I disagree with you.
We must love God, but we must also fear (respect) Him.
Women might love their husbands, but they have no fear of (respect for) them. The law neuters mens’ ability to maintain order in their own households. Preferably a man keeps order by inspiring love and obedience; if this does not work, I see no reason why he should not be able to use coercion just to the point of regaining control of the situation and his wife’s respect.
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This is Stockholm Syndrome, Sunshine.
What is it with fundie women wanting to be in an abusive relationship?
If fear means the same thing as respect does that mean that you respect psychopaths with knives? Do you respect terrorists? Do you respect falling out of an airplane? Seriously, I've never understood the connection. I've also never understood why someone would want to worship a deity that they fear. Especially the unpredictable time bomb that is Yahweh.
Coercion does not earn you respect, only contempt.
You don't have the emotional maturity to be in a relationship much less married.
"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
- 1 John 4:18 (KJV)
I was going to say more, but your bible pretty much said it all for me.
"I see no reason why he should not be able to use coercion just to the point of regaining control of the situation and his wife’s respect."
I see no reason why a woman should not be able to exercise her second amendment rights on her husband.
@Dr. Shrinker
"Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom".
The contradiction of those two lines should be enough to implode the Christian doctrine.
"We must love God, but we must also fear (respect) Him."
Fear =/= respect.
Fear typically progresses to loathing, if anything.
Ok, let me see if I have this logic right.
God is love
Oh yeah, it just makes me want to go out and want to be respectful (fearful) of God and my husband. Sorry, but OH HELL NO!
While fear can be an efficient method of controlling a person or populace, it should not be mistaken for respect, nor for loyalty. Neither is it the basis of any truly loving, stable, healthy and happy relationship.
Hello sunshinemary, I have here a time machine that we would all love you to use. It will transport you from the 1950s, where you seem to be stuck, to the present day, where men and women have equal rights and enjoy loving relationships built upon mutual trust and respect.
I think you confuse fear and respect.
My wife respected me but was not afraid of me.
Can you see the difference there ?
You don't gain respect by pushing someone around. Remember you have to slep sometime.
If a man cannot earn my respect by being a decent human being, he surely won't earn it by threatening me with whatever beatings or restricting my food intake or whatever one can come up with. Respect is earned and in a good relationship the couple works together as equal partners, at least that's how it is in my family.
Says the woman whose husband beats her!
I don't fear or respect god, just I don't fear or respect you.
First off, if they're using the King James Bible (and all fundies luurrrrrve the King James Bible), the use of the word "fear" AT THAT TIME did not necessarily mean "to be afraid". To "fear the Lord" meant to regard him with awe and acceptance of his divinity, not "Crapola! He's terrifying!!"
We no longer use the word "fear" in that way. So, their interpretation of how to regard God is basically completely fucked up.
Surprise ....
LOL, someone's wife is sick of his shit and won't give him any! So, like all fundies, he comes to the web to posture and preen and wish oh double wish that he had some of hte magic power over people his imaginary sky fairy has.
Sort of sad actually.
"So when I say religion poisons everything, I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. It says we can’t be moral without Big Brother, without a totalitarian permission. It means we can’t be good to one another. We must be afraid, we must also be forced to love someone who we fear, the essence of sado-masochism" - Christopher Hitchens
Fear and respect are two different things. If you truly love someone respect would naturally follow, therefore your assertion is false.
You cannot love someone and fear them at the same time. Being forced into loving someone out of fear of punishment eliminates a free choice to love, and is therefore not love at all.
fear != respect
why is this hard to understand.
love me or I will torture you is not viable.
Should we beat him to make him respect us?
I have a feeling he'd say no to that...
EDIT: Wait, it's a woman!?
Oh my god, this is among the stupidest things I've seen. Renders my first point useless, too.
Respect is something you have to earn, "Mary".
The law only neuters men's ability to abuse and disrespect people in "their own households". (My household is just as much mine as it is my husband's, so there!) Coercion can never bring respect, only fear and hatred.
Confused?
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