The theory of evolution does not and cannot explain so much about the universe that we know. For instance, when and how did water evolve? How does it happen that gravity can hold us to the Earth, and at the same time allow us to step up without any trouble? How did it happen that the Earth is spinning at the exact rate that keeps us from feeling that movement?
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You know, she's right. I have absolutely no idea what is holding me to the ground, and yet I can still move. I have no clue about how water evolved. I'd better go look in my science textbook, The Holy Bible...
Nope. It isn't there either. How odd.
Oy, vey! Get this through your heads, fundies: The Theory of Evolution has NOTHING to do with cosmology, physics, or chemistry. Water didn't "evolve"; hydrogen and oxygen atoms bonded.
As for the gravity/motion questions, though, it's not a question of Earth having exactly the right gravity to cancel out a sense of motion, or vice versa; any world will have this if it's large enough -- even the moon is more than adequate for this.
And as for why we can lift our own feet, well, we developed here, so we have muscles that are strong enough to lift us and move us around adequately to aid survival. We can't leap off-world or anything, but there's no reason to think that we should be just glued to the spot, either.
~David D.G.
Well she's is right. Evolution cannot explain any of those things, but it doesn't try to either. The fact that she is baffled by those last two things I find disturbing. That is the kind of thing you might here a first grader ask. Once again, someone so ignorant of basic science steps in as an expert on its shortcomings and inadequacies.
OK - when you're a primitive, illiterate being, big sky daddy is a semi justifiable ignorance.
What's the story now?
That was astounding. I cannot believe she thinks the theory of evolution cannot explain why our muscular-skeletal framework happens to work on the planet it evolved on. It'd make so much more sense for us to be too puny to move and be pinned to the ground by the cruel force of gravity. What a dominant species we'd be.
Oh, Alejandro, are you kidding?! Man, I'd love to see some of the responses that get printed as follow-ups!
~David D.G.
1) "How did water evolve?" That's almost as classic as "why can't we speak monkey".
2) Because if we couldn't, we'd have all died off long ago and we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. (Besides, there's a wide range of force levels that would permit this. It's not like if gravity were the tiniest bit weaker, we'd float off into space, and if it were the tiniest bit stronger we'd be stuck in place.)
3) You do feel some of that movement. It's called wind. (Again, we probably wouldn't feel it no matter what rate it's spinning at, up to a certain absurdly high rate. Our bodies aren't very good at sensing velocity, in part because velocity is relative - it's acceleration that we notice.)
Crosis - that's why I left the physics side well alone. Batshit insane!
Centrifugal force is negligible close to Earth - this is why geostationary satellites need to orbit 36,000 kilometres above the surface of the Earth at a speed of over 3 kilometres a second.
The interesting thing about fluid dynamics is that even the molecules in the atmosphere are relatively unaffected by the Earth rotation, the jet streams and so forth are more affected by the oceans and their currents, shape of the continents and the sun, rather than their own molecular inertia etc.
The other nice point to note is the Earth is slowing down - mainly due to the moon orbiting counter to the Earths rotation, and affecting the tides and drawing the water to the West. Can't remember the exact figure. I think about 500 million years ago there were 400 days in a year. Look up coral clocks if you care.
Once more, with feeling:
If you don't know what it means, don't attempt to talk about it!
If you don't know what it means, don't attempt to talk about it!
(continue chant until fundie shuts the hell up).
Crosis,
I agree with your first to points, but your third is incorrect. Winds are caused by pressure gradients, and have little to do with the Earth's rotation. The wind's direction (on large spatial scales) is affected by the Earth's rotation via the Coriolis "force", but its strength is not. Also, in the strict physical sense we are constantly accelerating due to the motion of the Earth, since acceleration includes changes in direction. It's just that we don't notice it - just like we don't notice the weight of the air pushing down on our heads - since we've adapted to it as being normal.
<<< Winds are caused by pressure gradients, and have little to do with the Earth's rotation. The wind's direction (on large spatial scales) is affected by the Earth's rotation via the Coriolis "force", but its strength is not. >>>
Touche.
"The theory of plate tectonics does not and cannot explain so much about the universe that we know. For instance, when and how do supernovae occur? How does it happen that electromagnetic waves can propagate through a vacuum, and yet mechanical waves cannot? How did it happen that the universe is expanding at the exact rate that makes all of the redshift values of far-off galaxies as we observe them?"
This is fun. The theory of relativity is next.
"How did it happen that the Earth is spinning at the exact rate that keeps us from feeling that movement?"
Yes, and if anyone went to the north pole they would be instantly crushed from the lack of movement. Seriously, I think I knew more than this about physics by the time I was 5.
1. Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about.
2. Only living things evolve, you fucktard. The last time I checked, water wasn't alive.
3. Gravity is a relatively weak force, and we can overcome it easily. We are strong enough to exert upward the same force gravity is exerting downward, and so we can stand up and move. However, we cannot exert a force great enough to allow us to completely break free of the Earth's pull.
4. We are spinning at the same rate as the Earth (what, did you think it moved and we just stood still?), and so we don't notice any movement.
1. Water evolved when Juno pissed it all over the place.
2. Demon snot. Just the right adhesive properties. It's all over everything.
3. Be glad we're on a round planet and not a cube. Everything would be constantly tumbling uphill or downhill, and the demon snot isn't strong enough for that.
2 pairs of hydrogen atoms combining with 1 pair of oxygen atoms to form 2H2O - shortened to H2O for the school kids.
Chemistry is NOT Biology. Evolution is a branch of Biology.
Gravity is a form of energy related to the MASS (not weight) of a body, and mass itself is a form of energy.
This is a theory that has (and still is) been constantly tested with no anomolies.
Let me guess - you're home schooled and the only book you have at home is a bible.
water is H2O, so hydrogen and oxygen. Burn hydogen and you get water.
you evolved muscles in earths gravity. This means you can walk. Run up 10 flights of steps and see how much work is involved.
inertia.
biology /= cosmology
Now go play in traffic.
"The theory of evolution does not and cannot explain so much about the universe that we know."
The take out menu from Chinese restaurant doesn't explain how combustion engines work.
"when and how did water evolve?"
It didn't
"How does it happen that gravity can hold us to the Earth, and at the same time allow us to step up without any trouble?"
I'd suggest to look up Newton who explained that quantitatively about three hundred years ago, but I'm afraid that it is bit more complicated than Goddidit.
"How did it happen that the Earth is spinning at the exact rate that keeps us from feeling that movement?"
You "feel" acceleration not constant velocity. I'd suggest to look up Einstein who explained that quantitatively about hundred years ago, but I'm afraid that it is lot more complicated than Goddidit.
How does your car (really any car, or train, or plane, or any other vehicle you are travelling in) after accelerating or decelerating have always the right velocity that you don’t feel the movement? Even if that velocity is different every time? Maybe you should think about that for a while.
“The theory of evolution does not and cannot explain so much about the universe that we know.”
Same can be said for 4-color map theory. Doesn’t make it wrong.
"For instance, when and how did water evolve?”
As Mona Lisa Vito said, that’s a bullshit question.
“How does it happen that gravity can hold us to the Earth, and at the same time allow us to step up without any trouble?”
We have 8x the minimum strength to move in Earth’s gravity. And since i fell last month in my garage and broke a rib, you can’t say ‘without any trouble.’
"How did it happen that the Earth is spinning at the exact rate that keeps us from feeling that movement?”
Another bullshit question.
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