The bible confirms that don't be afraid to beat the devil out of your child for you will not kill him
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Let me tell you a story. True story, actually.total stereotype of the southern redneck. Grubby t-shirt. Stained Dickies work pants. Suspenders. Wallet on a chain. John Deere ballcap. Skoal in the cheek. The whole nine yards.
We sit down and start talking and about five minutes or so in he mentions that he never physically punishes his son (who was 10, I believe). This, I'm sorry to say, was a very unusual statement for the time and the area, and it cought my curiosity. His son really had no behavior problems at school, but I was curious, so I asked him why he held this opinion, an opinion so different than so many other parents in the area.
He told me that up until his son was 6, he "whupped" him pretty regular. He wasn't cruel or anything, that's just what was done.
But when his son was 6, after a mild spanking for some unremembered infraction, he tucked the boy in and said, "I love you, son."
"No," the boy replied matter-of-factly, "you don't."
The father was a bit upset by this statement and asked, "Why do you say that?"
His son replied, "Because you beat me."
You see, the message the father was trying to communicate to his son was that You have done something wrong. Do not do it again, but the message his son was receiving was I hate you.
That father never laid a finger on his son in anger or punnishment again. he found other ways to discipline his boy. Frankly, ways that were and are more effective.
Corporal punnishment is not illegal in the USA. It is not done in schools for a very simple reason: it doesn't work. When you take a kid with a behavioral problem and subject them to corporal punishment, what you are trying for is a kid without a behavioral problem. What you actually get is a pissed off and humiliated kid who still has the behavioral problem.
In order for corporal punishment to be effective, it has to work as a deterrant , and for it to be an effective deterrant, it needs to be so severe as to edge into the area of outright abuse.
Beating your child does not work. It is not effective. There are literally hundreds of more effective approaches to corrective and preventative discipline.
Your Bible advocates abuse, and I will have no part of "your" Bible.
Fuck you, fuck anyone stupid, evil, and sadistic enough to follow this advice, and fuck everyone who ever encouraged it, or at least looked the other way. You are a fucking scumbag of a human being, and you have no right to call yourself a follower of a man who preached love, tolerance, and peace.
I'm tempted to register over at CARM so I can see these comments in context, but frankly the CARM people freak me the hell out. There just seems to be so much violence, hatred, and venom over there. I'm not sure it would be worth my time or good for my mental health to peruse their forums. They scare me too much. (And that comes from a guy who served in Northern Ireland...)
That right Lesley. Here is the passage for you "SINNERS" who want to "spare the rod and spoil the child";
Well, funnily enough that's what this Muslim family and their imam in my hometown thought about their little girl who had epilepsy. Turns out they were wrong, and she died. Imam and father still doing heavy time.
And no amount of court cases of dead children and that barbaric defense will sway you. No matter how many children die in exorcisms or in God's punishment you'll stand on that bullshit.
This alone, this blatant lie you speak in defense of frivolous ignorant torture and death: This should clue you in on how dangerous and unreasonable your religion is.
By the way, I'm for spanking or physical reprecussions as a reinforcing disipline. BUT most of us realize there's no God repair going to happen when one hits too hard or pushes everything to the limit.
Just how hard would you have to hit someone for the Devil to feel it? Asshole.
Bible's a forgery.
Do something useful.
Child Abuse for Jesus award, anyone?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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