Quote# 15523

Evolution theory on last legs, says seminary teacher
By Dylan T. Lovan, ASSOCIATED PRESS, 5/2/06

LOUISVILLE - To William Dembski, all the debate in this country over evolution won't matter in a decade.
By then, he says, the theory of evolution put forth by Charles Darwin 150 years ago will be dead.

The mathematician turned Darwin critic says there is much to be learned about how life evolved on this planet. And he thinks the model of evolution accepted by the scientific community won't be able to supply the answers.

"I see this all disintegrating very quickly," he said.

Dembski is one of the country's leading proponents of intelligent design, which asserts that certain features of living organisms are best explained by an intelligent cause. The ideas put forth by Dembski's movement have piqued the interest of some school boards, churches and politicians -- including Kentucky's governor and President Bush.

But biologists call Dembski's statements on the death of evolution absurd. They say intelligent design, or ID, has failed as a science, so its supporters are trying to foster interest in a receptive public.

Dembski, who holds a Ph.D. in mathematics and philosophy, teaches a course on intelligent design at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville. He calls Darwinian evolution "viscerally unacceptable" to most Americans.

"It is a reasonable question to ask if there are patterns in biological systems that point us to intelligence," he said in an interview. "It is a reasonable question to ask what are the limits to evolutionary mechanisms."

Kentucky Gov. Ernie Fletcher called design by an intelligent source a "self-evident truth" in his annual State of the Commonwealth address in January. Fletcher has said he would encourage schools to teach the concept.

That is despite a December ruling by a federal judge in Pennsylvania that intelligent design should not be taught as science in Dover, Pa., schools.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones wrote that "overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere relabeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory." Jones found intelligent design failed as a scientific theory because it can't be tested.

"He pretty much pegged it for what it was," said James Krupa, an associate biology professor at the University of Kentucky. "It really should just be called God theory."

Krupa said evolution science is not dying.

"It's the driving force, it's the foundation of all biology," said Krupa, who teaches evolution courses at UK. "Natural selection and evolution theory are getting stronger and stronger."

For the American public, opinions on evolution vary.

According to a 2004 Gallup poll, about 35 percent of Americans think Darwin's theory is well-supported by evidence, another 35 percent said it is not, and 29 percent said they didn't know enough about it.

Several state legislatures are considering bills critical of the traditional teaching of evolution in the classroom. Legislators in Oklahoma and Missouri have introduced measures to change science teaching standards. In Nevada, a masonry contractor has introduced a constitutional amendment that says there are many questions about evolution.

"It's an ongoing debate; I'm not surprised that the public tends to be somewhat interested in it," said Rob Crowther, a spokesman for the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which funds intelligent design research.

That debate is fueled by a belief that Darwinian evolution is linked to atheism, said Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education and a former UK professor.

"This is actually, I think, key to understanding this whole controversy in this country: people think that because science restricts itself to a natural cause, it's therefore saying that God had nothing to do with it," Scott said.

Dembski and other proponents say intelligent design is in its infancy and not yet ready to be taught alongside evolution in the science classroom. Crowther said the Discovery Institute actually opposed the actions by the Pennsylvania school board that brought the federal court case.

"People assume that we must be actively and aggressively seeking for intelligent design to be put in the classroom, and that's not our position," he said. "What should be required in a classroom is more about evolution, and by that we mean students should be able to learn not only the evidence that supports it but also some of the criticisms of the theory."

That is enough for now, Dembski said.

"I guess I would say that even though intelligent design has a long way to go, it seems to me evolutionary theory is so problematic that just about any alternative that's scientific, or has the possibility (of being scientific) should be allowed on the table," he said.

William Dembski, geocities.com 43 Comments [10/1/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 43965

Question: "Help me find current statistics on the "ever growing number of scientists beginning to support Creationism"?"

Answer: "Does it matter? What are numbers to anyone? If you cannot see the evidence of a Creator, then all the stats is not going to convince you."

Ryans s, Yahoo answers 32 Comments [8/1/2008 12:25:31 AM]
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Quote# 35660

[Rinji's siggie]

God is logical.
If he wasn't, then he would have created the grass before the light!
What is the probability God would have gotten all 7 days in the right order if he had no logic?
1 of out 5040 possibilities.

Rinji, Rapture Ready 59 Comments [3/2/2008 4:08:55 AM]
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Quote# 98582

['A local NYC kids' choir just sang "Winter Wonderland." You know, "In the meadow we will build a snow man, we'll pretend that he is Parson Brown" [...] Except, the new words are, "we'll pretend that he's a circus clown..."']

Step by step, day by day, the leftist/muslim alliance strip us of our Judeo-Christian heritage, until you wake up one morning and say “what happened”? Well, it’s happening, slowly but surely, and the real push will come when they try to destroy the 2nd amendment (underway) and then where do you go? Wake up, America, before it’s too late. Merry Christmas and a belated Happy Chanukah to our Jewish posters.

john drake, Free Republic 31 Comments [1/4/2014 5:36:33 AM]
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Quote# 42380

the weak have no mind for god.he is to big for them tocontemplate.they
wallow in a self absorbed notion that they are topintelligance.which
only leads to pain when they realise they are nothing in the end without a creater.to not believe in god limits you to the ground you walk upon instead of the universe you inhabit.

dunedain, crazyshit.com 43 Comments [7/4/2008 2:09:11 PM]
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Quote# 95931

I’m willing to corroborate with angry Europeans, disgusted Americans, and the stste of Israel to finally destroy the grand center of gutter Islam, Mecca & Medina. Then we’ll descend on the capital of every Islamic country. Finally kicking all Islamists out of the UK and France. Where will they go? We’ll set up grand theatres where thay can view The Satanic Verses in celluloid, run in perpetual looop, with the Dutch cartoons providing intermitent comic relief. Sharia Law won’t stand a chance.

J Paul Sullivan, Moonbattery 24 Comments [8/13/2013 3:03:53 AM]
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Quote# 26090

This is a response to someone's post about the new conservative French president invading Syria. His "Biblical" solution is astounding.

Syria, unfortunately, can never be “liberated”.

They have the government they want and if you take it out they will simply replace it with another one just like it, or worse.

The only way you can liberate syria is to extinguish all life in it and move people in who do not have cultural roots to the land.

I look back in the old testament where God ordered the Israelites wipe out every living thing in the land they moved into.

Seems there was a good reason.

Leatherneck MT, Freerepublic 39 Comments [6/5/2007 11:10:43 AM]
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Quote# 5682

The character of Gandalf is presented as a trustworthy, fatherly, heroic, warrior on the on the side of good...but when he fights "evil" wizards, he is using the same means they are - he is using magic that God calls 'abomination': [insert some Bible verses]... God says that all wizards are an abomination to Him...LOTR claims that some wizards are good. I'm going with God on this one.

Jael, Rapture Ready 26 Comments [12/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 123042

I myself dislike homosexuals a lot. I never did like'em and never will like'em. Especially those effeminate ones. Seriously, I get creeps when i'm near one.

I'm scared of them, don't want them near me, I won't get in their way, so I expect the same from them.
Some people say: "even one of your friends can be gay and you don't know it, yet you still like him". If one of my friends is indeed gay then he is hiding it very well, if I knew that he is gay I would simply stop being his friend. I know it sounds rude but that's exactly what I would do.

Keran, Frihost 14 Comments [12/16/2016 12:16:42 PM]
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Quote# 119262

Says the animal about his creator...

See how stupid your answer really is...

Seems the only thing cross on here is your own inability to separate yourself from that which you are caretaker off, to that which is under the caretaker. Is it any wonder you cannot believe in your creator,

I am dealing with facts... We are not animals we gave the names to all individual species and lumped them altogether under the one title animals. The bible makes the clear distinction between man and animal.

I guess the donkeys only know how to eat their carrots because they cannot plough  the fields and sow their own.
Does that make man a different type of ass?

We all see why mankind is mankind and not an animal. Believe what you want because even an animal isn't dumb enough to pretend there is no difference between animals and humans.

Humans are not animals... here endeth the first lesson.

Sassy, Religion and Ethics 13 Comments [5/27/2016 2:52:23 AM]
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Quote# 127499

Babies, and young children who die before they are old enough to understand the gospels and worship Jesus, unfortunately go straight to Hell. This is a Bible fact, and anybody who disagrees is guilty of heresy.
I trust that I have successfully refuted the heresies of the lieberal element that have been smearing the internet with their new-age, pluralist (aka satanic) lies.

On a final note, I would like to add that the thought of all those screaming infants in hell is enough to make you want to avoid the place at all costs, if you needed any more encouragement!

Tony DeMarcus, Pastor Jerry Dixon 20 Comments [5/25/2017 11:37:46 PM]
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Quote# 91213

As long as the majority of the Americans are functionally stupid and elect complete asses to Congress and state offices our nation will continue to drift into even more evil. These weasels have placed sodomites atop a pedestal and conveniently forget what homosexuality begets: illness, suicide and even murders. Homosexuals have committed the large majority of serial killings worldwide.

The degenerate that continues to occupy the White Hut loves homosexuals and lesbians because he continues to edict that they be hired for key positions. He personally never had a girl friend, but was taught by a raging homosexual communist who fed him reefers and whisky. Besides this scum is no doubt an alien who was never granted citizenship and uses a dead man’s social security number. His presence as the nation’s leader goes unchallenged by members of the House and Senate.

IbJensen, Free Republic 40 Comments [12/7/2012 9:22:16 AM]
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Quote# 51501

Call to Prayer: RESIST the Antichrist!!!!

Tonight, I would urge all Christians to PRAY and FAST as they have never done before. The final chapter has arrived. Tomorrow, America looks set to elect the antichrist as its president.

This 'Obama' man is a very shady person indeed. He is totally untrustworthy, with no-one seeming interested to learn about, or dig up, his background. But, if you look at the facts from a Christian perspective, it does not take a genius to figure out that this man is the absolute epitome of the Antichrist.

Obama was born a Muslim and educated at an Islamic school in jihadi country of INDONESIA. Daniel 1 talks about the Antichrist as the “King of the South”. Obama is of the African land of KENYA, which lies to the south of Israel. The Bible also tells us that the Antichrist will come as a man of Peace. We are all sick to death of hearing this man's rants about bringing troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... precisely fulfilling the Biblical prophecy. The Bible also says the Antichrist will be a great and charismatic orator and popular throughout the world - again pointing to Obama.
Still not enough proof?

Then consider this:

Barack: 6 letters; Hussein: 7 letters; Obama: 5 letters.

6+7+5=18=6+6+6 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and
the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or
upon their forehead; and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he
that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. Here
is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast;
for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.
And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a
hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his
Father, written on their foreheads.

Rev 13:16-14:1

I suppose there is the possibility that he may not be the Antichrist, but if not then he will be the false prophet foretold in Revelation. If not, he has certainly had some sort of Satanic / supernatural assistance to come to the threshold of power. Two years ago hardly anyone had heard of him, and Mrs Clinton was a 'dead cert' to receive the Demoncratic nomination. But this man has arisen from no-where, to achieve noteriety within a remarkably short space of time.

If the polls are correct, then mankind is about to witness a terrible series of events. Not long after this election, all Godly people (including myself) will be raptured. Then every demon in hell will be UNLEASHED upon the earth AND THE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD WILL RAIN UPON THE EARTH.

All evolutionists, atheists, agnostics, Hindoos, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, witches, communists, satanists and wannabe 'liberal' Christians will be left behind. What can they expect? The Bible tells us exactly what's coming: FAMINE; PESTILENCE; A MIGHTY WORLDWIDE EARTHQUAKE; ONE THIRD OF THE EARTH BURNT TO A CINDER; A MIGHTY METEORITE CRASHES TO EARTH; ONE THIRD OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION WILL BE MURDERED BY SATAN'S ARMY; NOISOME AND GRIEVOUS SORES ALL OVER YOUR BODY; ALL SEAS AND RIVERS TURN TO BLOOD; AND LOTS MORE BESIDES.

If Barack Hussein Obama wins tomorrow, THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WILL HAPPEN.


Garvan Ellison, The Garvanian 77 Comments [11/6/2008 8:48:42 AM]
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Quote# 134977

Answering a Homosexual Argument

The Destruction of Sodom

Genesis 19:4-9

By Joe Dallas

Before they [the angels visiting Lot to judge the wicked-ness of Sodom and determine whether or not to spare it] had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them [lit., ‘so we may know them’]." Lot went outside to meet them…and said, " No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men…." …And they said, "We’ll treat you worse than them."

Traditional Position:

The men of Sodom were attempting homosexual contact with Lot’s visitors. Sodom was subsequently destroyed for its great wickedness, homosexuality playing a major role in its destruction.

Pro-Gay Argument #1:

Sodom was destroyed because of the inhospitality of its citizens, not because of homosexuality.

Professor John Boswell, in Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality (University of Chicago Press 1980), supports this view, basing it on two assumptions: first, that Lot was violating Sodom’s custom by entertaining guests without the permission of the city’s elders, thus prompting the demand to bring the men out "so we may know them"; second, that the word "to know" did not necessarily have a sexual connotation.

The Hebrew word yada appears 943 times in the Old Testament; it carries a sexual meaning perhaps 10 of those 943 times. The argument, then is that the men of Sodom had no sexual intentions towards Lot’s visitors.


The argument makes no sense in light of Lot’s responses. His first response, "Don’t do this wicked thing," could hardly apply to a simple request to "get to know" his guests. His second response is especially telling: he answered their demands by offering his two virgin daughters-another senseless gesture if the men wanted only a social knowledge of his guests. And why, if these men had innocent intentions, was the city destroyed for inhospitality? Whose rudeness was being judged-Lots’, or Sodom’s citizens?

The theory raises more questions than it answers. While Boswell and Bailey are correct in pointing out the seriousness of inhospitality in Biblical times, inhospitality alone cannot account for the severity of Lot’s response to the men, or for the judgment that soon followed.

Pro-Gay Argument #2:

Sodom was destroyed for attempted rape, not homosexuality.

This argument is more common; it is proposed by lesbian author Virginia Mollenkott and others, and is far more plausible than the "inhospitality" theory.

"Violence-forcing sexual activity upon another-is the real point of this story," Mollenkott explains. Accord-ingly, homosexuality had nothing to do with Sodom’s destruction; had the attempted rape been heterosexual in nature, judgment would have fallen just the same. Violence, not homosexuality, was being punished when Sodom fell.


The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persua-sive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies, but her argument is weaken-ed by Professor Thomas Schmidt’s cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites ‘sexually promiscuous’ (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to ‘Sodom, which departed from the order of nature’ (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were ‘polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh’ (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.

Pro-Gay Argument #3:

The real sins of Sodom, according to Ezekiel 16:49, were that it was "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." These have nothing to do with homosexuality.


Again, the argument is partially true. When Sodom was destroyed, homosexuality was only a part—or symptom—of its wickedness. Romans Chapter One gives a similar illustration, describing the generally corrupt condition of humanity, while citing homosexuality as a symptom of that corruption. But Ezekiel also says of the Sodomites: "They were haughty and did detestable things before me" (16:50). The sexual nature of these "detestable" things is suggested in 2 Peter 2:6-7:

If he (God) condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men…

And again in Jude 7:

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Dr. Bruce Metzger of Princeton Theological Seminary mentions other references to Sodom’s sexual immorality in 3 Maccabees 2:5: "the people of Sodom who acted arrogantly, who were notorious for their vices." And again in Jubilees 16:6: "the uncleanness of the Sodomites."

The pro-gay interpretation of Sodom’s destruction has some merit: homosexual rape was attempted, and the Sodomites were certainly guilty of sins other than homosexuality. But in light of the number of men willing to join in the rape, and the many other references, both Biblical and extra-Biblical, to Sodom’s sexual sins, it is likely homosexuality was widely practiced among the Sodomites. It is also likely that the sin for which they are named was one of many reasons judgment finally fell on them.

Joe Dallas, Jesus People Info 10 Comments [12/8/2017 7:59:55 AM]
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Quote# 141556

Which Came First, Feminism Or Sin?

I've noticed that most people, men and women included, tend to be biased either more toward men or women when it comes to the battle between the sexes. I tend to be biased toward men only because sin, rebellion and indifference always exist together. Did America become wicked because of feminism, or did feminism happen because of our wickedness? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The answer is the chicken. God created all the animals first in Genesis and then they reproduced. Concerning feminism, it came first. Eve desired EQUALITY with God. The serpent told Eve that she and Adam would become “as gods” if they ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden Of Eden. The serpent (Satan, Revelation 20:2) didn't say that Eve would be greater than God; but rather, equal with God. So the root cause of Eve's sin was the philosophy of feminism, desiring to be EQUAL with God's authority.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 17 Comments [12/19/2018 11:15:23 AM]
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Quote# 111514

Well, who in the world needs Genetics anyway? It is certainly being ignored today...despite 'all those people working hard for their degrees'. Science is the god of the atheists...that is, until it comes to certain topics, like LGBT-ism and abortion.

LGBT people are granted special 'rights' to marry based on what? Genetics? Science? No...based on their feelings....they 'feel' they have been same, bi or trans attracted since birth. Ergo, all of society is to consider their cause to be just like that of black people who cannot change the color of their skin (which IS genetic). Gayness, bi-ness, or trans-ness must now be treated as a civil rights issue when it is really nothing more than sexual preference. And all people who disagree and do not support their 'cause', are now labeled haters, bigots. Based on Science? No. DNA always says one of two things...a person is either male or female. No gay gene...no bi gene...no trans gene. None. Soon we will have people clamoring for the right marry more than one person (already have a case pending) or the right to marry a consenting child. How can they be denied their 'civil right' when we based our decision for LGBT people, not on scientific facts, but on feelings> Hmmm?

And then there is the abortion issue. Even way back in 72 when the Court made abortion legal in all 50 states, there was plenty of scientific evidence that life begins at conception...that the developing fetus is a human being (which is pretty much common sense anyway...even a child could grasp that). But today, the scientific evidence has exploded with the advancements in technology so that we can see right into the womb and look closely at the baby at all stages of development. Surgery is even performed on these tiny infants when they are only a few months along. But, has the Court reversed its decision based on this new SCIENTIFIC information? No! Why? Because, once again, people who reject God in favor of their god of science, prefer to ignore their god when it does not suit their feelings or desires. How convenient. Women want sexual freedom...'women's rights'!...so science be damned. Science proves a fetus IS a human being and our constitution guarantees the right of life to every individual. But...no matter. Just ignore Science when it suits you, but defend it, tout it, flaunt it to deny the existence of God... which it has not done and can never do. How can anyone trust these scientists in their estimation of anything related to origins when they are so dishonest in ignoring the facts on these other very vital issues? Hmmm?

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Quote# 11451

I think the alien fits the description of anti-Christ. The bible describes him as the beast, which means a sub-human being.

Maybe the crop circles and UFO sightings are real, they want to make us familiar with them first, before their formal landings on our earth. When they are here, there's nothing our super powers can do, our missiles are of no use. The whole world will submit to them, in seconds. There comes a new ruler of our world, the anti-Christ.

This is just one possibility, if it's true, it means the end time can happen anytime, like Jesus says, no-one knows the day and hour, it comes when most unexpected.

matthewgoh, Christian Forums 25 Comments [5/6/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 71730

[re: Fox News is biased]

Studies show that they're not. You simply? don't like them because they dare to air conservative viewpoints on the same level as liberal ones, unlike the rest of the media.

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Quote# 1164

theres no such thing as an atheist on the death bed...

CounterPart-bx (blurmichael2001), POD Warrior Forum 26 Comments [10/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 106035

Seriously, is there something mentally wrong with you? Thinking that a school full of sluts and frat stars getting slain by an incel is a bad thing is characteristic of a normalfag mindset. Our ONLY hope for ever getting to fuck multiple hot sluts is if there are enough incels in the western world who snap and cause bloodshed. It's the only way that sluts and alphas will realize and accept that there are serious consequences for allowing so many males to live their lives in misery.

NewGenious119, http://sluthate.com/ 62 Comments [1/27/2015 4:21:53 AM]
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