[Kieth Ellison being sworn in with the Koran]
We should do what Australia did. He is welcome to live here, work here, become a Congressman but he must go by our way of life. We believe in God as a nation and we swear men in by the Bible. We should not change that. Would they use the bible if we wanted to be sworn into office over in Iran/Iraq. not on your life.
[Timewarp: This is not, nor ever was, a nation under god. He has every right to be sworn in with any book he wants, or none at all.]
Even at this time you are a minority. The vast majority of America believes in God and if you had a small amount of history you would know that it was also founded on that believe. Your making yourself look ignorant.
No you could say you use your brain. No offesne but TW is just trying to make it look like America was founded by Apes like his ancestors. And he shouldn't take offense to that as that is what he believes.
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"We believe in God as a nation and we swear men in by the Bible."
"Would they use the bible if we wanted to be sworn into office over in Iran/Iraq. not on your life"
"We believe in God as a nation and we swear men in by the Bible."
We believe in God as a nation and we swear men in by the Bible. We should not change that. Would they use the bible if we wanted to be sworn into office over in Iran/Iraq. not on your life. want to turn the nation into the Christian equivalent of Iran? Well, at least you are one fundie who's honest about it.
In a nutshell, do you know what an oath is?. People who are Christians swear UNDER THE BIBLE, because it´s a sacred book for these people. To break an oath is to make a sacriledge. Tell me, if Ellison is muslim, why is he swearing under a book which has little or no value to him?, the degree of reliability for him is as if he was swearing upon Cosmopolitan. In Iran they don´t swear under the Koran, by the way. Only those who are, guess what?, yes, MUSLIMS. There are Christians and Jews, and nobody forces them to. I think you don´t understand the point, so this debate is useless.
Matthew 5: 33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.US Constitution, Article VI: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
So you don't know the Bible or the Constitution. You're 0 for 2, ELZ0RR0.
"What did Australia do? Julian?" This may be of interest.
Another person who missed this little tidbit: Congresspeople aren't sworn in on either a Bible or a Qur'an. They are sworn in en masse; the swearing in with hand on book is done ceremonially, in private, and has nothing to do with their actual oath of office.
Legislators are sworn in as a large group, no one swears on an individual book. If one wishes to hold their own book during the ceremony, they may. Hoover and Pierce were Quakers and did not swear on a book when they became President. Nixon swore on two Bibles so it apparently is no indicator of honesty. And actually some Constitutional experts consider it would be a violation of Article VI of the Constitution to force someone to swear on a Bible. Zorro scores a zero!
Um.... actually, in both Iraq and Iran, it is considered a useless oath if you swear on any book you don't personally believe/have faith in.
There was a lot of talk amongs politicians and in op ed pieces about the need to make immigrants (well, Muslim immigrants from Arab countries) more "Australian", whatever the hell that is, keep in mind that this is a young country with a strong history ethnic and cultural diversity.... I'm not sure that it really went anywhere and what with the water crisis and the suburban tragedy that is high interest rates and people borrowing beyond their means it probably faded off into the background. The "immigrant emergency" was mostly driven by those who had an active interest in promoting disharmony : tabloid papers, cheap news shows, MPs in marginal lower middle class seats.
but he must go by our way of life We believe in God as a nation
We most certainly do not.
and we swear men in by the Bible
Or by a different holy text of his or her choice. Or by the Constitution.
if you had a small amount of history you would know that it was also founded on that believe. Your making yourself look ignorant.
No, i think "your" the one making himself look ignorant.
Uhhh..I'm australian.
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