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If I'm understanding you correctly, you object to Craig believing that it's not ok for him to kill another, but it's ok for his god to. Why wouldn't a god who made something do as he pleases? Why wouldn't he have the right to set the rules for his creation, but exempt himself? I'm not seeing a conflict here, if you consider the position of the man in relation to his god. Now if a man were to set the rules for others to follow, but he himself didn't... oh, wait, we already have that. Never mind...

H1p0cr8s, The Friendly Athiest blog 43 Comments [4/2/2013 3:30:38 AM]
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Mike Litoris

W T F ?

4/2/2013 3:55:25 AM

Passerby

And, this is supposed to make God seem like less of a tyranical monster unworthy of worship, love, or respect?

4/2/2013 3:58:55 AM

Filin De Blanc

So because someone happens to have fancy magic powers they get to ignore the rules of morality? I'll tell Voldemort that.

4/2/2013 3:59:54 AM

Darwin

"Why wouldn't a god who made something do as he pleases?"

Fully agree, and it means that your god is a prick.

4/2/2013 4:20:25 AM

Agahnim

It's still wrong.

4/2/2013 4:33:47 AM

Doubting Thomas

Why wouldn't a god who made something do as he pleases?

Because "might makes right" is a shitty concept to follow, even when it comes to worshiping gods.

Now if a man were to set the rules for others to follow, but he himself didn't... oh, wait, we already have that.

Yes, it's called the GOP.

4/2/2013 4:47:04 AM

Swede

That god must first present tangible evidence that he, and only he, created the world and everything/everyone in it.
Do parents have the right to kill their children? After all, they created them.


4/2/2013 4:52:16 AM

Blue_J

My response to this kind of sophistry isn't to get outraged; it's simply to point out that using this logic the phrase "God is good" involves massive equivocation regarding the meaning of the word "good."

There's nothing internally inconsistent with claiming that your God is powerful enough that he can do whatever he wants and nobody will stop him; however to do so and also claim that he exemplifies what we call "morality" constitutes a major inconsistency in your religion.

4/2/2013 4:56:36 AM

Mister Spak

"If I'm understanding you correctly, you object to Craig believing that it's not ok for him to kill another, but it's ok for his god to. Why wouldn't he have the right to set the rules for his creation, but exempt himself?"

You're absolutly right. That's why it's OK for muslims to kill infidels. Allah said so.

"Now if a man were to set the rules for others to follow, but he himself didn't... oh, wait, we already have that." It's called christianity.

4/2/2013 5:18:08 AM

ScrappyB

So it's OK for parents to kill their kids then, huh? That's the argument this guy is making for god.

What do you bet this person is anti-abortion too?

4/2/2013 5:47:00 AM

Paler_Face

Why wouldn't a god who made something do as he pleases?

As soon as him/her/it allegedly gave us free will, he lost the right to impose his/her/its will over ours.

Why wouldn't he have the right to set the rules for his creation, but exempt himself?

Because that would make him/her/it a massive hypocrite.

I'm not seeing a conflict here, if you consider the position of the man in relation to his god.

The conflict is between man's free will (supposedly given by god), and gods undermining of said free will by imposing his own will on us.


4/2/2013 5:55:11 AM

dionysus

Sure, God COULD exempt himself from morality. After all, he's a god, who's going to stop him? However, that would still make him an immoral prick and a dictator. When you have absolute, unassailable power you CAN do what you please. But morality is not about what you CAN do, it's about what you SHOULD do. "With great power comes great responsibility". Sound familiar? Because that quote shows that even a comic book writer is infinitely more moral than your god.

4/2/2013 6:46:16 AM

Seeker Lancer

The bigger question is why would you worship such a reprehensible creature?

If he's the reason the universe exists maybe it would've been better off not existing.

4/2/2013 6:48:16 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child."

-Robert A. Heinlein

"Now if a man were to set the rules for others to follow, but he himself didn't... oh, wait, we already have that. Never mind..."

...oh yes, that's right. You've just exposed your own double standards in the matter. It's called right-wing Fundamentalist Christian hypocrisy.

Example: 'Save the unborn child!', re. abortion, but should someone shoot up a school full of kids - and he's sentenced to death, it's 'Execute the monster!' Yet you do nothing to ensure said schools can't be shot up in the first place, because of your more-than God-like worship of the 2nd Amendment.

No school shootings in Japan.

Seems then, that Shinto's Sun Goddess Amaterasu, coupled with their Goddess of Mercy Kwannon, are the few exceptions, re. Sci-Fi author Robert A. Heinlein's quote.

Doesn't say much for your Biblegod, Hlp0cr8s.

4/2/2013 6:56:47 AM

Papabear

Because:
A) a perfect being wouldn't do that
B) assuming God wants converts, he, as an omniscient being, would know how such behavior would derail the conversions of many people.

Unless you're claiming that people are perfect, the fact that some humans don't follow their own rules is not important.

4/2/2013 7:07:53 AM

Ebon

Your god is a tyrannical monster utterly unworthy of worship.

4/2/2013 7:08:12 AM

John

Why wouldn't a god who made something do as he pleases?

Is it OK for somebody to kill their kids? Is it OK for the guys who assembled your car at the factory to come to your house and take a sledge hammer to it? Would you be OK with the treasury coming to your house and confiscating all your cash?

Besides, why would it please God to kill people?

4/2/2013 7:30:35 AM

breakerslion

"Why wouldn't he have the right to set the rules for his creation, but exempt himself?

Why would a god create a universe that follows physical laws just to run around breaking them? That's called cheating.

4/2/2013 7:34:08 AM

emau99

Why wouldn't a god who made something do as he pleases?

That would depend on whether or not that God wanted to be an immoral tyrant or not.

It's been well established that the concept of "Might makes Right" is a poor basis for morality. If we puny humans can figure that out in our comparatively brief time on this planet, surely an all-powerful, all-knowing, deity would have figured it out eons ago, and have devised out a better, more moral, system for managing its creation.

Why wouldn't he have the right to set the rules for his creation, but exempt himself?

That would make your hypothetical perfect deity the biggest hypocrite in the universe.

I'm not seeing a conflict here, if you consider the position of the man in relation to his god.

Giving life to something doesn't entitle you to ownership of it. Your children aren't your property, to be mistreated and/or discarded at your whim. Why would the alleged author of all morality treat his creations as less than cattle?

4/2/2013 7:52:37 AM

GigaGuess

If he created man, then he certainly has the right to destroy, I suppose. But I do not have to smile and be cheery about it. I will call such a creature a monster, and rightfully so. And that is how you portray God...as a petty, vindictive monster.

4/2/2013 8:02:19 AM

freako104

I call poe. I had a hard time until I sounded out the username which is dead give away

4/2/2013 8:10:00 AM

Pule Thamex

Ah! Now I see. Now I know why Bible God is so beloved of Homo droolensis. It's because He can kill as He pleases with little or no concern for the feelings of men and women, and very little concern, probably, for the feelings of their children. He does indeed sound like the type of God that dribbling morons or raving lunatics would salivate over in their mad rush to worship Him.

4/2/2013 9:19:44 AM



"Why wouldn't a god who made something do as he pleases?"

Objective Moral Code/Standard... even God is subject to it.

4/2/2013 10:21:12 AM

Sasha

Please tell us more. We need the ammunition in our fight to convince Christians to leave their faith.

4/2/2013 10:51:34 AM

Malingspann

"introduce this guy to that castration day loon"

That would be like a piece of matter colliding head-on with a piece of antimatter. Question is, which one of them would be the matter?

4/2/2013 11:19:07 AM

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