Quote# 114251

In the end, Esau did receive a much lesser blessing. However, the birthright continued to remain with Jacob, including the dew of heaven and the fatness of the earth, while Esau was to live by the sword and with one major caveat. At a given point, Esau was to gain the dominion and break Jacob’s yoke of oppression. This is now occurring as the Edomites (descended from Esau) are in charge of the large banking cartels, entertainment, cinema, television, and financial strongholds in the lands settled by Jacob’s offspring.


The failure of men to rule and lead their wives, the home, and other venues can be followed throughout the Bible in the examples of Jacob and Rachel, Ahab and Jezebel, Nabal and Abigail, Herod and Herodias, Ananias and Sapphira, and many others. The failure of men to rule and lead is clearly marked in the history of our people. Remnant Christians live in a culture pulsating with feminization. Today women dominate the world. Who must bear the blame? Not the women! They have become the head and men the tail because the men for far too long have simply failed to rule and lead.

Pastor Dan Gayman, Church of Israel 18 Comments [11/8/2015 4:50:10 AM]
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Quote# 136023

Chechnya's Ramzan Kadyrov launches new crackdown on drug users

Reports follow on from last year's anti-gay purge that left dozens of young men reported missing, some feared dead

Soon after his arrest, 31-year-old Magomed-Alki Mezhidov was delivered to a police cell in Shali, in the republic of Chechnya. There, detectives put terminals on his fingertips and turned on the current. They said they would torture him until he admitted to possessing drugs. Cries of pain would not stop them. No-one had survived such questioning without eventually admitting their crime, they said.

Allegations of sadist interrogation techniques by Chechen security services are not new. Last year, the world found out about a state-led campaign of torture against gays in the region; a purge that resulted in dozens of young men reported missing, some feared dead.

But these latest details, reported by the independent Russian publication Republic, suggest the region’s erratic and all-powerful chief Ramzan Kadyrov has found himself a new target: drug users.

According to the publication, Mezhidov's arrest was one of dozens, possibly hundreds carried out in recent months, in an almost exact mirror of the anti-gay purge. This time at least, no deaths have been reported. Instead, Republic carries claims of arbitrary arrests, extreme interviewing techniques, and torture.

Mr Kadyrov has long presented himself as a warrior against drugs. His first comments on the issue came in May 2006, where he drew a straight line between drug use, Wahhabism and terrorism.

“It is one and the same thing,” he was reported as saying. “The drug user is no less of a source of evil than the terrorist, because he hooks the youth into dependence, and they are the future of our republic.”

In September 2016, Mr Kadyrov called on his security forces to kill drug users — anyone who “disturbs peace in the Chechen Republic” — on sight.

“Shoot them, to hell with them," he is quoted as saying. "Nothing matters - the law, no law. Shoot them, do you understand. As-salamu Alaykum! That’s law for you!”

Later, officials said his comments had been taken out of context.

According to Tanya Lokshina, chief Russia researcher at Human Rights Watch and expert on the region, the reported crackdown would not be Mr Kadyrov's first violent campaign against drug users.

“His authorities have routinely organised special operations to 'cleanse’ the region of what they consider to be undesirables,” she told The Independent. “Last year, the gay community was one of the targeted groups, but operations against suspected drug users have been going on for some time.”

In interviews given to activists and journalists, survivors of the Chechen gay purge mentioned that drug users and suspected jihadists were frequently detained and tortured in the same secret facilities.

Activists contend that a large number of those detained and tortured are simply critics of the Kadyrov regime. It is unclear how many of last year's 507 drug-related arrests fall under this category. Almost certainly, last week’s arrest of 60-year-old human rights activist Oyub Titiev is one of them. Police say they uncovered 180g of marijuana from his car; he says the drugs were planted and a confession forced out of him.

Mr Titiev is a well-known critic of the region’s irascible leader, and took over running the Chechen office of rights organisation Memorial after the 2009 murder of his colleague, Natalia Estemirova.

Chechen authorities have yet to respond to the allegations contained in the new Republic investigation.

Ramzan Kadyrov, The Independent 5 Comments [1/16/2018 3:13:46 PM]
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Quote# 131014

Christopher Columbus statue vandalized. Antifa, BLM thinks Genghis Khan and Attila The Hun would have given Native Americans a fairer shake!

donald, Twitter 17 Comments [8/26/2017 11:10:07 PM]
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Quote# 67732

ATTENTION: You can say your RCC relatives were saved, your Mormon relatives were saved, etc. Your words and declarations don't mean one iota of anything when it comes to determining salvation. It seems to me that you are just here to promote all kinds of false and pagan religions like the RCC, Mormons, and Buddhists. You are are pretty much saying that it's OK if people practice all kinds of ungodly and satanic rituals as long as they believe in Jesus.

Christian cults take the basics of christianity and then they add the special "seasoning" to it to make it what they want it to be. The RCC adds "works" to grace. The Mormons believe in a a different Jesus and wear funky underwear. The Masons bow down to every pagan idol they can find and end up worshipping the devil. satan is behind every pagan religion.

The Bible says that even the demons believe, and they surely aren't saved. Stucky, you seem to be "stuck" in pagan nonsense and it appears that you are not able to face the fact that if your RCC wife did not believe in faith alone in Jesus Christ, then there is a chance she placed her faith elsewhere. And placing your faith in anything but the Lord Jesus Christ will earn one a swift ride to Hell. That's not judgment, that is the Word of God. where your wife is now is between her and the Lord. He knows her heart.

However, we will not be promoting cults and running around here saying that if you are involved in them that is fine and dandy. so far, you have said your relatives involved in false, pagan, and ungodly religious cults are all saved, etc. This is basically refuting the Bible. We won't have anymore of that here.

Chris, Rapture Ready 33 Comments [11/24/2009 7:17:39 PM]
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Quote# 30743

People, with the knowledge, have the ability from the devil to have "out of body experiences". They can "visit" you in your home or wherever, without you knowing it unless they choose to make themselves visible to you. They also frequently "visit" or spy on you in the form of a black bird or some other animal. A witch personally told me they do this.

Whenever I see a black bird outside through the window, or just several times during the day, I say,

"Father, in the name of Jesus, I cut and burn all the ungodly silver cords." Silver cord is the term they use that connects their body to wherever their "visiting".

Stan and Elizabeth Madrak, Demonbuster 45 Comments [11/2/2007 5:58:57 PM]
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Quote# 46781

[On preparing for the rapture]

Well, I can totally agree with your actions. I've been getting regular haircuts in anticipation of the Rapture. I'm not sure if our hair will continue to grow in our glorified bodies, maybe it will? So, just in case I started making sure my hair always looks nice for Jesus. I really do feel like I'm getting ready for a wedding somedays.

Not Perfect, But Forgiven, Rapture Ready 45 Comments [9/8/2008 7:05:00 AM]
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Quote# 118313

Exactly i agree what you have said.Actually children can already consent to sexual activity when they are at 12 but the society force them to be immature as prolong as possible to 16 or 18.
In which it seems like children cannot consent but it is not because of their ability but it is the fault of the society that want children to be in the way they favored to be by raise our children up immature which it is wrong.
If it's prepubescent children i could understand that they cannot consent due to because their body is not physical mature but people generally already reach the puberty at 12 or 13 ,so at that age they are not prepubescent children.

stephannoi, debate.org 19 Comments [4/19/2016 2:44:51 PM]
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Quote# 8011

Now, the reason why I believe that an infinite God exists is because it is necessary logically. The world had to have had a beginning, as the Second Law of Thermodynamics says, and that fact demands that it have a Creator. If this Creator were less than infinite, He would have to have been created Himself, and so it would go on and on infinitely. But such an infinite regress is impossible with finite beings, so to avoid irrationality we must assume that there was an infinite Creator. [emphasis added]

Fatih and Reason, Evolution Fairytale Forum 17 Comments [9/30/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 42713

[on witnessing techniques]

Say someone thinks they don't need Jesus because they don't think they are sinners, an alternative to using the law, is simply to prove imperfection.


"Oh you think you are a good person huh? I agree, you probably are a good person, and you probably only sin once or twice a day right?"

Sin is what the Bible calls imperfections they are like lying cheating stealing, looking at lust etc.

So say you only sin twice a day, (thats better than me!!) well how many days are in a week?


ok and how many weeks in a year?


ok and so thats 104 sins!!!

Do you think you are going to heaven with all those sins?


thats why Jesus came and died, to pay our bail,

just A=admit your guilt

B=Believe He died for you

And C=commit to recieve the gift of forgiveness


Gradyll, Christian Forums 43 Comments [7/12/2008 11:34:12 AM]
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Quote# 114269

I’m not sure why the modern church seems to think that Godly women can still follow the fads and fashions of the modern world and even ignore modesty and it makes no difference to God. I want to address the issue of modesty and fashion. As we are doing this Bible study I feel like an important point is to address some of the statements that are made in favor of following after the fashion of the world. Let’s look at the scripture first: 1Timothy 2:9 “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But which becometh women professing godliness with good works.” Well! Doesn’t this give us an incredible picture? If we believe the Word of God – the Holy Bible to be in errant, then how can this scripture be ignored so often. I would venture to say it is one of the most often ignored scriptures in the entire Bible.

As I said earlier let’s begin with modesty. What constitutes modesty? Do the runways ofParis’ Fashion Week determine modesty? Ha! Or perhaps the corporate big shots for Walmart? Or perhaps the pastor’s wife? It makes you wonder doesn’t it? Wouldn’t it be nice if all of the pastor’s wives wore modest, Godly apparel to be a good example for the ladies of their church? I have to admit that some do, but sadly many don’t. Let’s define modesty:

Using the Strong’s Concordance:

Modest- 2887 - kosmios

1) well arranged, seemly, modest

Using several modern dictionaries:

marked by simplicity
humble; unpretentious; unassuming; simple; limited
neither bold nor self-assertive
intended to avoid attracting sexual interest

I think these definitions really do give us a fairly good picture of what we are looking for here. (Please note number 5 from the modern dictionaries section and no, this was not from a Biblical dictionary but from a secular one. Interesting.) There are so many topics that we could take off on at the moment – rabbit trails really, but I want to stick to the main point. When we began our move toward a plain lifestyle, we wondered whether or not simple clothing was all that mattered. Actually we did try to just wear dresses that were fairly modest and unassuming. I had a wide assortment of simple jumpers and tee shirts for underneath. These seemed to cover, not expose the shape, and couldn’t have been more inexpensive to make. So they appeared to follow what I was after. Until one day when I went to the local bakery store. We had already started wearing headcoverings which will be discussed as part of this Bible study, and I had on a nice simple denim jumper with the long sleeve tee shirt underneath. As I went to the check-out counter, the lady looked at me very peculiar and said, “You wear the same clothing as everybody else but what is that thing on your head?” I was stunned. Not about her question on the headcovering, but more on her saying that I wore the same clothing as everybody else. Here are thought I had really made a change and made an evident statement in my modest jumper and simple shirt that I was different.

I was modest in the technical sense, but I was not modest in the Godly sense that I was after. The Holy Spirit had really convicted me that as a born again, Bible believing creation that I needed to be modest in the fashion sense as well. Now there’s no question that the fashion industry would consider a simple denim jumper and long sleeve tee shirt extremely modest, but I’m not trying to compare myself to their criteria. What I truly wanted to compare myself to was what the Lord saw as modest and unadorned. And truthfully, I don’t expect to ignite a fire of plain dressed women across America with this Bible study, but I do want to point out that even the world understands that there is a great deal of difference.

Let me take a little sidetrack at the moment and go ahead and address folks who say that what we wear has nothing to do with what is on the inside. They love to use 1 Samuel 16:7 –“But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.” Isn’t it amazing how clearly this seems to point to the opposite of what I have been saying? Boy, they really got me on this one. Ha! (Yes, that was being sarcastic.) The truth is this doesn’t really contradict with the idea of dress being unimportant. It is really speaking to the concept of people judging someone’s worth based on their appearance. And certainly I am not advocating that. This being said, we do need to realize that while we are not to judge others we are to make sure that our own appearance is appropriate as pertains to a child of God.

Several years ago when I was listening to a tape about a godly woman’s clothing, the speaker commented that whenever a woman’s shape was clearly defined underneath her clothing, this was considered immodest. If you think about it this way, this means that if the underside of a curve can be seen then you have a problem- that means the curve of the breast, waist, hips, and thigh. I encourage you to examine yourself in your clothing in front of the mirror. Bend over. You will be surprised at what you see.

Before I close this section to allow for comments let me speak on the issue of shamefacedness (Strong’s – 127 aidos – a sense of shame or honour, modesty, bashfulness, reverence, regard for others, respect) and sobriety ( Strong’s – 4997 s?phrosyn? –soundness of mind, self-control, sobriety). When I think of these two words I do not think of pink lipstick, Cosmopolitan magazine, skin-tight sweaters, chunky blond-streaked frosted hair, and skirts so tight that they require of slit so that you can walk. Shall we even mention rings on every finger and two or three holes in each ear lobe?

Angelia, shepherd hill home 26 Comments [11/8/2015 11:31:02 AM]
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Quote# 1242

[On Genesis]

It is different from a regular account because God chose to tell us the story in His way. Why He chose to tell the story in such a way is not a question that we are authorised to ask.

Frivolous, Internet Infidels 10 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 54503

[when asked a series of questions about her completely illogical views on gay marriage]

1. I define marriage as the deep, lifelong, committal love between a man and a woman.
2. I've looked up the definition in the dictionary for marriage and have seen clearly what I stated above about a man and woman. I believe this to be the case just as much as it's impossible for a Christian to have a bar mitzvah, it's a Jewish initiation.
3. My personal experience with homosexuals has been bad. I was part of a group of them that were very promiscuous and they teased for being a goody two shoes to the point where I ran away either to end my life or finally have sex,(I was slow to develop physically and by that time I had no self esteem.) I've been in treatment for the last two years and have run into more types of people than a average person would in a lifetime. When I think of homosexuals I think of promiscuity.
4.Yes, it has to do with my beliefs, but that is not all of it. I'm not using God's commands as evidence, I'm debating my belief. An argument is an argument no matter what background the person comes from.

skinnybrunette20, gURL.com 50 Comments [12/19/2008 6:36:12 PM]
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Quote# 3379

This entire subject is based on the mind, and how you think. Period. That is extremely relevant. If you do not think those thoughts, this conversation would never be brought up. The only way to do this is by thinking correct? How is the mind irrelevant than? The question is, does the bible prohibit such thoughts, and does it tell us what to contemplate on.

Venom, ABC Bodybuilding Forum 0 Comments [7/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 115637

I could never knowingly date a woman who was not a virgin. I find them disgusting. I don't find married women or women who have boyfriends disgusting because I don't think about them that way, but when it's time to actually date someone, I would never be with a woman if she was not a virgin.

Years ago when I first started analyzing this I thought it was only the "slutty" women I didn't like, but no, it's the sex act itself. That someone else has been inside my girlfriend or wife... I don't understand how anyone can live with that thought. I see an extremely vivid image of that happening in my mind and I feel such disgust I can't live with it.

I'm not religious and I have no moral objection to any of this stuff. I simply find it disgusting. I just don't want to believe that no women that I (initially) like are romantic or strong-willed enough to wait for the right man.

This way of thinking seems very rare in Western countries. Some may say they prefer a virgin, but are too realistic to completely shut non-virgins out of their dating life. So, any thoughts? Do you know anyone like me? Have you ever met a woman who thinks this way? I sure haven't.

Puffi, INTJForum 36 Comments [1/14/2016 3:50:20 PM]
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Quote# 15050

More like the story of Gilgamesh is a modified copy of the story of Noah. The so-called experts, athiests who also admit their main reason for distorting the evidence they find is to prove Christians wrong, all believe that Gilgamesh is older but there is plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.

sweetbilly, youtube 31 Comments [9/17/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 111258

By all means bring in the false idols...cue the violins, we're going down in flames, we'll need some Roman music and more cowbell, of course. Hindus have the Golden Bull they worship as a main deity, does that sound familiar?

Leslie, Christian News Network 22 Comments [8/10/2015 6:01:08 AM]
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Quote# 104976

We received an email today: “I had an opportunity to attend a Bill Nye book signing in Paramus, New Jersey last night. He reacted as if he had never seen this tract. The tract's banana illustration, "The Atheist's Nightmare," amused him. He was good natured and told me that he was going to read it. God Bless, Robert.”

It sounds like Bill Nye has more of a sense of humor than the average atheist. God bless him.

Over a million copies of “The Atheist Test” have sold. It not only shows that atheism is “senseless” (Sir Isaac Newton’s choice of words), but it shows how it’s scientifically impossible for any person to be an atheist.

Ray Comfort, Facebook 39 Comments [11/29/2014 5:56:03 PM]
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Quote# 124625

Fear Or Respect?

As a new Christian I didn’t like the idea of fearing God. It didn’t seem right that this same Jesus who came to earth to die for my sins was Someone I needed to be afraid of. When I asked about this, everyone said, “Oh, that doesn’t mean that we should be afraid of God. It just means that we should respect Him.”

Each time I read “fear” I would think “respect.” But I wondered why it was only that word that people told me to change. If the Greek or Hebrew word was “respect,” why did the translators insist on using “fear”? I didn’t like changing a word in my Bible just because it made me feel uncomfortable.

Today, when I read “fear” in my Bible I think “fear.” And it’s not because I’ve learned Greek and Hebrew and I now know that the original word was indeed fear and the translators were right. It’s because I not only respect God, I’m afraid of Him.
Jesus Scares Me

Just like the disciples were afraid of Jesus when they began to understand what it really meant to be in a personal relationship with God in the flesh:

It scares me that He is so sure of Himself that He refuses to be controlled by my desires and wishes.

It scares me that He is so purposeful that He refuses to be swayed by popular opinion or political correctness.

It scares me that He is so powerful that He could take me out whenever He wants.

It scares me that He is so devoted to my children’s spiritual maturity that He doesn’t consult me concerning the easiest and safest path for their lives.

It scares me that He is willing to do anything, even inflict pain, to draw my loved ones, my friends, and me closer to Him.
And Comforts Me!

And then, just when His power and purposes begin to intimidate me to the point that I want to draw away, I realize that these are the same reasons why I need Him so. And I’m comforted.

It comforts me to know that He ignores the stupid parts of my plans for my life and just goes ahead and does what He wants.

It comforts me to know that He never considers opinion polls or popular trends; He just does what is right.

It comforts me that He is the one who will take me out of this life in His perfect time and in His perfect way–my end on earth will not be a random event determined by chemistry or physics.

It comforts me that He cares more for my children’s eternal well-being than He does for their temporary pleasant and prosperous circumstance.

It comforts me to know that there is Someone perfectly reliable and strong who, more than anything else, wants intimacy with me and those I love. And, that He is willing and able to do whatever it takes to achieve His goal.

So what are you reading, fear or respect? You need to respect God, but you also need a God you can fear. The only Deliverer who can meet your deepest needs.

“He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them!” (Psalm 145:19)

Question: Why do you think we are so afraid of trusting our loving God with the course of our life?

Ed Underwood, Ed Underwood.com 6 Comments [2/18/2017 8:55:38 AM]
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Quote# 46584

Same sex marriage has NEVER existed. Therefore it should never exist. There is nothing new under the sun. The same old sins that ever existed, still pervade culture today.

Now this generation wants to embed the sin even deeper into culture by making a childish plea for marriage. It's like little kids playing house. Silly.

Floating Axe, Christian Forums 47 Comments [9/2/2008 7:11:06 PM]
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Quote# 25794

In response to:

[We were never monkeys.]

i don't know what it is u believe in because most all evolutionist believe so.

crazy4starwars006, Star Wars Forums 20 Comments [5/28/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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