Do they just make this BS up as they go along. Not a single factual statement in the entire converstation. Funny how such a small percentege of the population has an incredible amount of control over such a large majority, and yet they still can't get married in much of the US and enjoy federal benefits like hetero married couples. "The Gay Agenda" needs some adjustments.
10/16/2012 3:38:54 AM
Aren't those who are anti-Gay closer to the Nazis? The Nazis killed Gays too.
Also it was the Nazis who came up with the phrase "Gott mit uns".
10/16/2012 3:41:46 AM
Filin De Blanc
So basically you want homosexuality to be portrayed as sick and evil, but when someone does the same thing to your own position that's Nazi tactics.
10/16/2012 4:04:51 AM
Titania covered it pretty well, but I gotta chime in -- the Nazis had power in Germany for all of TWELVE years, and the culture when they took power was the delightfully profligate and decadent Weimar jazz age. Despite the poverty and hardship, interwar Germany was a tremendously culturally innovative and diverse time and place, and the Nazis shut it all down in favor of a monolithic Aryan-futurist Sparta.
10/16/2012 4:44:46 AM
'I forgot which one' ... yeah, some fucking expert you are.
10/16/2012 4:46:22 AM
Not even wrong.
10/16/2012 4:51:37 AM
"Christians are often negatively portrayed and stereotyped."
They tell the truth about christians, and christains think they are often negatively portrayed and stereotyped.
10/16/2012 5:17:36 AM
[…] They gutted the libraries of anything that was Christian in belief and they pulled down the Ten Commandments. You had the Ten Commandments all over the walls of the schools in Germany, just like we had in the United States of America, and so they had removed all the Ten Commandments and they put up of course Hitler.[…]
As a German I would very much like to see a citation for this.
I think I have never even seen a display of the ten commandments anywhere in Germany, neither in recent time nor in historic photographs or film recordings. In the more Catholic areas in the South of Germany there are still crucifixes (sp?) in almost every classroom and they were there during the Third Reich, too. I don’t think Hitler would have had much backing in these areas if he would have tried to oppress the church.
Especially Bavaria was one of the most conservative and Catholic areas (and mostly still is) and seeing that it was more or less the “heartland” of the Nazi movement*, I very much doubt the Nazis antagonized the church that much …
*(see the attempted coup in Munich in the twenties and the history of the town Berchtesgaden, especially the Obersalzberg)
10/16/2012 5:34:32 AM
*cough*Passion of the Christ*cough*
The fact is that Christian-themed movies usually do poorly, often because they're poorly made. That's why movies like Kirk Cameron's "Fireproof" was only shown in a few theaters, then basically wend straight to video. The acting in that one was very amateurish, even for Cameron, and the story line sucked. Once Christian movie makers realize their audience doesn't want to be preached to, then they can start to make better movies.
10/16/2012 5:39:15 AM
"they decide what’s going to be in a movie, we see all the portrayals, homosexuals are the most positively portrayed in the movies and on TV" Yes, that's why everbody in that little tiny market in Utah was forced to watch "The New Normal" and the local affiliate wasn't even dreaming of it not being broadcast there.
"ugly caricatures of Christians coming out of Hollywood" That's not Hollywood, that's how the rest of society actually sees you. Might be possible that that isn't how you actually are, but even if that was true, it's your image problem.
I don't think I have ever seen a person having less of a clue what went on in Nazi Germany.
Ok first of all, those twenty years you're speaking of were 24 and called "the Weimar Republic", the time before that, before a worker's and soldier's revolution fuelled by social democrats and communists established the first German democracy, Germany was the "German Empire", a monarchist fascist state, driven by imperial rants of the Kaiser's miliatrism and social repression... Ok, yes, I see it now, very conservative. I bet there was no social security in this heavenly conservaitve utopia -- oh crap, it was developed and implented there?
Well, I hope you're happy, because for that great Empire my great-grandfather lost a fuckin' foot fighting that socialist Empire of -- oh, The United States of America.
Before this fucking retard says one more word about Germany, what the fuck do Americans learn in their history lessons in high school?
10/16/2012 5:39:53 AM
I think most fundies’ heads would explode if they would ever realize that Germany has had public health care and social security since 1883 and that it was implemented by one of history’s biggest conservatives, Graf Otto von Bismarck…
10/16/2012 5:49:42 AM
The Crimson Ghost
These 2 are just hopeless.
@ Kuno & UHM-I'm certain that they simply think German=Nazi. They think nothing has changed. There's nothing else to it.
That said-as an American laboring under these peoples' idiocy, I must commend Germans for their most excellent speed metal, beer & engineering. In addition to a much better functioning government than we have.
10/16/2012 6:15:44 AM
dionysusChristians are often negatively portrayed and stereotyped
Correction, overzealous Christians
are negatively portrayed. Then again, so is anyone that goes too far
10/16/2012 6:17:29 AM
Leave that to us Germans, professional guilt and shame preservers. Because we actually KNOW what we are talking about.
Truth be told, the official position was a bit schizophrenic. With some parts, like Himmler's pet SS, trying to replace the dominat faith with their pseudomystical bullshit, and others trying to use christian faith as a tool for obedience and battle moral.
Never forget, German belt buckles in WW1 bore the words "God is with us" (Gott mit uns).
10/16/2012 7:30:02 AM
Translation: "If we let homosexuals have equal rights then everybody will want them!"
10/16/2012 8:35:13 AM
This is just a complete pack of lies.
10/16/2012 9:01:15 AM
Your persecution complex is showing!
10/16/2012 9:03:46 AM
@Kuno: If you tell them that strong capitalists like Bismarck implemented it to refute the socialist idea that the state is only looking out for the rich, you can actually produce fireworks.
@The Crimson Ghost: No, not really. Even though you'd think they'd be that stupid, most of them aren't. Since Merkel is preaching austerity from her high horse made of luck to rest of Europe, some of them are preaching how awesome Germany is - then a few Germans come by and tell them they are fucking crazy, and we're back to sour losers of WW2 that only criticize America cause we're looking for revenge (which still makes me want to buy a plane ticket and punch their lights out personally).
As for the effective government, no it isn't. Of course relatively speaking it is, but most European governments are (with Italy being the almost stereotypical example of a terrible government and newly added Greece). The pedanticness that makes "us" great producers, also makes you want to kill yourself if you've ever visited any German administrative office to actually get something. Seriously, I had requests send back because a decimal point was at the wrong place - with a note telling me a decimal point was at the wrong place. I imagine running a spiked butt-plug up my ass to be more pleasent.
@fishtank: I wouldn't go as far as to say that only Germans should be allowed to say something, but I would go as far as demanding the people opening their loud mouths to actually have a goddam clue about the facts.
10/16/2012 10:32:41 AM
@ The Crimson Ghost.
No. No it is not.
Let's put it this way-before I had political science, I thought the American two-party system was a near-fatal fault in our politics.
Afterwards, my position on third parties can be described as "fuck em".
At least ours makes sense, even if it is massively deaf to voters.
10/16/2012 11:20:44 AM
I don't know what THEY were taught, but I was taught about the Weimer Republic, the HRE, Kaiser German Empire, and Nazi Germany. HRE actually used Gott mit Uns, at least some states, so it's not new at all.
HRE=Holy Roman Empire, a loose collection of states in what is now Germany, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Eastern France, and a few smaller states in that region. I think Southern Denmark might have been part of it too. For those who have never heard of it, I'm pretty sure Germans have.
Fundies, Listen: Nazis hated communists, intellectuals, Gays, and Jews. They also used Christianity, but they were mostly trying to promote a weird version of their own.
Fundies, you are in major danger of being LIKE THE NAZIS more than ANYONE you accuse of it. The only thing missing from your tick list is Jews. And some of you add that in anyways.
FOr fucking cereal, people need to pay attention in school. For all the heinous things that Nazis did in the name of their economy, all the heinous things America did in the name of Manifest destiny, Britain's Imperialism and its failures, Belgian slaughter in the congo, and everything. Learning about history empowers you to know the truth in grand truckloads. It allows you to recongize true imperialism, true fascism, true communism, and however bad today's society is...
At least it isn't Feudal Europe!
10/16/2012 11:58:34 AM
10/16/2012 12:00:01 PM
Too much stupid in one place.
Warning: You a&&holiness is close to critical mass. An explosion of ignorance and stupidity may result. Please back away from the computer and STFU.
10/16/2012 1:07:30 PM
No It isn't. You're just being sore because your religion in no longer a driving force in the country.
10/16/2012 2:56:59 PM
"and the schools were taken over by the fascist government and the children were told that their parents, who were old-fashioned, were old-fashioned and you know you don’t have to tell your parents, you mustn’t tell your parents, what you’re learning here in school."
Your children's school didn't tell them not to tell you about what they learn. Your children themselves chose to avoid your paranoid reactions by not telling you what they don't really have to. You should give it a thought before you alienate them entirely.
10/16/2012 3:52:00 PM
The Nazis maintained a facade of acceptance and approval toward Christianity. It was politically expedient to do so.
Gott Mit Uns was used by the German Army long before the 1930s. It was not coined by the Nazis
10/16/2012 4:31:03 PM