Homophobia is a mean, hateful term, intended to put anyone with traditional values on the defensive, as if objecting to homosexuality is a phobia, it’s not! It reflects common sense, good judgment, sound health and strong morality.
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It reflects common sense, good judgment, sound health and strong morality.
Yes, hating and persecuting people for the "horrible crime" of loving the wrong sex embodies all those things.
Homophobia.
It's still an apt and accurate term when applied to people like Linda as her level of fear and hate is unwarranted paranoia.
I and many other carry "traditional values" and realize that the rising visable homosexual community is no threat to "normal" folk. Indecency acts cover everything you people freak-out about when you start ranting on about immoral influence.
Tea-Party blustering and shits like Nugent and Palin getting airtime and followings: That's a total violation of traditional values, common sense, good judgment, sound health and strong morality.
Aw, poor, persecuted Christian! That nasty homosexual majority has decided to do the worst thing imaginable and demand EQUAL TREATMENT! And worse yet, when you simply try to deny them equal treatment people call you names! Nobody has EVER been through worse treatment than American Christians, not even the Jews in Europe! You poor thing. When you don't even get the right to den other people rights that's a textbook example of persecution.
If you actually knew anything about the subject, you wouldn't be afraid anymore. Part of that would be getting to know some gay people as human beings, not as stereotypes. I am not saying you have to agree with them, just put aside your prejudices and try to understand them.
Or are you afraid to do so?
You homophobes think more, much more, about homosexuality and gay sex than even gay people do.
We neutral people realise that it does not affect our lives if someone else loves a person of the same gender.
Objecting to homosexuality is as futile as objecting to tall people.
@ Dr. Shrinker
Asking Linda Harvey to stop being homophobic is like asking water to stop being wet. This lady makes a living off of lying about and stirring up hatred of gay people. She is a hateful, reprehensible wench and the only time she will ever stop being homophobic is when she's dead, which, frankly, cannot happen soon enough.
Actually, I agree. Homophobia is an emotive word that I believe is misplaced. I dont think most people that do not like homosexuals are afraid of them. They just dont like gay people. And they will probably continue to not like gay people as long as they are called homophobic. It is a "label" that is pretty much used in a sense to be condescending to the recipient of the label. That being said, I dont agree with them on the usual reasons they dont like gay people. But that I guess, is their choice. But calling somebody "homophobic" accomplishes about as much as calling somebody a "fagot". If we could dispense with the name calling and insulting labels, perhaps we could start with a bit more understanding....and eventually get rid of the name calling and perhaps the animosity. I just dont think we will increase acceptance of gay people by name calling others homophobic. JMHO.
No, it reflects bigotry, hatred, and ignorance. Linda, you are a homophobe. That means a person who has an irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals. Fits you and your ilk to a T.
Oh great, it's Linda Harvey again. No even going to pretend to be surprised.
@moose
A phobia is a persistent, irrational fear of an object or situation disproportional to any actual danger, prompting the sufferer to avoid the stimulus entirely or it will often interfere with their lives and actions. While I disagree with using the actual word "phobia", as it implies mental illness when the reality is nothing more than prejudicial bigotry, it isn't inaccurate to state that bigots in general are ultimately driven by irrational fears.
Also, calling someone names related to the stupid bullshit they're spouting isn't mean if they actually ARE spouting stupid bullshit, such as Harvey here. "Faggot" and "homophobe" have no similarity whatsoever, either in their history or use, and attempting to compare them is dishonest.
I love how bigots so full of hate always hate it when others point out their hatred. But I do long for the day when this kind of attitude is totally marginalized, like racism of the past which was once widespread and tolerated, and now is mostly taboo.
And I think that constant, irrational fears of gay people being considered normal members of society, gays "recruiting" people into their lifestyle, and some secret "gay agenda" means that the term "homophobia" fits quite well.
I don't want gays in the medical field to save the lives of children. It's better that we focus on the sexuality of the doctors and make sure no gay filth comes near children, then actually giving quality medical care to children.
I oppose the Day of Silence, as gay teenagers have no right to free speech and shouldn't openly express sympathy to those struggling in the closet.
I support the mob justice in Uganda because they're committed to killing gay people.
I compare gays and lesbians to child molesters.
Oh, but please don't call me a homophobe, as that is mean and hateful.
"Morality" - used by largely the same people who endorse The Newt.
Makes me wonder if they understand the word any better than they understand "evolution".
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@Swede
Objecting to homosexuality is as futile as objecting to tall people.
Reminds me of Randy Newman's Short People song.
It's funny how your definition of "common sense, good judgment, sound health and strong morality" are a polar opposite of mine.
"Traditional values" to me has become a synomym for "I get my morality from a Bronze Age book."
Let me quote Shakespeare:
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
Yup, just change the name and everything's ok again. Let's just call it "sexual orientation hygiene". Hateful bigot homophobes are all just sexual orientation hygientists. That makes them sound benevolent.
Maybe the sexual orientation hygientists can start doing what they really want to do, i.e. God's will, and find a "final solution" to the "homo question".
Oops, euphemisms don't make things better, do they?
It gets even better, Linda goes on to say this:
"Which Jesus is this young man talking about? He’s implying the same false faith of liberal churches today that rely on only a carefully chosen, few passages from the New Testament and ignore everything else. Its uninformed Christianity at best, and deliberately falsified at worst."
Because we all know that fundamentalist Christians don't pick and choose verses from the Bible while ignoring others.
Racist is a mean, hateful term, intended to put anyone with traditional values on the defensive, as if feeling that whites are inherently superior to blacks is a prejudice, it’s not! It reflects common sense, good judgment, sound health and strong morality.
(See what I did there?)
You can degrade, hurt, bully, and murder gays, but you can't take people being mean to you?
You say you got a real solution--
Welll, you know--
We'd all love to see the plan.
You're asking for the contribution;
Welll, you know--
We're all doing what we can...
But if go asking for backup for minds that hate;
All I can tell you is, brother, you'll have to wait!
If you object to engaging in homosexuality, don't. If you're looking for homosexuals everywhere, maybe it's homophobia, and maybe it's reaction formation.
You can degrade, hurt, bully, and murder gays, but you can't take people being mean to you?
Homophobia is a mean, hateful practice, intended to put anyone with a functioning brain on the defensive, as if objecting to homosexuality is the right thing to do; it's not! It reflects a lack of common sense, bad judgment, poor mental health, and distorted morality.
Having never heard of this miserable cow, I did a quick Google search and inter alia found that she did a radio broadcast in which she claims there is no proof that homosexual humans even exist. On another occasion she exhorted parents not to take their kids to a gay doctor, something which supposedly cannot exist - according to her. Not that I'd give a shit, but would I even be allowed to ask a health worker about his or her sexual orientation?
These fundie morons really are blind to reality, and love making shit up, just so they can make themselves noticed. One thing is unambiguous, though. This is one mean bitch.
The litmus test for whatever sort of objective morality there might be is "am I directly putting other people into a situation detrimental to themselves, against their will?". That's what seems to be common across all cultures and makes them feel like they shouldn't be doing it. You could say its written on our hearts by god, or we evolved that way for social cohesion, or whatever, but that seems to be the universal standard.
By refusing to accept gay people, offering to "cure" them, refusing to let them get married - and in extreme cases bullying, beating, or outright murdering them, you are not demonstrating strong morality. You're demonstrating being a dick.
Ah yes, Linda Harvey. A wonderful woman. (And I mean that as sarcastically as possible.)
You can dislike the term. But the intent is the same, no matter what label you put on it. There is a group of people that simply don't like (sometimes even hate) homosexuals. And those of us that don't share this view cannot understand why you would rationally dislike homosexuality. We therefore assume it's irrational. Thus, the phobia.
For instance: While I don't agree with them, I understand the anti-abortion people. Their argument makes a kind of sense, and I can remove it from any religious, political or social context, and it would still makes sense. I happen to believe that this argument is still wrong. Especially in the early stages of pregnancy, a fetus is hardly a child. But that is my opinion, and I will not label anyone as irrational for having the opposing view.
But anti-homosexuality. That is a different thing entirely. There is not fundamentally rational argument to dislike homosexuality. I cannot think of one, I have not heard one. It must be irrational. Until I hear a good argument that is anti-homosexual, I will continue to think of it as irrational. And therefore, homophobia is a fair term.
@Justanotheratheist
That's a very typical MO of right-wing propagandists. Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, most Fox personalities, Limbaugh, Coulter,,,etc: They all contradict themselves often within four sentences.
They gain another set of followers with each new talking bullet and seldom lose their regulars in the process as dicernment is not a quality found in their fan base.
It took over four years for Glenn Beck to start loosing his viewers and Glenny was over the top in contradictory scenarios and claims by his second year. He still has a base remarkably.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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