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David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia soulwinning.info

Homosexuality is done by lack of faith and by enmity against God. This is why homosexuals have perverted the Bible into a lie. The chairman of the Old Testament translating committee for the New International Version (NIV), Marten Woudstra is a homosexual. I'll never understand why any pastor would knowingly continue to use the NIV in their church after learning that the chairman of the Old Testament committee is a flaming homosexual. No wonder the word “sodomite” has been completely removed from the Old Testament. These are evil people! This proves that homosexuals do indeed harbor deep seeded ill-feelings toward God.

I've never heard a homosexual admit that what they are doing is evil and a sin. No, rather, they boast of gay pride, corrupting the Word of God and attempting to force their sick lifestyle on society. They have been largely successful only because Christians are asleep these days, at ease on Zion. To be more specific, Believers don't have enough faith in the Lord to fight for the Lord. Few believers today care enough to contend for the faith, sacrifice, forsake the sinful world and to take a firm Biblical stand against public wickedness. Of the few faithful Christians in America who have stood, some have been imprisoned. When freedom fails, good men rot in filth jails.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

The introduction to the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible confesses that it “falls short” of being “perfect,” and the NIV certainly does! However, the translating committee of the NIV also claims that “ALL” Bible translations today “fall short” of perfection. The translators of the NIV wrote in the preface, “Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by imperfect man, this one undoubtedly falls short of its goals.” It falls short of being God's Word too!

The translators of the NIV are telling us that no one has God's Word today, that all translations are flawed and have errors in them. Do you really believe that the same God who spoke the universe into existence is incapable or unwilling to preserve His Word for today's generation? God promised in Psalms 12:6-7 to preserve His Word until all generation. If God has preserved those inspired Words for every generation, then His Words are still inspired today. Please read, “The Inspiration Of The Almighty In The King James Bible!”

The NIV translators claim that we are all at the mercy of imperfect men to give us a reliable Bible, but what about a sovereign and omnipotent God? God gave us the King James Bible.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Today's Apostate Churches are Filled with Modernists!

Photo to Right: A homosexual painting by artist, Becki Jayne

The artwork to the right is also found on JesusInLove.org (Ms. Kittredge website). The painting was designed to identify a rejected Christ with rejected homosexuals. The message is evil, unbiblical, and blasphemous to God Almighty! This is another master deception by Satan to dupe naive people into believing that homosexuals are equal to Jesus in their sufferings.

Jesus was persecuted because He preached the TRUTH... John 8:40, "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham." Jesus was rejected by most people because He spoke the Truth!

Homosexuals on the other hand, are not accepted because homosexuality is unhealthy, unnatural, uncivilized, and ungodly!!! We're talking apples and oranges here folks. How dare Becki Jayne, Kittredge Cherry, and other homosexuals, pervert the meaning of the cross of Christ, by alleging that their rejection is no different than what Jesus endured. Homosexuality MUST be rejected because it goes hand-in-hand with apostasy, AIDS, the deterioration of society, and the judgment of God.

Marsha Stevens is a professed Christian, who operates the ministry BALM (Born Again Lesbian Music). Sadly, Bill Gaither has befriended her, singing in concert with her, and has remained silent about the sin of homosexuality. Apostasy has crept into so many churches that today that a Bible-believing Christian is criticized for speaking out against sin. Tragically, the average professed "Christian" today is more upset with people like me (who preach against sin), than they are with the rockers, lesbians, abortionists, strippers, and shysters who deceitfully CLAIM to be "Christian."

Our churches are filled with modernists who aren't what they appear to be, "...having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." That "power" is the Gospel (Romans 1:16). Modernists are everywhere today! They talk about the Bible, spiritual concepts, Biblical teachings, and the principles Jesus taught; BUT, they are unsaved, unregenerated, unrepentant, and on their way to Hell without Jesus Christ. They will certainly die in their sins if they continue on their present path of destruction.

I find the artwork above very offensive and blasphemous. Jesus was not a "faggot." The message being implied by the above picture is that any criticisms or rejection of homosexuality is equal to Christ-rejection. Talk about REVERSE-PSYCHOLOGY! Homosexuality is DIAMETRICALLY opposed to everything the Word of God teaches! The Bible is incontrovertible concerning the sinfulness of homosexuality. Any child knows that it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. God called homosexuals "sodomites" in the Old Testament (King James Bible), linking their wicked sin with the destruction which fell upon Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is it any wonder why the apostate New International Version NIV translators completely removed the word "sodomite" from the Bible? To no surprise, the same parent company which publishes the NIV also publishes The Joy of Gay Sex. A homosexual recently wrote me, alleging that Ezekiel 16:49-50 indicates that Sodom wasn't destroyed mainly for homosexuality. Argue as they may, the hideous sin which is spotlighted in Genesis 19:4-11 is homosexuality. By the way, these same Scriptures in Genesis reveal the violence, lawlessness, cold-heartedness, and vile affections which become more evident in a homosexualized society. The United States is headed for some dark times as homosexuality saturates our society and churches.

Those Who Seek to Legitimize and Justify Homosexuality are LIARS!

Photo to Left: A popular gay painting of Judas showing homosexual affection to Christ. This is sick!

Anyone who pretends that Jesus was a homosexual is a deceiver! Judas did not kiss Jesus with homosexual affection. Jesus and John were not gay lovers! Kittredge Cherry's new book, Jesus In Love, presents Jesus and John as gay lovers. Kittredge Cherry is unjust towards the Savior. She admits that she CAN'T prove Jesus was homosexual, but she writes a fictitious novel attacking Him nevertheless.

She has assassinated Jesus' character! Woe unto those who attack the Lord, and take His name in vain! To say that Christ was a homosexual is the same as calling Him a sinner, which is a denial of His deity. Jesus hated iniquity (Hebrews 1:9). The Word of God states that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION (i.e., hate coupled with disgust) to God. Homosexuality is utterly disgusting.

Martin #fundie premierchristianity.com

(=An Anti Gay vs Pro Gay argument desolves into an Eternal Torment vs Annihilation argument of Hell=)

Martin: Curiously the penalty for all sin is the same:
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
(Ezekiel 18:4 [ESV])
Death is the penalty for any sin.
You reject the fact that homosexuality is simply sexual sin merely to justify yourself.

Guglielmo Marinaro: Ah well, if all those souls are going to die, then they won’t be living on in hell to suffer everlasting torment, will they? So that’s some consolation.
You assert that homosexuality is simply sexual sin merely to justify yourself. I reject the “fact” that homosexuality is simply sexual sin, because it isn’t a fact but simply nonsense.

Martin: Death for the soul of a sinner means an eternity of torment. Keep pretending while you can, one day you'll have to admit you're wrong.

Guglielmo Marinaro: Death does not mean an eternity of torment – except perhaps once again in your Martinian Newspeak lexicon – and an attempt to read such a concept into that verse from Ezekiel is eisegesis par excellence.
You may keep on repeating your ignorant nonsense till kingdom come, and I will continue to recognize it as ignorant nonsense, nothing more. As you have yourself recently observed, it is tedious to have to repeat the same thing over and over again, but – who knows? – God may use it to enlighten you and get you to repudiate your errors.

Martin: Curious then that Jesus speaks of two options, eternal life and eternal punishment:
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
(Matthew 25:46 [ESV])

Guglielmo Marinaro: Quite apart from uncertainty regarding the meaning of the Greek word “aionios”, which has been translated in English Bibles by the word “eternal” or “everlasting”, but which does not necessarily mean “of endless duration” – in the Greek Septuagint it is applied, for example, to things which have long since come to an end, e.g. the Aaronic priesthood (Numbers 25:13) and the gates of the Temple at Jerusalem (Psalm 24:7, 9) – it is interesting that Jesus contrasts “eternal punishment” with “eternal LIFE”, which seems clearly to imply that those who go to “eternal punishment” will NOT live on for ever.
This is confirmed by Jesus’s admonition, “Do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND body in Gehenna.” (Matthew 10:28)

Martin: So you're saying that eternal life doesn't last for ever? I think you'd be hard pressed to maintain that.
As for Matthew 10, it is notable that the same word is not used for the act of one who is able to kill the body but not the soul and the one who is able to destroy both body and soul.

Guglielmo Marinaro : No, I am not saying that eternal life does not last for ever, nor am I implying that. But if the belief that it does has no stronger basis than the use of a Greek word which is applied in the Septuagint to a priesthood which no longer exists and to the doors of a temple which was razed to the ground centuries ago, it rests on a pretty precarious foundation.
Something which has been destroyed no longer exists. If anything, “destroy” bears an even stronger connotation of annihilation than “kill”. The verse in Matthew 10 which speaks of the destruction of both soul and body can, like so many biblical texts, be pulled around in Procrustean fashion to bring it into apparent conformity with preformed dogma, but as the New Testament scholar Kim Papaioannou observes, “It appears that the attempt to understand the meaning of ?p???sa? in Matthew 10:28 as something other than ‘destruction’ in its most obvious meaning is based more on theological considerations than linguistic evidence.” He adds that this conclusion is supported by a survey of the usage of the different forms of that verb in the Synoptic Gospels, elsewhere in the New Testament and in the Septuagint.

Martin: The same word is used of eternal life as to eternal punishment, so if one is not to experience eternal punishment neither will anyone experience eternal life. It matters not what a man who thinks he has invented a whole new understanding of the Bible says

Guglielmo Marinaro: And the very same adjective (a??????) is used of the Aaronic priesthood, which no longer exists, and of the doors of the Temple at Jerusalem, which was razed to the ground centuries ago.

Martin: And the Septuagint was translated hundreds of years before the New Testament was written. Nor is it inspired, the translators were capable of error.
The punishment and life clearly last for the same length of time.

Guglielmo Marinaro: “And the Septuagint was translated hundreds of years before the New Testament was written.”
So what? It is the same Greek adjective, and the Septuagint was good enough for Paul, since it was the version from which he habitually quoted in his epistles.
“Nor is it inspired, the translators were capable of error.”
As were the original biblical writers, and as were all the translators who have produced every translation of the Bible ever made, from the Vulgate to the NIV.
“The punishment and life clearly last for the same length of time.”
Clearly to you perhaps, but clearly not clearly to everyone else.

Martin: You didn't realise languages change over time?
The original biblical writers were caused by God to write as they did, their writing is without error for it is breathed out by God.
When the same word is used of two things in the same sentence it is clear to everyone that the same meaning is given to the two instances. Everyone except you apparently.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

The word "hell" occurs 31 times in the Old Testament in the King James Bible. In the Old Testament of the NIV it occurs - ZERO! The word "hell" is NOT in the Old Testament of the NIV!

And what do they do with "hell"? Take PSALM 9:17 for example: The King James reads, "The wicked shall be turned into HELL. . ." The NIV, reads, "The wicked return to the GRAVE. . ." We ALL "return to the GRAVE"! By removing "hell" the NIV perverts Psalm 9:17 into nonsense!

In the New Testament the NIV zaps out "hell" 9 times. And what "clearer" "easier to understand" word does the NIV "update" hell with? Five times they use - HADES! (Matt 16:18, Rev 1:18, 6:8, 20:13,14) What "common person" understands HADES? Everybody knows what HELL is! Do you know what HADES is? Hades is not always a place of torment or terror. The Assyrian Hades is an abode of blessedness with silver skies called "Happy Fields". In the satanic New Age Movement, Hades is an intermediate state of purification! Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary defines HADES: "the underground abode of the dead in Greek MYTHOLOGY". The NIV perverts your Bible into MYTHOLOGY!

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

The chairman of the Old Testament who translated the New International Version was an open homosexual. No wonder he removed the word “sodomite” from the Bible completely. It is wickedness to remove the word sodomite from the Bible, which is the Biblical term for a homosexual. Romans 1:25 says that the wicked “change the truth of God into a lie.” Homosexuality is a horrible sin, just as are all sins. Any sin can be forgiven in Christ, but this does not mean embracing the homosexual lifestyle as being acceptable or legitimate. The NIV Bible is of the Devil, translated and endorsed by homosexuals.

If you love Jesus, then you're not going to use a perverted Bible version that diminishes His deity, removes the Godhead and removed the blood of Jesus 15 TIMES!

If Dr. John R. Rice were still alive on earth today, I am convinced that he would take an uncompromising stand as I am, as a preacher, against the perversion of modern corrupt Bible versions. The NIV took the Bible version issue to a whole new level. Now the new NIV 2011 has been published, which is gender neutral, no longer calls the Holy Spirit a “He,” wives are no longer commanded to obey their husbands, et cetera.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Homosexuals want much more than not to be bullied, they want to shut up God-fearing Christians who dare even say that homosexuality is a sin. They want us and our children to be around sick-minded gays who are kissing, fondling each other and behaving lower than animals, and accept it. Homosexuality is a form of mental illness; not physical mental retardation; but rather, a spiritually caused mentally-warped mind. 75-years-ago the American Psychiatric Association treated homosexuality as a disease of the mind. Today they have turned 180 degrees, teaching gays how to cope instead. It's not a matter of personal opinion; but rather, God in the Bible condemns the sin of homosexuality.

Abortionists are also mentally-ill. No mentally healthy person murders their offspring. No mentally healthy person supports gay-rights. If you have been sold the big lie that homosexuals should have a right to get married, adopt children and live as heterosexual couples, then the Devil has your mind and soul. I'm a born-again Christian. I believe the Bible, the King James Bible, which has been around long before modern evil agendas dictated how we're supposed to think. Gays have even corrupted the Bible. At least two admitted homosexuals were involved with the translation of the “New International Version” (NIV). Perhaps you don't mind a corrupted Bible translated by gays, but I do. The word “sodomite” was removed completely from the NIV. Gee, I wonder why?

Matthew Gregory McLaughlin #fundie matthewgregorymclaughlin.wordpress.com

The ignorant notion that the Lord Jesus Christ was somehow silent or ambivalent about Sodomites is a fiction manufactured by liars with a bad conscience.

Christ’s animosity toward Sodomites was so ‘extreme’ that he professed an almost impatient desire to burn them all up.

The warning that Jesus Christ will return to burn up his enemies with unquenchable fire is repeatedly connected to the example of Sodom, the import of which is absolutely unmistakable: Sodomites will infect the world in the end of days, and Christ will return in his wrath for the very purpose of burning them in the torments of eternal fire.

Consider the following examples of ‘invidious discrimination’ and ‘hate speech’ of our Creator Jesus Christ toward sex-perverts:

#1 – Jesus said marriage is only between a man and woman:

“And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” (Matthew 19:4-6)(see also, Mark 10:6-9)

#2 – Jesus affirmed observance of the Old Testament Law (viz., Lev. 20:13):

“¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:17-19)

#3 – Jesus explained that the purpose of his return in the future will be to burn up the world’s sodomites with flaming fire:

“¶ I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:.” (Luke 12:49-51)

“Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.” (Luke 17:28-30)

#4 – Jesus warned the friends of Sodomites of getting the same treatment:

“Remember Lot’s wife.” (Luke 17:32)

#5 – Jesus repeatedly said he would return to burn up the wicked:

“19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 7:19)

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:40-42)

“Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.” (Matthew 18:8-9)

# 6 -Jesus’ disciples Peter and Jude – who lived with Christ and knew all his teachings – explained that the Sodomites weren’t doomed for being ‘unfriendly’ – they were damned for being sex perverts:

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.” (Jude 1:7-8)

“And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:” (2 Peter 2:6-9)

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Those passages describe Sodomites as those who engage in ‘filthy’ ‘unlawful’ ‘fornication’ – and they make it crystal clear that the same such perverts will be burned to ashes in the most horrifying manner imaginable by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Still think Jesus was non-committal on the issue of destroying Sodomites? If so, please donate your frontal lobe to science so they can study the densest matter in the universe.

Better-informed Sodomites don’t display their stupidity as recklessly as to make the bizarre claim of taking a sworn enemy like the Lord Jesus Christ as their benefactor. That’s a phenomenon reserved for the worst of the worst – the most shameless and blind of the entire bunch.

Degenerates should claim for themselves a moral relativist like Buddha, or some a worldly philosopher that tried to deny the judgment to come. Call upon whatever gods you want – but don’t call upon Jesus Christ, unless you repent.

Hating evil is Jesus Christ’s eternal joy:

“Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Psalms 45:7)

“For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. 5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.” (Psalms 5:4-5)

“For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:15)

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

NIV Bible is Demonic

We recommend the KJV and NKJV Bibles.

According to Wikipedia, "the New International Version (NIV) translation has become the most popular modern English translation of the Bible, having sold more than 450 million copies worldwide". What Zondervan Publishers won't DARE tell you is that they are OWNED by Harper Collins, who also publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex. Doesn't it seem odd to anyone with a brain and a love for Christ that the world's largest Bible publisher (Zondervan) is owned by the same company, HarperCollins, that publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex."

Every pastor and Christian using the NIV are supporting these demonic publications. Furthermore, the Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation comes from same Greek manuscripts as does the NIV! The Jehovah's Witnesses' Interlinear Greek New Testament is based upon the corrupt Greek of Westcott and Hort, openly admitted in front of the publication.

This is not a good thing. There are many flaws in the NIV bible. It omits several passages and tries to make the word politically correct - which is not of God. The word of God has the power to change the world, the world cannot and should not try to change the Word. Here are a few flaws with the NIV:

"1. NIV removes the "Love of God".
2. NIV brutally attacks Jesus' deity.
3. NIV removes the Blood of Jesus from Colossians 1:14".

NIV omits Bible verses:
Matthew 17:21
Matthew 18:11
Matthew 23:14
Mark 6:11
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44 & 9:46
Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Luke 4:8
Luke 17:36
Luke 23:17
John 5:3–4
Acts 8:37
Acts 9:5–6
Acts 15:34
Acts 24:6–8
Acts 28:29
Romans 16:24
1 John 5:7–8

NIV boxes Bible verses:
Mark 16:9–20
John 7:53–8:11

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Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified and the captives may be set free in Jesus name. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

King James was no homo. But if you want to find some homos that helped translate the Bible, look no further than the translating committee of the New International Version (NIV). Can you imagine... homosexuals involved with translating the Word of God? Is it any wonder why the word "sodomite" has been completely stricken from the NIV? And go figure, the NIV is by far the most popular Bible in America today amongst pastors and Christian laymen. Sad.

Matthew Cullinan Hoffman #fundie lifesitenews.com

December 11, 2018 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A group of archeologists and other scientists say they have discovered strong evidence that the region of the “Middle Ghor,” where the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are believed to have existed, were in fact destroyed by a meteor that exploded in the sky above, raining down superheated matter and raising temperatures to thousands of degrees, a theory that matches the account of the cities’ destruction contained in the Old Testament Book of Genesis.

According to the theory, the meteor exploded at low altitude with the force of a ten megaton atomic bomb at an altitude of about one kilometer over the northeast corner of the Dead Sea, and obliterated all of civilization in the 25-kilometer-wide circular plain that constitutes the “Middle Ghor.”

The researchers presented preliminary findings on the subject at this year’s annual meeting of the American Schools of Oriental Research in November, and have been developing the theory since at least 2015. They state that the evidence from radiocarbon dating indicates that a group of civilizations flourished in the area for over two millennia, until approximately 1700 BC, when the mud-brick walls of the buildings in the region simultaneously disappeared and only the stone foundations remained.

At the same time, the pottery in the settlements was heated into glass in the space of milliseconds, according to the results of an analysis of the Zircon crystals formed in the process, indicating that they were briefly exposed to temperatures of approximately 4000 to 12000 degrees Celsius, comparable to the temperature of the surface of the sun.

The explosion rained down platinum as well as molten lava on the region, according to two of the archeologists, and this further confirms that a meteor was the source, given that platinum is found in higher concentrations in meteors than on earth.

Approximately 40,000 to 60,000 people living in the region were killed, and a 500-square kilometer area was rendered uninhabitable for 600 to 700 years, the researchers estimate. They believe that the area was stripped of its topsoil, and that salts from the nearby Dead Sea were spread over the land, destroying its fertility.

The settlements that were annihilated in the event include the principal excavation site, “Tall el-Hammam,” which the archeologists believe is the city of Sodom, whose destruction is recounted in the Book of Genesis, chapter 19. The approximate date of the annihilation also matches the time period corresponding to the event in Genesis, according to archeologists.

The research has been carried out by the Tall el-Hammam Excavation Project (TeHEP) by a team of scientists from various universities and scientific institutes, including New Mexico Tech, Northern Arizona University, North Carolina State University, Elizabeth City (NC) State University, DePaul University, Trinity Southwest University, and Los Alamos National Laboratories.

Close correlation with the Book of Genesis, chapter 19

Two archeologists involved in the Tall el-Hammam Excavation Project, Steven Collins and Phillip Silvia, wrote in a 2015 conference paper that “the physical evidence from Tall el-Hammam and neighboring sites exhibit signs of a highly destructive concussive and thermal event that one might expect from what is described in Genesis 19.”

“The soil/ash samples gathered from Tall el-Hammam contain evidence of top-soil destruction and sub-soil contamination with Dead Sea salts that would have prevented the cultivation of crops for many centuries following the event, which explains (in part, at least) the long occupational hiatus,” they add.

According to the nineteenth chapter of the Book of Genesis, verse 24, “The Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven,” a statement that matches well the high temperatures and superheated stones that would have rained from the sky in such an event.

The Hebrew word for “brimstone” is normally applied to sulfur, which is a stone that burns.

Genesis 19 also seems to describe the general devastation in the region, including the loss of plant life discovered by the archeologists, stating in verse 25, “And he destroyed these cities, and all the country about, all the inhabitants of the cities, and all things that spring from the earth.”

“The country about” is the Hebrew word “hakkikkar,” which refers to a plain seated between mountains, or a valley. Archeologists believe this area to be the Middle Ghor.

Genesis adds that Abraham “looked towards Sodom and Gomorrah, and the whole land of that country: and he saw the ashes rise up from the earth as the smoke of a furnace.”

Genesis and other books of the Bible state that Sodom was destroyed in retribution for the sexual perversion of the inhabitants, particularly their desire for sexual relations with the same sex, which the Scripture calls an “abomination.”

The New Testament Letter of Jude likens fires that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah to the “eternal fire” of hell.

“Sodom and Gomorrah, and the neighboring cities...having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire,” the letter states in chapter one.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Today's psuedo scholars claim that since eating shellfish was also an abomination in the Old Testament (punishable by death), it cannot mean that homosexuality is a sin. You must understand that God gave three types of laws in the Old Testament to the Jews: moral laws, ceremonial laws and civil laws. Moral laws apply 365 days a year, 24 hours a day (all the time). Ceremonial laws only applied to the Jews in the Old Testament in the Holy Land. Civil laws are still the basis of our civil courts today worldwide. Civil laws deal with how we treat one another; such as property laws and borrowing/lending principles.

Homosexuality is a violation of God's moral laws. Romans chapter one plainly exposes the unnatural sin of homosexuality and lesbianism (Romans 1:20-32). Homosexuals try to deceive naive people with the word abomination and other Scriptures, but they avoid Romans chapter one because it cannot be easily corrupted. Read Colossians 3:5-6 and then tell me that God approves of homosexuality if you dare...

Colossians 3:5-6, “Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience.”

Only an evil sinner that is defiant against God would dare claim that God makes people homosexual. God doesn't make mistakes my friend. Two makes cannot reproduce and have children. If you think you were born with homosexual tendencies, then it's only because you've grown up without hearing the Word of God, or were sexually abused or didn't have a strong masculine role model in your life. Why is it that homosexuality is much more prevalent today than it was 100 years ago? As America society because sex-perverted, so also does homosexuality thrive.

It's no coincidence that the evil New World Order (NWO) gang who've hi-jacked America are flooding people's lives with sex, sex, sex everywhere we turn today. It's all part of the Communist subversion of America. If you laugh, it's only because you're woefully ignorant and haven't studied the history of the United States.

Roger M. Wilcox #fundie members.dslextreme.com

Vegetables.

More evidence that vegetables are evil can be found in the Book of Daniel:

"Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, 'Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.' So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days.
At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food."
— Daniel 1:11-15 (NIV translation)

On the surface, this passage might look like an endorsement of vegetarianism. But take a closer look. Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah were God's chosen representatives during the Babylonian exile. The point of this passage was to show that God would sustain their health because of their servitude to Him, even if their diet would not normally sustain them. They didn't become healthy because of the vegetables they ate, they became healty in spite of their vegetarian diet!

"Okay," I hear the Christians cry, "But those books were in the Old Testament. The ancient dietary laws were done away with when Jesus came along. Surely, vegetables are no longer evil in the New Testament!" Oh no? Take a look at Paul's letter to the Romans:

"One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables."
— Romans 14:2 (NIV translation)

Not only are vegetables still looked down upon in the New Testament, they are a sign of weak faith! If that isn't Biblical proof that vegetables are evil, I don't know what is.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

The Bible calls homosexuals “sodomites,” and that is a perfectly proper word to use, and we ought to use that Biblical term!!! We should also call homosexuals what they are, “sinners!” WE ARE ALL SINNERS!!! Johnny Nixon wants people to refrain from using the terms “homosexual” and “sodomite,” lest we offend them, but these terms are acceptable to use. Personally, I try not to use disparaging terms like “fags” and “queerbait,” but there is NOTHING WRONG with these terms either. In fact, I read an article this week at a sodomite website called “PRIDE.COM” (they are proud of their sins), titled 6 REASONS YOU NEED TO USE THE WORD 'QUEER,' in which homosexuals actually give several reasons why people should call them “queers.” (I won't link to the article because of the filthy photos on their website.) They want to be called “queers”! “Gay” used to be an innocent word. Homosexuals are not “gays,” they are perverts, but I still find myself using the word gay at times. Folks, no matter what we as God-fearing Christians call sodomites, they will be offended. They are striving against their Maker. Isaiah 45:9, “Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker!”

Homosexuals are called “sodomites” after the wicked city of Sodom in the Old Testament. Sodom was a place of wickedness. In Genesis 19:1-11 we read about a lustful mob of homosexuals, who attempted to break down Lot's door and rape the two angels from Heaven. They didn't even want Lot's daughters! Those perverts tried to rape Heaven!!! The angels struck the sodomites with blindness. Lot and his family were rescued from Sodom, before God rained down fire and brimstone, sending them all to a burning eternal Hell. Jude 1:7, “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

I will never stop calling them “sodomites”! Since the U.S. government is forcing homosexuality on everyone today, just as gays forced sodomy in Genesis 19:1-11, preachers need to fight back with the Word of God. You'll never win sodomites to Jesus Christ by going soft on sin. That's what repentance is all about.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

One of the most hideous evils of modern times is the corrupting of the Word of God. The New International Version (NIV) of the Bible is an evil work, a piece of filth, and should go into your garbage pail if you have one. Tragically, the NIV is by far the most popular Bible in America today amongst ministers and laity. The NIV completely removes the necessary word “begotten” from John 3:16...

•King James Bible: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

•New International Version: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

The NIV teaches heresy, because Jesus is not God's one and only Son. By removing the all-important word “begotten” they have perverted the words of the living God. Evidently the ignoramuses who translated the NIV never read John 1:12, “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.” Those unscholarly intellectuals never read 1st John 3:1, “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.” The truth of the matter is that God has MANY sons, but only one BEGOTTEN Son. If you are a born-again child of God, male or female, then you are an adopted son of God.

Jesus was born of a miraculous virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23), and entered this world as the Godhead incarnate, i.e., the Godhead in the flesh (Colossians 2:9; 1st Timothy 3:16). Please note that all my Scriptures references are solely to the trustworthy inspired King James Bible. All modern bible versions have been tampered with and are corrupt.

How could the NIV translating committee be so stupid? It is no small matter to translate the Word's of Almighty God, especially when you CHANGE what He said. The Bible, in numerous references, warns and pronounces a curse upon all Bible corrupters (Deuteronomy 4:2; Galatians 1:8-9; 2nd Peter 3:16; Revelation 22:19). “...for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God” (Jeremiah 23:36). Now they're catering to the sinful agendas of lesbians and feminists with their NIV 2011, which is a gender-inclusive Bible. Please remember that lesbianism, transgender, gender equality and unisex are synonymous with the sinful philosophy and lifestyle of feminism, which is rebellion against God-ordained masculine authority.

The King James Bible translates John 3:16 absolutely 100% correct. The word “begotten” is there in John 3:16, because Jesus is indeed the only begotten Son of God. Every born again believer is an adopted son of God... “To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons” (Galatians 4:5). Every Christian is an adopted child into God's family. So if you have a Bible, make sure that the word “begotten” in present in John 3:16, or else throw it into the garbage after tearing it up. Why Would Anyone Use the NIV?

Christian Answers #fundie christiananswers.net

The issue of homosexual behavior has had a lot of publicity of late. Homosexuals say that the slaves have been freed and women have been liberated, so gay rights are long overdue. Society does seem to be moving in that direction. Many homosexuals are “coming out” and openly declaring their homosexuality. In many parts of the western world, homosexual couples receive the same recognition as heterosexual couples with regard to social security benefits. Some church leaders are giving their blessing to homosexual relationships, homosexual church members and even homosexual ministers.

Many homosexuals’ claim that…

They are made that way.

Homosexuality is of no harm to the participants or to anyone else.

If it feels right to those involved, it is nobody else’s business.

Homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are equally valid. (Some even claim that the Bible condones homosexual relationships.)

Made that way?

Since other groups who have been discriminated against (such as women, blacks and the disabled) have been given equal opportunity, homosexuals claim that they, too, should be liberated. However, as one Christian expert has said…

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.”1

In contrast, homosexuals claim that scientific studies have shown that there is a biological basis for homosexuality.

Three main studies are cited by “gay rights” activists in support of their argument2Hamer’s X-chromosome research,3 LeVay’s study of the hypothalamus,4 and Bailey and Pillard’s study of identical twins who were homosexuals.5

In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, “the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results.”6 There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behavior is determined by a person’s genes.

To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person’s bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior and the law rightly holds them accountable.

The final report of the Baptist Union of Western Australia (BUWA) Task Force on Human Sexuality states “that a person becomes a homosexual ultimately by choosing to be involved in same-sex activity… This is in contrast to innate characteristics such as gender and ethnicity.”7 The report affirms that “the Bible is clear that sin involves choice, and it unequivocally condemns homosexual behavior as sin.”7

The foundational teaching on marriage and sexual issues is found in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. When Jesus was questioned about marriage, He referred to these 2 chapters (Matthew 19:1-12; Mark 10:1-12). Genesis teaches us that “male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). We were created to a plan, male and female complementing each other. That is, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve.

Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.” This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17).

But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms “that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.”7

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman’s role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising, God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is an inspiring role model.

No harm?

Andrew Lansdown points out that “homosexual activity is notoriously disease-prone. In addition to diseases associated with heterosexual promiscuity, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi’s Sarcoma and AIDS.”1 Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8-21 years less lifespan than other men.8

Effect on others

Secular psychologists assure us that “children raised in lesbian and gay households are similar to children raised in heterosexual households on characteristics such as intelligence, development, moral judgments, self-concepts, social competence and gender identity.”6 The humanists have, however, forgotten one important ingredient.

“Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it” (Proverbs 22:6).

You cannot faithfully teach God’s Word to your children while living a lifestyle specifically condemned by God’s Word. All Christians are sinners forgiven by God’s grace, but living in a homosexual relationship constitutes habitual, unrepented sin.

Nobody else’s business?

Gay activists claim that homosexual activity is nobody’s business other than those involved in the relationship. However, this is not true. God, our Designer and Creator, has authority over all aspects of our lives. He makes the rules, and He quite specifically forbids homosexual behavior.

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).

Disobedience of such a clear command indicates rejection of God’s authority.

Some people argue that the Old Testament law (including Leviticus 18 and 20) was superseded with the coming of Christ. However, we should at least consider as binding those aspects of the law that are renewed in the New Testament. The teaching of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 was certainly reaffirmed in the New Testament.

Equally valid?

Some people claim that homosexual behavior was only condemned in the Bible because it was associated with idolatry (e.g., 1 Kings 14:24). However, it is clearly condemned apart from idolatry as well (e.g,. Leviticus 18:22). It is described in Scripture as an unnatural, immoral perversion.

“For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another…” (Romans 1:26-27).

The Greek word arsenokoitai used in 1 Timothy 1:10 literally means “men who sleep with men.” It is the same Greek word used for “homosexual offender” in 1 Corinthians 6:9, variously translated as “abusers of themselves with mankind” (KJV), homosexuals (NASB) or homosexual offender (NIV).

Some people claim that the sin involved in Sodom was rejecting hospitality customs or selfishness rather than homosexual behavior. Certainly, the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah was great and their reported sin was grievous to God (Genesis 18:20). God sent angels to Sodom and…

“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sex with them” (Genesis 19:4-5).

“While it is true that the Hebrew word yadha does not necessarily mean ‘to have sex with,’ nonetheless in the context of Sodom and Gommorah, it clearly had this meaning. …It means ‘to know sexually’ in this very chapter when Lot refers to his two daughters not having “known” a man (19:8).”9 You would not offer virgins to appease a mob if their sin was lack of hospitality, but only if their desire was sexual.

Although Ezekiel 16:49 condemns Sodom for its selfishness with regard to poverty, etc., this does not contradict its condemnation for homosexual practices. “The very next verse of Ezekiel (verse 50) calls their sin an ‘abomination.’ This is the same Hebrew word used to describe homosexual sins in Leviticus 18:22.”10

It is also used in Scripture to describe such things like the practice of offering children to Moloch, but never such things as mere selfishness or lack of hospitality. Even in legal parlance, the word used to refer to one aspect of homosexual practice is ‘sodomy.’

Another argument is that Jonathon and David were homosexuals as “Jonathan loved David” (1 Sam. 18:3), that Jonathan stripped in David’s presence (18:4), [and] that they kissed each other (20:41).11

However, “David’s love for Jonathan was not sexual (erotic) but a friendship (philic) love. And Jonathan did not strip himself of all his clothes, but only of his armor and royal robe (1 Sam. 18:4).”12 Also, a kiss was a normal greeting in that day, such as when Judas kissed Jesus. In several cultures today, men normally greet each other with a kiss, too. Further, David’s love for his wives, especially Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11), clearly reveals his heterosexual orientation.

Isaiah 56:3 states that eunuchs will not be excluded from God’s presence (“my temple”), but practicing homosexuals are not eunuchs. Eunuchs have no sexual relations at all.

Other Scriptural arguments for homosexuality can similarly be easily refuted. It is clear that heterosexual marriage is the only form of marriage sanctioned in the Bible and that homosexual practice is always condemned.

[See: What does the Bible say about same sex marriages? Answer]

Punishment

The Bible not only describes homosexual behavior as detestable, but it also calls for the punishment of those involved (Leviticus 20:13). Their unrepentant attitude caused God to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24-25).

Just as homosexual conduct has been punished in the past, so it will also be punished by God in the future.

“…Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Hope

However, there is hope for the homosexual. God forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behavior (1 Corinthians 6:11). As well as forgiveness, God’s grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to God (Romans 6:6-7). If repentance and reform are genuine, prior homosexual actions should not be a bar to church membership or ministry, as all Christians are reformed sinners.

“Liberal” churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behavior in the name of “love.” They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, “because they can’t help it.” They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), with the power of moral choice.

Furthermore, the gospel proclaims liberation from the bondage of sin, including homosexual sin, whereas the “liberals” tell the homosexual that they cannot help it, and they can’t help them either, so they will accept them as they are! However, many a person has been gloriously rescued from the bondage of homosexual sin (and other sin) by the power of the Holy Spirit, but only Bible-believing Christians can offer such hope.

Conclusion

As with all moral issues, our beliefs about our origin determine our attitude. If we believe that we arose from slime by a combination of random chance events and the struggle for survival, it is understandable to say that there is no higher authority, and we can make our own rules. However, if there is a loving God who planned us and gave commands for us to follow, then we must do so. God has set forth His standards in the Bible, beginning with the foundational teaching in the book of Genesis.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Natural Man CAN NOT Understand God NOR His Word"

I always marvel when saints attempt to debate scripture with nonbelievers. It's as if the two are speaking two different languages and that is because biblically the carnal man does not understand spiritual matters. God is a spirit and those who worship Him MUST worship Him in spirit and in truth. Reprobates read the Holy Bible seeking something to attack God and Christians with, but the believer reads the Holy Bible to learn of God and draw nigh unto Him. God weighs the heart of a man, his intentions. There is no wonder that the things of God are hidden (in the open) from the wicked.

Typically in those exchanges the unbeliever posts an off topic/out of context scripture that usually includes an insult/jab at saints and Jesus Christ. Then the believer tries to make sense of the unbelievers outrageous/off topic/out of context twisting of scripture (note, this is usually an intentional red herring) and continue on topic in an attempt to bring a lost person to Jesus Christ. If entertained, this ultimately changes the topic and gets away from the topic of salvation to some silly outrageous/off topic/out of context twisted exchange on eating shellfish, bigamy or mixing fabrics (note, it is always an Old Testament something that has been done away with and clarified in the New Testament (note the New Testament contradicts that shellfish thing as well as their other distractions (proving they have not searched the scripture for truth, but are simply regurgitating an off topic/out of context scripture to stop the discussion topic, i.e., threadjack): 1 Timothy 4, Matthew 15:11: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man, and that each man should have his OWN wife {singular}, etc.).

I offer that the reprobate, led by the enemy, intentionally tries to discredit scripture/God's truth. He is hoping that the Christian casting pearls before him is weak/not confident in his faith so that he (the reprobate) may sow confusion and cause others to doubt God's truth and compromise, i.e., sell the truth and buy a lie. But, Lord forbid. We are fully persuaded in Jesus name.

Clearly, there is NO explaining their confusion in the natural. I've noticed a couple of mods (who claim to be Christians) have recruited homosexuals, satanists, witches, etc. to mod and control the discussions on their channel's. Those lost individuals often abuse the brethren and heavily censor them and God's Truth. May I ask, what fellowship does light have with dark? The darkness does not even comprehend light.

Where does scripture support casting pearls before swine? Please cite chapter and verse.

(irrelevant scripture deleted)

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.
God bless.

Consult The Rock #fundie ripoffreport.com

[Someone starts a boycott B&N campaign because they are allegedly forcing all established bookstores in the mall to close when the new B&N store opens, this is in the comments section]

YOU CAN'T TRUST ANY OF THEM. THEY'VE GONE TO SPEWING OUT SODOMITE PROPAGANDA SEWAGE

I don't know of any large bookstore that doesn't have a sodomite abominable section. The section glorifies sodomites - Genesis 13, 19; Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy 21, 23, 27; 1Kings 15:11-12, 2Kings 23:7, Isaiah 1:18, 3:9, 5:20-23; Psalms 73, all of Psalms; Proverbs 10:27, all of Proverbs; Romans 1:26-27, etc. within Romans; 1Corinthians 6:9-11, 18}, 1Timothy 1, 2Timothy 3, 2Peter, Jude 7, Revelation, etc, etc, etc! - and has even more lies ABOUT HISTORY, every day life and what sodomites practice (Eph 5:11-13) and do to innocent children (Gen 13:13, 19; Lev 20:13) and to teenagers than the nea, aclu, charles darwin, g brock chisholm and karl marx!! Instead of boycotting, customers continue to patronize those open sewers. It is pathetic. We outnumber that disease ridden, child molesting, dirty, abominable group by a minimum of 49 to one. Yet we give them our business. This must cease if civilization is going to continue to exist. Garbage is extremely popular nowadays. Look at how many have a one-eyed monster: the television.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

The New International Bible (NIV) is by far the most popular Bible today; yet, it is saturated with damnable heresies. The NIV ought to be called, THE NOTICEABLY IDIOTIC VERSION!!! OR, THE NON-INSPIRED VERSION!!! God pity the foolish pastors today, who lacks enough spiritual discernment to recognize and reject the modern satanic Bible revisions. The modern Alexandrian Bible versions attack, diminish and dishonor the Lord Jesus Christ.

STRONG'S EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE OF THE BIBLE shows that the SAME Greek word is used for the word “worship” in Matthew 8:2 and 20:20, as in Revelation 13:12,15 and 14:11. Yet, deceitfully, the translators of the NIV used the word “bowed” in Matthew 8:2 and 20:20, BUT kept the word “worship” to refer to Satan in Revelation 13:12,15 and 14:11. So the NIV translators don't have a problem with anyone worshipping Satan and the Antichrist (i.e., the Beast). They only have a problem with someone WORSHIPPING JESUS. What do you expect from homosexual translators?

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

One of my favorite statements made by our Lord in the Holy Bible is our text verse from John 5:39... “SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES”!!! As I pondered this important phrase from the Lord, I realized that in order to “SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES,” you must first have the Holy Scriptures. Jesus didn't tell us to “SEARCH THE VERSIONS”; but rather, He commanded us to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES!!!

May I say, if you don't have a King James Bible, you don't have a Bible. It is very sad that many pastors and preachers today lack spiritual discernment (Hebrews 5:14). Many of them love the praise of men more than the praise of God (John 12:42-43). Any born-again Christian who loves Jesus can plainly discern that the modern Bible versions have a serious problem with them, deliberately removing the Godhead, attacking Christ's deity and diminishing the Lord's preeminence. The new counterfeit Bible versions remove the word “begotten” from John 3:16; thus attacking the Lord's deity (that He is almighty God).

The big question is: Why would Bible translators diminish Christ's deity, preeminence and the Godhead? The answer is blatantly provided by the New International Version (NIV) translators themselves. In the introduction to the NIV, and on their website at Biblica.com, the NIV's publishers plainly admit that they invited several dozen religious denominations when they were making their translation. They asked for input from all the different religious groups, admitting that their goal was to produce a Bible version that lacked “sectarian bias.” In other words, they wanted a wishy-washy Bible version that made everyone happy. The result is apostasy!

Joe Dallas #fundie jesuspeopleinfo.org

Answering a Homosexual Argument

The Destruction of Sodom

Genesis 19:4-9

By Joe Dallas

Before they [the angels visiting Lot to judge the wicked-ness of Sodom and determine whether or not to spare it] had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them [lit., ‘so we may know them’]." Lot went outside to meet them…and said, " No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men…." …And they said, "We’ll treat you worse than them."

Traditional Position:

The men of Sodom were attempting homosexual contact with Lot’s visitors. Sodom was subsequently destroyed for its great wickedness, homosexuality playing a major role in its destruction.

Pro-Gay Argument #1:

Sodom was destroyed because of the inhospitality of its citizens, not because of homosexuality.

Professor John Boswell, in Christianity, Social Tolerance and Homosexuality (University of Chicago Press 1980), supports this view, basing it on two assumptions: first, that Lot was violating Sodom’s custom by entertaining guests without the permission of the city’s elders, thus prompting the demand to bring the men out "so we may know them"; second, that the word "to know" did not necessarily have a sexual connotation.

The Hebrew word yada appears 943 times in the Old Testament; it carries a sexual meaning perhaps 10 of those 943 times. The argument, then is that the men of Sodom had no sexual intentions towards Lot’s visitors.

Response:

The argument makes no sense in light of Lot’s responses. His first response, "Don’t do this wicked thing," could hardly apply to a simple request to "get to know" his guests. His second response is especially telling: he answered their demands by offering his two virgin daughters-another senseless gesture if the men wanted only a social knowledge of his guests. And why, if these men had innocent intentions, was the city destroyed for inhospitality? Whose rudeness was being judged-Lots’, or Sodom’s citizens?

The theory raises more questions than it answers. While Boswell and Bailey are correct in pointing out the seriousness of inhospitality in Biblical times, inhospitality alone cannot account for the severity of Lot’s response to the men, or for the judgment that soon followed.

Pro-Gay Argument #2:

Sodom was destroyed for attempted rape, not homosexuality.

This argument is more common; it is proposed by lesbian author Virginia Mollenkott and others, and is far more plausible than the "inhospitality" theory.

"Violence-forcing sexual activity upon another-is the real point of this story," Mollenkott explains. Accord-ingly, homosexuality had nothing to do with Sodom’s destruction; had the attempted rape been heterosexual in nature, judgment would have fallen just the same. Violence, not homosexuality, was being punished when Sodom fell.

Response:

The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persua-sive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies, but her argument is weaken-ed by Professor Thomas Schmidt’s cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites ‘sexually promiscuous’ (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to ‘Sodom, which departed from the order of nature’ (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were ‘polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh’ (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.

Pro-Gay Argument #3:

The real sins of Sodom, according to Ezekiel 16:49, were that it was "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." These have nothing to do with homosexuality.

Response:

Again, the argument is partially true. When Sodom was destroyed, homosexuality was only a part—or symptom—of its wickedness. Romans Chapter One gives a similar illustration, describing the generally corrupt condition of humanity, while citing homosexuality as a symptom of that corruption. But Ezekiel also says of the Sodomites: "They were haughty and did detestable things before me" (16:50). The sexual nature of these "detestable" things is suggested in 2 Peter 2:6-7:

If he (God) condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men…

And again in Jude 7:

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Dr. Bruce Metzger of Princeton Theological Seminary mentions other references to Sodom’s sexual immorality in 3 Maccabees 2:5: "the people of Sodom who acted arrogantly, who were notorious for their vices." And again in Jubilees 16:6: "the uncleanness of the Sodomites."

The pro-gay interpretation of Sodom’s destruction has some merit: homosexual rape was attempted, and the Sodomites were certainly guilty of sins other than homosexuality. But in light of the number of men willing to join in the rape, and the many other references, both Biblical and extra-Biblical, to Sodom’s sexual sins, it is likely homosexuality was widely practiced among the Sodomites. It is also likely that the sin for which they are named was one of many reasons judgment finally fell on them.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

Freemasons are an infiltration group, particularly aimed at corrupting the churches. Don't take my word for it, listen to occultist Alice Bailey (1880-1949) who openly taught that Freemasons would infiltrate the church (false church)...

“There is no question therefore that the work to be done in familiarizing the general public with the nature of the Mysteries is of paramount importance at this time. These mysteries will be restored to outer expression through the medium of the Church [false church] and the Masonic Fraternity… When the Great One [Antichrist] comes with his disciples and initiates we shall have the restoration of the Mysteries and their exoteric presentation as a consequence of the first initiation.” [emphasis added]

SOURCE: "President Clinton Will Continue The New World Order"; Dennis L. Cuddy, RESEARCH MANUAL: AMERICA 2000/GOALS 2000, MOVING THE NATION EDUCATIONALLY TO A "NEW WORLD ORDER" Editor: James R. Patrick Citizens for Academic Excellence, 1994, 28-48.

Wowza, wowza, wowza! Did you get that? Alice Bailey said that the public needs to be familiarized with the ancient mysteries. AND THE CHURCHES ARE THEIR VEHICLE OF SUBVERSION!!!!!!!

Take a look on the back of any U.S. one dollar bill (see picture to left)! We are seeing the All Seeing Eye and The Great Pyramid (both displayed) everywhere these days! Now you know why! You are being familiarized with Satan's plot for world government, which began in the ancient religions. Why familiarize the public? It is because occultists are the custodians of world government and they now recognize that it is time to PREPARE THE WORLD to receive the soon coming man of sin, THE ANTICHRIST!!!

By “outer expression” she means literally that woefully ignorant churches will unknowingly help promote the New World Order. If you think it's not happening, consider that every Baptist church using the modern corrupt Bibles are pulling on the same rope as the Devil. Famous author Mark Twain rightly said, “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” One of the most difficult things to do in churches today is to wake people up to the reality that Satan has corrupted the Bible. It breaks my heart.

The average Christian sees that the new Bibles are much easier to understand compared to the King James Bible (so they think), and so they love the new versions; but they do not have enough spiritual perception to recognize that Satan has butchered the Bible doctrinally, weakening it, removing the word godhead completely, ruthlessly attacking the deity of Christ and rendering the Word of God without the authoritativeness that is maintained in the majestic King James Bible.

What many older Christians fail to understand is that baby believers are at the greatest risk. This is true of human life as well. Adults are aware and able to protect themselves, but little babies and small children are completely vulnerable. It's the same spiritually. For those Christians who grew up using the King James Bible and have been born-again for over 30 years like me, we can read the newer versions and it doesn't adversely affect us much because we have already learned the King James Bible.

However, for a new believer who gets saved today, and has never seen a King James Bible (and likely never will), they will never learn the following list of words, because they've ALL BEEN REMOVED from the NIV series. All of these words have been completely REMOVED (and this is only a partial list) from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. If you use the NIV series of corrupt Bibles, you will never read the word “Calvary,” and the classic hymn “At Calvary” won't make any sense anymore.

All these words are missing in the NIV and NIRV versions...

...Sodomite, regeneration, mercyseat, Calvary, remission, Jehovah, immutable, omnipotent, Comforter, Holy Ghost, Messiah, quickened, infallible, fornication, trucebreakers, winebibbers, carnal, slothful, unthankful, effeminate, backbiting, vanity, lasciviousness, whoredom, devils, Lucifer, damnation, brimstone, and the bottomless pit.

Should it be surprising in this sexually immoral generation of pleasure-seekers, that the following convicting words have been stricken from God's word: sodomite, fornication, whoredom, effeminate and lasciviousness. Should it be surprising in this generation of reprobates who will no longer endure sound doctrine (truth), that they've removed the words: devils, Lucifer, damnation, brimstone and the bottomless pit? The Holy Spirit is no longer the believer's Comforter. In the updated gender-neutral 2011 NIV (you don't want to offend those feminists and lesbians), the Holy Spirit is no longer masculine. Folks, what will it take to wake you up?

Every preacher and evangelist ought to be standing for the integrity of the Bible! I could name a hundred pastors who don't stand, amongst tens-of-thousands who won't! Wake up! Satan knows that if he can corrupt the Bible, then he can change our doctrines! I wouldn't give you a dime for a preacher who has been informed of the problem and then shirks it aside. I can respect a pastor who is ignorant of the matter, but I cannot respect any so-called man of God who has been shown what is wrong with the modern Bible versions and still chooses to keep using them. It is wickedness!

Andy Schlafly #fundie conservapedia.com

As of 2009, there was no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:[4]

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias. For example, the Living Bible translation has liberal evolutionary bias;[5] the widely used NIV translation has a pro-abortion bias.[6]
Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other feminist distortions; preserve many references to the unborn child (the NIV deletes these)
Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity;[7] the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[8]
Utilize Terms which better capture original intent: using powerful new conservative terms to capture better the original intent;[9] Defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words that have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".
Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction[10] by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[11] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census
Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
Exclude Later-Inserted Inauthentic Passages: excluding the interpolated passages that liberals commonly put their own spin on, such as the adulteress story
Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities.
Thus, a project began among editors at Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The translated Bible can be found here.

Benefits include:

mastery of the Bible, which is priceless
mastery of the English language, which is valuable
thorough understanding of the differences in Bible translations, particularly the historically important King James Version
benefiting from activity that no public school would ever allow; a Conservative Bible could become a text for public school courses
political issues can become a pathway to evangelizing liberals
liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds
this project has a unifying effect on various Christian denominations, and serves as an important counterweight to liberal efforts to divide conservative candidates based on religion

Matthew Gregory McLaughlin #fundie matthewgregorymclaughlin.wordpress.com

JEWISH CUSTOMS?

A sodomite activist has mockingly propounded what he calls the ‘Shellfish Suppression Act‘ as his scornful response to my initiative. To such an evil sodomite the pronouncement of God’s wrath against him and the entire society is just an occasion for ridicule and levity. It’s all a great big joke until the day of reckoning arrives.

“And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.” (Genesis 19:14)

Nevertheless, this might be a truly perplexing issue to some people. Some might wonder, “Why did Moses tell the Jews not to eat shellfish? (Leviticus 11). And if that prohibition was discarded in the New Testament (Acts 10:15), then can the prohibition against sodomy be made equally outdated?”

The explanation is simply that Moses’ law expressed two things: (1) Governing sinful people according to moral principles; and (2) providing special customs for the Jewish nation.

The moral code is innately written in man’s heart and conscience (Romans 2:15) from which all societies know and enforce Natural Law as a restraint against human evil (Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9-10). Thus when Moses announced moral laws, they were statements of eternal truth.

But God also decreed that the people of the earth should be separated from each other (Genesis 11:6-8; Deuteronomy 32:8) – and to that end all societies also retain particular customs which set them apart from other people. And so likewise, Moses commanded Jewish ceremonial customs for his people.

So although the Jewish customs that he gave are not necessarily applicable to other nations, nevertheless Moses did make clear those moral standards of human behaviour that do apply to all people and nations.

The sodomite who is mockingly proposing the outlawing of shellfish would be incensed if he watched his neighbour kill a stray cat and turn him into chop-suey. We consider eating cats and dogs to be abomination. In fact, California voters also made horse-meat consumption a crime under Proposition 6 in 1998.

The shellfish ban is part of the ceremonial customs of the Jewish people – but the prohibition against men fornicating with other men is part of the universal moral law – it is never okay in any country under any circumstances:

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13)

About five hundred years before Moses wrote the verse above, the men of Sodom were destroyed for violating it. They were already culpable for violating God’s natural laws for human procreation which have remained in existence from the moment man and woman were created upon the earth.

“But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” (Mark 10:6-9)

A TERRIBLE SIN.

According to God sodomy is one of the most wicked sins that a man can commit.

In fact, several of the great men of faith in the Bible committed terrible sins like murder (Ex. 2:12; 2 Sam. 12:9)- yet they were forgiven and used by God. But not so with sodomy – there isn’t a single example in scripture of a sodomite reforming his life and being used by God to do anything. Theoretically it’s possible (1 Corinthians 6:11), but every indication is that the sin is like a black-hole for those whom God has given up on (Romans 1:24,26).

To demonstrate just how incredibly wicked sodomites are from God’s viewpoint (Genesis 13:13), notice that when God burned all of them up, he saved out of their midst a man associated with rape and incest (Gen. 19:8; Gen 19:36; 2 Peter 2:7). Rape and incest occurs between a man and a woman – but sodomy is against nature. Yet to make it even more pronounced, God killed Lot’s wife for no other sin than just lingering behind and looking back toward that wicked city (Gen. 19:26).

The Bible says,

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.” (Ephesians 5:11-12)

LOT’S WIFE.

Jesus says, Remember Lot’s wife.“ (Luke 17:32). Have you obeyed that command?

The Sodomite Suppression Act is based upon the Bible. If the Bible is to be believed, then God will destroy California because of the sodomites in our midst. Are you with God and the Bible, or standing with Lot’s wife looking back with longing on all your friends in the city?

William Finck #racist #fundie #crackpot boards.christogenea.org

So we must ask, What spots and blemishes did Yahweh God create? What “cursed children” did God create? Some so-called Identity Christians insist that the non-White races are the “beasts” of God’s creation in Genesis chapter 1. But what people as beasts did God create which were “made to be taken and destroyed”, when everything that God created was good?

We posted a draft copy of this opinion in a certain Christian Identity group on Facebook, along with a link to the Christogenea podcasts from Pragmatic Genesis which discuss the non-Adamic races. Those programs discuss the points which we have already made here, along with many similar remarks concerning the other races which were made in the prophets and the writings of the apostles which support those same points. Then a certain woman, whose name we will withhold here, came back with a remark and said “So are you saying that Satan created the dark races? And what about Lucifer (Satan) didn't God created him to be the highest angel? But look… he is now God’s greatest adversary and will not be in the kingdom in the end days. The Bible says that God created all things and without Him nothing would exist?!?”

Aside from some of her silly Catholic ideas (such as using Lucifer as a proper name), which we had purposely overlooked, we replied and said “Right God created all things that were created. But God did not create bastards. We cannot blame God for our sin when we create bastards. we would ask you to listen to the podcasts. Wow, if we could prove all of this in a Facebook post, we would have done that.”

But this woman did not want to listen to any evidence, and that attitude is very common among Identity Christians. In some respects, they are more arrogant that most of the denominational Judeo-Christians, conceited and self-righteous with what little knowledge that they have, they imagine that there is nothing beyond what they think they know. So she responded “’Bastards’ are certainly a hybrid that God did not create. But you said above that God did not create the non-White races. But he certainly did. Genesis 2:19 clearly states… ‘And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field...’ End of discussion.”

End of discussion? So she actually thinks that we missed that verse? So she wants to chime in and make a decree in defense of the non-White races, and insist that the discussion must end there, in a group for which the explicit purpose is to discuss such things. Her arrogance escapes her, and her ignorance, so the conversation only got worse from there. A lot worse. But that we would be compelled to write about elsewhere.

We know it is a common belief in Christian Identity circles, that because all of the animals of God’s creation were presented to Adam, and we are told that no fitting wife was found among them, that there must have been potential two-legged animals among them, so therefore the other races must be the “beasts” that were presented to Adam. We ourselves believed that error at one time, until around 2005 when we wrote the Broken Cisterns essays, as it was taught by most of the elder Identity teachers. But now through much study, for some time we have understood it to be just that, an error.

It is sheer sophistry to insist that Adam was presented with the other races as “beasts”, when the Scripture at Genesis 2:19 also informs us that Adam was presented with cattle and birds as well, for the same reason that he was presented with the beasts. There were three categories in Genesis 2:19 representing “every living creature” which God had made. Those three categories are “every beast of the field”, “every fowl of the air”, and “all cattle”. So if cattle are a certain type of large animal, and fowl are birds, Adam did not find a wife among them, and they too must have been candidates. Therefore, “beast of the field” in this context must stand for every other animal which was not a large ruminant or a bird. That would include chipmunks and squirrels, lions and leopards, dogs and possums and racoons and all sorts of other animals. But it does not necessarily include any so-called “people” as beasts.

It is also absolute ignorance to believe that even if God did create some cognizant race as “beasts”, that any of the non-White races of today are representative of that original “beast” race, when there is no proof upholding such an idea and much historical proof to the contrary. The ultimate hypocrisy of the so-called Identity Christians who claim these things is to claim that these so-called other races are beasts in the Old Testament, and then to claim that they are men in the New Testament. We have seen and heard them do it with our own eyes and ears. That is also an element of universalism by the back door.

In order to understand what it is that Adam is being presented with and why, which we will call the antithesis, we must understand what the sin of the fallen angels was, which we will call the thesis. Yes, Genesis is the antithesis, because the sin of the fallen angels which is partially described in Revelation chapter 12 began before the creation of Adam, and that is why the serpent is the representative of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is also why in the Revelation a flood consisting of all the world’s non-Israelite nations is said to come out of the mouth of the serpent. The Book of Enoch, from the Dead Sea Scrolls, tells us a little about that tree. This is from a presentation of Luke chapter 4 given at Christogenea in June of 2012:

From a translation of the Qumran scrolls, The Dead Sea Scrolls, A New Translation by Michael Wise, Martin Abegg Jr. and Edward Cook, on page 247, a translation of 1Q23, fragments 1 and 6, which are unfortunately highly fragmented: “1 [... two hundred] 2 donkeys, two hundred asses, two hund[red ... rams of the] 3 flock, two hundred goats, two hundred [... beast of the] 4 field from every animal, from every [bird ...] 5 [...] for miscegenation [...]”. And in the same source, 4Q531, fragment 2: “1 [...] they defiled [...] 2 [... they begot] giants and monsters [...] 3 [...] they begot, and, behold, all [the earth was corrupted ...] 4 [...] with its blood and by the hand of [...] 5 [giants] which did not suffice for them and [...] 6 [...] and they were seeking to devour many […] 7 [...] 8 the monsters attacked it.” Again, 4Q532, Col. 2 fragments 1-6: “2 [...] flesh [...] 3 al[l ...] monsters [...] will be [...] 4 [...] they would arise [...] lacking in true knowledge [...] because [...] 5 [...] the earth [grew corrupt ...] mighty [...] 6 [...] they were considering [...] 7 [...] from the angels upon [...] 8 [...] in the end it will perish and die [...] 9 [...] they caused great corruption in the [earth ...] 10 [... this did not] suffice to [...] 11 they will be [...]”. While they are quite fragmentary, the general theme of these fragments from what is known as the Book of Giants is readily evident. A very similar version of what is related here is found in 1 Enoch, i.e. chapters 86 and 88. It is highly probable that accounts such as these were the inspiration for the ancient chimera myths of both Greek and Near East mythology. The offspring which resulted from the unions of diverse species are later called bastards, for instance in the Dead Sea Scroll labelled as 4Q204 which is reckoned among the Enoch literature, and their extermination is forecast where it says “Exterminate all the spirits of the bastards and the sons of the Watchers”, which seems to have been speaking prophetically and is speaking of the offspring of the fallen angels. In the end there are sheep, and everything else is a goat destined for the Lake of Fire where are Hell and Death and the False Prophet.
Evidently, there are two trees in the Garden of Eden which without a doubt represent people. They are the Tree of Life, Christ and His Adamic race, and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which are the fallen angels, as the serpent is directly linked to them in Revelation chapter 12 and Genesis chapter 3. They had the knowledge of good, and rebelling against God by corrupting His Creation they wandered off into the knowledge of evil. Among other things, the apostle Jude relates these fallen angels to Cain, to Sodom, to the error of Balaam and Balak who tried to get the children of Israel to race-mix, and he says of these fallen angels that they are bound in chains of darkness. They are not bound in darkness in chains, rather, they are bound in chains of darkness, which can only be an allegory for the dark bodies of their corrupted genetics. That is especially evident when everything else which Jude says about them is considered.

So the error of the fallen angels was to corrupt God’s creation, and race-mix even themselves. But the antithesis is this: when God created Adam He taught him the law of kind after kind, and that animals were not suitable mates for men. So his wife must be flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone. If one do not believe that White people could sink to the level of having sex with animals, one had better check the headlines because the stories we hear about are quite frequent. Sheep, horses, dogs, donkeys, there is nothing below a man when he rejects his God.

We have said this a thousand times. We must say it once more. There are two trees in the Garden, one of Life, and one of evil. And in the time of the end, there are only two sorts of people: sheep and goats, wheat and tares, good fish and bad. Cain is not the only corruption of the devil. There were many more before him, so there was an entire tree of good and evil which was already in the Garden when Adam was created. The tares were planted by the devil from the beginning, and all of the other races are bad in the end. Tares are not Jews only, but rather, tares are every plant which Yahweh did not plant. Unless one can show specifically where Yahweh created non-White races and they are called good, one is deceiving himself if he thinks that Yahweh created them at all.

If one chooses to dispute with this assessment, then please set forth two or three verses in Scripture by which we know with certainty that there should be other races of so-called people among us in these last days who are good. The Bible describes the aliens among us: in Deuteronomy it says that they will take our sons and daughters, and we will grieve but we will not be able to do a damned thing about it, because of our own disobedience. Since Christians are instructed to come out from among them, and be separate, not be joined to the impure, if we teach that these other races are somehow “good” then we further invite such punishment. Rather, the prophet Joel described these other races devouring our wealth and our children as locusts, caterpillars, palmerworms and cankerworms. That is how we should see the aliens consuming our wealth and our goods in all of the formerly Christian nations of today. That is the only Scriptural way in which these other races should be considered, as non-entities, because they shall prosper for a time, and then they shall be as though they had not been.

If one does not understand the things which we have said here, and refuses to go study the matter and either come to agree or produce the necessary evidence to correct us if we are wrong, then we are confident that such a person does indeed have some unseemly agenda.

We can also say this, because half of the people claiming to be Christian Identity already hate us, so it really does not matter if they hate us even more: Any so-called Identity Christian who maintains that Yahweh created the modern non-White races is a liar and a fool. Any so-called Identity Christian who maintains that Yahweh created the modern non-White races is a hypocrite and denies the very words of Yahshua Christ, who describes them as a flood coming from the mouth of the serpent. There are people born from above, and the only alternative is to be born from below. The non-White races must therefore be born from below, as they come from the mouth of the serpent, and not from the mouth of God. So the serpent is responsible for them, as the serpent is the corrupter of the Creation of God.

It is time that Identity Christians slam the back door shut in the face of such universalism.

We hear it all the time. Oh, we have no love, because we do not kiss the asses of men. Oh, we teach with hatred, because we tell them what we believe to be truth plainly and bluntly. Oh, we are mean and stubborn, because we are confident and unyielding. We hear the same old broken tunes all the time, and those who sing them never want to sit and address the issues like men.

So the people who say those things are only looking for excuses. Or being jealous for the lies they have clung to for so many years, rejecting the truth they want to keep others from hearing it as well.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Lauren Daigle: Critics of 'The Ellen DeGeneres Show' Appearance 'Completely Missed the Heart of God'

...The Christian artist appeared on the mainstream show Oct. 24 and received criticism on social media over her involvement. Most of the critics argued Daigle was wrong to appear on the show because Ellen is a lesbian.

“I think the second we start drawing lines around which people are able to be approached and which aren't, we've already completely missed the heart of God,” Daigle told WAY-FM Radio.

“I don't have all the answers in life and I'm definitely not gonna act like I do, but the one thing that I know for sure is I can't choose who I'm supposed to be kind to and who I'm supposed to show love to and who I'm not, because that's the mission right?" she continued. "Be who Christ was to everyone.”

SOURCE: https://www.christianpost.com/news/lauren-daigle-critics-ellen-degeneres-show-appearance-completely-missed-the-heart-of-god-228354/

First of all, Daigle is NO Christian! As I showed you earlier, nowhere in her vague testimony does she even mention the cross upon which Christ died. She doesn't mention the Gospel at all. No one has ever been saved apart from faith alone in the Gospel. That is, the Good News of Jesus Christ crucified to death on the cross, buried, and bodily risen the third day (1st Corinthians 15:1-6).

Second, Miss Daigle uses love as an excuse to show support for homosexuality. It is very wrong for any professed Christian to appear on a lesbian's show. By doing so, Lauren endorses the Ellen DeGeneres Show, which is why Ellen praised her. You see, the homosexual community want to be accepted by the Christian community in their unrepentant state, which is as evil as the sins of abortion or adultery. Homosexuality is a filthy deathstyle, against nature and gross sin! Albeit, I do believe that homosexuals CAN still be saved.

Third, it is utter wickedness and foolishness for Lauren to say that critics of her appearance on the Ellen DeGeneres Show
“Completely miss the heart of God.” What a sinful thing to say!!! No, Lauren Daigle doesn't know God! The God of the Holy Bible is a holy God, Who does not cater to sinners, does not hobnob with the world. What saith the Scripture? James 4:4, “Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.” According to the Scriptures, Miss Daigle is an ENEMY OF GOD! We all have our faults. We are all sinners. I do not condemn anybody. God's law in the Holy Bible condemns all humanity, which brings physical death (Romans 5:12), and then eternal damnation in Hell (Revelation 20:15)! Lauren is God's enemy, yet she falsely accuses faithful Christians of missing God's love. Lauren is either woefully or willfully ignorant of the Scriptures!!!

Lauren speaks as a fool, because she is one! She says the believer's “mission” is to love everyone, but the Bible never says that. Although it is true that a Christian who is right with God will love everyone, love does not allow sinful compromise! it is not love what Lauren is doing by promoting her music on a queer television show. In fact, she loves the world, not the Lord Jesus Christ! The Bible commands every believer not to love the world, nor the things in the world (1st John 2:15-17), but to come out from among them and be ye separate (2nd Corinthians 6:14-17). If Lauren wanted to appear on Ellen's ungodly show, she never should have defended her actions, which is why I wrote this article. We all do wrong sometimes, but I'm not going to make excuses for it!

What Lauren did was wrong, period. Ellen DeGeneres is an ungodly heathen who is married to another lesbian, living in open defiance against a holy God. Do you really think that ungodly people who masquerade as Christians, appearing on Ellen's show, is going to win the sodomites to Christ? Not a chance in a million!!! The world is becoming more churchy these days, because the churches are becoming so worldly. That is way Pastor Steven Furtick of the Elevation Church in North Carolina leads his congregation jamming to Joan Jett's infamous song, “I Love Rock N' Roll,” on his electric guitar. That is of the Devil! Worldly people love a worldly pastor and a worldly church, but that is not Bible Christianity!!! John 7:7, “The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.”

A believer who truly walks with God abides continually in the Word of God, which we have in the inspired King James Bible. These modern Bible versions are all of the Devil! And a believer who abides in God's Word and loves the Lord, hates evil. Psalms 97:10, “Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.”

I did not write and publish this article to be unkind, but to shed light on the truth that there is nothing even remotely Christian about Lauren Daigle's testimony as given to the Salvation Army (which I shared with you earlier). And also, to expose the lies of Lauren Daigle on the Ellen DeGeneres Show, denouncing those who rightly criticized her for appearing on Ellen's ungodly show. Miss DeGeneres is an ungodly icon in the ungodly homosexual community, who is relentless doing her best to promote the ungodly abomination of sodomy. I sound like Jude (read the book of Jude and see how many times he mentions the word “ungodly”).

Lauren Daigle is ungodly too! Her opinions as expressed on Ellen's show are totally worldly and unscriptural. Love speaks the truth! Pastor Steven Anderson is considered to be a hatemonger by the ungodly world, for denouncing the homosexual community. Although I know that God loves everyone, including unrepentant homosexuals, I also know that God equally hates all sin! God hates homosexuality! If God hates homos, then He also hates the gossiper, the adulterer, the covetous person, the drunkard and the unjust critic!

Old Man Montgomery #fundie oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com

[=Authors Note: For the sake of trimming, some of the Bible verses in the original page have been removed=]

From the website of ‘johnshore.com’

These were published and dated December 16, 2010. I have only recently become aware of this ‘movement’ via Facebook. (One never knows what one will find there.) These are referred to as the “Sixteen Tenets of ‘unfundamentalist Christians’ , known also or previously known as ‘ThruWay Christians’. Being the old-fashioned, hard-nosed Bible thumper that I am, I disagree with some facets of this and the conclusions of the entirety.

Of course I have reasons and those reasons are published below. Just for convenience, I numbered the statements, replacing what appeared in my copy as a paragraph ‘dot’.

Just for the record, as the article was dated December 16, 2010, it is entirely possible Mr. Shore has completely changed his mind and recanted this whole document. On the other hand, I just checked Mr. Shore’s last blog entry and he’s still pitching the “UnFund” theme.

Caution: If the reader is not a Christian believer, much of this discussion will seem pointless. Feel free to read on, but if you’re confused, don’t worry, it happens to lots of folks.

Here beings the tenets:

1. Jesus Christ was God incarnate. He performed miracles; as a means of providing for the irrevocable reconciliation of humankind to God he sacrificed himself on the cross; he rose from the dead; he left behind for the benefit of all people the totality of himself in the form of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

So far, I’m in agreement. Jesus is God incarnate; the ‘Son’ who is God Himself. Jesus was executed and killed (no alternatives) on a Roman cross under Roman law. Jesus’ death was the final sacrifice needed to atone for the sin of all people who appeal to Him for forgiveness. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day showing Himself to be God and giving a promise to all of an Eternal life in Heaven with Him. He sent the Third Person of the Godhead, the ‘Holy Spirit’ to believers after His ascension.

2. Christ and Christianity are meant to be understood, appreciated, and experienced as galvanizing inspirations for living a life of love, compassion, fairness, peace, and humility. Period.

Now we’re disagreeing. The primary purpose and function of Christianity is to repair the breach between God and mankind due to mankind’s rebellion and disobedience. Being forgiven by Jesus and redeemed by His sacrifice, mankind can have a direct and proper relationship with God. The qualities of love, compassion, fairness, peace and humility are by-products of that proper relationship, not the primary aim.

Am I splitting hairs here? Not as much as one might think; the matter becomes clearer as we proceed.

3. The Bible is a collection of a great many separate documents written by different people in different languages over thousands of years. Properly understanding both the letter and spirit of the Bible necessarily entails taking into account the historical and cultural contexts that so greatly inform so much of its text. The size, density, history and complexity of the Bible render unfeasible the idea that not one of its words reflects more man’s will than God’s. The spirit of God is inerrant; people—even those impassioned by the conviction that God is speaking directly to or through them—are not.

The one starts out well and descends into heresy. The Bible was written over a period of approximately 1500 years. The Books of Moses, the Torah – sometimes Pentateuch, was written in the period between the Exodus from Egypt, around 1400 B. C. to the time of the Babylonian Captivity, around 600 to 530 B. C. (give or take a decade or so.) The book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle was written around 90 A. D. The rest was written somewhere in between, with the possible exception of Job. Job was one of the earliest sections written and may predate Moses. The Bible was assuredly written by at least forty different authors. (For instance, the books of Judges, Kings and Chronicles were written over periods of time and one author could not have written them all; they require accounts from events several hundred years apart. The Torah was more than likely written by a number of scribes with Moses or a later, Babylonian scholar as ‘editor’ and having final input. Genesis is obviously based on oral traditions of the Israelite nation.) The books reflect social conventions and cultural coloring of the times involved.

However, it is the message of Almighty God to humanity. No matter how much a human can foul up, the integrity of the message is based on God’s ability to ensure His message is properly passed on. No human can foul up or outright lie good enough to defeat God’s purpose. So as much as mankind wrote the words on paper (papyrus or whatever), the ‘Word’ (Greek ‘logos’, meaning idea, identity or concept) is that of God. As such, it is inerrant in message.

The idea of the Bible being ‘written by man and therefore possibly distorted’ is an old heresy. It was argued about in the earliest councils trying to settle on the ‘Bible’ and is the basis for several cults who claim to be Christian, but rely on teachings of extra Biblical origin. The heresy also finds much favor among those who wish to discredit any one particular facet of Christian doctrine. Under any version, the idea the Bible isn’t correct means either God really doesn’t care about the message or God is incapable of protecting His own plan. Christians cannot in good faith (no pun intended) accept either alternative.

4. Anyone seeking to mix church and state has failed to understand the nature and proper role of either. Belief that all people are created equal and are deserving of equal protection under the law is foundational to all modern democratic nations. To incorporate the inherently exclusionary imperatives of a particular religion into the determinedly inclusive system of democracy would be to undermine the very spirit of democracy by pushing it toward a theocracy.

This is a pretty silly statement and is highly ignorant of history. The ‘foundational’ belief of people being created equal and deserving equal protection under law is uniquely derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition. It is not found in Islam, Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism or any of the other ‘religions’ of the world. It is Christianity that fostered Democracy, not Democracy that fostered Christianity.

Additionally, it was Christian believers and supporters who founded the United States as a nation with no state religion. The United States was not founded as a ‘Christian nation’, but was indeed begun as a ‘nation of Christians’. To pretend otherwise is to ignore history and to invite serious question as to the point of the discussion. One must also note that all movements to ‘remove’ the influence of Christianity from the United States and civil laws result in the promotion of either Secular Humanism or Islam.

There are no moral vacuums.

5. It’s not possible to read Paul’s New Testament writings and remain unmoved by his open heart, intellectual prowess, and staggering bravery. And yet Paul (who, after all, spent years zealously persecuting and having executed untold numbers of Christians) must remain to us a mortal man. More than reasonable, it is incumbent upon those who claim to seek the deepest knowledge of Christ to subject the words of Paul to the same kinds of objective analysis we would the words of any man daring to describe the qualities, purposes, and desires of God.

This is a gentle, lofty and seemingly reasonable attempt to undermine the message presented by God through Paul the Apostle. What this statement does is deny the Divine inspiration and authorship of the Bible as a whole. It returns to the fore in a moment with more of the ‘villify Paul’ agenda.

6. With regards to the written identity of God, the pronoun “he” is a necessity of the English language, not an actual anatomical designation. God is neither male nor female; God contains all of both.

Again, agreement. In Hebrew, just as in English, the male pronoun unless specifically intended refers to both male and female. Jesus says (John 4:23 and 24)“But a time is coming – and now is here – when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such people to be his worshipers. God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” Also one notes in Genesis (chapter one, verses 26 and 27)
“Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth.”
God created humankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them,
male and female he created them.

So, both male and female were (still are, more or less, being distorted from the original model by mankind’s disobedience) created in God’s image; which manifestly means not a physical image, but a mental and spiritual image.

7. The Biblical scholarship supporting the idea that Paul never wrote a word proscribing natural homosexuality is at least as credible and persuasive as the scholarship (if not typical Bible translations) claiming that he did. Any person who uses the words of Paul in the New Testament to “prove” that homosexuality is a sin against God has either never themselves researched the matter, or has simply chosen to believe one set of equal proofs over another. Though laziness is easily enough understood, we remain mystified as to why anyone who purports to follow Jesus would choose to condemn an entire population over choosing to obey Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself.

Here’s the follow up to point 5. Once Paul is ‘questionable’, the condemnation of homosexuality can be dismissed as a personal quirk, or possibly an outright error on the part of Christianity (on the whole).

Here’s the premise of the tenet: Paul either really didn’t mean what he wrote about the practice of homosexuality despite what is clearly written in the original Greek manuscripts and all subsequent translations of the Bible, or Paul was mistaken and therefore not inspired by God. What an amazing statement.

Either God inspired and authored the Bible or not. If one chooses to deny God’s inspiration in part, then the whole becomes suspect. If God was lax in allowing Paul to write and publish errors, then what of the rest of the Bible is trustworthy? Conversely, if God did in fact inspire and author the Bible, then Paul’s writing is equally trustworthy.

Leviticus 18
This entire section (several chapters) deals with sexual sins and prohibitions. In part (I have inserted whole paragraphs to present an in context view):
19 You must not approach a woman in her menstrual impurity to have sexual intercourse with her. 20 You must not have sexual intercourse with the wife of your fellow citizen to become unclean with her. 21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, so that you do not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord! 22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act. 23 You must not have sexual intercourse with any animal to become defiled with it, and a woman must not stand before an animal to have sexual intercourse with it; it is a perversion.
Leviticus 20
9 “‘If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He has cursed his
father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself. 10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father’s wife, he has exposed his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood guilt is on themselves. 13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no lewdness in your midst. 15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.

These two passages are from the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. One can argue these are part of the Jewish or Mosaic Law and are therefore obsolete; in that case, general adultery, incest and bestiality are also permitted along with homosexual conduct. Or is that the point?

First Timothy 1 (written by that suspect Paul fellow)

8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately, 9 realizing that law is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, perjurers – in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching. 11 This accords with the glorious gospel of the blessed God that was entrusted to me.

There is a note on the phrase ‘practicing homosexuals’ in verse 10 from the NET Bible: “…this term… ??se?????t?? states, “a male who engages in sexual activity w. a pers. of his own sex, pederast 1 Cor 6:9…of one who assumes the dominant role in same-sex activity, opp. µa?a???…1 Ti 1:10; Pol 5:3. Cp. Ro 1:27.” L&N 88.280 states, “a male partner in homosexual intercourse – ‘homosexual.’…It is possible that ??se?????t?? in certain contexts refers to the active male partner in homosexual intercourse in contrast with µa?a???, the passive male partner” (cf. 1 Cor 6:9). Since there is a distinction in contemporary usage between sexual orientation and actual behavior, the qualification “practicing” was supplied in the translation…”

First Corinthians 6 (also written by that questionable Paul)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This last passage strikes me an illuminating. Homosexuals are included in a list of sin categories which include heterosexual sexual sinners, idolaters, adulterers (distinct from ‘sexually immoral heterosexuals), thieves, greedy, drunkards, verbally abusive and swindlers. The phrase ‘verbally abusive’ is rather interesting. The NIV translates it as ‘slanderers’; I think ‘gossips’ might easily fit into the meaning. At any rate, people who say nasty things about others are lumped in with murderers, thieves and the sexually immoral (of any type).

The last verse in the paragraph implies a change of life in those reading the letter. “Some of you … lived… But you were washed… sanctified… justified…” So they were not just forgiven and allowed to continue; they changed their values and life-styles. The same implication applies to the sexually impure; they don’t do that sort of thing anymore; they avoid that sort of thing; they are ashamed of and denounce their own past behavior.

Therefore, the Old Testament writings prohibited homosexual conduct as does the writings of Paul, therefore the New Testament. The words used really do mean homosexual conduct and not just the generic ‘sexual misconduct’.

I’m really curious about the ‘equal scholarship’ which demonstrates what the Bible says isn’t what it means. I’d like to examine the line of thought and arguments.

The statement “…Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself” is incorrect and sloppy scholarship.

Matthew 22:
35 And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked him a question to test him: 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 Jesus 44 said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

This tenet goes past ‘unfundamentalism’ and is squarely non-Christian.

8. It is much more reasonable—and certainly more compassionate—to hold that throughout history God chose to introduce himself in different ways into different cultural streams than it is to believe that there is only one correct way to understand and worship God, and that the punishment for anyone who chooses any but that way is to spend all of eternity having the living flesh seared off of his or her bones.

More reasonable? By who’s standard? As a Christian, the only viewpoint that counts is God’s viewpoint. That ‘viewpoint’ is expressed in the Bible, which is – as noted prior – God’s message to humanity.

More compassionate? To whom? Not to mention under what definition of ‘compassion’? I find no compassion in patting someone in error on the head and say comforting words while allowing them to remain in error at the risk of Eternal Death.

So let’s go along with the idea of God introducing Himself into different cultural streams in different ways. Why would introduce Himself in a totally different manner if He’s the same, Eternal God? For instance, in the sub-continent which is now India, why would God decide not to be the Eternal God of Creation of the Jewish people, but instead be represented by a pantheon of conflicting gods which change over time? Why would Almighty God manifest Himself as the volcano god, demanding virgin sacrifices? Would God happily change Himself into the Great Green Arkleseizure of Viltvodle VI?

Is He still God? Is He bored and just experimenting? Can He not remember who He is, from epoch to epoch?

The idea appeals to the ‘open-minded’ who have no ideas about who God is, or what He should be or do. The concept flies in the face of the ultimate creator of the Universe and all things that exist, who is Eternal and changeless, who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. In other words, God.

Again, not just ‘unfundamentalist’, but not very good thinking and doctrinally non Christian.

9. “No one comes to the Father except through me” does not mean that in the afterlife only Christians can get into heaven. It means that Jesus/God decides who does and doesn’t make it in.

From this one is forced to believe Jesus will not judge between those who accept Him and those who don’t, but instead will judge by ad hoc rules of ‘good behavior’. I say ‘ad hoc’ because no such rules are outlined in the Bible.

All that stuff about believing in the Son and relying on Him in tenet 1 are out the window, then? It is good deeds that really make the difference?

This heresy is remarkably old as well. It predates Christianity, in fact.

Jesus mentioned this concept in Matthew Seven, starting with verse 15:
15 “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
24 “Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!”
So then, what about “… the one who does the will of my Father in heaven…”? John 15, starting with verse nine makes it clear:
9 “Just as the Father has loved me, I have also loved you; remain in my love. 10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. 11 I have told you these things so that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be complete.”

Nowhere in the Bible, nowhere in the quotations of Jesus, nowhere in the letters of the various apostles and elders in Jerusalem is any such doctrine mentioned or taught. In one setting (John 10:14-18), Jesus says,
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me – 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father – and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and one shepherd. 17 This is why the Father loves me – because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

Verse 16 is often used to ‘prove’ the heresy of various versions of God and or Jesus running about in human history, showing up in various forms and guises. One fellow seriously suggested it could indicate the existence of extra-terrestrial life. Actually, the statement simply indicates non-Jewish people were included. That’s all.

I personally don’t have any problem with extra-terrestrial life, or any of them being in Heaven. But it will be on the basis of an individual relationship with Jesus Christ.

I am also firmly convinced all the inhabitants of planet Earth will have adequate notice of the person and Deity of Jesus Christ. God is not the sort of being who looks for tiny excuses and ‘foot-faults’ to disqualify anyone from Heaven.

10. The question of whether or not hell is real is properly subsumed by the truth that a moment spent worrying if you’ll be with God in the afterlife is an opportunity missed to be with God in this life.

I agree. There is no point of wondering, let alone worrying, if Hell is real. Jesus talks about it too much to be in doubt. It isn’t pleasant, but it’s there. One is obliged to take note and do something to avoid residence.

11. God’s will and intention is to forgive and teach us, not to judge and punish us.

That is true, but only to a qualified extent. Jesus came to Earth as a mortal man to tell us what to do to avoid Eternal punishment and die in our place to pay the price for our sin. Obviously, God the Father was in on this plan as was the Holy Spirit.

God really does not want anyone to spend Eternity in Hell. However, since all mankind is in the default position of being in rebellion against God, mankind is by default condemned to Eternal Hell.

The words of Jesus in John, chapter three:
16 For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.
God is loving and concerned. God is simultaneously honest and just. God is God and that means – in a long list of other things – He will always conduct Himself as God and be true to His own nature.

There are also a number of references warning that when Jesus returns – ‘The Second Coming’ – He will in fact judge all people according to their alliances.

12. The only person who should be actively endeavoring to convert non-Christians into Christians is God. Jesus does not need our help drawing people towards him. He does need, or could certainly use, our help in making sure that people know that they are, just as they are, loved.

This statement directly contradicts the command of Jesus.

Matthew 28:16-20
16 So the eleven disciples went to Galilee to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age

Acts 1
6 So when they had gathered together, they began to ask him, “Lord, is this the time when you are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He told them, “You are not permitted to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.” 9 After he had said this, while they were watching, he was lifted up and a cloud hid him from their sight.

First Peter 3
15 But set Christ apart as Lord in your hearts and always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. (“Hope” here meaning the expectation of Eternal life with God.)

So in this statement again, the concept is not ‘un-fundamentalist’ but ‘un-Christian’.

13. Getting a divorce is painful, and if at all possible should certainly be avoided. But ultimately the act in and of itself is not immoral.

This statement flatly contradicts Jesus’ teaching on the subject.

Matthew 5
31 “It was said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a legal document.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19
3 Then some Pharisees came to him in order to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful to divorce a wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 Jesus said to them, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hard hearts, but from the beginning it was not this way. 9 Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery.” 10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the case of a husband with a wife, it is better not to marry!”11 He said to them, “Not everyone can accept this statement, except those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are some eunuchs who were that way from birth, and some who were made eunuchs by others, and some who became eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who is able to accept this should accept it.”

So yes, Jesus said divorce is an immoral act, save for the cause of adultery. Even then, the divorced man or woman is limited in options.

14. God does not want any woman “submitting” to anyone.

Another direct contradiction of Biblical teaching.

Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord, 23 because the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church – he himself being the savior of the body. 24 But as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her 26 to sanctify her by cleansing her with the washing of the water by the word, 27 so that he may present the church to himself as glorious – not having a stain or wrinkle, or any such blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In the same way husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

Colossians 3
18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them.

Oh, wait! That’s that questionable Paul again! Since Paul is so very questionable, we can ignore much of his writings – especially the parts about moral conduct, sexual misconduct and general carryings-on.

First Peter 3
1 In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, 2 when they see your pure and reverent conduct… like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. 7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

That’s the summation of Peter the Apostle. He agrees with Paul the suspect.

15. There were no dinosaurs on Noah’s ark; Jesus didn’t have a pet stegosaurus. An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.

Whooop! Whooop! Whooop! Strawman Alert!
So, just where do we find claims of dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark? Which gospel contains the story of Jesus and His pet stegosaurus? What kind of hairball ploy is this?

Okay, “An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.” That part is reasonable enough. However, this isn’t a matter of doctrinal distinction; it’s a matter of textual examination.

Dinosaurs on the Ark? Sheesh.

16. The single most telling indicator of a person’s moral character has nothing to do with how they define or worship God, and everything to do with how they treat others.

So, a relationship with God isn’t important; what is important is ‘good deeds’.

Actually, this is a deceptive argument; somewhat strawman in nature. I’ll agree one’s ‘moral character’ is not always dependent on how one defines or worships God. However, one’s moral character has nothing to do with one’s Eternal estate, being in a proper relationship with God and spending Eternity with God in Heaven.

One can be a rotten skunk and be bound for Heaven, or a very decent, clean, honest and honorable person going to Hell.

I know for a fact that my moral character was – for that matter ‘is’ – not always as good and shining as it ought to be. After becoming a Christian, I have sinned grievously, often and cheerfully. But my eternal destination is already secure and in Jesus’ care. As far as God is concerned in Judgment, I am as pure as Jesus.

Which is not to say I’m content in my life that way, or at peace with God. I found I was a jittery, angry, depressed, unsettled maniac; at least some combination of two or three of those. I can hide it well, but it’s there and I am very aware of it.

What happens is this: God works on me to make me into who – the type of person – He wants me to be, fit for Heaven in Eternity.

To conclude:

“Un-fundamentalists” accept the Deity, Sacrifice, Resurrection and Redemptive nature and power of Jesus Christ. However, they also believe God has appeared in other forms and guises, seemingly revealing other versions of Himself. So Jesus really isn’t uniquely God at all.

“Un-fundamentalists” deny the Divinely Inspired nature of the Bible, strip Paul’s writing of authority and accept homosexual misconduct – and by inference, heterosexual misconduct – as both normal and moral.

“Un-fundamentalists” claim the goal of Christianity is to live a good life; ‘good’ being defined by not offending anyone, getting along with all and ignoring Biblical principles if adherence would cause a row.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe Christians should not vote in accordance with Biblical principles. Nor should laws follow the long held traditions of either Judaism or Christianity.

“Un-fundamentalists” do not assume responsibility for evangelism; in fact, evangelism is discouraged.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe God never criticizes or judges human conduct. They believe there is no Hell. After all, God isn’t going to punish anyone for anything anyway.

All things considered, “Un-fundamentalist Christian” is not a properly descriptive phrase. Citing the serious theological and doctrinal differences between this cult and mainstream Christianity, I would suggest perhaps “Nearly Christian” would be a better description. Since the first tenet does recognize Jesus as God, perhaps “Barely Christian” would do.

Now, I know some bright soul is going to jump on me with the Biblical injunction of “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. The statement comes in Matthew 7, starting with the beginning of the chapter. The whole paragraph reads as follows:

1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. 3 Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? 5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces.

This whole speech is addressed at being judgmental of other people in regard to their fitness or standing before God. I am not ‘judging’ any person, but a set of beliefs and how they measure up to Christianity, I am not violating any injunction. Indeed, I am following a warning given by John the Revelator in First John 4:

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

So I am testing this ‘spirit’, this claim of revelation of God. I find interesting that tenet 1 claims to recognize Jesus as the Son of God in the Flesh, and then denies Jesus’ Deity in most of the subsequent tenets.

various religious leaders #fundie sltrib.com

Fundies object to being caught redefining words . . .

In the tug of war between religious freedom and nondiscrimination rights, the weight seems to be pulling toward the latter.

At least that's the view of 17 religious leaders — including LDS Church Presiding Bishop Gérald Caussé — who addressed their concerns with the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights' recent report in an Oct. 7 letter to President Barack Obama, House Speaker Paul Ryan and Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch.

The report, titled "Peaceful Coexistence: Reconciling Nondiscrimination Principles With Civil Liberties," comes down squarely on the side of civil liberties for individuals, the letter says, and "stigmatizes tens of millions of religious Americans, their communities, and their faith-based institutions, and threatens the religious freedom of all our citizens.


At issue, wrote the signers representing Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, black church and other institutions, are religious views on marriage, the family, contraception, abortion and "the source of human dignity."

Their letter cited as an example a statement by Commission Chairman Martin Castro, who wrote: "The phrases 'religious liberty' and 'religious freedom' will stand for nothing except hypocrisy so long as they remain code words for discrimination, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, Christian supremacy or any form of intolerance."

"No American citizen or institution [should] be labeled by their government as bigoted because of their religious views, and dismissed from the political life of our nation for holding those views," the letter declared. "And yet that is precisely what the Civil Rights Commission report does."

"The report adopts a stunted and distorted version of religious liberty, suggesting that claims of religious conscience are little more than a cloak for bigotry and hatred," Hatch said. "I reject the false picture of religious liberty presented."

Got Questions #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?"

Answer: The biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah is recorded in Genesis chapters 18-19. Genesis chapter 18 records the Lord and two angels coming to speak with Abraham. The Lord informed Abraham that "the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous" (Genesis 18:20). Verses 22-33 record Abraham pleading with the Lord to have mercy on Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham's nephew, Lot, and his family lived in Sodom.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them'" (Genesis 19:4–5). The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities..." (Genesis 19:24).

In light of the passage, the most common response to the question "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?" is that it was homosexuality. That is how the term "sodomy" came to be used to refer to anal sex between two men, whether consensual or forced. Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual gang rape on the two angels (who were disguised as men). At the same time, it is not biblical to say that homosexuality was the exclusive reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged.

Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..." The Hebrew word translated "detestable" refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an "abomination." Similarly, Jude 7 declares, "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.

Those who attempt to explain away the biblical condemnations of homosexuality claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable. There is probably nothing more inhospitable than homosexual gang rape. But to say God completely destroyed two cities and all their inhabitants for being inhospitable clearly misses the point. While Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many other horrendous sins, homosexuality was the reason God poured fiery sulfur on the cities, completely destroying them and all of their inhabitants. To this day, the area where Sodom and Gomorrah were located remains a desolate wasteland. Sodom and Gomorrah serve as a powerful example of how God feels about sin in general, and homosexuality specifically.

Patrick Scrivener #conspiracy reformation.org

British hegemony over Canada is a DISASTER for the entire world!!

The assassination of President Lincoln was an unmitigated DISASTER for the entire world. Had he lived, President Lincoln would have enforced the Monroe Doctrine.

This Scripture from the Prophet Isaiah would have been literally fulfilled:

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (Isaiah 2:4).
With the U.S. policing the New World . . . and the great Russian nation policing the Old . . . the nations would have been forced to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. The Republican form of government would have prevailed all over the world and monarchies would have been relegated to the bust bin of history . . . where they rightly belong.

There never would have been a Spanish-American War, a First World War, a Second World War, a Cold War, a Korean War, a Vietnam War, etc., etc. The number of men, women, and children killed in wars since 1865 is probably approaching 1 BILLION . . . and there is no end in sight!

Because of the unguarded 3,000 mile border between the U.S. and Canada, British spies are more ubiquitous than the plague of frogs on ancient Egypt:

And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt. (Exodus 8:6).

The Kennedys were very prominent Fenians or British spies who played a decisive role in the nation's history.

With the help of his father's Fenian millions, Jack Kennedy was "elected" President and inaugurated as the 35th President on January 20, 1961.

For a job well done in destroying President Lincoln's Republic, Senator Edward Kennedy was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II in 2009.

Unless it came with a flame-retardant suit, that pompous title is no good to him now.

The Pentagon–the standing British and Canadian army headquarters in Washington City–is also filled with Fenians.

Fenian general Martin Dempsey is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and reports to general Sir Peter Wall in London.

The U.S. State Department is also filled with Fenians . . . not to mention the U.S. Congres . . . and all other departments of the U.S. government

Virginia Armstrong - National Chairman of Court Watch #fundie eagleforum.org

Fact v. Fiction #2: Evolutionists claim that their battle against creation-science is primarily a "scientific" issue, not a constitutional question. But our treasured U. S. Constitution is written by persons and for persons. If man is an animal, the Constitution was written by animals and for animals. This preposterous conclusion destroys the Constitution. The Aguillard Humanists leave us with no Constitution and no constitutional rights of any kind if they allow us to teach only that man is an animal.

William Grimes #fundie conservatism.referata.com

The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is a liberal group of affiliated Baptist "churches." The SBC has weakened their stance on biblical inerrancy, and they have said that the Bible contains the Word of God, rather than actually being the Word of God. They do not believe in a literal Hell for unbelievers, and they have adopted such heresies as "once saved, always saved." This means that you can pray a "sinners prayer" as a "get out of Hell free" card.
The SBC believes that alcoholic beverages can be consumed in moderation, that papist Bible translations like the NIV and NKJV can be used, and that playing cards and other forms of gambling should be allowed based upon the individual consciences of the members.
Due to diluting truth with moral relativism and feel-good theology, and the lack of hard preaching in sermons, the SBC has taken over a large part of the Baptist movement in the US, and not just in the South: the SBC is even gaining a stronghold in Michigan!
First Corinthians 3:1-3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Good Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches provide the meat for grown men and women in Christ, while you can barely get any milk as a babe in Christ in the SBC.

Jon Davis #fundie youtube.com

(=Progressive vs Homophobic Christian=)

Jon Davis: Still missed it!! Jesus addressed this DIRECTLY. Right here!
Matthew 19:4-5
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’
One only need to reference THE DESIGN to understand THE PERVERSION.

blind poet38: Not necessarily true. Translated into English, the Bible condemns homosexuality. But looking at the original text, the Hebrew word that is used is very vague. And Jesus never said that gay people couldn't get married, but it was just God's design that they don't get married.

Jon Davis: "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable" is not a word, it is a description to eliminate the confusion.
Jesus didn't need to say that "gay people can't get married", he referenced the design and that settled it. One only need to reference THE DESIGN to understand THE PERVERSION.
Penis is designed for vagina. *blush* Vagina is for penis. *blush* Anus is for pooping. *pffrrt*
It's not homophobia. It's basic biology.

blind poet38: If it is basic biology, how is it that scientists have found over 1500 animal species that practice homosexual acts. You are just assuming homosexuality is a sin. But the Bible really does not say that. And I am a Christian by the way.

Jon Davis: It is basic biology because that is how we procreate, and to do things differently promotes bad health (bleeding butts anyone?) and is not conducive to humankind's continuity.
Animals do all kinds of disgusting things. Dogs eat poop. Cats pee on clothes. Are you just an animal? No. Mankind was made in God's image.
As for everything else you just said ("You are just assuming homosexuality is a sin" etc) you're obviously trolling. I just quoted the text that called it "detestable". And while neither Old nor New Testaments use the term "homosexual" (a term that modern English coined) they both describe the sexual act and describe it with disgust and contempt.

blind poet38: You can think I am trolling if you want to, but you have to understand that the original Hebrew uses terminology that is not as clear-cut as people think it is when it deals with condemning homosexuality.

Jon Davis: Read the OP. Matthew 19:4-5 has no dependency upon Leviticus 18:22; indeed it goes the other way around. You're barking at the wrong argument. I myself was trolled by actually responding to it.

blind poet38: Sorry dude, I don't get your point. All I am saying is that in the original Hebrew, the word that is used is not as clear-cut as people think it is to condemn homosexuality.

Jon Davis: Now you're spamming. Stop repeating yourself. Even if it was true, it's irrelevant, and I already explained why. Now go read Romans 1:18-32 (originated as Greek, not Hebrew), study it with an exhaustive study Bible which provides insight on the original language, and come back when you've studied more than the ridiculous false "truths" and FUD you've found on the Internet.

blind poet38: You can be dismissive all you want, and that is fine. But why is it irrelevant? We are talking about homosexuality and the Bible aren't we?

blind poet38: It is obvious you have no answers to anything. I have already done the research.

AskariStudios: But God Said that all sex outside of Marriage is wrong. Since Marriage is in between only a man and a women. this makes homosexuality wrong. in no way shap or form has marriage ben said to take place between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. ONLY a MAN and a Woman.this has been stated numerous times in the bible. Not only this but in Levitcus, it is clear stated that homosexuality is an abomination. clear cut. in Jude, it its written that Sodom and Gomorrah gave themselves up to sexual perversion (homosexuality) and where thus made an example of. So with Just Common Logic, and the fact that through multiple translations, the same wording has shown up., its clear that the bible is against homosexuality.

blind poet38: The Bible never says that sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Jon Davis: "Fornication" is quite elaborately spoken against. That you would say such a thing speaks volumes about modern society being so casually hedonistic; sex outside of marriage was universally taboo and expected to be everyone's struggle, it didn't need to be spelled out in detail like it spelled out homosexuality, it was simply referred to as "fornication".
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Fornication/
http://www.openbible.info/topics/fornication
http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-before-arriage.html

AskariStudios: 1 Cor 7 states : "Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: t“It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband." Its clear that Paul(I do believe he wrote this) implies that Sex before marriage is sexual immorality and that do to this temptation, a man should marry.
want more proof? look up : (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7) and Hebrews 13:4.

blind poet38: The only sexual sins that are mentioned in the Bible are adultery, incest and sex with animals. Fornication means "sexual sin." Which sins? Adultery, incest and sex with animals. Premarital sex is not mentioned as a sin.

Jon Davis: "Fornication" does not mean "sexual sins in general". It means "extramarital sex". If you want to discuss Greek or Hebrew, say so, but you didn't. Look up the word and stop speaking assertions about our English words when you don't even know your own English language.

blind poet38: Fornication does not mean "extramarital sex." That is what someone told you it means. Fornication means "sexual sin." Learn the facts.

Jon Davis: There's a fine line between idiocy and trolling. That line is knowledgable intent. I'm not sure what you're doing in your case. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fornication

blind poet38: OK Jon, you are right. Translated into English, premarital sex is a sin, despite the fact that Solomon and David and Samson, etc etc etc all did it and were never punished for it in the Bible. But the question is in the NT,, what does porneia mean? That is not the Greek word for adultery or any specific sexual sin. It generally means any kind of sexual immorality. And what is sexual immorality in the Bible? Adultery and incest and sex with animals.

Jon Davis: what do you mean "they weren't punished for it"? OT figures who engaged in fornication took a pounding for it. Most of their stories are used as case lessons for the hell people go through when they do it.
To answer your question: Fundamentally, in the Bible there are only two types of sex: sex within marriage (one man and one woman) and sexual immorality, porneia. Read the OP in this thread if you don't understand.

UltraCatholicAngloAmerican aka Jacob Harrison #fundie fandom-fanon.fandom.com

Hell

imageSouls burning in hell

Hell is a realm where Eru Illuvatar/God punishes unrepentant sinners in a lake of fire and brimestone. Since Illuvatar is an infinite and eternal being, knowingly sinning against him is an infinite crime so the punishment in hell is therefore eternal.

In hell, the damned feel 2 great pains. The first pain is the pain of the burning fire. The other pain that is even worse than the physical pain of the fire is eternal separation from God. There are multiple levels of hell depending on the severity of the sin committed. The edge of hell is where the least sinful sinners are. The closer to the center of hell, the hotter the fire is. The center of hell is where the greatest traitor in history, Judas Iscariot is. It is also where Illuvatar plans to send Morgoth/Satan after the Battle of Armageddon.

How to avoid Hell

Illuvatar loves mankind so much that he sent his son Jesus, The Christ to sacrifice himself for everyone’s sins so that they can be forgiven if they accept his son’s sacrifice and confess their sins to priests in his new church. The only exceptions are the souls of children below the age of reason and those who are ignorant of Christ or Catholicism but seek to follow the will of God in accordance with their understanding of it. The souls of baptized children below the age of reason go to heaven, while the souls of unbaptized children go to an alternate realm called Limbo. Since Christianity spread around the world, most people on Earth today are not ignorant of Christ.

You must therefore join the Catholic Church. If you are already baptized, then you need to confess all the mortal sins you remember committing to your priests. If you haven’t, then your baptism will cleanse you of the sins you committed prior to your baptism and then you will need to confess subsequent sins to your priests. During a pandemic, you can confess to God and make a resolution to confess to a priest once the pandemic is over.

Famous People in Hell

* The false prophet Muhammad.
* The heretic Martin Luther
* The false apostate King Henry VIII of England
* Voltaire
* Maximilian Robespierre
* Karl Marx
‘ Vladimir Lenin
* Adolf Hitler
* Mahatma Ghandi
* Joseph Stalin
* The heretic C.S. Lewis
* Mao Zedong
* Pol Pot
* Christopher Hitchens
* Osama Bin Laden
* The heretic Jack Chick
* The heretic Billy Graham
* Stephen Hawking

FinnishM91 #conspiracy youtube.com

You're an admitted victim of the? propaganda campaign aimed and instilling guilt amongst Whites, to feel bad for things that either didn't happen, are completely exaggerated and that you had no involvement in whatsoever. Grow up.

The liar, hypocrite, plagiarist, womanizer and communist sympathizer we all know as Martin Luther King. He was recorded the day before his assassination by the FBI saying the following "I'm not a negro tonight!" and "I'm fucking for God!"

YOUCITY #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

The DRUIDS are here

DRUIDS are MASTER POETS from IRELAND & SCOTTLAND

They are also the CHILDREN of the NEPHILIM

While the Cyborg President, Barack Obama, has held the White House for 8 years getting his freak on, IRISH and SCOTS have been quietly moved into all the top jobs of U.S. Global Strategy and Power. Obama’s senior national-security team has included Irish and Scots, Tom Donilon as national security adviser, John Brennan at the Central intelligence Agency (CIA), Chuck Hagel as U.S. Secretary of Defense; General Martin Dempsey as Joint Chiefs chairman; and Denis McDonough as White House Chief of Staff. The Irish and Scots include U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State John Kerry—an honorary Irish-American because of his last name, Catholic upbringing, and his Massachusetts political base as a senator.

DRUIDS worship TREES


HOLY-WOOD / CHRISTMAS TREES / TREE OF LIFE (KABBALAH) / BOHEMIAN GROVES

JESUS was crucified on a WOODEN (TREE) Cross when he was 33 years old

1/3 (33%) of GOD'S ANGELS were cast out of HEAVEN and fell to Earth at the 33rd parallel

JFK (IRISH) was killed on the 33rd parallel (Marilyn Monroe = MM/33)

The new Marilyn Manson (MM/33) video shows TRUMPS death , the title of the album is HOLY WOOD


Donald Trump's first wife was Marla MAPLES (TREE/DRUID) & MM/33 symbolism

Scorpion #fundie forums.tribulationforces.com

King James version is the most accurate version and best bible you can get on the planet today, if you have done your research about Satanism, Illuminati, NIV bibles and other phoney translations that are made solely to attack Gods word ... you will know why KJV is the most accurate... Guys this is God speaking to me today here, he confirms things to us in such wonderous ways, that sometimes ... Theres just no words to describe his wisdom and knowledge.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Out of Eden is a Hip-hop/ R&B/Gospel group of soul sisters who are actually sisters! Lisa Kimmey, Andrea Kimmey-Baca, and Danielle Kimmey. I think a more appropriate name for their group would be "OUT OF HELL." These women are imposters, exploiting the name of Jesus to make a fast buck. It is sad, and a clear sign of the apostate condition of America, when professed "Christians" act, dress, and sing just like the unsaved world. The idea that you can put improved lyrics to Satanic music, and then label it as "Christian" is wrong.

Also, look how these women are immodestly dressed. And who stands like that? The woman in the middle looks like she's having a problem or something. She looks like she needs a doctor. I'm not trying to be unkind, I am trying to make a good point—these so-called "Christian" women look and sing like heathens! The Bible, God's Word, states in no uncertain terms that we are to be separated from the Christ-rejecting world, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you" (2nd Corinthians 6:14,17).

Their songs have been used in many screen productions such as Eddie Murphy's "Dr. Doolittle," Christina Aguilera's Diary (a lesbian whore), and The Chris Rock Show. This is evidence enough of their worldly status. They also appeared on the primetime UPN show Moesha (starring Brandy) and have been featured in several major magazine features and cover stories. In the photo to the right, the two sisters on each end are sitting like tramps.

Is this how a Christian woman should sit, like dogs? Don't get mad at me, I have 2 dogs and that's how they sit. These girls are bad news, serving the Devil, and ought to be ashamed of themselves for posing in such a lewd and unladylike manner. It's not just marketing tactics—nudity and sexual advertising are demonic! Clearly, this album cover is sexually suggestive. It's disgusting in the name of morality!

Robert Lipsyte #fundie rationalreview.com


“Given the chance, I’d watch the Super Bowl with the Rev. Jerry Falwell, who knows about Baal and ball. Twenty years ago, in Lynchburg, Virginia, at a Liberty University Flames game, Dr. Falwell told me: ‘Jesus was no sissy. He was tough, he was a he-man. If he played football, you’d be slow getting up after he tackled you.’ He had me at “sissy.” The rest was revelation. The muscularity of Dr. Falwell’s evangelical Christianity was a perfect fit with football, another win-or-lose game. For Americans, war hasn’t produced a real winner for more than 60 years. That’s why we need football. But let’s get back to Dr. Falwell. … While we wait for his Holy Bowl to show us how to kick the other cheek, we do have the gospels, saints, and rituals of the Super Bowl, arguably the holiest day of the American calendar. Nothing in sports draws us together as surely — not elections, the Academy Awards, disasters, terrorist acts, or celebrity deaths. The Super Bowl is a melting pot hot enough for atheists, Sodomites, and Teletubbies to become one with the Saved, if only for a single Sunday.” (01/30/07)

GAY TRUTH blogspot #homophobia verygoodgaynews.blogspot.com

[=Authors note and context: This is from a blog that calls itself "GAY TRUTH" and claims to be about "Very Good Gay News" - it is in fact an anti-gay propaganda site. It's author(s) are unknown=]

A teacher claiming to be a Christian says Christian school asked her to quit for supporting homosexual fake marriage and being unable to support the school doctrine of faith and employment.

Rachel Colvin claiming to be a Christian who worked for Ballarat Christian College was asked to resign over her public beliefs about gay marriage which is in reality - homosexual fake marriage. 

Rachel Colvin in defiance to scripture is taking legal action against Ballarat Christian College, claiming she was forced to resign over her personal support for homosexual fake marriage while at the same time was unwilling to sign the school's code of conduct.

Rachel Colvin was an English teacher at Ballarat Christian College from 2008 until February 2019.  Colvin said that in August last year the school informed her she would no longer be offered certain teaching and professional development opportunities, despite her offer to keep silent about her personal and immoral support for fake homosexual marriage. She said she was required to attend counseling sessions with the head of teaching and school chaplain.

Colvin has lodged a discrimination case with the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal under the state’s Equal Opportunity Act 2010. The tribunal is yet to list the case for a directions date or hearing. A homosexual group is providing support to Colvin in pursuing the case.

“I loved my job. I am an extremely hard worker and loyal to a fault, and to have it end the way it did was, at first, professionally humiliating,” Colvin said in a statement. She ultimately humiliated herself claiming to be a Christian who does not follow God's word, make God the creator of sin, chooses to re-interpret all the homosexual passages that clearly state homosexuality is a sin, and then seeks to confuse young people by stating homosexuality is good.  

Rachel Colvin claiming to be a Christian demonstrates by her statements which clearly violate the word of God - that she is not a Christian:   

“I see it as a God-given opportunity to stand up for what is right, to represent what God is really about: loving others. They were created as they are, in the image of God, and that they are fully loved by God and share equal dignity with all human beings,” she said.Rachel Colvin position on homosexuality is simply wrong

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1–13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26–27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God does not create a person with homosexual desires.  Rachel Colvin is wrong. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24–27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.

However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 4:13).

The school correctly updated its constitution last year following the disputed legalising of fake homosexual marriage in 2017.

“God designed the two genders, male and female, for the purpose of joy and procreation within the sole relationship of marriage. So a marriage can only be between a male and a female, and upon this foundation alone should children be conceived and families formed,” the clause says.
While the Bible strongly condemns homosexuality, it never instructs that homosexuals are to be hated. As Christians, we are to speak out against the perversion of homosexual activity not support it, promote or even claim God loves it. 

The Bible is explicit in its condemnation of it, as well as God’s wrath towards those who practice such behavior. As Christians, we are called to clearly and lovingly call sin for what it is. Using the term homophobia to refer to anyone who opposes homosexuality is a distraction, not a valid argument or accurate representation. 

A Christian should have only one fear regarding homosexuals, the fear that they will suffer eternally because of their decision to reject the only means of salvation—the Lord Jesus Christ who offers the only hope for escape from a degrading and destructive lifestyle.

Rachel Colvin may have grown up in an evangelical Christian family in the US and may have served as a missionary, but has obviously strayed from scripture and God regardless of the claim to be a believer. 

She refused to support that statement of faith and should have voluntarily resigned rather than take her employer to Court. This clearly reflects the fact she is no longer a faithful follower of Christ based on her unbiblical statements. 

 Sex between two adult males was always considered abhorrent. For instance, St. Paul condemned men’s “indecent acts with other men” (Romans 1:27). He did not differentiate between pedophilia and adult homosexual acts; both were sinful sexual perversions in God’s eyes.

The biblical condemnation and rejection of homosexuality was not a novel idea introduced by St. Paul. Jude, the writer of the New Testament book that bears his name, told his readers that sexual immorality led God to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (Jude 7). And it may be that Jesus also had this sin in mind when he referred to God annihilating these two ancient cities (Matthew 11:23).


Christians are said to be homophobic simply because they condemn homosexual behavior as sin. But the fact is that the term homophobic is merely a word used by homosexual activists and supporters in their attempts to deflect a genuine criticism of an immoral and unhealthy practice. 

Without question, there are people and organizations who have developed irrational hate of homosexuals and who are prepared to use violent actions to inflict suffering upon homosexuals. 

However, the problem is that the homosexual-rights activists have accused anyone who opposes homosexuality of harboring similar hatred. Therefore, Christians who rightly discern that homosexuality is an unnatural sin are equated with violent lunatics who hate for hatred’s sake.

David W. Daniels #fundie chick.com

Right now, in almost any church you attend, something occurs that has rarely happened anywhere before the late 20th and early 21st century.

People use more than one Bible.

Rick Warren’s The Purpose Driven Life (2002) set the 21st century stage, using 15 different English translations and justifying it in an Appendix. He wrote, “…I have deliberately used paraphrases in order to help you see God’s truth in new, fresh ways. English-speaking people should thank God that we have so many different versions to use for devotional reading.”

15 different translations help you? You may find two or three synonyms, similar-meaning words, in a language, but 15? You’re going to have interpretations -people’s private commentaries— not translations. Want an example?

In Deuteronomy 23:18 God said, “Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow…” Sounds simple enough. The word “dog” (keleb) is translated “dog” all through the Old Testament. It means “dog,” plain and simple. But in modern versions, you get interpretations like these:

“male prostitute’s earnings” (in various forms, Holman Christian Standard, NIV, NRSV, NLT, NET, Common English Bible)

“the money given to one used for sex purposes in the worship of the gods” (Bible in Basic English)

This isn’t translating. This is interpreting. They placed their opinion into the text, instead of the words God preserved. A true translator won’t let his personal opinions or interpretations stop him from accurately transferring the Bible concept to the target language.

But most of those 15 Bibles don’t just have changed translations. They are also translated from a changed text. As it says in Did the Catholic Church Give Us the Bible?, historically there are two different streams of manuscripts. The northern, preserved, apostolic stream comes from Antioch, where the disciples were called Christians first (Acts 11:26). But the southern, polluted stream seeps out of Alexandria, Egypt, the home of apostate Jewish and Christian-sounding philosophers.

Scholars from the southern stream took out the words of God they disagreed with and inserted words that fit their opinions. And yet most modern Bibles come from that polluted southern stream.

Bible-believers from the northern stream faithfully passed down and accurately translated the original concepts into other languages, without inserting their own private interpretations. So then, these preserved words aligned with God’s standard.

All measuring tapes in the U.S. have to be calibrated against a standard, kept by the National Bureau of Standards. Jesus said His words would not pass away (Matt. 24:35). He left us a standard, so we can test all other “translations” and interpretations.

Remove Acts 8:37, and you take away words that refute infant baptism. Remove “yet” from John 7:8 and Jesus becomes a liar. Remove “without a cause” from Matthew 5:22 and Jesus becomes an angry sinner! See why we need a standard?

An article on Crosswalk.com entitled, “How Do I Find the Right Bible?” ends with the question: “What about you? Which translation of the Bible do you use?” Who cares? Many modern Bible teachers spend so much time talking about using the Bible that they forget the point is to believe the Bible! They can’t all, as one author claimed, “contain the life-giving words of God.”

God’s words do not contradict each other.

People use other Bibles but they do not believe them. How can they? They are constantly changed and disagree with each other in crucial places!

But thank God, we have His holy and preserved words in English, the King James Bible, straight from the northern stream. We can believe every word of our Bible.

It has never been a matter of which Bible we use. What matters is which Bible we believe. Whether we use one Bible or 15 from the southern, polluted stream, filled with men’s interpretations, we will only be deceiving ourselves.

Thomas Coy #fundie ex-gaytruth.com


Gay activists contend there are only seven scriptures that address homosexuality in the Bible and therefore homosexual behavior is insignificant in scripture. Gay activists also contend that theologians have misinterpreted the seven scriptures. The seven main scriptures are the Genesis account of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19), the Mosaic Law in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, the letter by Jude verse 7, and the Apostle Paul’s letters in Romans 1:26-7, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:9-10.
Gay activists like to point out that none of these scripture references are in the first four books of the New Testament that record the direct teachings of Jesus. The gay argument is that since Jesus never mentioned homosexual behavior, it should not be considered immoral. That argument lacks any merit when one realizes that Jesus never mentioned bestiality either (humans having sexual relations with animals – another aberrant sexual orientation). Using the same gay logic would imply that a human having sex with an animal is not immoral behavior. Bestiality is listed as a sin in the Mosaic Law right after male homosexuality in Leviticus 18:23. Male homosexual behavior and bestiality are the only immoral sexual behaviors listed in Leviticus 18 that include the adjectives of “detestable” and “perversion.” The gay insignificant argument also fails the test on the bestiality comparison because there are even less scriptures that address humans having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:22 explicitly states, “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable.” (NIV) Gay theology argues that the type of homosexual behavior condemned in Leviticus does not include homosexuals in loving and consensual relationships. This gay argument is also without merit when one studies the content of Leviticus 18. Most of Leviticus 18 condemns various close relative and incestuous heterosexual relationships. The author of Leviticus condemns fourteen heterosexual relationships between close relatives and no homosexual incestuous relationships. The obvious reason Leviticus 18 does not list homosexual close relative relationships is because verse 22 condemns all homosexual behavior.
Other arguments put forth by gay theology are that the word for homosexual has been misinterpreted in the passages of the Apostle Paul’s letters; God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah not because homosexual behavior was prevalent in those communities, but because its citizens were inhospitable and sought to rape the male visitors; and the close friendships between Jonathon and David in the Old Testament as well as Jesus and the Apostle John in the New Testament were actually homosexual relationships. The key to all these arguments is still found in Leviticus 18. If Leviticus 18 condemns all homosexual behavior, which I believe it clearly does, these other gay arguments have no foundation for their devious assertions.
Once homosexual behavior is established biblically as sexual immorality along with adultery, close family heterosexual relationships, and bestiality, a host of other biblical scriptures apply to homosexual behavior. The Apostles gave four firm requirements to the non-Jewish Christians in the early church, “to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” (Acts 15:20 NIV) The Apostle Paul wrote, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” (1 Corinthians 6:18 NIV) In his letter to the Ephesians Paul wrote, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.” (Ephesians 5:3 NIV) There are many other New Testament verses with similar instructions to avoid sexual immorality.

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I was discussing these issues on homosexuality with an independent filmmaker in Houston, when she said, “I don’t care if people engage in homosexual behavior in their private quarters.” I was taken back a bit, because I knew I did care and didn’t care at the same time. I was also unclear what she implied by her statement. I had to think that statement through, and out of that thought process came a good example of how Christians need to be prepared to intelligently address issues of homosexuality.
My confusion and a lot of the confusion on issues of homosexuality stem from the fact that in America’s structured society there are different spheres of authority where behavior is subject to scrutiny. I find three distinct spheres where society views homosexual behavior from different perspectives – a medical sphere, a civil law sphere, and a theological or moral sphere. As one who has studied all three of these spheres, I tend to view homosexual issues differently depending on which sphere of authority they pertain to.
To illustrate this concept I am going to give my viewpoints on the filmmakers comment from these three structural spheres. From a medical viewpoint I do not care if two or three or four people engage in consensual homosexual behavior in private quarters, although I have apprehension that they may harm themselves or others. Some of the people engaging in that behavior may have unhealed emotional wounds from their same-sex parent and the behavior might be an attempt to repair that wound. Some may be carrying a sexually transmitted disease. I am not their medical doctor, their psychologist, their psychiatrist, or their close relative, so medically it is none of my business, but as a Christian I should have enough compassion to not want to see these individuals get AIDS or continue in behavior that will deepen their emotional wounds.
From a civil law viewpoint consensual homosexual sex in private quarters is not an infraction of civil law, so from that viewpoint I have no reason to care if people engage in that type of behavior. Sodomy used to be illegal. When it was illegal one could have been concerned that this consensual behavior was breaking the law, and even now some believe that sodomy, like prostitution, should be against the law. On another level as a Christian I care greatly if the civil law tells school children that consensual homosexual relationships are as desirable as heterosexual relationships and equivalent to marriage between one man and one woman, because those types of laws intentionally oppose my Christian moral beliefs.
From a theological viewpoint Christians should be concerned for people who engage in consensual homosexual behavior, because according to biblical scripture it will keep them out of heaven. The Apostle Paul reiterates that warning in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. In direct contrast to the warning is the desire of God to not want “anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) Followers of God should not want anyone to perish either. For those who are not familiar with this Christian terminology and message, one inherits eternal life (heaven) with Jesus upon repentance of their sins, turning away from sinful behavior, and choosing to follow Jesus. When one refuses to repent of sinful behavior and disregard God’s promise through Jesus, they are destined to perish (hell). Jesus talked about heaven and hell many times referring to hell as a place “where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” To the Christian either heaven or hell represent each individuals eternal destiny.
The simple statement by the filmmaker had many interpretations and implications. For example, a moral liberal would state that they do not care if people engage in consensual homosexual sex in private quarters because they believe consensual homosexual sex is moral behavior. A libertarian could make the same statement and not care if the behavior was moral or immoral, because their main principle is personal freedom. A conservative could make the same statement also and in a mean spirited way imply that they don’t care if that person gets AIDS from their sexual behavior, because they are responsible for their own actions. A Christian could also make the same statement in a callous way and imply that they don’t care if people who engage in consensual homosexual behavior go to hell or get AIDS, because they deserve “the due penalty for their perversion.” (Romans 1:27)
As a Christian I do not identify with any of the four interpretations presented of the filmmakers statement. From my Christian viewpoint, although I agree American society gives people the civil right to engage in consensual homosexual sex in private places, I do care that people engage in this behavior, because ultimately I do not want them to go to hell or to harm themselves or to harm others.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

By God's grace and Holy Spirit leading, I invested over 50 hours into making the following simple film to honor, uphold and defend the inspiration of the precious King James Bible, gathering all the information I could find to archive it in one place...

THE BATTLE OF THE AGES (I made this 4:19 hour film last year upholding the King James Bible)

The apostate churches today are using the NIV, ESV, ERV, HCSB, GNB and other corrupt versions today, all make light of Bible inspiration, accept the heresy of Lordship Salvation, and are ecumenical as can be. God hasn't changed, nor have His Words changed in 2,000 years since completed with the writing of the book of Revelation in 96 AD. When I see a church supporting a dozen Bible versions, I know immediately that they are merely playing church, making money and the truth is not that important to them. Someone once asked me to summarize the Holy Bible in as few words as possible. That was easy, just one word—TRUTH. John 17:17, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”

And may I say to those of you who downplay the debate over Bible inspiration, as not being something worth dividing over—THE MEN WHO DENY THE INSPIRATION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO DENY IT!!!!!! Think about that!

Pam Stenzel & George Aulenbacher #fundie thinkprogress.org

A West Virginia high school student is filing an injunction against her principal, who she claims is threatening to punish her for speaking out against a factually inaccurate abstinence assembly at her school. Katelyn Campbell, who is the student body vice president at George Washington High School, alleges her principal threatened to call the college where she’s been accepted to report that she has “bad character.”

George Washington High School recently hosted a conservative speaker, Pam Stenzel, who travels around the country to advocate an abstinence-only approach to teen sexuality. Stenzel has a long history of using inflammatory rhetoric to convince young people that they will face dire consequences for becoming sexually active. At GW’s assembly, Stenzel allegedly told students that “if you take birth control, your mother probably hates you” and “I could look at any one of you in the eyes right now and tell if you’re going to be promiscuous.” She also asserted that condoms aren’t safe, and every instance of sexual contact will lead to a sexually transmitted infection.

Campbell refused to attend the assembly, which was funded by a conservative religious organization called “Believe in West Virginia” and advertised with fliers that proclaimed “God’s plan for sexual purity.” Instead, she filed a complaint with the ACLU and began to speak out about her objections to this type of school-sponsored event. Campbell called Stenzel’s presentation “slut shaming” and said that it made many students uncomfortable.

GW Principal George Aulenbacher, on the other hand, didn’t see anything wrong with hosting Stenzel. “The only way to guarantee safety is abstinence. Sometimes, that can be a touchy topic, but I was not offended by her,” he told the West Virginia Gazette last week.

But it didn’t end with a simple difference of opinion among Campbell and her principal. The high school senior alleges that Aulenbacher threatened to call Wellesley College, where Campbell has been accepted to study in the fall, after she spoke to the press about her objections to the assembly. According to Campbell, her principal said, “How would you feel if I called your college and told them what bad character you have and what a backstabber you are?” Campbell alleges that Aulenbacher continued to berate her in his office, eventually driving her to tears. “He threatened me and my future in order to put forth his own personal agenda and make teachers and students feel they cant speak up because of fear of retaliation,” she said of the incident.

Jim #sexist blog.jim.com

This is not going to turn into a game blog. Other men are much better at game than I am. I know, because I have seen them in action. On the other hand, I am not just an average f#@#!g chump. I clearly score more than the average f#@#!g chump, and fat and in my sixties I still score more than the average f#@#!g chump, though back when I was very fat, not so much.

I know a man half my age who was a male model and is a lot richer than I am. Girls stop and turn their heads when he walks through the mall. If he stands still, cute girls appear from nowhere and start conversations with him. But then nothing happens. Money and looks gets your foot in the door, but it does not get you laid. His problem is that he is far too nice.

Now a lot of readers of this blog seem to believe that nice, upper class girls, the girls that come from intact families, go to good universities and have supportive upper class fathers are not like that. Being a nice guy will, they think, get you a nice girl.

Bullshit.

The girl who started fucking at nine years old, jumped aboard more cocks than merry go round rides, mostly the cocks of criminals, and is still unmarried at thirty five because she is incapable of bonding with any man, is the girl who whose doting intact family spent a shitload of money getting her a good law degree from a good university. And this is precisely what evolutionary theory predicts. It is precisely the girl with the good family and a loving father who is disinclined to have sex with the nice guy. Nice guys have a way better shot with girls whose fathers have died or abandoned them. I have tried nice, and I have tried being an asshole, and nice gets mostly gold diggers and a few fatherless girls.

If you want a nice girl, be the bad man. The only society where nice guys get the girl is the society where the patriarch does not allow any non related males near his daughter except the man he has already decided will marry her. (And in such a society she will agree to marry him, because she wants to climb aboard the first plausibly high status cock that she meets, and her Dad treats him as high status and forces her to treat him as high status.) Ballroom dancing is pretty much a ritual to make the males look high status to the girls, so back in the day the system was a girl had a dance card filled out by her father, and was compelled to dance with everyone on the dance card, and be polite and respectful to him, and forbidden to dance with anyone not on the dance card.

But in a society where you can meet chicks without asking their dad to put you on their ballroom dance card, you need to treat chicks like dirt. And you especially need to treat them like trash if you want chicks from intact families who don’t have a number larger than your own.

One of my commenters told me that if I was dating much younger women, I was dating gold diggers. Yes, I have dated gold diggers, lots of gold diggers. But the trouble with gold diggers is that they want the gold, they don’t want to lay me. If I want to lay women, I get far better luck not giving them any gold, at least not until they have been having sex with me for a while without any indication of fidelity or financial support. I would be happy to date gold diggers if I got laid that way, but I don’t get laid that way – OK, I did get laid by one gold digger, but it was part of a plot to commit paternity fraud. Beta provider game just does not work. I know, because I have tried it extensively. You need a little bit of beta provider game, but it has to be part of asshole game, and you don’t turn on the beta provider game until after asshole game has succeeded. The chick needs to think that by laying you, serving you, and obeying you, then she reveals the soft nice guy inside your harsh exterior. Early niceness will lose the chick. Similarly, when you catch a fish, got to give it a hard jerk to set the hook. You let it run only after it is well and truly hooked. There comes a time in the relationship when you need to give her some beta provider game, or else you will lose her. But if you give her beta provider game too soon, too easily, or too much, you will also lose her, to someone who is a much bigger asshole than you are.

If you want a society where men act well, you need a society where men that act well get laid. Thus for civilization, must have patriarchy, and that patriarchy will be very forcefully resisted by women howling for their demon lover, and has to be very forcefully imposed on those women.

How forcefully? Well, England before 1810 or so was fairly successful at keeping women in line, and frequently deployed methods that would make the Taliban blush, methods that horrified the Victorians. We need to copy eighteenth century England, eighteenth century Virginia, and early nineteenth century Australia. The Old Testament gave women a legal status similar to that of modern day pets, and eighteenth century England was only marginally more progressive than Old Testament Israel. And to the extent that it was marginally more progressive than old Testament Israel, I would argue that this was a big mistake that led to the disaster we now suffer.

Giving women legal status similar to that of pets would have two effects: It would reward civilized behavior, and it would raise fertility to Timor Leste levels. Now some of my commenters are worried about white fertility. If whites were reproducing at Timor Leste levels, pretty soon we would need to conquer inferior races, take their land, and restrain them from reproducing. Oh the horror. Which reasoning seems scarcely different from the proposition that Europeans should restrain their reproduction so that we can benevolently rescue four billion African refugees over the next forty years.

Joe Bulter #fundie christianpost.com

The Bible is so clear to me that homosexuality is a sin, I don't see how anyone can argue in favor of same-sex relationships or marriages. The "gay" agenda in this world, especially America, is based on lies, distortions, changing the meaning of words, misusing words, false comparisons with other Biblical prohibitions (such as eating shellfish, which was made lawful in the New Testament), and any underhanded, devious methods possible. Same sex marriage is a Satanic counterfeit of God's plan. In fact, the father of lies has used counterfeit institutions, religion, inventions of men, philosophies, distraction, and many other methods to try to defeat Jesus Christ. That war has been won by Christ. Satan knows this, but will not give up until he has done all the damage he possibly can to try to thwart God's purposes for His creation. Keller is just a tool used by Satan for his purposes.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

Anton LaVey's 'The Satanic Bible,' is as much God's Word as the new Bible versions. I'm talking about the satanic New International Version (NIV). I'm talking about the demonic New King James Version (NKJV), which is translated from the same corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts as the NIV. I'm talking about the satanic English Standard Version (ESV). I'm talking about the satanic new work of darkness of the Southern Baptist Convention, aka, the 'Holman Christian Standard Bible' (HCSB). I'm talking about the New American Standard (NAS) and the Revised Standard Version (RSV).

I mean it when I say that Anton LaVey's 'The Satanic Bible,' is as much God's Word as the new Bible versions. THEY'RE ALL FROM HELL!!! We need to get rid of most of today's pastors and replace them with genuine men of God who elevate and prioritize THE TRUTH above everything else. I don't care how successful you think your big church is, you are a total failure in God's eyes and a very bad church if you use and support the modern Luciferian Bible versions. All modern versions come from a DIFFERENT Hebrew and Greek source than the King James Bible does. Here's a helpful chart of the origin of today's versions and the King James Bible. Bless God, there is only one good Bible in the English language available today, and that is the good ole King James Bible.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

One of the hardest things to stomach these days is churches that don't want the truth. IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE!!! In March of 2015, a shocking 20,562 Presbyterian ministers in 10,083 churches approved of sex perverts getting married. Those churches have abandoned the truth that homosexuality is a grievous sin in God's sight, punishable by death in Old Testament times. Prior to 1962, homosexuality was a punishable crime in all 50 states. What changed? I'll tell you, the U.S. Supreme Court removed and banned God's Holy Word and prayer from America's classrooms in 1962-1963.

I had once attended a pseudo (false) Independent Baptist church whose radio show promoted the saying, “GOD WANTS US TO SPEAK UP, BUT SATAN WANTS US TO SHUT UP!” Ironically, they (the pastors) called me into the church office and told me to SHUT UP about the purity of the King James Bible! They told me to SHUT UP about all the new corrupt Bible versions. They told me to SHUT UP about Dr. John MacArthur's heresy on the blood, who denies that Jesus' blood is in Heaven on the Mercy Seat. They told me to SHUT UP about Martin Luther, who taught sacramental salvation still 12 years after he allegedly got saved in 1517. They told me to SHUT UP about the satanic lie of Lordship Salvation. They told me to SHUT UP and not to expose Rick Warren, Billy Graham, Paul Washer, Ray Comfort, Charles Stanley, Beth Moore, Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, John Hagee, James Dobson and Jimmy Swagger's false teachings on salvation.

They told me to SHUT UP, accusing me of causing confusion and divisiveness in the church... FOR TELLING THE TRUTH!!! They wanted me to sit there in the pew each Sunday, sing and tithe, go through all the motions like a good puppet; while wearing a gag over my mouth, not being allowed to share fundamental Christian books with those sitting next to me, not permitted to share fundamental sermons with others. They called Dr. Jack Hyles “a cult” and said they forbade me from sharing Brother Hyles' sermons, especially anything proclaiming the exclusivity of the King James Bible. This is an Independent Baptist Church! What a crying shame. I literally left the so-called “church” in tears, realizing that I could not support such wickedness and apostasy.

They literally laughed in my face when I tried to hand them another copy of Dr. Al Lacy's awesome book, “NIV: THE ANTICHRIST'S BIBLE.” Isn't that something, professed men of God, pastors of a church, mocking and scorning THE TRUTH! It didn't come as a surprise that one of those shameful pastors boasted to me that he had recently attended a homosexual AWAB meeting. My, oh my! AWAB is of the Devil, straight out of the pits of Hell beneath. Our nation is going to Hell because our churches are going to Hell.

Literally, the heresy of Lordship Salvation is a false plan of salvation, which does not produce the new birth in Christ Jesus. The Apostle Peter preached the Gospel to Cornelius, and Cornelius believed and was saved. Peter did NOT tell Cornelius to do even one thing to be saved. NOTHING!!! Peter simply told the story of Jesus crucified on the cross and risen three days later. Cornelius believed the Gospel and was immediately saved. The lie of Lordship Salvation requires a high price to be saved. That's the satanic plan of salvation of Billy Graham, who says salvation will cost you a high price.

You cannot reason with the average pastor or Christian leader today concerning THE TRUTH. Heresies are creeping into our fundamental churches by the hour. The churches are boggled down with the heresy of Zionism (Pastor J. Vernon McGee refutes Zionism), worshipping the present-day apostate nation of secular Israel (MP3 by Dr. Texe Marrs exposing Zionism). Most believers, including Christian leaders, are woefully ignorant of the Holy Scriptures. From the government scandal of 501c3 state-licensed organizations, to the heresy of a Young Earth, the churches are being deceived.

Perhaps the most difficult truth to convince pastors of is that a diabolical New World Order exists. Most pastors actually think Islam was behind the 911 attacks, buying into the bogus official story hook, line and sinker. WAKE UP!!! The Illuminati (the Luciferian worshipping elite) masterminded, executed and orchestrated the 911 attacks (MP3 by 32-year New York City firefighter and police detective veteran, Rudy Dent) as a pretext to invade the Middle East and build a police state in the United States!

I hear pastors spewing hatred for Arabs and Muslims, while praising apostate Israel. The Jewish Talmud teaches that Jesus' mother was savagely raped by a Roman solider, denying the virgin birth. The Talmud says Jesus was boiled in human excrement and urine. Why don't pastors expose the Jewish religion of Judaism? Shameful Evangelist John Hagee is so corrupt and bought off by Zionists that he says Jews don't need to be born-again, because they are special and have their own covenant with God. However, Jesus warned Nicodemus (a religious leader) that unless a man (including every Jew) is born again, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (John 3:3). Dr. Hagee says that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. Jesus did in fact claim to be the Messiah to the Samaritan woman at the well. John 4:25-26, “The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.” John Hagee is a Zionist false prophet!

I am wearied with today's false churches. As long as the money is coming in, nearly all churches don't care about THE TRUTH. It is almost unheard of these days to hear a sermon on Hell, fire and damnation in a big mega-church. You'll never hear Joel Osteen preach on the Lake of Fire. That's how those groups got to be so big, by tickling people's ears and scratching their backs with weak-kneed sermonettes. Literally, America is dying because of the woeful lack of Bible-preaching.

There's nothing worse than a group of affluent people who horde a church like greedy dogs, like they own it instead of God. I wouldn't stay in a church for 5-minutes that is controlled by a board of directors and/or a pulpit committee, where the pastor is hen-pecked and not free to preach as he ought. Our churches are filled with self-righteous religious hypocrites, who are as phony as a 3-dollar-bill, haughty and arrogant, never having known the depths of sin nor the depths of God's love, grace and mercy. Thus, they are religious SNOBS! Truthfully, they are steeped in deep sin themselves (pride, arrogance, self-righteousness, hate, envy, gossip and judging), but they don't see it, unable to see the forest for the trees. Some of the rottenest people you'll meet are devout churchgoers. One day they're treating you like a brother, and when you fail to dot your i's and cross your t's (going along with their program), they treat you like they never knew you. That's the way many religions operate, and it is foreign to Biblical Christianity. The Bible does not teach anyone to join a religious denomination. A 501c3 business is not a church. What Is A Church?

I love a church that loves THE TRUTH! I love a church that has a bus ministry! I love a church that preaches, uses and promotes only the King James Bible. I love a church that fights against sin in their community. I love a church that stands against the Devil's corrupt Bible versions. I love a church that teaches women ought not wear pants. What a joke to hear a pastor teaching about a new form of modesty, while most of the women on church staff are wearing pants, and they think that is modesty because the pastor approves of it. What a sad joke! People are leaving the churches to find God and real Christianity. Most pastors are merely collecting a pay check. God give us some men of God, who are willing to work a secular job while pastoring, so he can preach THE TRUTH without worrying about getting paid. That's why Jesus said NO MAN can serve God and mammon (wealth). You must choose between money and God, it cannot be both. If money is a priority, truth will be compromised!

There's a lot of false Christianity in the world. If there's one place in all the world where THE TRUTH ought to be welcomed, it is in a New Testament Church. Tragically, most churches don't want to hear the truth, and so they reject it. GOD WANTS US TO SPEAK UP, BUT SATAN WANTS US TO SHUT UP! We'll, I'm speaking up for Jesus!!!!!!! You just keep using your counterfeit Bibles. You just keep promoting the satanic perversion of the plan of salvation, called, LORDSHIP SALVATION! You just keep promoting wolves in sheep's clothing like Rick Warren, Paul Washer, John MacArthur and Martin Luther. You just keep going along to get along with homosexuals, false prophets, reprobates and ecumenical devils. AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD! (Joshua 24:15).

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Born_Again_In_Jesus #fundie christianforums.com

[re: The Virginia State Seal showing a naked breast]

Naked breasts offend Jesus, since Eve committed the original sin, we must not gaze upon a woman as if to lust after her, and we must strike out all of the so called "ART" that glorifies nudity. The ancients knew this and created fig leaf covers for the statues that the pagan godless Romans had everywhere. We must continue to clean up Jesus' earth, and make it pure for his return.

Mike King #conspiracy tomatobubble.com

According to an account written by the drunken, cigar-chomping, terrorist scum-pig, Winston Churchill, it was during the 1943 Tehran Conference that "Uncle Joe" Stalin proposed executing 50,000 German staff officers after the war. American Gangster President Roosevelt then joked that 50,000 was too many; but that 49,000 would do! Though Churchill claims that the sick joking upset him (sure it did, Winnie -- sure it did), the murderous Allies were all in agreement that "trials" of Germany’s top leaders would take place after the war. And indeed they did.

Long before Nuremberg, the vicious Allies had already begun to systematically hang "Nazis" by the tens of thousands, including "female Nazis."

When the show trials began in late 1945, an 8-panel tribunal (The Nuremberg Trials) was seated (2 judges each from the US, UK, USSR, & France). The primary American judge was Francis Biddle, of the Biddle Family that spawned the 19th century American Central Bank Chairman and nemesis of Andrew Jackson, Nicholas Biddle. Honorable German leaders were condemned as “war criminals” by governments that not only imposed the war upon Germany, but also carried out the Hamburg, Dresden and Tokyo fire-bombings, the sinkings of the civilian Wilhelm Gustloff & the Goya ships in the frigid Baltic Sea, the forced return of Russian refugees & POWs to Stalin's vengeful henchmen, the starvation / disease murders of 1.5 million German POWs, the execution murders at Katyn Forest, the mass raping of German women, the dropping of atomic bombs and other real war crimes too numerous to list here.

Of the accused at Nuremberg, 11 were sentenced to hang, and 7 (including the peacemaking parachutist Rudolf Hess) received long or life prison terms. Herman Goering, Head of the Luftwaffe (Air Force) managed to cheat his executioners by taking poison in his jail cell (or was he "suicided" to duplicate The Book of Ester / Purim scenario?)

These were good men; noble men; peace-loving family men - ignobly murdered in cold blood for daring to protect Germany from the demonic henchmen of The New World Order crime syndicate. May they rest in Valhalla at the right hand of the even greater hero that they served.

Purim-style "justice." In the sickening Book of Ester (Old Testament), the lifeless bodies of the 10 sons of the "anti-Semite" Minister Haman (Hitler) were hanged and Haman's 1 daughter committed suicide. This Jewish "holiday" is celebrated every year as "Purim."

For the cruel and vindictive Allies, simple murder wasn’t enough. The executioners used a “short drop” instead of a neck-breaking “long drop”. The victims thus died a longer death due to strangulation. Additionally, the trapdoor was too small, such that several of the men suffered bleeding head injuries when they hit the sides of the trapdoor while falling. Adding final insult to injury, the bodies were cremated and scattered over a river, denying the families the right of burial.

The circumstances of the Nuremberg travesty have long been known to your humble author, as well as to many loyal readers of TomatoBubble.com. But what is new to Mike King & Sugar the Cat is the discovery of just how many prominent personages of that period so vehemently condemned the Nuremberg murder circus. Thanks to a book sent to me by a dear comrade-in-informational-arms down in Florida, we learned that several hundred prominent American and European political figures, writers, artists and military men were not only anti-Nuremberg, but also outspoken about it, both during and after the event. Naturally, the true story of the opposition to Nuremberg is one that has been buried by the whores and ignoramuses we refer to as "court historians".

The eye-opening book is entitled, 'Doenitz at Nuremberg: A Re-Appraisal'. It is not really a book in the conventional sense as it is a collection of the 'on the record' statements made by about 200 VIP's. For World War II truthers, the usefulness of the book lies in its ability to penetrate the thick skulls of our uninformed brethren who remain under the impression that Nuremberg was some sort of holy tribunal.

You see, when us "extremists" condemn the abomination of Nuremberg, we can be dismissed as "Nazi sympathizers" or "conspiracy theorists" or, that ultimate kiss-of-death, "anti-Semites" TM. But when we can demonstrate that big names, including many high-ranking American and European military brass, were disgusted by what happened at Nuremberg; it adds "credibility" to the revisionist case. Of course, it is tragic, pathetic really, that most people have to outsource their own God-given brains to "experts" with lots of "credentials" in order to arrive at an opinion; but 'it is what it is'.

Following is but a small sample of the 'big shots' that opposed Nuremberg; accompanied by snippets from their strong public statements.

Senator Robert Taft
"The trial of the vanquished by the victors cannot be impartial no matter how it is hedged ...About this whole judgement there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice."

Taylor Caldwell
"I have been boiling mad for years over the "war crimes trials" which I think were despicable and contemptible and smack more of ancient Rome's barbarians than of a so-called civilized society."

Justice Learned Hand
'I have always regarded the Nuremberg prosecutions as a step backward in international law and a precedent which will prove embarrassing in the future."

Admiral Stanton Merrill
"I consider the 'war crimes trials' in general and the trials of Admiral Doenitz in particular, a matter of mass hypocrisy resulting from a war-bred hangover."

Admiral Frederick Horne
"As it has been my belief that the after-war emotional hysteria was responsible for the trial and imprisonment of the German high-ranking military and naval officers,and that we should reflect with shame upon our efforts for revenge upon men doing what we would do for our own country, I am glad to have my name included in any effort to atone for the injustice done to Admiral Doenitz and to any others who were likewise unfairly treated because they loved their country."

Adolph Menjou
" I was appalled to see Soviet Russia judging when they themselves were guilty. I am happy to join my name to those attempting to make amends to Admiral Doenitz."

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Shut up St. Albert, you Stalin-loving piece of filth. Just shut the bloody hell up!

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Although I don't agree with all of his theological positions, the more I read the insightful writings of a dear saint named, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman (1921-2016), the more I love this courageous man!

Read for yourself my friend what Dr. Ruckman has to say about, what has become, one of the most dangerous institutions in American history—BOB JONES UNIVERSITY—and the incredible damage they have done to the cause of Jesus Christ! ...

“King James Onlyism” was a cliche (like “Ruckmanism”) invented by the faculty and staff of the school where I got my M.A. and Ph.D.: Bob Jones University in Greenville, S.C. After placing a hidden placard on the pulpit of their chapel platform saying, “Use only the King James Version from this pulpit,” and declaring at “The World Congress of Fundamentalism” (1990) that the only English version used there would have to be the King James Version, this desperate bunch of professional deceivers decided that “King James Onlyism” was a deadly heresy that came from a “cult.”

Bob Jones Jr. and Bob Jones III (1960-1980) thought it cute to add an “ism” on both the expressions above to scare Bible-believing Christians out of their faith in the Book. Then they would be accused of “following a man” and be identified with a “cult.” Very few Christians stopped to THINK for a moment about the innovative expression, for the only substitute for “King James Onlyism” for an American would be “SCHOLARSHIP ONLYISM.” I mean, a Christian is supposed to have some final authority by which he makes decisions and settles issues. If it was NOT the King James Bible, what would it be? Few American Christians stopped to think about this crucial question; and it was absolutely crucial, for it dealt with FINAL AUTHORITY which, from the dawn of recorded history (Gen. 3), has been THE ISSUE with mankind.

To cover up their devilment and their true designs, the apostates offered the Bible-believer a substitute for his Book. They offered him a pile of lost scattered pieces of paper (“original autographs”) written in a dead language that he could not understand unless he attended ($$$) a school like theirs ($$$). Thus “SCHOLARSHIP ONLYISM” became his substitute for the Holy Bible—the Authorized Version of the English Protestant Reformation. This threw the hat of final authority into the ring for “grabs,” because scholars vary from demoniac atheists and unsaved agnostics to Roman Catholic monks and Conservative “Evangelicals.” Final authority was reduced, by Bob Jones University, to opinions and preferences, with the arbitrator of conflicting opinions and preferences being the opinions and preferences of the scholars who conflicted with each other. Anarchy, Relativism, pragmatic humanism. (If you want some “isms,” there they are.)

This booklet shows you how the cult of “SCHOLARSHIP ONLYISM” operates (and has operated for one hundred years) in order to destroy the Holy Bible as the final authority in YOUR life. In this book, all of the conservative scholars assume the seat of final authority, and all sit in judgment on the BOOK. This Alexandrian Cult is composed of “gods” (Gen. 3) who partook of “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,” so they freely question what God said (Gen. 3:1), subtract from what He said (Gen. 3:2), and add to what He said (Gen. 3:3). Their final authority is their own opinion. This shows the FRUITS and RESULTS of this type of “Funnymentalism.” At the end of the book, “Scholarship Onlyism” is applied in a real situation, and you see it in actual operation as carried out by a saved “Fundamentalist.” Its fruits are one hundred percent error, while professing to have the ability to find error in ALL translations and ALL Greek texts.

SOURCE: Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, the introduction to his book, “King James Onlyism Verses Scholarship Onlyism.”

I HIGHLY encourage you, dear web reader, to read the entire 68-page book by Dr. Ruckman (.PDF format), and prepare to be angered at what Satan has done to infiltrate, corrupt and destroy America's churches through a bunch of self-styled, reprobate, cowardly, arrogant, mammon-loving, deeper-life, college professors and dried-up dead theologians, aka, the Bob Jones University, Dallas Theological Seminary, Faith Baptist Bible College And Theological Seminary, Moody Bible Institute, and HUNDREDS of other theological preacher's cemeteries! I SAID CEMETERIES!!! These institutions have betrayed the inspired Word of God.

“God has a special rebuke, again and again and again in the Bible,
toward those people who keep their neutrality in the work of God!”
—SOURCE: Pastor Jack Hyles (1926-2001), a quote from the needful and precious MP3 sermon titled: “Where Were You In The Battle?”

And I'm going to say it, I am leery of any preacher who denies the inspiration of the King James Bible. I cannot change how I feel and what I believe. I mean, there's just something very wrong with a preacher who thinks that God only inspired the original autographs, which NO LONGER EXIST! So if only the originals were given by inspiration, then we do not have a perfect Holy Bible today! I am not talking about The Book that someone thinks could have been translated better, I am talking about God's Word!

THE REAL BATTLE (MP3 by Dr. Jack Hyles: “Bob Jones... they make light on the verbal inspiration!”)

Psalms 119:140, “Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” Let me ask you an important question: “Would David have still loved God's Word with such passion had it been impure?”; not on your life! David loved God's words because they weren't just pure, they were VERY PURE!!!!!!! Folks, either we still have God's very pure words today in 2018, that He Promised to preserve unto every generation in Psalms 12:6-7 (if you have a reliable King James Bible), or we don't!!! Psalms12:6-7, “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” What does “them” refer to? Why, to the “pure words” in verse 6.

Now take a look at how the modern scholarship-produced perversions (100% sanctioned by Bob Jones University) all change God's promise in Psalms 12:6-7 to preserve His “very pure” words unto every generation. Here's a comparison of Psalms 12:6-7. Look how all of these new satanic Bible revisions totally butcher, change and remove God's PROMISE to preserve His Words. Instead of preserving God's “very pure” words, all the new versions change it to say that God preserves the saints instead...

King James Bible (KJB)
Psalms12:6-7, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

The Common English Bible (CEB)
Psalms 12:6-7, "The LORD's promises are pure, like silver that's been refined in an oven, purified seven times over! You, LORD, will keep us, protecting us from this generation forever."

The Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
Psalms 12:6-7, "The words of ADONAI are pure words, silver in a melting-pot set in the earth, refined and purified seven times over. You, ADONAI, protect us; guard us forever from this generation."

The Message Bible (MSG)
Psalm 12:6-7, "God's words are pure words, Pure silver words refined seven times In the fires of his word-kiln, Pure on earth as well as in heaven. God, keep us safe from their lies, From the wicked who stalk us with lies."

Good News Translation (GNT)
Psalm 12:6-7, "The wicked are everywhere, and everyone praises what is evil. Keep us always safe, O Lord, and preserve us from such people."

...AND ON THEY GO, THE NEW VERSIONS JUST KEEP COMING TO CORRUPT THE CHURCHES!!!

READ MORE: The Ugly Truth About Today's Bible Versions

Doesn't anyone have a problem with what I just showed you? I agree with Dr. Gail Riplinger that the men behind the modern corrupt Bibles are sincere, truly believing that they are doing something good; but Satan in very subtle and clever and is the driving force of darkness behind the entire Bible revision movement. You can hear Dr. Riplinger (I love this dear lady) talk about these things, and much more: NEW AGE BIBLE VERSIONS (a 1:23 hour MP3 interview with Dr. Gail Riplinger; You must hear this!).
“That book [King James Bible], sir, is the rock on which on republic rests.” —U.S. President Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)

Where is Hyles-Anderson College?

I know exactly how Peter Ruckman felt, because my own Bible college from which I earned my Bachelor's degree (HYLES-ANDERSON COLLEGE, 1985-1993) in Crownpoint, Indiana, has bailed-out of the battle for the inspiration of God's Word. By openly denying the inspiration of the King James Bible in 2008 (and since), one foolish man destroyed the lifetime work of Dr. Jack Hyles at the First Baptist Church of Hammond (FBCH), Indiana. Ecclesiastes 9:18, “Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.” First Baptist Church of Hammond (who owns Hyles-Anderson College) are AWOL from the battle. I'm sick of standing alone, but I WILL continue to do so by God's grace for as long as I can! I thank God for the few HAC graduates who do stand—I praise God for BOTH of you! Where are the 7,000? “It's Time To Come Out Of The Closet” (Dr. Jack Hyles; The Bible's under attack—where's the 7,000?).

Where Were You During The Battle? (MP3, Dr. Jack Hyles; The sin of neutrality in the Work of God!)

FBCH made a wonderful tribute online to honor Brother Hyles, but if FBCH really wants to honor Dr. Hyles, then why don't they uphold the truths that he so fervently fought to uphold? Folks, was Dr. Hyles a fool? Why is FBCH totally abandoning THE TRUTH that Dr. Hyles preached? There is a deafening silence heard from FBCH and HAC! Satanic Bible versions are flooding into the churches!!! What were those truths that Dr. Hyles thought were so important, which HE HIMSELF in 1994 called...

their number long before I did! I am so sick and tired of these neo-evangelical, dead, lukewarm, lifeless, fuddy-duddy churches today, like the Harvest Baptist Church on Guam! Did I mention that they forced me out and banned me from returning! Yes, it is true! Do you know why? It is because I AM RIGHT AND THEY ARE WRONG ON THE HOLY BIBLE. They are all shameful Bob Jones graduates! The truth hurts, don't it! I mean, I couldn't put it any simpler. This is what happens when light meets darkness, when a real Hyles-Anderson College graduate (back when HAC graduates still believed what Dr. Hyles actually taught) meets the neo-evangelical Bob Jones University camp!!! I wouldn't give you a dime for that mess at Bob Jones, nor their sorry graduates. What a shame to the cause of Christ. The gloves are off!
THE TRUTH MATTERS! THE TRUTH MATTERS! THE TRUTH MATTERS! THE TRUTH MATTERS! THE TRUTH MATTERS!

Ray Comfort #fundie facebook.com

“Hi Ray Comfort, can you please tell me how you would recommend witnessing to a close relative who is a very convinced atheist, and who is dying of cancer? Many thanks.” Delphine R. Noah

We will pray for him. Maybe he will read this:

It was early in the morning. Very early. Most people in the airport looked as though they could have done with an extra week or so in bed. I was flying back from New York to Los Angeles waiting to board a plane when a tall man asked me, “What rows did they call?” I answered, “First class… the rich folks.” He smiled and said, “Yeah. The ones who should be going on their own Learjet.” I handed him a Million Dollar Bill tract and said, “Here’s the down payment on your Learjet.” When he smiled, I passed him a Department of Annoyance tract, and said, “And here’s my card.” He turned it over and to my horror began to read out loud the gospel message on the back—despite the fact that the text was printed in reverse to give me getaway time. When I quickly added, “It’s a gospel tract,” he mumbled “I’m an atheist.”

While atheism is the ultimate intellectual suicide, I can understand why some people are tempted to believe that there’s no God. The previous night I had listened to a CNN report that scientists had discovered why human beings are more intelligent than animals. I was intrigued with their assumption, and listened to how scientists believed that 20 million years ago we developed larger brains. They predicted that the human brain will continue to grow, giving us larger heads. This will mean that future generations will see more Cesarean births. I admired the newscaster’s ability to remain straight-faced.

A few minutes later, CNN reported that after a giant tsunami in Southeast Asia killed multitudes, authorities could hardly find any animals that died in the flooding. They surmised that the animals had some sort of intelligence that caused them to move to higher ground when the tsunami-causing earthquake struck. It was human beings who stayed on the beach to take pictures of the wave as it approached.

As I stood in line at the airport, the morning newspaper showed a picture of a ten-year-old piece of grilled cheese sandwich which was said to bear the likeness of the Virgin Mary. It was sold on eBay to an “intelligent” human, who paid $28,000 for it.

It is information like this that should help anyone with any intelligence to realize that humanity isn’t as intelligent as we are led to believe. While most Christians are too smart to bite into the error of Virgin Mary toast, they profess a faith that makes no sense. While watching TV in my hotel room the night before, I saw a well-known pastor talk about his book, which has sold a phenomenal 20 million copies. He said that God’s agenda for humanity was to “make our lives better.” That was a summation of his message.

Tell that to those who were burying tens of thousands of human corpses after the tsunami hit. Tell that to the fathers who hold the dead bodies of their beloved children in their arms, or to the relatives of those who died of horrific diseases. It doesn’t take much intelligence to realize that if there is a God who created all things, He must be all-powerful. Nothing is impossible for Him. He therefore could have easily prevented unspeakable agony by simply lifting His finger off the earthquake button. But He didn’t.

Yes, there is plenty of evidence (from cheese sandwiches to tsunamis) for a thinking person to conclude that a God of love who is all-powerful and wants to better the life of humanity doesn’t exist. If He did, He would immediately get a supply of good food to the starving in Africa so that their lives may be better, or at least provide some rain to grow their crops.

During that same day the tsunami hit, 150,000 other people died around the world—about 40,000 of starvation. If He wanted to make our lives better, perhaps He could also halt the parade of killer hurricanes that line up to regularly devastate the U.S., or He could slow down the hundreds of terrifying tornadoes that take precious human lives each year. Maybe He could even whisper to us a cure for the cancers that are killing millions annually, including innocent children.

A quick look at Jeremiah 9:21-24 gives the answer to this intellectual dilemma. How could God be loving and yet allow suffering? The Bible tells us that He is in control, and that He does send judgments to this earth. God is love, but He’s also just and holy and if He gave us what we deserve, the tsunami of His holiness would sweep us all into Hell.

Imagine you have knowledge that a bridge has been washed out by a terrible storm, on a dark and moonless night. You stop all approaching cars and say, “The bridge that spans a thousand-foot chasm has been washed away! Please turn your vehicle around.” The violence of the storm itself is enough to convince any thinking driver that you are speaking the truth, and those who have the sense to believe you do turn around.

Tsunamis, terrible diseases, agonizing cancers, massive earthquakes, devastating tornadoes, killer hurricanes, awful suffering, and death itself are very real and violent storms that should be enough to convince any thinking person that our warning is true.

The message of Christianity isn’t one of God wanting to better this life for humanity. It is one of warning of a terrible fate in store for those who continue on the road of sin. We are told by God’s Word that there are two deaths on the highway to Hell. The first death is when we leave the storms of this life and pass into timeless eternity. The second death is the chasm of eternal damnation. It is the terrifying justice of a holy God.

So with the cheese sandwich insanity, and the confusion about the message of Christianity, I could sympathize with my atheist friend in the airport. When he professed atheism it gave me the opportunity to humbly cite my atheist credentials. I said, “I wrote a book called God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists: Proof the Atheist Doesn’t Exist.” Then I told him that I was a platform speaker at the American Atheists’ national convention in 2001. I offered, “It’s really easy to prove God’s existence.” He replied, “It’s not healthy for me to talk about God.” I said that I could understand that, and added, “But you are a reasonable and open-minded person, so you can listen to me for two minutes.”

He gave me the okay, so I told him how he could know for sure that God existed, that God had given him a conscience and that if he even lusted after a woman, Jesus said that he had committed adultery already with her in his heart. I also mentioned that if a criminal was given a death sentence and he said to the judge, “But I don’t believe in the electric chair,” it didn’t change reality.

He politely listened, and said, “Well, I’d better board the plane.” He reached out his hand, shook mine and said, “My name is Pat.” I told him my name, watched him board, and prayed that he would read the literature that he still held in his hand… and that he would have the intelligence to believe the words of warning.

One other thing. We know that God exists for the same reason we know when we look at a building, that a builder built it. Buildings don’t build themselves. And neither did creation (Nature) make itself. That is a scientific impossibility.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

The sad truth is that 95% of the churchgoers in America today only go to church for the sake of going to church. They don't really care about the truth. If their pastor(s) preaches heresy, they'll follow hook, line and sinker. This is why most of the churches support manmade heathen Israel today, idolizing wicked, Christ-rejecting, homosexual, blaspheming, unsaved Jews.

This is why such wicked churches use, promote and support the never-ending plethora of contaminated, uninspired, corrupted, Bible revisions straight from the Devil. I'm talking about all of the Westcott and Hort translations. I'm talking about the Satanic New International Version (NIV). I'm talking about the Satanic Easy-To-Read Version (ERV). I'm talking about the Satanic The Voice (VOICE). I'm talking about every Bible revision that removes the word “begotten” from John 3:16. I'm talking about every Bible revision that changes every mention of someone “worshipping” Jesus to a mere “bowed” or “knelt” (e.g., Matthew 8:2). Shame on the pastors today who cannot make up their mind concerning which Bible. God didn't author 139 Bibles, He only authored ONE BOOK!!! Something is very wrong with any professed man of God who preaches from multiple Bible versions. Talk about confusion!

Fundamentalist Christians will come out on top on judgment day. The Bible warns that there is no reward to the wicked. Proverbs 24:20, “For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.” I can't think of anything more evil, next to rejecting Christ as one's personal Savior, than to knowingly use, promote and support corrupt Bible revisions. The King James Bible is not a “version,” it is God's Word. I am hated by Baptist neo-evangelicals because I expose them, embarrassing them as they ought to be embarrassed. Wait until they stand before God. On that day, they will dip their heads in utter contempt and shame, as I hold my head high in confidence, knowing that I promoted the King James Bible and none other!!! They will look stupid as the Lord confirms the truth that only the King James Bible hasn't been tampered with, and all of the Alexandrian Bible translations are of the Devil. Those neo-evangelical pastors and religious con men will receive no rewards. There is no reward to the evil man!!!

A Berean #fundie rr-bb.com

Yoga is basically Hindu- eastern meditation form of demon worship. The New Testament is chock full of warnings from Paul, Peter and Jude about the Apostasy and falling away from the faith in the end times. As a parent, you need to inform yourself about what is happening rampantly today in the church, just as carefully as you would be diligent to keep poison out of the reach of your children. Spiritual poison has contaminated the Christian church , and it is happening at jet speed.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

On June 26, 2015 the Godless U.S. Supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriages are now legal in all 50 states. It is wickedness! It is a sad day in America! Proverb 29:2, “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” The truth is that most Americans are against same-sex unions, but heathen Freemasons, liberals and Communists have taken over our country, demoralizing our youth in an attempt to turn our land into a secular state completely devoid of God. This is necessary for the New World Order to succeed, because Christianity is the biggest enemy of evil. (And may I say, there is no such thing as a “homosexual marriage” in God's eyes, because two people of the same sex cannot consumate a marriage as male and female.) Homosexuality is a filthy abomination in the sight of God!!!

Born-again Christians are in a difficult position today in America. The more that our American culture deteriorates into wickedness and Godlessness, the greater the contrast between the wicked and the righteous. One of our text verses from Proverbs 29:27 teaches that the contention between the unjust and the just (i.e., the wicked and the righteous) is permanent. The apostate churches today that are approving same-sex marriages are wicked in God's eyes. The Bible says that the wicked are an abomination to the just. Religious people who accept the homosexual community are unrighteous themselves!!!

2nd Corinthians 6:14, “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” No Christian ought to ever sanction a same-sex marriage. It is evil. The Bible calls homosexuals “Sodomites,” linking the sin of homosexuality to the destruction which came upon Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 13:13, “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.” Genesis 19:24, “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” 1st Kings 14:24, “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.” Since two men cannot mate in normal fashion as a male and female, they have to SODOMIZE each other!!! Sodomy is truly a very risky perverted deathstyle that has been medically documented. ...

‘Gay’ Doctor, Stephen Goldstone: Anal Sex Like a ‘Battering Ram’ for which Your ‘Sphincter Is No Match’

Americans For Truth About Homosexuality
Monday, January 20th, 2014

Can you handle the truth about homo-sex? Most people can’t, because it is brutal (literally) and repulsive. Here is a quotation from Dr. Stephen Goldstone, an open homosexual and author of The Ins and Outs of Gay Sex. Dr. Goldstone is an Assistant Clinical Professor of Surgery at The Mount Sinai School of Medicine and an expert on “gay men’s health” and “anorectal disorders,” according to the (“gay”-affirming) Physicians Research Network [see their bio of Goldstone HERE]. This item is reprinted from 1999 issue of Lambda Report, the print predecessor to Americans For Truth.

As I wrote back then, “keep in mind that Goldstone is a ‘sex positive’ homosexuality advocate who dedicates his book to his [male] lover, Bruce.” Also, it seems obvious but it needs to be said: anal sex is also high-risk if practiced by heterosexuals [see this British web article and this interesting piece, "Women Are Having Anal Sex for All the Wrong Reasons"]. Tragically, pornography is helping to “mainstream” this destructive vice — which in saner times was described (by English jurist William Blackstone) as the “infamous crime against nature” – and “a subject the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature.” –Peter LaBarbera, AFTAH

READ MORE FOR UGLY TRUTH: http://americansfortruth.com/issues/gay-sex-health-risks/

In December of 1999 at Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in Chicago, I had my appendix removed. The surgeon made an incision about 4 inches long on my abdomen's right side. He performed a complex appendectomy, because he said my appendix was inverted and he couldn't find it when he cut into me. All of my blood vessels in my eyes had broken from the severe vomiting in the days before I knew what was wrong with my body. For 21 days (that's how long it took) the white area of my eyes were all red. My eyes looked really scary to say the least, with no white at all. For about 7-years I couldn't feel my nerves where the incision had been made. Touching the scar was like touching the table in front of me, no sensation at all. The nerves healed themselves (God is so amazing!), but it took about 7-years. So if you ever get surgery, your feeling where the surgery is done will come back, but it takes many years.

Anyway, the reason I am bringing this matter up is because the day after my surgery, the surgeon came to my hospital room to see how I was doing. We began talking and he shared with me a story about one of his patients, in which a homosexual's partner rammed a dildo so hard in his anus that he tore his intestines. The surgeon said that the homosexual man will have to wait about one month to get surgery, because they have to remove all the fecal matter from his intestinal area due to contamination before they can safely do the surgery. This is the type of horror stories that the homosexual community will never tell you... THE UGLY TRUTH!!! Homosexuals have no choice but to sodomize each other, which even the beasts of the field don't do to each other! And they call this LOVE? No my friend, it is sick perversion! Homosexuality is a choice, a sinful choice!

Truthfully, homosexuality is a filthy vile sin! Jude 1:7, “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.” God hates sin, all sin! God hates the perverted homosexual deathstyle, and so do I, and so should every born-again Christian who loves the Lord. Psalms 97:10, “Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.” Homosexuals, leftists and liberals are having a heyday right now since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex perversion.

In reality, the legalization of same-sex unions is nothing surprising for Christians, because we knew this would happen since 1963 when the U.S. Supreme Court banned God's Holy Bible and prayer from America's classrooms. Pedophilia is the next big trend coming to America. The fact of the matter is that sexual perverts are sexual perverts! We are already seeing the sexual exploitation of underaged girls in Dance Moms, music videos, Hollywood. It's only going to get much worse. The Godless social media, VH1, teen magazine, Walt Disney, television networks and Hollywood are going to keep pushing the moral boundaries toward the shocking, unthinkable, Satanic, taboo and freakish. Ah, but God is still on His throne!!! Let the heathen rage! Job 20:5, “That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Psalms 37:13, “ The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.” There is no true lasting victory for godless sinners! Isaiah 57:21, “There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.”

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Mardi Gras is one of the most despicable and sinful celebrations in the world! Although originally began as a religious holiday (holy-day), it's one of the most pagan celebrations existing today. Droves of lesbians, whoremongers, and Sodomites creep into New Orleans every February to participate in this apostate godless event. Woe unto New Orleans! Woe unto Las Vegas! Woe unto America! God's longsuffering will not hold out forever. Judgment day is coming!

Mardi Gras glamorizes the homosexual lifestyle. There are several homosexual websites dedicated just to the Mardi Gras celebration each year in New Orleans. Mardi Gras is one of the most popular homosexual celebrations of the year in America. Ironically, it's also a religious holiday. By the way, Mardi Gras celebrations are held worldwide, not just in New Orleans--all centered around the sins of nudity, lust, lasciviousness, fornication, adultery, gambling, prostitution, drunkenness, homosexuality, witchcraft, idolatry, etc. Mardi Gras is all about homosexuality and nakedness. If you go to a Mardi Gras festival, you WILL see complete nudity and homosexuality. You will encounter drunkards everywhere, and random fights breaking out. Some people even die. Jesus said He came to heal the sick (Matthew 9:12), and Mardi Gras festivals are some of the sickest places on earth.

Matthew Gregory McLaughlin #fundie matthewgregorymclaughlin.wordpress.com

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BROKEN REEDS.

Stoning Sodomites with bullets is way too biblical for today’s self-professed champions of ‘moral-values’. While eagerly seeking donations from Bible-believing Christians, many are actually ashamed of the Bible.

“Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” (Mark 8:38)

Two so-called ‘Christian’ organizations that condemned the Sodomite Suppression Act are Save California and Pacific Justice Institute. Both refused to acknowledge the following:

1. God’s word says sodomy is a crime that deserves death (Romans 1:32); and

2. God will destroy nations that tolerate sodomites (2 Peter 2:6).

Both groups condemned the Sodomite Suppression Act without making any reference to those truths. In fact, both organizations officially voiced the exact opposite position, to wit:

1. Sodomites do not deserve death, and

2. We must live with sodomites in mutual tolerance.

What a shameful capitulation to the sodomites. Both those organizations now have their share of culpability in the deaths of all the people of the State of California who are surely going to be killed by God’s wrath.

“When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.” (Ezekiel 3:18)

CAN WE JUDGE? DEATH PENALTY?

A bewildering ‘Christian’ response to the Sodomite Suppression Act has come from those who seem to think that it dispatches souls into hell. They must think this is the case because they have objected to it by saying such odd things as, ‘Christ wants to save everybody‘ and ‘we are all sinners in need of forgiveness‘ and so forth.

Those are theological statements that pertain to the salvation of souls. They are inapplicable to the operation of a human criminal justice system so they are not valid objections to the Sodomite Suppression Act .

Those who engage in sodomy deserve death, just like those who commit any other capital crime. We can hope that criminals will get their souls saved, but even if they do, it doesn’t relieve them from the necessity of paying the penalty for their crimes.

This is common sense and good judgement. It is quite unfortunate that some mushy-headed Christians resist it, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 4).

St Paul approved of the death penalty when he said, “For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die…” (Acts 25:11).

He also described the death penalty as being one of the essential duties of government:

“For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil…. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” (Romans 13:3-4)

Please again note the distinctions between different sorts of judgements. The teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ pertain to lofty principles of heavenly righteousness and teach us to be kind and forgiving in personal dealings with our neighbours. Christ’s teachings occur between individuals and God’s judgement of the heart. These things are a quite different subject matter than Moses’ law which was the legal system governing the Jewish people.

Compared to God’s own perfect righteousness we all fall short and have no basis to think ourselves worthy to judge other men’s souls; yet this objection is inapplicable to civil magistrates in the performance of their earthly duties in which they must judge criminals and punish wickedness in the name of the law.

You may turn the other cheek and nobly forgive personal slights, but a government that turns the other cheek to let criminals go free is neither pious nor holy – it is devilish.

“¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:17-19)

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet… Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” (Romans 1:26-27, 32)

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

This is just sickening folks. Some apostate Bible publisher thought they'd cash in big by marketing The Martin Luther King Remembrance Edition Bible. It is a trustworthy King James Version, which makes it even more insulting to God. How dare anyone exploit the Word of God to honor such a wicked, Christ-rejecting, unrepentant man as Martin Luther King. Few American realize that Martin Luther King Jr. was a Communist, involved in at least 60 known Communist front organizations.

Martin Luther King was an unsaved heretic, who openly denied the Virgin Birth, the Bodily Resurrection and the Deity of Jesus Christ. These are all fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith. You can read King's very own blasphemous writings in The Papers of Martin Luther King Jr. If king is to be honored, then why not publish The Adolf Hitler Remembrance Edition while you're at it? . . . or The Hugh Hefner Remembrance Edition?

One of the saddest days in American history was when a holiday was established to honor Martin Luther King. Why would the American people want to honor a Communist? In case you didn't know, Communism is synonymous with moral decay and subversion, which explains why abortionists, homosexuals and feminists have all made King an icon. King's widow, Coretta Scott King, spent the remaining years of her life advocating rights for homosexuals. Real Christian huh?

Linda Wall #fundie barbwire.com

Over thirty-three years ago God called me out of the darkness of homosexuality into His marvelous light.

Thirty-three years ago I sat on a couch in the home of some Virginia Beach school teachers turning down an invitation to attend a wedding in Vermont. Even in my lost state I knew deep down inside of me that marriage was holy and it was not a place two men or two women should go.

Yet, here we are thirty-three years later with men marrying men and women marrying women being the law of the land. Although I saw it coming, I still want to vomit every time I am reminded of this abomination.

Did I say abomination? Absolutely! If the Creator calls it abomination, then I have a right, I have a commitment to Him to call it the same.

On Sunday after the abominable ruling by the five unelected judges in black robes, I intentionally listened to three different preachers to see how they handled this new law redefining the Holy God’s definition of marriage.

My observation resulted in one thought: “no wonder this Judeo-Christian nation has fallen into the hands of the Sodomites!”

Not one of the three preachers called this moment in time abominable.

As a matter of fact, all three played the “politically correct” card and tiptoed about the matter. Two served their congregation the “sweet message of everything is ok, God is on the throne.” And the third led a “pep rally”, “Jesus is coming back any day now to get us.” I wanted to barf at all three.

Too many American Christians have thrown one half of the Holy Word of God away; the Old Testament. They operate in a mind set of “come to Jesus and all will be well. Eat, drink and be merry because tomorrow we are flying out of here.”

There is no mention of judgment. There is no mention of sin. There is no mention of repentance.

What I should have seen in the three sanctuaries were people on their knees and faces weeping before the Lord and repenting of the sins of the Church and calling on God to deliver us from this abominable evil that He has allowed to come upon our nation.

May the Remnant hide in the shadow of the Almighty and not be afraid to call abominable what is abominable.

May the judgment of God fall upon the wicked who have devoured the nation and may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be glorified upon the earth again.

David J. Stewart #fundie #sexist #homophobia soulwinning.info

If I had been a big tither, the pastors of Harvest would have tolerated me, guaranteed! But I am just a nobody. As a TRUE FRIEND, I gave THE TRUTH to Harvest's pastors, but they love MONEY and not THE TRUTH. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON HARVEST BAPTIST CHURCH ON GUAM! All I ever requested was to attend church, but they are wicked. Harvest abandoned me in 2015, forgetting about me, but I still desperately needed their love and help. Their incompetent pastors were either too immature or too selfish to care. You can't just butter people up while they're in your church, and then totally abandon them on a whim, after you force them out for being King James Bible only. The thing is that I begged their pastors to come back, and they coldly turned me down. What man of God does that to a hurting sinner? Sadly, the pastorate in America today has become a profession instead of a calling. That is why we are horrified to see women, atheists and homosexuals being ordained and hired to pastor churches!

Harvest Baptist Church Are Guilty of Emotionally Using and Abusing Me

In 2014 I attended Harvest Baptist Church on Guam for one year. I hadn't been so happy in a long time, but I made a fatal mistake—I TOLD THE TRUTH! As a caring friend, I bought some books with my own money, and gave them to the numerous pastors at Harvest, especially the senior pastor, because I heard him teaching Lordship Damnation. They couldn't have cared less, but worse, they wrongfully ACCUSED ME of causing “confusion” and “divisiveness” in the church. That was emotional abuse! Instead of appreciating that I was trying to be helpful, they abused me with their words, calling me “a cult” for being King James Bible only. What happened to the love? I have three dozen more articles that I am working on, exposing Harvest's apostasy!

Bob Jones University (BJU) has made national headlines for ignoring the pleas of rape victims asking for the institution's help. Just as the rape victims were ignored at BJU, who told THE TRUTH, my pleas concerning THE TRUTH about the corrupt modern Bible revisions were ignored at HBC. My desperate please regarding the Devil's lie of Lordship Salvation were grossly ignored. I came into Harvest with a caring, loving and sincere heart! I cared, which is why I bought books with my own money to share with others, to help them grow in the Lord, making sure that the pastors got copies of what I was sharing, but they didn't like it. I freely gave the senior pastor of Harvest the truthful book titled, “NIV: THE ANTICHRIST'S BIBLE” by Pastor Al Lacy (1933-2016), which offended him greatly. When I tried to give a copy to his 15 year younger sidekick assistant pastor, he literally laughed in my face! We'll see who's laughing at the Judgment Seat Of Christ!!! The TRUTH MATTERS!!! Harvest's incompetent pastors are wolves in sheep's clothing, evil deceivers, salary-suckers, who lead the flock of God astray to use CORRUPTIBLE SEED!

Simon Gibson #fundie firstlightforum.wordpress.com

The Jews have, of course, gained global notoriety for sacrificing babies (and aborted fetuses) to various pagan idols and eating the dried blood of innocent Gentile children and Christians in the matzo. Worse still, the corpses of Gentile children and Christians abused after that fashion have, in more recent times, been callously minced up in meat processing plants that supply popular hamburger outlets, like McDonalds, instead of just tossed behind a bush, in a rubbish bin, or down a well, as the traditional Jewish method of disposal.

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In fact some Jews have even sacrilegiously suggested that Jesus Christ was commanding his disciples and all Christians to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood, as a new sort of Passover rite, which is why so many of his Jewish disciples “turned back and walked no more with him” from that time, in the New Testament. A commandment from the Lord that has even been corrupted by apostate Jews to try to justify their condemnation of Jesus Christ and endorse their rite of eating the dried blood of children and Christians in the matzo since that time.

Especially since the Jews know that the Roman Catholic sect in Christendom teaches cannibalism and vampirism, by arguing that the wafer and wine used in the “sacrifice” of the mass are the literal body and blood of the Lord. A patent and ludicrous falsehood, mind you, because the original fleshly body and literal blood of the Lord are, of course, no longer extant; because scripture says the Lord ascended into heaven and is at the right hand of God in a bloodless celestial body of “flesh and bone” only, that’s of course quite different from the one he died in.

Having said all that, the Jews have, of course, also sacrificed babies and eaten their blood in the matzo, more generally, because they’ve inherited the wicked nature of the murderous fallen angel Satan and worshiped idols made in his image, ever since God delivered them to Satan for rejecting and opposing his righteous Son Jesus. An evil tendency no doubt exacerbated by the Jews’ innate desire to punish Gentile babies and Christians in a vindictive and sadistic way, simply because Jews have been jealous of them, ever since they realized Gentiles had come into the good of the blessings of God, by receiving the gospel the Jews rejected in the first century.

AbuMubarak #fundie ummah.com

as far as "dealing with you on a human level", how can i deal with a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, an arsonist that has willingly killed, how can i deal with a soldier who has slaughtered innocent people, a doctor who has aborted a baby, a mother who aborted a baby, a transvestite, a sodomite, etc?

now, whats worst than all of them combined? a murtad [apostate from Islam]

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesusisprecious.org

You have the God-given liberty to make your own decisions, but you DON'T have “a right” to any other opinion than God's! I disagree with God that anyone should be burned in Hell forever, and even after a trillion years not be given a second chance, but it doesn't matter what I think, I am on God's side, so I agree with God. I am as narrow-minded as the King James Bible! If you don't believe that the King James Bible is God's Word, then we have no common ground to have a spiritual conversation! When I man tells me that he doesn't believe God authored the Holy Bible, I know immediately that I cannot reach him, because he is a fool. I mean, from that point on my only attempt is to convince Him why I believe that the Holy Bible is God's Word.

“The Bible will always be full of things you cannot understand, as long as you will not live according to those you can understand.” —Billy Sunday

May I kindly say, you DON'T have a right to use any Bible that you choose. God did not author 39 different Bible versions. Common sense should tell you that, but moreover, all of the modern Bible versions horribly attack the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ! You DON'T have a right to pick whatever Bible version you feel comfortable using. God's Words are not open to human censorship. All of these new ungodly demonic Bible version completely remove the offensive word “SODOMITE”! God calls homosexuals “SODOMITES,” showing that they will suffer the same eternal damnation in Hell as did Sodom! Jude 1:7, “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” Sodom and four other surrounding cities were utterly destroyed by fire and brimstone raining down from Heaven! Homosexuality is a very wicked, filthy, horrible, disgusting, abnormal and abominable sin in God's eyes, which brings the judgment of God! Today's apostate churches are accepting the LGBTQ agenda, because they are not filled with the Holy Spirit of God, they are merely playing church!

“The problem with America is you dumb preachers!” —Pastor Bob Gray Sr., a quote from the needful sermon, “Is There A Place Called Hell?”

No one has a right to choose which Bible best fits them! You are either going to listen to what God says about man, or what man says about God. Only the inspired King James Bible honors the Lord Jesus Christ, suffers no fools, boldly proclaims Jesus' deity, doesn't feminize the Word of God, and retains the integrity of Bible theology. If you are a fool, then choose some modern counterfeit Bible! The King James Bible is not merely a “version,” it is the inspired Holy Bible!!! I pray that today's cowardly pastors would grow a backbone and start rejecting and preaching against Satan's counterfeit Bible versions...

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

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NIV 2011
...the Feminist's Lesbian Bible!

The new NIV 2011 (New International Version 2011) has been released online, now on it's way to Zondervan publishers to become toilet paper. And if you love the Lord Jesus Christ that's what you'll do with the NIV 2011.

The word “men” appears in the King James Bible's Old Testament 2416 times, and 806 in the New Testament. That's 3222 times that the King James Bible mentions the word “men.” But in the feminist perversion of the NIV 2011, you'll only find the word “men” 1027 times in their entire Bible. Pretty sad huh?

The word “man” appears in the King James Bible's Old Testament 3105 times, and 1433 in the New Testament. That's 4538 times that the King James Bible mentions the word “man.” But in the feminist perversion of the NIV 2011, you'll only find the word “man” 1989 times in their entire Bible.

It's a feminist's dream come true! The NIV 2011 attacks the masculine authority of God, the ruling husband, and the authoritative preacher. There is no room for gender equality in Biblical Christianity when it comes to AUTHORITY.

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Feminists are rebels against God. Feminism is a road to Hell (Proverb 5:5; 7:27; 9:18). Just as homosexuals are sinfully trying to merge God's unconditional love with gay rights, so have feminists merged human rights with feminist rights. No one has a right to be immoral. No one has a right to disobey God. A woman's place is Biblically IN THE HOME.

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As I've said often, and so say I again, no one has a right to commit immorality. Liberty is the freedom to BE wrong, not to DO wrong. No one is gay by birth. God doesn't make mistakes. Homosexuality is a CHOICE to sin, just as murderous abortion is a CHOICE to sin. Planned Parenthood is correct to call abortion a “choice,” but it is the wrong choice!

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Women today are becoming lesbians, whether literally or by becoming a feminist (which is a mental lesbian). Women who want to usurp authority and be equal with men are lesbians in their minds. Feminists are mental homosexuals.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Still today, men blame God for their evil deeds. There is much talk these days from the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) community about a gay God Who creates homosexuals by birth. Since they claim God made them that way, they believe they should rejoice and fulfill the image of their gay god by committing sodomy with the same sex.

I heard a 25 year old porn superstar say on the news that since Adam and Eve were totally naked in Eden, she knew that God approved of nakedness. What she failed to mention is that Adam and Eve were the only two people alive at the time. Do you see how mankind attempts to justify their sins? This is how the evil human heart functions, deceitful above all else, who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9). Thus, feminists and homosexuals are demanding a gender-inclusive Bible to make effeminate men and masculine women feel at home with the Word of God.

First the Communists and God-haters realized that they'd never be able to overthrow our nation unless they removed the Bible and prayer from children's lives, so in 1963 they banned the Word of God and prayer from being led by the teacher in all public schools. Then then brought wicked Rock 'N' Roll (the British Invasion) to sexual corrupt our nation's youth and lead them into Satan worship and idolatry of rock stars, which succeeded and consequently led to millions of unwanted pregnancies and the passing of Roe Vs. Wade in 1973, thus legalizing abortion nationwide. Today, the nation's youth commonly flash Diablo hand signs showing allegiance to Satan.

The deliberate moral subversion of the United States by the global financiers—the criminal architects of the New World Order—the elite international banking cartel (who have financed both sides of every major war conflict for the past two centuries) has succeeded. They've deliberately dumbed-down the public. They've targeted America for destruction. Our economy is about to implode. 3,5 million Americans are now homeless. 18.5 million homes are vacant, foreclosed by the banks. Millions of Americans walked away from their homes, because they owed far more in interest to the bank than the home was actually worth. Deliberate open borders, deliberate CIA illegal drug-trafficking into the U.S., deliberate theft of trillions of taxpayer dollars by Wall Street executives... this is just the beginning of judgment!

The problem is that people don't care! They don't care because they're not right with God. The Bible gives men convictions. Being a born-again Christian puts the Spirit of God into a man! Americans are devoid of truth, God and righteousness. Instead, people are saturated with TV, sports and entertainment. No wonder we are so weak and vulnerable as a nation, as sitting ducks in the hunter's rifle sight.

We don't need another Bible for modern times. We don't need a gender-inclusive Bible. God wrote the Bible as He meant it to be. A godly woman understands that God has ordained husbands to head their homes and marriages. Men are to lead the church. It is sinful for women to usurp authority over men. Hollywood caters to feminist and lesbian agendas—showing women leading armies, being in charge of everything, punching out a group of men. In reality, women could NEVER do what they do in the movies. It is a false reality that brainwashes young girls to become feminists, and their lives end up ruined as a result. Satan paints a rosy picture to young women, convincing them that killing their baby, shacking-up, and pursuing a career is a magical life. In reality, feminists one day realize that Satan stole their happiness, killed their babies and destroyed their marriage. Satan is a liar, thief and murderer (John 10:10).

The new NIV 2011 (New International Version 2011) has been released online, now on it's way to Zondervan publishers to become toilet paper. And if you love the Lord Jesus Christ that's what you'll do with the NIV 2011.

The word “men” appears in the King James Bible's Old Testament 2416 times, and 806 in the New Testament. That's 3222 times that the King James Bible mentions the word “men.” But in the feminist perversion of the NIV 2011, you'll only find the word “men” 1027 times in their entire Bible. Pretty sad huh?

The word “man” appears in the King James Bible's Old Testament 3105 times, and 1433 in the New Testament. That's 4538 times that the King James Bible mentions the word “man.” But in the feminist perversion of the NIV 2011, you'll only find the word “man” 1989 times in their entire Bible.

It's a feminist's dream come true! The NIV 2011 attacks the masculine authority of God, the ruling husband, and the authoritative preacher. There is no room for gender equality in Biblical Christianity when it comes to AUTHORITY.

The sad truth is that America has been overrun by feminists. Here's a couple quotes by infamous feminists:

“In my heart, I think a woman has two choices: either she's a feminist or a masochist.” —Gloria Steinem

“There never will be complete equality until women themselves help to make laws and elect lawmakers.” —Susan B. Anthony

That is the Devil talking ladies. Eve didn't like her restrictions either, so she bought into the Devil's lie of being “as gods” (Genesis 3:5). Feminists are placing themselves equal with God when they go against the Scriptures.

Feminists seek equality with authority, just as Lucifer, who said in Isaiah 14:14, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH.” Feminists want equality of authority like Lucifer. It is evil. The Bible teaches that a husband is to “rule over” his wife (Genesis 3:16), and women are to “be in silence” publicly in the presence of men as evidence of their obedience to their husband (1st Timothy 2:12).

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God is NOT into the gender-inclusive feminist/homosexual agenda of our time. It is wickedness in the sight of God. Read Proverb 14:2, “He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him.” Feminists and homosexuals absolutely despise the masculine King James Bible, viewing it as the bigot's Bible. No, it is God's holy Word, every Word of it! Romans 1:25 warned us that the wicked would change God's Word into a lie, “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”

bchris02 #fundie city-data.com

I love how you liberals throw out some red herring when you have been backed into a corner on religion and homosexuality. The 6,000 year thing was calculated back in the 1920s from geneologies but is open to interpretation, but the Bible couldn't be more clear on sexual immorality. However, I see there is no convincing any of you. You see this wicked soul-damning abomination as something holy and righteous before God, just as the book of Jude says "Christians" would in the latter days. There is nothing thats going to change your mind on this. I will leave you with this - your mind WILL be changed on judgement day. God is not mocked. He expects His children to keep His commandments.

John 14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

The most effective LIE is the HALF-TRUTH, because in part it can be defended with incontestable logic! For example: The official 9/11 story (concerning the New York World Trade Center attacks in 2001) is a half-truth! The part that is true is that two planes were deliberately crashed into buildings 1 and 2. The part that is false is that those planes caused the buildings to crumble to the ground. In truth (as dozens of firefighters at Ground Zero later testified), is that buildings 1, 2 and 7 were all brought down by BOMBS in the buildings!!! A demolition company (that younger brother Marvin Bush administrated) planted those explosives in the months prior to 9-11. The truth is that 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!

Likewise, the modern Bible versions are a HALF-TRUTH! The part that is true is that many Scripture passages have been made easier to understand (that is, the ones which haven't been horribly corrupted). The part that is false is the corruption of hundreds of key Scripture passages concerning Christ's deity, character and preeminence (i.e., the doctrine of Christ). Since some passages are made simpler for the reader to comprehend (especially bilingual speaking people), they buy into the HALF-TRUTH. The truthful part of the half-truth (i.e., that some Bible verses are made easier to understand), can be defended with incontestable logic. Who can argue with that logic? This is how Bible college professors, evangelists and church pastors are woefully deceived by Satan! The deadly LIE is that the Gospel has been corrupted—because the meaning of repentance has been corrupted, and because the way of salvation has been corrupted, Christ's deity has been corrupted, the blood has been corrupted, the Godhead has been corrupted—All in the modern Alexandrian-based Bible PERversions!!! If you have an NIV, ERV, ESV, NASB, RSV, NKJV, HCSB, LB, or some other modern polluted translation, you have a HALF-TRUTH (which is the most effective lie Satan has to offer, because it sells)!!!

Thankfully, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman fought against the same exact Bob Jones University camp that I am today! I had no idea of the magnitude of this battle until Harvest Baptist Church (all BJU graduates) forced the issue on me in 2014. I hadn't a clue! What they meant for evil, God meant for good (Genesis 50:20). I am not kidding, and you couldn't make this stuff up, Harvest's slogan for the year (with a big banner hanging up in the church auditorium for the entire year I was there) read, “God meant it for good - Genesis 50:20.” I cannot help but see the humor in all this. God is so amazing! I love the folks at Harvest, truly, so much, and I care about people; but they really deserve the knuckleheads of the year award over there! It came as an encouraging surprise to me to learn that Dr. Ruckman had paved the way before me to fight this very same noble battle over the inspiration of the Word of God. THERE IS NOT A MORE WORTHY FIGHT TODAY!

New Evangelical (by Dr. Jack Hyles)
Satan tries to redefine the term “radical”

I am a soldier for the Lord Jesus Christ. 2nd Timothy 2:3-4, “Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.” My wife divorced me in 2006 against my will. That's okay, I'll live alone and serve God by myself. I underwent two major neck surgeries in 2010 and 2011 with no one by my side. I wanted to die, but God's love kept me going. I wanted to do what Ben Fieldhouse did, but thankfully didn't. Ben Fieldhouse was a member of HBC who went and commit suicide in 2010 (about the same time I almost did too). Harvest Baptist Church kicked me out and refused to let me return. That's okay, I'll be lonely and have no social life, but I WILL STAND FOR THE TRUTH!!! I'll continue to stand alone, living alone if that is God's will for me, but I WILL STAND!!!

Tyler Anderson Coultier #fundie facebook.com

(=A response to the post "Why I consider the KJV only crowd a cult" - ironically the post was written by a known flat earth advocate=)

According to "Scholars" the reason these verses where left out or completely mangled from the Bible is because they found "earlier, more reliable" manuscripts, and these manuscripts where different than the manuscripts the KJV was translated from. They are talking about the sinaciticus and vaticanus texts. The Alexandrian cults created these texts and corrupted the Bible, and rejected throughout the centuries by the church as heretical. Just because we have older different texts doesn't make them the reliable ones. The vast majority of people were using the manuscripts translated into the KJV for centuries.

I do believe you can be from the NIV, there's enough Bible in there to present the gospel. But if you want to become a true bible student you need to switch to the KJV 1611...it's the most reputable and the most used in the history of english speakers. It's the truth and that's why the devil is attacking it so hard and has created these new perversions.

I don't speak greek or hebrew and I'm not going to pretend I know more than the 48 hebrew and Greek scholars who translated the KJV.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

Amy [Grant] had to discover her own sexuality? That's code language for figuring out whether she was a homosexual or straight, or bisexual, or a transgendered, et cetera. NO ONE who is normally healthy has to discover their sexuality. You were either born a female or a male, or something is medically wrong with you and you are deformed (which is an extremely rare oddity).

Notice also in the preceding quote that Amy says if others had a different sexual discovery, that is, determined that they are HOMOSEXUAL, she said she doesn't “categorize” them. Well, the Bible DOES categorize homosexuals as “sodomites” (1st Kings 14:24), and as having “vile affections” (Romans 1:26), and committing “abomination” (Leviticus 20:13) and “going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 1:7).

Romans 1:24-32 plainly exposes homosexuality as gross immorality in God's sight, which brings severe punishment and consequences (Romans 1:32; Jude 1:7). If you are living in homosexuality you should feel bad about yourself, just as you should if you were an adulterer, thief, liar, pervert or murderer. Do you think it is mere coincidence that America's economy is failing to the same degree that our nation is embracing sinful living? No way! God will not bless a wicked nation.

Denny Burk #fundie dennyburk.com

I am sometimes asked why we should regard this issue [gay marriage] as essential when marriage and sexuality aren’t mentioned in the Apostle’s Creed. If sexual morality is so important, why isn’t it mentioned there? My answer to that question is simply to highlight another apostolic document–the New Testament–which strongly condemns not merely deviations in doctrine but also deviations in sexual morality.

Jude’s epistle is a classic example of this. Jude commands Christians to “contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). Why? Because false teachers had crept into the congregation. These false teachers are under “condemnation” because they “turn the grace of our God into licentiousness” (Jude 4). In other words, these false teachers had introduced a poison into the congregation that appealed to God’s grace as a basis for immorality. In effect, they had denied the Lordship of Jesus Christ, which is the essence of spiritual death.

We are not fighting a mere culture war. Much more is at stake in this conversation, and if the church of the Lord Jesus Christ fails to bear witness to that, then who will?

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

You need to understand that for one year they won my heart at Harvest. The church nurse liked me, and I was scared at the time to reach out to her, so I didn't. But she had my heart. She used to wait for me in the parking lot when I came to church, and that made a major impression on me. I made friends in the church. I loved the pastor dearly, because he came up to me personally before every service, and I felt very loved. But then I handed him some books to help him see, as a friend. I gave him “Martin Luther: Master Of Deceit” by Pastor Max D. Younce, my friend. I gave him “NIV: The Antichrist's Bible” by Pastor Al Lacy. And I gave him “I Never Knew You” by Brother Michael P. Bowen. All three books offended their pastors. I was called into the back office of the church, and reprimanded, prohibited from sharing those book titles with anybody in the church. They called Pastor Jack Hyles and me “a cult.” Consequently, I was compelled to leave Harvest Baptist Church, in bitter tears all the way home. I had just lost the only church family I knew.

They gave up on me as the months passed, and then a couple years. I had nowhere else to go to church, so I didn't. I was dying with loneliness. I gained a bunch of weight due to depression. I thought about that nurse every day, and then saw her on February 21, 2017 at Asan Beach in her hammock between two palm trees, and my heart melted. I finally told her how I felt about her. She had so much of an impact on my soul, that I went on a crash diet, going from 215 pounds to 145 in just 4 months, to impress her. Unfortunately, she e-mailed me and told me never to contact her again. I was very sad. But at least I had finally told her how I felt, wanting to court her at church, and now I had some closure, knowing that she didn't want me, and made it clear. What could I do? That was her choice alone, which saddened me much.

After that event, I desperately wanted to go back to Harvest. I apologized to the church pastors for any trouble I had caused, and humbly with respect begged them to please allow me to attend church services. They literally used my affection for the nurse as an excuse not to let me return, which made me angry. Men of God don't play God with people's lives. I am 100% confident that I am not the first person, who has ever liked someone else in their church. I mean, after all, the nurse did like me first! I knew their excuse was a lame attempt to simply get rid of me, and that hurt deeply. A Scripture comes to mind...

Philippians 2:1-3, “If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.”

So in my frustration I hadn't been able to convince the Pastors to let me come back. I wrote a bunch more articles, expressing my frustrations, and telling THE TRUTH!

Then a young Christian woman from Harvest Baptist Church moved into my neighborhood in 2017, and I fell in love with her the moment I saw her. She recently did her hair, and looks like a glamour girl, and she is beautiful. I won't explain it all again, because I share my story in this article. And also, I share my feelings in this article about Harvest. Well, the second woman wrote me a letter, and gave back my affectionate care-bear. Strangely, her letter seemed to say almost verbatim what the nurse's letter said, which was suspicious, leading me to believe that her pastors were behind both letters. As you can imagine, now I am really wanting to expose them for fake Bibles, Lordship Salvation and not letting me come back to church. What a mess! So now there are two women at Harvest Baptist Church that are dear to me, and I am not allowed to come to church, not even to sit quietly and listen to the sermons. Who wouldn't be upset?

I mean, if the ladies don't like me, then they don't like me, what's the big deal? I have 100% respected both women, by never contacting them again (as they both requested). That is the hardest thing to do, but I am not a fool. Kindly, their pastors are playing God with my life, trying to own people. So be it, then I will continue to expose their church as a cult, since they are promoting the Alexandrian cult Bible versions (Note: I humbly disagree with Dr. Peter Ruckman on double-inspiration for the King James Bible, but he is 100% accurate concerning the Alexandrian versions). I gave the pastors of Harvest a solemn promise, that if they allowed me to return I would not be a root of bitterness in the church. I don't make promises often, because talk is cheap and promises are easily broken. So when I make a promise, I keep my word, which my family knows to be true. Through all the suffering I have endured in my life, it is easier for me to forgive and let go of grudges. God has forgiven me of so much! I pray that they would do the same at HBC. It doesn't matter what my motive is for exposing Harvest, as long as I am telling THE TRUTH! Forgive me if I seem arrogant, God knows I am not, I am just confident. No woman at Harvest will ever like me if their pastors are against me. I just wish we could all get along as brethren in Christ! I am a fighter, I admit, like God my Savior. Brother Lester Roloff: “Say what you will, God is a fighter!”[1] Albeit, I long for fellowship with a local Baptist church, to love them and hopefully be loved back.

Andy Schlafly #fundie conservapedia.com

"Son of Man" is a common mistranslation, preferred by liberals, which obscures Jesus's divinity. Jesus used an artful phrase to convey his divinity without committing the capital offense of blasphemy, which would have terminated His ministry before it completed.

A better English translation which conveys the divinity would be "The Son as Man." In other words, simply replace "of" with "as" to restore the intended implication of divinity, without committing blasphemy under the strict rules of the time. The versatility of "as" in modern English conveys the meaning of the awkward, unusual Greek phrase better than "of" does.

The use of the phrase in Mark 10:45 illustrates the flaws in the "Son of Man" and the superiority of the "Son as Man" as the English translation:

For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve (NIV)
For even the Son as Man did not come to be served, but to serve

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Len #fundie eternal-destinations.blogspot.com

Women's Child-Bearing Role
Paul wrote to Timothy, "But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." (1Ti 2:15, NIV). The King James Version has it, "she shall be saved in childbearing." Either way you translate it, you have a clear definition of the woman's role being one of bearing children, while continuing in faith, love, and holiness with propriety. Since that is her God-given role in marriage, then the modern conzcept of a woman's role as defined by the liberal, secular feminist movement stands in stark contrast to the biblical one. They view prohibitions on birth control as a means to control female sexuality and independence.

David J. Stewart #fundie soulwinning.info

One of the greatest forms of injustice is to outcast someone from a church and then abandon that person, which was done to me. I know exactly how Rudolph The Red-nosed Reindeer felt, being outcast and banned by the Bob Jones University crowd on Guam for my King James Bible only position. Instead of having a bright red nose like Rudolph, I simply told the truth and was outcast as a rodent. God will plead my cause and judge between me and them! I told the truth. I am right about the modern Bible versions being of the Devil. Sadly, most Baptist pastors are so wicked today that they couldn't care less about the purity of God's Word, they merely want their next paycheck; and if they do take any type of cowardly stand, it is so vague and frail that they dare not speak a negative word against Bob Jones University, because they fear persecution from peers. I'd fire them all if I had my way! I pray to God that the only reward they ever receive is their earthly salary, which is what they live for (mammon).

Jeremiah 23:1-2, “Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.”

Jeremiah 3:15, “And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.” ... Jeremiah 10:21, “For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.”

No church pastor has truly sought the Lord, who promotes corrupt Bible versions based upon the 1881 Greek work of apostates' Brooke Westcott and Fenton Hort; the SAME Greek that the satanic Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation (NWT) is based upon!!! Doesn't anyone think it more than a coincidence that the Jehovah's Witness' religious cult, that denies Jesus' deity, would adopt the Alexandrian manuscripts, which are also notorious for attacking Christ's deity? If I have one big fault, it is that I CARE TOO MUCH!!! If that is a fault, I am glad to have it!!! I know God is proud of me for caring about little things, the details. The God of the inspired King James Bible knows how many hairs are on our head (Matthew 10:30). That same wonderful God never forgets one bird that perishes (Luke 12:6). That same wonderful God knows when I lay down and when I get up (Psalms 139:1-6). The animals of the earth seek their food from their Creator (Psalms 104:21). Do you honestly think that same omnipotent God doesn't notice or care that EVERY modern Bible has removed His solemn promise in Psalms 12:6-7 to preserve His PURE WORDS unto every generation? Why do the Alexandrian manuscripts remove God's promise? The answer is obvious, so that Satan can cause men to doubt God's Word.

Graywolf12 #fundie absoluterights.com

Efficient Gun Control that makes sense.
•In 1863 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.
•In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States, who later died from the wound.
•In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.
•In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.
•In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.
•In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.
•In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.
•In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.
•In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria.
•In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.
•In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.
•In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.
•In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.
•In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.
•In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.
•In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.
•In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.
•In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school.

One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does not. Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

No NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservatives are involved.

SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.

Kevin Sorbo Official Facebook Page #fundie facebook.com

Just saying:

This could solve the gun concerns!

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.

In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States - who later died from the wound.

In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.

In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.

In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen , TX.

In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US ...

In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.

In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others.

In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.

In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown , CT.

As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.

Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders.

SOLUTION: It should be illegal for Democrats to own guns.

Martinlutherking.org #conspiracy martinlutherking.org


WHEN THE COMMUNISTS TOOK OVER a country, one of the first things that they did was to confiscate all the privately-held weapons, to deny the people the physical ability to resist tyranny. But even more insidious than the theft of the people's weapons was the theft of their history. Official Communist "historians" rewrote history to fit the current party line. In many countries, revered national heroes were excised from the history books, or their real deeds were distorted to fit Communist ideology, and Communist killers and criminals were converted into official "saints." Holidays were declared in honor of the beasts who murdered countless nations.

Did you know that much the same process has occurred right here in America?

Every January, the media go into a kind of almost spastic frenzy of adulation for the so-called "Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr." King has even had a national holiday declared in his honor, an honor accorded to no other American, not Washington, not Jefferson, not Lincoln. (Washington and Lincoln no longer have holidays -- they share the generic-sounding "President's Day.") A liberal judge has sealed the FBI files on King until the year 2027. What are they hiding? Let's take a look at this modern-day plastic god.

Born in 1929, King was the son of a Black preacher known at the time only as "Daddy King." "Daddy King" named his son Michael. In 1935, "Daddy King" had an inspiration to name himself after the Protestant reformer Martin Luther. He declared to his congregation that henceforth they were to refer to him as "Martin Luther King" and to his son as "Martin Luther King, Jr." None of this name changing was ever legalized in court. "Daddy" King's son's real name is to this day Michael King.

King's Brazen Cheating

We read in Michael Hoffman's "Holiday for a Cheater":

The first public sermon that King ever gave, in 1947 at the Ebenezer Baptist Church, was plagiarized from a homily by Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick entitled "Life is What You Make It," according to the testimony of King's best friend of that time, Reverend Larry H. Williams.

The first book that King wrote, "Stride Toward Freedom, - -was plagiarized from numerous sources, all unattributed, according to documentation recently assembled by sympathetic King scholars Keith D. Miller, Ira G. Zepp, Jr., and David J. Garrow.

And no less an authoritative source than the four senior editors of "The Papers of Martin Luther King, Jr.- - (an official publication of the Martin Luther King Center for Nonviolent Social Change, Inc., whose staff includes King's widow Coretta), stated of King's writings at both Boston University and Crozer Theological Seminary: "Judged retroactively by the standards of academic scholarship, [his writings] are tragically flawed by numerous instances of plagiarism.... Appropriated passages are particularly evident in his writings in his major field of graduate study, systematic theology."

King's essay, "The Place of Reason and Experience in Finding God," written at Crozer, pirated passages from the work of theologian Edgar S. Brightman, author of "The Finding of God."

Another of King's theses, "Contemporary Continental Theology," written shortly after he entered Boston University, was largely stolen from a book by Walter Marshall Horton.

King's doctoral dissertation, "A Comparison of the Conceptions of God in the Thinking of Paul Tillich and Harry Nelson Wieman," for which he was awarded a PhD in theology, contains more than fifty complete sentences plagiarized from the PhD dissertation of Dr. Jack Boozer, "The Place of Reason in Paul Tillich's Concept of God."

According to "The Martin Luther King Papers", in King's dissertation "only 49 per cent of sentences in the section on Tillich contain five or more words that were King's own...."!

In "The Journal of American History", June 1991, page 87, David J. Garrow, a leftist academic who is sympathetic to King, says that King's wife, Coretta Scott King, who also served as his secretary, was an accomplice in his repeated cheating. ("King's Plagiarism: Imitation, Insecurity and Transformation," The Journal of American History, June 1991, p. 87)

Reading Garrow's article, one is led to the inescapable conclusion that King cheated because he had chosen for himself a political role in which a PhD would be useful, and, lacking the intellectual ability to obtain the title fairly, went after it by any means necessary. Why, then, one might ask, did the professors at Crozer Theological Seminary and Boston University grant him passing grades and a PhD? Garrow states on page 89: "King's academic compositions, especially at Boston University, were almost without exception little more than summary descriptions... and comparisons of other's writings. Nonetheless, the papers almost always received desirable letter grades, strongly suggesting that King's professors did not expect more...." The editors of "The Martin Luther King Jr. Papers" state that "...the failure of King's teachers to notice his pattern of textual appropriation is somewhat remarkable...."

But researcher Michael Hoffman tells us "...actually the malfeasance of the professors is not at all remarkable. King was politically correct, he was Black, and he had ambitions. The leftist [professors were] happy to award a doctorate to such a candidate no matter how much fraud was involved. Nor is it any wonder that it has taken forty years for the truth about King's record of nearly constant intellectual piracy to be made public."

Supposed scholars, who in reality shared King's vision of a racially mixed and Marxist America, purposely covered up his cheating for decades. The cover-up still continues. From the "New York Times" of October 11, 1991, page 15, we learn that on October 10th of that year, a committee of researchers at Boston University admitted that, "There is no question but that Dr. King plagiarized in the dissertation." However, despite its finding, the committee said that "No thought should be given to the revocation of Dr. King's doctoral degree," an action the panel said "would serve no purpose."

No purpose, indeed! Justice demands that, in light of his willful fraud as a student, the "reverend" and the "doctor" should be removed from King's name.

Communist Beliefs and Connections

Well friends, he is not a legitimate reverend, he is not a bona fide PhD, and his name isn't really "Martin Luther King, Jr." What's left? Just a sexual degenerate, an America-hating Communist, and a criminal betrayer of even the interests of his own people.

On Labor Day, 1957, a special meeting was attended by Martin Luther King and four others at a strange institution called the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tennessee. The Highlander Folk School was a Communist front, having been founded by Myles Horton (Communist Party organizer for Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party organizer for North Carolina). The leaders of this meeting with King were the aforementioned Horton and West, along with Abner Berry and James Dumbrowski, all open and acknowledged members of the Communist Party, USA. The agenda of the meeting was a plan to tour the Southern states to initiate demonstrations and riots.

From 1955 to 1960, Martin Luther King's associate, advisor, and personal secretary was one Bayard Rustin. In 1936 Rustin joined the Young Communist League at New York City College. Convicted of draft-dodging, he went to prison for two years in 1944. On January 23, 1953 the "Los Angeles Times" reported his conviction and sentencing to jail for 60 days for lewd vagrancy and homosexual perversion. Rustin attended the 16th Convention of the Communist Party, USA in February, 1957. One month later, he and King founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, or SCLC for short. The president of the SCLC was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The vice-president of the SCLC was the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth, who was also the president of an identified Communist front known as the Southern Conference Educational Fund, an organization whose field director, a Mr. Carl Braden, was simultaneously a national sponsor of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, of which you may have heard. The program director of the SCLC was the Reverend Andrew Young, in more recent years Jimmy Carter's ambassador to the UN and mayor of Atlanta. Young, by the way, was trained at the Highlander Folk School, previously mentioned.

Soon after returning from a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized the first of King's famous marches on Washington. The official organ of the Communist Party, "The Worker,- - openly declared the march to be a Communist project. Although he left King's employ as secretary in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to be second in command of the much larger march on Washington which took place on August 28, 1963.

Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1961 as secretary and advisor to King was Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell. According to official records, in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party, USA. He had been listed as a Communist Party member as early as 1956. O'Dell was also given the job of acting executive director for SCLC activities for the entire Southeast, according to the St. Louis "Globe-Democrat - -of October 26, 1962. At that time, there were still some patriots in the press corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became known.

What did King do? Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired O'Dell with much fanfare. And he then, without the fanfare, "immediately hired him again- - as director of the New York office of the SCLC, as confirmed by the "Richmond News-Leader - -of September 27, 1963. In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named Robert Williams made a trip to Peking, China. Exactly 20 days before King's 1963 march on Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-Tung to speak out on behalf of King's movement. Mr. Williams was also around this time maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from which he made regular broadcasts to the southern US, three times a week, from high-power AM transmitters in Havana under the title "Radio Free Dixie." In these broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by Blacks against White Americans.

During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled "Negroes With Guns." The writer of the foreword for this book? None other than Martin Luther King, Jr. It is also interesting to note that the editors and publishers of this book were to a man all supporters of the infamous Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, "King privately described himself as a Marxist." In his 1981 book, "The FBI and Martin Luther King, Jr.", Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC staff meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, which must be an era of revolution.... The whole structure of American life must be changed.... We are engaged in the class struggle."

Jewish Communist Stanley Levison can best be described as King's behind-the-scenes "handler." Levison, who had for years been in charge of the secret funnelling of Soviet funds to the Communist Party, USA, was King's mentor and was actually the brains behind many of King's more successful ploys. It was Levison who edited King's book, "Stride Toward Freedom." It was Levison who arranged for a publisher. Levison even prepared King's income tax returns! It was Levison who really controlled the fund-raising and agitation activities of the SCLC. Levison wrote many of King's speeches. King described Levison as one of his "closest friends."

FBI: King Bought Sex With SCLC Money

The Federal Bureau of Investigation had for many years been aware of Stanley Levison's Communist activities. It was Levison's close association with King that brought about the initial FBI interest in King.

Lest you be tempted to believe the controlled media's lie about "racists" in the FBI being out to "get" King, you should be aware that the man most responsible for the FBI's probe of King was Assistant Director William C. Sullivan. Sullivan describes himself as a liberal, and says that initially "I was one hundred per cent for King...because I saw him as an effective and badly needed leader for the Black people in their desire for civil rights." The probe of King not only confirmed their suspicions about King's Communist beliefs and associations, but it also revealed King to be a despicable hypocrite, an immoral degenerate, and a worthless charlatan.

According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to the surveillance files on King which are denied the American people, King had embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money contributed to the "civil rights" movement. King used SCLC funds to pay for liquor, and numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who were brought to his hotel rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex parties which sometimes lasted for several days. These types of activities were the norm for King's speaking and organizing tours.

In fact, an outfit called The National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, Tennessee, which is putting on display the two bedrooms from the Lorraine Motel where King stayed the night before he was shot, has declined to depict in any way the "occupants - -of those rooms. That "according to exhibit designer Gerard Eisterhold "would be "close to blasphemy." The reason? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spent his last night on Earth having sex with two women at the motel and physically beating and abusing a third.

Sullivan also stated that King had alienated the affections of numerous married women. According to Sullivan, who in 30 years with the Bureau hadáseen everything there was to be seen of the seamy side of life, King was one of only seven people he had ever encountered who was such a total degenerate.

Noting the violence that almost invariably attended King's supposedly "non-violent" marches, Sullivan's probe revealed a very different King from the carefully crafted public image. King welcomed members of many different Black groups as members of his SCLC, many of them advocates and practitioners of violence. King's only admonition on the subject was that they should embrace "tactical nonviolence."

Sullivan also relates an incident in which King met in a financial conference with Communist Party representatives, not knowing that one of the participants was an infiltrator actually working for the FBI.

J. Edgar Hoover personally saw to it that documented information on King's Communist connections was provided to the President and to Congress. And conclusive information from FBI files was also provided to major newspapers and news wire services. But were the American people informed of King's real nature? No, for even in the 1960s, the fix was in "the controlled media and the bought politicians were bound and determined to push their racial mixing program on America. King was their man and nothing was going to get in their way. With a few minor exceptions, these facts have been kept from the American people. The pro-King propaganda machine grinds on, and it is even reported that a serious proposal has been made to add some of King's writings as a new book in the Bible.

Ladies and gentlemen, the purpose of this radio program is far greater than to prove to you the immorality and subversion of this man called King. I want you to start to think for yourselves. I want you to consider this: What are the forces and motivation behind the controlled media's active promotion of King? What does it tell you about our politicians when you see them, almost without exception, falling all over themselves to honor King as a national hero? What does it tell you about our society when any public criticism of this moral leper and Communist functionary is considered grounds for dismissal? What does it tell you about the controlled media when you see how they have successfully suppressed the truth and held out a picture of King that can only be described as a colossal lie? You need to think, my fellow Americans. You desperately need to wake up.

Brian L Powell #fundie brianlpowell.com


Biblical Sexuality

Sexuality has become an interesting topic. The Supreme Court ruling on same-sex unions has radically changed the conversation. So many things influence the discussion: culture, politics, philosophy, ethics, and religion just to name a few. From a Christian perspective, I believe the most important lens through which to view this topic is the Bible. With many people attempting to deconstruct sound biblical teaching concerning marriage, it only seems right to expound on the issue at the root of the entire conversation: Homosexuality.

I’d like to start by saying that I have friends who are homosexual. I’ve ministered over the years to many within the homosexual community. This is not an attempt to promote an “us-versus-them” mentality. It is merely a look at biblical sexuality: God’s intent and how we should respond.

“The Lord God said, ‘It is not good for the man to be alone…’ Then the Lord God made a woman…” (Genesis 2:18, 22). There are several truths to be learned from the creation account. First and foremost, God created sexual identity and it can’t be undone inherently, theoretically, psychologically, or any other way. God made Adam who was a man, and Eve who was a woman. Thus sexual identity was established.

Beyond identity, God also created sexual intimacy. God intended sexual intimacy to take place between a man and a woman in the context of marriage. Homosexuality abandons God’s design in several ways. For one, instead of embracing the man-woman design, homosexuality embraces a same-sex preference as an option for sexual intimacy.

What does the Bible say?

“Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin” (Lev. 18:22). “If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent” (Lev. 20:13).
“Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies… Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men…” (Rom. 1:25-27).
Every mention of homosexual behavior in the Bible, both Old and New Testament, condemns it without question. The passages aren’t vague in the way that people might have once looked to the Bible to inaccurately uphold slavery. Yet those who advocate for the legitimacy of a homosexual lifestyle have gone to great lengths to call into question every biblical reference. For example, they would argue that the book of Leviticus also condemns eating shellfish or cutting your sideburns. They would say it’s ancient religious law that doesn’t apply to New Testament believers.

First, that is an extremely irresponsible way to read and interpret Scripture. One can’t just ignore these commands as ancient practices no longer relevant for New Testament Christians. That misses one of the most essential understandings of the Old Testament. Specifically, that there is an entire portion of teaching dedicated to ceremonial uncleanness and another section of teaching that speaks specifically to immoral conduct. One is centered on the sacrificial system of the people of Israel. The other is meant for every human being throughout history.

It’s one thing to describe temple rituals. It’s an entirely different thing to talk about God’s moral law (e.g. Ten Commandments). Besides, the New Testament condemns homosexual behavior as well. When it’s talked about in the Old Testament, it’s rooted in the moral law of God. It’s not the same as which foods one was allowed to eat under ancient Jewish dietary laws. Just like the prohibitions in the Old Testament against incest, God’s warning against homosexual behavior is for every age.

Then there are people who challenge New Testament verses by saying that while it seems to reprimand homosexual acts, it’s really talking about male prostitutes, not same-sex monogamous relationships. There’s only one problem, the Greek word used for homosexuality in the New Testament is ??se?????t?? (arsenokoítes) and means “partner in homosexual intercourse.” So the conclusion remains: God created human beings as male and female, and meant for sexual intimacy to take place in the context of marriage alone. As a result, the Bible throughout describes any deviation from that design as outside of God’s will for our lives.

Today’s culture hangs so much on sexuality. The world teaches that fulfilling one’s sexual desire is what brings ultimate satisfaction in life. The reality is that no earthly relationship can make one’s life complete. However, there is One who can fulfill our heart’s desire for love and acceptance. Knowing Jesus will never leave us empty. True fulfillment comes by having an authentic relationship with him.

There are many who want to ignore clear biblical teaching on the matter. Some of those people are clergy, who have no problem performing ceremonies for same-sex couples. These people not only ignore the Bible, but also 2000 years of church history. Make no mistake, from the Early Church Fathers to the Reformation and beyond, homosexual behavior has been deemed as against God’s unique sexual design for humanity.

The problem we will run into in the future does not pertain to clear biblical teaching on the subject, but rather to ecclesial and pastoral ethics. Will those who are ordained in the church uphold the biblical views and traditions of the church faithfully? Only time will tell. Regardless, the Bible is clear, without doubt and without reservation, homosexual behavior stands against God’s intent for human sexuality.

LIBERALFACISTS #fundie premierchristianity.com

I have read Ezekiel thanks,I've also read Jude 1:7,the only possibility for the two texts to be congruent,is if the 'so they committed abominations' ..refers to the sexual immorality we see on display in Genesis 19
where all of the men of Sodom expressed their desire for homosexuality..

"who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Jude 1:7

(as Jude requires an example)to act as a warning to others,we have this in Genesis 19 ,where all the men of Sodom desire to have homosexual sex with Angels they believed to be men.

So although they did commit other sins,they were not the reason given for their destruction.

As you will notice,the sins of not having regard for the poor and needy,being overfed and complacent,although sinful are not punishable by death under Levitical law....homosexuality however is.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

So what's wrong with the NIV? In a word... EVERYTHING! Do you have any idea how many things were eviscerated (disemboweled) from the Bible by the NIV authors? Hundreds of words, phrases, and even entire Bible verses were removed from the Word of God by the NIV butchers. Whereas the King James Bible mentions the "Godhead" three times, the NIV has completely removed the word. You won't find the word "propitiation" in the NIV either. In fact, all of the following words have been removed from the Bible by the NIV butchers: regeneration, mercyseat, Calvary, remission, Jehovah, immutable, omnipotent, Comforter, Holy Ghost, Messiah, quickened, infallible, et cetera. One of the most blasphemous omissions in the NIV is in John 3:16 where Jesus is no longer proclaimed as the "only BEGOTTEN Son of God." Yes, that's right, the NIV butchers removed the word "begotten" from John 3:16. How in the name of truth and justice could any professed Christian use the New International Version? Yet, it's the most popular bible version sold on the market today. If I had a billion dollars, I'd make an offer to churches all across America. I'd exchange brand new King James Bibles for their perverted NIVs. I'd give them new Bibles for their old corrupt bibles. They would first have to give me their NIVs so I could BURN THEM! I'd burn every NIV I could find.

Garvan Ellison #fundie bbc.co.uk

Personally I don't care how close the KJV of 1611 is to the actual Greek. The point is that those Godly men who compiled it were inspired by the Holy Spirit to do so in the way that they did. Indeed, Scripture itself prophecies that, in the years to come, a king will translate scripture perfectly (Ecclesiastes 8:4).

No other version will do, and I have a friend in the US who burns NIVs (many Christians believe the NIV is demon-inspired).

Reason2012 #fundie christiannews.net

There's no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [sodomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

Genesis 19:7-9 "And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door."

Luke 17:28-30 "So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed."

Romans 1:18-32 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It's not just Paul that pointed it out.

Genesis 19:4-13 "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be raped to keep them from having_sex with another man - shows rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it."

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

Deuteronomy 23:17 "There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."

1 Kings 22:46 "And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land."

1 Kings 15:11-12 "And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made."

2 Kings 23:7 "And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove."

Ezekiel 16:49-50 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

And the "pride" parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

Matthew 19:4-5 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"

Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband. And only two people off opposite gender can become "one flesh".

May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

Andy Schlafly #fundie #sexist #crackpot conservapedia.com

Gender-neutral terminology is used by politically correct liberals in a ploy to efface the natural differences between men and women, sometimes with absurd effect. Thus, although in legal texts the word "he" and "his" have been used for centuries to apply to both sexes, political correctness advocates insist on the cumbersome "he or she", "his or her". Sometimes people mistakenly use of "they" (or "their") despite the fact that this usage is grammatically incorrect. They also try to abolish terms as policeman, fireman, postman, fisherman, chairman, actress and waitress, claiming they are sexist terms. Use of gender-neutral language is a hallmark of overly liberal translations of the Bible.

Some languages use different words or suffixes depending on the gender of a noun, and attribute gender to non-people nouns. However, formal English does not ascribe gender to inanimate objects and defaults to the "male" pronouns or words when referring to either gender. For example, "All men are created equal," is correct English and the statement includes both males and females.

The fact that there are two different genders – male and female, based on one's biological sex – is affirmed through Scripture:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27 (ESV)

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

I handed a hardcopy of Dr. Al Lacy's awesome book, “NIV: THE ANTICHRIST'S BIBLE,” to the senior pastor of an independent fundamental Baptist church a couple years ago. The book offended him! Their church uses, tolerates and promotes the Alexandrian Bible versions. There's not a dime's difference between them—the modern revisions all share the same corruptions. Being ignorant is bad enough for a pastor, but when someone hands them THE TRUTH and they reject it, scolding the truth-bearer, they are not a man of God!!! Who is the man of God—the preacher who defends the purity and incorruptibleness of God's Word; or the neo-evangelical compromiser who uses umpteen corruptible Bible versions to interpret what God's incorruptible word said? The King James Bible is the incorruptible Words of God, which are both preserved and inspired. Do not support any preacher who is unwilling to boldly proclaim that the King James Bible is inspired!!!

The King James Bible is Preserved and Inspired!

The Inspiration of the Almighty in the King James Bible!

Why I Believe King James Bible Is The Word Of God | MP3 (Dr. Peter Ruckman)

Why I Believe The King James Bible Is The Word Of God (article from Dr. Ruckman's sermon)

THE CONSPIRACY OF THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT (awesome King James Bible defense by Dr. Ruckman)

Alexandria, Egypt — intellectual center of the ancient world

Adamanchus Origen (185-254 AD) - Took over after Clement as president of the Catechetical School in Alexandria. The Devil was his father. A hateful enemy of the Bible. The most influential religious figure of his generation. He produced a 6-volume Bible. He changed all he disagreed with, like creation. You can find this information in a good public library. Origen described the Trinity as a hierarchy, not as an equality of Father, Son, and Spirit. Origen wrote many books. One being “The Logos Doctrine,” attacking the deity of Christ. For my complete notes on the subject, as taught by Dr. Al Lacy, please CLICK HERE.

Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great in April 331 BC as Alexandria. Alexander's chief architect for the project was Dinocrates. Alexandria was intended to supersede Naucratis as a Hellenistic center in Egypt, and to be the link between Greece and the rich Nile valley. Alexandria was the intellectual and cultural center of the ancient world for some time. The city and its museum attracted many of the greatest scholars, including Greeks, Jews and Syrians. The city was later plundered and lost its significance.

SOURCE: Wikipedia - Alexandria

*Origen was the real founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's).

*Origen taught that only the original manuscripts were perfect. He did not believe in an inerrant Bible, as most Bible colleges today don't believe either.

IT ALL CORRUPTED IN ALEXANDRIA! Our enemies are literal Alexandrians today!

Infinite Architect & ThyWordIsTruth #fundie youtube.com

(=A comment thread in a Universalist educational video=)

Infinite Architect: You are a false teacher preaching annihilationism which is unbiblical. You will be held accountable for everyone you deceive.? [...] Did you even watch it? He is saying hell is just a temporary place where you get "refined" and you will eventually make it to heaven and the devil is going to heaven too. This is total heresy and sends a dangerous message to lost people because it makes them think they will escape eternal Hell and they can sin all they want and not have to worry. This clown thinks he has stumbled across special knowledge but he is just a fool twisting scripture and preaching some strange perverted form of Universalism. You can follow him into Hell if you want, it's your freewill to do so.?

ThyWordIsTruth: AMEN brother. Here we go again, someone trying to correct the Greek and Hebrew and using their own private interpretation. Now to the OWNER OF THIS CHANNEL, your problem is that you've either been deceived by a reprobate bible scholar or you hate what the word of God says. Revelation 14:11 KJV says: " And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." Apparently you have more knowledge than 54 of some of the worlds greatest scholars who translated the King James Bible and you obviously believe in a "god" who cannot perfectly preserve his word for future generations. You are a fool and if you don't repent and TRULY put your faith in the Lord Jesus of the BIBLE, you will find out that the lake of fire is a place of eternal torment.

truth96130: @ Infinite Architect Just because people believe that judgment is not forever, that does not mean they will think they can sin all they like with no consequences. There are many crimes that do not have a life sentence.Does everyone think (I think I will commit all those crimes because the punishment is not forever)? Nope.?

ThyWordIsTruth: If you are gullible enough to believe this man than you have a big problem. Not only is he wrong but in denying the TRUTH of eternal hell is to deny a fundamental of the Christian faith! Also it is NOT foolish to believe that the KJV is the perfectly preserved word of God for the English speaking people. Have you heard the saying 'a little Greek is a dangerous thing?' Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.?

truth96130: 1. "He is trying to correct the Greek and Hebrew and using their own private interpretation."-- What part of (the Greek word translated as torment, is touchstone) is a private interpretation ? Look it up before you accuse. 2. "He has either been deceived or hates what the word of God says." --Calling people deceived because they know something you did not know.
does not mean they are deceived. Try to study up on the Greek word they translated (torture) before you falsely accuse someone. 3. "Revelation 14:11" --Is the book of revelation filled with metaphors, symbols and figures of speech? Yes. Does torment have smoke? No. Does smoke rise up forever? No. Can there be a forever after forever? No because the first forever will never end. Can people never rest? Only if they have an infinite amount of energy. Do people have an infinite amount of energy? No. Apparently your taking what is not literal and trying to say it is. 4. "Apparently you have more knowledge than 54 of some of the worlds greatest scholars who translated the King James Bible." Question --If the KJV translators were so perfect in their translation, than why did they give Alternate translations to over 1000 bible verses (in the margins) and many of them had different meanings. If they got (the original one right) there is no need to put another one in the margins. 5. "You obviously believe in a "god" who cannot perfectly preserve his word for future generations." --Are you saying that God will not allow any one to make a miscopy in a bible? A) Yes. B) No. 6. "TRULY put your faith in the Lord Jesus of the BIBLE." --What name is the only one by which we must be saved??

truth96130: 1. Any one that interprets the bible differently than you do are all false teachers? When you become God, than you can assume your interpretation is perfect. 2. He is not deceiving people just because he interprets the bible differently than you do. 3. "This is total heresy." --No, what you were taught is heresy. Because it teaches God is the eternal oppressor and the opposite of the savor to the majority of mankind. 4. "He is a clown because he thinks he has special knowledge." --Personal attacks prove nothing. Back it up with scripture if you can. If you can't than you have no argument.?

Hope Remains: The KJV is just as flawed as any other English version. I have nearly 40 years experience working with scripture in the original languages, and taught Hebrew and Greek for many years. God preserved His word in the original languages. That preservation does NOT extend to any translation. The KJV translators were charged with creating a Bible that would support the teachings of the Anglican Church. As a result, they tampered with numerous verses to bring the Bible into line with church doctrine. Further, KJV, like some other versions, contains a verse the translators almost certainly knew was a fraud. 1 John 5:7, as found in KJV, et al, is called the Johannine Comma. It cannot be found in ANY ancient Greek manuscript of the New Testament, nor in any of the early Latin versions. It first appeared in late versions of the Vulgate, added by some anonymous monk copying over the text. It breaks the sense of the passage, and there is not a legitimate Bible scholar in the world who thinks John wrote it. It did not find its way into a Greek version until the 11th century, when someone scribbled it into the margin of a Greek New Testament. When Erasmus created his Greek manuscript, he revised it to agree with late versions of the Vulgate, which was a huge mistake. The translators of KJV chose to ignore all the ancient Greek texts at their disposal, and used primarily Erasmus' so-called Textus Receptus, a seriously flawed version. There is no real substitute for taking the time to learn the original languages and studying scripture as originally written. 2 Timothy 2:15.?

ThyWordIsTruth: You mean the translators of the KJV chose to ignore the manuscripts that don't agree with one another? So to have the perfect word of God we have to learn Greek and Hebrew, what rubbish. Well go on then take your Novum Testamentum Graece and preach it to people on the street.?

Hope Remains: Hmmm... perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension. There are small differences in all Greek manuscripts. No two agree completely. The KJV translators rejected all the older, more authoritative manuscripts, in favor of a flawed manuscript that was only about 100 years old. Now, if you want to put all your faith in a Bible translated (poorly) from that flawed manuscript, go for it. But don't expect God to applaud that decision. You also ignored the fact that KJV contains a verse that is a proven fraud. I guess you don't care about that either.?

ThyWordIsTruth: Well don't expect God to applaud a bible like the NIV that says the Jesus fell from heaven and not Lucifer like the NIV in Isaiah 14:12.?

Hope Remains: I am no fan of NIV. There is no fully accurate vernacular Bible. But in NIV's defense, it does NOT say Jesus fell from heaven in that verse. KJV uses the word Lucifer, which is a lousy translation of the Hebrew word Heylel, which means "Daystar." That name was given by God to the devil when he was first created as a cherub. After he fell, God reclaimed the name for Himself, and the former Heylel became known as Satan.?

truth96130: If you want to get technical, it can be a dangerous thing to know no Greek. You said--"You mean the translators of the KJV chose to ignore the manuscripts that don't agree with one another ?" --Thats wrong, in fact they did use manuscripts that did not all agree with one another. That is why they had alternate translations in the margins of the very first KJV bible. I am still waiting for an answer. Question--Is it possible for there to be a miscopy in a KJV bible? A) Yes. B) No. Rather than just accusing him of being wrong with out backing it up, tell us exactly what he said that
was (wrong) and then explain to us the correct way. If you can not do that, than you have no argument.?

Conservapedia #fundie truthdig.com

A group of conservatives is working on “a thought-for-thought translation” of the Bible “without corruption by liberal bias.” Yes, that Bible. The organization seeks to create a document that, among other things, is “Not Emasculated,” that “Express[es] Free Market Parables” and that favors “conciseness [over] the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio.” That Jesus was such a wordy socialist.

According to the brains at Conservapedia, the Web site responsible, liberal tendencies in the previous versions of the Bible can’t be blamed on poor translation alone. The fault also lies in “lack of precision in the original language. … ” You don’t say.

Before you scoff, know that Conservapedia has anticipated your derision. “[L]iberals will oppose this effort,” the site warns. “ut they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds.”

The group’s guidelines for the Conservative Bible Project are below. — PS

Conservapedia via Swampland:

As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias
Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, “gender inclusive” language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level
Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop; defective translations use the word “comrade” three times as often as “volunteer”; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as “word”, “peace”, and “miracle”.
Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as “gamble” rather than “cast lots”; using modern political terms, such as “register” rather than “enroll” for the census
Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word “Lord” rather than “Jehovah” or “Yahweh” or “Lord God.”

Thus, a project has begun among members of Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The [partly] translated Bible can be found here.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

One of the biggest and most popular lies that I hear people repeat over and over again nowadays is that we are all God's children. The claim that all mankind are God's children is a filthy lie of the Devil. It's just not true. The question is whether or not you believe that the Bible is God's inspired Word.

Ecumenicalists (unequal yokes between Christians and the religious unsaved), New Agers (followers of a one-world religious philosophy) and Modernists (unsaved people who masquerade as Christians) teach that everyone is a child of God, regardless of their religious beliefs or what God they have faith in. C.S. Lewis was a modernist, as was Martin Luther King Jr., and John Edward. Oprah Winfrey is a New Ager. Billy Graham is Mr. Ecumenical himself, who founded the apostate ChristianityToday magazine.

These are NOT God's children, because they are all CURSED as Galatians 1:7-9 warns for teaching ANOTHER Gospel. Galatians 1:9, “As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” 2nd Corinthians 11:3 speaks concerning the “SIMPLICITY” that is in Christ, and verse 4 warns about false prophets who come to us introducing ANOTHER Jesus, ANOTHER spirit, or ANOTHER Gospel.

The Devil is very subtle, a master deceiver and professional liar (John 8:44). If you're a genuine born-again, Bible-believing Christian, then you know that the Catholic religion is of the Devil because they follow the TRADITIONS of men instead of keeping God's commandments (Mark 7:6-13; Matthew 7:21-23; Romans 10:3-4; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; Romans 4:5-6). God is NOT impressed one bit with your own self-righteousness (Isaiah 64:6; Romans 3:20; 10:3-4).

We learn in Galatians 3:26 that we become children of God only BY FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS. Amen! So when someone tells me that we are all God's children, I quote to them the words Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3:3, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” “YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN” (John 3:7)!

Very few people are God's children, because hardly anyone is saved. Luke 13:23-24, “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.”

No Dhimmi #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

Global Warming Fascist Movement & Academic Welfare

Winston Churchill said that “History is written by the victors.” That is so true even among Establishment Academics. Anyone who thinks that Global Warming is really caused by man is naive to say the least. They have taken the equivalent of 5 trading days and pronounced that the stock market is in a perpetual bull cycle. Taking the introduction of automobiles since 1920 and claiming this has altered the entire weather system of millions of years with no investigation into cyclical weather cycles over millions of years (Ice Ages), is just bogus analysis with a political agenda.


Global Warming is all about money and raising taxes for politicians to pay for their pensions and support all the illegitimate children. Among academics, this is a religion, but they are also just corrupt socialists. Money pours into academia to create bogus studies to support the theory of Global Warming for taxing power as well as other agendas. So, Establishment Academics line up like those in the inner city on welfare check day to get their welfare checks to put out studies on all sorts of things with a predetermined conclusion. There is no “think tank” in Washington that really thinks. They all have a biased agenda if it is weather, archaeology, religion, history, all the way to economics and politics.

The Establishment Academics are becoming just fascist Marxists hell-bent on manipulating society for personal gain and power. Establishment Academics are notoriously against free speech for they always threaten and black-list anyone who disagrees with them. The famous Swedish climatologist Lennart Bengtsson joined a group that is skeptical about Global Warming. He was intimidated until he was forced to resign.

Global Warming is another hidden agenda. The politicians are eager to climb on board not to save the world, but to raise taxes. The academics are driven by the money so they can sit in their rooms collect welfare checks for totally worthless nonsense.

[link to armstrongeconomics.com]


The Global Warming crowd is the MOST unethical and corrupt group of pretend scientists ever to exist. When I was called upon for research back to form the G5 and then wrote the White House warning that manipulating the dollar down would create volatility and a crash within two years (1987), I was told I would never again be asked by government for anything. I was told outright to do studies then provide the conclusion up front and I would earn millions of dollars a year for bogus research reports. I said – no thanks! This is the way government studies are funded and conducted. They ALWAYS tout the desired end result to support some predetermined objective. Government studies are simply an exercise in political corruption no matter what the field.
- - Martin Armstrong

[link to www.armstrongeconomics.com]

Since the first Earth Day in 1970, writes Ronald Bailey in the May 2000 issue of Reason magazine, these wild apocalyptic predictions have been made:

"We have about five more years at the outside to do something," ecologist Kenneth Watt declared to a Swarthmore College audience on April 19, 1970.

Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind."

"We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," Washington University biologist Barry Commoner wrote in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.

On the day after the first Earth Day, the usually staid New York Times editorialized, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction."

"Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born," wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled "Eco-Catastrophe!" "By...[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s."

[link to reason.com (secure)]


More recently, the master of all global warming alarmists is former Vice President and current multimillionaire Al Gore, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for a fraudulent climate change film after predicting in 2009 that by 2014, the North Pole would be completely ice-free thanks to the burning of fossil fuels.

There are more examples, of course, but you get the idea. What is worse is that governments, including our own, are making public policy based on these bogus assertions – rules that hurt employers, workers and entire industries.

The Global Insiders know Global Cooling is our future:

"The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 - 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations."

Full agenda here:

[link to www.bilderbergmeetings.org]

So, why do they sell Global Warming to the sheep?

Global Warming a Front - Hidden Goal Uses the environmental movement to reduce population.

Insight from Martin Armstrong

I attended the dinner in Washington that was a political bash. I went with my friend Dick Fox who was Chairman of Temple University at that time. The person in charge of seating put the two of us at the table with the environmental group heads. They assumed we were with a university and spoke freely. The conversation was frank and it was all about how to use the environmental movement to reduce population. They fought for wetlands to stop construction. We listened to this revelation and Dick egged them on pretending to be on their side. They even want harsh prison terms for minorities to stop them from have children. Dick finally asked them – Whose grandchild are you trying to prevent from being born? Your’s or mine? The farce was then up.

There is a difference from wanting a clean environment and using this as a tool for a hidden agenda. It is no different from taxing the rich that ends up as always the middle class while they borrow from the poor and do not even pay them interest with their annual tax refund.

[link to armstrongeconomics.com]

A climate scientist and glacier expert from Washington State who correctly predicted back in 2000 that the Earth was entering a cooling phase – says to expect colder temperatures for at least the next two decades.

In contrast, Gore and the IPCC’s computer models predicted “a big increase” in global warming by as much as one degree per decade. But the climate models used by the IPCC have proved to be wrong, with many places in Europe and North America now experiencing record-breaking cold.

[link to www.cnsnews.com]

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

It was an ugly divorce, by my wife's choosing. When she left me in March of 2006, I had a forgiving spirit from the very beginning, starting my Soulwinning.info website in May of 2006 to “overcome evil with good” as the Bible says (Romans 12:21). U.S. sheriffs brought a divorce summons to my workplace in June of 2006. It came as a total surprise shock to me, like getting hit by a Mack truck. I wept uncontrollably for 3 hours. Once she signed the divorce papers, her ungodly attorney went to town destroying my life. I lost my paid home as a result of the divorce. I have been renting an apartment since I lost my home. My ongoing legal expenses reached $64,000, all coming out of my home. It didn't cost my x-wife one single penny, because she obtained a free-probono lawyer. This is how ungodly the courts are today. I am not bitter, I am just stating the facts. I have placed everything into God's hands and have perfect peace in my heart. I chose to LET GO, LET GOD!

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I crawled into an independent Baptist church on Guam in November of 2013, and found some friends, so I thought, and started regaining my emotional strength. But because of my King James Bible only views, the Bob Jones camp at Harvest Baptist Church kicked me out in November of 2014. The associate pastor called Dr. Jack Hyles and me “a cult.” The pastors were upset over the excellent book, “NIV: The Antichrist's Bible” by Dr. Al Lacy, which I had given to the senior pastor as a gift. They were also offended by the doctrinally-sound book titled, “I Never Knew You” by Michael P. Bowen, which exposes false prophet Ray Comfort. I didn't realize at the time that the church had invited Ray Comfort in 2007 to speak at their church. So they kicked me out! I have been struggling to find a church family ever since on Guam, unable to do so, trying to get my life back on track, serving God and doing the best that I can on my own. It hasn't been easy. The people whom I had grown close to at Harvest Baptist Church in Watchcare Meetings in their homes, and at church and church events, for one year, and I loved, totally gave up on me and abandoned me when their pastors kicked me out. They just forgot about me completely. It felt like another divorce!

In desperation for fellowship I even contacted that same church earlier this year in March of 2017, all three pastors, humbly requesting permission just to attend their church services (with my promise not to cause any problems), just so I could be around other believers, but three times they denied my sincere request, telling me to go away. They are holding a grudge (James 5:9). It is best, since they don't believe right. I am presently praying and looking for a city to relocate to in the states. This has been a very difficult decision for me. There are literally tens of thousands of places to live in America. I am looking at independent Baptist churches, because that is what I need most, a church family. Lord willing, if and when I find a wife, or decide on a place to move, I will do so with the Lord as my strength. Psalms 27:14, “Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.”

Albeit, due to my neck pain, I am not able to be at all the services, which is why I am on disability. When I went to Harvest, I made myself go to church most of the time, because I wanted to be there, but it was difficult for me. I cannot tell you in words how much my neck pain dominates my life. As I type, the toothache-like pain is horrible, in the bony area of the back of my neck. I so much want to find a wife, as I have lived on my own for 11 long years, but don't want to marry a mean person, so I am being careful. I even signed up for eharmony, which so far hasn't worked out. I guess there aren't many single independent Baptist women out there! I pray daily for God's help and guidance (Philippians 2:13). Clearly, my situation is difficult, and I ask for your prayers. It is easy for people to judge at a distance. I judge no one. My own loss, emotional trauma and sufferings have humbled me and made me a much more understanding, forgiving and loving Christian. I am the biggest sinner I know, and I don't judge anyone.

Chick Publications #fundie chick.com

A recent article in Christianity Today is headlined: “Pop Francis: Why Everyone Loves the Pope.” It lauds Francis’ “unscripted” style “committed to breaking down the often-bitter rivalry between evangelicals and Catholics.” It mentions his recent apology to Italian Evangelicals for the Catholic religion’s participation in persecution of Pentecostals prior to World War II.

Note this statement from the article: “At the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church adopted a much more biblical approach, transforming its worship and fundamentally changing its relation to modern secular culture.”

How does a new PR campaign and an updated system of rituals make it more biblical? To be more biblical, purgatory would have to go, along with worship of the wafer-god and virgin goddess, works salvation, and the pope’s claim that tradition and the Magisterium are equal to or supersede Scripture.

Even after all these changes, we would have to ask, which Bible? Author David W. Daniels points out in his book, Why They Changed the Bible, how all modern Bibles are increasingly slanted to support Rome’s pagan dogmas. An entire section is devoted to the scheme to include the Apocrypha in the Bible. He describes how the Bible societies were, from the beginning, infiltrated with Jesuits or Vatican sympathizers. Bible societies agreed not only to change text wording to favor unbiblical Catholic teaching, but to add in the Apocrypha whenever requested. Bible translators all over the world are subject to a 1960s agreement with the Vatican to add the Apocrypha to any translation if the Catholic people groups ask for it. The history and tragic results of this are detailed in Why They Changed the Bible.

Seminaries all over the world are starting to require their students to get Bibles complete with something called the “Deuterocanonicals.” This is another word for what we know as the Apocrypha. It is also a deceptive word. It makes the reader think these fairytales, superstitions and occultism are actually a “secondary canon” on a level just below scripture —“scripture lite.” The truth is that they have raised men’s words to the level of God’s words and have lowered God’s words to the level of man’s.

The Vatican desperately needs the Apocrypha in the Bible. When they cannot distort a Bible passage to fit one of their pagan doctrines, they resort to the Apocrypha. For example, their teaching of purgatory is based on the Apocryphal books of 2 Maccabees 12:45 and Tobit 12:9. Using money to pay for sins  appears in Ecclesiasticus 3:30 “Water will quench a flaming fire; and alms maketh an atonement for sins.”

The Apocrypha also contains such strange advice as using smoked fish liver to dispel demons (Tobit 6), and suggest that suicide, in some cases, is manly and noble (2 Maccabees 14:37-46). Strange historical inaccuracies also appear, such as the death records of Antiochus Epiphanes, who must have died twice when you compare 2 Maccabees 2:13-16 to 9:1-29. A search of Christianbook.com turns up 46 items for sale related to the Deuterocanonicals/Apocrypha, with over two dozen Bibles that include them. Supposedly these are only for Roman Catholics, but Daniels’ research discovered that the groundwork has been laid over the decades within the Bible Societies to ultimately produce a Bible with the Apocrypha and subtle watering-down to create one world Bible for one world religion. This Jesuit pope’s PR campaign continues to sugarcoat the bait in the trap for Evangelicals who have already swallowed the poison of the modern (Catholic) versions.

Bruce Atkinson #fundie disqus.com

(=Two quotes by same fundie on the same thread=)

Hey, there are NO English words in the original scriptures, which are in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. But biblical scholars for 2000 years have agreed that the Sodom and Gomorrah story in Genesis 18-19 is mostly about sex (and only a little about hospitality). A normal reading the text makes this clear to any literate person who does not have a LGBTQ bias. Jude 1:7 clarifies the argument completely. The Jews and early Christians were of the same mind in interpreting the Genesis story. And for 2000 years no one has refuted it. Why people do now is obvious....their motivation is to make it seem that homosexuality is not a part of the story and that it is not a sin (despite Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, and Deuteronomy 23:18, not to mention the NT passages in Romans 1 and 2 Corinthians 6). They really don't care what the Bible says, they are going to do what they want to do.

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Jude 1:7 indicates that the Sodom and Gomorrah fiasco was not just about hospitality. A normal read of the text in most English translations also reflects that it was about pansexuality and rape. Check out Genesis 18-19 yourself. The LGBTQ crowd hates this and constantly tries revise the scriptures to mean something that no one has every before this half-century has ever thought them to mean. 2000 years of scholarly study has consistently interpreted the story to be about homosexuality and rape (far more than inhospitality, which may also be part of the picture)-- which is where "sodomy" got its name.

Eivind Berge #fundie female-offenders.com

Your site is based on a fundamental falsehood. Since sex is a female resource, there can be no female sexual offenders. All “victims” of a woman’s sexual acts are simply lucky, period, and I refuse to see it any other way. Women are sex objects, not sex offenders. Sex is something women have and men and boys want. The lie that women can be sex offenders is a horrible insult to men, who in fact face a reality of sexual scarcity most of the time, making it utterly impossible to sympathize with males who have a luxury problem of too much sexual attention from a woman. They are NOT victims

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

Ladies and gentleman, Satan has full-blown taken over the churches today, and we have a duty as born-again believers to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 1:3b). The $64,000 question is: Do you care? The Bob Jones University (BJU) camp don't care, that's for sure! I know they don't care because BJU sells corruptible seed. I know they don't care because the biggest independent Baptist church on Guam (full of BJU alumni) sells corruptible seed. I know they don't care because when I placed THE TRUTH (a book titled: “NIV: THE ANTICHRIST'S BIBLE” by Pastor Al Lacy) directly into the pastor's hands, and the assistant pastor's hands, they called me and Dr. Jack Hyles “a cult.” They intentionally rejected THE TRUTH (Hosea 4:6). They are no better than the ungodly Pharisees, who fully rejected THE TRUTH, choosing rather to follow their own manmade ideas. Mark 7:9, “And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” I may die without a wife, but I won't die being a coward like the Bob Jones crowd! I will PREACH in love until my last dying breath!!!

Moody Bible Institute, Bob Jones University, Pensacola Christian College, Hyles-Anderson College, Crown Bible College—ALL COWARDS, NEUTRAL IN THE WORK OF GOD (these institutions ALL deny the inspiration of the King James Bible, and they are all A.W.O.L. form THE BATTLE OF THE AGES over God's Word. All they care about is making more MONEY. It makes any born-again, God-fearing, truth-teller, sick!!!)...

“God has a special rebuke, again and again and again in the Bible, toward those people who keep their neutrality in the work of God!”
—SOURCE: Dr. Jack Hyles, a quote from the great MP3 sermon, “Where Were You In The Battle?”

Getting souls saved important, but if we don't “strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die:” (Revelation 3:2b), there won't be any soulwinning in the future, because the aforementioned institutions will all be teaching an accursed Lordship Salvation (which the modern Bible versions teach). It is of the absolute utmost important that Bible-believing Christians denounce, expose and extricate these Satanic modern versions from all of our churches.

Do you know, a wonderful thing happened in 2017. The long-time Communist, Bible-banning, Cuban government finally permitted God's Word into their country. But get this, they told Biblica to take their free shipment of 17,000 NIV's to Cuba, to take their crap and GO TO HELL!!! Boy, I love that! Way to go Cuban government!!! Somebody did their homework. I hope they read my ministry website!!! Yeah buddy! To Hell with Biblica and their accursed New International Version (NIV)!!! To Hell with Bob Jones University and their English Standard PERversion (ESV). I say that lovingly, with a broken heart over the INDIFFERENCE among professed Christians today toward heresy, corruptible seed, and Satan creeping multiple false gospels into the churches!

Bruce Atkinson #fundie patheos.com

The whole issue of homosexuality is deliberately rigged in God's favor. Just check out the scriptures:: Matthew 19:4-6 (defining marriage), Genesis 1-2 (defining the image of God as male and female), Genesis 18-19 (Sodom and Gomorrah), Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13,
Deuteronomy 23:18, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Timothy 1:10. Jude 1:7 refers to Genesis 19:1-11, the Sodom and Gomorrah incident. These scriptures condemn homosexual behavior as sin, even calling it an abomination that of course, without repentance and amendment of life, will keep you out of heaven. Additionally, there are many more scriptures that condemn sexual sin in general, which is defined as any sexual behavior outside of male-female marriage (this then must logically include homosexual behavior).

Chastity, sexual purity and sexual faithfulness in marriage are virtues valued highly all through the Bible. Their opposite is always condemned. I challenge dissenters to show me the scriptures which say that homosexuality is a good thing or even to be tolerated. They never can meet this challenge because such scriptures don’t exist. In order to maintain the heresy that committed homosexual relationships (and the sexual acts which accompany them) are not sin, a person must of necessity disbelieve and denigrate scripture. This means ignoring it, demeaning it, minimizing its authority, revising it, or re-interpreting it to fit one’s own point of view. This is because the scriptures are quite clear about sex being only right and holy within heterosexual marriage.

C.E. Carlson #conspiracy rense.com

The French author, Alexis de Tocqueville, wrote Democracy in America when he traveled here in the first third of the 19th Century. In ringing tones he sang the praises of America's invulnerable strength and spirit. He attributed its greatness to its citizens' sense of morality... even with the abundant church attendances he observed in America. De Tocqueville wrote in French and is credited with this familiar quote: AMERICA IS GREAT BECAUSE SHE IS GOOD, AND IF AMERICA EVER CEASES TO BE GOOD, SHE WILL CEASE TO BE GREAT.

De Tocqueville could see the power of America, but he could not have known in 1830 that she was soon to be under an attack aimed at its churches and the very sense of morality that he extolled.

First, there was a War Between the States, which scarred the powerful young nation in its strapping youth. A worse attack on America was to commence near the turn of the 20th century. This was the onset of an attack on American Christianity that continues unabated against the traditional, Christ-following church. This attack, which author Gordon Ginn calls "The final Apostasy," began with a small very wealthy and determined European political movement. It had a dream, and the American churches stood in its way.

The World Zionist movement, as its Jewish founders called themselves, had plans to acquire a homeland for all Jews worldwide, even though most were far from homeless, and many did not want another home. Not any land would do. World Zionists wanted a specific property that American Christians called "the Holy Land." But if these Zionists read "Democracy in America" or any of the journals of any of America's churches, which no doubt they did, they could not help but know that Jerusalem was not theirs to have. As self-proclaimed Jews, they were, according to the Christian New Testament, the persecutors of Christ and most of his early followers, and the engineers of his crucifixion. America's traditional churches in the 19th Century would never stand for a Jewish occupation of Jesus' homeland.

World Zionist leaders initiated a program to change America and its religious orientation. One of the tools used to accomplish this goal was an obscure and malleable Civil War veteran named Cyrus I. Schofield. A much larger tool was a venerable, world respected European book publisher--The Oxford University Press.

The scheme was to alter the Christian view of Zionism by creating and promoting a pro-Zionist subculture within Christianity. Scofield's role was to re-write the King James Version of the Bible by inserting Zionist-friendly notes in the margins, between verses and chapters, and on the bottoms of the pages. The Oxford University Press used Scofield, a pastor by then, as the Editor, probably because it needed such as man for a front. The revised bible was called the Scofield Reference Bible, and with limitless advertising and promotion, it became a best-selling "bible" in America and has remained so for 90 years.

The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation, subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new worship icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet exist, but which was already on the drawing boards of the committed, well-funded authors of World Zionism.

Scofield's support came from a movement that took root around the turn of the century, supposedly motivated by disillusionment over what it considered the stagnation of the mainline American churches. Some of these "reformers" were later to serve on Scofield's Editorial Committee.

Scofield imitated a chain of past heretics and rapturists, most of whose credibility fizzled over their faulty end times prophesies. His mentor was one John Nelson Darby from Scotland, who was associated with the Plymouth Brethren and who made no less than six evangelical trips to the US selling what is today called "Darbyism." It is from Darby that Scofield is thought to have learned his Christian Zionist theology, which he later planted in the footnotes of the Scofield Reference Bible. It is possible that Scofield's interest in Darbyism was shared by Oxford University Press, for Darby was known to Oxford University. A History of The Plymouth Brethren By William Blair Neatby, M.A.

The Oxford University Press owned "The Scofield Reference Bible" from the beginning, as indicated by its copyright, and Scofield stated he received handsome royalties from Oxford. Oxford's advertisers and promoters succeeded in making Scofield's bible, with its Christian Zionist footnotes, a standard for interpreting scripture in Judeo-Christian churches, seminaries, and Bible study groups. It has been published in at least four editions since its introduction in 1908 and remains one of the largest selling Bibles ever.

The Scofield Reference Bible and its several clones is all but worshiped in the ranks of celebrity Christians, beginning with the first media icon, evangelist Billy Graham. Of particular importance to the Zionist penetration of American Christian churches has been the fast growth of national bible study organizations, such as Bible Study Fellowship and Precept Ministries. These draw millions of students from not only evangelical fundamentalist churches, but also from Catholic and mainline Protestant churches and non-church contacts. These invariably teach forms of "dispensationalism," which draw their theory, to various degrees, from the notes in the Oxford Bible.

Among more traditional churches that encourage, and in some cases recommend, the use of the Scofield Reference Bible is the huge Southern Baptist Convention of America, whose capture is World Zionism's crowning achievement. Our report on Southern Baptist Zionism, entitled "The Cause of the Conflict: Fixing Blame.

Scofield, whose work is largely believed to be the product of Darby and others, wisely chose not to change the text of the King James Edition. Instead, he added hundreds of easy-to-read footnotes at the bottom of about half of the pages, and as the Old English grammar of the KJE becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of readers, students become increasingly dependent on the modern language footnotes.

Scofield's notes weave parts of the Old and New Testaments together as though all were written at the same time by the same people. This is a favorite device of modern dispensationalists who essentially weigh all scripture against the unspoken and preposterous theory that the older it is, the more authoritative. In many cases the Oxford references prove to be puzzling rabbit trails leading nowhere, simply diversions. Scofield's borrowed ideas were later popularized under the labels and definitions that have evolved into common usage today--"pre-millennialism," "dispensationalism," "Judeo-Christianity," and most recently the highly political movement openly called "Christian Zionism."

Thanks to the work of a few dedicated researchers, much of the questionable personal history of Cyrus I. Scofield is available. It reveals he was not a Bible scholar as one might expect, but a political animal with the charm and talent for self-promotion of a Bill Clinton. Scofield's background reveals a criminal history, a deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a penchant for self-serving lies. He was exactly the sort of man the World Zionists might hire to bend Christian thought--a controllable man and one capable of carrying the secret to his grave. (See The Incredible Scofield and His Book by Joseph M. Canfield).

Other researchers have examined Scofield's eschatology and exposed his original work as apostate and heretic to traditional Christian views. Among these is a massive work by Stephen Sizer entitled Christian Zionism, Its History, Theology and Politics, Christ Church Vicarage, Virginia Water, GU25 4LD, England

We Hold These Truths is grateful to these dedicated researchers. Our own examination of the Oxford Bible has gone in another direction, focusing not on what Scofield wrote, but on some of the many additions and deletions The Oxford University Press has continued to make to Scofield Reference Bible since his death in 1921. These alterations have further radicalized the Scofield Bible into a manual for the Christian worship of the State of Israel beyond what Schofield would have dreamed of. This un-Christian anti-Arab theology has permitted the theft of Palestine and 54 years of death and destruction against the Palestinians, with hardly a complaint from the Judeo-Christian mass media evangelists or most other American church leaders. We thank God for the exceptions.

It is no exaggeration to say that the 1967 Oxford 4th Edition deifies--makes a God of--the State of Israel, a state that did not even exist when Scofield wrote the original footnotes in 1908. This writer believes that, had it not been for misguided anti-Arab race hatred promoted by Christian Zionist leaders in America, neither the Gulf War nor the Israeli war against the Palestinians would have occurred, and a million or more people who have perished would be alive today.

What proof does WHTT have to incriminate World Zionism in a scheme to control Christianity? For proof we offer the words themselves that were planted in the 1967 Edition, 20 years after the State of Israel was created in 1947, and 46 years after Scofield's death. The words tell us that those who control the Oxford Press recreated a bible to misguide Christians and sell flaming Zionism in the churches of America.

There is little reason to believe that Scofield knew or cared much about the Zionist movement, but at some point, he became involved in a close and secret relationship with Samuel Untermeyer, a New York lawyer whose firm still exists today and one of the wealthiest and most powerful World Zionists in America. Untermeyer controlled the unbreakable thread that connected him with Scofield. They shared a password and a common watering hole--and it appears that Untermeyer may have been the one who provided the money that Scofield himself lacked. Scofield's success as an international bible editor without portfolio and his lavish living in Europe could only have been accomplished with financial aid and international influence.

This connection might have remained hidden, were it not for the work of Joseph M. Canfield, the author and researcher who discovered clues to the thread in Scofield family papers. But even had the threads connecting Scofield to Untermeyer and Zionism never been exposed, it would still be obvious that that connection was there. It is significant that Oxford, not Scofield, owned the book, and that after Scofield's death, Oxford accelerated changes to it. Since the death of its original author and namesake, The Scofield Reference Bible has gone through several editions. Massive pro-Zionist notes were added to the 1967 edition, and some of Scofield's most significant notes from the original editions were removed where they apparently failed to further Zionist aims fast enough. Yet this edition retains the title, "The New Scofield Reference Bible, Holy Bible, Editor C.I. Scofield." It's anti-Arab, Christian subculture theology has made an enormous contribution to war, turning Christians into participants in genocide against Arabs in the latter half of the 20th century.

Hartmut #fundie barenakedislam.com

No matter where in the western world you do a poll among Muslims, the outcome is pretty much the same

– about a third consider themselves ‘moderate’ and law abiding – which doesn’t mean too much since they are still supporting radicals driving the agenda
– another third strongly advocate Sharia law which should be implemented in their host countries in replacement of secular laws and Islam should be the only ‘religion’ allowed
– the rest openly sympathizes with or is actively taking part in violent, jihadi terror action in the streets to forcefully convert and even kill or rape the infidel, indigenous population and apostates, no matter which age.

As long as there are enough leftist idiotic policy makers around nothing will be done to contain this malaise.

David J. Stewart #fundie soulwinning.info

Take a look at 1st Timothy 3:16b in the inspired King James Bible, versus the English Standard Version (ESV) that Bob Jones University sanctions, uses and sells; and kindly take a look at the Easy-To-Read Version (ERV) that Harvest Baptist Church on Guam sanctions, uses and sells; and take a look at several other modern PERversions...

KJB - “God was manifest in the flesh”

ESV - “He was manifested in the flesh”

ERV - “Christ was shown to us in human form”

NRSV - “He was revealed in flesh”

NIV - “He appeared in the flesh”

RSV - “He was manifested in the flesh”

TLB - “Christ, who came to earth as a man”

NCV - “He was shown to us in a human body”

NLT - “Christ was revealed in a human body”

TLV - “He was revealed in the flesh”

HCSB - “He was manifested in the flesh”

CEB - “he was revealed as a human”

MSG - “He appeared in a human body”

VOICE - “He was revealed in the flesh”

Where is God?

Where is God?

I said where is God? They removed Him!

Kindly, with powdered sugar on top—SHAME ON BOB JONES UNIVERSITY! And kindly, with candy sprinkles—SHAME ON HARVEST BAPTIST CHURCH ON GUAM!!! Shame on all of them for promoting this ungodly corrupt filth!!! The Devil's Bible versions have REMOVED GOD FROM 1ST TIMOTHY 3:16!!! Where's Waldo? Oh sorry! Where's God?

I could have quoted the same corrupt rendering of 1st Timothy 3:16 from several dozen more PERversions of God's Word. Look again for yourself, how Satan's Bible revisions (all from Westcott and Hort's corrupt 1881: The New Testament In The Original Greek), change 1st Timothy 3:16 to eliminate the deity of Jesus Christ! It is wickedness!!! Did you know that the Jehovah's Witness New World Translation (NWT) was also translated from Westcott and Hort's translation? Am I such a bad person for refuting this heresy, so despised that Harvest Baptist Church on Guam has banned me from returning to their church family since 2014? I very much love them all, but they don't love THE TRUTH!!!

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "HollyWeird's New NAMBLA Inspired Movie Promotes Sexual Immorality & Child Rape"

Just when you thought the world was full of sin and couldn't get any worse, it proves that sin is never satisfied (just as the Holy Bible states).
There's a new movie out, "Call Me By Your Name," about an American professor who falls for his male student.

Actor James Woods spoke out about it stating:

"As they quietly chip away the last barriers of decency. #NAMBLA".

His comment was immediately met with the equivalency of, "Your sin is no better than my sin" from NAMBLA sympathizers...a convenient dodge considering that women and men were created to compliment each other and is not a sin but what that movie is promoting is not only an abomination, but an attempt for child rapists to segue into raping even younger children. The young man in the movie is 19, an adult teenager, but expect the wicked to try to keep going younger and younger as sin is never satisfied AND their goal is to legalize child rape.

One decent commenter responded with, ""When people have no God this is what happens." Of course the alt-left took that as nothing more than "hate", their regular habit of calling good evil and evil good.

NAMBLA stands for The North American Man/Boy Love Association, which reportedly fights to allow adult men to have male minor lovers. Men raping boys is a DISGUSTING ACT and ABOMINATION deserving of the death penalty!

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DISCLAIMER: I'm not very familiar with James Wood's past, but apparently it's sketchy. I pray for him and the other lost souls that are searching for something and only abusing themselves in the process.
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Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

jennylynn #fundie christiannews.net

I don't need to protest divorce because it is not being paraded with pride and shoved down our throats as normal nor is it forced on our children as acceptable.
Furthermore you really need to stop using the Mosaic law as your argument. It was 613 mosaic laws written for the Jews which were to be separate and holy before The Lord and disease free and cholesterol free, ie shellfish. It is amazing how people who love their sin misquote and misinterpret the truth. We are under the Moral Law of Christ which is all repeated in the New Testament. Sexual sin being one of them, including adultery and fornicators which is not being celebrated while mocking The Lord. All need to repent. God hates pride and sin.