There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian"
Christianity is not an 'outgrowth' of Judaism, Christianity has no kinship with Judaism, it is a CORRECTION and a REFORMATION of a pagan system gone MAD. Christ was trying to end the daily human sacrifice in the so-called "temple" by declaring Himself the Final Sacrifice. He introduced the symbolic sacrament of bread and wine to replace the LITERAL cannibalism in the so-called "temple".
Look up the origin of the word "cannibal", it derives from "Khana-Baal", a priest of the temple of Baal, the false demon god that required blood sacrifice to appease itself.
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I looked it up, you're wrong.
1553, from Sp. canibal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves, Galibi "brave men." The natives were believed to be anthropophagites. Columbus, seeking evidence that he was in Asia, thought the name meant the natives were subjects of the Great Khan.
I know they have access to the internet, I just don't know why they can't seem to use it.
(I hope WMDKitty doesn't re-post this again).
Hate to break it to you, but, Christianity is, indeed, based on Judaism. Judaism does NOT involve human sacrifice.
As to the etymology of "Cannibal", let's see what the Online Etymology Dictionary says:
"cannibal -- 1553, from Sp. canibal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves, Galibi "brave men." The natives were believed to be anthropophagites. Columbus, seeking evidence that he was in Asia, thought the name meant the natives were subjects of the Great Khan. Shakespeare's Caliban (in "The Tempest") is a version of this word, with -n- and -l- interchanged, found in Hakluyt's "Voyages" (1599). Cannibalize of machinery, etc., first recorded 1943, reflecting war-time shortages."
EDIT: Someone beat me to it while I was typing, I see. Oh, well.
Christianity has no kinship with Judaism? Why didn't anyone tell Jesus that?
Also, that nonsense about "Khana-Baal" goes back to Hyslop, so that tells you how much you should trust it.
Most informed about one's own religion award?
If this is the case, you can't use Leviticus to attempt to convince me that being teh ghey is wrong.
Not another fundie with the age old "OMG Jews eat babies" shit. Countdown to "ZOMG Muslims/Atheists/Catholics eat babies" 3....2......1..........
Not only do dictionaries refute this absurd false etymology for "cannibal," but this guy's own Bible clearly states, multiple times and in multiple ways, that Jesus was a Jew, and the whole Old Testament consists of tales about the Jews as God's chosen people. By repeating such eminently foolish anti-Semitic propaganda as this, Mather is only shooting himself in the foot with a bazooka.
"Christianity is not an 'outgrowth' of Judaism, Christianity has no kinship with Judaism, it is a CORRECTION and a REFORMATION of a pagan system gone MAD."
You know that the vast majority of your Babble is composed of Jewish texts, right?
"Christ was trying to end the daily human sacrifice in the so-called "temple" by declaring Himself the Final Sacrifice. He introduced the symbolic sacrament of bread and wine to replace the LITERAL cannibalism in the so-called "temple"."
I'll admit I'm no expert in Jewish history of the time but I'm pretty sure they didn't perform human sacrifice nor did they cannibalize the sacrifices.
"Look up the origin of the word "cannibal", it derives from "Khana-Baal", a priest of the temple of Baal, the false demon god that required blood sacrifice to appease itself."
This is just bullshit, as has been pointed out.
Original Hebrew blood religion ---> Reformed Jewish religion ---> Original Christianity ---> Modern Christianity.
It's a pretty clear transition. Even more interesting...
Original Christianity ---> Let's get back to the fundamentals ---> Islam.
Islam is also related to your religion, much as I'm sure that horrifies you.
Hey, and while we're at it...
Ancient myths ---> Hebrew legends ---> Original Hebrew religion.
So, in the end, your religion is based on another religion, which was based on the belief systems of an ancient culture, which took its beliefs from even more ancient myths.
"Christianity has no kinship with Judaism, it is a CORRECTION and a REFORMATION of a pagan system gone MAD."
Ironically, that's what many Muslims say about Islam and Christianity.
Are you related to Dacron and Nylon Mather, by any chance?
Your first point would be valid only if the OT were discarded, along with Paul the hyper-Judaic apostle.
Khana-Baal. Cite your source, please.
I don't often swear, but this is all complete bollocks.
It has not the slightest, little tiniest connection to the real world at all.
Damn! He found us out. No more baby-kebabs after shul for me.
Seriously, how can people still be so amazingly stupid?
This has to be a poe. Nobody could really be stupid enough to post "Look up the origin of the word "cannibal", it derives from "Khana-Baal", a priest of the temple of Baal" on a public forum.
Christianity has no kinship with Judaism
"Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him [Jesus], How is it that thou, being a Jew
Don't these morons even read their own Bible?
Something is as funny as hell about this one. I don't know why, but I couldn't stop laughing after reading it.
The origins of many Bible stories can be found in pre-Christian religions. In fact, the Jesus story (which you cite) is a blatant plagiarism of several earlier myths.
Why do you emphasize Christianity's relationship with Judaism, while ignoring the obvious (mythic) origins of both religions?
Jesus and his followers were Jews. It wasn't until Saul of Tarsus, a Roman, began preaching his brand of religion that Christianity became established as a distinct religion.
Otherwise, it would have remained part of Judaism.
Get a clue, will you?
There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian"
Well I do know a number of Jews who would agree with that statement. Mostly because of the way Christianity has butchered their religion, then tell them they misunderstand their own culture.
But the rest of this is just bat-shit insane. Did he get these ideas from Borat?
The "khana-baal" nonsense is claimed by several people to come from Alexander Hislop, a virulent 19th century anti-catholic crackpot. But I couldn't find any evidences of it in a search of his book, "The Two Babylons, or the Papal Worship Proved to be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife". Others are welcome to try: The Two Babylons
Rayon Mather's church:
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Shhhhh ... nobody tell Rayon Mather that the entire Old Testament is a Jewish holy book.
EDIT: Dammit, Marsten beat me to it!
Don'tcha just luuuuuuuuve it when people make up etymologies to prove a completely fucked-up thesis? Not to mention that's not even correct Hebrew -- not that I'm an expert, but wouldn't it be something like ha-kahane ha-ba'al ? Which I am pretty certain would never have been used in the Bible to refer to a Temple priest, but likely a foreign priest (Moabite, Ammonite, Phoenician, etc).
And for what it's worth, that entire thread is insane. The one person who says anything reality-based is called a tard.
Umn... no. Completely fail.
The truth:
As for human sacrifice and cannibalism in the second temple: you're fucking full of shit. Human isn't kosher, you asshole.
Oh, and about Jesus and Judaism: the last supper was a fucking Passover seder.
Your Christ? Big Jew. Jewier than Jew. God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob worshippin' Jew. Why do you think he was called "King of the Jews?"
You do realise that Jesus was Jewish? And his ideas and ideals are an extrapolation of Judaism? Or did that simple fact escape your notice?
And another fact. Your 'information' about the source of "cannibal" is nowhere near right.
FYI:
Etymology:
"Christianity is not an 'outgrowth' of Judaism, Christianity has no kinship with Judaism,"
Wrong, jackass. Historically, that's exactly what it is. Judaism predates Christianity, and Christianity is just an outgrowth of Judaism.
Christianity was a sect of Judaism up until the 5th century.
One human sacrifice by a Jew is recorded in the Old Testament, the Sacrifice by Jephthah of his daughter (Judges 11, 29-39), but her body was burnt, not eaten.
On another occasion the Israelites captured a load of virgins from a city where they had slaughtered everyone else and stolen all the sheep. They gave JHWH a share of the spoils, including the virgins. They sacrificed sheep, and the Temple didn't have any vestal virgins or priestesses, so... (Numbers 31:1-3)
However, human sacrifice was not the rule in the OT and Baal is a word meaning "lord" that was used for various gods of competing religions, some of which apparently did require regular baby-killing. Or maybe that's just what the Hebrews said about them, the same way generations of Xtians have said it about Jews.
@ArmandT:
JESUS WAS A JEW.
Definitely.
He was trained as a Jewish priest.
Not quite. Remember, the Jewish priesthood was hereditary, not vocational; a rabbi is a teacher or prayer leader, but isn't the same as a priest. The latter had duties related specifically to the Temple, which is why the Kohanim no longer really have such a central role in Jewish religious practice (unless/until another Temple is built, and even then large portions of Judaism are likely to conclude that the need for a Jewish hereditary priesthood has passed).
Tell me then, what had Jesus been doing in Jerusalem's temple for three days before his parents found him (Luke II:46-47)? Surely convincing the doctors, priests and rabbis they were a bunch of heathen cannibals.
Besides, Christianity absolutely grew from the very rich soil of the Hebrew's faith. Fucking deal with it.
But, Christ was Jew. And, the Old Testament is all about God's special love for Israelites.
This is how so many version of Christianity came to be. You all think you know better and are more special than everyone else, so you make shit up to feel more important than other believers.
Of course Christianity isn't an outgrowth of Judaism. That's just nonsense. How dare someone take your own holy book, look into it, find something that it states, and use that against you! What kind of sick person would do that?
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Jews did a lot of things, but Cannibalism and human sacrifice was not one of them. AT ALL. Christianity was an offshot of Judaism and Jesus was an observant one, by the way. By the way, cannibalism is a Carib, i.e. pre-colombian American, word.
Wow, you not only fail in reality, you fail in religion. This, my friends, is an EPIC fail. An idiot of the highest (or lowest) grade, indeed. You, Rayon, are the biggest idiot and loser, and even those of your own ilk would highly disagree with your views. Welcome to reality: Lesson #1: Sit down and STFU!
Cannibal, if I remember well, was the deformation of the name of a tribe in the Carib, nothing to do with Baal. And by the way, since when sacrificing animals is cannibalism?
Show me where, in any of the Jewish sacred texts you call the "Old Testament", human sacrifice at the temple in Jerusalem is actually called for. It's probably right next to where Baal-worship was called a proper Jewish tradition, rather than an abomination.
"There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian"
"Christianity is not an 'outgrowth' of Judaism, Christianity has no kinship with Judaism"
Every professor of theology would like a word with you. Just after they've stopped laughing their bollocks off at you...!
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And when they've calmed down and wiped the tears from their eyes, they'll presumably start with the four words that completely destroy your argument:
Jesus was a Jew.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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