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James L. Melton #fundie biblebelievers.com

Friend, we suffer and die because of SIN.

You say, "I didn't do anything wrong. Why am I a sinner?" We are all born with a sin nature. We inherited our fallen sin nature from Adam and Eve. Romans 5:12 says, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" We read in Romans 3:23 that ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God. Why do we suffer? We suffer because we are sinners by nature.

Some People Suffer for the Salvation of Lost Souls

Perhaps you are thinking, "Well, what's the point? What does God accomplish by allowing us to suffer?" Very simple: He's trying to tell us something. By allowing people to suffer, God is showing us that SOMETHING IS WRONG. If everything were alright between man and God, then there would be no sorrow and death, because in the beginning there was none. God is showing you every day of your life that man has been SEPARATED from Him because of sin, and that man is destined to an eternity in Hell Fire unless he comes to God for help. The fact that God allows suffering and agony today proves that He will allow it in eternity as well.

God doesn't ENJOY seeing anyone suffer, but He does ALLOW people to suffer for various reasons. If you've never received the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior, then God wants you to see your need to do so. Sometimes God has to allow tragedy to enter a life in order to get someone to look to Him for Salvation. As someone has said, "Some people won't look up to God until He puts them on their back." This is sad, but true. There are many people who would still be lost in their sins if God had not brought some tragedy into their life to get their attention.

Do you suppose the leper of Matthew 8:2 would have came to Jesus if he'd been in perfect health? What about the blind man of Luke 18:35? II Kings chapter five tells the story of Naman, the Syrian captain who had leprosy. Had this man not had leprosy, he would never have turned to God. The Bible is filled with cases where God reaches people through suffering. Nebuchadnezzar didn't fear God until God humbled him by making his spend seven years of his life on his hands and knees like an animal (Dan. 4:30-37).

Sometimes He will even use the tragedy of one to bring OTHERS to Christ. Such is the case with Lazarus in John chapter eleven. Lazarus was very sick, but before he ever died Jesus said that his sickness was "for the glory of God" (Jn. 11:2-4). Later, in John 11:45, we read that ". . . . many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him." We also read in John 12:11 that many believed on the Lord Jesus Christ BECAUSE OF LAZARUS. Had Lazarus not suffered and died, these people may never have come to know the Lord Jesus Christ. You see, God was in complete control. Jesus KNEW that Lazarus was sick, but He chose not to go and heal him (Jn. 11:6). He had a REASON for the sorrow and death in the family of Lazarus. No one suffers in vain. God always has a reason, and sometimes He is trying to show someone their need to receive the Lord Jesus Christ. Could this be true in your own life? Think about it. Could the Lord be convicting you of the fact that you are a sinner, and you need to be saved?

Dennis Lopez #fundie dennislopez.com

I recently watched a video posted by a YouTuber by the username of “Truth96130,” that is basically telling people Hell is not real and that it is a lie of the Devil that works for his benefit. Yes, seriously, Truth96130 really believes this. In the video a renowned and once respected Pastor by the name of “Carlton Pearson” claimed that God told him Hell is not real. I watched the entire video and gave it the complete chance to convince me that his claim was true. What it did convince me of is what the Bible had already warned me about, thanks to Jesus. I will demonstrate to you, the reader, with Bible verses that you can go look up yourself (not my philosophy), and the words of Jesus himself, how this claim is a full-fledged doctrine of demons.
“Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.” (NLT, 1 Timothy 4:1)

This verse by itself should be sufficient evidence for anyone to see that the “Hell doesn’t exist claim” is a trick of the devil to deceive those who are not strong with the Holy Spirit. The Bible warns us of false doctrines, false Prophets, and false Messiah’s. Did Pastor Carlton test the spirits? Did he pray on it and ask God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit for confirmation? I don’t think so, and neither did Truth96130. The devil is known for offering people things (sinful things) for instant gratification and happiness. God on the other hand is always patient and long-suffering, doing things at the right place and time. There is usually a lesson learned through a journey before you receive something from the Lord.
“Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.” (NLT, 1 John 4:1)

Then you have Jesus telling you himself about hell, are the words of Jesus not sufficient? Truth96130 gave no credit to what Jesus said, and said that Jesus spoke in parables which are not historical events. So only the historical things that Jesus spoke about have value and not parables? Are you kidding me? Jesus was teaching lessons about Heaven and Hell, why would it need to be something that happened? Besides, hypothetically it was happening, people were going to Heaven and Hell after death.
It’s these type of people who cherry pick and choose what is convenient to fit their lifestyles, so that they can continue to do what they know is sinful and not feel convicted of it. They are only tricking themselves, but the worst part is they are trying to take others with them! (See Figure 1)
“So ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.” (NLT, Matthew 15:14)

I refuse to let that happen, God ordered us to be the salt & light of the world.
“You are the salt of the earth. But what good is salt if it has lost its flavor? Can you make it salty again? It will be thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless. “You are the light of the world—like a city on a hilltop that cannot be hidden. No one lights a lamp and then puts it under a basket. Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your good deeds shine out for all to see, so that everyone will praise your heavenly Father.” (NLT, Matthew 5:13-16)

Here is another lesson about Heaven and Hell from Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.
“Jesus also told them other parables. He said, “The Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of a king who prepared a great wedding feast for his son. When the banquet was ready, he sent his servants to notify those who were invited. But they all refused to come! “So he sent other servants to tell them, ‘The feast has been prepared. The bulls and fattened cattle have been killed, and everything is ready. Come to the banquet!’ But the guests he had invited ignored them and went their own way, one to his farm, another to his business. Others seized his messengers and insulted them and killed them. “The king was furious, and he sent out his army to destroy the murderers and burn their town. And he said to his servants, ‘the wedding feast is ready, and the guests I invited aren’t worthy of the honor. Now go out to the street corners and invite everyone you see.’ So the servants brought in everyone they could find, good and bad alike, and the banquet hall was filled with guests. “But when the king came in to meet the guests, he noticed a man who wasn’t wearing the proper clothes for a wedding. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how is it that you are here without wedding clothes?’ But the man had no reply. Then the king said to his aides, ‘Bind his hands and feet and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ “For many are called, but few are chosen.” (NLT, Matthew 22:1-14)

Straight from the mouth of Jesus! This teaching illustrates how God sends his messengers and prophets to invite us to be saved, and to accept his Son, Jesus. We are constantly being invited to Heaven. The Bible is always referring to us (The Church) as the body of Christ and the bride of Christ, which is why this parable is about a wedding banquet for the King’s Son. The King being (God), the Son being (Jesus), the servants being (The Angels, Prophets, and Messengers), and the banquet representing (Heaven). I will let you guess who the invitees are.
Pay attention to the keywords, the servants were sent to notify “those who were invited.” This means not everyone is invited, so where do the uninvited go? I’m pretty sure they go to Hell. Let’s not forget “For many are called, but few are chosen,” that pretty much proves that some are chosen and some are not; meaning, some will go to Heaven and some will not.
Let’s continue on, the initially invited (The Israelites) rejected Jesus as the Messiah, some (The Pharisees) went as far as to kill him. From the beginning of the Bible all the way up to revelations, everyone that God has sent to warn humanity (His Prophets & Messengers) has been murdered or rejected all the way up to Jesus Christ and beyond. That covers the portion of parable talking about the invitees rejecting the invitation and some going as far as to murder the servants. Well, what about the King sending an army to destroy and burn their town?
I am glad you asked, throughout the Bible God turns his back on his people (The Israelites) when they reject him and rebel against him by doing such things as worshiping idols, breaking the commandments, and basically breaking their covenant with him. God removes his protection from them and even goes as far as to send other nations to attack them, as he did with King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. (The destruction and burning of the town also represents the end times in revelations). Of course, he was merciful and gave his people ample time to turn away from their sins and repent.
Moving on, the king sending his servants to invite everyone good and bad represents how the sacrificial death of Jesus enables everyone to be able to go to Heaven, without having to perfectly follow the Law of Moses. God knew we wouldn’t be able to do it. The Law of Moses was nothing more than just a long-term lesson to show us that even when facing the penalty of death and similar penalties, we would still break the law. He basically showed us that Humanity cannot govern itself without the help of God. We would need more than Laws, we would need a change of heart, and we would need the Holy Spirit.
Finally, the man not properly dressed illustrates how those that accept Jesus Christ (The Invitation), but continue to live in constant Sin, can lose their salvation. Just because you accept Christ does not mean you are guaranteed to go to Heaven, it’s only the start of your salvation. The Bible doesn’t say to run the race and fight the good fight for nothing. Now, Outer darkness, weeping, gnashing of the teeth, does that sound like Heaven to you? I think Jesus was speaking in a gentle fashion instead of being blunt and giving it to us straight; however, there is scripture which is not so nice, and for a good reason.
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” (NLT, Matthew 25:46)

Eternal means nonstop, no breaks, forever, everlasting. Some people try to claim it’s just the second death, meaning you don’t get eternal life, but clearly the scriptures say different. You get eternal life, but it’s not the type of eternal life anyone would ever want. This is why God designed this life to be experienced in time. Things in time begin and end. This teaches us what eternity is. That is how just and fair God is.
“They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power.” (NLT, 2 Thessalonians 1:9)

If there is no Hell, how can sinners be punished in eternal destruction or separated from the Lord? Where will they go if they can’t go into Heaven?
“Throwing the wicked into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (NLT, Matthew 13:50)

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.” (NLT, Mark 9:43)

“But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed. For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the Day of Judgment.” (NLT, 2 Peter 2:1-4)

That last verse is just blatantly clear that we will all pay for our sins, and that Hell exist, period! It is true that you can pay for your sins on Earth, but only to a certain extent. God knows that we will not be ultimately perfect without sin,
“Not a single person on earth is always good and never sins.” (NLT, Ecclesiastes 7:20)

“As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous–not even one.” (NLT, Romans 3:10)

But this does not give you the green light to do whatever you want to. God’s mercy, grace, and forgiveness are determined and given accordingly. God knows when you are trying not to sin, compared to when you really don’t care and are trying to fall through the cracks. We should strive to have as little sin as possible, remember God knows what is in our hearts. He can see if your desire is not to sin, but you fall to it not by deliberate will, but by the evil we all inherited from Adam & Eve, there is a difference.

The devil knows this, which is why he uses clever lies to deceive people. Of course he will tell us that our sins are forgiven through Christ, so it doesn’t matter what we do once we accept Jesus, and OH’ yeah by the way, Hell doesn’t exist. That is not what the true Word of God tells us. The “There is no Hell” claim is a doctrine of demons, there is no doubt about it. If Hell isn’t real then why did Jesus go down to Hell for three days to console the spirits that were imprisoned there?

“Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit. So he went and preached to the spirits in prison, those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.” (NLT, 1 Peter 3:18-20)

Truth96130 claimed that I am confusing the time of this verse. The verse above clearly states that Jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison (Hell) that disobeyed God during the time of Noah, basically all the people who died in the great flood; which by the way, is historically recorded in every culture around the world. If there is no Hell and I am confusing this verse, which I am obviously not, then why didn’t these same spirits go directly to Heaven? Why does the Bible say they are in prison? Why doesn’t the Bible simply say, “Jesus swung by the Prison (Hell) to bail these Spirits out?” Now let’s say there is no Hell, why are these Spirits in prison? What is this prison?
If you go back to (NLT, 2 Peter 2:1-4) which I mentioned earlier, you will see “For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the Day of Judgment.” Key sentence “where they are being held,” doesn’t that coincide perfectly with the spirits in prison! You know, prison, jail, being held captive, I don’t know about you, but it sure makes sense to me. This is the perfect example of scripture backing up scripture. As the saying goes “the writing is on the wall,” and let’s not forget about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. (See Figure 2)
And his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side. (NLT, Luke 16:23)

When I mentioned this to Truth96130 his response was, “well that’s just a parable, and it’s not a historical event.” That statement does not in no way, shape, or form prove that Hell is not real, in fact it diverts from the fact that Jesus used a parable to teach a lesson about Hell. Keyword, “lesson,” Let’s look at the definition of the word parable.

Parable –
A short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
A statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.
Well there you go, a parable is designed to teach a lesson of truth. Just because it’s not a historical event does not mean it is not true. I recommend reading the entire chapter of Luke 16. All words out of the mouth of Jesus, let me remind you. Over and over again in the Bible Hell is spoken about, illustrated, and re-cautioned to those that would believe, keyword believe. The Devil would love for people to not believe in Hell, that way people would just live how they feel and do what they want without having to worry about the repercussions.
Finally, Pastor Carlton and Truth96130 argue that God is love and he wouldn’t do these things to us. I mean how could an all loving merciful God send his people to eternal torture, right? Well once again, directly from Bible verses and not my philosophy, I will show you how God is justified in everything he does. He is the genuine holder of truth, he sets the standards, and he uses fair scales, weights, and balances. We would like to believe we know more than God, we would like to believe our ways are just, we would like to believe we can replace his laws with our own, but the truth is God is the Creator and we are the created. God set the laws of the universe, not us. Who are we but mere mortals.
“For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.” (NLT, Isaiah 55:9)

Do we really expect to have the same mental capacity as the entity that created us and the Universe? Seriously? If that were the case then why would we even need God at all? We would be just like him, which is the exact claim the devil made before he was found with sin and casted out of Heaven. The devil claimed he would be like the most high.
“I will climb to the highest heavens and be like the Most High.” (NLT, Isaiah 14:14)

The created cannot expect to comprehend and know as the creator.
“How foolish can you be? He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you, the clay! Should the created thing say of the one who made it, “He didn’t make me”? Does a jar ever say, “The potter who made me is stupid”?” (NLT, Isaiah 29:16)

Furthermore, as I tried to understand why God would send people to Hell for not meeting his qualifications, I learned some important truths. God has a standard, the one and only true balance of justice, and he will not break it for anyone. He will not be a hypocrite and break his word. Anyone who breaks the law is subject to the consequences, even the Angels.
Example of Truth: Anyone that is truly honest with pure integrity would understand that it is justified for their child to go to prison for murdering someone. Only hypocrites and people without standards would argue different.

People that go to Hell choose to go to Hell. People that go to Heaven choose to go to Heaven. (See Figure 3) God did not make us robots, he gave us self-awareness. I ask the reader, what has more value? A living being that was programmed to be righteous, or one that wasn’t but chose to be and now is? (Causality) There is a reason for everything, which is not just a “saying.” You might not agree with the reason, but who are we to tell God what is and is not fair. I am 100% sure if Jesus Christ disobeyed God, God would have sent him to Hell too.

Another misconception is that it doesn’t bother God to send people to Hell. That is a lie of the devil. The same way it hurts parents to discipline their children with the rod, it devastates our Father to sentence us (his children) to Hell. God does not enjoy this which is why he sacrificed his only Son.
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.” (NLT, John 3:16)

“The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.” (NLT, 2 Peter 3:9)

There is no excuse, we are warned and given a lifetime to get it right.
Then comes the question? We’ll if God is all loving and merciful then why does he let such suffering happen on Earth? That one is easy. There is suffering on Earth because we have free will to do what we want to, and some of us want to continue to do evil things. Some of us want to follow the devil instead of God. Some of us love sin more than we love our creator.
“And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.” (NLT, John 3:19)

People judge God and they never even get to know him. We’ll what about the good people who have bad things happen to them? Why doesn’t God protect them? First of all, what good people? We are all born evil.
“For I was born a sinner–yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.” (NLT, Psalm 51:5)

We inherited evil from Adam & Eve. We have to be taught to be good. We have the knowledge of good and evil, but without the help of God we will always favor evil. We are self-serving and self-gratifying.
“For they loved human praise more than the praise of God.” (NLT, John 12:43)

Also, remember we are not just facing people with free will that choose to be evil. We are facing our adversary the devil, and we are also facing spiritual battles in the unseen world around us.
“We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.” (NLT, 1 John 5:19)

“Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.” (NLT 1 Peter 5:8)

“For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.” (NLT, Ephesians 6:12)

And that my brother’s and sister’s is why there is pain and suffering in the world. Jesus made it very clear that we will suffer in this world, so why not suffer for him instead? Why not suffer to make it to the pearly gates?
“And all nations will hate you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved.” (NLT, Matthew 10:22)

“Students are not greater than their teacher, and slaves are not greater than their master. Students are to be like their teacher, and slaves are to be like their master. And since I, the master of the household, have been called the prince of demons, the members of my household will be called by even worse names! (NLT, Matthew 10:24-25)

“Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.” (NLT, 2 Timothy 3:12)

Jesus did not promise life without problems once you start following him. He tells no lies and gives it to us straight. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not about infinite happiness in this life, but it is about trials and tribulations leading to infinite happiness in the afterlife. Jesus never said we had to be perfect, nor does the Bible. The Bible tells us to turn away from Evil, stride to change; and most importantly, to ask God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to help us do it. We are incapable of doing it on our own. So make no mistake of misunderstanding that only perfect people make it to Heaven, which is another lie of the devil. Name one person in the Bible, besides Jesus, that didn’t sin. You can’t do it. Do not try to earn your salvation, instead embrace it. Salvation is a gift from God, it is meant to be received and maintained.
“Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.” (NLT, Ephesians 2:9)

Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who sacrificed himself on the cross so that we can be forgiven for our sins, become reborn and move forward from there, and know that hell is a real place. Fear the Lord of Heaven’s armies and respect who he is.
“Fear of the LORD is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.” (NLT, Proverbs 1:7)

“Fear of the LORD is the foundation of wisdom. Knowledge of the Holy One results in good judgment.” (NLT, Proverbs 9:10)

God can take our mistakes and help us correct them, he can help anyone, anywhere, anytime get back on the course he designed for them. It is never too late to turn to God through Jesus Christ. Simply lift your hands up to God and repeat “Jesus I repent of my sins and I accept you as my Lord and savior, Amen.” Then seek the kingdom first, read the Bible, continue to pray, and always talk to Jesus looking for guidance and answers, and remember we have the Holy Spirit to help us through it all.

“But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative–that is, the Holy Spirit–he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.” (NLT, John 14:26)

“Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.” (NLT, Matthew 6:33)

I encourage all my readers to fact check me, go look for yourself and make sure that I am not misleading you. Make sure that I am speaking from the lessons of the word of God and not from my own philosophy. Make sure that I am not twisting the word of God. I also invite my readers to comment and share your opinions down below in the comment section. May the Lord of Heaven’s Armies Bless you all!

I am currently reading and quoting from the New Living Translation version of the Bible.

Bob Blacka, studied Quantum Field Theory at Drexel University (1974) #fundie quora.com

The God of Moses doesn’t need to complete with other religions because he’s the only living God. All the other gods are fakes, total inventions, because they have never done anything in history nor do they respond to prayer.

So a human being has basically one of two options: Either believe in the living God, or believe in nothing. Believing in some ancient pagan god is about as useless as believing in the tooth fairy. A pagan god is not going to do anything for you.

So why should you believe in the living God? Because he is the only one that can give you eternal life. That is his promise. If you follow the plan taught by Jesus, you are guaranteed eternal life. How do I know that? Because he said so.

John 6: “Jesus declared, “… whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

How can someone know if Jesus is real? That’s pretty easy because Jesus claimed to be God and raised himself up from the dead to prove it. No other person in history has been able to do that. Not only that, Jesus raised a man, Lazarus, after he was dead for 4 days. No one can do that either. He did that only to prove to humanity he has the power to raise people from the dead.

If you are skeptical, consider this: Thousands of people saw Jesus die on the cross. And thousands of people saw him alive after he was resurrected from the dead. Hundreds of early Christians were tortured to death for following their faith and proclaiming Jesus as their Lord. Do you really think they would do that just for a hoax?

Oh yes, that thing about God killing people. Actually, he’s not keen on killing them, in fact, he wants everyone to have eternal life. God has bent over backwards to give people eternal life, but if they persist in worshiping the Golden Calf and burning up their children alive as sacrifices to Baal, then God has no other choice than to destroy those people. God only tolerates evil for a limited time, so when people have been warned repeatedly, over hundreds of years, and yet they continue to ignore the warnings, God has no other option left but to destroy them. But it pains him just the same.

Doug is a Fascist #fundie uk.answers.yahoo.com

God Jesus Christ will kill Reverend Colin Pavitt of the Brunswick Baptist Church in Gloucester, but what are you going to do about it?
God Jesus Christ will judge, condemn, and exterminate Reverend Colin Pavitt, and WIPE OUT ALL FOUR GENERATIONS OF HIS ENTIRE FAMILY on the day of judgement. (Matthew 13:41-42, 25:41-46; Revelation 20:15, 21:8, 21:27)

Pavitt is hereby INDICTED on all four counts:-

(1) Refusal to acknowledge that Jehovah God is supreme and sovereign over his ENTIRE creation, as he is American trailer trash who prefers white supremacy to God's glory and omnipotent power.
(2) Pavitt is American trailer trash from Florida, whose wife Marcia is a Spick from Belo Horizonte Brazil.
(3) Pavitt is a Baptist Christian, whose church is poor and inferior compared to the Anglican/Episcopalian church, Catholic church, and Christian Orthodox Church in Russia.
(4) Pavitt is a blasphemer who has repeatedly LIED about the "nature of God and Jesus Christ", and has deliberately misinterpreted the Bible for his own EVIL purpose. (Proverbs 12:22, 13:5; Revelation 22:15)

Given that Pavitt and his entire family will be EXECUTED on judgement day, how should the Archbishop of Canterbury respond, and what are you going to do about it?

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO STOP ME KILLING ALL THOSE PEOPLE?

FOR WHO CAN RESIST GOD'S OMNIPOTENT POWER, AND GOD'S RESOLVE TO HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE KILLED? (Isaiah 14:27, 43:13)

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Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

There is Hope for Atheists!

When I read some of the atheist blogs, Facebook posts, and news articles that display a sheer hatred against Christians (really, it’s a hatred against God), it can seem, humanly speaking, hopeless to try to reach these secularists with the truth of God’s Word and the salvation message it presents.

And yet, we can be encouraged to read of the incredible conversion of Saul (who severely persecuted Christians) in Acts 9 and realize that God’s Word can penetrate even the most hardened heart. Indeed: “For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).

As I read many of the comments by atheists (blasphemous and vitriolic as some of them are), I also understand that they have been indoctrinated in evolutionary ideas. Most of them have probably never really heard a clear, logical defense of the Christian faith that would answer many of their skeptical questions. It’s important to remember that God’s Word commands us to “sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15).

At the same time, it’s vital that we never divorce any arguments/defense we could present to atheists from the powerful Word of God: “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17).

When I read some of the atheist blogs, Facebook posts, and news articles that display a sheer hatred against Christians (really, it’s a hatred against God), it can seem, humanly speaking, hopeless to try to reach these secularists with the truth of God’s Word and the salvation message it presents.

And yet, we can be encouraged to read of the incredible conversion of Saul (who severely persecuted Christians) in Acts 9 and realize that God’s Word can penetrate even the most hardened heart. Indeed: “For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12).

As I read many of the comments by atheists (blasphemous and vitriolic as some of them are), I also understand that they have been indoctrinated in evolutionary ideas. Most of them have probably never really heard a clear, logical defense of the Christian faith that would answer many of their skeptical questions. It’s important to remember that God’s Word commands us to “sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15).

At the same time, it’s vital that we never divorce any arguments/defense we could present to atheists from the powerful Word of God: “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Romans 10:17).

WE DO OUR BEST TO DEFEND THE CHRISTIAN FAITH USING APOLOGETICS AGAINST THE SECULAR ATTACKS OF OUR DAY.
At Answers in Genesis, through our resources, conferences, and other outreaches, we do our best to defend the Christian faith using apologetics against the secular attacks of our day. But in doing so, we need to also point people to the truth of God’s Word and challenge them concerning the saving gospel. We use apologetics to answer questions and direct people to God’s Word and its message of salvation.

There’s no greater thrill in this ministry than to hear how God has used what has been taught by AiG to touch someone’s life—for eternity. Last week, I was introduced to one of our new volunteers, Donna, who is helping sew some of the costumes for the figures that will be placed inside our full-size Ark. She had responded to my Facebook post asking for seamstresses.

I discovered that she became a Christian in 1993 after attending one of my seminars (called “Back to Genesis” with the Institute for Creation Research ministry) at Cedarville University in Ohio. The Bible-upholding seminar was such an eye-opener to her about the reliability of the Bible that she became a Christian.

We asked if she would share her testimony.

"Ken:

The Lord opened up this atheistic evolutionist’s eyes decades ago, through exposure to Ken’s ministry.

I was a die-hard evolutionist, completely convinced that the fossil finds in Olduvai Gorge supported the “evidence” that we evolved from less-complicated, early hominid creatures, like the so-called “Lucy".

To keep a long story short: I attended a Creation Seminar at Cedarville College [now Cedarville University], sat in rapt attention as Ken Ham told me “the rest of the story,” and I realized that all of the fossil finds I believed supported evolution were, in all cases, misinterpreted. I was blown away! So, learning the truth about evolution preceded my realizing that God was real (after all!) and that the Bible was His Word. I became a creationist before I became a believer in Christ.

I was raised and educated Roman Catholic. My parents took all seven of us to church every Sunday. And for all that religiosity, we never spoke of Jesus at home.

After twelve years of Catholic schools, and being taught that Noah's Ark, for example, was just an allegorical way to relay the story that “if you come on board with belief in God, he'll keep you through the storm,” that there probably was no actual Noah's Ark, and probably no actual Adam and Eve, it was easy to throw out the Bible as any believable “Word of God.”

I became a non-Christian. I used to say, “How can I believe a book that's been copied over and over and over, translated in so many different versions, when it probably doesn't even look like the original, like a Xerox copy of a Xerox copy of a Xerox copy?” It was easy to walk away from what little faith I'd been taught.

But then being exposed to creation science ministries, I had to look honestly at what I'd come to believe about God. I can't name a specific date that I came to saving knowledge of what Christ had done for me—it was more of a season. I was that thick headed. It took a while for it all to unfold.

Today, I am feasting on apologetics, Christian music, and the inerrant Word of God. I never thought the Bible could make so much sense. Christ has loved and protected me through my years of doubt, even though I never deserved it. I know where I came from, and I know exactly where I’m going. I am free of the fears and superstitions of religion, because I have a deep, personal relationship with the most awesome Creator of the Universe!

By the way, my twin daughters are both graduates of Cedarville, and one is a pastor's wife!

I am so honored to be doing any little thing to make the presentation at the Ark Encounter come alive, and look forward to many more days helping with the sewing effort."


Thank you, Donna. What a wonderful account!
We were able to find some information on the 1993 seminar that she attended at Cedarville University; Cedarville is a university that has a close affiliation with AiG today. See a photo of me (with dark hair) on page 4 of Torch, summer 1993.

In explaining how we conduct apologetics evangelism at AiG, I like to use the account of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead (John 11). When Jesus came to the tomb of Lazarus, He told people to roll the stone away. Now, Jesus could have moved the stone with one command—but what people could do for themselves, He asked them to do. Then what people couldn’t do, He did with a command—His Word. He raised Lazarus from the dead.

At AiG, we know that non-Christians are really walking dead people “who were dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1). Only God’s Word can raise the dead. So when we are witnessing to “dead” people, we do the best we can to give answers (1 Peter 3:15) to defend the faith, and in so doing, point them to the Word of God that saves! God is the One who opens people’s hearts (including atheists) and “who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (2 Corinthians 4:6).

Yes, God’s Word reaches even the most hardened heart. There is hope for every atheist, for the Lord “is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). And “blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3).

If the Lord has used AiG, including our Creation Museum, in your life to bring you to salvation, would you please let me know? Thank you.

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

Is BioLogos Promoting Heresy?

BioLogos is an organization that is using millions of dollars (including considerable funding by the Templeton Foundation) to try to convince Christian leaders, Christians, and churches to adopt the ideas of evolution and billions of years into the Bible. On their website we read:

BioLogos invites the church and the world to see the harmony between science and biblical faith as we present an evolutionary understanding of God’s creation.
One of their core commitments states:

"We affirm evolutionary creation, recognizing God as Creator of all life over billions of years."

But are they just trying to impose evolutionary ideas onto God’s Word? No! It’s much more than that—they are trying to impose what I believe is really a heretical view of God’s character and the gospel. Can I justify this? Well, you judge for yourself.

On February 15, 2016, BioLogos posted a video by Rev. Leonard J. Vander Zee, who has an MDiv from Calvin Theological Seminary, and is a former pastor of South Bend (Indiana) Christian Reformed Church.

The president of BioLogos, Deborah Haarsma, is former professor and chair in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where BioLogos is currently located. She stated this about Reverand Vander Zee’s presentation.

"He began to preach an amazing visual sermon, spinning a tale of wonder and beauty about “the true story of the whole world” (as N. T. Wright calls the Bible). Len brought the key events from billions of years of natural history right alongside the biblical narrative, with scientific images and beautiful artwork. My jaw dropped as he described the scientific wonders of the Big Bang as a reflection of the joy of the Trinity—God the Father, Son, and Spirit. He told the story of the evolution of plants and animals as an expression of God’s creativity, something we celebrate at BioLogos. He told of the development of the first humans and of how our sin tore us away from God’s intended path. He brought us on a journey through God’s plan for salvation in Jesus Christ and finally to the end of all things in God’s restored creation."

Now the entire almost 12-minute video is on the BioLogos website and on YouTube. It’s nothing more than taking the secular/atheistic evolutionary views and attributing every aspect of evolution and billions of years to God!

I encourage you to watch the entire video later, but first watch these segments I have selected:

(Video clips on website)

So, Reverend Vander Zee attributes millions of years of evolutionary processes (that involve death, suffering, disease, and bloodshed) to God—which itself is an attack on the character of our Holy God. But obviously he has no place for a literal Adam and Eve and literal Fall. He implies that there are more than two humans that evolved and that the whole universe and all life are in this continuous evolutionary progression.

Now watch this segment where he mentions sin—seemingly as something that is part of this evolutionary progression that spreads through human kind—not original sin by one man as the Bible clearly teaches (Romans 5:12 and 1 Corinthians 15:21–22)

Now watch how he describes salvation.

Reverend Vander Zee seems to be saying that salvation means that we evolve into some glorified state. Here are his words in print:

"I want you to notice something important here that often gets lost in telling the Christian story. Salvation is not about leaving behind our broken humanity or the spoiled created order. Salvation is about becoming human, and as restored human beings in the image of God, bringing the created order to its full glory. Here is how Paul puts it in Romans 8, “The whole creation stands on tiptoe, waiting for the revealing of the children of God . . . in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay into the freedom and glory of the children of God” (Rom. 8:18–20, paraphrase). Jesus Christ is the true and human image of the invisible God. By faith in Christ, through his shed blood and victorious resurrection, we are being restored by the Spirit to our true human identity as image-bearers of God. As Paul puts it, “We . . . are being transformed into his image with ever increasing glory” (2 Corinthians 3:18)."

What could this possibly mean? He says, “Salvation is not about leaving behind our broken humanity” (a statement consistent with theistic evolutionists’ denial of Adam and Eve’s literal Fall). Yet we’re “restored” as “human beings in the image of God,” and we’re “restored” as humans “to our true human identity as image-bearers of God.” The definition of restore is “reestablish,” “to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition.”3 Which is it? If humanity wasn’t broken in the beginning, why restore it?

If, instead, Reverend Vander Zee actually meant “to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition” when he used the term “restore,” then what was the original condition? The original state (according to his evolutionary view) was deplorable—an existence filled with death and suffering and disease and every other evolutionary process that gave rise to humans! Since salvation normally denotes our eternal hope, are we as Christians to comfort ourselves in an eternity of death and suffering and disease and every other nasty evolutionary process?

Furthermore, Reverend Vander Zee says, “Salvation is not about leaving behind . . . the spoiled created order.” If so, then perhaps the current world in which we live—the one filled with death, suffering, disease, and bloodshed—will remain eternally. Is this picture any prettier or something to look forward to?

Whichever way you try to understand it, in the context of Reverend Vander Zee’s evolutionary narrative, his statement on salvation is confused and seriously contrary to Scripture.

Theistic evolutionists can’t have it both ways. If you take away from the Christian worldview of the literal Fall and its cosmic effects, what happens to the Bible’s teaching about the new heavens and new earth? Is there any room for heaven in the theistic evolutionary worldview? Once you whittle away the beginning and the end of the story from the Christian gospel, is there much left to gut?

Not surprisingly, the BioLogos organization has a statement of faith that lacks any clear position on the Christian’s future hope. They claim to “believe in the historical death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, by which we are saved and reconciled to God,” but with respect to whether Jesus will return bodily, whether hell exists, and whether heaven is a place free of death and suffering, BioLogos has no explicit statement.

Why not? It probably goes back to their first—and even bigger—omission in their statement of faith: “We believe the Bible is the inspired and authoritative word of God.” Do you see what’s missing? They don’t explicitly endorse the inerrancy of Scripture! So they’re free to distort the beginning and the end of the Christian history of redemption. When BioLogos finishes their campaign, what will be left of Christianity?

Personally, I call it heresy because the definition of heresy is

"opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system."

Reverend Vander Zee’s description of salvation is a logical consequence of the acceptance of man’s fallible atheistic evolutionary beliefs combined with God’s infallible Word. BioLogos wants to call this “evolutionary creation”—but in reality it’s “theistic evolution,” which is only one step away from atheistic evolution. And the one step away is, in reality, one generation away, as we see increasing numbers of the millennial generation walking away from the church and rejecting the clear teachings of God’s Word. Compromised teaching like this from BioLogos is a major cause of this falling away, as revealed in the research we’ve had conducted and detailed in Already Gone and Ready to Return.

The thrust of BioLogos is not in accord with the biblical doctrines of Christianity; thus it is in reality from the spirit of anti-Christ. Church, be warned!

Britt Gillette #fundie end-times-bible-prophecy.com

Transhumanism In Bible Prophecy

Transhumanism and the great rebellion

Is transhumanism in bible prophecy?

That's a great question, because this generation is poised to witness the emergence of a radical new social movement known as transhumanism.

Expressing an unshakable faith in the continued and rapid advance of human technology, transhumanists look to the future with what can only be described as a religious fervor.

Many of this movement's adherents point to the singularity (an exponential increase in technological advancement so rapid the unaided human mind is unable to grasp its implications) as the climax of human civilization.

Believing this event will usher in a new era for the human race in which limited mortals transcend their biological bodies and set out to conquer the universe, transhumanist anticipation of the singularity is comparable to Christian anticipation of the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Ironically, the bible points out that in the time just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ the world will be characterized by unparalleled human arrogance. Led by the Antichrist, the human race will not only launch a spiritual rebellion against God, but an actual physical confrontation between themselves and the King of kings, Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul foresaw this conflict almost 2,000 years ago:

"For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed - the one who brings destruction. He will exalt himself and defy every god there is and tear down every object of adoration and worship. He will position himself in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God." 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (NLT)

The Tower of Babel

To properly understand the origins of this rebellion, we must first examine the development of human civilization in the aftermath of the flood. It is a time marked by another rebellion first chronicled in Genesis Chapter 11.

It's the story of the Tower of Babel:

"At one time the whole world spoke a single language and used the same words. As the people migrated eastward, they found a plain in the land of Babylonia and settled there. They began to talk about construction projects. 'Come,' they said, 'let's make great piles of burnt brick and collect natural asphalt to use as mortar. Let's build a great city with a tower that reaches to the skies - a monument to our greatness! This will bring us together and keep us from scattering all over the world.'

But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 'Look!' he said. 'If they can accomplish this when they have just begun to take advantage of their common language and political unity, just think of what they will do later. Nothing will be impossible for them! Come, let's go down and give them different languages. Then they won't be able to understand each other.'

In that way, the Lord scattered them all over the earth; and that ended the building of the city. That is why the city was called Babel, because it was there that the Lord confused the people by giving them many languages, thus scattering them across the earth." Genesis 11:1-9 (NLT)

In this story, God scatters the human race and confuses them with different languages. His reason for doing so is to avoid the inevitable disaster wrought by global government and a common language.

Why are these things a concern?

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Because if they continue unabated, in due time, "nothing will be impossible" for the human race. This is more than a flippant comment by God. It's a prophecy of things to come.

It's a prophecy of something so bad, God put a stop to it the moment He first saw it. God knew that, left to pursue its technological development, the human race would one day challenge Him. After all, what was the motive for building the Tower of Babel in the first place?

"Let's build a great city with a tower that reaches to the skies - a monument to our greatness!" Genesis 11:4 (NLT)

The human race set out to build a monument to its own greatness, exalting mankind above God and extending its tower far into heaven with the sole intent of usurping God's glory and authority. This innate human desire did not end with the Tower of Babel. It continues to this day, and soon it will result in one final attempt to usurp the authority of God.
The Great Lie

The motive for this great rebellion will be predicated on lies. The bible predicts that deception will be rampant in the end times.

And just as God hardened the heart of Pharaoh for putting faith in his own power, He will do the same to the inhabitants of the earth who will become drunk with their own power:

"So God will send great deception upon them, and they will believe all these lies." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 (NLT)

Paul makes it clear that these people will be deluded into believing "the lies."

But what exactly are the "lies" to which he refers?

A cursory examination of the first book of the Bible reveals a quote from the originator of lies. In fact, it's the very first lie referenced in the bible:

"'You won't die!' the serpent hissed. 'God knows that your eyes will be opened when you eat it. You will become just like God, knowing everything, both good and evil.'" Genesis 3:4-5 (NLT)

These lies from the Garden of Eden are the same lies to which Paul refers.

The same lies which brought sin into the world will be the same lies which spark the ultimate rebellion against God Almighty. Humanity will come full circle.

In the last days, the same construction projects envisioned by the Tower of Babel architects will result in mankind achieving a level of technological sophistication so advanced that "nothing will be impossible for them."

The human race will come to believe the great lies of the serpent.

In his arrogance, man will believe he is:

1) Immortal
2) All-Knowing

and

3) Just like God

Mankind will mimic the earth-shattering arrogance of Lucifer by freely joining in his rebellious attempt to usurp the throne of God. Because without Jesus Christ, fallen mankind's ambition is the same as Lucifer's.

Centuries ago, Isaiah described this fallen being and his sinister motives:

"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world. For you said to yourself, 'I will ascend to heaven and set my throne above God's stars. I will preside on the mountain of the gods far away in the north. I will climb to the highest heavens and be like the Most High.'" Isaiah 14:12-14 (NLT)

In the last days, this passage will not only be an accurate depiction of Satan, but of all mankind.
The Transhumanist Movement

The latest incarnation of man's rebellion against God is the transhumanist movement.

Many within the movement believe the singularity will lead to the emergence of "post-biological humans" who are able to shed their biological bodies and "upgrade their hardware." Others believe that by downloading themselves into a network, they will effectively become "immortal."

True believers have modified their diets, exercise routines, and entire lifestyle in an effort to increase the likelihood of living to witness human reversal of the aging process and eventual human "immortality."

Ray Kurzweil - inventor, author, and transhumanist - is considered one of the best in the world at accurately forecasting short-term and intermediate technological trends.

In Chapter 7 of his bestselling book "The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology," he describes his view of the ultimate outcome of our technological advance:

"The matter and energy in our vicinity will become infused with the intelligence, knowledge, creativity, beauty, and emotional intelligence (the ability to love, for example) of our human-machine civilization. Our civilization will then expand outward, turning all the dumb matter and energy we encounter into sublimely intelligent - transcendent - matter and energy. So in a sense, we can say the Singularity will ultimately infuse the universe with spirit."

According to Kurzweil, the universe will be infused with "spirit" as a result of the natural advance of our human-machine civilization. This infers that the universe is not already infused with "spirit," and that if God exists, His designs are inferior to those that will be created by the predicted human-machine civilization.

In the next paragraph, he describes the advancement of the human-machine civilization as approaching the very conception of God. Ironically, he admits that the accelerating growth of evolution can never achieve the infinite character traits exclusive to God:

"Evolution moves toward greater complexity, greater elegance, greater knowledge, greater intelligence, greater beauty, greater creativity, and greater levels of subtle attributes such as love. In every monotheistic tradition God is likewise described as all of these qualities, only without any limitation: infinite knowledge, infinite intelligence, infinite beauty, infinite creativity, infinite love, and so on. Of course, even the accelerating growth of evolution never achieves an infinite level, but as it explodes exponentially it certainly moves rapidly in that direction. So evolution moves inexorably toward this conception of God, although never quite reaching this ideal. We can regard, therefore, the freeing of our thinking from the severe limitations of its biological form to be an essentially spiritual undertaking."

The concluding sentence of this paragraph should send up red flags for every student of bible prophecy. According to Kurzweil, as the human race moves forward, it will seek to free its thinking "from the severe limitations of its biological form."

The bible reveals that one day mankind will gather its armies in an attempt to "break the chains of God and set themselves free from His bondage." Psalm 2 describes this confrontation:

"Why do the nations rage? Why do the people waste their time with futile plans? The kings of the earth prepare for battle; the rulers plot together against the Lord and against His Anointed One. 'Let us break their chains,' they cry. 'And free ourselves from this slavery.' But the one who rules in heaven laughs. The Lord scoffs at them." Psalm 2:1-4 (NLT)

Could this passage describe an attempt by post-biological humans to overthrow the rule of God?

Could the chains which hold them in bondage be the "severe limitations of their biological form"?

Remember, when this event occurs, Satan and his fallen angels are also inhabitants of the earth:

"Rejoice, O heavens! And you who live in the heavens, rejoice! But terror will come on the earth and the sea. For the Devil has come down to you in great anger, and he knows that he has little time." Revelation 12:12 (NLT)

In his arrogance and desperation, Satan will advance the dark powers of the spiritual realm, aided by a fallen mankind with powers beyond our current limitations, in a last ditch effort to defeat God.

The technological advancements of the near future will provide mankind with unprecedented power, and the ambitious goals of the transhumanist movement are already in direct conflict with God Himself.

The following verse provides additional support for believing transhumanism will play a pivotal role in this final rebellion. In the New Testament, when Jesus describes the signs of His Coming to the disciples, He makes an interesting statement in light of our times:

"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22 (KJV)

Throughout the centuries, this verse has been interpreted as meaning the Second Coming of Christ will arrive just in time to save the human race from itself, meaning human wars would threaten to cause the extinction of the human race.

However, it might mean that "no flesh will be saved" because a nakedly ambitious human race will transform itself into a race of "post-biological humans" intent on reshaping the universe according to an alternative agenda.

Given the history of human rebellion against God, it would be unwise to discount this possibility.

The Great Rebellion

Just as Paul prophesied, human ambition will ultimately lead to a great rebellion against God. This rebellion will reach its zenith at Armageddon, an actual geographical location in modern day Israel. The gathering of the world's armies at Armageddon will not be (as some believe) a war of humans versus humans, but rather a literal physical confrontation between rebellious mankind and the King of kings, Jesus Christ. In addition to Psalm 2, this battle is referenced multiple times in scripture, and it's clearly referenced twice in the Book of Revelation:

"These miracle-working demons caused all the rulers of the world to gather for battle against the Lord on that great judgment day of God Almighty." Revelation 16:14 (NLT)

"Then I saw the beast gathering the kings of the earth and their armies in order to fight against the one sitting on the horse and his army." Revelation 19:19 (NLT)

The "one sitting on the horse" is identified as Jesus Christ. Literally interpreted, both these passages state that the world will gather for battle against Jesus Christ. The bible is clear about this, yet for countless generations, these passages have been interpreted as a mere spiritual battle and not as a literal physical conflict. It's not difficult to image why. The idea of mankind physically engaging God in battle seems so preposterous that these passages have given way to numerous symbolic interpretations over the years. Yet scripture is clear. Remember what God Himself said about the human race that will ultimately fulfill His Tower of Babel prophecy - "nothing will be impossible for them!"

In fact, the Book of Daniel reveals that the Antichrist will manage to attack "the heavenly armies, throwing some of the heavenly beings and stars to the ground and trampling them":

"From one of the prominent horns came a small horn whose power grew very great. It extended toward the south and east and toward the glorious land of Israel. His power reached to the heavens where it attacked the heavenly armies, throwing some of the heavenly beings and stars to the ground and trampling them. He even challenged the Commander of heaven's armies by canceling the daily sacrifices offered to him and by destroying his Temple." Daniel 8:9-11 (NLT)

The power of the Antichrist and the human beings of his era will far exceed what our generation can currently imagine. As proof, Daniel describes a time when the Antichrist will engage Jesus Christ Himself in battle:

"He will even take on the Prince of princes in battle, but he will be broken, though not by human power." Daniel 8:25 (NLT)

The human race, led by the Antichrist, will take on the Lord Himself in battle. Like the Tower of Babel generation, the arrogance of this final generation will extend all the way into the heavens, where the human race will attempt to usurp the glory and authority of God Himself. But just like the Tower of Babel generation, their efforts will end in utter failure.
Conclusion

The transhumanist agenda serves as a reminder of what the human race is without the blood of Jesus Christ - an enemy of God. A movement which views its ultimate purpose as bringing enlightenment to the universe sets itself up in direct opposition to God's own purpose. This is the very definition of rebellion, and it's the inevitable result of fallen mankind's sinful nature.

Yet despite our sinful nature, God provided us with the free gift of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ. All we have to do is accept this gift. Those who accept it will experience peace and everlasting life, but those who reject it will become slaves to sin, and their ambition - like Satan's - will one day lead to an outright physical confrontation with God Himself. It's a battle that God will win.

Delight in Truth #fundie delightintruth.com


The real answer to this question, of course is the work of conviction and renewal by the Holy Spirit in their heart.

But what do hardened atheists say when asked this question?

This is what atheist Peter Boghossian writes in his book A Manual for Creating Atheists:

“…if I walked outside at night and all of the stars were organized to read, “I am God communicating with you, believe in Me!” and every human being worldwide witnessed this in their native language, this would be suggestive (but far from conclusive as it’s a perception and could be a delusion).”

On Real Time with Bill Maher, Maher has a humorous response to what it would take for him to believe:

“Jesus Christ coming down from the sky during the halftime show at the Super Bowl and turning nachos into bread and fish.”

Silly atheists…

Delight in Truth would argue that some of these atheists would reject Jesus even if He came down during the Super Bowl and performed a physical miracle. Follow the conversations Jesus has with His opponents in John 6 and John 8. Despite the miracles He was doing in their midst, they still did not believe in Him. In fact, they wanted to kill Him. In the same way we have hardened people today who hate God (even though they claim he does not exists).

Clearly pharaoh did not believe in God despite the exceptional miracles performed through Moses… and in our case, Maher would have us think that he would believe in Jesus if he saw nachos turn into bread… This is an abominable proposition in the very least.

Why do atheistic activists fight with such fervor against the concept of a monotheistic God, especially the God of the Bible? When was the last time you saw an anti-theist mock an eastern religion? They focus on Christianity and Jesus because that is where the truth is, and the truth bothers them. They have no problem with Buddhism and other polytheistic religions, but they go after the Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Why?

Because they love sin.

God’s moral standard is perfect and they reject it in favor of their own system of so-called morality. They do this in order to numb their God-given conscience and continue to sin.

The next time an atheist or anti-theist challenges you, ask him why he fights so hard against a God whom he claims does not exist…

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

Dawkins’ Mind Is Closed

In an article titled “Atheist Richard Dawkins Calls It ‘Disgraceful’ That Presidential Hopefuls Are Creationists—and Reveals Which Religion Has ‘Maximum Toxicity,’” The Blaze website reports on a Fox News TV interview with prominent evolutionist Richard Dawkins.

The Blaze article stated:

Atheist biologist Richard Dawkins decried the fact that some Republican presidential candidates are creationists, calling it “disgraceful” and proclaiming that evolution is a “fact” that “you can not seriously disbelieve” . . . Dawkins repeatedly waded into controversial territory throughout the exchange, with Colmes at one point asking if the biologist believes that religious people are “mentally ill.” “It’s hard to use the word ‘mentally ill’ when there are so many of them,” Dawkins responded. “If they believed what they did and they were the only one they would undoubtedly be called mentally ill.”

During the interview, Dawkins was asked “whether the atheist leader would ever change his mind about God, he said that he’s open to the idea. ‘Just show me some evidence and I’ll change,’ Dawkins said.”

Well, Dawkins has been shown overwhelming evidence by many people through books, discussions, a radio debate with my friend Dr. Andy McIntosh, and so on! In fact, God tells us that people like Richard Dawkins are without excuse (Romans 1:20). Dawkins reminds me of the Pharisees in John 9. After Jesus had healed the man blind from birth, the Pharisees questioned the man and his parents, and even with the evidence glaring at them, they refused to believe. People like Dawkins also remind me of the chief priests in John 12:10 who wanted to kill Lazarus, the man Jesus raised from the dead. Because of their hardened hearts, they refused to believe Jesus raised Lazarus and decided to try to kill Lazarus to get rid of the evidence! Yes, these are apt comparisons when you consider people like Richard Dawkins. We need to pray for him. His heart is hard and he is blind.

. . . whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

So is Dawkins truly “open” to believing in God? Well, he pretends that he is willing to listen to evidence—but the evidence from his own life clearly shows that he refuses to believe despite the evidence. He is like the scoffers in 2 Peter 3:5 who deliberately reject, or are willingly ignorant of Creation, the Flood, and the coming judgment (the very things Dawkins rejects). It is a deliberate act on their part to ignore the obvious and reject the truth!

I’m reminded of what Abraham said about the rich man who wanted to come back from the dead and warn his brothers about judgment after life:

“Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’” (Luke 16:29–31)

Dawkins has spent most of his life rejecting the writings of Moses, particularly Genesis, and trying to get as many people as he can to follow his rebellious lifestyle that leads directly to hell. Yes, we do need to pray much for him.

Lord, open Richard Dawkins’ mind, and let the light of the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ illuminate his hardened heart!

Thanks for stopping by and thanks for praying,
Ken

Jennifer LeClaire #fundie rawstory.com

Comedian and host of HBO’s Last Week Tonight John Oliver slammed televangelists on Sunday for their greed and extortion as they enjoy mass wealth as a result. To mock the government’s absence of regulation, Oliver started his own church, called “Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption,” naming himself “megapstor” and CEO.

Looks like Oliver struck a nerve. On Wednesday, Christian minister Jennifer LeClaire said Oliver shouldn’t “mock what you don’t understand,” calling him a “false reverend.”


LeClaire, who operates the Awakening House of Prayer, admitted there are abusive churches. But she does believe in the concept of “seed faith” — the idea that giving money to a church will result in returns for the giver.

“[W]e have to be careful not to paint everyone who believes for an airplane or sows a seed to get out of debt as a heretic,” she writes.

Oliver’s segment hilariously skewered preachers whose fantastic displays of wealth come at a large cost to parishioners who they compel to donate what little money they have. They tend to believe in the conveniently self-serving idea of prosperity as a sign of God’s favor.

“I do believe in supernatural debt cancellation,” LeClaire writes. “And I don’t believe we should mock so-called prosperity preachers, even if we don’t believe they hear from God. Nor do I believe we should insinuate that God is cursing at them, as Oliver did.”

These preachers, like Robert Tilton, Mike Murdock, Todd Coontz, Henry Fernandez and Creflo Dollar, live in multi-million dollar houses, take lavish vacations and own private jets while they instruct followers to go beyond their financial means to give them donations.

In a seven-month correspondence with Robert Tilton, Oliver was able to reveal that the church was basically a predatory financial scam.

Rudy Tidwell #fundie christiannews.net

Once a gain I responded to the beginning of a posting by someone and did not rad it in its entirety. My sincerest apologizes to the "black man" to whom I wrote a rebuke. I must be more diligent in what I read and write. I now make clear that I agree with the pastor, Jesse Lee Peterson that Jakes made a colossal mistake by saying that he supports same sex marriage as decreed by the Supreme Court. However, the Supreme Court does not have \the final and binding word on homosexuality, Read in Leviticus 20:19 and Romans 1:20-32 and see what God has to say about it! Just because a man such as Jakes or any other, has achieved a measure of fame does not make what they say truthful. There is a far higher authority than any man--Almighty Jehovah God!--who is the source of true belief on any issue. The devil and his radical liberals spew out those evil ideas and they will one day, hopefully soon, be judged and corrected by the actions of God. Failure to believe God's Word, the Bible, and failure to believe on and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, will lead us into all manner of ungodly thoughts and practices. I join with Reverend Peterson in giving a biblically based rebuke to T.D. Jakes who seems to have departed fro Bible based Truth. May God convict and deliver Jakes from his politically correct belief!

CuttingEdge #fundie cuttingedge.org

Now, please understand this Biblical principle: if President George W. Bush were truly Born Again as he claims, and is led by the Holy Spirit, he would take the actions of righteous King Jehu, and would destroy the Washington Monument! He would have signed an Executive Order his first day in office to destroy and burn this huge obelisk. Further, if Reverends Franklin and Billy Graham were offering President Bush true Biblical advice, they would advise him that he had to destroy that obelisk, and begin the destruction of all symbols of Masonry now polluting America! For that matter, how could Dr. Franklin Graham "face the obelisk" when he offered his prayer prior to the Inauguration ceremony?

You protest that President Bush would encounter too much opposition to destroying such an historic piece of American history. You are right -- enormous opposition would be encountered -- but since when has that deterred a true man of God, on God's mission? Do you think King Jehu encountered no opposition? He did, but he rode the right hand of Almighty God on a righteous mission, and swept the opposition away! If George W. Bush were truly Born Again, he would have asked Christians all over the world to support him in this most courageous act!

The Washington Monument obelisk is a 555-foot erect penis of Baal in its sexually aroused state, for crying out loud! Why wouldn't God be offended?

Thus, when George W. Bush faced the obelisk like a good Illuminist would do, we are not convinced he is truly a Born Again Christian. When you hear President Bush announcing he is destroying the Washington Obelisk Monument, you may truly believe in your inner heart that he is Born Again.

Rev. James Tallach #fundie dailyrecord.co.uk

The people of Stornoway were cleaning up yesterday after a twister tore through the town, ripping slates off houses, uprooting trees and flipping a car on to its roof.

The freak storm struck the day after the God-fearing isle of Lewis staged its first gay civil partnership ceremony on Monday and less than a fortnight after the first Sunday ferry set sail despite protests from religious believers.

(continues...)

The Reverend James Tallach, of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, told the Record: "I'm not in a position to say this was the will of God. I don't have that information here.

"But I am prepared to say that it's certain no good will come out of defying God's law.

"That is what a Civil Partnership does. What happened on Monday was in defiance of God.

"We have also seen a clear breach of the Fourth Commandment, which regards keeping the Sabbath holy. Sunday sailings were also against the law of God."

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

Humbly, you won't find a more sincere man on the internet than myself, who loves God and truth! I am a sinner, no debate there! But praise God, I am a redeemed sinner, whose ONLY claim to righteousness is the imputed righteousness of God through faith in Christ Jesus, my God and Savior! Philippians 3:9, “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.” I am glad that I make such a big fuss over the Lordship Salvation mess, which is nothing less than a bridge to the works-based religion of Cain! Salvation is not based about what YOU DO, it is based upon what JESUS DID!

I am without a doubt a PORCUPINE PREACHER—PEOPLE GET THE POINT! And that is what truly matters—not how organized my websites are, not how good of a writer I am, not how talented I am, not how much worldly wisdom I possess, not how many web visitors I have, not how popular I am, not who knows my name, not anything except—PREACHING THE TRUTH! To God be the glory, for using a misfit like me, a stick in the mud, who has a humble servant's heart! I CARE! That is why I preach the way I do, without apology, with fervor, uncompromisingly, telling it like it is! My critics comb through my website articles diligently, looking for any doctrinal errors to critique me. GOOD, that is what you should do (1st John 4:1)! I want to be as truthful and accurate as possible, because as Dr. David Gibbs Jr.'s mother says, “I WANT TO MAKE JESUS LOOK GOOD!”

God's best saints always had HUMBLE HEARTS before God...

Luke 5:8, “When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.”

Isaiah 6:5, “Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.”

1st Timothy 1:15, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”

Genesis 32:10, “I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which thou hast shewed unto thy servant; for with my staff I passed over this Jordan; and now I am become two bands.”

All of the preceding four men of God shared a common denominator—A KEEN AWARENESS OF THEIR WEAKNESS AND GOD'S STRENGTH!!! O how I want to be weak enough for God to use. I WANT TO MAKE JESUS LOOK GOOD!

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

We are all proud at times, which is why we gossip, talk about others and sin wilfully against God (Romans 7:14-25). May we all with God's help refrain from such awful things. The first step to overcoming such wickedness is to develop a hatred for it, especially in ourselves. I hate gossip. I hate pride. I hate hearing the Lord's name taken in vain. I hate wickedness. The reason why I hate these things is because of God's Holy Spirit Who lives inside of me as a child of God (Romans 8:9). I wish I could shut Hollywood down. I wish I could forever close down Sin City Las Vegas. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil. Psalms 97:10 commands us all to HATE EVIL, just as the Lord hates evil.

Again, the middle letter of the words “SIN” and “PRIDE” is the letter “i.” When I say “overcoming sin” I don't mean sinless perfection, which is impossible in this earthly body. Proverbs 24:16, “For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.” Even the best Christians still commit sin, hurt others and mess-up at times. We all sin every day in deed and thought, whether it be failing to pray earnestly for our nation's leaders, gossiping, watching something unholy on television or taking our eyes off Jesus. When we become proud, we become blinded to our own sins and faults. There's nothing more disgusting than a self-righteousness person.

I'm a big sinner and I dare not condemn anyone for their sins. I preach against open wickedness in our degenerate American culture, and I earnestly expose falsehoods, but I judge no one. I once heard Dr. Jack Hyles say during a Sunday evening service, as I sat to his left listening intently from a pew in the back, that the best Christian in the auditorium probably felt like the worst Christian in the building. That made me feel better, because I did feel like the worst Christian in the building. You see, the closer you draw to God, the worse of sinner you'll feel like, as you see God's in His holiness. Hebrews 12:29, “For our God is a consuming fire.”

The dangerous thing about the sin of pride is that you often don't realize what's happening until it's too late and you're already deep-in-over-your-head. The Bible calls this dangerous tendency, “the deceitfulness of sin.” Hebrews 3:13, “But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.” This Scripture means that the more sin is tolerated, the less awful it seems. The preacher John Wesley wisely said, “What one generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace!” That is so very true!

In the 1930's we tolerated legalized booze in the United States. Then we embraced Hollywood in the late 1940's. Whereas only 6,000 U.S. households owned a television in 1946, by 1952 it was 22,000,000 households who owned a TV set. Our nation tolerated Hugh Hefner's sinister Playboy philosophy in the 1950's, which led to an epidemic of sexual immorality in the 1960's. Consequently, the abortion industry became federal law in the 1970's, to dispose of unwanted children. And now after decades of tolerating Hollywood's sexually perverse influence, our nation has embraced the morally reprehensible homosexual agenda. This is all the result of arrogant, stiffnecked, sinful, pride!!!

Sin must never be allowed to go unchecked in our life, our family, our church or our community. This is why I preach hard and uncompromisingly against the new modern corrupt Bible versions! Most churches have become hardened (calloused) through the deceitfulness of sin, embracing Satan's counterfeits.

It is because of man's wicked pride that he refuses to seek after God. Psalms 10:4, “The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.” As you just read, it is a sin not to include God IN ALL OUR THOUGHTS. When most people go on vacation, they usually leave God behind at home. They go to worldly places, don't pray, and forget about God while. God pity the backslidden believer that goes to Las Vegas (Sin City) for vacation. You couldn't pay me to go to Las Vegas, which is nothing but a place of sexual immorality.

Our nation's schools, universities and colleges are prisonhouses of ignorance, because they leave out God. Proverb 14:3, “In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.” An educator who leaves out God is a fool. 2nd Timothy 3:7, “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

The Bible has much to say about the sin of pride. Proverb 13:10, “Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.” We read in Proverbs that “ONLY BY PRIDE” cometh contention—whether it be a rebellious wife filing for divorce, an abusive husband who mistreats his family, a greedy lawyer who bilks his clients, a dishonest salesman who cheats his customers, or a carnal believer who won't go soul-winning, et cetera. Proverb 13:10, “Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.”

Proverb 13:10, “Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.”
Proverb 13:10, “Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.”
Proverb 13:10, “Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.”
Proverb 13:10, “Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.”

My friend, ONLY BY SINFUL PRIDE comes contention. We all struggle with contention because we are sinners by nature and by choice. Divorces are always caused by the sin of pride. When we sin, it is because of pride. I don't care how much you try to avoid arguments, fighting and contention, they will happen for the rest of your life, because we are all sinners struggling with pride. Romans 12:18, “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”

It is not always possible to live peaceably with all men, because many people are wicked and unreasonable. 2nd Thessalonians 3:1-2, “Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.” That is very interesting that the Apostle Paul requested the prayers of the believers at Thessalonica, that God would deliver them from unsaved enemies who were wicked and unreasonable.

America is quickly descending into wickedness because of sinful pride. It was pride that compelled the U.S. Supreme Court to remove and ban the Holy Bible from all U.S. classrooms in 1962-1963. Since that horrible decision, our nation has deteriorated significantly. I need the prayers of my web visitors, that God would continue to give this Gospel preacher free course to preach THE TRUTH on the internet. Like John the Baptist, I am a voice crying in the wilderness of cyberspace. Proverb:11:2, “When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.” We are losing our liberties and freedoms fast in the United States, because people are not fighting against the blatant encroachments against our God-given liberties. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights do not grant us our rights, but merely outline our God-given inalienable rights. Give me liberty or give me death!!!

steadfast #conspiracy wnd.com

Napoleon was a 33 degree free Mason, Obama IS a 32 Degree Prince Hall Free Mason. George W. Bush was a Skull and Bones member, part of a secret society Chapter 322 a creation of the illuminati. William Jefferson Clinton is a 33 degree Free Mason. George H.W. Bush was a skull and Bones member. Down through our ENTIRE history only THREE Presidents HAVE NOT BEEN either Masons of members of the illuminate.
Who created and even now CONTROLS ALL Free Masons AS WELL as the Illuminate? NONE other than the Black Pope, the leader of the " society of Jesus", the Jesuits. The Jesuits themselves also control the following organizations, all of which are but part of a grand scheme to control ALL PEOPLE'S.

Club of Rome
Knights of Malta
Knights of Columbus
Club of 300
Tri-lateral Commission
Council on Foreign Relations
Bildebergs
Boy scouting
Eastren Star ( masonry for women )
Scottish Rite Free Masonry
Prince Hall free Masonry
Grand Orient Lodge Free Masonry

And many, many other " Johnansinism " organizations as well.

We are, and have been the vassal state of Rome for centuries, but we are only NOW seeing the fullness of its all pervasive undermining of our traditional American Constitution. A constitution that is anathema to the papacy as it stands for freedom of religion and the papacy stands for anything BUT freedom of religion. Just ask Martin Luther, Huss, Calvin, Wesley of thousands of other faithful God fearing men how benevolent the Papacy really is, they were burnt ALIVE at the steak for the high crime of CHOSSING FOR THEMSELVES a relationship with Jesus based upon Gods word alone and NOT upon the Mithrism of the traditions of the papacy.
God Bless

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

In the account the rich man begs Abraham to send Lazarus from the dead to warn his five brothers, lest they also come to Hell and be tormented in the fiery flames. Abraham makes the shocking statement (remember, this is the Lord Jesus giving this factual account of what happened)... Luke 16:31, “And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.” The only proof of God that you are entitled is the light of the Word of God. Please don't be foolish like then rich man who ignored the Bible and went to Hell. One day it will be too late.

I've heard umpteen people throughout my life challenge God and the Bible. They say horrible things like, “I won't believe the Bible until God Himself hands it to me” or “Rich men just wrote the Bible to control the masses.” The late, great, Steve Jobs of Apple Computer, once asked a preacher if God knew about starving children. When the preacher replied “Yes, God knows everything,” Jobs never considered Christianity again.[1] Mr. Jobs is now in the fires of Hell, having died a Buddhist (effectively an atheist because he rejected Jesus Christ, Who is God). Steve Jobs had the Word of God, just as we all do, but he was a fool. Luke 24:25, “Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken.”

Are you a fool too? Will you also go to Hell forever as Steve Jobs? The choice is yours alone to make.

ReaganRebels #fundie youtube.com

America's Most Outspoken Patriot Preacher, exposes the so-called "Religious Left" as fake and phony Christians who do not know Jesus Christ. The Reverend shows how Democrats and Liberals twist God's word around to fit their agenda and encourages all Christians to take a stand against the "religious left."

(The Movie and most of the comments are pure fundie bullshit.)

Alan Minchin #fundie disqus.com

(=More on human tampering, mistranslations or errors in the Bible - It's a pretty long discussion=)

Reverend Bill Carey: If I were, for a minute, to believe that God was guiding the translators, I'd have to believe He was totally incompetent, since the translations frequently disagree with each other, all contain deliberate errors of translation, and many contain a verse the translators KNEW was not part of the original text. Does that sound like the work of God or the guidance of the Holy Spirit to you?
Interpretation is scripture is not at issue here. Translation is. You can "interpret" an incorrectly translated verse any way you want, and you are still going to get the wrong understanding.
...
The importance of the Johannine Comma? Are you kidding? There is not even a shadow of doubt that John never wrote that verse. CENTURIES after John wrote it, some anonymous monk in Europe, charged with copying over the epistle by hand, inserted HIS OWN words into the text. They break the sense of the passage, as they are not pertinent to John's immediate topic. They DO NOT BELONG THERE. Whether one believes the statement or not is irrelevant. Those words are not the word of God, but the word of man, and do not belong in ANY Bible. And the translators ALL knew that.

Alan Minchin: In preparation for either sermons, church magazine articles or notes for a Bible reading discussion group I consult more than one translation of the Bible.
I currently use nine whole Bible translations, of which three are study Bibles. Eight are the work of teams of biblical scholars and one is a "solo" translation.
I also use three "solo" translations of the New Testament alone, alongside various commentaries and dictionaries.
It is noteworthy that all scholars - teams as well as solo academics - have submitted their work to the scrutiny of panels and groups of other biblical scholars, (and involved churches of most denominations), all to guarantee accuracy in what they have produced and which can be seen in today's rich offering of Bibles. We also have the results, since the seventeenth century, of textural criticism the fruits of which can be readily witnessed, not only in modern study bibles and commentaries but on the various Internet Web Sites now available.
In this light, your claims of intentional dishonesty and fraud by scholars over many decades, and that we have today a dishonest and unreliable Bible, such claims are unsustainable. Today's Bibles are more accurate and reliable than at any other time in history. Any discerning reader today can, for themselves, be aware of mistranslations, scribal errors, interpolations as well as cultural influences and practices that came into play in earlier times.
Not only do I see God's "guiding hand" upon the original forty or so biblical authors but it is clearly to be seen in the scholarship that has guided and corrected to where we are today.

Got Questions #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "How is eternity in hell a fair punishment for sin?"

Answer: This is an issue that bothers many people who have an incomplete understanding of three things: the nature of God, the nature of man, and the nature of sin. As fallen, sinful human beings, the nature of God is a difficult concept for us to grasp. We tend to see God as a kind, merciful Being whose love for us overrides and overshadows all His other attributes. Of course God is loving, kind, and merciful, but He is first and foremost a holy and righteous God. So holy is He that He cannot tolerate sin. He is a God whose anger burns against the wicked and disobedient (Isaiah 5:25; Hosea 8:5; Zechariah 10:3). He is not only a loving God—He is love itself! But the Bible also tells us that He hates all manner of sin (Proverbs 6:16-19). And while He is merciful, there are limits to His mercy. “Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon” (Isaiah 55:6-7).

Humanity is corrupted by sin, and that sin is always directly against God. When David sinned by committing adultery with Bathsheba and having Uriah murdered, he responded with an interesting prayer: “Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight…” (Psalm 51:4). Since David had sinned against Bathsheba and Uriah, how could he claim to have only sinned against God? David understood that all sin is ultimately against God. God is an eternal and infinite Being (Psalm 90:2). As a result, all sin requires an eternal punishment. God’s holy, perfect, and infinite character has been offended by our sin. Although to our finite minds our sin is limited in time, to God—who is outside of time—the sin He hates goes on and on. Our sin is eternally before Him and must be eternally punished in order to satisfy His holy justice.

No one understands this better than someone in hell. A perfect example is the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Both died, and the rich man went to hell while Lazarus went to paradise (Luke 16). Of course, the rich man was aware that his sins were only committed during his lifetime. But, interestingly, he never says, “How did I end up here?” That question is never asked in hell. He does not say, “Did I really deserve this? Don't you think this is a little extreme? A little over the top?” He only asks that someone go to his brothers who are still alive and warn them against his fate.

Like the rich man, every sinner in hell has a full realization that he deserves to be there. Each sinner has a fully informed, acutely aware, and sensitive conscience which, in hell, becomes his own tormenter. This is the experience of torture in hell—a person fully aware of his or her sin with a relentlessly accusing conscience, without relief for even one moment. The guilt of sin will produce shame and everlasting self-hatred. The rich man knew that eternal punishment for a lifetime of sins is justified and deserved. That is why he never protested or questioned being in hell.

The realities of eternal damnation, eternal hell, and eternal punishment are frightening and disturbing. But it is good that we might, indeed, be terrified. While this may sound grim, there is good news. God loves us (John 3:16) and wants us to be saved from hell (2 Peter 3:9). But because God is also just and righteous, He cannot allow our sin to go unpunished. Someone has to pay for it. In His great mercy and love, God provided His own payment for our sin. He sent His Son Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for our sins by dying on the cross for us. Jesus’ death was an infinite death because He is the infinite God/man, paying our infinite sin debt, so that we would not have to pay it in hell for eternity (2 Corinthians 5:21). If we confess our sin and place our faith in Christ, asking for God’s forgiveness based on Christ’s sacrifice, we are saved, forgiven, cleansed, and promised an eternal home in heaven. God loved us so much that He provided the means for our salvation, but if we reject His gift of eternal life, we will face the eternal consequences of that decision.

Received #fundie christianforums.com

[After being asked whether he seriously believes it was fair of God to have bears maul 42 youths for calling Elisha a bald guy]

Absolutely. A prophet, by definition, is the mouthpiece of God used by Him to declare the judgment that will come upon certain nations or areas (foretelling and forthtelling). The youths were aware of this. Why the strict judgment? They were openly mocking who they knew to be the prophet of the nations, and they were unknowingly mocking God Himself by doing so. These youths came from the city - that implies knowledge of who Elisha claimed to be. They were sarcastically taunting and insulting the Lord's prophet by telling him to repeat Elijah's translation ("go up"). Mocking one who has a mission to proclaim God's judgment is not a smart idea. Thus, the youths were judged.

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

To love God for who He really is—that is the greatest gift we can ever bring Him. To cherish Him as our greatest Treasure after all the delusions have been stripped away—to love the God who kills and the God who heals with equal fervor. We should be seeking to base our love for God not on all the glorious things He can do for us, but on the real truth about who He is. The mere fact that He created us demands a loyalty and devotion which far surpass what we would offer to any created being.

TruBluBaptist #fundie forums.fark.com

[discussion on Iranian scientists claiming the Holocaust was "exaggerated"]

I tend to agree with it being exagerated, but it did happen, and happened because worldwide jewry turned away from God.

"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."
-Reverend Bailey Smith

"They are the two groups in the world, children of God - those who have received Christ (John 1:12), and the children of the devil - those who reject Christ (John 8:44)."
-Frank G. Huling

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

In the Bible, we find many examples of the specific forms God’s wrath takes in this world, such as:

Killing individuals through supernatural means.
(ex: the fire that consumed Nadab & Abihu; the fire that consumed soldiers who tried to arrest Elijah; God suddenly striking Herod down and causing him to be eaten by maggots; God striking dead the man who touched His Ark)
The mass slaughter of people through supernatural means
(ex: the Red Sea collapsing on the Egyptian army; God raining hailstones down on a fleeing army; God massacring Israelites after King David’s census)
The sudden onset of widespread diseases.
(ex: the plague of boils; the plague that swept through the Israelite camp after they ate quail; the plague of tumors on the Philistines after they stole the Ark)
Supernaturally inflicting humans with dramatic diseases.
(ex: God turning Miriam’s skin white and necrotic; God turning Elisha’s servant Gehazi into a leper)
Terrifying geological events.
(ex: the plague of hail; the ground opening and swallowing Korah)
Causing nature to run amuck.
(ex: the plagues of frogs, locusts, & gnats; the attack of deadly serpents in Israel’s camp; wild lions devouring people in Samaria; the plague of rats on the Philistines after they stole the Ark)
Causing animals to attack individuals.
(ex: the lion that killed a disobedient prophet but left his donkey unharmed)
The sudden destruction of large manmade structures.
(ex: the fall of Jericho; the collapse of the Philistine temple; the fall of the Philistine idol Dagon).
Using human armies to inflict shocking carnage on a massive scale
(ex: the cutting open of pregnant women, the beating of children on rocks, the mass slaughter of men during the fall of Jerusalem)
The degradation of humans.
(ex: the mass rape of women & driving the Jews to cannibalism during the final siege of Jerusalem)
The mass slaughter of children.
(ex: the plague on the firstborn)
The mass slaughter of animals.
(ex: the plague on the livestock)
Do any of these things sound familiar? We read about similar events happening in the news all the time. When scores of children get gunned down by a psychopath in their classroom, what is your first response? Do you wonder where God is and how He could have let such a terrible thing happen? Such questions flatly deny God’s sovereignty. You aren’t getting any points with God by pretending He has nothing to do with shocking and terrible events. When you read about a tree collapsing on a little girl at the exact moment she is walking under it; when you read about a plane crash killing hundreds; when you read about terrorists mass torturing and slaughtering people, don’t be asking “Where’s God?” Open your eyes and see that God is right in the middle of all of these things: causing them to happen for very good reasons.

Now there’s a widespread delusion in the Church that if God ever does something bad to someone, He must be angry at them. No, this is wrong. God wasn’t angry at the unborn children of Israel when He arranged for their pregnant mothers to be run through by swords. God wasn’t angry at men like Daniel and Ezekiel when He trashed their homeland. We have to be very careful when we are interpreting violent acts in the news. Most of the time, God isn’t going to give us specific explanations about why He does what He does. When a tornado flattens a community of people, was God trying to punish those people or was He really going after other people who He knew would be devastated by the loss of that town? Death is only a terrible punishment if we are going to end up in Hell. For Christians, it’s a reward to die—it only devastates those we leave behind. So who is God trying to reach when He causes mass destruction? There is no simple answer. God is a multitasker. He’s always working several angles at once.

Anne Kennedy #fundie patheos.com

A number of critics attack the character of God’s love for all humanity by comparing Hell to Auschwitz. Would a loving God send his creatures there?

There are several differences between hell and Auschwitz, but two are dramatic and must be emphasized: 1. No one would choose to be in Auschwitz and 2. no one would choose to remain there if given the option to leave. Whereas scripture teaches us that the character of the human heart is such that unless God changes us, we would rather live in eternal torment than in harmony with our Creator.

First, our hearts are set against him. We suppress the truth about God (Rom 1:18-33). We willfully violate the laws he reveals in scripture and inscribes on our hearts (Rom 2). We do not seek to know or love God, but rather to replace him (Rom 3:10-20). We are, by nature, children of wrath (Eph 2:3).

Second, this hardened animosity toward God is stronger than our desire to escape anguish and torment. Observe that the Rich Man in Jesus’ parable in Luke 16:19-31 does not ask to be let out of the place of torment and ascend to be with Abraham and the poor man Lazarus. Not at all. He wants Lazarus to come down:
‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’(Luke 16:24)

He sees heaven, sees glory, sees Abraham and doesn’t want it. He wants relief but not redemption.
The parable of Lazarus and the rich man only illustrates the biblical pattern of rebellion. God provides life, love, sustenance, and virtue. Humans respond by repudiating God. As life becomes coarse and suffering increases, the rebellion only gathers steam. Torment does not lead to repentance and dependence but to increased hatred.

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God’s wrath is, for those who reject God, preferable to repentance and surrender which would bring mercy and peace.

We must not, therefore, think of hell as a place where God imprisons people against their will. Hell is the place where the human will is fully actualized.

This leads, of course, to a deeper question. God is omniscient. God knew from eternity those who would be damned. Why did he create them?

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We cannot say then that God created morally neutral beings and then caused them to rebel against him and then punished them for acting according to the evil he created in their hearts. That is, sometimes, the caricature that critics of Christianity like to paint. It is, also, a caricature that many would like to lay at the feet of Calvinism in particular. But the problem is not one that is unique to any one theological perspective. All Christians believe that God is omniscient. Therefore, all must wrestle with the fact that God created many millions of people knowing that they would reject him and live forever in torment.
So God did not create people and then cause them to rebel against him.

God did create people, giving them life, love, the blessings of his created order, truth, common virtue, knowing that they would harden their hearts against him and return his blessings with curses. In fact, he created all people knowing that every single one of us would despise him, his love and his many gracious gifts.

God would be fully justified in handing each of us over to this despising and allowing all humans to continue to hate him for eternity. This would be both consistent with his love – creating, blessing, delighting in the beloved and then giving the beloved the desire of her heart – and consistent with his justice – sinners would experience the consequences of sin.

Instead, he choose to rescue some from this fate and not others. He chose to draw some to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ (John 6:37-40, 44, Romans 8:29-31, Eph 2:4-10) and allow others to follow their own hearts to their own end. As RC Sproul has pointed out so brilliantly, no one is treated unfairly. Some receive mercy. Others justice. No one can complain that God is in the wrong. And no one can say that they have not been loved by him.

But, to return to the problem, God determined to create millions of people, knowing that he would shower them with love and truth and that they would nevertheless hate him and, here’s the crux, knowing that he would not to soften their hatred and turn them to love, knowing that in the end he would say to them, “thy will be done…”

Why?

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Paul, as he often does, asks what appears to be a rhetorical question. But the question is not really an open one. God allows people to follow their hearts and choose hell over repentance so that his loving-kindness to his enemies might be displayed during their lifetimes and his justice might be displayed at the Judgment (Rev.20)

Just judgment makes God’s justice manifest and when his character is revealed. he is glorified.
So is this what it is all about? God’s own glory?

Yes. That is what everything is about. God is the origin and measure of all that is good. A truly good being will glorify all that is good and that means God will glorify himself and all his attributes above all things.

With regard to those who despise him and violate his law, his glory is made manifest in the outworking of his justice – his “doing what is right”

But even then, and this must be observed, God does not merely snuff them out. They bear his image. They are his creatures. He gives even those who hate him the desires of their hearts. They would not have it any other way.

Brian LeCrone #fundie quora.com

Your question is beautiful in its simplicity and in its profoundness. Let's change your question, for a moment, to "What, if anything, in the Bible can we believe as true?" Well, if we are to decide which passages in the Bible are true we must first have some sort of benchmark by which we can measure them.

We should not accept or deny any passage simply because it seems to us to be too incredulous or too desirable. (i.e. deny the 7 day creation or accept Jesus resurrection) That is not a benchmark. That is simply an emotion. We need a good source of credibility. So consider this: Is God, Himself, a good source of credibility? If God stood before you and gave you an answer would you believe it? My answer to that is "Yes."

Countless times in the Old Testament specific people relay to us what God has told them. But I assume that, for many readers today, these individuals lack credibility because there are no corroborating witnesses to verify that God actually said these things to them. So maybe we cannot trust the Old Testament to be true. Please read on.

The New Testament features God speaking to people in a very different form than in the Old Testament ... PERSONALLY, FACE TO FACE, as the man Jesus. God took the form of a human being to address man in a very direct manner. Why should we believe that this happened?

Because it was reported, not by one individual, as in the Old Testament, but by many, we can give the existence of Jesus credibility. The gospels of John, Mark, Mathew and Luke are independent verifications of Jesus' time on this Earth; as well as are the 13 books written by Paul. But why should we believe these guys? We should believe them because of how much they suffered for sticking to their stories.

You see, the Apostles all followed Jesus with fervor while things were going well. But, when Jesus was arrested, they all fled in fear of persecution. They abandoned Him. Even refusing to know Him when confronted. Not one of them attended His crucifixion or even his funeral. But 40 days later they were ALL back out in the public preaching His message. For the rest of their lives they continued preaching, against the threat of death by the Roman government. Each one of these men underwent excruciating torture and death rather than retract their testimony that Jesus rose from the dead or rather than stop preaching his message. To me, that is proof that Jesus did, in fact, raise from death and appear, as indicated, to over 500 people. If Jesus can do that He should be given some credibility in what He says. And, here is the kicker ... HE SAID THAT HE IS GOD.

So we have multiple credible eye witnesses, that all died rather than retract their statements, verifying that He raised from the dead. We have Him establishing to us that He is God. So I think we can believe anything He says. And most of what He says is verified by multiple reports from multiple men. But what about everything else in the Bible?

Well, let's look at the rest of the New Testament. Jesus told the 11 apostles (Judas was no longer with them) that He would put the Holy Spirit in them to guide them in their teachings. For me, that verifies the rest of the New Testament. What about the Old Testament?

Multiple times Jesus referred to Old Testament passages, verifying their truthfulness. I believe that this means all of the Old Testament is true.

So that is the LOGIC that I use to support my belief that every word in the original Bible manuscripts is true and infallible. But consider in the book of John, chapter 20 verse 29, when Jesus, after raising from the dead, stood before His apostle Thomas. Thomas couldn't believe that it was Him until Thomas put his finger into Jesus' wounds. Consider what Jesus then said to Thomas: "Is it because you have seen me that you have believed? How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!"

So I caution you to rely too heavily on logic and proof. Just search the word "faith" in an online Bible and see how much Jesus emphasizes the importance of faith over proof.

God Bless You.

Pastor Chick Salliby #fundie wordandprayer.org


I was 22 years old and lived every one of those years my way. No one had more, did more, or enjoyed more laughs and good times than me. I was young, rich with life, and felt so far from eternity. Then, what I never thought could happen to me one night happened. I was 30 miles over the speed limit, the front tire blew, and as the car swerved wildly, something came up in front. I closed my eyes, there was a deafening crash, and when I opened them again, I was in Hell!
As I stood there momentarily stunned, all at once an awesome realization of what had just taken place—where I was—swept through me like a paralyzing chill. I began turning to find the direction I came in; I ran madly to get out, but soon all hope was gone. As I dropped down, exhausted, staring deeply into the unearthly blackness all around me, one thought passed slowly through my mind—all I had ever gained in life as a rebel, as a sinner, was already not worth it.
I don’t know how long I’ve been here since. Never has a place been more real or I more conscious. I feel like I’m at the bottom of a sewer pit of all that is foul and ugly. I choke in the stench of it. Feelings of hopelessness and painful loneliness burn me within, while towering flames burn me without. I have no defense, even courage is momentary; I cower into a little ball, grit my teeth, and never stop crying.
Everything here is so violent. A lifetime of pain is squeezed into every moment—pain beyond the memory of pain—like thousands of knives tearing me to pieces millions of times over.
I’m constantly being pressed beyond my endurance. I haven’t strength for this torment, enough tears for this sorrow, or room in my mind for such grief such gloom. I scream for it to end, but though my mind collapses, my emotions shatter to dust, and my body, imprisoned in these flames, feels like it burns into ashes: they all reassemble to go through it again, and again, and again.
Worms come at me from everywhere. I keep trying to push them into the flames, but nothing kills them, they keep finding their way back to me. If God lifted the roof off this place and let the world look in, the entire human race would get saved in 30 seconds of time. What horrors await them.
My mind inflicts the greatest torture, as it never stops regretting. I would destroy it, but I can’t quiet it even for a moment. It constantly recalls, over and over, every second of my life on Earth. It is so real; I can’t bear to relive it again. I see, as if I were standing there again, the time my neighbor asked me to receive the Saviour and said he would pray with me. As I hopelessly look on, I scream at myself to do as he asked—“Please, fall down on your knees and pray.” But I watch the scorn I had for the Gospel come back at me, as my own proud arguments and rejections are cast into my own face. I turn away, but the vision is everywhere—tracts that I tore, Bibles I left closed, Christians I laughed at all race like a torrent through my mind.
Behind this mirage, the beauty of Christ is forever inscribed on my memory. The Jesus I long to be with, long to love—the Jesus I can never ever have. At His feet, I see the dust of life’s treasures that I chose over Him, that I sold my soul for. How I hate the person I was that put me here.
How could I have been so great a fool, so totally a traitor to myself, living for the moment, laying up nothing for the person I would eternally be, the person I am today?
Ma, where do I start? Dad, if I had only listened to you. I keep praying that you will never come here, that I will never, ever see you again. Oh God, how hopeless I am!
If I could leave this place, I would do everything and anything for Jesus Christ. When I wasn’t praying and crying in tears for the lost souls bound for these flames, I would be spreading the Gospel far and wide. I’d let nothing distract me, nothing stop me. If I could just come back there one more time, how different my life would be. I’d laugh at desire, junk life’s riches, and fear nothing on Earth but displeasing Christ. But this can never be. How hopeless I am!

Sinner, if I could only stand where you are now, with one more opportunity to cry out for God’s mercy and His precious salvation—the same salvation you hate and refuse. If I only had your chances!
How can you be so sure of yourself when there’s nothing between you and Hell but air? How can you sleep when its flames reach to your feet, when its depths hang right beneath you, anxious to swallow you up without a second’s warning for all eternity? How?
You say, “But I’ve got plenty of time. I’m young and healthy, I’ve got big plans for my future.” Future? Who promised you one? God’s not obligated to give you the next breath of air you hope to breathe. Why are you still alive then? Why aren’t you already in Hell? God’s mercy is the answer. The mercy of an angry God Whose patience you’ve tried, Who can take you out of the world a million different ways, permits you to dangle from your string, to live your life way out on the very edge of eternity.
How totally deceived you are. Behind all of life’s thrills, I can see so clearly what you’re so blind to there, the deceiving Serpent, the slithering crawling snake, hiding behind the camouflage of all you crave. I hear his call in the songs, his laughter in the night life, his evil eyes flash at you in the glitter of all you touch. You have one thing he wants more than anything on Earth: your eternal soul. And, piece by piece, you give it to him. In exchange, he gives you cheap thrills and petty trinkets, like someone feeding swill to a pig he’s fattening for slaughter.
Sinner, you’re doomed. Christ reaches out to you and you turn Him away. His blood flows free to cleanse you and you run from it. You are the laughing stock of demons.
“But I’m free,” you say, “my own person,” and they laugh louder because they see the snake who owns you coiling tighter around you, strangling you in bondage, dragging you to the pit. I’ll see you soon.

"A Letter From Hell" by Pastor Chick Salliby

A Berean #fundie rr-bb.com

[You better not mock the Raptards...or else!!!]

I always remember what happened to the "group of mocking youths" and Elisha! Love that story, because God's Word tells us that "God is not mocked;". Anyone who mocks Christians is really mocking God!

Frankie Lee #fundie wnd.com

[On Jonathan Cahn now that his shemitah predictions have failed]

Cahn preached sound doctrines.Any Christian who had God's Spirit in him/her would bear the same witness.Needless to say,those who opposed him and his messages,is definitely coming from the Dark side,having souls darkened,void of the spirit of God,perhaps twice dead,and these Nay Sayers were reserved to be slaughtered.

The Kingdom of Christ,is distinct,and there is a line cannot be blurred.

These Critics were not afraid of prophets of God,neither can they keep their big mouths shut,and couldn't help themselves but just jump into conclusion,and quick to cast suspicions and smears,to attack man of God,poison them.Anyone simply hating their brethren abides in death.But these brute Beasts had no qualms to offend God,and God''s servants,and they had gone deeper than hate.They bear false witness,and made distortions.

We bore witness that he is a prophet of God,and they say otherwise.It cannot be mistaken,either one among us is making Deceits.THERE IS NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.

One of us,is an Evil doer,had Iniquities,would hear the words of Jesus soon...I NEVER KNEW YOU,DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO DID SINS.EVIL DOERS.LAWLESSNESS.

One fact.One opposer said that, because Johnathan spoke from scriptures,from God''s Words,therefore he is no prophet.

Precisely,one who spoke from Scriptures is God's Prophet,and that is attested by all Christians.God's prophet must believe in the scriptures,teach from scriptures,and that is the true test of a Prophet also.A Christian first,then he might be called to be a prophet.

Mack Major #fundie edendecoded.com

When people get dressed up to go to the nightclub or a bar, they're really dressing to offer themselves as a living sacrifice to demonic spirits that inhabit such places. We'll break that down in a moment.

In life you only get dressed up for religious/spiritual ceremonies.

Think about it: what do we typically get dressed up for? Usually it's for church or some other religious service, a wedding, or a funeral. Even when you get dressed for a job interview, you're really dressing up for the spirit of Mammon, trying to look your best in the hopes of being selected for the opportunity to serve Mammon for a paycheck. This applies equally for going out to the club.

Everything we do in life is done for religious or spiritual reasons

Which is why I laugh when people say they are not religious. Oh yes you are! You just haven't accepted it yet! Folks like myself know better, because we realize that in this world you can only serve one of two masters: God or Lucifer. You don't get to serve both, and you don't get to opt out of serving neither.

There's a very real spiritual danger in going to nightclubs and other such venues. One of the more obvious dangers is the type of dark demonic energy that resides there.

When you willingly go to a place or event where demons are known to hang out at, you are in essence partying with the devil.

And those devils won't just stay behind at the club after you leave. They are there for YOU!

Few can deny that there is a certain atmosphere you find in nightclubs and bars, that's not found anywhere else. And this is because the atmosphere is literally charged with demonic energy. Some of you are suffering problems in your life right now that can be directly attributed to your frequent attendance at night clubs, bars, wild parties and specific festivals that endorse and extremely ungodly atmosphere.

Here's a thought: Some demons can only get into you by being danced into you.

I know that might sound crazy, but I assure you it's not. Let's get into some specifics. In many African, Aboriginal, Native and Asian cultures, dancing served more than just an outlet for entertainment. Dance was ALWAYS associated with occult rituals and shamanism. These rituals were known as an evocation, invocation, or as a summoning.

When the spirits needed to be consulted for guidance by the village elders, meetings were called where the entire village came: from the youngest to the oldest.

Eventually the drums began to beat, and those appointed 'channelers' for the spirits to speak through would begin to 'feel' the rhythm of the music. These were known as conjurers.

As they danced, their wild dancing served as a conduit that would actually summon demons to enter them. And as the demons came into them, their dancing would increase and get wilder and more intense, as the conjurer would eventually become a different person: fully possessed by the spirits.

Have you ever been to a club where someone would inevitably get on the dance floor and act a straight up fool? That person would just seem to zone out and dance uncontrollably when a particular song would come on. Unbeknownst to you and me at the time: we were witnessing a ritual possession taking place right in front of our eyes. Maybe this has even happened to you before.

Now you also know why many singers and dancers will testify to becoming a different person when they are caught up in dancing and performing. They are literally conjuring spirits and becoming possessed during those performances. So be equally careful when listening to such artists and their music.

There's a reason why Christians don't belong in nightclubs.

Nightclubs are nothing more than places where people are gathered and collected to become food for devils.

Some of you may remember the opening scene from the first Blade movie, starring Wesley Snipes. It opened with a club scene, where those present thought they were there just to have a good night out. But instead they ended up becoming food for vampires. (Side note: In the movies, demons are always represented as vampires; hence their aversion to priests and Christian paraphernalia.)

Another movie I recently came across had this same theme of demons hiding in plain sight inside of nightclubs. (Satan is so bold with his works these days that he boldly tells the world about what he's doing through movies.) This movie titled "The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones" featured one such scene where the protagonist and a friend went into a nightclub. While there she witnessed one group of spiritual assassins that she mistook for regular clubbers killing a guy who turns out to have been a demon. No one else present is aware of this spiritual battle taking place right in front of them. (Turns out the ones who killed the demon are the offspring of angels who mated with humans: known in biblical times as the Nephelim. The Nephelim were the ungodly children that came from angels mating with human women, as recorded in Genesis 6. You can't make this stuff up.)

Nightclubs, bars, raves, and other such establishments are set up by people heavily involved in the occult to provide fresh bodies for demons to inhabit - that's their ONLY purpose. And yes, this also includes strip clubs.

You may have thought these establishments were there to entertain you, or provide you with a place to mingle and imbibe refreshing adult beverages. But their true purpose is to lure you there to make it easier for demons to get inside of you. And get inside of you they will.

This is why nothing good ever takes place at bars and clubs. Have you noticed that? There are always fights, shootings, stabbings, robberies and murders that take place either in or right outside of them. People end up hooking up with unsavory people, typically for sex. Therre's a lot of intoxication and drug use associated with bars and clubs. And it's always dark. Have you ever wondered why nightclubs and bars are ALWAYS dark inside? It's because the darkness provides an ideal atmosphere for dark spirits to hide and lurk in.

And the more popular the club, the more demons that are hiding in the music and in the shadows, lusting for their chance to jump into as many people as they can: including someone like you.

So do yourself a favour and stay away.

By the way: what do you think Carnival is? For those who don't know, Carnival is a huge event popular among Afro-Caribbean, Latino and native African people. It's also very popular in big cities like NYC, Philly, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, Baltimore, Houston, etc. Carnival is nothing less than a huge ritual demon conjuring party. What else would you expect when you have thousands of scantily-clad women in the streets filled with drunk-horny guys, simulating sexual acts with each other in an open orgy?

Carnival and its accompanying party known as the J'ouvert Festival is not about celebrating island culture: it's about using that as an excuse to engage in sexual orgies. Both of which are prime environments for demonic spirits to prey on the unsuspecting.

The same applies equally for Mardi Gras: which is the American version of Carnival and J'ouvert.

As born-again believers in Jesus Christ, we are told to stay away from such wicked places and demonic festivities.

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God warns us to stay away from these things because in His wisdom He knows what lurks in the shadows at these places and events. When you attend nightclubs or bars, or engage in Carnival and other such wild parties: you are serving and celebrating demons. And once you've opened yourself up to demonic activity, they will torment you and ultimately destroy everything good in your life. It's what demons do best.

It's time to repent. If you're serious about your walk with Jesus Christ, you need to act like it. No more dipping and dabbling with Satan's devices. It's time to show some sincere loyalty to the God you claim to love so much: or else you're nothing more than a fraud who likes fraternizing with demons. I know this won't go over well with those of you who enjoy the club life, partying and festivities. But you need to ask yourself: what does it say about you when you love the things of Satan more than the things of God?

Stephanie Relfe #conspiracy metatech.org

One blessing of having a website like this one, with such extraordinary information, is that we get to talk on the phone with some very interesting people, many of whom have had really unusual and paranormal things happen to them. That’s often what brings them to this site. This is one reason why we are able to believe all the weird stuff we write about, and have a much better understanding of it, than isolated individuals can.

These are generally not crazy people. They are intelligent, well spoken, from an enormous variety of backgrounds and trainings. Many are, or were, professionals in the business world. A number of them have connections to very famous people.

Many of the people who have talked with us felt that they were going mad with the strange things happening to them, and no one around them believing in such stuff, and therefore it was a great relief to them to find us and learn that similar extremely strange happenings have happened to thousands of other people. While each case is unique, it is amazing how many people who we have talked with often have two or more of the following characteristics:

Metaphysical abilities, even if they had only a glimpse of what was possible, from a few experiences.
Interesting bloodlines, often including a famous or aristocratic person in their background.
Close family member in the military, often the father, and usually not something simple like a soldier, but often a high-ranking officer and/or member of intelligence.
Close family member a high ranking Freemason.
Close experiences with interesting locations, such as Area 51 or other military bases.
Part of childhood spent in Germany, or time spent in other countries with Masonic connections, such as Scotland or Egypt (the only two countries ever to wear kilts), that seemed out of character with the family.
Plus it is very common for them to also have, due to programming –

Extreme money difficulties, even though they were well educated and had no apparent cause for this.
Terrible relationship problems, usually on their own, even if they were good looking, nice, professional people from reasonably happy families.
A few days ago, I was talking with a very nice man who has some interesting abilities, and he had a most interesting story to tell.

He had a very bad childhood. He realized later on that he had been groomed his whole life for a particular position. He was good looking, studying to be an actor in the USA, and dating a daughter of a very powerful member of organized crime. A relative at another college had his photo on her dresser, and his soon-to-be girlfriend saw the photo and said – “I’m going to marry that man.” Presumably, the demons were speaking to her, as you will see.

That girl changed colleges to pursue him. Later on when they were dating she asked him if he would like to have a spirit guide. He agreed, and not much later after that she went to join her witches’ coven that was meeting for Halloween. The man was in his bedroom that Halloween night, when out of a full length mirror, an adult-sized being stepped out.

The being was wearing a long, black cloak and a Quaker hat. He had glowing red eyes. He floated along the floor, three inches above the ground. No feet could be seen. Yet he was present in a total physical, 3-dimensional form. The man whom I am talking about was fully awake. This was no dream.

The being asked the man if he would like to join them. The being was meant to be the man’s spirit guide for life. In return, the man would receive all of the material things that he could ever wish for – fame as a movie star, immense riches, the girl for his wife, everything that he had been programmed to desire. The being was not there to sell the man on the benefits, he was just stating what the deal was. The being assumed that everything had been prearranged by the girlfriend, that this was a done deal.

However, I guess the girlfriend had not sufficiently done her homework, because the man looked at the being, and could clearly tell that this being was evil, and not with God. He chose instead to serve God, and refused the being, even if that meant material hardship to himself.

When he did that, the being reached to grab his heart. To protect himself, the man closed his eyes and meditated. He saw himself surrounded by Maharishi (he had done Transcendental Meditation – we don’t recommend that, but include this information as part of the story) and Christ’s light which was warm and golden. The being was not able to get through to him.

So the being returned to the mirror. The man was told later by his girlfriend that the being appeared at the coven that night, and hit the leader of the coven in the chest. The leader of the coven died, but was taken to hospital, and was revived later in the hospital (I guess that was a near-death experience). However, the coven leader was very sick for years later on.

Note about spirit guides: We do not recommend you have any spirit guides. Years before I met Michael and became a Christian, I occasionaly talked to two spirit guides I had. Eventually, however, I realized that they weren’t too smart, and that I did not need them. God and my higher self provided all the information I needed. I therefore asked them to leave (which they did). You have the Holy Spirit in your heart, and do not need to go anywhere else for guidance.

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The being with the Quaker hat used the mirror as a portal. A portal is an unseen vortex that connects two places through time and space, and even dimensions or other realities or timelines.

I absolutely believe the story of the being coming out of the mirror and talking with the man. I was thinking about that story when Michael sent me a video of a psychic investigator, a woman who can see energies in and around people. In the first video she says that cell phones open up portals to other dimensions. We had already much reason to believe that, having seen the effect they have on people, and how super addicted people are to their phones, particularly smart phones.

I have also seen posts on a forum where people were discussing how within the last few years people have become extremely rude, lazy and self-centered at work, and that this started almost exactly the same time that the smart phones were introduced.


In the second video, she says that a mirror opens up a portal to another dimension. A hallway that has mirrors on both sides, so that they are opposing each other, is described as “a tunnel from Hell”.


HOW I STOPPED MY SCREAMING NIGHTMARES

It was watching the above video, and thinking of the story of the being who walked out of the mirror that a major realization hit me: The appalling nightmares that I had been having for the past three years, all started when we moved into a house that had mirrors on a closet in the bedroom! And the second house we moved into, the one we were in at time of writing, also has a mirror within line of sight of the bedroom.

I was having the most terrible nightmares you can possibly imagine for the past three years. They were so bad I would wake up screaming so loudly that my throat was sore for a while afterwards. They were so bad and so unique that I feel that they were not just a nightmare – something was trying to kill me.

The first time this happened was around 2011. I had virtually never had nightmares my whole life, except for some in my childhood of monsters taking me and my siblings (these no doubt came from the fact that we had to walk quite a long way on our own to and from elementary school, and I was scared to, after being told that people try to pick up and murder children, and my mother refused to take us in the car. Plus being abducted once as a child probably contributed to them as well).

Nearly all of these nightmares were similar. They lasted much less than a second, about as fast as a gun shot, thus giving me no time to respond. I am sure these nightmares were meant to kill me. There was a blast of energy, so powerful, that I was convinced it had killed me and everyone around me, and there was nothing but blackness and despair and the most awful feeling of total hopelessness you can possibly imagine. When I woke up screaming, I was surprised to find that I was alive.
The first time it happened I immediately remembered the story that if people die in a dream, they die in real life (Ref: Movie Dreamscape with Dennis Quaid).

The screaming was so bad my throat hurt for a while afterwards. These nightmares reminded me of the stories I have heard of totally healthy people going to bed and never waking up again. In some cases in China, the person’s hair was been found to turn white.

I have had maybe 30 or 40 of these dreams, averaging around one a month. We continually prayed and muscle tested to find out how these attacks were getting through. There is always a reason for something like this happening. The curse causeless shall not come. Proverbs 26:2.

Unfortunately, the body can only say “yes” or “no” when muscle testing, and we weren’t able to find anything to do. I had prayed off everything to do with family lines, past life sins and other related subjects. We had done everything possible to get all cursed objects out of the house. We had no ‘welcome’ mat inviting demons in. We also have a mezuzah stuck on every door leading to outside, plus the bedroom door. (A mesuzah is a small container which contains quotes from the bible). But still the nightmares continued, so something was still letting the demons in.

And then, shortly after talking with the man on the phone and seeing the above videos, it hit me! The nightmares started when we moved into a house with mirrors covering the closet in the master bedroom. The mirrors were an open portal to other dimensions!

I knew from feng shui that one should not have mirrors in the bedroom, because it causes restless energy. I realize now that mirrors do more than just increase the energy in a room. They let in evil spirits. We were renting, and because the mirrors were on folding doors of the closet, I could not work out how to cover them, and did not realize at the time how important it was that I do so.

Then, a year later, when we moved into another house, the one we were in at time of writing, I hoped that the nightmares would stop. They did not. This time while there were no mirrors in the bedroom, the idiots who designed the house did not put a door between the bedroom and the bathroom, just an open arch. Since we were renting, there wasn’t much I thought I could do. Part of the large vanity mirror looked almost directly into the bedroom, and I ignored the part of my mind that told me it was important to do something about it.

Once I realized that the bathroom mirror was letting something in that was causing my nightmares, I had two choices – cover up the mirror, or put bible verses on it, similar to the way the mezuzahs protect doorways. We know that words have more power than we know of, since, for example, aliens use them as part of their technology,

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and even CERN, the large hadron collider, that’s 17 miles (27 Km) long, seems to use words as part of whatever strange things it is used for. See the sanskrit words that are on CERN, pictured below.

Some people have even suggested that the purpose of CERN is to create black holes that will let in evil beings from other dimensions. All we know for sure is that it is very strange to put a statue of Shiva the destroyer out the front of a supposedly scientific research station, and that these sanskrit words in CERN likely do not have a good purpose:

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In addition to the power of words, we know that there are legal laws that Lucifer and his gang have to follow. For example, when Bill Schnoebelen was a vampire, he could not go into anyone’s house until they invited him in. For example, if he and his wife visited someone for a party, they would stand around and talk on the front doorstep, until the host would say something like, “What are we all standing around here for? Come on in.”

So I chose to print out the following, and tape this on every mirror in the house. Even hand mirrors have this now in super tiny, font size 4;

In the name of Jesus’ Christ, may we, this house, our finances and possessions be protected from all spirits who do not serve God the Creator and Jesus Christ.

Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Corinthians1, 10:31

He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5

He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying “This is my body which is given for you, do this in remembrance of me”. Luke 22:19

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Update – 6/17/15

It works! Normally in the 9 months that has gone, I would have had over many dozens of horrific nightmares. I have had not one of the really, really bad ones. In the few weeks after I posted on the mirror, I did have a few minor nightmares, but we found a cursed object (some comic pictures) that had been accidentally left in the bedroom, and removed them. Since doing that, I have been nightmare free!

We are also waking up with more energy.

Around the time that the nightmares started, I started feeling old sometimes, for the first time in my life. This seemed strange because we have a very healthy diet and lifestyle. It seemed that I could have this feeling of weariness, even when I had plenty of sleep, and no sleep debt. That feeling has not been with me since I put the quotes on the mirrors. Sometimes I feel almost 30 again (I’m 54).

Update – 1/4/16 –

REMOVE ALL PICTURES, BOOKS, MAGAZINES, TOYS FROM YOUR BEDROOM

It’s now been 15 months with no nightmares, except for last night. Last night was a shocker; I was completely ‘dead’, hit by lightning, blackness and devastation everywhere etc, and screaming for a long time, with a very hoarse voice.

I realized that the demons got in through a glyph; that is, a special kind of picture. I learned from a woman who made the mistake of being involved with journeying, that glyphs are portals to other dimensions.

The glyph was something in a copy of the Robb Report magazine, that I had foolishly left in the bedroom. This happened again one other time later when a catalog was accidentally left in the bedroom.

Get anything with a picture or logo out of your bedroom; all magazines, catalogs, books, toys and pictures, especially anything that is connected with corporations.

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More evidence that mirrors are portals to other dimensions, and allow evil spirits into the room, or maybe even into the whole house:

1) According to Japanese Legend,

If you reflect two mirrors into each other at midnight a demon pops out.

2) In Animal Planet’s The Haunted, some haunted houses are caused by demons who can’t get back into the mirror.

They believe that mirrors are possibly portals for spirits and that some spirits were invoked by mirrors. Once the spirits were called through by the use of the mirrors, who ever did it, just walked away and did not send them back through the mirror portal. So the spirits were trapped.

They also found that some of the mirrors had been covered and some had actually been painted black preventing them from going back through.

3) Chinese cover up mirrors to stop bad things coming out.

Posted on a forum:

“I lived in China for two years working in the fashion industry…I used to visit many factories, etc, and could never work out why all the mirrors always had covers over them. Because I needed to actually use the mirrors lol, I’d have to constantly take the covers from them.

I finally asked … ‘why do you guys always cover the mirrors?… they were not very good at answering this question…

I kept up my questioning, and the only answer I got that made any sense was…. “bad things come out”

… I guess they meant demons…”

4) Alice in Wonderland.

The Illuminati, who make full use of black magick, seem to have an obsession with this book, which is chock full of imagery to do with mind control and perverted predations on children (See some creepy photos of Lewis Carroll and 10-year-old Alice here if you wish).

Alice’s MK-Ultra/abuse probably started with her Oxford University Vice-Chancellor father Henry Liddell, who was also the Dean of Christ Church and he probably allowed her to be used by people like the Reverend Robinson Duckworth (was a chaplain/member of the Order of St. John, with its Maltese style cross always used by the powers that be) who rowed the boat [this nursery rhyme was probably sung in their “entertaining” of the girls: “Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream.” (more dissociation ((don’t worry about the abuse, just keep rowing ((keep following the white rabbit, keep following the yellow brick road etc etc))… it’s all just a dream anyway, in MK-Ultra this is partly how dissociation is used; dreams, fantasy and reality are confused)), nursery rhymes/fairy tales are all full of it)].

After Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll wrote Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There, in which Alice enters a fantastical world, this time by climbing through a mirror. Here is a quote about that:

“Members of the bloodlines intentionally insert Illuminati symbols in popular movies and other media in order to bring what Fritz Springmeier calls the “Externalisation of the Hierarchy”…

Walt Disney was commissioned by the Illuminati to produce films such as Fantasia and Alice in Wonderland for mind control purposes. Disney movies are the main films used in mind control but other films such as Wizard of Oz, Star Wars, Star Trek and even The Holy Bible are used in Monarch Mind-Control Programming.”

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Demons love mirrors, and many occultists believe mirrors are a way in which to see into the spirit world. Many mirrors are used in movies and cartoons in order to see into the spirit world. Walt Disney is infamous for portraying mirrors in this way.”

For more information on this, and to see some creepy pictures, see this article.

5) Astral projection practitioners get stuck in mirrors.

Posted on a forum:

“If you are astral projecting, have an out-of-body-experience and you move through a mirror you get trapped in a parallel plane. Very hard to get out of, most get out when the natural body awakens and you are sucked back.”

“I’ve heard of more than one astral projector getting stuck in a mirror.”
6) Bloody Mary ‘game’ and folklore

Do not let children or anyone play this game! Chanting “Bloody Mary” is said to conjure up a demon from a mirror, so much so that it is a well known ‘game’. Explain to children how bad this is. The best way to do that is to watch the Interview with an Ex-Vampire interview (warning, there are references to doing horrible things with children).

Also be very sure to burn all ouija boards. Many people have been cursed after playing this game.

7) The superstition that breaking a mirror brings seven years’ bad luck.

Maybe this is a warning from the demons to not do it?

8) Jews cover up mirrors after death.

Maybe in the old days, before vaccines prevented people from having spiritual eyes, people knew that mirrors could trap the spirit in the mirror, after the spirit left the body, as the astral projectors get stuck?

9) Demons seen in mirrors.

Comment on a forum:

“Many years ago I knew an antiques dealer, he had a mirror that he sold, the people that bought the mirror, returned it to him. The reason for this return, was that they didn’t like seeing other people in the mirror, people that weren’t there!”

10) Full length mirrors are too cheap.

Recently when we were looking for a full length mirror, we were rather surprised at how cheap they were. You can buy a really nice wooden one for just $50, and simple ones for just $8.

Since the evil ones own the printing presses and don’t care about money, just serving evil spirits, subverting people and getting access to children, we think it not unlikely that some mirror-making companies are owned by the reptilians and/or Illuminati, and they are deliberately making them available at a cheap price, to encourage more people to put full length mirrors in bedrooms, so that beings with long, black capes and Quaker hats and red, glowing eyes can come into the room.

11) They are building more and more houses and condominiums with NO door between the bedroom and bathroom, ensuring that there is no barrier between a large mirror and the bed. Even luxury condominiums worth hundreds of thousands of dollars do this!

12) The book of Enoch: Fallen Angels taught Men to make Mirrors

“Moreover Azazyel, taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.”

Chapter 8. 1. (Azazyel is Lucifer’s aide-de-camp General).

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Final Comment

It makes sense that the bigger the mirror, the bigger the demon that can walks out of it. I imagine it would have been hard or maybe impossible for the being who appeared to the man on Halloween night, to have walked out through a small face mirror. The thought of aristocracy comes to mind, and all the giant mirrors they have all over their houses. These are the people who need our prayers the most as they are so often controlled by the forces of evil, and helping them to free themselves from demonic control is crucial to freeing ourselves and creating Heaven on Earth. For example, read the true story of the statue that came to life in the grounds of an aristocrat’s mansion.

Please remove all mirrors from your bedroom, if you can, and put some bible verses on all mirrors that you keep, and see what difference it makes to your happiness and wellbeing.

Please tell your friends and family about this. Imagine the huge difference it will make to the world when creepy beings and demons cannot get into people’s houses so easily!

Rev. Timothy G. Muse #fundie iidb.org

[There is no denying, Reverend, that God metes out his 'justice' with pain and suffering on a grand scale...]

just because God's acts are mighty and violent (in a holy sense of justice) does not mean either he or his law is to be looked down upon... in the same way that both the President, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Chief of Intelligence, the Supreme Court, etc. deal with matters on a much grander scale than your local Barney Fife.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

If enough Americans felt the way I do, we'd be able to run the wicked out of this nation! And a glorious day that would be! Thankfully (and I get goosebumps just thinking about it) the Lord is literarily coming back one day soon, and when He does the wicked are going to tremble as they face the reality of the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Carrie Underwood is headed for that Lake of Fire. Judas knew Jesus and went straight to Hell.

I say hooray to Jesus!!! Yeah Jesus!!! If you want to cheer and shout for lesbians and bisexuals, for God-haters and seducers, for blasphemers and adulterers, for sluts and sleazy singers, for drunkard actors and drug-addicted entertainers, for immoral sports athletes and rebels, for sicko comedians and low-life American Idols, for idolaters and sex-perverts—then you go right on ahead my friend, but Jesus Christ is coming back soon, and He's not in a good mood (I assure you) over the wickedness in the world today.

Hebrews 1:9 quotes Psalms 45:7 concerning Christ, “Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” Psalms 97:10, “Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.” The Lord hates evil and so should we as Christians. Sadly, most professed Christians today are cowards, silent concerning public evils and abominations. Carrie Underwood is leading a generation of youth into sexual immorality and sin. This is not of God.

Underwood's fans may think she is humble, but she's arrogant and sinfully proud. Anytime we choose to place our self upon the throne of our life instead of God, it's only because we are sinfully proud. Underwood's videos are all sensual, looking at the camera like she wants to have sex with the viewer. That's exactly what they're intended to do. It's all part of the Communist moral subversion of America. Sadly, young people today think everything's a big joke. The laugh about preaching and morals. When 42 children mocked Elisha's bald head as the preacher, telling him to get lost, two female bears tore them up severely and no doubt many died (2nd Kings 2:23-24).

Only a fool mocks the things of Jesus Christ. Noah's sons backed toward their father, taking great caution to avoid looking upon his nakedness. This teaches us the proper attitude toward nakedness. For Carrie Underwood to flaunt her healthy body that God gave her, wearing the attire of a prostitute, gyrating in sexual positions for every lustful man and woman to sinfully commit adultery in their heart with—is wickedness beyond description.

Liz P. #fundie youtube.com

+Wesley Chetty
Jesting is not good either... it is on the list of those not making it into the kingdom of heaven... read verse 4 below.

Ephesians 5: 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor JESTING, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Lazarus #fundie freeconservatives.com

God has clearly condemned homosexuality as a sexual perversion - its spelled out plainly in the scriptures...
There is nothing genetic or natural about it... It is a volitional choice made by the individual... All this talk of genetics is nothing but Satanic disinformation... Nothing about homosexuality is accpetable... If you accept homosexuality as a legitimate alternate lifestyle, then so also must you accept pedaphilia, necrophilia, and bestiality as legitimate alternatives...

Shelley Seek #fundie onenewsnow.com

(On "The Golden Compass" movie):

Although I am disturbed to hear about this movie especially being promoted for children I understand that it is warfare. The enemy comes to kill, steal and destroy and it is our job as Christians to fight against this. Not only through emails but also on our knees. I pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and come against this spirit of witchcraft that is trying to control and decieve and steal our children. Bind up the works of the enemy and cancel his plans and plots to destroy the Kingdom of God. I declare to you satan that you have no right authority to do what you are doing and I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. I loose the opening of the peoples eyes to see the enemy for what he is. The people that are possibly thinking about viewing this movie and the actors and producers in it. God just as Elisha asked for his servants eyes to be open to see into the spiritual so I ask for the eyes of these people to be opened no more deception but the Truth of the Living God will saturate them and where they were blind now they will see. I thank you Jesus for your revelation in this and we will war by revelation in your name and by your Spirit and your Blood. I call forth salvation for those that do not know you and I ask Lord for you to place spirit filled, on fire believers in the midst of this to also declare your truth. In the name of Jesus. Amen

Mrs. Debbie #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Baptists never left the Catholic church; we were never part of it; we existed before it did.


Who started the church?

Lutheran - Martin Luther
Reformed - John Calvin
Presbyterian - John Knox
Methodist - John Wesley
Baptist - Jesus Christ

Where was the church started?

Lutheran - Germany
Reformed - Switzerland, Netherlands
Presbyterian - Scotland
Episcopalians - England
Baptist - Palestine

David J. Stewart #fundie #racist #sexist #homophobia #wingnut #conspiracy #pratt jesus-is-savior.com

I don't condemn anyone, for the Bible condemns all of us as guilty, dirty, rotten, hell-deserving sinners. My salvation solely rests in Christ's righteousness, because of the precious blood that He gave for our sins. My intention is not to be unkind; but rather, to expose King's false teachings and Communist agenda.

Martin Luther King Jr.'s real birth name was Michael King Jr. Although his father later decided to rename Michael to “Martin Luther” King Jr. (after martin Luther the reformer), there was never any legal name change. Michael King Jr. was born and died as Michael King Jr.

Christianity Today promotes Communist Martin Luther King Jr. According to ChristianityToday, “No Christian played a more prominent role in the century's most significant social justice movement.” This is tragic! Few Christians are aware of the evils of Martin Luther King Jr. — King was an IMPOSTER as you will see clearly in this article. To no surprise, ChristianityToday also promotes Rock Music, Witchcraft, Homosexuality and Satanism. Billy Graham is the organization's founder. In 1965, the so-called “reverend” Martin Luther King Jr. did a Playboy (that's right, Hugh Hefner's Playboy empire of sexual lasciviousness, adultery and smut) interview with Alex Haley. No pastor worth his salt would ever do a Playboy interview. Shame on Mr. King!

Here are some facts about Martin Luther King Jr. that you won't hear from the liberal, leftist, mainstream newsmedia . . .

1. Martin Luther King Jr. was NO born-again Christian. King propagated a social Gospel of ecumenism (which is still strongly followed today by African Americans), but King certainly did NOT preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In his writings, King openly denied Christ's virgin birth, deity and bodily resurrection (effectively making King an atheist). Sadly, King is burning in the fires of Hell this very minute!!!

2. Martin Luther King Jr. was NO Baptist Preacher. Many of King's doctrines were way out in left field. As mentioned, he denied the bodily resurrection of Christ, Jesus deity, the virgin birth and believed that spirituality could be gained through “religious experience” as he termed it. King did not hold to the historical orthodox Baptist positions.

3. The “social justice” which Christianity Today praises was nothing less than a continued Communist conspiracy to destabilize America. This "social justice" has spawned feminism, homosexuality, gay-marriage, abortion, and a host of other evils in America. Freedom without moral restraint is no freedom at all and can only lead to certain bondage. The social justice which King propagated was not just a fight for equality amongst African Americans, but was largely a campaign to morally bankrupt America. Communism found a willing servant in Martin Luther King Jr. Today, America is largely Communist. Unbeknownst to most Americans, Karl Marx's 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto have been fulfilled already in America. For example, the 10th plank called for the creation of a public school system. The 5th plank called for a central bank. Communism's ultimate goal is the total destruction of America's sovereignty, economy, land ownership rights, Bill of Rights, U.S. Constitution, and Christianity.

Dota #fundie archive.today

I also tried searching the phrase “Jewish supremacy” and ended up with reports attacking individuals like David Duke, individuals who exposed Jewish supremacist ideas. That’s Jewish logic for you: that the Jew can tarnish reputations by labeling people racist whereas anyone who accuses the morally upright Jew of racism is also racist. What was that line about Jews supporting diversity and ‘tolerance’ in North America while defending Jewish fascism in Israel?

The anti bullying campaign lifted off in Canada amidst a great deal of media fervor and fanfare. I believe the impetus for this movement were the suicides of Rehtaeh Parsons and Amanda Todd. In traditional WASP culture (ie American/Canadian culture) kids were taught to stand up to their bullies but today kids are taught to lean on authority to solve their problems. The issue however goes deeper than this.

The State has spoken and insists that it will undemocratically imposes the views of 1% on the other 99%. Make no mistake, the real bullies here are elite puppets like Laurel Broten.

Anti-bullying has now been extended to monitor online bullying as well. The “Stop hating online” campaign basically conditions young people to practice self censorship. The official rationale is that intimate photos must not be distributed with the intent of tormenting people. While such a motive is laudable I still fail to see why the state must become involved in what is essentially a dispute between private individuals.

In a somewhat related incident, a private conversation on Facebook stirred up a hornets nest at the University of Ottawa. Anne-Marie Roy (President of the student federation) became the subject of a sexually course conversation between 5 friends on Facebook. A screen shot of the conversation was anonymously emailed to her and she went public with it decrying “rape culture” (whatever that means). This feminist fruitcake has obviously never visited Pakistan or Afghanistan. Four of the five threatened her with legal action but later withdrew their threats. The usual assortment of idiots (feminists, liberals, manginas) applauded her “bravery” for speaking out against “rape culture”; as if speaking out on a topic that is widely covered by the mainstream media requires courage. Idiots like Roy remind me of people like Robert Spencer and Pam Geller who “bravely” bash Islam knowing full well that it is actually fashionable to do so. Granted that some Muslims deserve to be bashed (Pakistanis/Afghans/ Khaliji Arabs) and should be taken to task for collectively stupid behaviour, but I digress. Roy has single-handedly destroyed the reputation of five men that had a private conversation which did her no harm. The conversation contained no threats made against her and was purely private. Yet despite these facts Roy has herself genuinely convinced that SHE is the victim, thereby demonstrating her inability to tell right from wrong. In our culture of excessive victim coddling it would appear that intent is indeed in the eye of the beholder. According to lunatic liberals, American and Canadian universities are saturated with ”rape culture”, women like Roy are victims, and society oppresses and bullies gays. War is peace and freedom is slavery.

John Oakes #fundie evidenceforchristianity.org

There is a third reason many do not accept faith in Jesus. This group may very well be the largest group, but I have not studied the question carefully. This is the group who are well aware, or at least sufficiently well aware of who Jesus is and the evidence for the Bible and for the deity of Christ, but who are unwilling to accept the implications. If Jesus is Lord and master, then I am his servant. If what Jesus said is true, then I am in trouble over my sin and need to repent of that sin. For a great number of people, the requirement of Jesus that we repent of our sins and turn our life over to him is sufficient reason to not be a Christian. What a great number of people do about this fact is that they choose not to believe. To believe is to necessitate change. We rationalize our unbelief. The way Paul puts it in Romans 1:18,19 many, because of their unrighteousness, “suppress the truth, since what can be known about God is evident…” The way Jesus put it, “This, then, is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil.” The people in Jesus’ day had plenty of reason to believe in Jesus. The resurrection of Lazarus spoke for itself. Yet, many refuse to come into the light. What these people end up doing is they find a way to rationalize away belief in Jesus. They manufacture logical arguments, twist or ignore data to justify not believing in Jesus. I have read a great number of books by skeptics and critics of Christianity. Most of their arguments are so obviously false as to be silly, yet these writers are convinced of their arguments. It is my experience that what people believe has more to do with emotion than evidence. When belief in something challenges our security, our pride, our desire to seek pleasure, we are more than willing to conveniently ignore the evidence and to construct a belief in something that is not true. I believe that if you think about it, you will be able to think of many personal situations of people you know who blatantly ignore obvious truth because they cannot handle the implications.

So, there are a variety of reasons people do not believe. One thing for sure, it is not for lack of evidence or due to lack of time for the evidence to have gotten around. Our job as believers is to try to help all three groups of non-believers to come into the light through our personal example and careful instruction.

The reason you do not see the evidence for Christ on TV or in the media in general is that Satan and non-believers in general have control of the media. The reason information about DNA has spread whereas the gospel has not is that people, in general, do not have an emotional reason to reject belief in DNA.

My #conspiracy yahoo.com

[Commenting on an article about Jeb Bush's connections to terrorist Orlando Bosch, mastermind behind the Cubana Flight 455 bombing]

"Direct danger" Obama just happened to know 60's far-left radical revolutionary William Ayers, whose father just happened to be Thomas Ayers, who just happened to be a close friend of Obama’s communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, who just happened to work at the communist-sympathizing Chicago Defender with Vernon Jarrett, who just happened to later become the father-in-law of Iranian-born leftist Valerie Jarrett, who Obama just happened to choose as his closest White House advisor, and who just happened to have been CEO of Habitat Company, which just happened to manage public housing in Chicago, which just happened to get millions of dollars from the Illinois state legislature, and which just happened not to properly maintain the housing—which eventually just happened to require demolition.

Valerie Jarrett also just happened to work for the city of Chicago, and just happened to hire Michelle LaVaughan Robinson (later Mrs.Obama), who just happened to have worked at the Sidley Austin law firm, where former fugitive from the FBI Bernardine Dohrn also just happened to work, and where Barack Obama just happened to get a summer job.

Bernardine Dohrn just happened to be married to William Ayers, with whom she just happened to have hidden from the FBI at a San Francisco marina, along with Donald Warden, who just happened to change his name to Khalid al-Mansour, and Warden/al-Mansour just happened to be a mentor of Black Panther Party founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale and a close associate of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, and al-Mansour just happened to be financial adviser to a Saudi Prince, who just happened to donate cash to Harvard, for which Obama just happened to get a critical letter of recommendation from Percy Sutton, who just happened to have been the attorney for MalcolmX, who just happened to know Kenyan politician Tom Mboya, who just happened to be a close friend of Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., who just happened to meet Malcolm X when he traveled to Kenya.

Obama, Sr. just happened to have his education at the University of Hawaii paid for by the Laubach Literacy Institute, which just happened to have been supported by Elizabeth Mooney Kirk, who just happened to be a friend of Malcolm X, who just happened to have been associated with the Nation of Islam, which was later headed by Louis Farrakhan, who just happens to live very close to Obama’s Chicago mansion, which also just happens to be located very close to the residence of William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who just happen to have been occasional baby-sitters for Malia and Natasha Obama, whose parents just happened to have no concern exposing their daughters to bomb-making communists.

After attending Occidental College and Columbia University, where he just happened to have foreign Muslim roommates, Obama moved to Chicago to work for the Industrial Areas Foundation, an organization that just happened to have been founded by Marxist and radical agitator Saul “the Red” Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals, who just happened to be the topic of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s thesis at Wellesley College, and Obama’s $25,000 salary at IAF just happened to be funded by a grant from the Woods Fund, which was founded by the Woods family, whose Sahara Coal company just happened to provide coal to Commonwealth Edison, whose CEO just happened to be Thomas Ayers, whose son William Ayers just happened to serve on the board of the Woods Fund, along with Obama.

Obama also worked on voter registration drives in Chicago in the 1980sand just happened to work with leftist political groups like the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and Socialist International (SI), through which Obama met Carl Davidson, who just happened to travel to Cuba during the Vietnam War to sabotage the U.S. war effort, and who just happened to be a former member of the SDS and a member of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, which just happened to sponsor a 2002 anti-war rally at which Obama spoke, and which just happened to have been organized by Marilyn Katz, a former SDS activist and later public relations consultant who just happened to be a long-time friend of Obama’s political hatchet man, David Axelrod.

Obama joined Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC), whose pastor was Reverend Jeremiah Wright, a fiery orator who just happened to preach Marxism and Black Liberation Theology and who delivered anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-American sermons, which Obama just happened never to hear because he just happened to miss church only on the days when Wright was at his “most enthusiastic,” and Obama just happened never to notice that Oprah Winfrey left the church because it was too radical, and just happened never to notice that the church gave the vile anti-Semitic Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.

Although no one had ever heard of him at the time, Obama just happened to receive an impossible-to-believe $125,000 advance to write a book about race relations, which he just happened to fail to write while using the cash to vacation in Bali with his wife Michelle, and despite his record of non-writing he just happened to receive a second advance, for $40,000, from another publisher, and he eventually completed a manuscript called Dreams From My Father, which just happened to strongly reflect the writing style of William Ayers, who just happened to trample on an American flag for the cover photograph of the popular Chicago magazine, which Obama just happened never to see even though it appeared on newsstands throughout the city.

Obama was hired by the law firm Miner, Banhill and Galland, which just happened to specialize in negotiating state government contracts to develop low-income housing and which just happened to deal with now-imprisoned Tony Rezko and his firm Rezar, and with slumlord Valerie Jarrett, and the law firm’s Judson Miner just happened to have been a classmate of Bernardine Dohrn, wife of William Ayers.

In 1994 Obama represented ACORN and another plaintiff in a lawsuit against Citibank for denying mortgages to blacks (Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Federal Savings Bank), and the lawsuit just happened to result in banks being blackmailed into approving subprime loans for poor credit risks, a trend which just happened to spread nationwide, and which just happened to lead to the collapse of the housing bubble, which just happened to help Obama defeat John McCain in the 2008 presidential election.

In 1996 Obama ran for the Illinois State Senate and joined the “New Party,” which just happened to promote Marxism, and Dr. Quentin Yong, a socialist who just happened to support a government takeover of the health care system, supported Obama.

In late 1999 Obama purportedly engaged in homosexual activities and cocaine-snorting in the back of a limousine with a man named Larry Sinclair, who claims he was contacted in late 2007 by Donald Young, who just happened to be the gay choir director of Obama’s Chicago church and who shared information with Sinclair about Obama and Young just happened to be murdered on December 23, 2007, just weeks after Larry Bland, another gay member of the church, just happened to be murdered, and both murders just happened to have never been solved. In 2008 Sinclair held a press conference to discuss his claims, and just happened to be arrested immediately after the event, based on a warrant issued by Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, who just happens to be the son of Joe Biden.

In 2003 Obama and his wife attended a dinner in honor of Rashid Khalidi, who just happened to be a former PLO operative, harsh critic of Israel, and advocate of Palestinian rights, and who Obama claims he does not know, even though the Obama's just happened to have dined more than once at the home of Khalidi and his wife, Mona, and just happened to have used them as occasional baby-sitters. Obama reportedly praised Khalidi at the decidedly anti-Semitic event, which William Ayers just happened to also attend, and the event Obama pretends he never attended was sponsored by the Arab American Action Network, to which Obama just happened to have funneled cash while serving on the board of the Woods Fund with William Ayers, and one speaker at the dinner remarked that if Palestinians cannot secure a return of their land, Israel “will never see a day of peace,” and entertainment at the dinner included a Muslim children’s dance whose performances just happened to include simulated beheadings with fake swords, and stomping on American, Israeli, and British flags, and Obama allegedly told the audience that “Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine” and there has been “genocide against the Palestinian people by (the) Israelis,” and the Los Angeles Times has a videotape of the event but just happens to refuse to make it public.

In the 2004 Illinois Democrat primary race for the U.S. Senate, front-runner Blair Hull just happened to be forced out of the race after
David Axelrod just happened to manage to get Hull’s sealed divorce records unsealed, which just happened to enable Obama to win the primary, so he could face popular Republican
Jack Ryan, whose sealed child custody records from his divorce just happened to become unsealed, forcing Ryan to withdraw from the race, which just happened to enable the unqualified Obama to waltz into the U.S. Senate, where, after a mere 143 days of work, he just happened to decide he was qualified to run for President of the United States.
Now! Maybe you can see light at the end of the tunnel!

That this Buffoon in the White House is out to take down America,,,,

Lita Cosner #fundie creation.com

[Justification for the mauling of 42 youths by bears in 2 Kings 2:23-24.]

The mauling of the forty-two youths is a mainstay of the atrocities lists. Once again, the context will show that this is not an unreasonable act at all. First of all, the word that is translated “youths” more accurately means teenagers or young adults. Second, the reference to “bald head” probably refers to Elisha’s shaved head in mourning that his mentor Elijah was taken from him (male pattern baldness was not common in ancient times, so this explanation is the most likely). So a group of at least 42 young men is jeering at Elisha’s bereavement, and “go on up” is probably a threatening wish that the same thing that happened to Elijah would happen to Elisha. Elisha is therefore protecting himself by cursing them (and God obviously agrees because he sends the bears). 42 of the young men are mauled (the word can refer to an injury as minor as a scratch). That two bears were able to injure so many indicates that the youths were fighting the bears, and didn’t scatter.

Furthermore, in the ancient world, what were 42 young men doing idle? They should have been helping their families. They were dangerous juvenile delinquents. A modern day equivalent would be finding one-self in a shady, abandoned part of town, and a gang of young thugs starts jeering.

Ralph Stair and Overcomer Ministry #fundie wistv.com

Former members of Colleton Co. church allege sexual abuse, say it's a cult
By Harve Jacobs, Reporter

COLLETON COUNTY, SC (WCSC) - Former members of a Colleton County church have come forward saying they were sexually assaulted by the church's leader.

The leader of Overcomer Ministry in the Canadys community in Colleton County is under investigation after Ralph Stair apparently was seen on video touching a 12 year old girl's breast.

Some say the 84-year-old so-called preacher actually is a predator who preys on young girls and women. A video recently surfaced that apparently shows Stair cupping the breast of a 12-year old girl during a church service.

"I'm gonna touch those things till nobody else can touch 'em," Stair is heard saying in the video.

The video brought back some bad memories for three former members of Stair's church. They all decided to speak out after seeing the (video).

Stacey who asked us not to show her face moved with her family to Stair's farm in 1999. At the time she was 17 years old.

"I think it's that he's really charismatic, he's powerful sounding, at least back then with his words," Stacey said.

Donna Jackson and her family moved to Stair's farm in 1995. At the time Jackson was married and in her 30s.

"It wasn't that difficult for me to do because I was under the impression that this was a man of God and that what we were doing was the right thing," Jackson said.

Lita, who also asked that we not show her face moved to the Overcomer farm with her family in 1997. At the time she was 17.

"We all assumed that ok, he hears from God and whatever he says, do this is what you do," Lita said.

The brochure for Overcomer Ministry portrays the farm as a place where people seek to live together for God and each other. The brochure states residents will "go nowhere, no shopping or trips. Your life will be here on the farm until Jesus comes." Families also were forced to give all their possessions to Stair and his ministry.

"Just everything, we went with nothing," Lita said.

The women say their families learned to be self-sufficient, growing their own food. Soon, they saw some red flags.

"Started giving me hugs and he had never paid me much attention at all except he asked me a couple of times how old I was," Stacey said.

"He made a beeline for me pretty quickly once we moved there," Jackson said.

Lita says she was forced to live apart from her parents.

"That's when I started encountering sexual advances from Stair," Lita said.

Stacey says one day the elderly preacher did the unthinkable to her inside a trailer on the compound.

"He just sexually assaulted me right there. I still couldn't talk. I couldn't say anything. I just basically let it happen. I covered my hands over my face and let it happen because I didn't know what else to do," Stacey said.

Lita says she also was sexually assaulted by Stair for more than a year.

"I was like I don't want to do this. Can you please leave me alone? He's like don't you want to please God?" Lita said.

Jackson says she was attacked but not sexually assaulted.

"He grabbed me and I could feel him if you understand what I mean because he had pressed himself against me that firmly," Jackson said.

Jackson told her her husband about the (assault). The two other women were afraid to speak up.

"Even if you thought in your mind against him you were in danger of going to hell or being judged by God," Stacey said.

"Nobody's gonna believe anything you say. If you say something against him, you are going to hell. You're just like outcasts," Lita said. "I was told to just be quiet and let God handle it which is why this time I feel like I have to say something."

In 2002, Stacey went to the Colleton County Sheriff's Office. Stair was charged with sexually assaulting her. Stacey says prosecutors told her because Stair was old and it was the holiday season, it would be hard to get a conviction.

Stair pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of assault and battery.

Lita did not ask for charges to be filed.

The former members now say what they initially thought was a church is something else.

"It's a cult, it's absolutely 100 percent cult," Stacey said.

"Today I call it a cult. Then I would have said it was a church community," Jackson said.

"It's brainwashing at its finest," Lita said.

Now years later, the women say the recently posted video looks all too familiar.

"Now he's abusing children in front of an entire congregation and not only in front of an entire congregation. He's actually bold enough to videotape it and put it on his website," Stacey said.

"I was disgusted but I wasn't surprised because this is something he was doing forever," Jackson said.

"I was tore up," Lita said. "It's like everything that I've kept hidden for all these years. All of those emotions and feelings just came rushing back up. I was messed up."

Reporter Harve Jacobs went to the Overcomer compound to try to get a response from Reverend Stair. There are no trespassing signs outside the gate, so he called for a comment. Harve was told Stair was not available. He left his number but never heard back. The former church members who came forward all eventually left the ministry.

All say they still bear scars from their time at the farm.

"All he does is destroy families in the name of Jesus, that's what he does," Lita said.

"I want people in Walterboro and in Colleton County to realize that is going on right there around you and people that can stop it are not stopping it," Stacey said.

"I would just really admonish everyone, anyone who's ever thought about going there, don't do it, you will regret it," Jackson said.

So far no new charges have been filed against Stair.

The Colleton County Sheriff's Office with the assistance of the State Law Enforcement Division is investigating Stair after the latest video that surfaced.

(Story contains video)

Tim Chaffey #fundie answersingenesis.org

The Heart of Unbelief

Some may wonder how a proof could be called infallible when so many people refuse to believe it. In the case of the risen Jesus, the problem was not with the evidence. After all, He was standing in front of them and could be touched and heard.8 Even today, the problem is not with the infallible proof of Scripture, nor is there a problem with the evidence from history or archaeology. The main problem is with humanity’s stubbornly rebellious heart. Jesus also spoke to this issue when talking about the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19–31). The rich man in Hades pleaded with Abraham in glory to send Lazarus back from the dead to warn the rich man’s brothers about the torments that awaited them if they didn’t repent. He claimed that “if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent” (v. 30). Abraham’s response alludes to Christ’s Resurrection and illustrates the stubbornness of the sinner’s heart: “If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead” (v. 31).

This willful rejection of the truth is well illustrated by a series of quotations from atheist philosopher Michael Martin concerning the evidence for Christ’s Resurrection.

“It is not inconceivable that on very rare occasions someone being restored to life has no natural or supernatural cause”; “I admit that some events could occur without any cause”; “[E]ven if the resurrection of Jesus was justified by the evidence, it would not support the belief that the Christian God exists and that Jesus is the Son of God.”9

In an effort to escape the implications of the Resurrection, Martin is willing to reject one of the fundamental principles of scientific methodology: cause and effect. Instead of bowing the knee to His Creator, Martin would rather believe in a causeless effect by which, out of all the people who have ever lived, the one who just happened to come back to life for no reason at all was Jesus, the Man who had fulfilled numerous Old Testament prophecies, lived a sinless life, performed countless miracles, and predicted His own Resurrection (Matthew 20:18–19). This is special pleading at its worst.

Martin’s statement provides a great example of how a person usually interprets the data according to his worldview. As an atheist, Martin is prepared to believe just about anything on this matter except that God raised Jesus from the dead. When a person desires to remain in his skepticism, he will develop excuses to disbelieve the obvious. Although the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was proven by “many infallible proofs” and has been recorded in God’s Word, atheists like Michael Martin will continue to reject the free gift of God’s grace and cling to their irrational humanistic worldview.

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie disqus.com

My utmost esteemed and illustrious fellow true Christians,

Relative to how a man is to treat his wife, we have a wonderful sermon by one of our utmostest brethren, Brother Pastor James the Preacher! To wit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4jYrvaKbKQ

Just because the man is to be the head of the sister of Eve, 1 Cor 11:3, does NOT mean we are not to love the second-class citizen that is the female! The notion may be foreign to the false Christian like the assorted Cathlic, Homolutheran, Episcopalian, false Prestyterian, or any other rejector of the Christian Bible, but not the real Christian. To wit:

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it". Eph 5:25.

As the glorious Pastor Reverend Dixon would say, "Bible says so, we believe so!" Praise and Glory!

Steve Wilson, YouTube #fundie youtube.com

Annihilation-ism Destruction of the Soul = Old Heresy

The origins of the doctrine known as "annihilationism" go all the way back to the 4th-century when a man named Arnobius first propagated a doctrine that unbelievers passed into "nonexistence" either at death or at the time of resurrection. "As to man, Arnobius . . . denies his immortality. The soul outlives the body but depends solely on God for the gift of eternal duration. The wicked go to the fire of Gehenna, and will ultimately be consumed or annihilated" (Schaff 859). It was condemned as heresy at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D. The doctrine did not reappear again in church history until at least the 12th century. Throughout church history, leading church fathers have taken a strong stand against annihilationism (or conditionalism) in favor of the traditional (orthodox) view of hell as eternal punishment (everlasting) for those who choose to reject Jesus Christ and His gracious offer of eternal life. A few of the more famous figures of Christ's church who have given whole-hearted support to the traditional doctrine include: Tertullian, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley, George Whitefield, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, and Dwight L. Moody. The Westminster Confession of Faith was very clear in its affirming of hell as eternal punishment: "but the wicked who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (Grudem 1196).

Jesus said Matt 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Both words, everlasting & eternal, have the same greek word αἰώνιος aiōnios G166 which is defined as "1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be, 2) without beginning, 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting". So Jesus disproves your point. Big diff from earthly end & eternal punishment.

Jesus said it, so your argument is with Him, not me. HE was the one who used a very specific word and definition. Lots of examples of earthly end of cities, people, etc vs the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels, which is without beginning or end.

Another problem w/ annihilation doctrine = you are now between a rock & a hard place. IF you believe Paul THEN you disregard the words of Jesus (saying Jesus error-ed) = HUGE problem. Now IF you believe Jesus THEN you disregard Paul & his writings are not inspired ure & is a different message = big problem.

he only way to explain w/out causing biblical contradictions is to see the difference between earthy destruction & eternal punishment.

Another problem w/ cherry picking ure is it contradicts others. For example Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." So an OT ure states the opposite of your claim. Does that mean Daniel is not an inspired book & Daniel is a false teacher? Hmmm...

The more scriptures you look at, the more contradictions u have when forcing the doctrine of annihilationism (which is an old heresy).

I hope this helps.

Steve

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Gregory Hood #racist amren.com

MLK Is Post-White America’s Founding Father

It’s a holiday tradition. Conservatives, including civic nationalists such Steve Bannon, praise Martin Luther King. Both leftists and white Identitarians say this is absurd. Both agree King was a dedicated socialist who worked with Communist Party members. King was also an adulterer, a plagiarist, and did nothing to stop a rape he witnessed. The rape incident was disclosed by a progressive reporter and biographer, who called the challenge to King’s stature “fundamental.”

This has had little effect on conservatives. Instead, they redouble their efforts to force Martin Luther King into the American and even the conservative pantheon. Heritage Foundation president Kay James tweeted: “Our founding principles would be the very tools we would eventually use to right our own wrongs. Dr. King helped us to prove we could do just that.”

The Heritage Foundation also published an article at its website, The Daily Signal, claiming that “our principles required that we solve our race problem.” King therefore becomes “our last Founding Father.”

Yet can the race problem be “solved?” Barring genocide (which at least some leftists intend for us), expulsion, or peaceful separation, the race problem can at best be managed. No society has ever “solved” the race problem. That’s why prophets like Enoch Powell warned against unnecessarily importing the problem to begin with.

Even the Daily Signal article implicitly admits this. “The Untied States at large had a race problem that traced back to when the first African slaves were first imported to Virginia in 1619,” wrote Dion Pierre. “It was not ameliorated when Abraham Lincoln’s Union Army dispossessed the Southern aristocracy of its slaves and remained acute in places like Birmingham, where King first established himself as the man that would lead the United States into the multiracial era.” It would have been better to avoid slavery and the “race problem” altogether, as well as the supposed necessity for a “multiracial era.”

Contrasting King with Malcolm X and other black nationalists, Mr. Pierre said that “King understood the temptation to fight identity politics with identity politics, but refused.” Mr. Pierre also claims King preached that “any form of race nationalism defied the ‘edicts of the Almighty God himself.’”

Of course, King explicitly defended racial preferences for blacks, which is the essence of identity politics. Considering his sexual behavior and his denial of Christ’s divinity, he didn’t take the “edicts of the Almighty God” too seriously either.

Mr. Pierre deals with this history by ignoring it. He simply asserts that King believed “character, not skin color, counted most.” Now, thanks to the last Founder, the descendants of slaves and former slave holders can all sing “My country, ‘tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.”

Maybe Mr. Pierre even believes this. Meanwhile, in the real world, most Americans think race relations are getting worse. A huge black majority says the country hasn’t gone far enough in granting “equal rights.” Fifty percent of blacks say America never will. Desegregation and affirmative action haven’t appeased blacks and leftists. They increasingly blame racism for racial inequality, no matter what programs are introduced, resources redistributed, or statues torn down. No other explanation for racial inequality is possible in a country that refuses to acknowledge racial differences.

Most non-whites think their race or ethnicity is “central” to their identity. Whites don’t, probably because “American” and “white” are still implicitly linked. Thus, polls show whites are more patriotic while non-whites lead protests against historic American symbols like the Betsy Ross flag.

White identity is catching up with “American” identity. In the “multiracial era,” your passport is less important than your race. European-Americans have more in common with our Continental cousins than “fellow citizens” who don’t speak our language, identify with our history, or honor our heroes.

Conservatives awkwardly trying to fit King into the Founders’ mold must ignore what Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton and others said about race. Instead, they reduce our “founding principles” to “all men are created equal.” This is as stupid as saying King opposed racial identity politics.

Conservatives need King. To admit there is a conflict between King and Washington is to admit the problem can’t be resolved. It denies “American exceptionalism,” which to many whites is akin to denying God. Most whites can’t stomach religious hypocrisy the same way Reverend King and his pastor friends could.

Mr. Pierre is right about King being a “Founder,” though not in the way he thinks. A fraud and hypocrite in almost every aspect of his life, King cloaked his agenda in traditional American rhetoric that appealed to well-meaning, naïve whites. Now, the mask is off. Thanks to demographic change, leftists and non-whites no longer need to pretend. They can admit America was created by whites, that Martin Luther King was “radical” (in Cornel West’s words), and that American institutions must be fundamentally changed to serve the new population. King isn’t the last Founding Father, but the first Founder of the new, post-white United States. If King truly was the “Founder” of a nation, that nation has nothing to do with us.

Whether such a dystopian, dysfunctional polity can long endure is impossible to say. What is certain is that Sam Francis was right: “The logical meaning of the holiday is the ultimate destruction of the American Republic as it has been conceived and defined throughout our history, and until the charter for revolution that it represents is repealed, we can expect only further installations of the destruction and dispossession it promises.” Deliberate refusal to understand is moral failure. Conservatives can no longer plead ignorance.

Matt Forney #fundie returnofkings.com

In the days after Wikileaks released the emails, leftists went berserk, claiming that the Russians were behind the hack (with no proof whatsoever), accusing Vladimir Putin of trying to influence the presidential election, and even accusing Donald Trump of being a Manchurian candidate for Moscow. Curiously, none of them have taken note of the multitude of other countries who are also sticking their hands into the American cookie jar, most notably Mexico, whose government has been funding riots at Trump’s rallies.

It’s quite telling that the only country that leftists don’t want influencing the government is a white, traditionalist, Christian one. The left’s anti-Russian hysteria isn’t simply repugnant: it’s a throwback to the anti-communist fervor of the early 1950’s. The difference is that while Joseph McCarthy’s claims that communists had infiltrated the government had validity, the left’s hatred of Russia is rooted entirely in their paranoia and hatred of healthy, prosperous societies.

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Before and during the Cold War, leftists were in love with Russia. The Soviet Union represented the end goal of leftism: total state control over every aspect life. Because of this—and also because the Soviets extensively funded efforts to infiltrate Western institutions—the American and European left sided with Russia at every opportunity. For example, during World War II, leftists promoted the idea of opening a second front in Europe with the goal of taking pressure off of the Soviet Union, when the militarily smart move would have been to let the Nazis and Soviets destroy each other. The Normandy invasion was completely unnecessary; all it did was enable the U.S.S.R. to colonize much of eastern Europe.

Similarly, in the 1950’s, leftists in the media and government smeared Senator Joseph McCarthy when he courageously pointed out that Soviet agents were deeply embedded in the State Department and other prominent federal agencies. The Venona Papers—a collection of decrypted messages from the Soviet Union’s intelligence agencies released in 1995—later vindicated many of McCarthy’s claims. Later, in the 1980’s, leftists vociferously opposed Ronald Reagan’s aggressive stance towards the U.S.S.R., claiming it would lead to war; Ted Kennedy even begged the Russians to intervene in the 1984 presidential election and help defeat Reagan (irony).

The love between the Western left and Russia died when the Soviet Union collapsed. Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has transformed itself from a failed socialist state into a patriarchal, traditionalist one, reasserting its place as a world power. Christianity has been revived and takes a central role in Russian life, open homosexuality is frowned upon, and George Soros-funded front groups have been banned from the country. The reason why Russian (and other eastern European) women are known for their femininity and beauty is because these nations resist the moral turpitude of the West.

All this naturally makes Russia an enemy of the degenerate left. Anti-Russian feelings among leftists exploded in 2012, when members of Pussy Riot, a Western-funded leftist agitator group, were arrested after they broke into an Orthodox church and disrupted a mass in process. Leftists began foaming at the mouth a year later when the Russian government formally banned homosexuals from distributing propaganda to minors. When Russia began attacking ISIS last year—and actually made progress towards dismantling the Islamic State—Barack Obama shit a brick and “moderate” Republicans such as John Kasich and Lindsey Graham began speaking of war with Russia.

The left’s fear of Russia is simply their fear of normality, of white heterosexual men taking back what’s theirs. They’re aided by clueless cuckservatives who still think the Cold War is on and Russia is the Red Menace. Additionally, a large number of Russian Jews in the American political establishment, such as neocon Max Boot (a prominent #NeverTrump Republican) and radical lesbian activist Masha Gessen, have spent their careers agitating for more conflict with Russia. (Ilya Sheyman, another Russian Jew, is the head of MoveOn.org, which was behind the riot that shut down Donald Trump’s rally in Chicago last March.)

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Common Filth and other commentators have quipped in the past that the U.S. will start World War III with Russia over the issue of gay rights, and those predictions are disturbingly close to coming true. The left’s irrational hatred of Russia combined with our constant meddling in their internal affairs (for example, see Ukraine, where we helped instigate an anti-Russian coup right in their backyard) ensure that tensions with Putin will continue to escalate.

This is lunacy. Beyond the fact that Russian society is one that we should aspire to emulate, Russia is a superpower with a nuclear arsenal. Vladimir Putin is not some tinpot potentate of a third-world hellhole; he’s a crafty leader with a strong military and a nation of hundreds of millions behind him. Hillary Clinton will almost assuredly escalate tensions with Russia, possibly bringing us to war, destroying what is left of America with it.

The left hopes to distract Americans’ from the Democrats’ corruption and malfeasance by ginning up a Red Scare 2.0, and we can’t let them get away from it. Leftists’ hatred of Russia, combined with the apocalyptic ramifications of war with Putin, are too significant to ignore.

Not Perfect, But Forgiven (King and Priest Unto God) #fundie rr-bb.com

IMHO, I think the trumpet used to glorify and call up the saints will be unlike any other trumpet. It is a heavenly trumpet, meaning it will have no imperfections and will be tuned to a degree we are probably unaware exists. Also, I believe it's going to be supernaturally LOUD and come from high above! All believers anywhere on the planet will have no illusions about what it is.

The first time we hear the Lord's voice will be stunning. Immediately following the trumpet blast we will hear His voice hit our ears: "COME UP HERE!!!" This command i believe will be very similar to the one used to summon Lazarus from the dead in it's tone and authority. All the dead in Christ will streak skyward to our visible eyes perhaps if we are outside at the time. not even a millisecond later, we will follow them up as cloud and blue streak past us in blinding ferocity. We will be changed on the way up: from weak, frail, sin capable, but forgiven, mortals to: sinless, strong, refined, immortals. We probably won't feel immortal, but we will simply know that it is impossible for us to die. IMHO we will hear our names called and that trumpet blast will be very loud, and sound unlike any earthly trumpet in tune and pitch.

Rev. Darwin Fish #fundie atruechurch.info

In America, slavery is illegal (13th Amendment). So, for anyone in America to practice slavery, it would be wrong. It would be a violation of Romans 13:1-5 and 1 Peter 2:13-14. But, is slavery evil in and of itself? Some think so.

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"Christians" of the past have argued both for and against slavery.1 Yet, Scripture is not unclear on this issue. Even atheists have caught the drift, and have therefore reviled the Word of God on this issue alone.

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So speaks the fool (Psalm 14:1). Yet, this fool knows what some "Christians" have not recognized, that is, that Scripture indeed accepts the practice of slavery.

For example, Alexander McLeod (1774-1833), pastor of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of New York.

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This pastor was way off!

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Believers in the first century owned slaves (Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1; 1 Timothy 6:2), and they were not instructed to let them go; but rather, to treat them with justice, as Colossians 4:1 says.

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In the past, some have bristled at the fact that slavery reduces a human being to "an article of property, a chattel personal" (Theodore Dwight, 1803-1895, The Bible Against Slavery). John Wesley wrote,

It cannot be, even setting Revelation aside. It cannot be, that either war, or contract, can give any man such a property in another as he has in his sheep and oxen. Much less is it possible, that any child of man should ever be born a slave. Liberty is the right of every human creature, as soon as he breathes the vital air; and no human law can deprive him of that right which he derives from the law of nature. (http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/wesley/thoughtsuponslavery.stm)

Wesley did indeed set revelation aside. Because, the revelation of God reveals no such "law of nature," but rather the law of God

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In Exodus 21, the Lord reveals that a slave, as the property of the slave owner, does not have the same status a free man has, even when it came to killing a man. Exodus 21:12 says,

He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death.

Yet, later in the chapter, the Lord gives this instruction regarding slaves.

And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

Note, if the slave lived a day or two, and then died, there would be no punishment at all, and the reason given is because "he is his property."

The slave owner had the right to correct his slaves, as Proverbs 26:3 states,

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the fool's back. (see also Proverbs 10:13; 29:19)

This does not mean it was right to inflict undue harm upon a slave (Micah 6:8; Colossians 4:1). But it does mean that a slave owner could render correction when needed.

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An evil man may very well encourage slaves to rebel against their masters (Proverbs 17:11), but Scripture teaches just the opposite.

The Lord does not instruct slaves to run away and claim their freedom. Instead, the Lord instructs them to stay where they are and be good slaves, as the Lord instructed Abraham's slave, Hagar.

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Here Hagar was free. She had run away from her mistress (Genesis 16:4-6) and had freed herself from harsh treatment. Yet, even in the context of being treated harshly, the Lord told her to go back and submit herself to Sarai.

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Although slavery at times can be a curse (Deuteronomy 28:68; Joshua 9:23; Proverbs 12:24; Lamentations 1:1; Joel 3:8), it can also be good (e.g. Deuteronomy 15:12-17; Joshua 9:24).

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Anddra #fundie rr-bb.com

1. There is a preacher and wife who are very, very poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she is pregnant with her 15th. They are living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending abortion?

2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead. The third is deaf and the fourth has TB. The mother finds she is pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you recommend abortion?

3. A man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She is not married. Her fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he is very upset. Would you recommend an abortion?

If you have answered “yes” to any of these situations:

In the first case you would have killed John Wesley, one of the great evangelists of the 19th century.

In the second case, you would have killed Beethoven.

In the third case you would have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.

In the fourth case you would have recommended the murder of Jesus Christ.

With U. S. abortion deaths topping 30 million, only God knows what we have sacrificed in lost human talent and creativity.

Lazarus #conspiracy libertydwells.com

["Bin Laden not buried at sea, body moved on CIA plane to US"]

If this is true, it revives my concern that those same Seals who were on that mission were "unfortunately" killed in Afghanistan only weeks after the "supposed" Bin Laden hit... If someone in Washington arranged for those men to be silenced to keep the truth from the public, someone is going to pay dearly for that political murder...image

If this has happened, they no doubt believe they are untouchable... But they cannot hide from my God, and I have a direct line to his office...imageimageimage

Vincent Cheung #fundie vincentcheung.com

As evident in Acts 17, there are often constraints imposed upon us by time and other factors. But as circumstances allow, we must offer a systematic and comprehensive presentation of the biblical worldview, and a systematic and comprehensive refutation of the non-biblical worldviews represented by the hearers. Our aim must be nothing short of a complete vindication of Christian claims, and a thorough annihilation of non-Christian beliefs. This may be done over the course of days or even months. And in some situations, it is done over the course of many years, as should be the case in parenting our children. Sometimes we may have only half an hour, but whatever the case may be, we should seek to cover the major points, or to preach "the whole counsel of God" (Acts 20:27, NKJ). As we do this, we must make clear that we are loyal only to the biblical foundation and heritage, and not a pagan foundation or heritage.

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Most Christians are not aggressive enough, even if they know something about biblical apologetics and evangelism. We can all take a lesson from the exchange between Elisha and Jehoash: (quotes 2 Kings 13:14-19)

God has given us divine weapons with which to destroy all non-Christian religions and philosophies (2 Corinthians 10:3-5). These are spiritual or intellectual weapons, expressed in our preaching and arguments. But what are we doing with them? As Elisha was angry with Jehoash for not being aggressive and thorough enough, so this man of God would be very angry with most of us today. He would have no patience for our tolerance and propriety.

Nevertheless, God is faithful to himself and to his people, and he has preserved some of us who have not bowed the knee to relativism, pluralism, and other non-biblical perspectives. We who know our God will do great things in his name. We will ceaselessly attack non-Christian religions and philosophies with biblical argumentation and persistent prayer. We will strike them again and again. When they run, we will pursue them; when they hide, we will expose them; and when they fall, we will trample them. We will not make Jehoash's mistake, who struck three times and stopped – we will never stop. When we finally learn to fight by the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, we will find that non-Christian thought has no defense against our assaults. We will be an invincible army, and the very gates of hell will not stand against us.

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

When we look back over history, we see that God has done some pretty impressive miracles through guys like Moses, Elijah, and Elisha. So theologically, it’s a cinch to adjust to the idea that God will raise up another prophet during the end times—even one that He performs miracles through. And if we’re going to have someone take on such a role, we’d like that person to be a sold-out Christian, right? No one is going to be more dedicated to God than this prophet. This individual will have been trained by the Holy Spirit to serve Him with total devotion, and to operate with only His priorities in mind. But here’s the thing about a prophet who is obsessed with pleasing God: God is going to be the only One this person cares about. This means that when God decides to split open the ground and knock a bunch of people into it Korah-style, this prophet is not going to be the least bit upset over the loss of human life. Instead, news cameras will catch a satisfied smile on this person’s face. And when God collapses some skyscraper down onto the heads of a bunch of random citizens, or destroys a hospital, or slaughters a bunch of children at a school, His representative is not going to be sharing in the pain that everyone else is feeling. This prophet will have been trained by God to be 100% for whatever God wants to do. But when you see footage of this person smiling or laughing at the scene of major carnage, are you going to think, “What a Christlike attitude”? No, your gut response is going to be, “What a creep!” If you run with this response like the Christians around you will, you are going to end up deciding this person must be possessed after all.  The next thing you know, you’ll be down at the church house praying for God to take this person down. How is the Holy Spirit going to react to you calling His work the work of demons? Not very well.

B®ent #fundie

Hell and Paradise are LITERAL Places...

[Matthew 12:40, Luke 23:43]

By this we may conclude that Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) is located within the Earth. It is where Abraham, Moses, and other fathers rested, prior to their assumption into Heaven through the resurrection of Christ.

Moreover, judging by the parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), I would have to conclude that Hell is also within the Earth. It is for this reason (amongst others) that I believe the Earth is a hollow planet. The crust is approximately 800 miles in thickness, with Hell located 400 miles beneath our feet. The souls of the unbelieving are tormented in this terrible place.

On the inner-surface of the Earth is a paradise beyond our comprehension. I do not know what/who lives in this place, but I do believe it is the former location of Abraham's Bosom (Paradise), and possibly the location of the Garden of Eden.

Annie #fundie pooflingers.blogspot.com

maybe you think i leave because you insult me,but that only give me more faith and trust in GOD!

i will stay here until i made you all accept JESUS CHRIST the man who DIED for our SINS. each time he write a new blog saying something bad about GOD or his servants,i will DEFEND them.

and it really makes me saw how you attack reverend hovind who has helped so many people to come to CHRIST.i just see jealousy from u side.he is a GOOD and LOVING man of GOD and I pray that he and his wife will come out of this without any problems to show the atheist that GOD is on OUR side.

but maybe u are afraid of facing REAL challenges!!! u think your evolutionary religion is the right one, ok SHOW IT THEN,i never seen an atheist prove his religion EVER.they sit and say we come from APES,ok MAYBE U GUYS, but GOD MADE ME IN HIS IMAGE.

ramblindon #fundie wnd.com

[Episcopalian minister Sarah Kinney Gaventa preaches sermon comparing suffering of Michael Brown in his last moments to that of Jesus]

Thoughts while shaving: Rev. Sarah Kinney Gaventa? 1 Corinthians 14:28 "let your woman keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak".

Controversial only to the extent most are ignorant of the Word of God in an apostate, post-Christian, post-Constitutional America (Amerika). "Reverend" has lost all meaning, i.e., "Al Sharpton", "Jesse Jackson" et. al. The pulpits are filled with women, contrary to the Word of God! Even so! Come Lord Jesus! Period! End Report!

Brian Tamaki #fundie m.nzherald.co.nz

Destiny Church's Bishop Brian Tamaki has blamed earthquakes on gays, sinners, and murderers.

But an Auckland vicar says Tamaki's sermon is "completely illogical," and compared it to blaming sin for child cancer.

Quoting the Old Testament on Sunday, the day before a massive 7.5 earthquake struck the country killing two and leaving thousands stranded, with limited food, water, shelter and communication, Tamaki told churchgoers the earth "convulses under the weight of certain human sin."

A video of the sermon is pinned to the top of the Destiny Church Facebook page.

He also blamed a gay priest and the people of Christchurch for the devastating earthquakes that hit Canterbury in 2010 and 2011 which killed 185 people.

"The land actually speaks to God. Out of the soil ... Abel's blood spoke to God from a murder. The earth can speak. Leviticus says that the earth convulses under the weight of certain human sin.

"It spews itself up after a while - that's natural disasters. Because nature was never created to carry the bondage of our iniquity," Tamaki said.

"God does not send punishment on people in that kind of a way," reverend Helen Jacobi of Auckland church St Matthew-in-the-City said.

"If that was the case, if you followed that to its logical conclusion, a baby dying of cancer would be somehow sinful, and that's ridiculous. It's just completely illogical."

Comments by Brian Tamaki blaming gays, murderers and sinners for earthquakes called 'ridiculous'

She said the things people and churches should be, and were focusing on in Kaikoura and other places, was gathering and supporting rather than blaming others for the earthquake.

"They should be helping people get through this terrible time and that's where God is seen in our community - by the way people respond," Jacobi said.

She said evidence of God's presence was not in punishment, but in people doing good to help those in need after Monday's disastrous earthquake.

A Destiny Church spokeswoman said "In view of the terrifying events that have impacted the cities and families of New Zealand over the last few days, our heartfelt condolences go out to the victims affected by the earthquakes and floods over this last week."

She referred the Herald to a blog post by Tamaki, which elaborates further on his Sunday sermon.

In the post, he claims to have warned people of the quake in an "inspired moment" before his sermon began.

Tamaki says that natural disasters are side-effects of environmental pollution, abuse and sexual sins.

Referencing Leviticus, from the Old Testament, he writes: "No other sin in the whole of the bible has any connection to earthquakes, floods and volcanic eruptions, but sexual perversions alone."

In Leviticus, God also warns men not to have sex with varying people including, but not limited to, women with their period, animals, or their sister.

Bryan Fischer #fundie rightwingwatch.org

When we look at these books of history of the Old Testament, one of the things we need to recognize is God has preserved these for us because he wants us to understand how God deals with nations, nations that have entered into some kind of a covenantal relationship with Him and we have done that. We have done that in the United States of America. Our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution represents a covenantal relationship with God.

In the Declaration of Independence we told God, look we are building the entire foundation of this political experiment on you ... So our whole approach to government, our whole approach to our political life, our shared common life is rooted and grounded in the Bible. We have made a covenant relationship with God.

We even dated both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, we dated them to the year of the birth of Jesus Christ. In fact, when the Founders, when they dated the Constitution 'the year of our Lord, 1787,' they referred to Jesus as 'our Lord." Don't let people tell you that Christ is not in the Constitution; He's in there.

CH #fundie heartiste.wordpress.com

It’s hardly a secret, even among the SWPL hypocrati, that IQ is important to individual life outcomes, (and, on a grander scale, to a nation’s civilizational supremacy), that it correlates to a host of happy behavioral traits, and that dysgenic mating trends threaten to “decivilize” the West if nothing is done to reverse them. Given these accepted premises, many well-meaning but marginally spergalicious bloggers argue for the glories of assortative mating, (though in point of fact many assortatively sorted couples are meeting based less on shared IQ or unspoken eugenic hopes than on simple segregated convenience). This post may then come as a surprise, advocating as it does for a marital boycott of overeducated women.

IQ (and a woman’s educational level, insofar as the latter is an IQ proxy) is undoubtedly relevant if you’re interested in improving your future kids’ economic prospects, and likely getting more so thanks to increasing occupational cognitive demands, but it isn’t the alpha and omega of the good life. Myopic IQ fetishism notwithstanding, CH has spilled a fair amount of ASCII ink ridiculing equalists who despise the idea of an immutable general factor of intelligence and the consequent futility of public policy that fails to account for its reality. This is because the equalists are today those in power, and thus the most scrumptious targets for the Shiv Wielders.

Implicit or explicit support for assortative mating to boost a country’s “smart fraction” is arid frank & beans counting. Breeding Sorters say we are doomed if we don’t pair off high IQ partners in marriage to make high IQ babies. But there are more things in love and marriage, than are dreamt of in their social science laboratories. And there are more negatives to assortative mating than eugenicist whisperers are willing to admit.

There really is no point to marriage unless one wants children. Absent children, all the good things about marriage can be had in cohabiting relationships. This is even true of raising children if your blood is of Northern European stock, for whom the people of your motherlands demonstrate a facility at successful childrearing in non-marital cohabiting households. (Not to be confused with craptastic American-style single mom households, of which there are blessedly few in Scandinavian countries.)

So a major justification for marriage (and a reminder of the silliness of gay marriage) is that having children within a healthy functioning nuclear family environment benefits their development.

Right there is Problem Number One you’ll encounter if you marry an overeducated woman: She is likely to be far less fecund than less credentialed women. If you want at least the 2.1 kids necessary to replace you and your wife in the next generation, don’t marry a woman with a 4-year college degree and especially not a woman with a doctoral degree. You may as well line the spare bedroom with kitty litter.

Problem Number Two with overeducated women: Over the last 30 years, the happiness of women with graduate degrees has dropped faster than that of women with less than a high school education. (See Table 3, Panel E) The secular trend in happiness is down for women across all educational levels (which is not the case for men), but having more than a four year college degree accelerates the female unhappiness trends to rates above that for high school dropouts. Men are happier when their wives are happier, which means you should avoid marrying a credentialist status whore. And since there is scant evidence that children make you happier, it pays to find a woman who won’t exacerbate an already unhappy prognostication.

Keep in mind, too, that women get a lot unhappier with age than do men. So if you marry a spry 35-year-old post-doc she’s gonna be a real barrel of fun when she’s pushing 50.

Problem Number Three with overeducated women: Pairing them off with smart, accomplished men exacerbates social inequality. And not just because it amplifies white stratification by zip code; it also increases white stratification by IQ (and its attendant cultural fracturing). Society is best served when men with high IQs are free to inject their gifts into the wider world of women, instead of having all that gold-plated DNA locked up in the semi-barren wombs of Ivy Leaguers pushing social constructivism and infinity-wave feminist theory as a day job.

Problem Number Four with overeducated women: They’re sexually frigid. While sex surveys are more prone than any other type of survey to tempt respondents to lie, the results do offer a clue as to which way the tingles vibrate, and according to the data the tingles are practically buried dead underneath a mound of post-grad student loan debt.

For further confirmation of this nonsexular trend among superfluously credentialed women, see this screen capture of poll results on a message board for upper middle class married white women, most of whom probably have college degrees or better. The question asked is how many blowjobs do they give per month (presumably to their husbands). Since it is a private message board among women and not a publicly announced survey with social expectation bias built in, you can expect these responses to better reflect the reality of their marriages.

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If you’re a man with a set of functioning gonads and not a sufferer of cerebral scalzi, you will want to avoid hitching yourself to an overeducated woman whose dusty muff and schoolmarmish mouth will open for business once every lunar cycle.

As CH is a cuntoisseur of the overeducated SWPL chick, some may wonder why the Lord of Lasciviousness would deign to game sexually frozen prey? Easily explained. First, a gentlemanly selectiveness honed by years of experience and psychological nimbleness has proved adequate at filtering out women likely to lay like dead fish in my roiling sea of sperm. Second, pre-marriage, pre-kids SWPL chicks are ravenous in a way they never will be within the confines of the marital home, copulating with an alacrity that belies their furtive fear that their future husbands will be unable to arouse in them the same fervor. Third, one must accept that many overeducated women are sexless termagants because they are married to beta males; they’ve lost that lovin’ feeling, and only a suave rico will summon it back.

But, if you don’t have the skill to reintroduce overeducated women to their bygone libidos, it makes sense to find yourself a less educated woman with a naturally higher sex drive and/or less benumbing experience in the desiccating company of anhedonic beta males.

Problem Number Five with overeducated women: They’re uglier. Now I know what you’re thinking. IQ and beauty, according to the evidence compiled, correlate to a nontrivial degree. All else equal, if you date only women with above-average IQs, you are probably dating women with above-average looks as well. But the formula, at least anecdotally, appears to break down once you move into the ranks of women with much higher than average IQs or years of accumulated education. Trawl any lofty Ivy campus and you can’t help but notice how poorly the super smart women compare aesthetically to their earthier competition. State U girls have it in spades over H Bomb girls. If you are a man, this matters for your marital happiness and stability.

MessianicServant #fundie fstdt.com

Athar, I think you are misunderstanding my remarks. It is not the fate of the unsaved that brings us joy; it's the fact that God, in His grace, has spared us from a similar fate that we fully and richly deserved. If you were trapped in a burning building, and Jesus came with a ladder and offered you a way to escape, wouldn't you be excited? Wouldn't you praise Him and thank Him for saving you? The ladder that Jesus brought in order to give us an opportunity to escape God's judgment was His cross, which reconciled man to God and took away the punishment that we so richly deserved.

There will be no 'joy' over the fate of the wicked in and of itself. No one wants you to go to hell, least of all those who have died without knowing the Lord. If you read the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus in the gospel of Luke, you will see that the unsaved rich man begged God to send someone on his behalf to warn his family to repent so that they could avoid his fate. Those who die without the Lord know the seriousness of an eternity without Christ better than we do.

That's why I try to warn people about hell and hold out the promise of the gospel to them. As I mentioned in another post, I had a 15 year old niece who died without knowing the Lord. I know that she wouldn't want to see others die without Jesus, and that's why I do my best to witness the gospel to others. It's my way of honoring her memory

travelingwithwife #fundie answers.yahoo.com

[In response to: "Christians, my unsaved grandmother passed away. I'm scared she is burning alive in hell. What can I do to help her? I'm 14."]

You can do nothing for her. What you can do is always seek God the Father through His Son, Jesus, to be your Lord and Savior.

Read about Lazarus and the rich man in Luke.
Luke 16:20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
Luke 16:21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke 16:22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Luke 16:24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
Luke 16:25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luke 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
Luke 16:27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house,
Luke 16:28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
Luke 16:29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
Luke 16:30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
Luke 16:31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ” NIV

I am sorry your grandmother was unsaved. I know many that passed away that I am afraid are in the same situation.

May God Guide You and Comfort You and Strengthen You Always

God Bless

David J. Stewart #conspiracy jesus-is-savior.com

Why is it the controlled mass media never tells America these savage serial murderers are always homosexuals? Why do CBS, ABC, NBC, and all the others cover-up and consistently paint gays as gentle, loving, caring, and compassionate humanitarians? Is it not because most of the TV and news executives and broadcasters are themselves homosexual, bisexual perverts and weirdoes?

The case of homo serial killer Andrew Cunanan is interesting in that most of Cunanan's victims were themselves gay men. Among the five men he killed in a cross-country spree was wealthy fashion designer Gianni Versace. Time magazine (April 5, 1999) commented that Cunanan was "a gregarious, wildly clever mythomaniac and petty thief in the kinky gay netherworld of alcohol, drugs, prostitution, and sadomasochism." Andrew Cunanan's torrent of death ended in 1997 in Miami Beach with the demon-possessed homosexual taking his own life.

Reliable sources tell us that Andrew Cunanan's rage was triggered when he was horribly abused at a Chicago mansion during a homo-satanic ritual at a gay "masquerade ball." Cunanan, a handsome but confused young man in his 20s, had been used as a sexual gigolo by an inner circle of rich, gay Illuminati adepts—he was passed around and used up like a mildewed sack of potatoes. Gianni Versace, a billionaire who had singer Elton John as one of the frequent live-ins at his luxurious residence, was reputed to be a figure in this inner circle of kinky Illuminist homosexuals.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

The message from Jesus in Luke 16:19-31 is abundantly clear, “...If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.” The rich man is suffering horribly, and unbearably, in the flames of Hell. He now realizes his foolish sin of rejecting the Savior when he had the chance, but was too stubborn and sinfully proud to humble himself before God. This is true of MOST people today! The rich man now BEGS Abraham to send Lazarus from the dead to WARN his 5 brothers lest they also come into this place of torment (Luke 16:28).

The Word of God makes a shocking statement in Luke 16:31, by informing us that even if the dead were to return to warn the lost, they would STILL reject Jesus Christ. We read in Revelation 6:16 and 16:9-11 that men will endure horrible suffering, plagues, painful sores, and scorching heat during the Tribulation Period; YET, they will blaspheme God Almighty, hide in the mountains, and refuse to repent.

We read in Romans 1:18 that wicked men hold the truth in unrighteousness. In other words, people willingly reject Jesus Christ, and they will have no one to blame except themselves when they split Hell wide open one day... “so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

People choose to go to Hell in their sinful arrogance, wickedness, stiffnecked pride, and unwillingness to repent. Americans have even named one of their biggest cities—SIN CITY! You see, people KNOW that they are sinning against God; YET, they do it anyway in defiance! “Sin” is solely a Biblical term! Since they reject the Word of God, Wiccan witches, secular psychologists, and other pagan groups replace the concept of sin with “karma,” reciprocating evil for evil and good for good. You'll never find the term “sin” in a psychiatrists or psychologists manual. Since they refuse to acknowledge the root causes of man's problems, they cannot truly help anyone.

Reverend Matthew #fundie p203.ezboard.com

The English are notoriously homosexualist.

With the exception of our esteemed colleagues in Christ, the English as a whole are infamous for their tolerance, if not outright preference, for homosexualism, particularly amongst the so-called governing class. That the nefarious agenda of these disgusting reprobates has now stretching its dripping tentacles into the schoolroom comes as no surprize to me. After all, the homosexualist, in his perversion, is only one short step away from paedophiliaism, and the powers that be on that stunted island are clearly seeking to turn English young from a healthy lifestyle for their own depraved interests. Even the French, renowned for their perversion, consider the English moral retards in the eyes of the Lord, and for once the surrender monkeys are correct. I foresee the day when the inhabitants of that previously stalwart nation are mocked throughout the Christian world for their effeminacy. Frankly, given the increasing trend toward this type of unGodliness, I fully expect the English to become full allies with the Arabs within fifty years.

Reverend Matthew
Sowing His seed in the field of Sinners

bransrath #fundie bransrath.tumblr.com

[ Soapbox time: It’s funny how the same people who see the LGBT community as sick and perverted, the same people who vote to deny us civil rights…..are now suddenly concerned for our safety because it’s a chance to bash all Muslims. ???? Spoiler: Christianity has some pretty bloodthirsty tendencies, too, and nearly all domestic terrorists in the United States have been “radical/extremist” Christians. Can you imagine the carnage of the Crusades or the Inquisition in the 21st century? Can you imagine a government based on Old (or even New) Testament law? Religious fervor is one of the most terrifying conditions known to humanity. No pun intended, but thank god for the Enlightenment and revolutions in science. Religions evolve. Times change. It’d be great if people’s minds followed accordingly. Don’t use an attack on the LGBT community to broadcast your own prejudice and ignorance. *steps off soapbox* ]

Listen genius. I can not want the government to FORCE me to bake you a fucking cake AND be concerned for your safety at the same time.

The crusades were in response to 400 years of islamic attacks on Christians. Learn history before posting.

Lastly, you are right about one thing, religious fervor can be bad, just look at the religious fervor of the disciples of Karl marx, like Stalin.

Fuckin scary

David J. Stewart #conspiracy jesusisprecious.org

Freemasonry is a Luciferian cult which is rooted in Jewish Kaballah! The average Jewish person is not a member of a Luciferian group, but many elite Zionist Jews are. Zionist Jews control amoral Hollywood. Zionist Jews control the lying mainstream newsmedia. Zionist Jews control the fraudulent Federal Reserve Banking System. Zionist Jews control the occult music industry. Zionist Jews control the White House and federal government. It is important to understand that LUCIFERIANS and not Jews, are behind the New World Order. But the world's elite Jews have the money, and the Illuminati cater to them, exploiting the counterfeit state of modern Israel to destabilize the Middle East, which will eventually lead into World War III. World War III was already planned in vivid detail prior to the 20th century, as evidenced by the writings of Masonic leader Albert Pike (1809-1891). We read in Revelation 17:16-18 that the Luciferian worshipping “ten horns” (nations controlled by the Beast) will burn the woman (the city of Jerusalem - Revelation 11:8) with fire. The Bible tells us that Satan is deceiving the whole world (Revelation 12:9). The Bible tells us that evil men and seducers will deceive and be deceived in the End Times. 2nd Timothy 3:13, “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”

In 1775, the Year before the United States was birthed in 1776, Luciferian Adam Weishaupt shared his blueprint for World Government (which was basically the contents of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto in 1848). The occult symbols placed on our U.S. one-dollar bill in the 1930's is from the U.S. Great Seal made in 1787. The New World Order has been in the works since the tower and city of Babel (Genesis 11:7-9). I don't claim to understand it all. The average person wasn't meant to understand the workings behind the New World Order, lest they be fully exposed.

Mack Major #fundie facebook.com

I need to get this off my chest: Christians need to learn how to grow a backbone!

We've been taught - or should I say mis-taught - that to be a Christian is to be some type of pacifist, flower toting weakling who is not allowed to defend his or herself whenever someone ignorantly attacks them or their faith.

When someone shows up insulting you to your face, you're supposed to just take it, shut up and not say a mumbling word.

Those who teach this form of sissified Christianity justify it by referring back to Jesus who did not answer His accusers as He was going to the cross. But they ignore all those times when Jesus DID respond to His accusers, calling them snakes, cowards, devils and other choice words our Lord was fond of using for certain types of hypocritical folk.

And when you look at other examples in the Bible we see where the apostle Peter once cursed a sorcerer to damnation [Acts 8:9-24].

Paul commanded blindness on a magician who kept interrupting his presentation of the gospel with lies [Acts 13:6-12].

And on other occasions Paul also prayed to God to let Satan destroy someone's body who had crossed him the wrong way while in ministry. [1 Corinthians 5:5 | 1 Timothy 1:20]

And don't dare get into the Psalms of David - where David frequently prayed to God to break the teeth of his enemies, to kill them, to bring them to utter shame and ruin. [Psalm 3:7 | Psalm 58:6 | Psalm 143:12 | Psalm 35:4 | Psalm 70:2]

Or the stories of the prophets, like the time a group of youth made fun of Elisha by mocking him, and Elisha placed a curse on them that was carried out by a pair of she-bears that mauled those youth to pieces! [2 Kings 2:23-25]

The Lord our God is far from a pacifist! And you're better off leaving His servants alone rather than picking a fight with one.

Even practically speaking: if someone tried to break into your home to possibly harm you and your family, you wouldn't offer them coffee and cookies as you opened the front door for them!

So why do people expect me or others to just open up our social media pages to the disrespect of mockers, trolls, bots, demonic folk and cowards who hide behind fake pages?

What we have operating in our midst today are two types of Christians. One is all about lovey-dovey, feel good, hurt no one's feelings with the truth because they might get offended.

The other type is loving yet forceful, direct, quick to use the truth to slap you back into reality and away from the edge of hell. The more forceful type of Christian casts out demons by doing just that: CASTING them out - which involves forceful action, not soft, gentle or kind words.

The lovey-dovey Christianity isn't real. It's fake. And it's usually touted by those who aren't really saved. They're typically still sinners pretending to be holier than thou with a fake form of piety, when really they're heavily laden with sin using the fake Christians to hide behind so they don't have to deal with the reality of their own sinful condition.

They pretend to be offended whenever you answer a rude person sharply, accusing you of not being Christ-like: yet totally ignoring the fact that when Jesus comes back He's coming back to kill folks! Just read Revelation chapter 19. It gets messy when Christ returns!

So if you go by their logic, not even Jesus Himself will be acting Christ-like when He comes back! See the stupidity in this way of thinking?

These weakling wannabe believers will ignore the problems all around them being caused by the devil and his crowd - but attack the true Christians who are actively solving the problems.

They do this because secretly THEY themselves are part of the problem too. And they're on satanic assignment to mix in with the true people of God and pervert that truth with lies and a false sense of salvation built strictly on feel-good bless-me scriptures while ignoring Christ's direct command to repent.

I could go on. But I've said enough. And know this: on THIS page your disrespect, willful ignorance or rudeness WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

I'm not one of those punked-out pacifist believers spewing that Rodney King line: can't we all just get along. I already know the answer to that is an unequivocal NO.

This ain't heaven: this is earth! Which means we as believers will constantly find ourselves in a constant state of warfare. We cannot and will not get along with everybody else in the world. What kind of Disneyland mess is that anyway?

My focus is on preaching this gospel message and salvaging hell-bound lives. And if that happens to offend a sinner - which it should - so be it!

So I'm serving you fair notice now: If you let those demons in you show out on my page in public, expect for you and your demons to get embarrassed in public.

Ain't nobody got time for that mess! You've been warned.

Jessilyn Justice #fundie charismanews.com

Ex-Gay Reveals the Horrific Sexual Abuse That Marred His Identity

Kegan Wesley's testimony is one of the most powerful you'll hear. Now a popular speaker, he was once a scared child who was horrifically raped by multiple men—and his friends.

"I remember after, you know, the men were finished with me, I went outside and (I was) physically hurting, emotionally hurting, not knowing where to go or who to go to," Wesley recalls. "And if I went to somebody, what would I say?"

Thus Wesley embraced what he thought was his identity—that is, a member of the gay community.

But God wasn't about to let him get away.

Watch his incredible testimony.

Ann Coulter #fundie humanevents.com

(Coulter's tribute to Jerry Falwell)

No man in the last century better illustrated Jesus' warning that "All men will hate you because of me" than the Rev. Jerry Falwell, who left this world on Tuesday. Separately, no man better illustrates my warning that it doesn't pay to be nice to liberals.

Falwell was a perfected Christian. He exuded Christian love for all men, hating sin while loving sinners. This is as opposed to liberals, who just love sinners. Like Christ ministering to prostitutes, Falwell regularly left the safe confines of his church to show up in such benighted venues as CNN.

He was such a good Christian that back when we used to be on TV together during Clinton's impeachment, I sometimes wanted to say to him, "Step aside, reverend -- let the mean girl handle this one." (Why, that guy probably prayed for Clinton!)

For putting Christ above everything -- even the opportunity to make a humiliating joke about Clinton -- Falwell is known as "controversial." Nothing is ever as "controversial" as yammering about Scripture as if, you know, it's the word of God or something.

CÉCILIA LÉPINE #sexist feministcurrent.com

Cultures that have ‘third genders’ don’t prove transgenderism is either ubiquitous or progressive

When homophobic cultures are embracing transgenderism, we need to question its so-called “progressiveness.”

Last year, Pakistan started issuing passports with a third gender category marked by an “X”. In March, the country took things a step further and passed legislation allowing people to change their sex on legal documents, based on self-identification. Now, people can officially self-identify as male, female, or neither on government-issued ID documents, meaning an individual born male can now be issued a female passport. Al Jazeera reports:

“The law guarantees citizens the right to express their gender as they wish, and to a gender identity that is defined as ‘a person’s innermost and individual sense of self as male, female or a blend of both, or neither; that can correspond or not to the sex assigned at birth.'”

The law has been celebrated by many as a progressive victory. Amnesty International’s Pakistan researcher Rabia Mehmood told Al Jazeera that the implementation of the bill “is crucial to ensure [trans-identified people] can live their lives with dignity and respect.” While this might indeed seem like a step forward to some, an important detail brings up questions: despite Pakistan’s apparent embrace of trans-identified people, homosexuality remains criminalized in the country. What liberals and progressives who support this kind of legislation have failed to ask themselves is why transgender politics are being embraced by conservative and regressive regimes like those in Pakistan and Iran.

Trans activists claim that transgenderism has existed throughout history. To prove that “gender identity” is not a modern invention, they point to non-Western societies where, historically, more than two genders have been culturally accepted. This claim is rarely subjected to critical analysis. A feminist analysis is ignored in favour of a superficial analysis of race and colonialism that goes as follows: if a third gender exists in non-Western, non-white societies, the “sex binary” must be a colonialist Western concept that has been imposed on all of us.

But while a third gender really does exist in some societies, that doesn’t necessarily mean that these non-Western views of sex and gender roles are anti-sexist, nor does it mean the application of this idea to Western societies is automatically progressive.

If you compare India’s transgender population to Pakistan’s, you’ll notice an interesting similarity: an overwhelming majority are males. Hijra, as they are called in India, are men or boys pressured to become women on misogynistic grounds: these males love hanging out with women, help women with domestic work, have features that are considered “feminine,” or are suspected of being homosexual. They are often castrated and aren’t allowed to marry or own property. While they may be called upon to bless newborns and celebrate marriages, society generally shuns them and they are rejected by their ashamed families. Seen as accursed, they are given a ritual, religious purpose to counterbalance their ungodly condition. They often become dancers and prostitutes and, like in Pakistan, have to seek the guardianship of a guru (who essentially functions as their pimp) in order to avoid homelessness.

One Pakistani man named Zara tells The Guardian:

“I was born with a very small male organ. Inside, my feelings are female… I want to live like a woman, cook and do domestic work.”

The implication is that a small penis and a preference for “woman’s work” mean that Zara is not sufficiently masculine, and therefore not male.

A homosexual male born as Iman but calling himself Marie featured in a BBC documentary, Iran’s sex change solution, consulted several psychotherapists, some of whom “worked underground.” One suggested pills (of an unspecified nature), another electric shock treatment. Eventually, one doctor told Iman that he could “change [his] gender” and said he needed to start hormone therapy. After a while, another doctor encouraged him to take a step further and undergo surgery. “The doctor told me that with the surgery he could change the two per cent male features but he said he could not change the 98 per cent female features to be male,” Iman says. It is very probable that the surgery included removal of his genitals. As a boy, Iman was bullied for having soft features and was frequently told he looked “like a girl.” After being pressured to start hormones to emphasize his “feminine” features, Iman noticed that he started to grow breasts and that his body hair was thinning. There is little doubt as to what the doctor referred to when he mentioned his remaining “two per cent male features”… Iman says he felt “damaged,” physically. “What I saw was frightening and abnormal,” he adds.

Iran doesn’t traditionally have any concept of a third gender, but the arguments towards the acceptance of transgenderism are the same as in India or Pakistan: when men don’t conform to gender roles related to masculinity and heterosexuality, they are told they are not men at all. In countries like India or Pakistan, religious beliefs about the “balance” between male and female play a role in how women and men are treated. There are many stories about “hermaphrodites” or tales about eunuchs. Men who fail to conform are told they have a female soul and hold a special spiritual position. But in Iran, the religious explanation is non-existent: instead, men like Iman are told that they need medical treatment.

Those who claim transgenderism is universal will also bring up Indigenous societies to show that “male” and “female” are simply rigid inventions of Western, colonial culture, offering “third genders” and “two spirit” people as proof of this. “Native cultures” are glamourized as gender-fluid utopias that European, Christian, colonial conquest destroyed, imposing a rigid two-gender system instead. It is true that as part of the Christianization and colonization process, missionaries profoundly changed the social dynamics between men and women. Children were uprooted from their cultural and social spheres and sent to residential schools, where they were taught Victorian values and morality regarding men and women’s place in North American societies. Indigenous people were subjected to different social codes than those they’d grown up with. Their appearance, for instance, was refashioned: boys couldn’t have long hair because it was considered feminine — they had to wear suits, while girls needed to keep their hair tied at all times and wear dresses. But it would be false to presume that Indigenous societies — which are not at all homogenous — regarded gender (in its contemporary definition) as an instrument for self-expression. This assumes all of these cultures accepted the liberal notion of individual choice and freedom popularized in the aftermath of the American Revolution. But modern notions of individualism, self-expression, and self-realization were were not likely present in pre-colonial Indigenous societies.

The Navajo, for example, have a traditional third gender class called “nadleeh.” While, today, the term is applied to both trans-identified males and females, it originally referred exclusively to males. According to an essay by Wesley Thomas in the book, Two-Spirit People, “Navajo Cultural Constructions of Gender and Sexuality,” men who showed proclivities for traditionally female activities such as weaving, cooking, and raising children, became nadleeh.

Thomas writes, “From the Navajo view, until the turn of the century, males who demonstrated characteristics of the opposite gender were known to fulfill their roles as nadleeh.” He argues that the Navajo recognized “gender diversity” pre-colonization:

“Multiple genders were part of the norm in the Navajo culture before the 1890s. From the 1890s until the 1930s dramatic changes took place in the lives of Navajos because of exposure to, and constant pressures from, Western culture — not the least of which was the imposition of Christianity…

… Due to the influence of Western culture and Christianity, which attempt to eradicate gender diversity, the pressure still exists.”

However, he also points out that gender roles still existed in Navajo society:

“The traditional social gender system, although based initially on biological sex, divides people into categories based on several criteria: sex-linked occupation, behaviors, and roles. ‘Sex-linked occupation’ refers to expected work specializations associated with being female or male. ‘Sex-linked behaviors’ include body language, speech style and voice pitch, clothing and other adornment, and those aspects of ceremonial activities that are sex-linked (e.g., women wear shawls in dancing and men do not; men use gourd rattles during dances and women do not). Women’s sex-linked activities include those associated with childrearing, cooking and serving meals, making pottery and baskets, and doing or overseeing other work associated with everyday aspects of the domestic sphere. For men, getting wood, preparing cooking fires, building homes, hunting, planting and harvesting various vegetables, and doing or overseeing work associated with the ceremonial aspects of everyday life are appropriate. A nadleeh mixes various aspects of the behaviors, activities, and occupations of both females and males.”

Traditionally, the Navajo believed that the power of creation belonged to women. It is safe to say that they never believed that nadleeh — “feminine males” — were actually women, because they didn’t have the ability to bear children. They were regarded as feminine on the basis of social occupations but were not called women — azdaa — in the Navajo language. Society was organized on the principle of collective work divided by men and women on account of their physiological differences — women’s activities, for example, were based on their reproductive capacity and status as life-givers.

In this case, the concept of nadleeh cannot be understood as “gender identity” or gender/sex dysphoria, as it was related to social occupations and behaviors connected to sex. While the Navajo are one of the most documented Indigenous cultures, many others are not so well-documented and it therefore seems inappropriate to impose modern notions of “gender diversity,” “gender identity,” or, generally, our own concepts of gender, as we understand it today, in Western cultures.

It also is misguided to assume that non-Western, non-white “third genders” necessarily shatter the gender binary. The existence of other “gender” castes shouldn’t be assumed to challenge the “sex/gender binary” — they need to be examined within their own cultural and political contexts, from a feminist perspective.

The fact that those placed in this “third” gender category are usually males raises another red flag. It suggests that, while men can be downgraded to the status of females, women cannot rise up to the status of men. Being associated with femininity is such a disgrace that men are socially emasculated and physically mutilated. This is pure misogyny. The media remain blind to the evidence, claiming to be puzzled that these supposedly “progressive” gender identity politics are being adopted by otherwise conservative societies that are hostile and violent to women and gay people.

In The Guardian, Memphis Barker writes:

“One reason for the growing acceptance of the trans community springs from an unlikely source — Pakistan’s mullahs. The Council of Islamic Ideology, a government body that has deemed nine-year-old girls old enough to marry and approves the right of men to ‘lightly’ beat their wives, has offered some support to trans rights.”

Of course, in reality, this “support” is only for misogyny.

So blinded by our own Western views on transgender politics — certain we are on “the right side of history” — we can’t see how these ideas could be harmful. Our critical minds have been paralyzed, and fear of backlash has caused us to avoid asking questions. Despite what so many would like to believe, transgender ideology, no matter how and where it is promoted, has put women and gay people in danger all around the world.

Stephen A. Coston, Sr #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

"Royalty, Rumors and Racists"

BY STEPHEN A. COSTON, SR.

AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK:

KING JAMES
The VI Of Scotland & I Of England
Unjustly Accused?

The character assassination of His Majesty King James VI & I is an ongoing evolving process that has matured in this present day to a sort of "open season" of differing opinions variously setting forth different theories and hypotheses on the whys, hows, and ifs of the alleged "homosexuality" of King James VI & I. Part of the reason for so many differing opinions is that many historians and would-be historians have forsaken fact for fictional accounts on the life of King James VI & I. Without facts to restrain the imagination the investigative process turns into a rumor mill and as such is an aberration of the historical process. Often these highly speculative accounts, contemporary or modern, are based not on the actual life and words of King James VI & I but on what these individuals THINK what King James VI & I said and did meant. Honest professional historians are beginning to admit this and this is most welcome; however, King James VI & I still has his ardent critics.

More often than not even when actual facts of King James VI & I are presented they are subjected to interpretive twists designed to give the reader the impression that the words and deeds of King James VI & I support the allegations commonly leveled against him. Case in point, it is a known fact King James VI & I was handicapped from birth with weak limbs and injured himself many times. This caused him to have an unsteady gait. To compensate for this King James VI & I often leaned on his most trusted councilors and friends which also happened to be members of his personal staff, individuals critics freely term "favorites." It is often stated that "James was fond of leaning all over his beautiful young favorites" giving the reader the impression King James VI & I did so not because of a physical handicap but because of sexual attraction to same. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Further, it is also freely alleged that King James VI & I "passionately kissed" his "favorites" in public.

Critics of King James VI & I are fond of inferring from the above that King James VI & I engaged in the "French kissing" of his "favorites." They then use this assumption as yet another "proof" to support their contention that King James VI & I was indeed truly a "homosexual."

What the detractors of King James VI & I utterly fail to realize; however, (to their detriment) is the fact that the accounts responsible for popularizing this characterization were penned by individuals who hated not only King James VI & I as a Scot, but the whole country of Scotland as well. They were some of the most militant racists of the time of the most vicious type. Some of their contemporaries knew this and railed against them and defended King James VI & I and it is quite the mystery why modern critics seem not to know this.

Another point that critics of King James VI & I fail to recognize relative to this issue of kissing is that King James VI & I "slobbered" when he ate his food, consumed his drink, or even when he "kissed" someone's hand or cheek. Are we to infer then that King James VI & I passionately kissed inanimate objects, foods and drinks and bodily extremities? What about the widely accepted practice of a monarch's kiss at court to show the King's favor upon an individual? Besides that what of the British acceptance of public kissing for all kinds of events and circumstances. Are we then to infer that the whole island of Great Britain was a hot bed of homosexuality?

It is also inferred that because some individuals rejoiced to have King James VI & I's "legs soon in their arms" upon their return to court that this is somehow indicative of a reference to a sexual position. However, there exist many woodcuts depicting just this position of many noble and common men in with King James VI & I at court. It was customary to prostrate oneself at the feet of the monarch when allowed so close to His Majesty's person to receive a welcome, greeting or honor. King James VI & I's own son, the future King Charles I, himself was in just this position at the feet of his father when he returned from Spain. It is amazing that such shallow reasoning can be allowed to be pawned off as legitimate historical analysis.

Finally, much is made of King James VI & I articulating in his writing that he "loved" someone of the same gender giving the reader the mistaken belief that "love" stood for a sexual attraction and thus yet another "proof" of the "homosexuality" of King James VI & I. Also, it is alleged that King James VI & I "justified homosexuality many times" in his writings.

The most common offered "proof" of this mistaken assertion is a quotation from King James VI & I's speech to Parliament which is violently ripped from its intended meaning and context. For an in- depth refutation of this form of argument the diligent reader is referred to my book King James VI Of Scotland & I Of England - Unjustly Accused.

The Reverend Barrie Williams sums up the desperation of this reasoning:

"... there must be many besides myself for whom nine short words of the King are sufficient: 'Jesus had His John, and I have my George.' King James was in every estimate a devout protestant, and anyone who can believe that he would cast aspersions on the moral integrity of Our Saviour would have no difficulty in believing that the world is flat."

The sheer etymological ignorance of this type of argument is astounding! In my book King James VI Of Scotland & I Of England - Unjustly Accused I examine the widespread and commonly accepted practice of men and women writing to each other in loving terms and expressing their "love" for one another. Such Jacobean stylistic expressions of this kind were in no way indicative of sexual attraction or homosexuality.

I believe Lucius Annaeus Seneca said it best when he wrote:

"... they refute their case by means of the very passages which lead them to infer it."

Certain revisionist historians would have you believe otherwise and advocate the use this method to prove Biblical characters were likewise "homosexuals" to include Jesus Christ, David and Jonathan. These types of evidences, if you can call them that, are the types of things that critics of King James VI & I use to validate their claims. When they can't force King James VI & I to say what they want they simply make him "mean" what they want. Or, in other words, what they can't find stated they simply infer is there and place between the lines even though it is not "in the lines." However, if King James VI & I did not mean what he wrote then who is anyone to tell us what he actually meant?

As far as "witnesses" go, critics can only cite a handful of contemporaries of King James VI & I and most of these were men fired from office (sour grapes), or were political or religious enemies of the King, or they were otherwise disgruntled courtiers with an ax to grind and none ever were eye witness to any overt sexual acts on the part of King James VI & I.

Not only this but I have not found one yet that ever formally accused King James VI & I of directly being a homosexual and brought his case before any legal or religious body not to mention attempting to obey the precepts of Scripture in making such outlandish claims. For an in- depth examination of the charges commonly leveled at King James VI & I the careful reader is referred to my book mentioned previously.

It is obvious that myriad are the claims leveled at James Charles Stuart's (King James VI & I) moral character or lack thereof. However, out of this great sea of negative opinion the tide is fortunately turning away from the shores of libel and gossip and heading towards the calm home port of objectivity and evidentiary concerns.

Historians like the rest of our society are not immune from the influences of modern faddish trends and regrettably King James VI & I has suffered more than his share of diatribes that are directly due to a falling away from classical objective interpretive methods that were long indicative of the traditional historical method. Recent trends have captivated modern historians and led them to experiment with eisegetical techniques and to put it colloquially "tabloid style journalism." Therefore, much that has been written regarding His Majesty King James VI & I has not been the result of a balanced exegetical method.

Further complicating the situation and making matters worse has been the regrettable over reliance by historians on certain scurrilous sources that were produced in an era when libels of the Stuarts and the Monarchy were at a premium in general and whose opinions were motivated by a distrust and outright hostility to the noble Scots as a nation and King James VI & I in particular. King James VI & I being the first Scot to sit on the English throne and the natural father of the last Stuart King to reign in England before the regicide of The Royal Martyr, King Charles I, King James VI & I was naturally a prime target for abuse.

Making an easy target for his pursuit of peace and his many physical handicaps, King James VI & I was and is ill treated by many who venture to put pen to paper with a view to ruminating on the character of this much misunderstood Monarch. Like all of us in the course of King James VI & I's life he made enemies, and as king he had more than his share. Not only this but King James VI & I had to deal and overcome outright racism against his home of birth, Scotland. It is a sad fact that most of King James VI & I's contemporary critics were either disgruntled courtiers who were removed from office by King James VI & I himself or otherwise suffered loss of political or peerage advancement under King James VI & I or were haters of the whole Scottish nation!

Much indeed has been written on King James VI & I and because of this plethora of information a few researchers when doing analysis on King James VI & I simply refer back to past popular and easily obtainable sources rather than expending time and effort in obtaining rare and difficult to find first hand accounts of either the critical or ameliorative sources. Most indeed who have written about King James VI & I have never actually sat down to read what he actually wrote. This environment has created a prime climate for the kind of slanders and libels King James VI & I has been subjected to.

In my years of research on the life and character of King James VI & I, I have found that there is a great reluctance on the part of some of the more militant and bellicose of modern day critics of King James VI & I who claim to have facts to prove (beyond what they assert in their books) King James VI & I was a homosexual.

They seem unwilling to stand up to investigative criticism of their conclusions. They speak of research but balk at detailing the fruits thereof. They are fond of citing whole volumes of books and articles which they claim validate their assertions but refuse to justify any conclusions or data found therein. Some of the more extreme "Christian" critics of King James VI & I are extremely reticent about applying Biblical injunctions against gossip and rumor to their sources or even allow King James VI & I the protection of Scripture as found in Deut. 19:15 or I Tim. 5:19. Further, some are found to deny King James VI & I even professed to be a Christian! I find this extremely curious that such individuals who claim to be "Christians" would ignore Biblical injunctions on falsely accusing a brother and the evidentiary requirements to sustain charges of the type they advocate.

Thankfully, modern secular critical opinion on King James VI & I is reevaluating the negative assertions of his moral character and moderate critics of King James VI & I are now admitting that these charges are basically OPINION not historical facts! As noted above, only a few extremist and militant and the most ardent of King James VI & I's critics are espousing some of the most vociferous and invectively rancorous libels of King James VI & I.

I have also found in the course of my research a most curious phenomenon, that there is almost a total vacuum of consideration of what King James VI & I actually wrote or what he believed outside of a few brief excerpts of his writings which are more often than not stripped from their context or misinterpreted almost beyond recognition. Great weight almost to the point of complete dependence is attached to the writings of a few disgruntled courtiers, racists and bigots (Sir Anthony Weldon, Francis Osborne and Sir Edward Peyton and a few others).

The writings of Peter Heylyn, Sir William Sanderson, Bishop Godfrey Goodman and Anthony A. Wood and others (not to mention King James VI & I himself) are almost totally forsaken thus creating an unbalanced view of King James VI & I as viewed from contemporary accounts. Similarly, most modern works which discount the critical view of King James VI & I are also almost completely ignored by those who wish to paint King James VI & I as a homosexual.

When authors are unduly influenced by the scandal value of such poor sources they tend to rely on them in extreme and thus forsake detailed historical research and ignore the principles of evidentiary preponderance of evidence and thus sacrifice this for the propensity of our frail human nature in its attraction for dirt and scandal. Contradictory applications of principles and imbalanced research techniques can only result from a defective research method. Unfortunately this type of phenomenon has run rampant and caused many such evaluations to run amuck of the facts concerning King James VI & I.

I have not found any persons yet who libel King James VI & I as being a homosexual who are willing to allow themselves to be judged based on the same lines of evidence and principles upon which they unjustly convict King James VI & I .

All these factors coupled with the cultural and etymological ignorance prevailing in our day and the outright historical bias of some against King James VI & I have produced a situation where King James VI & I's accusers have played free with the actual historical facts and in some cases invented more ingenious eisegetical interpretations than any stretching of the imagination could ever produce. Thus the facts of history have been traded for the inventions of the imagination and regrettably there has of yet been no limitation to the unbridled attacks on the ever blessed memory and reputation of His Majesty, King James VI & I. When such pseudo-history is accepted for the real thing and we refuse to be bound to actual historical facts and opinions are masqueraded in place of reality then no valid conclusions can ever be reached.

In my attempts to request evidence that is commonly purported to exist by the sternest critics of King James VI & I sadly I have found that this evidence is often elusive and at best highly speculative. Instead what I have been offered in place of hard data from King James VI & I's militant and extremist critics is sarcasm, evasion, ridicule, rudeness and outright refusal to provide the requested information.

From King James VI & I's more mild critics they are at least recognizing the fact that their opinions have led to incorrect assumptions that accusations of homosexuality leveled at King James VI & I are factual, which they are not, and are based on speculation and opinion. Many are even willing to entertain the belief that King James VI & I might not have been homosexual at all. This is something that King James VI & I's hard line critics have yet to do and seem dead set against.

The personal slanders and racially motivated innuendoes and epithets were indicative more of the declarant's anti-Scottish bias and resultant dislike of King James VI & I than they were etiologically the result of actual facts. Thus, the scandalous artifacts which have been so carefully exhumed setting forth the "dirt" of the matter are in need not of study but of burial. These slurs are only allegorically and vaguely implying misdeeds on the part of King James VI & I in the most indirect manner and should be highly suspect. Often by their own account imagination played a key role in their assertions and this was based on their own particular interpretation (not provable facts) of the actions of King James VI & I. It is highly coincidental that the promoters of the charges were those who either bore no good will to the Scots or otherwise had a grudge to bear against their King. So, like irreverent grave robbers having no respect for the dead they attempt to steal that which does not belong to them and not content with desecrating the memory and honor of King James VI & I they also trample under foot his blessed memory. This ought not be so!

There seems to be a divergence of opinion amongst King James VI & I's critics. This is indicative of the fact that modern attitudes on King James VI & I are changing and the hard liners are refusing to budge. So far factual rebuttals of the hard line opponents of King James VI & I have had little effect as the pugnacious critics are refusing to yield to the actual evidence and are holding on to the rumors of the past. Such is the decline and decay of our society when we will allow the least of us, those who cannot defend themselves, to be thrown to the wolves if you will and be unjustly accused. In our passive acceptance of this injustice I see the fate of us all in that one day we may all find ourselves the target of false accusers. Where have moral and historical ethics gone!

The sheer bankruptcy of the critical case should be evident to any sincere lover of history. To those who will convict King James VI & I on the scantiest of evidence it must be seen that these individuals will thus embody the demise of all true history. The plethora of moral indictments and claims against King James VI & I's character are not historical facts but rather in all actuality primarily unjust criticisms which are commonly mistaken for facts.

Serious dialogue seems to have been relegated to the museum of ancient history and fallen into disuse. However, the criticisms of King James VI & I actually reveal more about our society's preoccupation with scandal and dirt than they do about the life and character of King James VI & I . We can no longer allow lopsided research to overpower the facts of history.

The best advise and observation on this sad situation ironically comes from King James VI & I himself. As His Majesty King James VI & I noted almost prophetically long ago:

"And principally exercise true wisdom in discerning wisely between true and false reports. First concerning the nature of the person reporter; next, what effect he can have in the well or evil of him whom of he maketh the report; thirdly, the likelihood of the purpose itself, and the last the nature and past life of the delated person ... "

And:

"They quarrel me (not for any evil or vice in me) but because I was a king, which they thought the highest evil, and because they were ashamed to profess this quarrel they were busy to look narrowly in all my actions, and I warrant you a moat in my eye, yes a false report was matter enough for them to work upon."

His Majesty King James VI & I,

Basilicon Doron

Richard Quenneville Richard Quenneville #fundie quora.com

Is Jesus from the Walking Dead TV show actually the real Jesus?

No, there are multiple ‘saviors’ on the TV Show, but only one in real life.

Not being familiar with this series, I can’t tell whether there are good moral lessons.

It may be helpful to examine just who Jesus was. A man who could say, “Before Abraham was, I AM,” or “I AM the Resurrection and the Life,” but also weep publicly at the death of his friend Lazarus, is no ordinary mortal. If HE was the Messiah, he certainly fulfilled all the prophesies about HIM.

Why would we need the Messiah? Because Adam & Eve disobeyed their Creator, ate of the fruit of the Forbidden Tree, thus committing the Original Sin; a sin so serious that it destroyed grace in their souls, closed Heaven, and was passed on to their descendants. Since the offense was directly against God Himself, it could only be repaired or overcome by a Divine Person, and that Person was Jesus Christ!

Sounds like a fairy tale? No one knows the particulars—what did Adam & Eve look like, [hint: they certainly did not ACT like apes]; what did the Garden of Eden look like; what did the Serpent look like; what kind of fruit did they eat; what did the Tree look like? Or is this some kind of myth produced in order to explain why humans are so different from the other living creatures on this Earth?

There had to be first parents. Of all visible and living creatures, we seem to be the only ones with Free Will. Humans invent, anything from automobiles to pins; brute beasts do not. Humans build houses and skyscrapers; brute beasts build nests and beaver-houses, but each species seems to make the same kind of house—except humans!

Jesus Christ came in order to repair the damage caused by Original Sin. Does the TV show do that? Jesus is called ‘savior’ because HE alone suffered and died for mankind, thus saving us from our sins. Does anyone do this in the TV show?

Hope that helps!

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

When you assume that you can read God’s mind for Him and accurately anticipate His will in every situation, you assume incorrectly. In the Bible, we find God telling fathers to kill their children (Abraham, Jephthah & the Levites). We find Him telling soldiers to commit genocide. We find Him ordering cities to be burned to the ground and never rebuilt. We find Him turning sincere believers into powerful politicians who helped run their governments as they worked alongside a bunch of demon worshiping sorcerers (Daniel & Joseph). Does God want His people involved in politics? Absolutely. Does He want His people going to war? Yes. God wants all kinds of things, and sometimes His orders get downright bizarre. God told the prophet Isaiah to walk around naked for years. He told the prophet Ezekiel to lie in the dirt for over a year. He told the prophet Jeremiah to walk around wearing a wooden yoke around his neck. He told Gideon how to set up a deceptive ruse on the battlefield. He approved of the prophet Elisha publicly lying to a bunch of enemy soldiers and then leading them into an ambush. You can’t anticipate God—He’s wild and unpredictable. He has a long history of handing out some very bizarre orders. Yet because God is so powerful and so able to make your life a misery, He really isn’t Someone you should be trifling with.

Creflo Dollar #fundie opposingviews.com

Televangelist Wants Donations Of $300 Or More To Buy A $60M Luxury Jet

The prevalent televangelist and founder of Atlanta-based World Changers Church International wants 200,000 people to donate $300 each so he can purchase a luxurious $60 million Gulfstream G650 airplane for his ministry — an airplane popular among billionaires.

Donations over the $300 mark are also welcome.

Reverend Creflo Dollar, 53, posted a five-minute video to his website asking for donations toward the plane.

Dollar said the airplane is needed so “World Changers Church International can continue to blanket the globe with the Gospel of grace.”

Dollar preaches all over the world, but normally works out of his “World Dome” amphitheater in Atlanta, Georgia, broadcasting his sermons across the country.

The private airplane Dollar had been using was reportedly damaged during an overseas trip, and he says if it were not for his skillful pilot, tragedy could have struck, per the Christian Post.

"The ministry's current airplane, was built in 1984, purchased by the ministry in 1999 and has since logged four million miles. Recently on an overseas trip to a global conference, one of the engines failed. By the grace of God, the expert pilot, who's flown with Creflo for almost 20 years, landed the plane safely without injury or harm to any passengers," said the website appeal.

Why does Dollar need to replace his old airplane with one of the most luxurious private jets available today?

An explanation was not given.

"Due to this recent incident coupled with the 31 years the airplane has been in service, we believe it is time to replace this aircraft so that our Pastors and staff can continue to safely and swiftly share the Good News of the Gospel worldwide. Believe it or not, there are still millions of people on this planet who have never heard of Jesus Christ and know nothing of His greatness. Our hearts desire to see precious lives changed and snatched out of darkness and thrust into His marvelous light! We need your help to continue reaching a lost and dying world for the Lord Jesus Christ.

”The mission of Project G650 is to acquire a Gulfstream G650 airplane so that Pastors Creflo and Taffi and World Changers Church International can continue to blanket the globe with the Gospel of grace. We are believing for 200,000 people to give contributions of 300 US dollars or more to turn this dream into a reality — and allow us to retire the aircraft that served us well for many years," the appeal said.

As of this morning, the video is no longer viewable on the website, reports CNN.

World Changers Church International preaches prosperity gospel, promising wealth and health to those who give 10 percent of their income to the church.

Dollar owns two Rolls-Royce vehicles and multi-million dollar homes in Atlanta and New Jersey.

His estimated net worth is $27 million, reports The Daily Mail.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

The early church in the Book of Acts was rocking the boat. They were making people angry by preaching the truth. Some people were martyred, willing to die for the cause of Christ. In acts 19:19 many who had been involved with the occult brought their "curious arts" and burned them in a bonfire. The worth of the books and items were 50,000 pieces of silver (about $48,000 in today's value, and millions in Bible times). A piece of silver was a day's wage in the New Testament.

The local idol makers were so enraged at Paul, that the other believers had to keep him from the angry mob waiting to tear him to pieces (Acts 19:30). This is what the truth does friend, it puts the beer companies out of business. It puts the pornographic perverts out of business. It shuts down the taverns and whore houses. The truth cleans up the community. It cause women to keep their babies instead of murdering them. It puts the Rosary makers out of business. It puts the palm readers, Tarot card readers, and psychics out of business. It puts the Godless video game makers out of business. It puts Godless Hollywood and Devilish Walt Disney out of business. It puts the gambling casinos out of business. The truth puts the strip joints and nightclubs out of business. Praise God, when Jesus returns at the Second Coming, He will put all these evil people out of business!!!

Please notice that the early believers didn't just preach a salvation message. The Apostle Paul preached about all the things concerning the kingdom of God (Acts 19:8). I actually had a preacher tell me, that when I came to his church, he only wanted me to preach a “salvation message.” He didn't like me teaching that all modern Bibles are corrupt. He didn't like when I preached against liquor. He didn't like when I preached against bars and nightclubs. He didn't like when I exposed the lies of Roman Catholicism. And he hated when I preached with zeal and fervor. He actually accused me of shouting at the people from the pulpit. I was shouting at anybody, I was zealously proclaiming the truth with excitement. I don't know about you, but I get exciting knowing that I have found the truth in Christ Jesus. Eventually he threw me out the door.

Reverend Richard Lane #fundie smh.com.au

A SENIOR minister of a Sydney Anglican parish has made an extraordinary attack on the High Court judge Michael Kirby, warning he would face the wrath of God if he remained unrepentant as a gay man.

The rector of St Stephen's Church in Bellevue Hill, the Reverend Richard Lane, denounced the judge for calling himself a Christian Anglican while living in an openly gay relationship and warned as a "messenger, watchman and steward of the Lord in the Anglican Church of Australia", he faced God's judgment.

To call himself a Christian Anglican was a "perversion of truth" and to continue to do so without changing his lifestyle would brand him, like Herod, a "coward, a liar, a deceiver" and a "lawless one".

Buzzardhut #fundie rr-bb.com

[Buzzardhut pasted a huge document of creationist arguments, here's an excerpt]

The charge is frequently made that belief in a Creator and creation is merely part of "religion" and devoid of scientific evidence. Throughout these series of books we have clearly observed that all the evidence is on the side of creation, not evolution. Now we shall learn that it is evolution which is a religious faith. Yes, it is true that there are religious people who believe in creation, but it does not take religiosity to accept scientific evidence. On the other hand, it requires the religious fervor of evolutionary theory to reject all that evidence and cling instead to a myth.

Ghost #fundie ghost.report

he galvanization of Communist/Socialist fervor seems ever expanding amongst the young. What these young people fail to understand is that they have been programmed into believing their current political perspectives. The institutions of education and media have been integral in cultivating a mass acceptance of this murderous political philosophy. But what is Communism/Socialism?

Simply put, Communism/Socialism is the complete elimination of individual thought, choice and decision. The authority of individuality is given to the State which centrally plans ALL aspects of Human behavior and activity. Moreover, all aspects of economics is given to the State and it dispenses revenues how it see fit. Ownership of business or land is completely prohibited; entrepreneurship and intellectual curiosity is persecuted.

Below is a brief video detailing what has been mentioned previous:

How can the individuals who work for the Communist/Socialist State justify this mass murder of People? One must look no further then Atheism and Dialectic Materialism. Atheism is a tenant of Communism/Socialism that is intended to dehumanize the population into believing that they are nothing but bacteria on a rock. Spirituality is purged and the only entity left to worship is the State itself.

Dialectic Materialism is the philosophy of Communism. It is comprised of two philosophical schools, merged into one. The Hegelian Dialectic philosophy is the understanding of metaphysical contradictions and their solutions (G.W.F. Hegel). For example: when one state of reality’s contradictions are exposed, a new reality is created until the contradictions from that reality are exposed, creating another new realty and so forth. In theory, the Dialectic method will continue this “new reality/contradiction” exposure until there are no more contradictions left. Hence, the utopian society.

Communists believe that waiting for the Dialectic method is redundant and time consuming. They believe they can rapidly advance the Dialectic method by force. That’s where the addition of “Materialism” comes in. The Communist Materialist philosophy believes that EVERYTHING is disposable (including Humans) to swiftly facilitate the Dialectic process. And that is how all Communists justify mass murder and death in their Godless and soulless minds; Atheism and Dialectic Materialism.

Now why is the education system and the media programming the youth to willfully accept this evil political philosophy? Because both entities would be the end authority of those institutions in a Communist State. The motive of any Communist/Socialist is to consolidate and monopolize totalitarian power for themselves. No rational and properly informed Human being would promote Communism/Socialism unless they believed they were to be awarded unadulterated power over People.

Communism/Socialism must be eliminated by any means necessary. It has shown itself to be a danger to ANY geo political mass of People. The empirical evidence proves that this philosophy is blood thirsty and power hungry, with no remorse to anyone who is murdered to achieve its political objectives. It is also the most manipulative political philosophy in the world by conning the regular People with political romanticism and promising its leaders God-like power.

Anyone promoting Communism/Socialism is just as dangerous as Islamic terrorists. Hence, why it’s no coincidence that these two murderous groups have combined forces in an attempt to destroy the West.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

AVATAR teaches demonic New Age philosophies, and an utterly false New Age gospel. The Bible places a curse upon James Cameron and Avatar according to Galatians 1:9, “As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.”

Further evidence of a Biblical curse is found in 1st Corinthians 16:22, “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.” Anathema means “cursed” and Maranatha means “the Lord is coming.” Hollywood is cursed. James Cameron is cursed. The Avatar film and actors are cursed.

The movie is saturated with religious blasphemies against God and false teachings. As typical with most Hollywood movies, AVATAR is saturated with profanities against God and the Bible; such as “holy sh_t” and exclaiming “Jesus” as a curse word.

At the beginning of the movie, the commander in charge tells his troops: “If there is a Hell, you might want to go there for some R & R, after a tour on Pandora.” Pandora is the fictitious planet upon which the movie is based. James Cameron is the writer of the film, who clearly plants seeds of doubt in the viewer's mind as to whether or not there is a Hell. If you don't know whether or not there's a Hell, then you don't believe the Bible (2nd Thessalonians 1:8-9).

I have no doubt that Avatar, just like the Harry Potter films, will be used to indoctrinate Public School children with doctrines of devils. Public School teachers across the nation are showing Harry Potter, and garbage like Avatar to the students during class. The Bible and prayer were banned BY COURT ORDER in 1962 and 1963; but teachers can introduce demonic movies, Satanic religions and the blatant lie of Evolution during class without opposition. It is evil.

This is exactly why Karl Marx in the 10th Plank of the Communist Manifesto (a basic reprint of Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati blueprint from 1787) called for a Public School System, to brainwash kids. Literally, Public Schools were created to rob children of their faith in God, turn them against their parents, turn them against their own country, indoctrinate them to trust the government, and to worship Satan through witchcraft and New Age doctrine.

Lazarus #fundie freeconservatives.com

I fully expect the Leftist MSM [mainstream media] to lead the latest wave of world-wide anti-semetism... The annihilation of the Jews will always be the agenda of the puppets of Satan until Christ returns at his 2nd Advent... And not only will they fail in their attempts but they will face the wrath of God for the choice they have made... I wouldnt want to be in their shoes...

Pat Robertson #fundie gainesvillehumanists.org

This country was founded as a Christian nation. And do you know what the Constitution of the United States, when it was signed, Sheila, when George Washington signed it, he said these words: 'in the year of our Lord 1787,' Now that's what our Constitution said.... This is the only country, ladies and gentlemen, whose constitution specifically refers to Jesus Christ. We were a nation founded with faith in Jesus, and all of those people at the Constitutional Convention celebrated a mass for Christ.

Lady Checkmate #fundie disqus.com

How I Overcame Homosexuality by Kegan Wesley

Kegan Wesley was raped at 10 years-old by several homosexual men, he lead an LGBT lifestyle for many years, until he met Jesus Christ at an Eddie James concert. He now speaks to thousands about how Christ completed and restored him, and how Christians can serve ...

This is not a message of hate, but of love - how Jesus Christ loved Kegan to life and freedom.

The power of Jesus will change your life!

https://youtu.be/I4ldL3KjaUE

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

All over the internet, a former Roman Catholic priest and admitted homosexual, Henri Nouwen (1932-1996), is being promoted as a “MUST READ!” I plead with anyone reading my words that you NOT read Mr. Nouwen's ungodly writings...

Henri Nouwen is a complicated figure. He was a Roman Catholic priest whose influence extended far beyond Roman Catholicism. His ecumenical appeal made more angular Catholics nervous, and his Protestant readers gave “qualified” appreciation. While Nouwen wasn’t a liberal, his life and work is a product of a Vatican II age. It came out after his death that he was gay, though he remained celibate and trusted the church’s teaching. Despite his chaste life, his presence in the gay community and his work with AIDS advocacy in the 1980s often made more religious conservatives nervous.

SOURCE: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/reviews/love-henri

If that doesn't make you disgusted enough, it gets much worse. One of the most ungodly men in the religious world for the past 50 years has been Evangelist Billy Graham, who is the founder of ChristianityToday (CT) magazine! CT actually praises Henri Nouwen as a great spiritual man, in an article authored by Wesley Hill, titled, “Weakness Was His Strength.” Folks, homosexual feelings are sinful, just as adulterous feelings are sinful. CT needs to decry homosexuality as a vile sin, not just a “weakness.” The lame excuse that I often hear is that everyone already knows homosexuality is a sin, and instead of making people feel bad about their sins, we ought to emphasis God's love. This is Pastor Joel Osteen's wrong attitude. The truth is that such flawed and unbiblical reasoning is being used by Satan to gain sympathy, and thus tolerance and acceptable, of the sodomite community!!!

Henri Nouwen should be an abomination to Christians, not a hero. I keep reading that Mr. Nouwen was honoring his vow of celibacy as a Catholic priest, but vow or no vow is not the issue... HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINABLE SIN TO GOD!!! (Leviticus 20:13).

Andrew Extein #fundie huffingtonpost.com

Why Queers Should Care About Sex Offenders
By Andrew Extein, MSW


“So, how are the pedophiles doing?”

As a group psychotherapist for convicted sex offenders on parole and probation who also operates a private practice for queer people, I am bombarded with comments and questions from friends and family:

“Aren’t you scared?”

“I could never do that.”

“What’s it like to talk to all those child molesters?”

At first I was surprised to hear some of my most educated, liberal friends ask questions that were, to me, biased and misinformed. I had assumed that, as queers and allies, my friends would have a greater sensitivity to the persecution sex offenders face in American society. I have since come to realize that queer folk are not more prone to find empathy for this population.

I often find myself feeling defensive, and almost guilty, in the line of such questioning. “So... why are you interested in them?” they ask, a look of distaste on their faces.

Here’s the thing: I don’t consider “them” my bizarre, special interest. All queer people are invested in the plight of sex offenders, whether they like it or not.

Deviance and the Dangers of Othering

Although I studied many subjects in college, my interest especially aligned with the radical thinking of my queer theories coursework. Queer theory obliterates the idea of good and bad sex and what should and should not be deemed deviant. As such, my courses covered gay history, the timeline of the gay rights movements, queer theory, and the burgeoning transgender studies, as well as genderqueers, kink, sexual fluidity, and asexuality.

But there was a strange silence in these class discussions as well. As my education continued, I began thinking about other people who transgressed cultural norms of sexuality, other people whose sexual desires had been labeled deviant — people who even queer theory courses weren’t talking about. There might be no group more maligned, marginalized, and disconcerting as modern-day America’s “sex offenders.”

In treatment, lawmaking, and cultural discourse, sex offenders are referred to as participating in deviant sexual behavior, having deviant sexual fantasies, and being inherently “deviant” themselves. From one angle, this is true; all sex offenders have deviated from the boundaries of one or more laws regarding sex or the body.

But sociologist Joel Best describes the problematic nature of how the term “deviance” is used in our culture. In his book Deviance, he emphasizes that “a deviant label was simply a sign that some groups with power had singled out some acts or conditions for disapproval.” The term means that, according to the rules of a powerful few, something is inherently wrong with you if you are not like everybody else. In other words, deviance becomes a viral social construct that serves as a moral imperative to dictate and intimidate people into behaving.

Queer theory has well documented how those in power have employed the terminology of deviance to oppress queers. In recent history, society has labeled gays, lesbians, and transgender folk as abnormal, problematic, and threatening. Gay men, for instance, threatened to lure, groom, and convert children into the homosexual lifestyle; they were not to be trusted or validated. At one point, they were considered mentally ill and criminal. Sex between consenting adult males was illegal and morally reprehensible and served to mandate a gay man to a mental hospital or jail cell. Gay men and trans people socially congregating in bars, such as at Stonewall, was a valid reason for police to raid, frisk, and arrest mass numbers of them.

This is an important part of history that needs to be retold, to serve as a reminder of what happens when authorities dictate the lives and behaviors of “deviant” populations. In fact, this history is still among us; trans, gay, and queer people are currently arrested and incarcerated at a rate disproportionate to the general population. In this infographic, the Sylvia Rivera Law Project outlines how trans and gender-nonconforming people are at a high risk of incarceration, police harassment, and violence. Despite the existence of these contemporary systems of inequality, I worry that in the era of gay marriage, pinkwashing, and assimilatory LGBT politics, we queers may be forgetting the dangers of othering.

Because there’s no use mincing words here: The same methods historically used by the government to imprison and pathologize homosexuality and gender variation are being used today to justify the extreme marginalization, lifetime institutionalization, and oppression of people who have violated sex laws. Sex offenders are the new queers.

Who Sex Offenders Are and What We Are Doing to Them

There is a widespread assumption that all sex offenders are child molesters, pedophiles, and violent rapists. This is not true. A large spectrum of acts are considered sex offenses. These include public nudity, urinating in public, public masturbation, peeping, photographing or videotaping without consent, consensual sex with a 17-year-old, sexting, and downloading unlawful pornography; many of these acts will put the offender on the public registry. There is no single “type” of sex offender; they can be from any walk of life, and any race, class, gender, or sexuality. They are fathers, mothers, brothers, teachers, and friends.

Let me be clear: I am not advocating for the legitimization of these acts as appropriate. A forceful, coercive, violent sexual assault is not to be tolerated. But I am saying that the public perception of the sex offender, and of the laws violated to become a sex offender, is inaccurate.

It is also important to explain the ramifications of this label. In California, many sex offenders must be publicly profiled for life on the online registry created as a result of Megan’s Law in 2004. In 2006, Jessica’s Law increased the penalties for sex offenders, created a residency restriction of 2,000 feet from parks and schools, and mandated GPS tracking for felony offenders. Chelsea’s Law further tightened the restrictions and increased monitoring.

The Supreme Court recently upheld a law that allows for the indefinite civil commitment of those sex offenders deemed unfit to reenter society. This means that they are placed in a forensic mental hospital for the rest of their lives, or until it is decided that they have been appropriately rehabilitated. Very few of these people have been released from civil commitment.

As a treatment provider for sex offenders, I have seen the effects of these punishments firsthand. One of the main issues faced is homelessness. According to the California Sex Offender Management Board, the number of homeless registrants rose from 88 to 6,012 in the five years after Jessica’s Law was enacted. It is almost impossible to find steady work as a felon, and especially difficult if you are listed on the public registry, photo and all. The sex offenders that I see have been socially ostracized, often by family and friends, and suffer from mental health issues such as depression, anxiety, and post-traumatic stress disorder as a result. GPS units, parole visits, and yearly registration serve as constant reminders of their crimes, their victims, and their newfound labels as deviants with no hope of recovery.

However, it is a misconception that the majority of sex offenders reoffend, as the actual number is around 2 to 5 percent for recidivism from a sex crime. A 2008 study by the California Sex Offender Management Board reports 3.38 percent of sex offenders released in 1997 and 1998 were convicted of a new sex offense in the decade after release. A far larger number reenter the prison system as a result of parole violations, an understandable sum considering the severity and rigidity of parole terms.

The sex offender treatment models currently in use are mostly based in cognitive behavioral therapy, helping offenders reevaluate their thoughts and beliefs and make healthier decisions to reduce risk of reoffense. Despite this good-natured approach, these treatment models still speak of sexual deviance. One manual recommends ammonia aversion therapy, in which the offender repeatedly inhales ammonia while reciting his most “deviant” sexual fantasies. The intended goal — to rid the offender of whatever sexual desire is deemed unhealthy or deviant by the treatment provider — echoes gay conversion therapy methods. If queer theory allows for one’s right to a diversity of sexual desire, shouldn’t we question the “reprogramming” of an offender’s sexual feelings?

The main problem with the ammonia aversion therapy is that it presupposes that the sexual feelings motivate and explain the crime. It assumes that if you rid the sexual desire, then you rid the possibility of criminal sexual activity; sexual feelings are understood as uncontrollable dictators of sexual activity. If a man has sexual feelings for children, it is assumed that he is at a high risk of nonconsensual contact with a child. As such, sex offender treatment emphasizes sexual desire as a motivator for a sex crime over other factors, such as low impulse control, a history of trauma, lack of social support, and emotional instability. “Deviant” sexual desire is thereby equated with criminal sexual activity. This is a dangerous stance, as it heightens paranoia and fear in our culture’s understanding of all abnormal sexual feeling, thought, fantasy, belief, or identity.

Why Queers Should Care

Any queer person should feel a pang of familiarity reading about the vilification of people based on sexual desire. At one point, the idea of the predatory, untamable homosexual was a widely held belief; the very fact that a man would think of desiring another man was reason enough to criminalize his existence. Whether growing up in the early 20th century or the early 21st century, a cultural condemnation of queer desire, affect, and identity is consistently reaffirmed.

While mainstream cultural perception of queer people is shifting, it affirms monogamous sex between married, consenting gay and lesbian adults. Gender variation and other forms of sexual desire and behavior, including heterosexual female desire outside of monogamy, still face condemnation. If queerness is teetering on the edge of what culture says is deviant, othered, or wrong, an alliance across marginalized communities is vital for acquisition and maintenance of civil liberties for all.

I need to emphasize that many sex offenders are queer themselves. Many gay men, lesbians, and trans women are labeled sex offenders as a result of survival sex, prostitution, cruising, and public sex. Many queer people don’t realize the legal risks associated with a number of cultural behaviors that have become somewhat normalized, such as public cruising.

A recent example of criminalizing queer relationships is the case of Kaitlyn Hunt. Kaitlyn is a now-18-year-old girl who is being charged with two counts of lewd and lascivious battery of a child resulting from an allegedly consensual relationship with her 15-year-old girlfriend. The Internet has seen a groundswell of support for Kaitlyn, finding her persecution homophobic, unfair, and misguided. This reaction is certainly warranted and points to a larger issue with age-of-consent legislation. This type of legal action takes place all the time, in all types of communities, resulting in new sex offenders to label, monitor, and vilify. The case of Kaitlyn Hunt should open our eyes to the ways in which sex laws are abused in our country — not just for queers but for everyone.

The people we have labeled sex offenders are a multifarious group, with a wide spectrum of sexual desires. Empathy is needed for the group as a whole to ensure that they do not continue to be the cultural pariahs that we queers, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender folk once were, and arguably still are. If we allow for the continuation of inhumane imprisonment based on what dominant culture and the government deem “bad sex,” we put ourselves at risk of further condemnation.

Clearly this is a tricky, complex, and imperfect dialogue to be holding. But I fear that if we queers do not engage in conversations about moral gray areas and uncomfortable topics, we put ourselves at risk and lose the fervor, innovation, and critical thinking that once defined queerness.

IFBaptistGirl #fundie teens-4-christ.org

Here's what I see as a big issue: A minority of people (Sodemites, and yes, that's what they are according to the Bible, hate crime law or not!) are trying to slowly take away the freedoms we've had for several hundred years. Whether people want to admitt it or not, these people have an agenda, and unfortunatly they find people willing to help them in our government it seems.
I haven't looked into this bill too deeply, but my pastor did read it from the pulpit and had a petition available for us to sign (and I signed it buddy, you better believe it!) and what he read gave me cause to worry. Even if, as you say, this bill doesn't prohibit us from condeming homosexuality, or preaching against it, That time is pressing ever closer, and that means we need to be on guard. (The Bible warns us to be vigilent against the devil because he's constantly looking to devour us...and the devil is DEFINATLY behind the Sodomite's agenda!)
This wicked sin NEEDS to be preached on with fervor in our day because it is running rampant. We must do what we can to protect our right to have preachers preach the Word without fear of imprisonment. Our forefathers fought for that, and we need to have enough guts to stand up for our freedom before it gets taken away from us.

Reverent Bill Lawson #fundie money.cnn.com

The Reverend Dr. Bill Lawson compared Lay [the same Kenneth Lay whose corruption scandals lead to the downfall of Enron] with civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. and Jesus Christ, and said his name would eventually be cleared.

"He was taken out of the world right at the right time," he said. "History has a way of vindicating people who have been wronged."

Phyllis Schlafly #fundie wnd.com

Conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly has come out swinging this week against immigration activists who believe that one of America’s defining symbols, the Statue of Liberty, is an emblem for supporting open immigration to America.

“It’s most unfortunate that people who had nothing to do with this great gift from the French were allowed to paste a plaque on the base of the statue with a quotation that has misrepresented the statue as an invitation to open immigration. The statue has nothing to do with immigration,” Schlafly declared.

“Remember, it’s the Statue of Liberty, not the Statue of Immigration.”

The famed author of the conservative classic “A Choice, Not an Echo” made her comments in a radio blog commemorating the 127th anniversary of the dedication of the statue that has become a symbol of America.

The plaque she criticized, placed on the Statue of Liberty in 1903, bears the sonnet of immigrant poet Emma Lazarus.

Left-wing media outlets, such as Right Wing Watch and Salon, pounced on the opportunity to attack both Schlafly and her remarks.

Salon called her comments “hateful” and tried to undermine her reputation by claiming that no one pays attention to her anymore.

Right Wing Watch, along with criticizing her remarks, did admit “the Statue of Liberty was not originally meant by the French to commemorate immigration.”

Unlike her critics, Schlafly believes that the icon simply represents America’s value for liberty, nothing more.

“The Statue of Liberty memorializes the unique liberty we enjoy in America. It has nothing whatever to do with immigration,” Schlafly stated in her radio blog.

She also writes weekly for WND.

She quoted Presidents Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan to explain the real meaning of Lady Liberty and how the statue represents the uniqueness of America and it’s dedication to freedom and liberty.

“On the Statue of Liberty’s 50th anniversary in 1936, President Franklin D. Roosevelt stated: ‘The Almighty did prepare this American continent to be a place of the second chance. … Millions have … found … freedom of opportunity, freedom of thought, freedom to worship God.’ President Dwight Eisenhower stated in 1954: ‘It represents … a nation whose greatness is based on a firm unshakable belief that all of us mere mortals are dependent upon the mercy of a Superior Being.’ When the Statue of Liberty was relighted after a restoration, President Ronald Reagan said in 1986: ‘I’ve always thought … that God had His reasons for placing this land here between two great oceans.’”

Schlafly has distinguished herself as a staunch opponent of granting amnesty to illegal aliens and has called legislation that would grant it “Republican Party suicide.”

In her latest column, she argues that the current batch of immigrants don’t subscribe to American values and are fiercely resisting assimilation into American culture. Thus, in her opinion, she believes that it is a bad policy for the GOP to pursue immigration reform as it would certainly kill the party.

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

In this world, we struggle to forgive and we struggle to love. God understands this and He has compassion on us. Maybe you’ve been horrifically abused by someone and just the sound of that person’s name makes you feel like you’re going to throw up. God understands the effect being ravaged has on us. He understands how pain and suffering can warp us on very deep levels. He has great compassion on the victims of abusers. But He also loves the abusers, and here is where most of us part ways with God and feel justified in hating those who have hurt us. Here is where we feel justified in viewing other souls as the sum of their sins and hating both with equal fervor. The molester becomes completely defined by his acts of molestation. Any act of kindness the man might have done before or after abusing someone is tossed aside as irrelevant and we talk as though his entire life, person, and character can be summarized by a few sordid activities. We do the same with the murderer, the pedophile, the terrorist, and the rapist. Humans become defined by their worst moments and then we refuse to ever give them a chance at redemption. Once a molester, always a molester. It’s all fine and well for you to repent and reform and finally make something of yourself, but once someone gets his name on that public list of sex offenders, that’s all we see him as: an offender. A walking threat. A scourge on the face of the earth.

Be honest: if you had the choice of being a molester or his victim, which would you choose? The answer is obvious: we’d all rather be the victims of abusers than try to deal with the internal torment that they are lugging around. When you cry about the terrible suffering you endured, people come out of the woodwork to express their sympathy. But when your memories of degrading another human being have you so full of self-loathing that you finally decide to blow your brains out, people get in line to hand you guns and bullets. There is no sympathy for the molester—no one wants to hear about the horrors he went through that caused him to become as warped as he is.

Reverend #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Tornadoes are not random. They have nothing to do with pressure systems, or hot and cold, or whatever those evil atheist Scientists come up with. Tornadoes are an exact execution of God's will against sinners. How else can you explain whole cities being torn apart and yet one or two houses remain? The answer is simple: God did not think that those houses were sinning. He told the evil occupants to go to the mall so that they could die with the rest of the people. Anyone who survives isn't "lucky," or "smart." They were saved by G*D!

Bryan Fischer #fundie barbwire.com


And you will notice the Founders compounded the problem for Christophobes by identifying the year not just as the year of “the Lord,” but the year of “our Lord,” meaning that all 55 Framers went on record to declare collectively that Jesus Christ was their Lord and Master.

Proof that this dating formula was not just an afterthought but a conscious, deliberate decision comes from the fact that the Founders not only dated the Constitution from the year of Christ’s birth but also from the date on which we declared our independence. We declared our independence in July of 1776 AD, and the Constitution was approved by Congress in September of 1787.

The complete formula for dating the Constitution reads this way: “…done in Convention…in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth.”

Thus the Founders dated the Constitution, the supreme legal document in American history, from two moments of vast historical significance: the birth of Jesus Christ and the Declaration of Independence. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that, in the eyes of the Founders, these two dates were the most important dates in American history.

I’ve had some secular fundamentalists tell me that this doesn’t make the document or the nation Christian in any sense since the dating formula was simply customary. It’s what everybody did.

I respond by saying this makes the case even worse for them, since they are admitting that it was so common for the Founders to think of Jesus as Lord and his life as the turning point of all history that they had not a moment’s hesitation in putting his name in our foundational document, expressing their personal allegiance to him, and dating it from the year of his birth.

Every time you date a check, or pick up a newspaper, or check the calendar on your smartphone, you are bearing silent witness to the Christian origins of our country, as well as to the enormous impact of Jesus Christ on world history. The history of the world, in the eyes of the Founders, is literally divided into two eras: the era before the birth of Christ and the era after his light came into the world.

Bottom line: America is a Christian nation. every calendar in the world proves it.

Johnathan Shawn Russell #fundie rawstory.com

A former Little League coach sentenced to jail time for spanking the bare bottoms of players was apparently following a Christian child-rearing book, the Citizen-Times reports.

Jonathan Shawn Russell, 33, pleaded guilty in a North Carolina court room this week to four misdemeanor counts of assault on a child under 12. He’ll spend 60 days in jail and 18 months on probation.

The victims ranged from 8 to 9 years old at the time of the incidents, the Times reports. Arrest warrants obtained by the paper say he was accused of “pulling down child victim’s pants and his underwear and spanking him on his buttocks multiple times with his hands.”

The assaults happened in 2014 and 2015.

“Coach Russell made me feel hurt,” one child testified. “When he spanked me he made me feel ashamed because my family trusted him. He made my mom feel sad because he didn’t have her permission.”

Russell was influenced by child-rearing advice book, Shepherding a Child’s Heart, written by Pastor Tedd Tripp. He read a passage from the book aloud on the stand that said, “If you fail to spank, you don’t take God seriously and don’t love your child enough.”

One of the children told his mother he was spanked for saying “dang it.”

“I had no words for (my son) that would erase the fear and embarrassment that this man made him feel from this humiliating and sadistic manner,” she testified. “The acts of this man have left wounds that a Band-aid or doctors can’t heal.”

Russell testified he spanks his own children.

According to the Times, the book instructs spankers to remove a child’s pants and tell them how many spankings they will get and why. Afterward, the parents should hug the child and pray with them.

The assaults had a lasting effect on the boys.

“It was a parent’s nightmare,” one mother testified. “(My son) told me he had been assaulted by his coach and that’s why he didn’t want to play baseball anymore … He loved baseball.”

She added, “He doesn’t allow people to hug him,” she said. “In the weeks leading up to this trial, he started sleeping out on the recliner because he was afraid Coach Russell will come and hurt him again.”

Darth Executor #fundie theologyweb.com

[Disusing the Bible story where children are mauled by bears for making fun of Elisha:]

You need to be tied to a chair and forced to watch "Children of the Corn" over and over until your eyes bleed, idiot. 42 people old enough to know how to insult a prophet of God will tear anyone who isn't armed with a machinegun and lots of bullets to shreds. While you're out collecting manure for your next post, feel free to explain what a group of 42+ "harmless young children" were doing out of the city.