[I've searched and searched and I can't find any evidence that Haeckel was ever put on trial for fraud [for his embryonic drawings]]
This is great. Evolutionist-atheist are denying this by omitting it from their websites. I can only find it listed on creationists websites which proves the point I made earlier about with holding information as a form of deception, or lies.
So it never happend eh?
So what's next? Omit the holocaust? There are already several atheist websites saying it never hapened. People believe what they want, and you can believe that Haeckel was never put on trial by his university. Makes no difference to me.
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Fraud is wilfully obtaining monies by deception. Even Creationist propaganda is not fraud as although it is false, you are buying a book or a video - if you're dumb enough to believe the contents, that's your fucking problem.
Or, just maybe, it's another piece of creationist twaddle being peddled to you Fundies as if it was a fact. You know, like men missing a rib, the inaccuracy of carbon dating and Darwin's deathbed conversion.
Why does he even think that a university could "put someone on trial"? As ludicrous as the specific claim about Haeckel is in the first place (and the "atheist conspiracy" even more so!), this detail gets sort of bypassed. Universities do not conduct trials for fraud; they have no such authority.
David D.G.: actually a lot of universities , certainly most in the UK, have an academic court system which can conduct trials for academic dishonesty, but the biggest sanction they have is firing people, I think.
See Ikester - the problem is this.image
His drawings - you know, by hand - of actual embryos, were slightly inaccurate, as were some of the conclusions he drew from them - Recapitulation theory etc, and while strong Recapitulation theory does not hold, small parts of it is certainly still relevant in phylogeny and ontogeny. You know the real evolutionary data that creationist sites refuse to touch!
With me so far?
Good, now the things is, those drawings are more accurate than inaccurate, and here's the really fucking important bit you idiot...
IF people believed in strong Recapitulation theory, those drawings would be in all the textbooks. There would've been further work done on it. There would've been photos. It would've been on all the "atheist" websites.
INSTEAD the only place you see it is being gossly misrepresented as a strawman in Creationist websites.
In summary, he was half right - you are completely wrong!
This is great. Evolutionist-atheist are denying this by omitting it from their websites. I can only find it listed on creationists websites [...]
*ahem*
Alternative bizarro universe. One, holocaust denyers are not, by far, atheist. The most prominent bulk are either Christians or Neopagans. And second, Haeckel just proposed a false theory, thus it can´t be taken into account into scientists sites. It´s not ommited, it´s just IRRELEVANT. And put into trial, is not in a tribunal. They just rejected in A SCIENTIFIC BASIS(of course, don´t expect a fundie to understand that) and can´t be compared to the holocaust. It may make sense to you, who are, like most creationists, an idiot, but not to us.
For the sake of argument, let's just pretend for a moment that ikester7579 isn't a lying fucktard and that the "evolutionist-atheist" really did commit a vast, world-wide conspiracy to omit Haeckel's trial from their website.
Well, ikester, you could haul your ass down to your local library and research Haeckel for yourself. Bypass the internet and look at books.
Marnanel: I confess I don't know about the U.K., but I'm pretty sure that in the U.S., such a "trial" is actually called a "review"; the term "trial" is strictly legalistic, as is the term "fraud," so a school could never "put someone on trial for fraud" -- only the legal system can do that.
Michael Pitman, a creationist, wrote "Charged with fraud by five professors and convicted by a university court at Jena, he agreed that a small percentage of his embryonic drawings were forgeries" (Adam and Evolution, Michael Pitman, 1984, p. 120)this example . Ikester could have found this out in the same five minutes it took me.
It's fucking obvious why this site exists... it's to take the piss out of all the garbage that fundies, like you, spew on a regular basis.
I gave him a fundie rating of 5, because you know he will be back :)
Funny how the non-believing members at our forum would not post while this was exposed. And no one was posting here either. But low and behold, as soon as they think they are off the hook. They start posting here, and over there. This confirms what I thought was going on the whole time. You guys are so predictable. :)
@ikester7579
Funny how the non-believing members at our forum would not post while this was exposed. And no one was posting here either. But low and behold, as soon as they think they are off the hook. They start posting here, and over there. This confirms what I thought was going on the whole time. You guys are so predictable. :)
It's only been a couple of weeks. I made the post that got listed here: Dec 28 2006, 09:10 AM. It got copy and pasted here Dec, 29 2006. Which means we have an active member, or lurker at our forum, that is copying and pasting stuff for this site.
No, ikester, it's pretty obvious when someone gets banned, since you and Fred have a habit of making a big flourish about it. And it happens at least once a week.
You know what's really funny...? Even the other YEC's there were taking you to task over that garbage!
No, ikester, it's pretty obvious when someone gets banned, since you and Fred have a habit of making a big flourish about it. And it happens at least once a week. Funny how one of the most recent bans was because someone accused a creationist of fraud. So how come you're not getting banned for falsely accusing a scientist of fraud? Because heaven forbid your forum has double-standards. :P
For someone who claims that people on your site do not patrol that forum, you seem to have recent information. Or a twist of truth. And I guess no scientist has ever told a lie, hell forbid.
Personally, I think you guys just watch non-believer members like hawks and look for their first slip that can be twisted into going against your Ultimate Rules, then have a big party about banning the person.
Party? I was not invited. But I guess in your imagination it happened. So I guess your imagination makes it so.
Hell, I got banned on your forum for calling Fred on his arrogance when he banned someone else for interpreting a Bible passage differently than he did.
Showing disrespect for the owner of that forum, or any mod or admin will get you banned. Disagreements are fine. Start calling us names, or anyone other member (atheist or Christian) and you will be banned.
I am sure you remember willow tree? He's hard to forget. He got banned for being rude to a evolutionist (calling him a name). I don't recall what the name was, but it was bad enough to not even call a vote to do it.
And there has been 1 or 2 other Christians that came in there with a hot head, would not calm down, and were booted. So anyone who does this gets the same response. But you guys always stick to the same names when name calling which makes it obvisous who you are, and what you are up to.
We are not cowards for not venturing onto your forum. There's just no point, as we would all get instantly banned, which I'm sure is your intent for inviting us over. You consider yourself the victor based on how many opposing arguments you can silence, rather than actually proving your point to your critics.
Someone e-mailed me once and told me they were under several different names under that forum. And even listed the names. But because I could not link them in the control panel, do you think I banned them on his word only?
I e-mailed him back and told him that as long as each person he posted under did not break any rules, he was welcome to continue to post. We don't act on inpulse. We confirm, get our ducks in a row, and take a vote. The only time a vote is not taken is when a much worse rule is broken that requires a quick bann.
So your preception of how the forum works, is only in your imagination.
Showing disrespect for the owner of that forum, or any mod or admin will get you banned.
See, that's the thing. When the forum owner is a self-obsessed asshole, I'd rather be banned than feed his ego by standing idly by when he abuses his authority. He's completely full of himself and drunk on power, but forbids anyone from pointing this out to him. And how exactly is your habit of comparing forum members to Hitler not disrespectful? Seems like you shouldn't be banning people for something you yourself are guilty of. He who is without sin may cast the first stone, and all.
About the same as you have pics here of people giving blow jobs to Jesus. And always referring to all Christians as fundies. You should not dish out what you can't take.
How would you like it if we made out Darwin as a homosexual? Made some pics as vulgar as what you have on this site about Christ?
This is just another big yawn, as the evolutionist whine about how unfair they are treated. What a joke. You need to grow up.
Hang on... so anyone who spots your lies and points them out to you is an evolutionist in disguise, allowing you to disregard their comments as a ploy to trick you?
Only an absolute truth can prove an absolute lie, correct? But science is not based on this. So where can you prove that someone lies when you can't even absolutely prove what you believe, anymore than I can absolutely prove what I believe?
So who's lying about what cannot be proven absolutely? Unless you would like to convey to us all that science now deals in absolutes.
The mind control matrix cap of evolution fits you quite well.
My fundie rating has fallen, which means that some people think that what I have to say has some merit.
Sorry mate but you lied, people who believe as you do took you to task, and no amount of "Wah... they're really evil Atheists in disguise" will change that.
Sorry mate but you lied, people who believe as you do took you to task, and no amount of "Wah... they're really evil Atheists in disguise" will change that.
LOL, my fundie rating went back up. I knew that comment would make it do that. You guys are predictable LOL.
Yeah, it's does get boring debating predictable people. I'll go away so you can have the last word. That is always satisfying to the evolutionist need to have power over everything. Last word means you win, correct?
I doubt it could be resisted for someone to post after this post. So this will be another test to see which reigns supreme in the mind of a evolutionist. Pride, or the need to feel superior.
Hey Ikester - so I guess the Fairytales forum is now banning members w/ IP BLOCKING - so they don't have to put the NAZI-esqe "BANNED!" label on their screen name profile, right??
"About the same as you have pics here of people giving blow jobs to Jesus. And always referring to all Christians as fundies. You should not dish out what you can't take."
Yep, always the last word LOL. Knew you could not resist. O well.
Yeah, right Ikester...the last word means you "win" (duhhrr...)
Sorry, I'm not Catholic. I don't worship the "queen of heaven". And every other person who was great in God's word, or through that religion.
Wow, Ikester.
You must be really lonely to spend so much time haboring so much hate. Imagine all the time you spend doing this, and at the end of your life, it's all you will have to show.
You must be really lonely to spend so much time haboring so much hate. Imagine all the time you spend doing this, and at the end of your life, it's all you will have to show.
Here's a fun one for ya, Ikester...
His drawings were not as accurate as they might have been, but were still useful in the early study of embryology - and the creationists have been trying to cry "fraud" ever since. "Put on trial", my ass! You guys must really be desperate.
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