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#1419727
Ebon
You are projecting your own faults onto atheists. As fundies usually do.
7/5/2012 3:42:55 AM
#1419749
D Laurier
And wrong.
7/5/2012 4:05:40 AM
#1419772
Szena
In a religious civilization morals are fluid and subject to change. Anyone who has studied history knows that.
7/5/2012 4:32:15 AM
#1419775
Brendan Rizzo
Why is atheistic Europe far more moral than the religious United Ststes (or Europe back when it was religious, for that matter) could ever be? Because in a society filled with secular humanists, no demagogue can claim that an act of ultimate immorality, such as genocide, or letting the poor die in the streets because they do not have healthcare (ah-hem!) are God's will.
7/5/2012 4:36:11 AM
#1419795
Jim T
"Polytheism, is the belief in many powers. It is possible to progress from many gods to belief in one God" ... and progress from one god to no gods.
Fixed it.
7/5/2012 5:00:51 AM
#1419813
Mister Spak
"In an atheistic civilization, morals are intrinsically fluid, and subject to change. The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power. It is survival of the fittest. He who owns the most, and controls the most, wins! "
Sounds like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Pol Pot, Saudi Arabia, Iran - wait, those are all theist countries.
7/5/2012 5:22:29 AM
#1419858
Paler_Face
The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power. It is survival of the fittest. He who owns the most, and controls the most, wins!
Sounds like America to me. Oh, wait! Isn't America a Christian Nation (tm)? It certainly is a christ-dominated nation.
7/5/2012 6:24:57 AM
#1419865
Thinking Allowed
The prime example is Abraham. Originally an idol worshipper, he eventually came to the knowledge that there can be only one true Power.
Are you talking about the same god who told Abraham to sacrifice his son, only to basically say "Dude, I'm joking." to see if Abraham would actually do it?
7/5/2012 6:35:55 AM
#1419866
Doubting Thomas
Are you kidding me? I live in a small, conservative, Republican town, and I've never known so many greedy, materialistic people.
7/5/2012 6:38:12 AM
#1419892
Mayhem
Mirror, mirror on the wall.
Who is the most hypocritical of them all?
7/5/2012 7:18:14 AM
#1419903
Horsefeathers
"In an atheistic civilization, morals are intrinsically fluid, and subject to change."
This is true in any society. Why people such as yourself think morals are black and white and never change is beyond me.
"The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power. It is survival of the fittest. He who owns the most, and controls the most, wins!"
That could be the motto of the Republican party, and they're all supposedly devout True Christians.
"Atheism is worse than idol worship."
If you say so.
"Idol worship is polytheism, the belief in many powers."
No it's not, you dolt.
"It is possible to progress from many gods to belief in one God. The prime example is Abraham. Originally an idol worshipper, he eventually came to the knowledge that there can be only one true Power."
Amazing. You realize that the whole Abraham story was probably early propaganda to attempt to convert the local polytheistic "heathens" of the region by telling them a story of someone they could identify with, right? This is no different than modern Christians and their "I used to be an atheist ..." spiel.
"The road from many powers to one power is relatively short, since the individual accepts in principle that there is something directing the universe."
They accept that there are many "somethings" running the universe. That doesn't mean that they'll accept that just one "something" could do the same job, which is why Christians have always resorted to, uh, "other" methods to convert the heathens.
7/5/2012 7:29:27 AM
#1419904
Fundies Make Me Sick
"The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power."
The Marian Persecutions. Your argument is invalid.
Also, definitely a candidate for the Shiny Mirror award.
7/5/2012 7:29:49 AM
#1419915
Firewing
The religious must always find someone else to blame for their nonexistant morality.
7/5/2012 7:50:13 AM
#1419926
Papabear
Don't know much about atheists, do you?
7/5/2012 7:57:49 AM
#1419943
Nicole
"Idol worship" is defined in the OT as worshiping statues, and in the NT as prioritizing anything above God.
For the record, the Bible's claims that pagans actually and literally worshiped statues is dead wrong. They didn't believe these statues were actually their gods any more than you believe a photograph of your relative is your relative.
7/5/2012 8:12:00 AM
#1419981
Mystik Spiral
"morals are intrinsically fluid, and subject to change"
Mirror, mirror, on the wall...
I was raised Catholic, and was in about my mid-teens where the whole concept of god and religion started feeling really... stupid. So I've lived more than half my life without god or religion.
When I was going to church every week as a young teen I also habitually shoplifted, lied, beat on my siblings, and had no qualms about any of it. Now, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, so I can't say whether it was because I had religion in my life or because I was just a shitty teenage kid, but my morals now after many years of religion-free bliss are much better.
Nobody needs an imaginary friend to know the difference between right and wrong.
7/5/2012 9:22:16 AM
#1419982
Lady Evil
And how many disobedient kids have you stoned?
7/5/2012 9:26:18 AM
#1420018
Zagen30
The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power. It is survival of the fittest. He who owns the most, and controls the most, wins!
As opposed to religious societies, which have never tried to to conquer any other nations, nor convert everyone to their way of thinking to increase their power bases.
@Horsefeathers: "Why people such as yourself think morals are black and white and never change is beyond me."
Because morals not being set in stone would suggest that God may not be right all the time. That would undermine their entire worldview, and they by nature seem to be terrified of the world not being a simple and clean place.
7/5/2012 10:33:30 AM
#1420021
J. James
Nothing is perfect, everything can be improved. That is the nature of atheistic morality. It is not based on a abstract foundation, it is based on logic and empathy, and yes, it is fluid and can be changed for the better. Except for fossilized religious morality, that is. You can never improve on that.
7/5/2012 10:35:32 AM
#1420037
The Duelist
"The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power."
That's every religious government in history, especially the christian ones.
"Atheism is worse than idol worship. Idol worship is polytheism, the belief in many powers."
Uh, idolatry is the worship of idols, retard. Polytheism is believing in many gods instead of just one.
7/5/2012 11:27:09 AM
#1420046
Swede
"The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power. It is survival of the fittest. He who owns the most, and controls the most, wins!"
That sounds more like the US of A than Sweden or the Netherlands. Does that mean that the US is more of an atheistic civilization than Sweden and the Netherlands?
Are Saudi Arabia and Iraq havens for co-operation, altruism and joint ownership of everything?
More and more people the world over realize that there isn't anything directing the universe.
7/5/2012 11:58:58 AM
#1420052
DayvanCowboy
HA! I worship myself AND my balls. I'm an atheistic polytheist and combine both their powers. It's survival of the fittest and the One True Power. In my pants.
7/5/2012 12:25:41 PM
#1420071
Berny
"The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power. It is survival of the fittest. He who owns the most, and controls the most, wins!"
That's exactly like capitalism today. Are you saying capitalism is against God? Well, Jesus was a socialist. Let that be a lesson to you.
7/5/2012 1:39:56 PM
#1420072
Often Partisan
"The natural goals of such a society can only be greed, might and power."
Which explains why the Religious Right worship capitalism how?
7/5/2012 1:40:08 PM
#1420099
freako104
And in a theocracy morals are damn nigh non existent. Unbelievers slaughtered and tortured. Also I am polytheist and I find it easier to go to atheism than monotheism by far
7/5/2012 2:26:50 PM
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