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The possiblity that Hitchens' unfortunate death from cancer could have been directly or indirectly influenced by his atheism remains open. In the indirect sense, it is known that the atheistic philosophy of the objective meaninglessness of life correlates with vices and mental unwellness. Atheists and secular Americans are known to have higher rates of drug abuse(which in a broad sense could include smoking and drinking as well), and regular churchgoers are known to have much lower rates of mental illness and depression. The depression that sometimes persists alongside atheism could have conceivably influenced him to use harmful matericalistic pleasures like tobacco and alcohol as a coping mechanism, since an avowed atheist like Hitchens would not decide to seek spiritual health, attend a Christian church or look for "answers" in the Bible. This provides reason to speculate that atheism influenced Hitchens' bad habits, which lead to his cancer and death.

Whether Hichens' cancer death was influenced in any direct sense remains more uncertain. While a Christian should not speak directly for God, the Bible does show that, in specific instances, God has been known to punish sinners and the unrepentant with disease. The Bible has also made it clear that those who wish evil on others deserve no better themselves, and as Hitchens praised the sad and gruesome death of Rev. Jerry Falwell, the possibility of divine retribution remains as well depending on a Christians interpretation of God's word and actions.

On the flip side, God has been shown to bestow mercy on those who are sick and seek His help. The many stories of Jesus healing the blind, crippled, and ill are the first examples. Even during today's times, there have been claims of modern day miracles as well, such as the possible "curing" of a person's cancer by a Roman Catholic priest, through the power of prayer - something which Hitchens likely rejected to his deathbed. Again it would be presumptuous for a Christian to speak directly on God's behalf, as is Hitchen's most obvious eternal fate according to the Bible (for only God knows for a fact whether or not he repented on his deathbead) nevertheless the possibilities are a good topic of discussion among Christians and non-Christians alike.

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Wehpudicabok

Good old Conservapedia, always ready to exploit deaths for their own ends.

8/15/2012 3:30:23 AM

Often Partisan

"regular churchgoers are known to have much lower rates of mental illness and depression."

So what you're saying is that religion is the opium of the masses?

8/15/2012 3:31:26 AM

JeanP

Conservapedia: raping common sense, reality and basic decency since 2006.

The accusations linking Hitchens'cancer with his atheism are simply disgusting.

8/15/2012 3:34:01 AM

Ebon

"In the indirect sense, it is known that the atheistic philosophy of the objective meaninglessness of life correlates with vices and mental unwellness."

That's a flat lie.

"Atheists and secular Americans are known to have higher rates of drug abuse"

That's also a complete lie. Atheists have a lower rate of drug abuse than the general population and make up a disproportionately small convict population.

"regular churchgoers are known to have much lower rates of mental illness and depression"

1) Depression IS a mental illness, idiot. 2) That's another flat lie. Church-goers as a group suffer from mental illnesses at roughly the same rate as the general population.

"While a Christian should not speak directly for God, the Bible does show that, in specific instances, God has been known to punish sinners and the unrepentant with disease."

Well, yes. Your God is a sadistic monster. We agree on that. I just have enough self-respect not to claim that such a being is loving.

"only God knows for a fact whether or not he repented on his deathbead"

No, we know that he didn't.

"nevertheless the possibilities are a good topic of discussion among Christians and non-Christians alike."

You really are a monster, aren't you>?

8/15/2012 3:43:23 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

regular churchgoers are known to have much lower rates of mental illness


8/15/2012 3:44:39 AM

Mudak

What was gruesome about Jerry Falwell's death? He died in his office, sitting at his own desk. Apart from the fact that nobody saw it coming, there was nothing even remotely horrific about it.

8/15/2012 3:52:47 AM

Citizen Justin

"regular churchgoers are known to have much lower rates of mental illness and depression"

should read

"regular churchgoers are much less likely to seek professional help for mental illness and depression"

but this is FSTDT, so we all know that already.

8/15/2012 3:55:37 AM



Why not just say God gave Hitchens cancer and be done with it?

8/15/2012 3:56:25 AM

Tempus


8/15/2012 4:11:00 AM

Swede

I hope you have numerous citations for your allegations that atheists suffer from depression more often than churchgoers, that atheists are more prone to substance abuse, and for the possible "curing" of cancer.

In what way did Hitchen praise the death of Falwell?
As we all know, no churchgoer has ever wished the death of anyone!

If non-churchgoers are all depressed and cancer-ridden, then almost all of Sweden's population ought to have depression and cancer, as very, very few go to church regularly, even among the few religious of us. Sure, we might seem depressed if you visit us in mid-February, but we're just in hiatus. Visit us in the middle of July instead, that's when Swedes are truly ALIVE. It has everything to do with amount of sun and warmth, and nothing to do with churchgoing.

8/15/2012 4:32:27 AM

Doubting Thomas

regular churchgoers are known to have much lower rates of mental illness

Atheists are far less likely to drown their children to save them from Satan like Andrea Yates.

While a Christian should not speak directly for God

Since when? Christians have been speaking for God ever since there have been Christians.

God has been shown to bestow mercy on those who are sick and seek His help.

I personally know of many Christians who have prayed to God to get better (and had family & friends pray for them too) only to die of things like cancer. You know, the same disease which killed Hitchens.

something which Hitchens likely rejected to his deathbed.

At least you're not claiming that he renounced atheism on his deathbed, which I fully expected Christians to do by now.

(for only God knows for a fact whether or not he repented on his deathbead)

Ulp, there it is.

Again it would be presumptuous for a Christian to speak directly on God's behalf

Which apparently you have no problem with, seeing as you seem to be speaking for him now.

8/15/2012 4:43:49 AM

Robespierre

Translation:

we obey and honour an invisible dictator in the sky that uses biological weapons on those who don't join his personality cult.

What wonderful subjects you would make.

8/15/2012 4:51:30 AM

VoiceofKane

@Swede,

Citations? From Conservapedia? You must be new.

8/15/2012 4:54:17 AM

Mister Spak

it is known that the theistic philosophy that the giant man with a long white beard who lives on clouds forgives you for everything you do correlates with vices and mental unwellness. Theists and fundie Americans are known to have higher rates of drug abuse(which in a broad sense could include smoking and drinking as well), and regular churchgoers are known to have much higher rates of mental illness and depression.

"On the flip side, God has been shown to bestow mercy on those who are sick and seek His help."

Allah is merciful, oft forgiving.

8/15/2012 5:15:04 AM

Churchy LaFemme

Actually, I'm surprised at the uncertainty here. Uncertain, possibility, claims of miracles, possible "curing" and so on. I would have expected a statement that there have been modern day miracles, instead of only "claims." The use of quotation marks on curing and noting that it's only possible shows doubt.

8/15/2012 5:27:12 AM



And of course you're not going to list any of these miracles or site them are you?

8/15/2012 5:35:49 AM

Xotan

Conservapedia - that's Andy Schlafly's project, no? Expressions like "whether or not..."; "...could have been..." These are used to circle a point that you do not wish openly to touch on; but you nevertheless make the signal as to what you want us to understand that which you cannot say openly. Dishonest, Andy, no?

As to curing cancer, no RC priest would make such a claim on his own behalf. If a cure took place he would attribute it to God. Did you think we would not notice this 'slip'.

And yes, it is indeed presumptuous to speak for God. So why make indirect judgements and then try to back off them like a scalded cat?

As to Hitchen's death, no, it does not make a good subject to gloat about. That is what you meant, is it not? How is your Latin, Andy? Ever hear of the expression 'de mortuis nihil nisi bonum'? It goes back to about 600 BCE. It means that you ought not badmouth the dead - even by subtle inference. For all that it was a pagan Greek who first uttered it, it remains totally appropriate today. So cut the indirect shots, please. As I said, "Dishonest"!

8/15/2012 5:52:55 AM

Gawd

Wait, Jerry Falwell had a "gruesome" death? How? I thought he just fell over dead.

8/15/2012 6:02:38 AM

dionysus

I hate gossip. Christian gossip is even worse.

8/15/2012 6:13:57 AM

Horsefeathers

"The possiblity that Hitchens' unfortunate death from cancer could have been directly or indirectly influenced by his atheism remains open."

Then you must also consider the same implication whenever a Christian, even fundamentalaist Christians, become ill with some disease. If you don't make this consideration--that Christians are also afflicted with disease because of their religious beliefs--then you're working with a double standard, and we all know that an organization such as Conservapedia would never stoop to such tactics, right?

"In the indirect sense, it is known that the atheistic philosophy of the objective meaninglessness of life correlates with vices and mental unwellness. Atheists and secular Americans are known to have higher rates of drug abuse(which in a broad sense could include smoking and drinking as well), and regular churchgoers are known to have much lower rates of mental illness and depression."

I'm pretty sure that actual statistics are the exact opposite of what this article indicates.

"This provides reason to speculate that atheism influenced Hitchens' bad habits, which lead to his cancer and death."

No, actually, it doesn't. Mostly because it's baseless speculation.

"While a Christian should not speak directly for God, the Bible does show that, in specific instances, God has been known to punish sinners and the unrepentant with disease."

Then why are Christians not disease free?

"On the flip side, God has been shown to bestow mercy on those who are sick and seek His help. The many stories of Jesus healing the blind, crippled, and ill are the first examples."

Yet he refuses to heal amputees. Strange that the only diseases your god heals are those that will either run their course on their own or are known to occasionally go into spontaneous remission.

8/15/2012 6:35:07 AM

werewolf

And, there's Conservapedia. And the people who believe it. Fuck, that's depressing!

8/15/2012 6:50:01 AM



"I'm not saying that is was God... but it was God."

8/15/2012 6:51:08 AM

freako104

This is a lot of bullshit. Even for conservapedia

8/15/2012 7:07:59 AM

Lady Evil

If it had been a Christian who died of Cancer, they'd probable say some crap like "He's in the ever loving arms of Jesus now."

8/15/2012 7:12:43 AM

Joe Mama

"I'm not saying that God gave Hitchens cancer, but God gave Hitchens cancer."

8/15/2012 7:35:38 AM

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