The Bible borrowed off of the Epic of Gilgamesh?!?! Hahhahaa it's the other way around pal.
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Dear Anonymous,
As the early Israelites originated in the area of Mesopotamia, it is not unreasonable to assume that they borrowed from the mythology of that area when they began assembling their own religion. The kingship of Gilgamesh has been dated to the 26th century BCE and predates the writing of the Genesis account by much more than a thousand years. Moses, if he was indeed the one to write it, did use older texts to base Genesis upon but the texts used were Mesopotamian with a little Egyptian thrown in to fill in any blanks.
The flood? what flood? do you have any evidence of this "flood" of yours?
Also, The sphinx and pyramids are more recent than the megalithic constructions found around Europe. And those are more recent than the wall paintings found in the French and Spanish coasts, some of which date to 40k years ago.
You have left your ignorance abundantly clear.
Hope that helps,
Grey Wolf
Anonymous
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4/30/2007 6:47:26 AM
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Hmmm. Wikipedia on Genesis:
...was composed in the northern kingdom of Israel some time after 922 BC (the approximate date of the collapse of the unified kingdom of David and Solomon), but before 722 BC (the date of the destruction of Israel by the Assyrians), by a priest or priests of the royal northern cult-centre at Shiloh.
Wikipedia on Gilgamesh:
The earliest Sumerian versions of the epic date from as early as the Third Dynasty of Ur (2150 BC-2000 BC) (Dalley 1989: 41-42). The earliest Akkadian versions are dated to the early second millennium (Dalley 1989: 45). The "standard" Akkadian version, composed by Sin-liqe-unninni was composed sometime between 1300 BC and 1000 BC.
Sources findable via links.
Are you high? Your own sources put the bible at hundreds of years BCE, and the Gilgamesh epic at 12-1800 years BEFORE that? Do you feel that you have proven us wrong by proving us right? You do understand what BC/BCE and AD/CE really mean, right? You know that a big number with a negative sign is NOT actually a high number, right?
Whatever you're smoking, you've had enough for this month.
Redhunter, I think we have two Anonymouses running around, seeing that the first Anonymous didn't even bother to give a name. Then again, there probably is a fundy or two out there who thinks that 2150 BC comes after 722 BC.
Regardless of his intent, this new mysterious fellow has produced actual dates from a (somewhat) credible source, so he's pretty cool in my book.
The real reason is that neither of the two copied each other(probably, by the time the Bible was composed, Gilgamesh was long forgotten). It´s just that, being in the same cultural and geographical space, the people who wrote them had a common shared knowledge and corpus of myths and wisdom that was transmitted in the mouth first, and written down second.
2150-2000 years before the birth of Christ is earlier than 992-722 before the birth of Christ. You do understand that don't you, Anonymous?
Here's a simple way of explaining it:
-Five minutes before you read this was earlier than two minutes before you read this, right?
-2000 minutes before you read this was earlier than 800 minutes before you read this as well. Do you follow?
-About 2000 years before the birth of Christ is also earlier than about 800 years before the birth of Christ. Do you disagree with this statement, Anonymous?
-Something written about 4000 years ago is older than something written about 2800 years ago.
I don't think I could make it much clearer than that. What part of it don't you understand?
No, you need to do a little bit more studying, Ace. The Bible's flood story was ripped off from the Babylonians, who themselves had ripped it off from an earlier society.
In fact, the first nine chapters of Genesis were stolen from the Babylonians.
Ace101888, the river Temarac, in winter. #237150, Khidir beneath Momouteh. Shaka, when the walls fell.
Or, if you don't understand Tamarian, Ace101888 misunderstands history. #237150 is unwilling to understand, and fails to do so.
I am the Anonymous that posted the Wikipedia links, and I understand BC just fine. You mistargeted your aggression against the nameless poster.
(I see no name attached to the "nope. it CLAIMS in the story" post, so I figured that posting as Anonymous, as I usually do, would be safe. I guess not, sorry for the confusion.)
I apologise, Anonymous. I thought that you were a fundy that did not know that the BC years count down.
No aggression was intended and if it was my post you saw any aggression in, I apologise. I am very sorry.
No, it did. It borrowed from "Gilgamesh," likely during the Babylonian Exile. Then again, I'm no biblical scholar; maybe somebody here knows more. >_>
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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