Quote# 92849

Natural selection ...

1. green and brown beetles of the same kind
2. birds can see and find the green ones to eat
3. the green numbers drop and the browns increase due to mating
4. after awhile no green beetles only brown which the birds can't see to eat

So - now you have God creating something specifically to destroy it. Is that congruent with 'God is Life'? Nope.

Animals eat animals because of sin ... so you have NO evolution/natural selection without sin. Where did sin come from? Oh, the canned answer is evolutionary theory doesn't deal with religious topics ... but then wait - if no sin, no evolution ... oh, but notice there's NO sin in the creation account in Genesis - sin comes in AFTER. So you go and collect a fossil record AFTER and conclude evolution - which the account of the beetles is true and observable; but it does not explain any step BEFORE step 1. Step 0 is sin, step -1 is God creates by His words. Genesis isn't wrong and precludes the idea of creation by evolution.

tdodds74, Fresh Hope 63 Comments [2/25/2013 4:46:06 AM]
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NearlySane

Just freakin mad

2/25/2013 4:49:29 AM

Prager

Attempting to tack one's beliefs onto an observable event in order to maitain the relevance of those beliefs is just sad.

2/25/2013 5:01:41 AM

KittyKaboom

So the brown beetles would have God's protection because they repented of their sins like all good christians...?

Makes as much sense as what you said.

2/25/2013 5:06:39 AM

Anon

Genesis states that humans were directly created from dirt and ribs, this makes genesis unable to tally with the scientific evidence of our evolution from earlier species, as we were apparently not evolved from them but created from dirt in the first instance.
Failed at the first hurdle.

2/25/2013 5:13:52 AM

Sheridan

Animals eat animals because of sin

And here I thought animals ate other animals because they were hungry.

So if there is no evolution, then how did some of the beetles get to be green in the first place... Oh right, Goddidit.


2/25/2013 5:23:21 AM

Pikachukid

1. green and brown beetles of the same kind

And?

2. birds can see and find the green ones to eat

You are assuming other creatures can't find the brown ones.

3. the green numbers drop and the browns increase due to mating

The green ones don't mate?

4. after awhile no green beetles only brown which the birds can't see to eat

THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE!

[b]
So - now you have God creating something specifically to destroy it. Is that congruent with 'God is Life'? Nope. [/b[

You have to assume God created it first.

[b]Animals eat animals because of sin[b]

You assume that animals have a concept of sin. Or that, y'know, God seemed to favour the humans.

... so you have NO evolution/natural selection without sin. Where did sin come from?

What.

Oh, the canned answer is evolutionary theory doesn't deal with religious topics ...

Which it doesn't, being a science and all.

but then wait - if no sin, no evolution ... oh, but notice there's NO sin in the creation account in Genesis - sin comes in AFTER.

Because God didn't already have such a concept in His almighty cranium?

You demonstrate a total lack of understanding of evolution. Go back to Elementary School Science class.

2/25/2013 5:40:11 AM

videogame nerd

As stupid as that sentence was, I think he still gets +5 Jesus points for KNOWING how evolution works.

2/25/2013 5:44:18 AM

Miste Spak

"Animals eat animals because of sin ... so you have NO evolution/natural selection without sin."

Sin is imaginary so everything that follows is fail.

2/25/2013 6:04:32 AM

D Laurier

Genesis is an alternative rock band fronted by Peter Gabriel.

Animals eat because they dont want to starve to death.

"sin" is a nonsense concept.

2/25/2013 6:12:13 AM

Doubting Thomas

I think your problem is that you are trying to insert religion into a scientific theory. Get rid of all that God nonsense and then natural selection makes sense.

2/25/2013 6:51:37 AM

pete

Hmmmmmm. It has been awhile since I read the Buybull but I don't recall the part about animals and insects committing sins. And what sin did the plants commit that resulted in them being munched by the ton even before your alleged fall?

2/25/2013 6:56:08 AM

Deep Search

Right, a human ate a fruit that made god super mad and that resulted in evolution. But only after god did all the things first... That makes *so much* more sense than anything logic and science has come up with.

Although, if we're supposedly made from dirt, and also in god's own image, I guess that would make god a dirt bag. Actually would be pretty accurate.

2/25/2013 7:17:47 AM

JSS

"So - now you have God creating something specifically to destroy it. Is that congruent with 'God is Life'? Nope."

Surely you aren't talking about the God who plans on destroying the Earth as per that infallible account by John of Patmos in the book of Revelation.

2/25/2013 7:37:00 AM

dionysus

Does your brain resemble this?:


Because I can't see how anyone can think like this without their neurons being a hopeless, twisted, tangled mess. However, I can still debunk this mess by going after the one loose wire (the source) rather than go after the whole mess you have here. The loose wire here is that you are assuming that sin is the cause of all death and that's not a valid assumption.

2/25/2013 7:44:46 AM

OhJohnNo

This ain't too bad, I guess. At least he admits evolution happens.

2/25/2013 7:46:21 AM

Dr. Razark

The simple answer is that sin is a bullshit concept.

2/25/2013 7:47:42 AM

anevilmeme

Visions of sharks and tigers eating plants danced in the fundies head......

2/25/2013 8:04:52 AM

Hasan Prishtina

In Jerusalem there's a zoo that specializes in the animals mentioned in the Bible. An Israeli joke tells that when the zoo opened it put out ads saying "Come and see the lion lie down with the lamb!" When they came, the people asked "How is this possible?" "Because," the lionkeeper said, "it's a different lamb every day."

2/25/2013 8:16:31 AM

J. James

So close, and yet, so far.

2/25/2013 8:18:33 AM

Papabear

"Is that congruent with 'God is Life'?"

Nope, it's just one more example of how wrong the Bible is.

"Animals eat animals because of sin..."

So lions and tigers and bears had lustful thoughts and so God made them carnivores? Bunnies and horsies, apparently were pure of heart. Or, did you God take out his rage (not a perfect quality for a perfect being) by making lions and tigers and bears into carnivores to punish humans for thinking nasty thoughts?

2/25/2013 8:28:41 AM

Binky

I think this takes circular reasoning to a new level. It has cycles and epicycles of reasoning.

2/25/2013 8:29:38 AM

Gearheadmk2

So, he started getting it right, but derailed it so he could go on a bog-standard SIENZE EES EVYL rant.

I give up on these people.

2/25/2013 8:46:45 AM

Anon-e-moose

"So - now you have God creating something specifically to destroy it. Is that congruent with 'God is Life'? Nope."

The charming and heartwarming tale of the Ophiocordyceps unilateralis fungus and the Stink Ant of Cameroon.

Is this the product of a loving God? Something that not even the writers of the "Hellraiser", "Saw" and "Hostel" films would never have dared inflict upon an animal, never mind a human, in these scenarios?

Both species existed millions of years before humans, therefore you don't have the right to use the excuse of 'Sin', 'The Fall' & all that religious bullshit.

2/25/2013 9:02:25 AM

SpukiKitty

So - now you have God creating something specifically to destroy it. Is that congruent with 'God is Life'? Nope.

So I guess you don't believe in all that jazz with The Flood, Ten Plagues & Conquest/Genocide of Canaan, either, huh?

Now! About that Bombardier Beetle....

2/25/2013 9:03:19 AM

JGC

"Animals eat animals because of sin"

There's your problem right there: animals don't eat animals because of sin but because they're carnivores.

2/25/2013 9:31:59 AM

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