[Neopagan fundie reviews a children's comedy novel about the Norse gods visiting London]
Not a Suitable Subject for a Novel
What authors like Francesca Simon fail to understand is that Wodenism is a living and growing religion in England. It is the original and natural religion of the ethnic English people. The Gods of the English are in many[but not all] cases the same deities honoured by the other modern day descendants of the pre-xtian Germanic peoples, whether they be of English, German, Dutch or Scandinavian descent.
Making fun of our deities in a novel dishonours our Gods and causes offense to those of us who follow the ancestral Gods.
I would ask therefore that all potential purchasers of this book take that into account.
On a different note I would recommend that if anyone were to author a book about our Gods to at least be consistent with the names of our deities and not mix Anglo-Saxon and Norse names! I notice from browsing the book via Amazon book search facility that whilst Woden is referred to by his correct English name, Thunor is called by his Norse name Thor. Likewise Tiw is referred to as Tyr.
Lastly I would like to point out that as London is no longer a city inhabited by a majority ethnically English population it would be the last place in England that the Gods would choose to "return" to. They are ANCESTRAL Gods after all! Unlike the middle-eastern god our Gods do not consider themselves to be universal or require the whole world to worship them. They exist in the DNA of their people, their folc.
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Aren't Odin, Thor, et. al. technically immigrant deities who displaced Dagda, Cernunnos, Morrighan et. al.?
Just so everyone knows, "Wulf V" here is Wotans Krieger, the infamous smelly Nazi who worships a television series and thinks Hitler was an incarnation of Wotan.
"They exist in the DNA of their people, their folc."
Really, Krieger? Any evidence to back up this claim? Spoken to any geneticists about your theory?
"Making fun of our deities in a novel dishonours our Gods and causes offense to those of us who follow the ancestral Gods."
So, has anyone else condemned this novel for the same reason, Krieger? If not, then perhaps you should consider the possibility that you are the only person alive who finds this book offensive.
[With apologies to the Jerry Springer Opera]
So you went and poked out your eye - oooh!
So you hanged yourself on a tree - oooh!
When Ragnarok comes you'll die,
Here's a little biscuit from me!
Unlike the middle-eastern god our Gods do not consider themselves to be universal or require the whole world to worship them. They exist in the DNA of their people, their folc.
Yet you insist on transplanting them from Norway to Britain, and calling immigrants the 'ethnic' English, and adding a fictional character from 15th century literature to the Norse pantheon based on a 'prophecy' written by Richard Carpenter for a TV show in the 1980's. So, where does the Scarlet Pimpernel fit into the picture if you're including all the holy scriptures?
Creedence Leonore Gielgud wins 1 Internet.
Unlike the middle-eastern god our Gods do not consider themselves to be universal or require the whole world to worship them.
Ah, yes. The good old times when multiple pantheons did exist by each other's side.
Well, if they're not universal, they're not gods, then, are they.
I just browsed his other reviews at Amazon. Hilarious.
For example his 5-star review for the item “Big Chunky Stainless Steel Thors Viking Mjolnir Hammer Pendant (Chain “:
This truly is a "beast of a hammer" and the manliest I have come across so far.[...] The hammer features a bearded Thor`s head but its design is not effeminate like some pendants. *
And the very next review is for a bright pink DVD-player
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*[bolding mine]
ETA: Damn, I wanted to submit his "King Arthur" review to RSTDT, but someone beat me to it!
@Kuno
I particularly liked this review of a wooden mallet:
"I bought this mallet to use as a ceremonial Thunor`s Hammer for my Wodenist ritual work. The product is cheap to buy and I found it easy to transform it by carving runes in both sides of the head, staining them with red ink and then adding a generous layer of oak coloured wood stain to give it an aged and oak-like appearance."
Not only are these people trying to pass off a 1980s TV script as an "ancient prophecy", their "aged" ceremonial hammers are just mass-produced mallets bought on Amazon.
Oh, joy. A neo-pagan fundie. At least the Christians aren't alone in having loud idiots making everyone look bad.
As a worshipper of the Roman gods, I find this guy to be downright absurd. The gods are happy with our worship, but they could care less what we say about them. We can write all sorts of stories about them, and they don't care. They're not going to get all worked up over a crappy novel, TV show, or movie. They are not jealous or vengeful. Perhaps the Norse gods have thinner skins, but I think the problem is more likely on Wulf's end.
@Miles Gloriosus
Oh, joy. A neo-pagan fundie.
That’s nothing new. Wotans Krieger has quite a few of his quotes featured on this site, he sometimes even shows up here in the comments to amuse us with even more quotable material.
The book looks cute. Dunno if it is a good read, but at least the premise is not completely tired.
As for the reviewer, well... The old gods are very good characters and have very good stories - way better than the christian one actually - but they are still characters in a story. Don't get all pissy if a fanfiction derides them a bit.
"Making fun of our deities in a novel dishonours our Gods"
...meanwhile, in Charing Cross Tube station:
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'Mind The Gap'. X3
[/"Thor: The Dark World"]
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[/"MLP:FiM"] /)^3^(\
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Belldandy (l) the Norn of the Present; Urd (c) the Norn of the Past; and Skuld (r) the Norn of the Future, from the long-running manga by Kosuke Fujishima "Ah! My Goddess".
...let me know when not just the last book via Amazon.co.uk has dishonoured your 'Gods', and causes offence to you, to the extent that you have an aneurysm, Wulfiepoos. >:D
"Lastly I would like to point out that as London is no longer a city inhabited by a majority ethnically English population it would be the last place in England that the Gods would choose to "return" to."
...aaaaaaand lastly, I would like to point out to you the first pic; like I say, Charing Cross Tube station. London . Your argument is invalid .
Blessed be His Excelsior!ness Stan Lee, and the Great God Jack Kirby.
Hey! The Norse gods are OURS! Not the English people's.
Has there ever been an ethnically English population? I thought it was Celts and Saxons and Britons and Normans, etc.
London is no longer a city inhabited by a majority ethnically English population
This is true... we push out the English back when we invaded and ethnically cleansed the country of Celts. I mean, they are the ones that were here long before the Anglo-Saxons, and they had a nice religion going before the Anglo-Saxons showed up, so theirs is the original and natural religion of the ethnic English.
But I guess you didn't know about that...
Come on. This is like a homophobe finding a homosexual agenda in The Odd Couple . Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but it's more likely there isn't, and frankly, who cares?
I like how the first review he ever posted was for an obscure Elvis movie.
But Wotans Krieger, I thought Elvis destroyed white music (like glorious Wagnerian opera of Aryan spirit you clearly like) by introducing negro influences into it! And he promoted race mixing!
Dude, I'm a pretty devout Pagan. I love and worship Norse Dieties too, but I still like reading/ watching the Avengers. Super Hero Squad is kind of dumb, but I don't consider it offensive.
Titania
"@aebars, my thoughts, too. I believe their ancestral deities would have been of Celtic origin and the "immigrant deities" didn't show up until the Vikings invaded. "
I suggest you invest in a book about the origins of England, the creation of the Germanic tribes from 449CE onwards although there was a Germanic presence in what eventually became England for centuries before that.The Gods of the Anglo-Saxons are the same deities as those of the Vikings.
Swede
"Hey! The Norse gods are OURS! Not the English people's.
Has there ever been an ethnically English population? I thought it was Celts and Saxons and Britons and Normans, etc."
You fucking moron. Why don`t you invest in some history books and stop talking out of your fat turnip arse?
The Celts, Britons and Normans have nothing to do with the English tribes who emigrated from Southern Denmark, the Netherlands and Northern Germany. The English are those people who trace their descent from the Germanic tribes who came to Britain in the mid 5th century and other kindred Germanic peoples.
@1644801
You fucking moron. Why don`t you invest in some history books and stop talking out of your fat turnip arse?
The Celts, Britons and Normans have nothing to do with the English tribes who emigrated from Southern Denmark, the Netherlands and Northern Germany. The English are those people who trace their descent from the Germanic tribes who came to Britain in the mid 5th century and other kindred Germanic peoples.
Manners, dearie, manners. It's a bit rude to come here and throw expletives around you, and don't give so much as a nickname.
So, the "English" were Germanic people? I wasn't that far off in my question, then.
I've heard of ventriloquists, but never of analloquists, and I'm definitely not one myself.
Have a nice day!
The Gods have a sense of humour... they made you, didn't they?
The Norse pantheon put up with Loki for all that time, so I think they can handle a bit of mockery.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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