(About the wage gap between men and women)
"What I got out of this article is that men work harder, take the harder courses in college, are less likely to be an entitlement princess waiting for some sucker on a white horse to come along, and are less likely to slack in the workplace.
All stereotypes of women, ALL FUCKING TRUE. Women just don't work as hard as men because they know, whether they are "traditional" or not, that its the man's job to provide for both of them.
Here's the explanation you need - women don't work as hard and are not as good at mathematics as men.
There, I said it."
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@Pete Prickiarch
All stereotypes of women, ALL FUCKING TRUE.
What, that they're all kind, compassionate people who do better in school than men?
Because that's the stereotype where I grew up.
so yeah, all those times coming top of the class in my male dominated maths class....fluke?
Though there is a grain of truth in this, men DO generally go for the sciencey, engineering degrees which secure higher paying jobs, while women have a tendency to go for history and literature and language based ones. Not a rule by all means, but it explains a portion of the pay gap.
Ha!
Pete's back. Well, 30 percent of my class - just over - are women and so far we make up the top 7 positions. True it's early but I think you'll find that often women have to work harder than men to get the same level of respect, at least.
I'm certainly not knocking guys with these statements, just fuckwits like YOU, Pete.
When you need hospitalisation I HOPE you get a female doctor. Might even be me in ten years. ;-)
What I got out of this article is that men work harder,
Methinks he hasn't paid much attention to just how much his mother did to raise him.
take the harder courses in college
Sounds like a bad implication, especially considering the statistic that in America, collegiate women outnumber collegiate men 2:1.
are less likely to be an entitlement princess waiting for some sucker on a white horse to come along
.....*facepalm*
and are less likely to slack in the workplace.
Yeah, he's just pulling this stuff out of his ass.
All stereotypes of women, ALL FUCKING TRUE. Women just don't work as hard as men because they know, whether they are "traditional" or not, that its the man's job to provide for both of them.
Here's the explanation you need - women don't work as hard and are not as good at mathematics as men.
I pity the poor guy. Probably never got laid in his life. Or if he did, there was money involved.
Also of note, in high school calculus, I was the only guy in a class of 20 girls.
I know it's getting old, but what I get out of this quote is "Small penis, red convertible, imaginary Oriental girlfriend." Haven't looked at his website but I'd bet my last buck it has the word "Ameriskanks" on it.
If women are not as good at math as men, then how come the break-down of the SAT math scores are 15 points higher for females than for males? If women do not work as hard as men, why do girls in US high schools average higer GPAs then boys? Why are 85% of all US high school and 65% of all US college Valedictorians female? Men take harder courses in college? In the US today, the college population is mainly female, and has been since the 80's. Simply put, more females go to college then men, more females graduate college then men, more females graduate high school then men.
You are full of crap.
The wage gap is between men and women doing the same job, not in general. Again, all the sterotypes of women are true?, how do get those jobs to begin with?. Statistic say that they provide for almost the same income or more than men, that they do work as much as they do. Again, why should they, by default, earn less, because they have two breasts?
While the majority of those studying mathematics here are male, that's not very conclusive evidence concerning skill.
"All Stereotypes are true" is a pretty damn retarded comment, though - given contradictory female stereotypes. The other part of the text is even worse, though.
Stereotypes to fill in the gaps in knowledge about someone are necessary for social cognition. Any second year psychology student (which I happen to be, how about that?) could tell you that.
Awareness of the difference between 'stereotype-filled gaps' and 'knowledge' are necessary for not being an asshole.
How sad that all Pete has to make him feel good about himself is the fact that he can pee standing up. Good for you, Pete. You must be so proud of that.
I should also add that the "hard" courses in college part really depends on your perspective. Most of my engineer friends struggled horribly in subjects like English.
As a male, I cannot disprove you by challenging you to a math competition. I could ask some of my friends to do so, though.
Devil's advocate time though! Let me provide counterarguments for Sandman. I want to preface this by saying I agree with Sandman completely. I just feel it is important to analyze the arguments of our allies as well as those of our adversaries.
"If women are not as good at math as men, then how come the break-down of the SAT math scores are 15 points higher for females than for males?"
Maybe less dumb females take the SATs, so its the cream of the crop vs. the vast mediocrity.
"If women do not work as hard as men, why do girls in US high schools average higer GPAs then boys?"
Maybe they are smarter and thus don't need to work as hard :).
"Why are 85% of all US high school and 65% of all US college Valedictorians female?"
In my high school and University, valedictorian was an elected position, a popularity contest. It's only recently that I heard of any other method for choosing valedictorian.
"Men take harder courses in college? In the US today, the college population is mainly female, and has been since the 80's. Simply put, more females go to college then men, more females graduate college then men, more females graduate high school then men."
I think you're attacking a strawman here. His claim was that men take harder courses in college, not that men graduate more from college.
A rational attack here is difficult, however, because "harder courses" is a nebulous concept. A female lead in Chemistry can be dismissed as claiming Chemistry is easy; a male lead in Medical Doctorates can be touted as the pinnacle of hardness.
A better tactic is to say: "bullshit, I don't believe it. Prove that women take easier courses."
For some reason Pete knows only dumb women.
This is likely for the same reason Tom Leykis seems to like to only take semi-retarded female callers. Men like this are naturally intimidated by women smart enough to call them on their bullshit. Plus, what reasonably intelligent woman would have anything to do with this doofus?
Women just don't work as hard as men because they know, whether they are "traditional" or not, that its the man's job to provide for both of them.
Really? Because no matter what, I'll be making more money than my man when I'm done with school. He encourages me to go far, to the point of convincing me to go for a doctorate (I'm in a Master's program now).
Guess you're wrong.
Wet Walnuts, that story is kinda of bullshit. After controlling for hours, occupation, parenthood, and other factors known to affect earnings, the study found that one-quarter of the pay gap remains unexplained. So One year after college women make 5% less then men. Such a small difference could easily be explained by outliers, I bet if the median income of men and women were examined instead of the average it would be nearly identical.
Then again equal pay doesn't make quite the same amount of story as tales of the glass ceiling and making 75 cents on the dollar.
Go crawl in a ditch and lay there for 40 or 50 years. I'm a man and, at the risk of sounding politically correct, I know for a fact that women work as hard, if not HARDER, than men.
And all women are unique. Not one is the same with one another. Therefore, they're not all stereotypes. Except your submissive, non-thinking, wife.
Aww. Did ickle diddykins get dumped?
Diagnosis: Raving misogynistitis caused by relationship breakdown. Its true, I've seen and heard otherwise perfectly reasonable men and women turn into steaming piles of misogyny and misandry after a breakup.
Or it is possible that this guy is just full of fail.
All stereotypes of women, ALL FUCKING TRUE.
So are all the ones of christians, as you just confirmed.
What I got out of this article is that men work harder, take the harder courses in college,
Did some woman get a better job and higher grades then you did?
women don't work as hard and are not as good at mathematics as men.
Did somebody fail their math class?
Re the women score higher in math SAT claim
according to this: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/tables/dt04_129.asp
Males score higher in Math and Verbal Parts of the SAT each and every year since the 60s.
And to the "But I'm a women and I'm top of my math class" crowd, your honed math skills should tell you that one counter example doesn't proof anything in regards to the math skills of men and women in general.
And it's great that more women than men graduate, but that doesn't tell us anything about the difficulty of the college classes they took.
True every word.
Women are only performing better in school because the education system has deliberately been dumbed down in their favour.
Women are graduating with degrees far more often then men and still men outshine women in every field.
Says something about women.
You know, whenever I am with my male friends and their male friends, we go by one saying:
"I have the boobies, I make the rules."
Oh, really?
I work just as hard as any damn man. I'll have you know I'm in the top of ALL of my college classes. And I'm taking classes like astronomy, literature, and history. Not home ec classes. It is not any man's job to provide for me, and if any guy ever tries to be the knight-in-shining-armor for me, I will kick his ass out of my life.
In Sweden, more women than men have enrolled in college education, each year since 1953. (Among today's 40-year-olds, 23 percent of the men and 39 percent of the women have a college education of at least three years.) Women have to work harder than men, to be seen as almost as good as the men; men can wing it, a woman has to get it right or all women "suck". Women do most of the unpaid work at home, and most of the organizing of the life-puzzle. Women fair better as single than men do (it's rather (some) men who are entitlement princes waiting for some sucker on a white horse to come along to do their laundry and cook their meals).
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More women than men work themselves into that proverbial Burn-out Wall of exhaustion and brain-fatigue.
All stereotypes of men, ALL FUCKING TRUE. Women know that no-one will "provide" for them; we have to take care of ourselves.
Men don't work as hard, and are not as good at languages as women are.
There, I said it.
(Disclaimer: No, I don't think it's really this bad, some of it is said to be the opposite of Mr Wrong here, but way too much of it is sadly true.)
Oh, and if a woman really is waiting for someone on a white horse, odds are she's waiting for another woman...
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