will be remanded to the molten core of the very material planet?
Can you see why that's really not worrying me?
1/21/2012 12:56:07 PM
i like to go to heaven for the climid but love to go to hell for the comeny
1/21/2012 1:15:35 PM
i like to go to heaven for the climid but love to go to hell for the compeny(sorry)
1/21/2012 1:16:42 PM
I Read About The Afterlife
Actually, Hell's in Michigan.
1/21/2012 1:18:00 PM
OK, so Hell is a real place.
Where's the Heaven, then?
1/21/2012 1:22:57 PM
FLAMING HOT LAVA
OK, so it was "Liquid Hot Magma" so sue me!
1/21/2012 1:24:52 PM
And once you give this piece of unfounded fearmongering the proper enema...
1/21/2012 1:35:43 PM
...millions of lost souls forever...
Only millions? Wouldn't at billions be more accurate even assuming that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
Then again, fundies seem to be quite terrible with numbers containing more than few digits...
1/21/2012 1:47:23 PM
Souls locked up in Volcanoes?
1/21/2012 1:58:54 PM
It doesn't have to be supernatural. If you read carefully the sort of astrology I propose may exist would involve the effects of the physics of photons from space on social psychology over the course of history if it could be proven.
Isn't it more likely that on some level there is at least some effect than none at all? Isn't to suggest otherwise to buy into dualism, the disproven idea of Descartes that the mind and body are totally separate? Science knows that the mind and body are connected. It also knows that photons interact with anything they run into, that would include the molecules and atoms in the human body, which in turn are connected to the nervous system. Through that light would especially have an effect through the eyes, the minute details unnoticed could have minute effects on people's moods also unnoticed which could accumulate overtime to have a collective effect on group psychology.
I'm not arguing that individuals should be making major life decisions based on astrology or that horoscopes are valid. I'm suggesting that if a long enough study was done, and on a much larger scale of our society, perhaps comparing a historical period to the positions of stars, planets, and the moon then they might find there are significant correlations not because of anything supernatural but because of photon physics, and how that filters through our atmosphere and comes to interact with the molecules in people's bodies.
People's beliefs do not come out of nowhere. They form off of observations. The conclusions may be flawed, but something had to be there to be observed in the first place to form the inference. Most likely real patterns in social trends were overextrapolated to individuals.
1/21/2012 2:02:11 PM
I thought about it. I've concluded that you're a fucking idiot.
1/21/2012 2:14:08 PM
I'll think about it, I promise, but you've got to give me some time.
1/21/2012 2:38:49 PM
Moon phases have some influence on planting, both through hours of lumination and a minuscule tidal effect on plant sap, but climate and soil conditions have far more.
1/21/2012 2:43:08 PM
That's an interesting hypothesis. Now go and gather evidence for it, and present your findings to the scientific community. If it passes peer review, it will then be accepted as a valid field of study.
Do you know why quantum physics is now widely accepted as a valid science despite initial skepticism? Because someone did exactly what I told you to do. Science has not lost its 'creativity' or its 'imagination', it just doesn't accept some idea based purely on those qualities. It can't declare something as legitimate science just because it may one day be proven by some evidence or hypothesis that doesn't exist yet, but might be found some time in the vague future. If something wants to be taken seriously in the scientific community, it needs evidence first. Even if a hypothesis seems to have merit, it still needs to be researched and tested by the person who came up with it (or some willing colleagues). One can't simply go "Here, this idea seems possible. Now I'm tired, you guys test it for me. Let me know if it pans out."
Astrology has had plenty of chances to prove itself. It failed. So until it succeeds, the only thing we can say is that it's a sham.
1/21/2012 2:55:44 PM
... or not.
1/21/2012 3:35:39 PM
"The rebels in Numbers chapter 16 went DOWN into the pit. Moses wrote in Deuteronomy 32:22 about a fire in the LOWEST HELL. Amos 9:2 speaks of people trying to DIG down into Hell"
And Gary Larson in the Book of The Far Side noted that the coffee is cold in Hell because they think of everything!
It's written down so it must be true!
1/21/2012 3:51:28 PM
YOU'RE EDUCATED STUPID DON'T YOU KNOW THAT HELL IS A CUBE???
1/21/2012 4:24:25 PM
So you believe the scientists as far as 20 miles down but any deeper than that and they are full of shit, amirite?
1/21/2012 4:29:23 PM
"And yet, the innermost circles of Hell are supposed to be incredibly cold. This does not appear to match current observations of Earth's core."
Actually, that's Word of Dante
, not Word of God.
This post was made by Rat of Steel.
1/21/2012 4:42:41 PM
And I'll bet Heaven is some physical, "Buck Rogers/Flash Gordon-ish" sci-fi floating city orbiting the earth, right?
*HAS AN EPIC FACEPALM*
1/21/2012 5:04:58 PM
OK, so Hell is a real place. Where's the Heaven, then?
It's in Washington state, but it's only for Swedes (Swede Heaven, WA) Would you settle for Paradise (in NV, CA, and TX)?
1/21/2012 5:11:45 PM
I agree with you on that. That said, people see the world the way they see it. I'll still respect an Atheists right to be Athiest.
Some are Theists. Some are Deists. Some are Agnostics. Some are Atheists.
I for one am Pantheist & Monist & see Deity non-literally. I am a ShaktaPagan (NeoPaganism blended with Shakta Hinduism).
As long as one doesn't push it on others it's fine.
In a way, all of these "isms" are correct in their own weird way. All is one. None is separate. The Material, Psychic & Spiritual planes are part of the spectrum on the same reality, like the colors of the light spectrum from Infrared to ROYGBIV to Ultraviolet. There is no God, not in the literal sense. God is All-That-Is. What you see, experience, know and are is "God". AUM, The One, ParaBrahman, The Monad, etc. That's how I see it at least.
That said, let people be, either way. Everyone sees through a paradigm. As long as one embraces logic, reason, common sense, questioning everything, isn't a fundy, zealot or fanatic & is of good character & eithics, they're fine.
1/21/2012 5:13:34 PM
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