You ignored the other list of people I gave to you, and your calling me ignorant? I know the quote of Josephus is questionable, but there are many others and I gave you a list. Where is your evidence of Christianity taking over the roman empire by force? Where is your evidence of it taking the people in charge to gain power? Constantine chose Christianity because he didn't want his empire to be destroyed on his death bead. I can only thank him for ending the major atrocities against Christianity, but when pagan ideals entered the church at that time, that roman catholic church, it went down and became corrupt, only then, when PAGANISM entered Christianity, did the evils begin to occur. The Christians of old, they were true, they followed the Bible step for step and they were loving, because they followed a religion of love, now give me the verse that tells Christians to burn witches, kill idolaters, and steel land.
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now give me the verse that tells Christians to burn witches, kill idolaters, and steel (sic) land.
Gladly.
Exodus 22:18
Respectively.
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
Deuteronomy:
Exodus 33:2-3 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite: Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.
Next?
Christianity does not work that way!
Before Constantine I and the council of Nicaea (325 AD) there was no uniform creed to follow. The Bible itself certainly wasn't around in the early 4th century, as the approval of the modern version is dated somewhere between late 4th century and 6th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
Constantine chose Christianity because he didn't want his empire to be destroyed on his death bead.
I'm giving him points for that. Most would insist that Constantine was a True Believer and political considerations had no part in his decision.
I apologize for not being clear here, I go from the New Testament because those are the teachings I follow. After the death of Jesus on the cross, we are given leniency. Just like how God is against polygamy but Solomon and David both committed it. Now as for the Bible not being around before Constantine, true indeed, but where did the teachings of the Bible come from? the people who followed the teachings of Jesus so they did follow the teachings of the Bible, and those are teachings of love. Now remember, New Testament. God bless.
"only then, when PAGANISM entered Christianity, did the evils begin to occur."
It's been there from the very start. So...I agree.
"give me the verse that tells Christians to burn witches, kill idolaters, and steel land."
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, comes to mind...
The Christians of old (before Constantine) didn't have your bible. Many of them were using other scripture, like the Copts. Apparently the main heresiologists for the Roman church had a cow with the Coptics or Gnostics and their scripts, and suppressed them with prejudice.
Constantine's gift to posterity was a book that was designed to sap the will, and wit, of the main population. The Paulites, who entrenched themselves by means of their apostle of strangeness, twisted the Christian message beyond recognition.
And so it goes. Hi-ho.
"The Christians of old, they were true, they followed the Bible step for step" You mean the Bible that wasn't codified until AFTER the reign of Constantine?
It was Paul who said that the Law was done away with. Christ only said that he came to 'fulfill the law and prophets'. Because he never specifically said otherwise I'm pretty sure that what he meant was that the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament were only stop-gap measures. He made it where the sacrifices weren't needed (if you believe that he existed, died on the cross etc), but he NEVER said he came to do away with the Law. As a matter of fact he specifically said he came NOT to destroy them but to fulfill them.
So, according to the New Testament Jesus the whole of the OT Law is still in place. Including stoning your kids for talking back, engaging in male homosexual acts was a stoneable offense; you can sell your daughter as a sex slave; slavery is okay as long as you don't buy any males who are from your country. I could go on, but that's a nice start.
Paul contradicted Christ and said that Christ did away with the law. But even then Paul made the statement (in Galatians) that if you attempt to live your life by any part of the Law, that you had to live by the entire Law.
So Specter, are you a Pauliene Christian (Slavery is still okay, but male & female homosexuality isn't; you don't have to live by the Law), or are you a Jesus Christian (still have to live by the Law, but don't have to do the sacrifices because he did)? If you are a Pauliene Christian who tries to use the Law at all you have to accept any OT verses.. If you are a Jesus Christian, you still have to accept any OT verses.
Confused?
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