When I mean monkey i mean it in terms of all primates or primates that became extinct. You have proved my point and my argument against atheism, you don't even have a proper definition of what a human is because science has no criteria, My point is that fossil records are not enough to prove evolution, those properties that the certain fossil records have can be argued to be human, what i mean by here is just because there is maybe a little difference in the shape of the bone there are other features that are more human. For instance, The homo erectus is said to be a different species because of its skull contents and big eye brows, but we have humans today with the same features so how can we consider them a different species?? This is my point.
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"you don't even have a proper definition of what a human is because science has no criteria"
I am pretty sure there is a biological definition of what a homo sapiens is
"homo erectus is said to be a different species because of its skull contents and big eye brows, but we have humans today with the same features so how can we consider them a different species"
Yes, there are people with big eye brows, but... not homo-erectus-big!
He just admitted to a variation in human appearance, an abaration, a mutation, a change from the norm. But wait, didn't God make us perfect?
I saw a BBC science documentary years ago where there was a voice over about mans variation while the camera moved through a train car. this was before they knew we were incapatible with Neanderthals and wondered if we bred into them and lo and behold the camera ends up on a man with a very large jaw and heavy brow. We have this "look" still within our DNA but that doesn't make us Neanderthal.
One of the big problems with the amount of humanoids we've found now is: What species connect and which are very distant?
I'll tell you who will never have the answers. Religion
My point is that fossil records are not enough to prove evolution
But one single silly old book, in this case the Koran, *is* enough to prove divine creation?
"The homo erectus is said to be a different species because of its skull contents and big eye brows, but we have humans today with the same features so how can we consider them a different species?? "
We just call them fundies if they are living now.
In other words, you don't have a point, you have word sallad.
There are more differences between Homo Sapiens and H. Erectus than just skull size and eye-brow size. They were shorter, more robust than H. Sapiens, for one thing.
Ya know, all the species of great apes that are called Homo something, they are humans. That's what Homo means, stupid.
What does atheism have to do with evolution, btw? One is a lack of religion, the other is a section of Biology.
You clearly haven't actually seen a Homo erectus fossil. Its brow ridges are far more pronounced than in any human alive today (not to mention its brain case is far smaller, which matters). Either that, or you're just racist. I'm betting on the latter.
"When I mean monkey i mean it in terms of all primates or primates that became extinct."
So, what about all those obviously-not-extinct monkeys out there? Like baboons? Or spider monkeys?
"you don't even have a proper definition of what a human is because science has no criteria"
Darwinius massilae. Ardipithecus. The (now no longer) 'Missing Links'. The fact we humans (Homo Sapiens ) share at least 98% of our DNA with Chimpanzees (Pan Troglodytes ).
Your argument is invalid.
Scientific fact has already annihilated Christian Creationism via Kitzmiller vs. Dover. You don't want to see - even in a Sharia court - what we can do to Islamic creation myths.
So, because frogs or cats or chimpanzees have eyes, brains, bones, blood, heads, arms, legs, fingers, toes, mouths, tongues, viscera, etc. in common with human beings, they're just different in shape, there's no way to prove they're separate entities from us? Bullshit.
The homo erectus is said to be a different species because of its skull contents and big eye brows
And much smaller brains. That's kind of important.
but we have humans today with the same features
Yes, we call them creationists.
so how can we consider them a different species??
I'm actually pretty convinced that fundies ARE a different species. They don't behave anything like a normal human being and their thinking doesn't resemble human thought either.
"When I mean monkey i mean it in terms of all primates or primates that became extinct."
In other words, "monkey" means whatever you need it to mean at that moment in order to make your bullshit argument.
"You have proved my point and my argument against atheism, you don't even have a proper definition of what a human is because science has no criteria"
What the hell would make you think there's no scientific definition for what a human is?
"My point is that fossil records are not enough to prove evolution, those properties that the certain fossil records have can be argued to be human, what i mean by here is just because there is maybe a little difference in the shape of the bone there are other features that are more human."
What the fuck are you babbling about?
"For instance, The homo erectus is said to be a different species because of its skull contents and big eye brows, but we have humans today with the same features so how can we consider them a different species??"
It goes quite a bit beyond just those two features.
"This is my point."
You have no point. You barely managed a coherent thought.
Homo habilis (older than erectus) had a skull capacity of 500-750 cc, about a third to half that for a modern human. It's creationists who don't have a proper definition of what a human is - or at least don't have one that they won't change every time new evidence seems to prove them wrong. Gish thought ER-1470, the best-known skull, was a small-brained human, then years later said it was a large-brained ape. Lubenow thought said it was a small-brained human. More recently, creationists are coming back to claiming it's a large-brained ape.
There is more to the case for evolution than simply fossils. The DNA evidence is very convincing on its own as well.
It's the same with all these creationists, no matter the creed, they have no tangible evidence for their myth so their only option is to try and invalidate evolution and claim it has no evidence for it.
I see that logic and causation are totally lost on you.
You don't have to believe in Evolution to be an Atheist.
Atheism is just us saying we don't believe your bullshit, nothing more.
I'm sorry it hurts your fragile fucking feelings that you can't even make your case. Try harder.
WTH is with that site? Why are all the posts vertical like that? O_o I don't think it's my browser. Wow, that's unreadable.
Anyways, the difference between homo sapiens and homo erectus may be too complicated for some people to figure out, which I consider proof that not all of the more primitive hominids are extinct. ;p
Well, I'd say homo erectus is still around.
I mean, you're alive, ain't yah? Shouldn't be too hard for more intelligent human ancestors to survive to this day if you did.
I'm pretty sure science has defined what would qualify something to be in the genus Homo . It would first have to be a primate; intelligent, capable of complex language, and a1ble to use tools and control fire.
"Islamic Awakening"? Considering the stupidity of your so called reasoning, methinks not.
Also, as a believing muslim, you'd still somewhere in the 1390's, which would be the Middle Ages. So, in a way I understand that it's difficult for you to keep up with modern science ...
(Sorry to throw dirt on the Middle Ages, which is my favourite timeperiod!)
Because we don't have humans today with the same features, just with relatively small heads and pronounced eyebrow ridges. If a Homo Erectus walked down the street, it would tend to stick out a bit.
Curiously, this person seems to be conceding the point that man has changed over time. What is that if not evolution?
Not all primates are monkeys, no matter what you mean.
Of course, you leave out the fact that science HAS evidence other than fossils proving evolution happens.
WTF does classifying species using taxonomy and cladistics have to do with atheism?
But anyway, scientists are not idiots. They can tell when a hominid is homo sapiens or not. We have enough examples of homo sapiens skulls to know when another skull found does not fall within the species range of morphology.
"When I mean monkey i mean it in terms of all primates or primates that became extinct."
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less.'
Humpty Dumpty Award for the fail.
The religious criterion for humanity is very clear. Human beings have a soul. It's just a shame they can't show it to you.
Which, come to think about it, is odd, considering how many people they've looked inside.
Confused?
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