[Fundies ambush people in the street. No, this is not a comedy skit.]
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Couldn't watch the whole thing since these fuckers are notorious for quote mining so who knows what they do in the edit. Plus Ray "Clueless" Comfort starts off with their classic lie...evolution=big bang. NO WHERE does evolution deal with cosmology, just the history of life on the planet. But hey, it ain't lying if it's for jeebus.
Okay, so I kept watching -- it actually gets HILARIOUS. They spend ten minutes "disproving" Evolution by, get this, showing that an Orangutan doesn't behave well at a dinner table. Therefore man could not have evolved from apes.
I shit you not.
It really pissed me off when they skimmed through Darwin's writings to "prove" that evolution is sexist and racist. I mean, Christians would never suggest that women are inferior to men, nor would they condone slavery based on the colour of one's skin/place of origin...right? And it's not like any part of the Bible could ever be interpreted in such a way as to justify such behaviour...
Mr. Turquoise
So disingenuous it hurts. Couldn't watch more than a few minutes of it. But now that I've learned that there's evidently an orangutan throwing food in there somewhere, I might have to give it another go.
What really makes me go WTFingF is how, in the beginning of the program they were like, "Evolutionists would have us believe this ridiculous notion that all of a sudden, the universe appeared, and then so did the oceans and land, and then all the animals, and then man... and woman!" Isn't that... pretty much exactly what THEY believe?!?!?
That and talking disparagingly about how the "evolutionists" believed what they did based on "faith." Isn't believing something based on faith supposed to be *good*, to them? Not when you're dressing up as Mr. Scientist, I guess. Then faith is stupid and irrational, and no good reason to believe anything.
I also love how qualifiers about how we don't know EVERYTHING yet, how MAYBE this is what happened but we're still trying to figure it out, is bad. Because clearly the intellectually respectable position is to be an arrogant, know-it-all prick who assumes that you've got the answers nailed.
"We are continually told that primates are our relatives. So we decided we'd have a little fun, and call a number of airlines, and ask if we can have a 'relative' fly on the plane with us."
That was the point where I just couldn't take it anymore. If you're going to attempt to disprove something as important as evolution, it's probably not a good idea to use a skit about monkeys on airplanes as your evidence.
Here is the most telling statement made by Kirk Cameron at approximately 22:00 min into the video-
"When you learn to speak to a person's conscience, and circumnavigate the intellect, the subject of evolution seems to disappear."
The stupidity of this video speaks for itself.
Nauseating...
I wonder what would happen if they walked into the youth group at fundamentalist church and asked the kids there to explain "election", the problem of evil, or reconcile the different post-resurrection stories.
If you had, ez-c, do you really think that your "interview" would have been allowed to remain in the final cut of this execrable project? You might have won over any fence-sitters in the immediate vicinity, but you probably couldn't have deconverted these fanatics, and your oratory would later play to rave reviews on the cutting-room floor.
~David D.G.
My favourite parts were definitely the focusing in on the kids using words like 'probably' etc. That right there shows superior potential for rationalizing in non-fundamentalists. For anything to be scientific, it must be disprovable, right? Which is why God isn't a scientific idea - there is no way to disprove there is a God, because he is not evidence based in any way. God, that video pissed me off soooo much, and the way they treated that monkey - I'd like to see them handle a stubborn 3-year old at the table.. does that mean humans only become humans once they are 'civilized'? Arrrgh..
It was good of them to make a video exposing the appalling state of biology education in our high schools. I thought that was something pur side was going to have to do. I like that they defend creationism by calling it "easier." Oh. You're right. That is easy. God, I wish they'd asked more questions like that in my school.
The mitochondria are:
A. God did it.
B. God did it.
C. God did it.
D. Complicated.
I managed to get through about 4:00 of the film before I felt the urge to spit my steak quesadilla all over the floor.
One of my favorite questions is, "Where did X come from?" "X" is generally taken to mean a series of object based one upon the other wherein the interrogator tries to corner the person answering into saying, "I guess it was god."
Where did the universe come from? The big bang.
What blew up? A small particle.
Where did the small particle come from? An asteroid or other celestial object.
Where did the asteroid come from?
Ad nauseum.
Stupid. My answer is always the same:
What blew up? A point of energy so minute as to be infinitessimally small reached a critical balance and ruptured, expelling its energy into the far reaches of the void of space. This energy was devoid of matter until the time of the explosion at which point some of the extant energy was converted into matter. Voila - stars, planets and panda bears.
Well, where did that point of energy come from? Energy does not have a beginning or an ending. It always has been, is now, and always will be. Physics and chemistry prove this to be true.
Questioning usually stops right about there, mainly because the fundie has no idea WTF I am talking about.
I wonder why they didnt ask scientists, just random people off the street? Actually I don't wonder, I know full well why.
It amused me that they 'proved' evolution is sexist through Darwin, for goodness sake he was a Victorian, women were still the 'weaker sex' then. The attitude is reflected in his work . . .so what. But anyway, on the one hand we have Darwin saying men are more higly evolved, on the other the bible states that I was merely created to be mans helper, I'm un-trustworthy and I my role is to keep house and have children . . . .tough call.
I also loved the airplane analogy. Going by the logic presented in that scene, the moment the Wright Flyer flew we were capable of building F-22s and space shuttles. After all, our understanding of mechanics, material science and aerospace science didn't need to develop or evolve in any way- all we needed to do was tweak the original Flyer specs a bit and *BAM*, an SR-71 Blackbird! Hell, why didn't anyone tell us!? We could have saved ourselves ALOT of money and trouble in R&D.
Dumbasses....
This is wrong on so many points. So I'll high light a few of the worst.
Random interviews with people. Try asking a scientist about evolution. Thisis like asking christians for bible quotes. Most will fail miserably.
Missing link does not exist. Try digging up fossiles. You can't find anything you would like because only a fraction of the death become fossiles.
Ape at the dinner table. Because the ape could not behave he has no capability to use reason? Have you ever done the same with a 1 year old? I think you would come to the conclusion that a CEO at multimillion companies could not have started out as children.
Apes are not intelligent because they haven't got a court system? The only difference with them is that it is called hit the delinquent till he stops anoying you.
Darwin claimed man were better then women. This is something christianity also proclaims isn't it? Women being unclean for 1 out of 4 weeks, obeying the man, not being allowed in some religious events etc.
Misplaced quotes? I don't know. But once again, Even if they spoke against evolution, the same has been said about religion. Believing in fairies before.... Greatest jokes of the future.... The extent to which it has been applied....
New random interviews without biology PhD's or other experts on the field of evolution. And while actually interviewing a PhD in biology they cut the discussion after he says that both theists and scientists have got a common problem and that he would admit to having that problem. The beginning. And immediatly they fade to black with the text:"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
About evolution not coming up during attempted conversions because it is a "non issue once you learn to speak to the conscience and CIRCUM-NAVIGATE the intellect". Seriously, he says he circum navigates intellect to convert people.
The vidence bible with quotes from scientists about evolution and facts about evolution. "This book will show that the theory of evolution is based on blind fate." continued with the fact that you can have confidence in god's word and that real science and common sense would say the bible is correct. The problem I find in this one is that "blind fate" is not a part of science. Science works by making an assumption and then trying prove and to discredit this assumption. If you can discredit it the assumption has to be changed to fit the data you get from research. So evolution would not have stood for over a 150 years if there was no proof for it. Just like we no longer claim the world to be flat. Or the universe to be geocentric. And that man CAN travel faster than 40 km/h.
Purpose of the church on the world? "while were here to primaril;y glorify god and to leave your sins to the saviour. because we know that there will be a judgement day...before a PERFECT lord and a PERFECT god" Okay, the perfect lord and perfect god need your help to convert the "ignorant"? Would he be perfect if he came down and killed every firstborn on the world? I think your opinion would shift a little.
Back to or asian friend who w have seen 3 times before as a "victim" of the interviewer. He gets a few questions no one can answer "no" on without twisting the truth a little. Or lie. So he would be going to hell. Then he tries to convert him by saying that god would forego all charges if he just believe in jesus. Or asian friend tries to argue that point with him but our interviewer quickly presses on in a louder voice to continue the conversion. And suddenly fade to black as the asian tries to make another statement.
What part of this is serious, objective reporting? I can't find it. Where have they used logical reasoning to show that the theory of evolution is a false god? no where. So why would anyone bother with this filth?
Because the ignorant are being blackmailed into it by proclaiming they will go to hell if they do not believe. because no one would believe in a diety they never personally heard from.
My advice to the fundies:
If you want to convert the planet let god come down on the same chariot he used to take Elia to heaven. Nothing says "look I'm here" than a great burning chariot pulled by burning horses on the 8 o'clock news.
I just reread the post... Excuse me for my grammar for it is 4 am.
I couldn't force myself to watch the whole thing, but my favorite part was definitely where he said something along the lines of "People directly state that they're not experts on the subject matter, and then turn out to not know everything about it. Clearly, the subject matter is deeply flawed."
My comment was as follows.
Ray Comfort? Kirk Cameron? I applaude your blatant douchebaggery. Unless you know what you're talking about, shut up. Research evolution. It's a lot more plausable than some ever-present man in the sky. You are downright offensive. Oh, and Ray? Lose the Village People moustache. You're not Freddie Mercury and you never will be. Let it go.
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