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Martin #fundie premierchristianity.com

(=An Anti Gay vs Pro Gay argument desolves into an Eternal Torment vs Annihilation argument of Hell=)

Martin: Curiously the penalty for all sin is the same:
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
(Ezekiel 18:4 [ESV])
Death is the penalty for any sin.
You reject the fact that homosexuality is simply sexual sin merely to justify yourself.

Guglielmo Marinaro: Ah well, if all those souls are going to die, then they won’t be living on in hell to suffer everlasting torment, will they? So that’s some consolation.
You assert that homosexuality is simply sexual sin merely to justify yourself. I reject the “fact” that homosexuality is simply sexual sin, because it isn’t a fact but simply nonsense.

Martin: Death for the soul of a sinner means an eternity of torment. Keep pretending while you can, one day you'll have to admit you're wrong.

Guglielmo Marinaro: Death does not mean an eternity of torment – except perhaps once again in your Martinian Newspeak lexicon – and an attempt to read such a concept into that verse from Ezekiel is eisegesis par excellence.
You may keep on repeating your ignorant nonsense till kingdom come, and I will continue to recognize it as ignorant nonsense, nothing more. As you have yourself recently observed, it is tedious to have to repeat the same thing over and over again, but – who knows? – God may use it to enlighten you and get you to repudiate your errors.

Martin: Curious then that Jesus speaks of two options, eternal life and eternal punishment:
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
(Matthew 25:46 [ESV])

Guglielmo Marinaro: Quite apart from uncertainty regarding the meaning of the Greek word “aionios”, which has been translated in English Bibles by the word “eternal” or “everlasting”, but which does not necessarily mean “of endless duration” – in the Greek Septuagint it is applied, for example, to things which have long since come to an end, e.g. the Aaronic priesthood (Numbers 25:13) and the gates of the Temple at Jerusalem (Psalm 24:7, 9) – it is interesting that Jesus contrasts “eternal punishment” with “eternal LIFE”, which seems clearly to imply that those who go to “eternal punishment” will NOT live on for ever.
This is confirmed by Jesus’s admonition, “Do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND body in Gehenna.” (Matthew 10:28)

Martin: So you're saying that eternal life doesn't last for ever? I think you'd be hard pressed to maintain that.
As for Matthew 10, it is notable that the same word is not used for the act of one who is able to kill the body but not the soul and the one who is able to destroy both body and soul.

Guglielmo Marinaro : No, I am not saying that eternal life does not last for ever, nor am I implying that. But if the belief that it does has no stronger basis than the use of a Greek word which is applied in the Septuagint to a priesthood which no longer exists and to the doors of a temple which was razed to the ground centuries ago, it rests on a pretty precarious foundation.
Something which has been destroyed no longer exists. If anything, “destroy” bears an even stronger connotation of annihilation than “kill”. The verse in Matthew 10 which speaks of the destruction of both soul and body can, like so many biblical texts, be pulled around in Procrustean fashion to bring it into apparent conformity with preformed dogma, but as the New Testament scholar Kim Papaioannou observes, “It appears that the attempt to understand the meaning of ?p???sa? in Matthew 10:28 as something other than ‘destruction’ in its most obvious meaning is based more on theological considerations than linguistic evidence.” He adds that this conclusion is supported by a survey of the usage of the different forms of that verb in the Synoptic Gospels, elsewhere in the New Testament and in the Septuagint.

Martin: The same word is used of eternal life as to eternal punishment, so if one is not to experience eternal punishment neither will anyone experience eternal life. It matters not what a man who thinks he has invented a whole new understanding of the Bible says

Guglielmo Marinaro: And the very same adjective (a??????) is used of the Aaronic priesthood, which no longer exists, and of the doors of the Temple at Jerusalem, which was razed to the ground centuries ago.

Martin: And the Septuagint was translated hundreds of years before the New Testament was written. Nor is it inspired, the translators were capable of error.
The punishment and life clearly last for the same length of time.

Guglielmo Marinaro: “And the Septuagint was translated hundreds of years before the New Testament was written.”
So what? It is the same Greek adjective, and the Septuagint was good enough for Paul, since it was the version from which he habitually quoted in his epistles.
“Nor is it inspired, the translators were capable of error.”
As were the original biblical writers, and as were all the translators who have produced every translation of the Bible ever made, from the Vulgate to the NIV.
“The punishment and life clearly last for the same length of time.”
Clearly to you perhaps, but clearly not clearly to everyone else.

Martin: You didn't realise languages change over time?
The original biblical writers were caused by God to write as they did, their writing is without error for it is breathed out by God.
When the same word is used of two things in the same sentence it is clear to everyone that the same meaning is given to the two instances. Everyone except you apparently.

David J. Stewart #fundie #racist jesusisprecious.org

There is No Justice for Crime Victims if There is No Hell

I don't have to educate you about all the heinous crimes that people sometimes commit against others. I've been horrified in my lifetime from reading the daily news. I could mention literally TENS OF MILLIONS of documented horrible crimes around the world. Albeit, I want to briefly mention one horrific incident in 1993 that still haunts my soul when I think about it, and makes me rejoice (in an imprecatory way) that God made a Hell to punish evildoers. I literally cried a couple years ago when I read about two teenage Caucasian girls in Texas, who on a normal night while walking home from a pool party at a friend's house, were brutally confronted and assaulted by six teenage punks in a gang (one black and five Hispanic). Those ungodly males took turns raping, sodomizing, beating, torturing and eventually murdering the two girls, choking them to death with their own shoelaces. The boys then urinated on the girls, breaking their ribs and kicking their teeth out with steel-toe work boots, and crushing their necks by stomping on them. When the police found the girl's brutalized and naked bodies in the woods four days later, they wept. I only wish those six monsters who hurt those girls could have suffered the same fate!

Every Christian should feel mixed emotions about the fate of such criminals. If you love God, there should be a part of your soul, that hopes they came to saving faith in the truth of the Gospel in Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul, before he was saved (then called Saul), murdered Christians. God Himself has no pleasure in the death of the wicked—Ezekiel 33:11a, “Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live...” Yet, there should as be a part of your soul, as a child of God, that desires to see justice—an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, life for life—that those young men would burn in Hell as punishment for their atrocious crimes! I am grateful for God's plan of redemption; but I am also grateful for the fires of Hell, for those who die in their sins, those who knowingly refuse God's goodness by rejecting the gift of eternal life thought faith in Jesus Christ! So there must be an eternal place of punishment for evildoers to be punished.

Psalms 9:17, “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” The preceding Bible verse would make no sense if the word “hell” merely refers to the grave, because then the righteous and wicked go to the SAME PLACE! Obviously, the Bible clearly implies eternal damnation and punishment for the wicked! We are warned that “THE WICKED SHALL BE TURNED INTO HELL,” but “THE RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO LIFE ETERNAL.” Notice the distinct and sharp contrast in the following Bible verse between the RIGHTEOUS (saved) and the WICKED (unsaved). Matthew 25:46, “And these [the wicked] shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” Matthew 25:41, “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.” Carefully notice that the “fire” of Hell is “EVERLASTING,” and also that it was originally intended only for “THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.” But when Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden, he opened the floodgate of “sin and death into the world. Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”

Thus, Hell has been enlarged to accommodate fallen man, with the Devil and demons. Isaiah 5:14, “Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.” The Bible is abundantly clear that the reason why God has enlarged Hell, is to accommodate the masses of Christ-rejecting humanity, who must pay for their own sins in everlasting fire. That is what the Scripture saith! Many people find it difficult to accept the reality of Hell, because they cannot accept the idea that a loving and merciful God could create such a place. But if there is no punishment for violation of God's LAW , then God would not be a righteous (just) God. Being a just God, He will reward the righteous and punish the wicked. Hell is to punish the wicked. There must be a Hell, otherwise Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Wall Street, the thieves behind the Federal Reserve Banking System, Bill and Hillary Clinton, The Bush Family, Henry Kissinger and other monstrous evildoers got away with their crimes against God and humanity! Thank God for a burning Hell to punish the wicked; but thank God even more for the gift of forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ, to those repentant sinners who will receive it by BELIEVING THE GOSPEL (i.e., the GOOD NEWS of Christ crucified on the cross, buried and bodily resurrected the third day).

Dennis Lopez #fundie dennislopez.com

I recently watched a video posted by a YouTuber by the username of “Truth96130,” that is basically telling people Hell is not real and that it is a lie of the Devil that works for his benefit. Yes, seriously, Truth96130 really believes this. In the video a renowned and once respected Pastor by the name of “Carlton Pearson” claimed that God told him Hell is not real. I watched the entire video and gave it the complete chance to convince me that his claim was true. What it did convince me of is what the Bible had already warned me about, thanks to Jesus. I will demonstrate to you, the reader, with Bible verses that you can go look up yourself (not my philosophy), and the words of Jesus himself, how this claim is a full-fledged doctrine of demons.
“Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.” (NLT, 1 Timothy 4:1)

This verse by itself should be sufficient evidence for anyone to see that the “Hell doesn’t exist claim” is a trick of the devil to deceive those who are not strong with the Holy Spirit. The Bible warns us of false doctrines, false Prophets, and false Messiah’s. Did Pastor Carlton test the spirits? Did he pray on it and ask God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit for confirmation? I don’t think so, and neither did Truth96130. The devil is known for offering people things (sinful things) for instant gratification and happiness. God on the other hand is always patient and long-suffering, doing things at the right place and time. There is usually a lesson learned through a journey before you receive something from the Lord.
“Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.” (NLT, 1 John 4:1)

Then you have Jesus telling you himself about hell, are the words of Jesus not sufficient? Truth96130 gave no credit to what Jesus said, and said that Jesus spoke in parables which are not historical events. So only the historical things that Jesus spoke about have value and not parables? Are you kidding me? Jesus was teaching lessons about Heaven and Hell, why would it need to be something that happened? Besides, hypothetically it was happening, people were going to Heaven and Hell after death.
It’s these type of people who cherry pick and choose what is convenient to fit their lifestyles, so that they can continue to do what they know is sinful and not feel convicted of it. They are only tricking themselves, but the worst part is they are trying to take others with them! (See Figure 1)
“So ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.” (NLT, Matthew 15:14)

I refuse to let that happen, God ordered us to be the salt & light of the world.
“You are the salt of the earth. But what good is salt if it has lost its flavor? Can you make it salty again? It will be thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless. “You are the light of the world—like a city on a hilltop that cannot be hidden. No one lights a lamp and then puts it under a basket. Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your good deeds shine out for all to see, so that everyone will praise your heavenly Father.” (NLT, Matthew 5:13-16)

Here is another lesson about Heaven and Hell from Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.
“Jesus also told them other parables. He said, “The Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of a king who prepared a great wedding feast for his son. When the banquet was ready, he sent his servants to notify those who were invited. But they all refused to come! “So he sent other servants to tell them, ‘The feast has been prepared. The bulls and fattened cattle have been killed, and everything is ready. Come to the banquet!’ But the guests he had invited ignored them and went their own way, one to his farm, another to his business. Others seized his messengers and insulted them and killed them. “The king was furious, and he sent out his army to destroy the murderers and burn their town. And he said to his servants, ‘the wedding feast is ready, and the guests I invited aren’t worthy of the honor. Now go out to the street corners and invite everyone you see.’ So the servants brought in everyone they could find, good and bad alike, and the banquet hall was filled with guests. “But when the king came in to meet the guests, he noticed a man who wasn’t wearing the proper clothes for a wedding. ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how is it that you are here without wedding clothes?’ But the man had no reply. Then the king said to his aides, ‘Bind his hands and feet and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ “For many are called, but few are chosen.” (NLT, Matthew 22:1-14)

Straight from the mouth of Jesus! This teaching illustrates how God sends his messengers and prophets to invite us to be saved, and to accept his Son, Jesus. We are constantly being invited to Heaven. The Bible is always referring to us (The Church) as the body of Christ and the bride of Christ, which is why this parable is about a wedding banquet for the King’s Son. The King being (God), the Son being (Jesus), the servants being (The Angels, Prophets, and Messengers), and the banquet representing (Heaven). I will let you guess who the invitees are.
Pay attention to the keywords, the servants were sent to notify “those who were invited.” This means not everyone is invited, so where do the uninvited go? I’m pretty sure they go to Hell. Let’s not forget “For many are called, but few are chosen,” that pretty much proves that some are chosen and some are not; meaning, some will go to Heaven and some will not.
Let’s continue on, the initially invited (The Israelites) rejected Jesus as the Messiah, some (The Pharisees) went as far as to kill him. From the beginning of the Bible all the way up to revelations, everyone that God has sent to warn humanity (His Prophets & Messengers) has been murdered or rejected all the way up to Jesus Christ and beyond. That covers the portion of parable talking about the invitees rejecting the invitation and some going as far as to murder the servants. Well, what about the King sending an army to destroy and burn their town?
I am glad you asked, throughout the Bible God turns his back on his people (The Israelites) when they reject him and rebel against him by doing such things as worshiping idols, breaking the commandments, and basically breaking their covenant with him. God removes his protection from them and even goes as far as to send other nations to attack them, as he did with King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. (The destruction and burning of the town also represents the end times in revelations). Of course, he was merciful and gave his people ample time to turn away from their sins and repent.
Moving on, the king sending his servants to invite everyone good and bad represents how the sacrificial death of Jesus enables everyone to be able to go to Heaven, without having to perfectly follow the Law of Moses. God knew we wouldn’t be able to do it. The Law of Moses was nothing more than just a long-term lesson to show us that even when facing the penalty of death and similar penalties, we would still break the law. He basically showed us that Humanity cannot govern itself without the help of God. We would need more than Laws, we would need a change of heart, and we would need the Holy Spirit.
Finally, the man not properly dressed illustrates how those that accept Jesus Christ (The Invitation), but continue to live in constant Sin, can lose their salvation. Just because you accept Christ does not mean you are guaranteed to go to Heaven, it’s only the start of your salvation. The Bible doesn’t say to run the race and fight the good fight for nothing. Now, Outer darkness, weeping, gnashing of the teeth, does that sound like Heaven to you? I think Jesus was speaking in a gentle fashion instead of being blunt and giving it to us straight; however, there is scripture which is not so nice, and for a good reason.
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” (NLT, Matthew 25:46)

Eternal means nonstop, no breaks, forever, everlasting. Some people try to claim it’s just the second death, meaning you don’t get eternal life, but clearly the scriptures say different. You get eternal life, but it’s not the type of eternal life anyone would ever want. This is why God designed this life to be experienced in time. Things in time begin and end. This teaches us what eternity is. That is how just and fair God is.
“They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power.” (NLT, 2 Thessalonians 1:9)

If there is no Hell, how can sinners be punished in eternal destruction or separated from the Lord? Where will they go if they can’t go into Heaven?
“Throwing the wicked into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (NLT, Matthew 13:50)

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.” (NLT, Mark 9:43)

“But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed. For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the Day of Judgment.” (NLT, 2 Peter 2:1-4)

That last verse is just blatantly clear that we will all pay for our sins, and that Hell exist, period! It is true that you can pay for your sins on Earth, but only to a certain extent. God knows that we will not be ultimately perfect without sin,
“Not a single person on earth is always good and never sins.” (NLT, Ecclesiastes 7:20)

“As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous–not even one.” (NLT, Romans 3:10)

But this does not give you the green light to do whatever you want to. God’s mercy, grace, and forgiveness are determined and given accordingly. God knows when you are trying not to sin, compared to when you really don’t care and are trying to fall through the cracks. We should strive to have as little sin as possible, remember God knows what is in our hearts. He can see if your desire is not to sin, but you fall to it not by deliberate will, but by the evil we all inherited from Adam & Eve, there is a difference.

The devil knows this, which is why he uses clever lies to deceive people. Of course he will tell us that our sins are forgiven through Christ, so it doesn’t matter what we do once we accept Jesus, and OH’ yeah by the way, Hell doesn’t exist. That is not what the true Word of God tells us. The “There is no Hell” claim is a doctrine of demons, there is no doubt about it. If Hell isn’t real then why did Jesus go down to Hell for three days to console the spirits that were imprisoned there?

“Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit. So he went and preached to the spirits in prison, those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood.” (NLT, 1 Peter 3:18-20)

Truth96130 claimed that I am confusing the time of this verse. The verse above clearly states that Jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison (Hell) that disobeyed God during the time of Noah, basically all the people who died in the great flood; which by the way, is historically recorded in every culture around the world. If there is no Hell and I am confusing this verse, which I am obviously not, then why didn’t these same spirits go directly to Heaven? Why does the Bible say they are in prison? Why doesn’t the Bible simply say, “Jesus swung by the Prison (Hell) to bail these Spirits out?” Now let’s say there is no Hell, why are these Spirits in prison? What is this prison?
If you go back to (NLT, 2 Peter 2:1-4) which I mentioned earlier, you will see “For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the Day of Judgment.” Key sentence “where they are being held,” doesn’t that coincide perfectly with the spirits in prison! You know, prison, jail, being held captive, I don’t know about you, but it sure makes sense to me. This is the perfect example of scripture backing up scripture. As the saying goes “the writing is on the wall,” and let’s not forget about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. (See Figure 2)
And his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side. (NLT, Luke 16:23)

When I mentioned this to Truth96130 his response was, “well that’s just a parable, and it’s not a historical event.” That statement does not in no way, shape, or form prove that Hell is not real, in fact it diverts from the fact that Jesus used a parable to teach a lesson about Hell. Keyword, “lesson,” Let’s look at the definition of the word parable.

Parable –
A short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
A statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.
Well there you go, a parable is designed to teach a lesson of truth. Just because it’s not a historical event does not mean it is not true. I recommend reading the entire chapter of Luke 16. All words out of the mouth of Jesus, let me remind you. Over and over again in the Bible Hell is spoken about, illustrated, and re-cautioned to those that would believe, keyword believe. The Devil would love for people to not believe in Hell, that way people would just live how they feel and do what they want without having to worry about the repercussions.
Finally, Pastor Carlton and Truth96130 argue that God is love and he wouldn’t do these things to us. I mean how could an all loving merciful God send his people to eternal torture, right? Well once again, directly from Bible verses and not my philosophy, I will show you how God is justified in everything he does. He is the genuine holder of truth, he sets the standards, and he uses fair scales, weights, and balances. We would like to believe we know more than God, we would like to believe our ways are just, we would like to believe we can replace his laws with our own, but the truth is God is the Creator and we are the created. God set the laws of the universe, not us. Who are we but mere mortals.
“For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.” (NLT, Isaiah 55:9)

Do we really expect to have the same mental capacity as the entity that created us and the Universe? Seriously? If that were the case then why would we even need God at all? We would be just like him, which is the exact claim the devil made before he was found with sin and casted out of Heaven. The devil claimed he would be like the most high.
“I will climb to the highest heavens and be like the Most High.” (NLT, Isaiah 14:14)

The created cannot expect to comprehend and know as the creator.
“How foolish can you be? He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you, the clay! Should the created thing say of the one who made it, “He didn’t make me”? Does a jar ever say, “The potter who made me is stupid”?” (NLT, Isaiah 29:16)

Furthermore, as I tried to understand why God would send people to Hell for not meeting his qualifications, I learned some important truths. God has a standard, the one and only true balance of justice, and he will not break it for anyone. He will not be a hypocrite and break his word. Anyone who breaks the law is subject to the consequences, even the Angels.
Example of Truth: Anyone that is truly honest with pure integrity would understand that it is justified for their child to go to prison for murdering someone. Only hypocrites and people without standards would argue different.

People that go to Hell choose to go to Hell. People that go to Heaven choose to go to Heaven. (See Figure 3) God did not make us robots, he gave us self-awareness. I ask the reader, what has more value? A living being that was programmed to be righteous, or one that wasn’t but chose to be and now is? (Causality) There is a reason for everything, which is not just a “saying.” You might not agree with the reason, but who are we to tell God what is and is not fair. I am 100% sure if Jesus Christ disobeyed God, God would have sent him to Hell too.

Another misconception is that it doesn’t bother God to send people to Hell. That is a lie of the devil. The same way it hurts parents to discipline their children with the rod, it devastates our Father to sentence us (his children) to Hell. God does not enjoy this which is why he sacrificed his only Son.
“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.” (NLT, John 3:16)

“The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.” (NLT, 2 Peter 3:9)

There is no excuse, we are warned and given a lifetime to get it right.
Then comes the question? We’ll if God is all loving and merciful then why does he let such suffering happen on Earth? That one is easy. There is suffering on Earth because we have free will to do what we want to, and some of us want to continue to do evil things. Some of us want to follow the devil instead of God. Some of us love sin more than we love our creator.
“And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.” (NLT, John 3:19)

People judge God and they never even get to know him. We’ll what about the good people who have bad things happen to them? Why doesn’t God protect them? First of all, what good people? We are all born evil.
“For I was born a sinner–yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.” (NLT, Psalm 51:5)

We inherited evil from Adam & Eve. We have to be taught to be good. We have the knowledge of good and evil, but without the help of God we will always favor evil. We are self-serving and self-gratifying.
“For they loved human praise more than the praise of God.” (NLT, John 12:43)

Also, remember we are not just facing people with free will that choose to be evil. We are facing our adversary the devil, and we are also facing spiritual battles in the unseen world around us.
“We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.” (NLT, 1 John 5:19)

“Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.” (NLT 1 Peter 5:8)

“For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.” (NLT, Ephesians 6:12)

And that my brother’s and sister’s is why there is pain and suffering in the world. Jesus made it very clear that we will suffer in this world, so why not suffer for him instead? Why not suffer to make it to the pearly gates?
“And all nations will hate you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved.” (NLT, Matthew 10:22)

“Students are not greater than their teacher, and slaves are not greater than their master. Students are to be like their teacher, and slaves are to be like their master. And since I, the master of the household, have been called the prince of demons, the members of my household will be called by even worse names! (NLT, Matthew 10:24-25)

“Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.” (NLT, 2 Timothy 3:12)

Jesus did not promise life without problems once you start following him. He tells no lies and gives it to us straight. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not about infinite happiness in this life, but it is about trials and tribulations leading to infinite happiness in the afterlife. Jesus never said we had to be perfect, nor does the Bible. The Bible tells us to turn away from Evil, stride to change; and most importantly, to ask God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit to help us do it. We are incapable of doing it on our own. So make no mistake of misunderstanding that only perfect people make it to Heaven, which is another lie of the devil. Name one person in the Bible, besides Jesus, that didn’t sin. You can’t do it. Do not try to earn your salvation, instead embrace it. Salvation is a gift from God, it is meant to be received and maintained.
“Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.” (NLT, Ephesians 2:9)

Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who sacrificed himself on the cross so that we can be forgiven for our sins, become reborn and move forward from there, and know that hell is a real place. Fear the Lord of Heaven’s armies and respect who he is.
“Fear of the LORD is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.” (NLT, Proverbs 1:7)

“Fear of the LORD is the foundation of wisdom. Knowledge of the Holy One results in good judgment.” (NLT, Proverbs 9:10)

God can take our mistakes and help us correct them, he can help anyone, anywhere, anytime get back on the course he designed for them. It is never too late to turn to God through Jesus Christ. Simply lift your hands up to God and repeat “Jesus I repent of my sins and I accept you as my Lord and savior, Amen.” Then seek the kingdom first, read the Bible, continue to pray, and always talk to Jesus looking for guidance and answers, and remember we have the Holy Spirit to help us through it all.

“But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative–that is, the Holy Spirit–he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.” (NLT, John 14:26)

“Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.” (NLT, Matthew 6:33)

I encourage all my readers to fact check me, go look for yourself and make sure that I am not misleading you. Make sure that I am speaking from the lessons of the word of God and not from my own philosophy. Make sure that I am not twisting the word of God. I also invite my readers to comment and share your opinions down below in the comment section. May the Lord of Heaven’s Armies Bless you all!

I am currently reading and quoting from the New Living Translation version of the Bible.

David J Stewart #fundie #crackpot jesus-is-savior.com

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Man is a Sinner in the Eyes of a Holy God.
Isaiah 53:6, “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
Romans 3:19, “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”
John 3:3, “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Romans 3:10, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”
Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”
There is a Price For Our Sin―Burning in Hell Forever.
Romans 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”
2nd Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 20:15, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 21:8, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Jesus paid that price by dying on the cross and shedding His blood; Christ was buried and bodily rose again the third day!
Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
1st Timothy 1:15, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
1st Peter 1:18-19, “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ...”
1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” This is the Gospel.
By faith in Jesus Christ ALONE we are immediately saved.
Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
John 11:25, “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”
John 6:28-29, “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Mark 1:15, “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Acts 26:18, “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
1st Corinthians 3:11, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
Salvation is NOT found in a religion or good works, but in a Person... The LORD JESUS CHRIST!

Simply BELIEVE the Gospel and You Are Saved!

The Heresy Of Having To “Pray” To Be Saved

Fundamentalist Heresy! (In this awesome sermon by Pastor Jack Hyles, he explains that prayer, turning from sins, inviting Jesus into your heart, and other popular clichés are not necessary to be saved. They are not wrong to do, just so long as you don't do them to get or stay saved!)

My friend, for most of my Christian life I have led people to pray a sinner's prayer to be saved. Although this is not wrong to do, it is an extra step that the Bible does NOT require, which may confuse some people. You don't have to “ask” Jesus to save you, because God has already promised “TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE” (1st Corinthians 1:21). We read in John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life” [emphasis added]. The way to be saved is to BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!!!

Do you admit that you are a GUILTY sinner, under the condemnation of God's LAW, deserving of Hellfire?

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God (God in the flesh) who died upon the cross, sacrificing His precious blood to pay for your sins? Do you believe that Jesus was buried and bodily resurrected three days later? This is the Good News of the Gospel... Jesus DIED ON THE CROSS, He was BURIED and He is RISEN! Believe it friend, make it your only hope for eternal life, and you are saved!!! Amen!

To be saved you simply come to God by faith, as a guilty sinner, and BELIEVE the Gospel.

You must know that you are a sinner. No man ever got saved who didn't know that he is a sinner. Repentance is that thing when you come before God and see yourself as you are, and see Him as he is, and say with Isaiah “Woe is me, for I am unclean!” Repentance is simply a change of mind, where you admit that you are a woeful sinner totally incapable of saving yourself. Thus, you believe the Gospel (Good News) of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved.

Perhaps you'd feel comfortable praying a sinner's prayer as did the publican in Luke 18:13... “And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto Heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.” It doesn't matter exactly what you pray, because you're saved by BELIEVING, not by praying. But if you'd like to pray as an expression of your faith, you could pray something like this. ...

Dear Jesus,
I admit that I am a sinner deserving of Hell. I am guilty for breaking your holy commandments. I believe that you died on the cross to pay for my sins, were buried, and bodily resurrected three days later. Please forgive me of my sins and take me to Heaven when I die. I now believe upon You alone, apart from all self-righteous works and religion, as my personal Savior. Thank you. Amen.

Just as you were born physically to your parents, so you were born spiritually into the family of God when you received Jesus! John 1:12-13, “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”

Again, please understand that we are not saved because we pray a prayer, but because we BELIEVE upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is certainly appropriate to ask the Lord in prayer to forgive and save us, but it is our faith which prompts us to pray. You could just as easily believe in your heart upon the Lord to be saved, and not pray at all. Salvation is of the heart, as we read in Romans 10:10, “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness...”

Likewise, it is an extra unnecessary step in God's plan of salvation, to require a person to walk down a church isle to be saved. Why cannot people be saved right there in their pew seat? They certainly can! Only God knows how many millions of people have gone to Hell, because they didn't want to walk down a church isle to find out how to be saved. Preachers should always give people a chance to be saved right there in the privacy of the pew. If they hear the Gospel preached and gladly receive (believe) it, they are saved (Acts 2:41).

It's not what you're doing that gets you to Heaven, it's where you're looking. Look to Jesus!

You do NOT have to be water baptized nor doing anything to get to Heaven other than trust upon the Lord as your Savior. Romans 4:5-6 proclaims... “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him (Jesus) that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God Imputeth Righteousness without works.” What a wonderful truth! Our faith is COUNTED for righteousness! God's righteousness is IMPUTED (transferred) to us, and our sins are IMPUTED to Christ.

There is NO self-righteousness (human effort) involved in salvation. It is the gift of God. You see, we have no righteousness of our own to offer God. No amount of good can undo the bad we've done. Jesus paid a debt that He did not owe, because we owed a debt that we could not pay. Salvation is receiving, not giving. We are sinners and Jesus is the Savior. Jesus is precious! We are saved by trusting, not by trying.

And please BEWARE my friend of the horrible heresy of WRONG REPENTANCE that says you must turn away from your sinful ways to be saved, because THAT IS NOT A GIFT! Of course God wants everyone to turn away from sinful behavior, but only because YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, and not to BECOME A CHRISTIAN. The purpose of God's LAW is to give men the KNOWLEDGE OF SIN, to bring us to Christ (the Gospel of GRACE).

Unbelief is the only sin which can keep a sinner out of Heaven. But remember, faith is not the absence of doubt, but the presence of trust. Even if you have 99% doubt, it is nothing less than 100% faith if you call upon the name of the Lord (Romans 10:13). To “call” means to place your complete confidence in the Lord's death on the cross, burial and resurrection to be saved. We are saved by completely resting in the Good News (i.e., Gospel) of Jesus Christ.

Just take God at His word and claim His salvation by faith. Believe, and you will be saved. No church, no lodge, no good works can save you. Remember, God does the saving. All of it!

Trusting Jesus is meaningless without the cross. You must believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins. 1st Corinthians 15:1-4 teaches that the Gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

God's simple plan of salvation is: You are a sinner. Therefore, unless you believe on Jesus Who died in your place, you will spend eternity in Hell. If you believe on Him as your crucified, buried, and risen Savior, you receive forgiveness for all of your sins and His gift of eternal salvation by faith.

You say, “Surely, it cannot be that simple!” Yes, that simple. It is scriptural, it is God's plan. My friend, believe on Jesus and receive Him as Savior today.

If you've never been saved, then now is the time to believe upon the name of Jesus, the Christ, that your sins will be blotted out forever and you can know that your name is written in Heaven. Salvation is not doing your best, it is having Christ's best put to your account through receiving Him by faith. God will not save anyone who is trying to be saved, He will only save those who are trusting to be saved.

Christ died for your sins. You are a sinner by nature and by choice. Jesus took your sins and charged them to His own record. He went to the cross and paid the penalty for your sins. He says if you're willing to receive Him in faith; He will transfer His payment to your debt, and His righteousness to your sins. He will impute to you His goodness, and impute to His own record your sin; if you in faith will trust Him as your Savior.

Romans 8:34, “Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”

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Kindest regards, your humble servant in Jesus Christ...
David J. Stewart

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Annihilation-ism Destruction of the Soul = Old Heresy

The origins of the doctrine known as "annihilationism" go all the way back to the 4th-century when a man named Arnobius first propagated a doctrine that unbelievers passed into "nonexistence" either at death or at the time of resurrection. "As to man, Arnobius . . . denies his immortality. The soul outlives the body but depends solely on God for the gift of eternal duration. The wicked go to the fire of Gehenna, and will ultimately be consumed or annihilated" (Schaff 859). It was condemned as heresy at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 A.D. The doctrine did not reappear again in church history until at least the 12th century. Throughout church history, leading church fathers have taken a strong stand against annihilationism (or conditionalism) in favor of the traditional (orthodox) view of hell as eternal punishment (everlasting) for those who choose to reject Jesus Christ and His gracious offer of eternal life. A few of the more famous figures of Christ's church who have given whole-hearted support to the traditional doctrine include: Tertullian, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley, George Whitefield, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, and Dwight L. Moody. The Westminster Confession of Faith was very clear in its affirming of hell as eternal punishment: "but the wicked who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (Grudem 1196).

Jesus said Matt 25:46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Both words, everlasting & eternal, have the same greek word αἰώνιος aiōnios G166 which is defined as "1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be, 2) without beginning, 3) without end, never to cease, everlasting". So Jesus disproves your point. Big diff from earthly end & eternal punishment.

Jesus said it, so your argument is with Him, not me. HE was the one who used a very specific word and definition. Lots of examples of earthly end of cities, people, etc vs the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels, which is without beginning or end.

Another problem w/ annihilation doctrine = you are now between a rock & a hard place. IF you believe Paul THEN you disregard the words of Jesus (saying Jesus error-ed) = HUGE problem. Now IF you believe Jesus THEN you disregard Paul & his writings are not inspired ure & is a different message = big problem.

he only way to explain w/out causing biblical contradictions is to see the difference between earthy destruction & eternal punishment.

Another problem w/ cherry picking ure is it contradicts others. For example Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." So an OT ure states the opposite of your claim. Does that mean Daniel is not an inspired book & Daniel is a false teacher? Hmmm...

The more scriptures you look at, the more contradictions u have when forcing the doctrine of annihilationism (which is an old heresy).

I hope this helps.

Steve

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Resident #fundie blog.bibleplaces.com

*Context: A debate on Hell, and how a lack of eternal punishment is disrespectful for the damned*


CGrim: "Everlasting is only aionios in Greek, so that everlasting hell becomes only age-during garbage dump"
Uhh... no. Check out Matt 25:46. By your rationale, the "everlasting life" Jesus promised really only meant life until AD 70.

Jerry62: Not only that, if there were any doubt, Jesus is further clarifying what was already mentioned in Daniel 12:2... eternal is an appropriate word for the English translation. That's why Jerome translated it aeternam in Latin as well, because he knew what was implied by the Greek.

J: Two different thoughts on the Matthew verse. One is that the age-during is modified by what it refers to. In the case of life age-during, that life is with God, who is eternal. The chastisement is in reference to the Second Death, which can't be eternal if we are to take any of the passages about death itself being destroyed literally.
OR, the age-during life with Christ could be just that, since in 1 Corinthians it talks about Christ giving up his kingdom to the Father at the end of time.
And, Christ's wonderful promise into banality? The wonderful promise that is "You lot will experience everlasting happiness while the rest of the world suffers unimaginable torment for eternity"?
That is not a wonderful promise, that is a concept more horrific and disturbing than anything any horror writer could come up with.


Resident: Yes, wonderful promise. If you don't like it, go and take something else but don't put your thoughts into Christ's mouth.
"age-during" isn't a word but if you are insisting on such literalist readings, you should be consistent and take things literally. And then "the age" is either eternal both times or it is temporal.
Saying "God is eternal" is chickening out. One can have a temporal stay with the eternal God.
The rest of the world will not "suffers unimaginable torment for eternity" - the world will be with God, whose judgement is just, even in regard to the damned.
But you are faking compassion - you don't want the damned to suffer but have no problem with seeing them dead.


Anonymous: Jerome also used the phrase "en aeturnum et ultra" ("in eternity and beyond") in his commantary on Collosians. If 'aeturnum' always means 'eternal' then Jerome put his foot in his mouth when he wrote this. What can be beyond eternity?
One of the strange things about all of the talk about whether punishment is eternal or not is the fact that if the Lord had wanted to communicate the idea that punishment would be eternal, there are several ways to do this in Greek and make it crystal clear. That did not happen. Instead we have bibles that translate 'aion' and 'aionion' in several different ways. If it was consistently translated as 'eternal' people would see how ridiculous that idea is.
It is also very instructive to study the writings of the early church fathers and church history to see how prevalent a belief universal salvation was, and then compare the conditions that surrounded the second council at Constantinople where they decided that a confession of belief in an eternal hell was one of the conditions for being accepted into "the church". The first post-apostolic council at Nicea was chaired by Gregory Nazianzen who was a universalist. Gregory of Nyssa, another prominent teacher of universalism, drafted the part of the Nicean creed dealing with the trinity. If eternal hell doctrine is so clearly taught in scripture as we have been told, where was the protest over these men even being allowed to attend the council, much less play major roles? If you look at the political and religious power struggles going on at Constantinople it is apparent that the doctrine of eternal hell was used to scare people and get them to submit to those who had control of the church, so they could hold their kingdom together.
The objection that "eternal punishment" and "eternal life" are used in parallel in Matthew 25:46, and therefore aionian must means eternal is based on a false presumption that the "aionian life" which is spoken of would have to come to an end at the same time that the "aionian" punishment does. The thing is, that as the "aion" during which the punishment takes place is coming to an end,DEATH WILL BE SWALLOWED UP BY LIFE! THE LAST ENEMY TO BE DESTROYED IS DEATH! So at that point there will be no more "aionian" life, it will be the same life as was lived in the "aion", but now it will continue outside of time. It will not end, it will just no longer pertain to an 'aion' or time period. There is no corresponding situation for punishment having it's opposite destroyed thus allowing it to continue outside of time.
As for Isaiah 66:24, it cannot be referring to eternity, as v.23 which is in the same context states that "from one new moon to another and from one sabbath to another all flesh shall to worship before Me, says the Lord." (Actually it says "from one new moon to IT'S next", meaning the same new moon one year later)Time is clearly still in view in this context. I also don't think we will be taking field trips out to look at burning and worm eaten bodies in eternity.

Resident: I cannot vouch for Jerome, his meaning or his wording. Words can indeed mean different things at different times, with different context and different people. Jerome is one, Christ may be another.
And Christ spoke (e.g. Matthew 25) of the "blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" and of the "cursed ... into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels ... these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
The verses are clearly parallel, so that eternal MUST mean the same for the blessed and the cursed.
Also, to pin this on one word is a common folly. There are quite a few verses in the gospel expressing the same idea in different words, e.g. "the worm never dies" - how do you turn never into "sometime in the future"?
Add to that the teaching of the church since the earliest days. But of course, some know-it-all flippig through pages will know it better! Your idea about "universal salvation" among church fathers is wrongheaded. There were some that believed in such things but they all went into trouble with it. Most did not.
So your attitude "If the Lord had wanted to communicate this" is not only arrogant towards him (he chose his words as he saw fit, not you) but also false: he did clearly communicate this.
You are also disrespectful towards the damned - it is one thing, as God does, to give them their just deserts, but quite another to simply blot them out from existence and pretend everything's fine.
Finally, you are also mistaken about time and the eternal life. Eternal life doesn't mean that there is no time just as it doesn't mean there is no space. The New Jerusalem will contain people body and soul living in space in time, with God in happiness for all eternity.
And that's probably what Jerome is after, distinguishing between this end-less but not time-less eternity and the God's eternity without such constraints, wihtout beginning or end.

Got Questions #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "Is annihilationism biblical?"

Answer: Annihilationism is the belief that unbelievers will not experience an eternity of suffering in hell, but will instead be “extinguished” after death. For many, annihilationism is an attractive belief because of the awfulness of the idea of people spending eternity in hell. While there are some passages that seem to argue for annihilationism, a comprehensive look at what the Bible says about the destiny of the wicked reveals the fact that punishment in hell is eternal. A belief in annihilationism results from a misunderstanding of one or more of the following doctrines: 1) the consequences of sin, 2) the justice of God, 3) the nature of hell.

In relation to the nature of hell, annihilationists misunderstand the meaning of the lake of fire. Obviously, if a human being were cast into a lake of burning lava, he/she would be almost instantly consumed. However, the lake of fire is both a physical and spiritual realm. It is not simply a human body being cast into the lake of fire; it is a human’s body, soul, and spirit. A spiritual nature cannot be consumed by physical fire. It seems that the unsaved are resurrected with a body prepared for eternity just as the saved are (Revelation 20:13; Acts 24:15). These bodies are prepared for an eternal fate.

Eternity is another aspect which annihilationists fail to fully comprehend. Annihilationists are correct that the Greek word aionion, which is usually translated “eternal,” does not by definition mean “eternal.” It specifically refers to an “age” or “eon,” a specific period of time. However, it is clear that in New Testament, aionion is sometimes used to refer to an eternal length of time. Revelation 20:10 speaks of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet being cast into the lake of fire and being tormented “day and night forever and ever.” It is clear that these three are not “extinguished” by being cast into the lake of fire. Why would the fate of the unsaved be any different (Revelation 20:14-15)? The most convincing evidence for the eternality of hell is Matthew 25:46, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” In this verse, the same Greek word is used to refer to the destiny of the wicked and the righteous. If the wicked are only tormented for an “age,” then the righteous will only experience life in heaven for an “age.” If believers will be in heaven forever, unbelievers will be in hell forever.

Another frequent objection to the eternality of hell by annihilationists is that it would be unjust for God to punish unbelievers in hell for eternity for a finite amount of sin. How could it be fair for God to take a person who lived a sinful, 70-year life, and punish him/her for all of eternity? The answer is that our sin bears an eternal consequence because it is committed against an eternal God. When King David committed the sins of adultery and murder he stated, “Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight” (Psalm 51:4). David had sinned against Bathsheba and Uriah; how could David claim to have only sinned against God? David understood that all sin is ultimately against God. God is an eternal and infinite Being. As a result, all sin against Him is worthy of an eternal punishment. It is not a matter of the length of time we sin, but the character of the God against whom we sin.

A more personal aspect of annihilationism is the idea that we could not possibly be happy in heaven if we knew that some of our loved ones were suffering an eternity of torment in hell. However, when we arrive in heaven, we will not have anything to complain about or be saddened by. Revelation 21:4 tells us, “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” If some of our loved ones are not in heaven, we will be in 100 percent complete agreement that they do not belong there and that they are condemned by their own refusal to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior (John 3:16; 14:6). It is hard to understand this, but we will not be saddened by the lack of their presence. Our focus should not be on how we can enjoy heaven without all of our loved ones there, but on how we can point our loved ones to faith in Christ so that they will be there.

Hell is perhaps a primary reason why God sent Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for our sins. Being “extinguished” after death is no fate to dread, but an eternity in hell most definitely is. Jesus’ death was an infinite death, paying our infinite sin debt so that we would not have to pay it in hell for eternity (2 Corinthians 5:21). When we place our faith in Him, we are saved, forgiven, cleansed, and promised an eternal home in heaven. But if we reject God’s gift of eternal life, we will face the eternal consequences of that decision.

Tommy Clayton #fundie gty.org

For the sake of clarity, I wasn’t defending God’s actions. He doesn’t need me to defend His actions. God’s not on trial here.

Let’s talk about you.

As a sinner, you are a thief, Steven. That’s a serious crime—certainly you’d agree if you’re the victim. What do thieves deserve? They deserve to be punished. How severe should the punishment be? That depends on the value of the item stolen and the authority of the one from whom it was taken. What should be clear to you—and to all who protest the severity of hell—is that to ask the thief what kind of punishment he deems appropriate is madness. But yet here you are, a glory thief, accusing God of injustice, claiming His punishment is atrocious.

Frankly, you don’t have the right to weigh in on that discussion. In court, when the gavel hits the desk, it’s all over. Once the prosecuting attorney establishes guilt, the criminal has nothing more to say. He certainly won’t be consulted to determine the severity of his sentence. The judge makes that decision independently.

What sentence do glory thieves deserve? Let’s ask the One you stole from—the righteous judge—what He thinks is a just sentence. God says those who steal His glory deserve hell.

You disagree. But there’s no appellate court here, Steven. Your thoughts on God’s punishment are—to state it bluntly—irrelevant. The evidence is in, the jury is out, the verdict is guilt, and the sentence is hell. What I hear in your comments is a handcuffed criminal protesting the judge’s sentence as they escort him away.

Steven, a review of all your comments in this series demonstrates a low view of Scripture and consequently, a low view of God, a high view of self, a distorted sense of justice, a twisted understanding of human sin, and a gross misunderstanding of the gospel.

My advice to you is to repent of your sins and ask for God’s forgiveness. He’s a merciful judge, Steven. It’s hard to kick against the goads, friend. Come to Christ, and find rest for your soul (Mt. 11:28-29).

Got Questions #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "How is eternity in hell a fair punishment for sin?"

Answer: This is an issue that bothers many people who have an incomplete understanding of three things: the nature of God, the nature of man, and the nature of sin. As fallen, sinful human beings, the nature of God is a difficult concept for us to grasp. We tend to see God as a kind, merciful Being whose love for us overrides and overshadows all His other attributes. Of course God is loving, kind, and merciful, but He is first and foremost a holy and righteous God. So holy is He that He cannot tolerate sin. He is a God whose anger burns against the wicked and disobedient (Isaiah 5:25; Hosea 8:5; Zechariah 10:3). He is not only a loving God—He is love itself! But the Bible also tells us that He hates all manner of sin (Proverbs 6:16-19). And while He is merciful, there are limits to His mercy. “Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon” (Isaiah 55:6-7).

Humanity is corrupted by sin, and that sin is always directly against God. When David sinned by committing adultery with Bathsheba and having Uriah murdered, he responded with an interesting prayer: “Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight…” (Psalm 51:4). Since David had sinned against Bathsheba and Uriah, how could he claim to have only sinned against God? David understood that all sin is ultimately against God. God is an eternal and infinite Being (Psalm 90:2). As a result, all sin requires an eternal punishment. God’s holy, perfect, and infinite character has been offended by our sin. Although to our finite minds our sin is limited in time, to God—who is outside of time—the sin He hates goes on and on. Our sin is eternally before Him and must be eternally punished in order to satisfy His holy justice.

No one understands this better than someone in hell. A perfect example is the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Both died, and the rich man went to hell while Lazarus went to paradise (Luke 16). Of course, the rich man was aware that his sins were only committed during his lifetime. But, interestingly, he never says, “How did I end up here?” That question is never asked in hell. He does not say, “Did I really deserve this? Don't you think this is a little extreme? A little over the top?” He only asks that someone go to his brothers who are still alive and warn them against his fate.

Like the rich man, every sinner in hell has a full realization that he deserves to be there. Each sinner has a fully informed, acutely aware, and sensitive conscience which, in hell, becomes his own tormenter. This is the experience of torture in hell—a person fully aware of his or her sin with a relentlessly accusing conscience, without relief for even one moment. The guilt of sin will produce shame and everlasting self-hatred. The rich man knew that eternal punishment for a lifetime of sins is justified and deserved. That is why he never protested or questioned being in hell.

The realities of eternal damnation, eternal hell, and eternal punishment are frightening and disturbing. But it is good that we might, indeed, be terrified. While this may sound grim, there is good news. God loves us (John 3:16) and wants us to be saved from hell (2 Peter 3:9). But because God is also just and righteous, He cannot allow our sin to go unpunished. Someone has to pay for it. In His great mercy and love, God provided His own payment for our sin. He sent His Son Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for our sins by dying on the cross for us. Jesus’ death was an infinite death because He is the infinite God/man, paying our infinite sin debt, so that we would not have to pay it in hell for eternity (2 Corinthians 5:21). If we confess our sin and place our faith in Christ, asking for God’s forgiveness based on Christ’s sacrifice, we are saved, forgiven, cleansed, and promised an eternal home in heaven. God loved us so much that He provided the means for our salvation, but if we reject His gift of eternal life, we will face the eternal consequences of that decision.

Old Man Montgomery #fundie oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com

[=Authors Note: For the sake of trimming, some of the Bible verses in the original page have been removed=]

From the website of ‘johnshore.com’

These were published and dated December 16, 2010. I have only recently become aware of this ‘movement’ via Facebook. (One never knows what one will find there.) These are referred to as the “Sixteen Tenets of ‘unfundamentalist Christians’ , known also or previously known as ‘ThruWay Christians’. Being the old-fashioned, hard-nosed Bible thumper that I am, I disagree with some facets of this and the conclusions of the entirety.

Of course I have reasons and those reasons are published below. Just for convenience, I numbered the statements, replacing what appeared in my copy as a paragraph ‘dot’.

Just for the record, as the article was dated December 16, 2010, it is entirely possible Mr. Shore has completely changed his mind and recanted this whole document. On the other hand, I just checked Mr. Shore’s last blog entry and he’s still pitching the “UnFund” theme.

Caution: If the reader is not a Christian believer, much of this discussion will seem pointless. Feel free to read on, but if you’re confused, don’t worry, it happens to lots of folks.

Here beings the tenets:

1. Jesus Christ was God incarnate. He performed miracles; as a means of providing for the irrevocable reconciliation of humankind to God he sacrificed himself on the cross; he rose from the dead; he left behind for the benefit of all people the totality of himself in the form of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

So far, I’m in agreement. Jesus is God incarnate; the ‘Son’ who is God Himself. Jesus was executed and killed (no alternatives) on a Roman cross under Roman law. Jesus’ death was the final sacrifice needed to atone for the sin of all people who appeal to Him for forgiveness. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day showing Himself to be God and giving a promise to all of an Eternal life in Heaven with Him. He sent the Third Person of the Godhead, the ‘Holy Spirit’ to believers after His ascension.

2. Christ and Christianity are meant to be understood, appreciated, and experienced as galvanizing inspirations for living a life of love, compassion, fairness, peace, and humility. Period.

Now we’re disagreeing. The primary purpose and function of Christianity is to repair the breach between God and mankind due to mankind’s rebellion and disobedience. Being forgiven by Jesus and redeemed by His sacrifice, mankind can have a direct and proper relationship with God. The qualities of love, compassion, fairness, peace and humility are by-products of that proper relationship, not the primary aim.

Am I splitting hairs here? Not as much as one might think; the matter becomes clearer as we proceed.

3. The Bible is a collection of a great many separate documents written by different people in different languages over thousands of years. Properly understanding both the letter and spirit of the Bible necessarily entails taking into account the historical and cultural contexts that so greatly inform so much of its text. The size, density, history and complexity of the Bible render unfeasible the idea that not one of its words reflects more man’s will than God’s. The spirit of God is inerrant; people—even those impassioned by the conviction that God is speaking directly to or through them—are not.

The one starts out well and descends into heresy. The Bible was written over a period of approximately 1500 years. The Books of Moses, the Torah – sometimes Pentateuch, was written in the period between the Exodus from Egypt, around 1400 B. C. to the time of the Babylonian Captivity, around 600 to 530 B. C. (give or take a decade or so.) The book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle was written around 90 A. D. The rest was written somewhere in between, with the possible exception of Job. Job was one of the earliest sections written and may predate Moses. The Bible was assuredly written by at least forty different authors. (For instance, the books of Judges, Kings and Chronicles were written over periods of time and one author could not have written them all; they require accounts from events several hundred years apart. The Torah was more than likely written by a number of scribes with Moses or a later, Babylonian scholar as ‘editor’ and having final input. Genesis is obviously based on oral traditions of the Israelite nation.) The books reflect social conventions and cultural coloring of the times involved.

However, it is the message of Almighty God to humanity. No matter how much a human can foul up, the integrity of the message is based on God’s ability to ensure His message is properly passed on. No human can foul up or outright lie good enough to defeat God’s purpose. So as much as mankind wrote the words on paper (papyrus or whatever), the ‘Word’ (Greek ‘logos’, meaning idea, identity or concept) is that of God. As such, it is inerrant in message.

The idea of the Bible being ‘written by man and therefore possibly distorted’ is an old heresy. It was argued about in the earliest councils trying to settle on the ‘Bible’ and is the basis for several cults who claim to be Christian, but rely on teachings of extra Biblical origin. The heresy also finds much favor among those who wish to discredit any one particular facet of Christian doctrine. Under any version, the idea the Bible isn’t correct means either God really doesn’t care about the message or God is incapable of protecting His own plan. Christians cannot in good faith (no pun intended) accept either alternative.

4. Anyone seeking to mix church and state has failed to understand the nature and proper role of either. Belief that all people are created equal and are deserving of equal protection under the law is foundational to all modern democratic nations. To incorporate the inherently exclusionary imperatives of a particular religion into the determinedly inclusive system of democracy would be to undermine the very spirit of democracy by pushing it toward a theocracy.

This is a pretty silly statement and is highly ignorant of history. The ‘foundational’ belief of people being created equal and deserving equal protection under law is uniquely derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition. It is not found in Islam, Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism or any of the other ‘religions’ of the world. It is Christianity that fostered Democracy, not Democracy that fostered Christianity.

Additionally, it was Christian believers and supporters who founded the United States as a nation with no state religion. The United States was not founded as a ‘Christian nation’, but was indeed begun as a ‘nation of Christians’. To pretend otherwise is to ignore history and to invite serious question as to the point of the discussion. One must also note that all movements to ‘remove’ the influence of Christianity from the United States and civil laws result in the promotion of either Secular Humanism or Islam.

There are no moral vacuums.

5. It’s not possible to read Paul’s New Testament writings and remain unmoved by his open heart, intellectual prowess, and staggering bravery. And yet Paul (who, after all, spent years zealously persecuting and having executed untold numbers of Christians) must remain to us a mortal man. More than reasonable, it is incumbent upon those who claim to seek the deepest knowledge of Christ to subject the words of Paul to the same kinds of objective analysis we would the words of any man daring to describe the qualities, purposes, and desires of God.

This is a gentle, lofty and seemingly reasonable attempt to undermine the message presented by God through Paul the Apostle. What this statement does is deny the Divine inspiration and authorship of the Bible as a whole. It returns to the fore in a moment with more of the ‘villify Paul’ agenda.

6. With regards to the written identity of God, the pronoun “he” is a necessity of the English language, not an actual anatomical designation. God is neither male nor female; God contains all of both.

Again, agreement. In Hebrew, just as in English, the male pronoun unless specifically intended refers to both male and female. Jesus says (John 4:23 and 24)“But a time is coming – and now is here – when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such people to be his worshipers. God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” Also one notes in Genesis (chapter one, verses 26 and 27)
“Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth.”
God created humankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them,
male and female he created them.

So, both male and female were (still are, more or less, being distorted from the original model by mankind’s disobedience) created in God’s image; which manifestly means not a physical image, but a mental and spiritual image.

7. The Biblical scholarship supporting the idea that Paul never wrote a word proscribing natural homosexuality is at least as credible and persuasive as the scholarship (if not typical Bible translations) claiming that he did. Any person who uses the words of Paul in the New Testament to “prove” that homosexuality is a sin against God has either never themselves researched the matter, or has simply chosen to believe one set of equal proofs over another. Though laziness is easily enough understood, we remain mystified as to why anyone who purports to follow Jesus would choose to condemn an entire population over choosing to obey Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself.

Here’s the follow up to point 5. Once Paul is ‘questionable’, the condemnation of homosexuality can be dismissed as a personal quirk, or possibly an outright error on the part of Christianity (on the whole).

Here’s the premise of the tenet: Paul either really didn’t mean what he wrote about the practice of homosexuality despite what is clearly written in the original Greek manuscripts and all subsequent translations of the Bible, or Paul was mistaken and therefore not inspired by God. What an amazing statement.

Either God inspired and authored the Bible or not. If one chooses to deny God’s inspiration in part, then the whole becomes suspect. If God was lax in allowing Paul to write and publish errors, then what of the rest of the Bible is trustworthy? Conversely, if God did in fact inspire and author the Bible, then Paul’s writing is equally trustworthy.

Leviticus 18
This entire section (several chapters) deals with sexual sins and prohibitions. In part (I have inserted whole paragraphs to present an in context view):
19 You must not approach a woman in her menstrual impurity to have sexual intercourse with her. 20 You must not have sexual intercourse with the wife of your fellow citizen to become unclean with her. 21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, so that you do not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord! 22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act. 23 You must not have sexual intercourse with any animal to become defiled with it, and a woman must not stand before an animal to have sexual intercourse with it; it is a perversion.
Leviticus 20
9 “‘If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He has cursed his
father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself. 10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father’s wife, he has exposed his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood guilt is on themselves. 13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no lewdness in your midst. 15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.

These two passages are from the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. One can argue these are part of the Jewish or Mosaic Law and are therefore obsolete; in that case, general adultery, incest and bestiality are also permitted along with homosexual conduct. Or is that the point?

First Timothy 1 (written by that suspect Paul fellow)

8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately, 9 realizing that law is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, perjurers – in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching. 11 This accords with the glorious gospel of the blessed God that was entrusted to me.

There is a note on the phrase ‘practicing homosexuals’ in verse 10 from the NET Bible: “…this term… ??se?????t?? states, “a male who engages in sexual activity w. a pers. of his own sex, pederast 1 Cor 6:9…of one who assumes the dominant role in same-sex activity, opp. µa?a???…1 Ti 1:10; Pol 5:3. Cp. Ro 1:27.” L&N 88.280 states, “a male partner in homosexual intercourse – ‘homosexual.’…It is possible that ??se?????t?? in certain contexts refers to the active male partner in homosexual intercourse in contrast with µa?a???, the passive male partner” (cf. 1 Cor 6:9). Since there is a distinction in contemporary usage between sexual orientation and actual behavior, the qualification “practicing” was supplied in the translation…”

First Corinthians 6 (also written by that questionable Paul)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This last passage strikes me an illuminating. Homosexuals are included in a list of sin categories which include heterosexual sexual sinners, idolaters, adulterers (distinct from ‘sexually immoral heterosexuals), thieves, greedy, drunkards, verbally abusive and swindlers. The phrase ‘verbally abusive’ is rather interesting. The NIV translates it as ‘slanderers’; I think ‘gossips’ might easily fit into the meaning. At any rate, people who say nasty things about others are lumped in with murderers, thieves and the sexually immoral (of any type).

The last verse in the paragraph implies a change of life in those reading the letter. “Some of you … lived… But you were washed… sanctified… justified…” So they were not just forgiven and allowed to continue; they changed their values and life-styles. The same implication applies to the sexually impure; they don’t do that sort of thing anymore; they avoid that sort of thing; they are ashamed of and denounce their own past behavior.

Therefore, the Old Testament writings prohibited homosexual conduct as does the writings of Paul, therefore the New Testament. The words used really do mean homosexual conduct and not just the generic ‘sexual misconduct’.

I’m really curious about the ‘equal scholarship’ which demonstrates what the Bible says isn’t what it means. I’d like to examine the line of thought and arguments.

The statement “…Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself” is incorrect and sloppy scholarship.

Matthew 22:
35 And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked him a question to test him: 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 Jesus 44 said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

This tenet goes past ‘unfundamentalism’ and is squarely non-Christian.

8. It is much more reasonable—and certainly more compassionate—to hold that throughout history God chose to introduce himself in different ways into different cultural streams than it is to believe that there is only one correct way to understand and worship God, and that the punishment for anyone who chooses any but that way is to spend all of eternity having the living flesh seared off of his or her bones.

More reasonable? By who’s standard? As a Christian, the only viewpoint that counts is God’s viewpoint. That ‘viewpoint’ is expressed in the Bible, which is – as noted prior – God’s message to humanity.

More compassionate? To whom? Not to mention under what definition of ‘compassion’? I find no compassion in patting someone in error on the head and say comforting words while allowing them to remain in error at the risk of Eternal Death.

So let’s go along with the idea of God introducing Himself into different cultural streams in different ways. Why would introduce Himself in a totally different manner if He’s the same, Eternal God? For instance, in the sub-continent which is now India, why would God decide not to be the Eternal God of Creation of the Jewish people, but instead be represented by a pantheon of conflicting gods which change over time? Why would Almighty God manifest Himself as the volcano god, demanding virgin sacrifices? Would God happily change Himself into the Great Green Arkleseizure of Viltvodle VI?

Is He still God? Is He bored and just experimenting? Can He not remember who He is, from epoch to epoch?

The idea appeals to the ‘open-minded’ who have no ideas about who God is, or what He should be or do. The concept flies in the face of the ultimate creator of the Universe and all things that exist, who is Eternal and changeless, who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. In other words, God.

Again, not just ‘unfundamentalist’, but not very good thinking and doctrinally non Christian.

9. “No one comes to the Father except through me” does not mean that in the afterlife only Christians can get into heaven. It means that Jesus/God decides who does and doesn’t make it in.

From this one is forced to believe Jesus will not judge between those who accept Him and those who don’t, but instead will judge by ad hoc rules of ‘good behavior’. I say ‘ad hoc’ because no such rules are outlined in the Bible.

All that stuff about believing in the Son and relying on Him in tenet 1 are out the window, then? It is good deeds that really make the difference?

This heresy is remarkably old as well. It predates Christianity, in fact.

Jesus mentioned this concept in Matthew Seven, starting with verse 15:
15 “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
24 “Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!”
So then, what about “… the one who does the will of my Father in heaven…”? John 15, starting with verse nine makes it clear:
9 “Just as the Father has loved me, I have also loved you; remain in my love. 10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. 11 I have told you these things so that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be complete.”

Nowhere in the Bible, nowhere in the quotations of Jesus, nowhere in the letters of the various apostles and elders in Jerusalem is any such doctrine mentioned or taught. In one setting (John 10:14-18), Jesus says,
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me – 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father – and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and one shepherd. 17 This is why the Father loves me – because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

Verse 16 is often used to ‘prove’ the heresy of various versions of God and or Jesus running about in human history, showing up in various forms and guises. One fellow seriously suggested it could indicate the existence of extra-terrestrial life. Actually, the statement simply indicates non-Jewish people were included. That’s all.

I personally don’t have any problem with extra-terrestrial life, or any of them being in Heaven. But it will be on the basis of an individual relationship with Jesus Christ.

I am also firmly convinced all the inhabitants of planet Earth will have adequate notice of the person and Deity of Jesus Christ. God is not the sort of being who looks for tiny excuses and ‘foot-faults’ to disqualify anyone from Heaven.

10. The question of whether or not hell is real is properly subsumed by the truth that a moment spent worrying if you’ll be with God in the afterlife is an opportunity missed to be with God in this life.

I agree. There is no point of wondering, let alone worrying, if Hell is real. Jesus talks about it too much to be in doubt. It isn’t pleasant, but it’s there. One is obliged to take note and do something to avoid residence.

11. God’s will and intention is to forgive and teach us, not to judge and punish us.

That is true, but only to a qualified extent. Jesus came to Earth as a mortal man to tell us what to do to avoid Eternal punishment and die in our place to pay the price for our sin. Obviously, God the Father was in on this plan as was the Holy Spirit.

God really does not want anyone to spend Eternity in Hell. However, since all mankind is in the default position of being in rebellion against God, mankind is by default condemned to Eternal Hell.

The words of Jesus in John, chapter three:
16 For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.
God is loving and concerned. God is simultaneously honest and just. God is God and that means – in a long list of other things – He will always conduct Himself as God and be true to His own nature.

There are also a number of references warning that when Jesus returns – ‘The Second Coming’ – He will in fact judge all people according to their alliances.

12. The only person who should be actively endeavoring to convert non-Christians into Christians is God. Jesus does not need our help drawing people towards him. He does need, or could certainly use, our help in making sure that people know that they are, just as they are, loved.

This statement directly contradicts the command of Jesus.

Matthew 28:16-20
16 So the eleven disciples went to Galilee to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age

Acts 1
6 So when they had gathered together, they began to ask him, “Lord, is this the time when you are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He told them, “You are not permitted to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.” 9 After he had said this, while they were watching, he was lifted up and a cloud hid him from their sight.

First Peter 3
15 But set Christ apart as Lord in your hearts and always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. (“Hope” here meaning the expectation of Eternal life with God.)

So in this statement again, the concept is not ‘un-fundamentalist’ but ‘un-Christian’.

13. Getting a divorce is painful, and if at all possible should certainly be avoided. But ultimately the act in and of itself is not immoral.

This statement flatly contradicts Jesus’ teaching on the subject.

Matthew 5
31 “It was said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a legal document.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19
3 Then some Pharisees came to him in order to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful to divorce a wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 Jesus said to them, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hard hearts, but from the beginning it was not this way. 9 Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery.” 10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the case of a husband with a wife, it is better not to marry!”11 He said to them, “Not everyone can accept this statement, except those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are some eunuchs who were that way from birth, and some who were made eunuchs by others, and some who became eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who is able to accept this should accept it.”

So yes, Jesus said divorce is an immoral act, save for the cause of adultery. Even then, the divorced man or woman is limited in options.

14. God does not want any woman “submitting” to anyone.

Another direct contradiction of Biblical teaching.

Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord, 23 because the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church – he himself being the savior of the body. 24 But as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her 26 to sanctify her by cleansing her with the washing of the water by the word, 27 so that he may present the church to himself as glorious – not having a stain or wrinkle, or any such blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In the same way husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

Colossians 3
18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them.

Oh, wait! That’s that questionable Paul again! Since Paul is so very questionable, we can ignore much of his writings – especially the parts about moral conduct, sexual misconduct and general carryings-on.

First Peter 3
1 In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, 2 when they see your pure and reverent conduct… like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. 7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

That’s the summation of Peter the Apostle. He agrees with Paul the suspect.

15. There were no dinosaurs on Noah’s ark; Jesus didn’t have a pet stegosaurus. An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.

Whooop! Whooop! Whooop! Strawman Alert!
So, just where do we find claims of dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark? Which gospel contains the story of Jesus and His pet stegosaurus? What kind of hairball ploy is this?

Okay, “An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.” That part is reasonable enough. However, this isn’t a matter of doctrinal distinction; it’s a matter of textual examination.

Dinosaurs on the Ark? Sheesh.

16. The single most telling indicator of a person’s moral character has nothing to do with how they define or worship God, and everything to do with how they treat others.

So, a relationship with God isn’t important; what is important is ‘good deeds’.

Actually, this is a deceptive argument; somewhat strawman in nature. I’ll agree one’s ‘moral character’ is not always dependent on how one defines or worships God. However, one’s moral character has nothing to do with one’s Eternal estate, being in a proper relationship with God and spending Eternity with God in Heaven.

One can be a rotten skunk and be bound for Heaven, or a very decent, clean, honest and honorable person going to Hell.

I know for a fact that my moral character was – for that matter ‘is’ – not always as good and shining as it ought to be. After becoming a Christian, I have sinned grievously, often and cheerfully. But my eternal destination is already secure and in Jesus’ care. As far as God is concerned in Judgment, I am as pure as Jesus.

Which is not to say I’m content in my life that way, or at peace with God. I found I was a jittery, angry, depressed, unsettled maniac; at least some combination of two or three of those. I can hide it well, but it’s there and I am very aware of it.

What happens is this: God works on me to make me into who – the type of person – He wants me to be, fit for Heaven in Eternity.

To conclude:

“Un-fundamentalists” accept the Deity, Sacrifice, Resurrection and Redemptive nature and power of Jesus Christ. However, they also believe God has appeared in other forms and guises, seemingly revealing other versions of Himself. So Jesus really isn’t uniquely God at all.

“Un-fundamentalists” deny the Divinely Inspired nature of the Bible, strip Paul’s writing of authority and accept homosexual misconduct – and by inference, heterosexual misconduct – as both normal and moral.

“Un-fundamentalists” claim the goal of Christianity is to live a good life; ‘good’ being defined by not offending anyone, getting along with all and ignoring Biblical principles if adherence would cause a row.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe Christians should not vote in accordance with Biblical principles. Nor should laws follow the long held traditions of either Judaism or Christianity.

“Un-fundamentalists” do not assume responsibility for evangelism; in fact, evangelism is discouraged.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe God never criticizes or judges human conduct. They believe there is no Hell. After all, God isn’t going to punish anyone for anything anyway.

All things considered, “Un-fundamentalist Christian” is not a properly descriptive phrase. Citing the serious theological and doctrinal differences between this cult and mainstream Christianity, I would suggest perhaps “Nearly Christian” would be a better description. Since the first tenet does recognize Jesus as God, perhaps “Barely Christian” would do.

Now, I know some bright soul is going to jump on me with the Biblical injunction of “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. The statement comes in Matthew 7, starting with the beginning of the chapter. The whole paragraph reads as follows:

1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. 3 Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? 5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces.

This whole speech is addressed at being judgmental of other people in regard to their fitness or standing before God. I am not ‘judging’ any person, but a set of beliefs and how they measure up to Christianity, I am not violating any injunction. Indeed, I am following a warning given by John the Revelator in First John 4:

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

So I am testing this ‘spirit’, this claim of revelation of God. I find interesting that tenet 1 claims to recognize Jesus as the Son of God in the Flesh, and then denies Jesus’ Deity in most of the subsequent tenets.

Photos for Souls #fundie photosforsouls.com

Is Punishment In Hell Eternal ?
           
There are some things that the Bible teaches that I absolutely love, such as how much God loves us.  There are other things that I actually wish were not there, but my study of Scripture has convinced me that, If I am going to be completely honest in how I handle Scripture, I have to believe it teaches that the lost will suffer eternal torment in Hell.

Those who would question the idea of eternal torment in Hell will often say that the words used to describe the duration of the torment do not exactly mean eternal.  And while this is true, that the Greek of New Testament times did not have and use a word exactly equivalent to our word eternal, the writers of the New Testament used the words available to them to describe both how long we will live with God and how long the ungodly will suffer in Hell. 

Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”  The same words translated eternal are used to describe God in Romans 16:26 and the Holy Spirit in Hebrews 9:14.  2 Corinthians 4:17&18 helps us understand what the Greek words translated “eternal” really mean.  It says, “For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.  So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.”Mark 9:48b “It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.”  Jude 13c “For whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.” 

Revelation 14:10b&11 “They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.  And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever.  There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”  All these passages indicate something that does not end.Perhaps the strongest indication that punishment in Hell is eternal is found in Revelation chapters 19&20.  In Revelation 19:20 we read that the beast and the false prophet (both human beings) “were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.” 

After that it says in Revelation 20:1-6 that Christ reigns for a thousand years.  During those thousand years Satan is locked up in the Abyss but Revelation 20:7 says, “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.”  After he makes a final attempt to defeat God we read in Revelation 20:10, “And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown.  They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”  The word “they” includes the beast and the false prophet who have already been there for a thousand years.

Sam Storms #fundie crosswalk.com

8 Huge Myths about Hell

The reality of hell and eternal punishment is not a popular topic, even among Christians. Part of the problem is that the nature of hell has been horribly distorted in our culture and portrayed as an experience that is far from what we read in the NT. When I’m asked why I believe in hell, my response is three-fold.
First, I have such unshakable and robust confidence in the inerrant truth of every word in the Bible that the matter is already settled before I even read the text. I believe, as the Apostle Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:16, that “all Scripture [even texts such as Revelation 14:9-11] is breathed out by God and [is] profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.”
Second, by God’s grace I have come to understand, at least to some degree, the immeasurable magnitude and majesty of God’s holiness and beauty and authority and the honor that is due to him from all of his creatures, including you and me.
Third, again by God’s grace I have come to understand the immeasurable horror and ugliness and self-centeredness of humanity’s sin and depravity and wickedness.

If hell strikes you as unreasonable or unfair...

So I can honestly say that to the degree that you and I struggle with the concept of hell and eternal punishment is the degree to which we don’t understand God’s holiness and honor, on the one hand, or the horror and depravity of mankind’s sin, on the other. In other words, if hell strikes you as unreasonable or unfair or disproportionate, it can only be due to the fact that either you don’t believe the Bible is inspired and true, or you don’t believe that God is infinitely holy and just, or you don’t believe that mankind is morally depraved and has committed cosmic treason and is thus deserving of eternal condemnation.
As noted, contributing to the problem of hell are the numerous myths or false beliefs that surround it.
Here are eight of them:

Myth #1: Hell is a place to be united with unbelievers.

There is widespread belief among non-Christians that hell is a place where they will be united with their unbelieving friends and drink beer all the time in an endless party. The fact is that hell is a place of utter isolation, loneliness, and deprivation.

Myth #2: Hell is a place where Satan and his demons reign.

Another false belief is that hell is the place where Satan and his demons exercise their authority to rule and reign. The fact is that hell is the place where Satan and his demons suffer eternal punishment. Satan and his demons are inmates in hell, not its warden or guards. See Matthew 25:41 for one clear statement to that effect:
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Myth #3: Satan and his demons will torment human beings in hell.

Directly related to the previous myth, there is the notion among many that in hell Satan and his demons torment human beings who also are there. No. There is not one text in the Bible that suggests Satan and his demons afflict or torment human beings. They themselves, instead, are the object of God’s punishment. There have been numerous books written by people who claim to have visited hell in which they describe a scene where demons are tormenting humans who have been consigned there. This should be the first indication to all careful, Bible-believing readers that such an experience is fabricated.

Myth #4: There are people in hell who want to reconcile with God.

Yet another misconception is that there are people in hell crying out for mercy who want to reconcile with God. Nothing in Scripture indicates this is so. Instead, those in hell are eternally defiant of God and hate him all the more with each passing moment.

Myth #5: There are people in hell who don't deserve to be there.

One of the more blasphemous notions about hell is that there are people in hell who don’t deserve to be there. Nothing could be farther from the truth. God’s justice is impeccable and he never consigns anyone to punishment in hell who does not fully deserve to suffer there.

Myth #6: There are people in hell who wanted to go to heaven.

A related myth is the notion that there are people in hell who wanted to go to heaven while they were still alive, but God wouldn’t let them. That is utterly false. Jesus himself made this clear when he said, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. . . . whoever comes to me I will never cast out . . . . For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:35, John 6:37b, John 6:40).

Myth #7: Hell holds people who will one day be released.

A seventh myth is that there are people in hell who will eventually be released and granted entrance into heaven. As much as we might wish this were true, it isn’t. The Bible does not teach the doctrine of universalism, that is, the idea that everyone will eventually be saved and given eternal life in the new heaven and new earth.

Myth #8: In hell, people will be rid of God.

Finally, there is the myth that in hell people will be rid of God and have no experience of him. That is not true. It is true they will have no experience of God’s loving and gracious presence, but they will most assuredly experience his presence in justice and wrath. In fact, we read in Revelation 14:10 that they will be tormented “in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb,” that is, in the presence of Jesus Christ. As John Piper has said, Revelation 14:10is not saying that “those in hell have the privilege of seeing what they enjoy, but that they have the remorse of seeing what they rejected.”

Hell should provoke anguish and urgency.

I’ll conclude with two brief observations. First, I can’t read biblical portrayals of hell and eternal punishment or think about it without feeling a deep and unrelenting agony in my heart. We should never talk about hell without weeping, for it is real and people are going there. This is not a subject for joking or lighthearted banter. It is an issue that should provoke within us both anguish and an urgent commitment to share the gospel with those who remain in unbelief.

Hell should provoke unfathomable gratitude.

My second reaction is one of unfathomable gratitude. When I read about hell in a passage like Revelation 14:9-11 I’m reading about what I deserve. God would have been perfectly just and righteous had he chosen to consign me to eternal torment. But in mercy he has drawn me to faith in his Son. In mercy he has poured out his wrath on Jesus in my place, a wrath and judgment that Jesus lovingly and willingly embraced and endured. Every single one of us deserves damnation. God owes us nothing but justice. The fact that he has given us mercy instead, and forgiveness instead of condemnation, ought to awaken in us the most heartfelt and passionate gratitude and praise.

Kent Hovind #fundie cseblogs.com

[Reasons why Kent Hovind thinks he was sent to prison, except the obvious one of course]

God may have sent me to prison:
*To reach people here that need the gospel (Acts 8:26, Phillipians 4:22).
*To be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-14).
*To prepare me for greater future use in the creation science ministry.
*To help prepare someone else for future use (Genesis 50:20).
*To give me a taste of the coming New World Order to enhance my preaching.
*To help motivate others to Christian service.
*To better understand the multitude of people in jail. Since over two million Americans are currently incarcerated (the highest per capita in the world!) God may have wanted to open my eyes to the great injustices being done and to let me, like Ezekiel, see the plight of these people in order that I might more effectively minister to them.
*To be an advocate of returning to more Biblical forms of punishment. When the judge ordered punishment in the Bible, the judge himself had to witness the punishment. Few judges today ever actually see the consequences of the sentences that they hand down to the offender and his family. Maybe all judges should be required to visit both the ones that they incarcerate and his family several times each year?
*To understand the trial of faith that comes from taking a stand for righteous issues as Daniel did concerning eating meats.
*To understand the consequences of taking a stand on issues that were right, but could cause a weaker brother to stumble.

Above all, God is still in charge. I willingly submit to this chapter of my life in order that I may become a more profitable servant for HIS glory.

Tommy Clayton #fundie gty.org

Nearly fifty years ago, the British agnostic Bertrand Russell penned these words: “There is one very serious defect to my mind in Christ’s moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment” (Bertrand Russell, Why I Am Not a Christian).

Philosopher John Hick echoed those sentiments when he called hell “a perversion of the Christian gospel.” He believed the doctrine of hell attributed to God “an unappeasable vindictiveness and insatiable cruelty.”

We expect statements like that from fallen, unregenerate minds. But what do we do when we hear similar things from prominent, professing evangelical writers? “How can Christians possibly project a deity of such cruelty and vindictiveness whose ways include inflicting everlasting torture upon his creatures, however sinful they may have been? Surely a God who would do such a thing is more nearly like Satan than like God . . .” (Clark H. Pinnock, “The Destruction of the Finally Impenitent”).

It’s become popular today for professing evangelicals to join the ranks of Pinnock, atheists, and agnostics in protesting the doctrine of hell. They are preaching sermons, writing articles, and publishing books, and some are wandering into the comment threads of Christian blogs. Here’s a small sampling from Grace To You’s blog in our recent series on hell:

“What kind of God torments people for all eternity?”
“. . . Satan loves the false doctrine of eternal torment”
“[eternal torment is] cruel and unusual punishment”
“[eternal torment] makes God out to be a cruel tyrant,” “absolutely cruel and malevolent”
“How can you in your right minds even consider this to be justice?”
If the doctrine of hell as eternal, conscious torment hadn’t been the position of the Christian church for two millennia, it might be easy to think we’re seriously out of step—a bunch of mindless minions who worship a monster-god! But when you examine the biblical evidence, without an agenda, you’ll find we sound a lot like Jesus and the apostles.

So, how could someone who claims to be faithful to Scripture ridicule the idea of eternal punishment? What is at the heart of their rejection of a never-ending hell? It’s simple, really—they minimize the seriousness of human sin and guilt, and they distort the perfection of divine justice. That’s the crime of Protestant Liberalism and every false religion.

Minimizing the Sinfulness of Sin

To one degree or another, we’re all guilty of minimizing sin. I remember the first time I read the account of Lot’s wife. God turned her into a pillar of salt as she was leaving Sodom. Her crime? A backward glance (Genesis 19:26). Reading that story as an unbeliever provoked me to ask the question: “Was that really an offense worthy of death—turning your neck to take one final look at your home?” As I explored more of the Bible, other accounts of God’s judgment appeared equally capricious and severe to me.

Nadab and Abihu deviated from the priestly procedures. God consumed them with fire (Leviticus 10:1-2).
One man gathered wood on the Sabbath. God commanded Moses to stone him (Numbers 15:35).
Achan took a few forbidden items from the spoils of Jericho. God commanded Joshua to stone and then burn Achan along with his entire family (Joshua 7:24-25).
Uzzah kept the ark of God from falling into the mud by reaching out his hand and taking hold of it. God immediately struck him dead (2 Samuel 6:6-7).
Ananias and Sapphira lied to the apostles. God killed them both in front of the entire church. (Acts 5:1-10).
We often struggle to understand how something seemingly so trivial could enact such a severe judgment. Our flesh wants to cry out in protest, “That’s not fair!” But responses like that reveal our failure to grasp the depth of sin. We see only actions—a devoted father gathering firewood to keep his family warm; a zealous Israelite anxious to keep the Ark of God off the ground—but God sees things differently, more clearly, than we do. He sees our sin as insurrection, rebellion against His holiness (Exodus 31:14; Numbers 4:15). What’s more, He sees the hidden motives and intentions at the core of our actions (Matthew 5:28; Hebrews 4:12).

One of the most basic tenets of justice is that the punishment must fit the crime. So, if the ultimate punishment for those who die without Christ is hell, then what is the crime? What do men do to merit the eternal sentence of hell? Put plainly, they sin.

You may think that’s a small thing, but the way John MacArthur explains sin, it puts it in its proper perspective. Essentially, sin is “an act of treason against the Sovereign lawgiver and judge of the universe.” The Bible describes our sin as “rebellion,” “ungodliness,” “lawlessness,” “wickedness,” and an “abomination” (Leviticus 26:27; Isaiah 32:6; 1 John 3:4; Ezekiel 18:27; Proverbs 15:9). Sinners then, are traitors, refusing to love, thank, serve, and obey the God who gave them life, breath, and every good thing.

Sinners spurn God’s love, despise His sovereignty, mock His justice, and view His commands with contempt. They are thieves and murderers, stealing God’s glory and assaulting His holiness. In fact, as Martin Luther once remarked, if sinners had their way, they would dethrone and murder God, which is exactly what they did at Calvary (Acts 2:23). Viewed through the lens of Scripture, sin appears exceedingly sinful (Romans 7:13).

I find it ironic that those who protest the idea of eternal, conscious torment deride the doctrine with words like, “cruel,” “morally revolting,” “monstrous,” and “repugnant.” Why don’t they employ the same terms of outrage to describe sin? Simple: they fail to see as God sees. God finds our sin “cruel,” “morally revolting,” “monstrous,” and “repugnant,” and He’s absolutely right. If we can’t see our sin as God sees it, it stands to reason that we don’t see the just judgment of hell like He sees it either. We’re just going to have to trust Him.

Divine Justice

People who reject the doctrine of eternal hell also stumble over the justice of God. It seems unjust of God to cast someone into a lake of eternal fire for thirty years of sin. Is sin really that bad?

Yes, it is. In fact, you readily accept that there are escalating levels in the seriousness of offenses. For example, if you punch your neighbor, he may punch you back, slash your tires, or even report you to the police. If you assault your boss, he’ll fire you. If you strike a policeman, you’re in danger of getting tased, pepper-sprayed (or worse), and you’re definitely going to jail. Take it up a notch: if you even attempt to assault the President of the United States, you’re going to prison for a long, long time. And if you try those shenanigans with any other head of state, you’ll probably be executed.

Clearly, we live by an established principle—the seriousness of a crime is measured not only by its inherent nature, but also by the one offended. Furthermore, we readily accept the escalation of punishment, based on the status and position of the one offended. If that makes sense on a human level, why are we tempted to ignore the status and position of God? If we live by that principle on a horizontal level, why not on a vertical level?

Our sins have offended an infinitely glorious and holy Being, and punishment must correspond to that offense. God will by no means acquit the wicked (Exodus 34:6-7). He will give the unbeliever exactly what he deserves. Isaiah said “Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him, for what he deserves will be done to him” (Isaiah 3:11). God warned the children of Israel: “If you do not obey Me, but act with hostility against Me, then I will act with wrathful hostility against you, and I, even I, will punish you seven times for your sins” (Leviticus 26:27-28).

The righteous Judge of all the earth will one day rise up and call every creature into account (Genesis 18:25; Hebrews 9:27; 1 Peter 4:5). He will open the books and mete out a just sentence for every sinful thought, word, and deed (Romans 2:5; Revelation 20:13).

We’ve all assaulted God (Romans 3:23), and we all deserve hell. Reject Christ, and hell is exactly what you’ll get. God will rise up in judgment and cast all unbelievers into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14), and all creation will praise His justice. To accuse God of injustice for sentencing sinners to hell is the height of arrogance and audacity.

Yes, God’s judgment is unbearable, but it is never unjust (Genesis 4:13). And that is why “it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God” (Hebrews 10:31).

Original Playwrite Unknown #fundie bible-truths.com

(=Note: I am not sure if this is a fundie qoute in on itself but it is a description/review of a popular fundie play taken from a Christian Universalist blogging site, but even then they express extreme views=)

Heaven's Gates, Hell's Flames - Maybe the most satanic play ever

Have you ever heard of the play "Heaven's Gates, Hell's Flames"? I have never, ever withnessed such blasphemy what I withnessed about half a year ago! I had no idea that the tradition of middle-ages still lives so strong!

In the beginning of the drama, Jesus is crucified. Then the play shows us different people, who die during the play and are accepted to heaven or sent to hell depending on if their name was on the Book of
Life.

The thing which angered me most was that how the play was emphasizing hell and the eternal torment. Those, who have not reached the True Gospel are probably in great distress. I, although I know that God will not torture anyone for eternity, but chastens and makes everyone learn righteousness, I felt myself very, very uncomfortable. I don't remember last time when I have felt so terrible.

The play went on about an hour and during that hour the Satan took many souls into the depths of hell, where they shall be burning eternally.

In the play, Satan was portrayed as the master of hell and torture which is totally unscriptural, because Bible tells us that Satan will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and he does not rule it! Even the actor who played Satan admitted to me after the show that it is God's
hell, not Satan's (but still he took part of the play KNOWING that it wasn't actually scriptural!)

Immediatly after the play, when the play has scared the hell into the people (pun intended), the show's director climbs to stage and tells people to come and take Christ to their lives.

There is nothing wrong with taking Christ to your life, but these poor people do not take Christ into their people because of their faith and knowledge of the truths, but more because of the fear of eternal torture.

I ask myself now, how can the show's director ask people to step forward and take Christ into their lives if they do not know the true nature of Christ and God? God wills ALL to be saved and Christ is the saviour of all! ("For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach because we trust in the living God, Who is the Saviour of ALL men, especially of those that believe" - I Tim. 4:10)

Instead, they taught that damnable heresy of eternal torture. That God
allows and WILLS (because nothing will happen if God doesn't will it!) 99,9% of people to suffer for ETERNITY!

And now I have a need to mention few of the Satanic Highlights of the play.

In one scene there was a boy, whose father said that there is time to attend to church and give your life to god. Then the boy and the father died and they were both judged to hell, the father because he hadn't given his life to Jesus and the boy simply because HE BELIEVED HIS FATHER!

Is it really the boy's fault if he believed his father? Is the boy to blame? Do we believe that God of Love will punish and torture this boy ETERNALLY? The boy didn't even think he did anything wrong, because his father told him to do so and without better judgement, the boy did what almost anyone of us would have done in that age: he listened his parents, in this case the father.

The Last Judgement includes the word "to judge" and I have all my life believed that judging includes righteousness and God is righteous, more righteous than any human. Who believe that it is a fair judgement
to judge that boy to the eternal torture? Can anyone of you call it justice? No, I think no-one can call that justice. That is the justice what was taught on the play and I am overwhelmed how deeply Satan has deceived those poor people who believe in a god like that! How deeply are those people deceived who call the eternal torture of people justice!

I know that God has many great plans of us, but none of those plans include Eternal Torture! They are plans of Love, plans of Justice.

If you think logically, would eternal torture be a plan of Satan or the plan of God of Love? Well, it is the plan of Satan of course!

And the play also included a scene where were a non-believing mother and a teenage girl, who had her name written on the book of life. After they died, the Satan and his demons took the mother into the depths of hell and torture. The girl sobbed "mother" for few times, but when Jesus came, she suddenly started to smile and was happy.

How can one be happy when your mother or someone dear will be tortured for eternity? Would you be happy? NO Would anyone you know be happy? NO! So would there be a single happy person in heaven if almost all of their friends and family members are tortured? I would say "No" but there are many people who say that it's just the opposite and that is, I say, utter maddness!!

Here are some quotes from "christian" leaders concerning hell and eternal torture. (links not allowed)

They really believe that people don't feel any saddness because of the eternal torturing of their loved ones, but in fact they say that people will rejoice because such thing happens!

But the very post was to tell you another tale of maddness.

The description of the play says: "It is a dramatization of the reality of heaven and hell, showing the grace, mercy and love of God, and shows the choices we make"

Grace, mercy and love of God was NOT part of the message of the play! The more true description would be: "It is a traumatizion with a lie of eternal torture, showing God as the God of Torture, God of No Mercy and God of Hate, and teaches the heresy of Free Will."

Have any of you ever heard about this play? How do you feel about this? Isn't this almost as sick as it can be? The man who played satan knew that bible doesn't teach that way, but he still took part in the play, because "it is for the good cause". I would dare to say that Christ doesn't reach people with that kind of play. It's a play of satan, a play of fear, not of God and love!

Laurie Ditto #fundie destinyimage.com

In Hell I already knew the complete truth from God’s perspective. The ways of God are righteous, always righteous! Even though I wished it were not so, I knew that it was. The judgment of God is true. Everyone knows that truth there. The judgment of me being in Hell eternally for not forgiving people on the earth was completely righteous. In my own knowledge, being in Hell was completely righteous. I can’t tell you what that did to me then, or the soberness that it puts in me even today. It’s not like on the earth where innocent people have gone to jail for something they didn’t do. That never happens in Hell. Everyone in Hell is there because they are guilty. Because they would not love and obey God.

As I faced the reality of my judgment, I was in overload. I was inundated with an ever-increasing fear and knowledge that Hell is not only everything that I had read in the Bible but so much worse. But there is no overload shut-down mechanism in Hell. No shutting off, no taking a break, no passing out, and no quitting. The horribleness and pain in Hell accelerated and continued to get worse. I was literally experiencing inside my body the truth I had read in the Bible.

I experienced many other horrors during this vision, which I talk about further in my book The Hell Conspiracy. For the sake of brevity, I’ll cut it short…

Back to the Visible Realm
At the end of the vision, I reentered the earthly realm yelling. The worship was still going on, but I took center stage from the back of the room with my screaming.

I had no idea how much trouble I was in or that I would be forever changed. I had no grid for the loss or the gain that would surround my life from that day forward. Today, I still have an eerie weightiness whenever I share about Hell. It is a very important topic that everyone should take seriously.

It was the mercy of Jesus that He sent me to Hell and His mercy that He took me out of there. It was His kindness. It was His gentleness. It was just like when He saved me. But I didn’t know that. I didn’t know the day Jesus saved me that He saved me from all of Hell’s torments. I didn’t know when I celebrated freedom that He saved me from the bondage to sin and Hell’s eternal punishments.

It hurts to tell you this. It hurts to tell you about the punishment that was mine. It was Jesus’ mercy and love that picked me up and brought me back from Hell. If I had died in that vision, I would still be there.

The fact is that there are many people in Hell. Too many people! We can’t do anything about that. But how many of our family are going there? You know what? Most of us really don’t care. The Bible says Hell is getting bigger to hold all the people who are coming (see Isa. 5:14; Deut. 32:22). We should be doing something about it.

Karl Priest #fundie insectman.us

(Emphasis original)
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Telling the Truth (Or: “Karl, are you angry or hateful?”)

(Others have said it well by analogy:

If you were driving fast toward a washed out bridge just around a blind curve, would you want me to flag you down?

If you had terminal cancer and I knew of a cure, would you want me to share it with you?

I am keenly aware that, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” I Tim. 1:15

The following are not my words, but the author says it exactly the way I feel. The article is condensed.)

Karl

What people often refer to as “love” is sinful compromise. God's love is unconditional, i.e., God doesn't love us for who we are, but because of Who He is. Amen! Likewise, I don't love people for who they are, but because of who God has made me in Christ Jesus. We like people for their good qualities, we love them for their faults.

The sin-loving world wants Christians to remain silent concerning sin. However, God has commanded each believer to expose all works of darkness. Ephesians 5:11, “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” If you love someone, you tell them the truth, especially if not telling them the truth will harm them. The unsaved often get upset when a “Bible-thumper” witnesses the Gospel to them, but it is only out of a heart of concern and love, that we WARN others of God's wrath's against unrepentant sinners and of coming judgment in the Lake of Fire. With all the suffering in this present world, it should not be difficult to grasp the reality of eternal punishment in the fires of Hell. The question is, do you believe that the Bible is God's Word? If you do, then you cannot deny the existence of eternal punishment for the wicked, i.e., the unsaved.

To proclaim the Word of God in today's apostate, sin-loving, Christ-rejecting, Bible-denying, American society requires “tough love.” Most people don't want to hear the truth, which is why so many so-called “Christian” ministers and authors rarely touch upon the topics of sin, God's wrath, judgment, hellfire or eternal punishment. There can be no salvation without the Law of God which shows men their guilt of sin. Yes, love induces kindness and compassion, but it also induces taking an uncompromising Biblical stand against sin and evil.

Jesus didn't use sweet words to show Peter the error in his thinking. Instead Jesus sharply rebuked Peter by saying, “Get thee behind me Satan” (Matthew 16:23). Jesus scathed the unsaved Pharisees with the harshest words of all, calling them “whited sepulchres ... full with dead men's bones” (Matthew 23:27). The Apostle Paul was not very gentle with Simon the sorcerer, when he told him, “Thy money perish with thee” (Acts 8:20). Simon had mistakenly thought he could buy God's power, as many lying televangelists would still have us believe today.

In 1st Corinthians 16:22 the Apostle Paul sternly warned, “If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.” Anathema meaning “cursed,” and Maranatha meaning “the Lord is coming.” Paul said, “LET HIM BE CURSED, THE LORD JESUS IS COMING!” Does this sound like the words of the greatest missionary who ever lived? Yes, it certainly is! Somehow people today have accepted the false idea that love never offends anyone. Nothing could be further from the truth! When you love someone, you tell them the truth for their own good. A loving friend will tell you the truth if it's something that you need to know.

We are taught in the Scriptures that light and darkness cannot co-exist. That is, the righteous and the wicked will never live in harmony . . .

"An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked." —Proverbs 29:27

Mankind is inherently evil and destined to destruction. When Adam sinned, he opened the floodgate for sin to enter into the world. All the education, reformation and rehabilitation available cannot rid the world of lust, greed and hate. The truth is that we are sinners in need of salvation. Thankfully, Jesus Christ paid our sin debt, so that we could be redeemed back to God.

It is only because I love God and people that I proclaim the truth. I do not enjoy offending anyone, but I realize that the truth offends people.

I do in fact genuinely love people, no matter who they may be. If God can love a big sinner like me, then I can love anyone, even my enemies. Jesus died for all mankind. People often mistake a Christian's love for hate, and some professed believers do hate, sinfully so; but proclaiming the truth is the most noble and loving thing a person can do. A strict parent is often viewed as being “unfair” or a “tyrant” for making and enforcing rules with their teenager. The truth is that the parent loves that child and is trying to prepare them for life ahead. The child may feel that the parent hates them at the time, but it certainly is not any form of hatred. It is in fact genuine love.

Sometimes we might not tell someone the truth, if it will unnecessarily hurt them, because we love them and don't believe they need to know. At other times we may tell someone the truth, because we love them and they need to know. The latter is true concerning this website, i.e., my ministry.

I want to share with you the truth about many things, as I continue to learn and wake-up myself. This is love. My heart longs for you to know the truth and for your life to be changed for God. Have you been born-again?

What you do with the truth is your decision, I can only point you in the direction that I believe is correct. Liberty is the right to choose. Freedom is the result of making the right decisions. So many people are woefully ignorant concerning the truth (some sincerely, others by choice).

My desire is for others to receive Jesus as the Christ (i.e., Savior) and in so doing obtain the gift of eternal life. We are all GUILTY sinners, deserving of Hell for breaking God's holy Law. Thankfully, Jesus paid our sin debt. We are saved by HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, i.e., the righteousness of Jesus Christ, and not by our own hypocritical self-righteousness. God will forgive anyone who acknowledges their guilt of sin and comes to God the Father by way of faith in the redeeming blood sacrifice of His Son, Jesus.

From: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/please_give_me_your_heart.htm

See “What is Your Excuse for not Getting Saved?”.

See “The Love Gospel” at “The Common Thread (addendum)”.

For those who send me hate mail:

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:28-32 KJB) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. (Hebrews 9:27 KJB)

I AM PART OF THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE UNASHAMED

By Dr. Bob Moorehead
I am part of the fellowship of the unashamed. The dye has been cast. The decision has been made. I have stepped over the line. I won't look back, let up, slow down or back away.

My past is redeemed, my present makes sense, my future is secure. I'm finished and done with selfish living, sight walking, small planning, "smooth knees," colorless dreams, tamed visions, mundane talking, cheap giving and dwarfed goals.

I no longer need pre-eminence, prosperity, position, promotions, plaudits, pity or popularity. I don't have to be right, first, tops, recognized, praised, regarded or rewarded. I live now by faith, lean on His presence, walk with His patience, live by prayer and labor with His power.

My face is set; my gait is sure; my goal is heaven; my road is narrow; my way is rough, my companions are few; my Guide is reliable; my mission is clear. I cannot be bought, compromised, detoured, lured away, turned back, deluded or delayed. I will not flinch in the face of sacrifice, hesitate in the presence of the adversary, negotiate at the table of the enemy, ponder at the pool of popularity or meander in the maze of mediocrity because I have been sustained by Christ.

I won't give up, shut up, let up, until I have stayed up, stored up, prayed up, paid up, spoken up for the cause of Christ. I am a disciple of Jesus Christ. I must go till all know, and work till He stops me. And when He comes for His own, He will have no problem recognizing me. My banner is clear.

Jacob Harrison #fundie #wingnut #psycho forums.fstdt.net

How the justice system should work in England.

Hello. I talked about restoring the legitimate royal line to the throne of England. Now I will talk about how the justice system will work in England based on England’s traditions.

Ugh I thought it was going to be my final message to you but I have to first explain my ideas of how the justice system should work and how Eugenics should work in the United States, and England and how to deal with abortion. It will be in proportion to the crimes commited

Men and women must not be allowed to cross dress. Men and women can wear whatever clothes they want as long as it is not slutty. All women’s bathing suits MUST cover butt cheeks and boobs since boobs are private parts.

Pornography should be banned because it causes sex trafficking. Hentai should be banned because it is just plain gross. Sex should only be depicted in movies and TV shows and promiscuity and premarital sex should be promoted as a BAD thing, like in the great classic horror films Halloween, and Nightmare on Elm Street.

Divorce for Christians should be made illegal and replaced with annulment but annulment should be granted only in cases of actual abusive spouses. Adultry should be punished with fines. Premarital sex like in Merry Old England should be legal, but should not be encouraged in the media.

Stealing most property, destroying property, vandalism, and littering should be punished by fines. Stealing and destroying major property or committing arson should be punished with jail sentences.

Smoking in public should be legalized but fines should be commited if the smoker blows the smoke in someone else’s face. Cigarettes and cigars though should be replaced with the good old fashioned pipes because pipes are less addicting.

Possessing marijuana and illegal drugs should be punished with jail sentences. Putting pot smokers in jail is rehabilitation because it deprived them of the drug and makes them get clean.

Insulting the benevolent government should be punished with 5 year jail sentences for treason. Saying actual racist comments(meaning judging people by the content of their color and using the N word, not for showing statistics of poverty and crime since blacks are sadly impoverished because of the Democrats), holocaust denial, and promoting communism and socialism should be punished with 5 year jail sentences. Most Trump supporters do not use the n word.

Blasphemy against the Christian God should be punished by 1 year in jail or a fine of 300 dollars(this law is still on the charter in the State of Massachusetts which I live in)

Prayer should be allowed in public schools. Those of different religions should go to schools of their own religions.

Blasphemy against gods of other pagan religions should be punished by mild fines. However criticizing their religions by saying their gods do not exist, or criticizing Jews for not accepting Jesus Christ as their messiah does not count as blasphemy.

However blasphemy against Islam, Muhammad, and Allah should be legal and encouraged.

Muslim women can wear hijabs but they must not be allowed to criticize people who don’t wear hijabs and must not be allowed to wear burquas or burkinis.

The religions that should be banned with jail for 1 year are Satanism, New Agism, Gnosticism, Wicca, the anti Trinitarian heresies, and Druidism because they are all heresies and occult. They as long as fortune tellers, and mediums, as well as those who consult them should be locked up in churches until they repent.

Atheism should be punished with fines because of it’s correlation with socialism and because it promotes doing whatever you want without fear of being judged.

People with severe autism(not people with Asperger’s syndrome which I have been diagnosed with), and people with IQ’s less than 100 should be chemically castrated. So should average thugs that are beyond rehabilitation.

First degree murderers, all mass shooters, and drug dealers who have been proven guilty with ton’s of circumstantial evidence, or dirrect proof with footage should be executed by public beheadings with axes. The head should be put on display.

Men who are guilty of high treason(the top leaders of rebellions against the United States, and monarch) should be punished by being hung, drawn, and quartered like it was done in Merry Old England (though in private locations because most people today would vomit seeing it in public). Women as a courtesy guilty of the high treason should be publically burned at the stake as was done in Merry Old England.

All average Rebels who change sides will be pardoned.

Torture should be permitted for adults as a means of interrogating criminals, rebels, and terrorists. Most people who get tortured will eventually give in because they would prefer being executed rather than continuing to be tortured.

Chris #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Catholicism is not Christianity. Catholicism teaches a false gospel of works that leads to eternal hell (Galatians 1:6-9).

The Bible says we are saved by faith in Jesus without works. The catholics say you need works to be saved.

The difference is the difference between heaven and hell.

Catholicism cannot save, in fact catholicism leads to eternal hell. Only Jesus saves.

The truth is that the only way to be saved and to get into heaven and avoid being sent to eternal hell is by believing that Jesus, who is God, died for our sins on the cross and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe this and you are saved!

Please pray now: "Jesus, please forgive me of my sins. I believe that You died on the cross for my sins and You rose again. Thank You for eternal life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die :)

Chris #fundie answers.yahoo.com

If homosexuality were not a choice, then there would be MANY MORE homosexuals than there are.

But it isn't a born-with condition. It is a choice. And it is a sin.

And like all sin, it is forgiven COMPELTELY when the person believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is this: The truth is that the only way to be saved and to get into heaven and avoid being sent to eternal hell is by believing that Jesus, who is God, died for our sins on the cross and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe this and you are saved!

Please pray now: "Jesus, please forgive me of my sins. I believe that You died on the cross for my sins and You rose again. Thank You for eternal life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die :)

Chris #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Do kids or Teenagers Go to Hell?????????
this always bugs me when i think of this, to think of a young kid or teenager between the ages of 13-17 going to hell. so im just wondering, from a christians point of view, no matter what kids do at these ages, and what kind of way they die in, do they go to hell? what does it say in the bible about kids or teenagers going to hell?

(Now for the kind Christian response. Apparently 4 year olds burn in hell)

Yes, if they die without having believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Bible offers NO age of accountability, in other words, no person can show any verse in the Bible that says "you must be X years old to be accountable". The Gospel is understandable by four year olds.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ: The truth is that the only way to be saved and to get into heaven and avoid being sent to eternal hell is by believing that Jesus, who is God, died for our sins on the cross and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe this and you are saved!

Please pray now: "Jesus, please forgive me of my sins. I believe that You died on the cross for my sins and You rose again. Thank You for eternal life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die :)

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

One of the most sexually immoral, blasphemous and tasteless shows in television history is the “Saturday Night Live” (SNL) show. In a recent episode (February 16, 2013), SNL blasphemed the Lord Jesus Christ by portraying Him as a revengeful murderer, Who after raising up from the dead, slaughtered Roman soldiers with His sword.

Christ died, was buried and miraculously resurrected so that men could obtain forgiveness of sins and eternal life by faith in Jesus Christ. It is sinful to mock holy things. The unbelieving Jews in Hollywood continually attack the Bible, degrade Christians and push the limit to see what they can get away with. The Lord Jesus Christ is holy and worthy of our reverence, praise and love. Only a fool mocks the things of God. Most of the people in this world are going to Hell forever because of their unbelief in the gospel (Hebrews 4:2; Matthew 7:13-14). Thus, it is a horrible evil to make fun of anything pertaining to the Scriptures.

Alex #fundie charismanews.com

(On an article regarding the movement to resist and impeach Donald trump.)

REV 19:He (Jesus) treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty....this is no longer speaking of his own blood, but the blood of his enemies....war is inevitable....then, peace will come....come (birds of the air), gather together for the great supper of God, that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small. Solomon's kingdom would never have manifested if it wasn't for the preceding wars of King David, the father.

[Another person calls Alex out for inciting violence.]

I do not advocate violence but there is such a thing as righteous judgement "with justice he wages war". To say that God is only Mercy is wrong. The Lord The Lord God. A compassionate and merciful God. SLOW to anger and abounding in loving kindness and truth; who keeps loving kindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity and transgressions and sins. YET HE WILL BY NO MEANS LET THE GUILTY GO UNPUNISHED....God himself described who he is in these verses. He is not just the LAMB, but also THE LION OF JUDAH.

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Pretty much everything God does, good or bad, he does thru human beings. I cringe when I hear the atrocities of ISIS, but I also believe that they might be in part God's judgement on a world which has shunned him.

[A different person calls Alex on his bloodthirsty BS.]

no one is advocating violence, false accuser and devil. Your pride and arrogance gives you no right to sit on God's throne to judge me or anyone else on this thread. I notice you shoot off your big mouth without addressing the scriptures I put before you in this thread. My point is that, although incredibly long-suffering and patient, God is not Mercy only. He is a righteous king (judge). And just like there is divine Mercy, there is also divine Judgement waiting for those evil-doers who refuse to repent, be washed in the blood and sanctified in the Word. God is not beheading ANYBODY, but his hand of protection can be removed in order that judgement take place.

[Person #2 doesn't back down, demands Alex admit he's advocating violence.]

Don't forget, I called you a devil too. I also said God is not beheading ANYBODY, as the devil (that would be you) falsely accuses me of. But why argue? Let God's Word speak for itself : AND WHEN THEY FORGOT THE LORD THEIR GOD, HE (GOD) SOLD THEM INTO THE LAND OF SISERA AND INTO THE HAND OF THE PHILISTINES AND INTO THE HAND OF MOAB, AND THEY FOUGHT AGAINST THEM. God also sold Israel to Assyria and Babylon for their unrepentence. When we forget God and mock him (as the vast majority of America and the entire world is doing today), when we pile up aborted babies by the tens of millions, when those who are called priests live homosexual lifestyles and abuse children in despicable manner (those would be the priests of the Catholic religion which you follow), when we call good bad and bad good (homosexual marriage), God's hand of protection is removed and we too will be judged and given into the hands of our enemies (ISIS).

[Person #2 and a third person remind Alex that god doesn't make ISIS behead people.]

And you need to learn about repentance and that we are called to such, even as we are washed in the blood of Jesus. Otherwise, you remain a child on milk, never having matured into righteousness. Or do you not know that evil doers will not enter the Kingdom of God? Get YOUR theology straight!

Janet bloomfield #sexist judgybitch.com

Brock Turner is a rapist but not the kind that frightens me.

A guy I train with told me a funny story about mixing martial arts with alcohol. Like me, he’s not really interested in martial arts as a sport, but more in terms of real world applicability. He’s a fighter more than an athlete. He was training with a group who felt the most likely environment in which they would encounter real violence would be a bar, and alcohol would likely be involved, so they convinced their sensei to run a simulation that involved everyone doing tequila shooters, to test their reflexes and muscle memories under the influence. Could they drink tequila and still be able to handle real world violence? They turned the lights down and the music way up, which is not that unusual for a dojo. Lots of stress drills are done in low light, noisy conditions.

And then guzzled tequila.

Everything started out fine. Everyone was jokey and boisterous and having fun with the drills and even singing along to the hokey death metal band. And then tequila 2.0 arrived. When the full effects kicked in, people started getting hurt. The fight took on a whole new dimension. Wrist locks got brutal. People didn’t notice their partners tapping out. Choke holds were a little too enthusiastic. No one waited for a secure hold before reaping. It was mayhem!

It’s funny to hear him tell the story, because from the outside it seems like a terrifying drunken brawl, and it was, but the fighters enjoyed every minute of it. It was fun. Sensei had to cut the class short because people were getting hurt. Being drunk, they didn’t really realize it, and were thoroughly enjoying themselves. The next day, people had bruises and sprains and fat lips and black eyes and swollen joints and stuff that should never happen except by pure accident when sparring. Someone even dropped a 12-6 elbow between his opponent’s shoulder blades, which is pretty much a nuclear elbow strike you don’t pull out lightly. It’s actually sort-of illegal in most martial arts, but perfectly acceptable in self-defense. The fighters agreed to never drunk spar again, although I suspect that was a very effective lesson in teaching them just how much alcohol impaired their ability to use proportional violence.

The real point is that while the sparring was happening, the fighters were having a blast. They were doing what they do: fighting. I’m sure getting out of bed the next day brought a few regrets home, but in the moment, it was fun. The whole story made me think of the Brock Turner case – the Stanford athlete convicted of sexually assaulting a drunk woman outside a fraternity.

Let’s get a few things out of the way right off the bat: do I think Brock Turner is a rapist?

Yes.

Yes, I do. Turner claims he went outside with the woman and they were making out and I believe him. They were both drunk, but she was sloppy drunk and she passed out cold. Turner dragged her behind a dumpster, removed her panties, somehow managed to get rocks and dirt in her vagina, shoved his fingers in her, left her with scrapes and bruises and only stopped assaulting her when a couple guys noticed what he was up to, and then chased Turner down when he ran. Bystanders held Turner until police arrived.

Please note that this is exact opposite of feminist rape culture, in which rape is treated like a joke and condoned by the wider society. No one (except Turner’s father) thinks Turner’s action were amusing or acceptable. The Stanford police were involved right off the bat, the woman was found and taken to hospital, charges were laid and Turner was prosecuted successfully and sentenced to jail, even though the victim can’t remember a single thing about the incident. That doesn’t sound like condoning, celebrating or accepting rape to me. Or to Ashe Schow, who has written a nice explanation of rape culture as it relates to Brock Turner.

But of course, feminists are mad. They’re always mad. They’re mad at Brock because being sentenced to life isn’t harsh enough. Yes, you read that correctly. Turner got a life sentence. No, not in jail. He was sentenced to 6 months in jail, and will likely spend 3 months there, but he will spend the rest of his life on the Sex Offender Registry. That is punishment untempered by mercy, yet not punishment enough to satisfy feminists, ecstatic that they finally found an actual rape victim to get behind.

According to Emily Horowitz, who wrote [i]Protecting Our Kids: How Sex Offender Laws Are Failing Us[/i], sex offender registries don’t keep anyone safer. Speaking to Slate’s Christina Cauterucchi, Horowitz says. ‘Are sex offenders destined to reoffend? Not according to any research—sex offenders have lower recidivism rates than almost any other type of offender. Punishing [Turner] forever and destroying his life doesn’t make anyone safer.’

I’m sure you’ll be shocked to know that feminists don’t care. Read the comments. They want Turner to suffer for the rest of his life. They want him to pay for his idiocy for the rest of his life. They want revenge, not justice. It’s so rare for an actual, unambiguous rape victim to emerge, feminists are practically in shock. Whipping women up in frenzied fear, feminists have convinced almost 100K people to sign a petition to remove the judge who decided to temper Turner’s life sentence with reduced jail time. Justice must not have mercy? I’d be really careful with that demand, feminists. It could bite you in the ass, pretty easily.

The reality here is that Brock Turner is like the fighters who beat the shit out of each other while loaded. Turner has no reputation for being criminally sexually aggressive, but he is a predator. Like all athletes, he channels his natural desire to compete and triumph into a sport, and he was very good at winning. Competitors and predators come down to the same thing. No one wants to tie. It’s a zero sum game. I win. You lose. Civilization is the story of channeling this aspect of human nature into creation, rather than destruction. Brock Turner got drunk and behaved in a criminally foolish manner. An equivalent would be a drunk sparring partner who knocked his partner out and then kept hitting him. It crosses every line and deserves sanction and punishment.

Rapists like Turner don’t frighten me. Avoiding him is as simple as not getting black out drunk and refusing to go make out with him outside, in the dark. The trouble with feminist definitions of rape is that they confuse drunk couples who go outside and have mutually consensual sex, having fun in the moment, with actual rape. That is exactly what happened at Occidental College. Both individuals were drunk, both agreed to have sex, but she regretted it the next morning. If they had both been drunk, and agreed to spar, could she charge him with assault and battery the next day? Occidental says yes.

I say no.

People do stupid shit when they’re drunk. Alcohol lowers inhibitions, which is a key reason people like to drink it. But it doesn’t fundamentally change who you are as a person. The fighters my friend and I talked about did stupid stuff when fighting drunk they would never do sober, but none of them crossed the line into brutally beating an unconscious partner. It was just a kind of crazy, wild playfight that left a few people bruised and bleeding, but no criminal lines were crossed.

Most drunk sex, no matter how much one party or the other might regret it in the morning, is not rape.

What Turner did is rape.

Feminist definitions of regret=rape are now starting to trap women, too. When Rose grabbed herself a drunk guy and fucked him, she thought it was just a good time, had by all. And it was. In the moment. But when morning came and the guy saw he had just boned a fat chick, he turned campus rape laws on her and had Rose expelled.

This is nuts.

And awesome, at the same time. Turnabout is fair play, ladies. If you are going to expand the definition of rape to include sex one person regrets, you’re going to have to accept the uncomfortable truth that men make poor decisions when plastered, too, and stick their dicks in women they wouldn’t glance at twice when sober. If we’re going to call drunk sparring ‘assault’ and criminally prosecute it, any woman who downs a shooter and steps in the ring can be charged.

Is this really the world we want? Young men and women expelled from college, their futures blighted, because they got drunk and did something dumb? No one should be expelled from college for hooking up while drunk. Drunk sex is not rape. Rape is rape. It’s not that hard to tell the difference. Turner is a case study in campus rape. And even he doesn’t deserve a life sentence. He is extremely unlikely to reoffend.

Justice without mercy is cruelty. Is anyone surprised feminists are howling for exactly that when it comes to Turner, and by extension, all men accused of rape? The real danger here is that cruelty can be contagious. I sincerely hope the courts do not bow to the pressure of feminists and remove this judge. That will spread the contagion of feminism and we are already at critical mass.

Never forget that feminism is cancer.

What we really need are a few more fat bitches to get charged with rape. A few brave men are needed, to take one for the team. We need to show everyone the insanity of feminist ideals of ‘justice’.

Any volunteers?

Lots of love,

JB

Michael ChristisKing #fundie books.google.com

I WEPT SORELY
As I recovered, my attention was again turned to the great throng. And I wept again as I helplessly watched millions of people passing by. marching like stubborn goats; and many, very merrily going towards that land where there is no hope, where the day never dawns and the sun never shines. I was amazed how real it was to me and how funny and far-fetched it was too many of these people. The bellows of the smoke of hell were right there on the horizon but these travelers only reasoned it away as being something else. There always seemed to be an explanation for their action although the complete opposite was the real truth. There was urgency for everything else but there was total indifference towards the woeful end that was right before them. Man in all his dignity walking like a hypnotized beast was moving towards his death. It was the death of all deaths. The death was where the dying is always dying, but never dead.
Where death is desired by the dying more than gold, but never found. "What will you do oh man at the end? When you stand stripped of all your glory and never to be clothed but only with shame and worms. What will you do when grace will never be extended to you again for all eternity? What will you do when you remember how close you were to becoming one of the glorious ones but passed up on the chance and chose vain living instead. Your pursuit was after other things and God was not important to you. Your pride and your slothfulness betrayed you.
the cares of this life and its riches deceived you." Woe. woe. woe to the inhabitants of that land for as sure as God lives and as long as He lives, there will never be hope or relief from the madness of their horror. That is the vow of the Almighty who Himself is the guarantor of His words. "Wave after wave of shocking terror will make the pitiful residents of hell know that the worst is yet to come and that their trouble is only beginning. Hell will always be only beginning. No matter how bad it gets, it is only the beginning." says the faithfulness of a holy God; 100 trillion years times 100 trillion years and to the 100 trillionth power. The lake of Fire will only be beginning". The inhabitants of it will never get used to it. Every day will feel like the first day, every day will feel like the worst day. yet the Almighty has sworn that they will never enter into His rest forever.
"Oh man. you can curse now but what will you do at the end. You can argue with God and His word now. and maybe even come out looking like a winner, but what will you do at the end.
You may laugh at the preaching of righteousness when men are called to make their hearts right with God. You call it foolish, but what will you do at the end?
You may make fun of the Word of God. the house of God, the Book of God and the people of God but what will you do at the end?
You may drink, smoke and revel all night.
You may mock those who don't go that way with you. but what will you do at the end.
You may let your passion be your lord And even let your desire be your king.
You may be driven around by your own appetite and live your life your own way but what will you do at the end?
The end is coming; the end is coming, as sure as the day follows the night and as the cutting of the flesh causes bleeding and as sure as the reaping follows the sowing, there shall be an end my friend. There will be an end.
As sure as there is a beginning, there is an end to this beginning, and there is a beginning coming that will never know an end. It will always be beginning. The chewing may be sweet to the mouth but the belly will tell a different story. The pleasures of sin, the gain and gratification from rebellion are only for a season. The end will come to every man; there is an end, and God will require back the life He gave, and He will require an account of how you lived. What will you do my friend? What will you do?
What will you do when the physician say. "it's too late we cannot help him"? What will you do when the dressers come for your shell, for the last dress-up?
What will you do when you are on display for your filing friends and family members to see for one last time?
What will you do when the box that holds your shell is sealed shut?
What will you do when the vase and the crust are covered in the dust?
Think of the end my friend. Humble yourself before the great God. your Maker and seek Him. God is God and you are man. He dwells in Heaven and you on earth. The day of His sickle is coming. The day when He separates the chaff from the wheat will be a day like no other.
If you say to yourself that these things are not true, you better be very sure. For if you are wrong and the Word of God is the Word Of God. you will lose eternally. You will be man eternal trouble. It is your decision. Make it wisely. Don't live a fool, don't die a fool. Don't let anyone make this decision for you. Though you curse their names forever, it will fix nothing. You will be on your own. No one will care and no one will comfort.
Oh man. humble yourself before your Maker and seek Him. Seek the true and living God. Seek God while He may be found. Call on Him while He is still near. Be wise and listen to Wisdom as He stands on the concourse and calls.
Oh God, have mercy on this teeming humanity.
You did not create them so you can destroy them. They are like sheep without a shepherd; confused with life, bound by ungodly and godless imaginations. They do not know their left from their right. Oh God have mercy. Have mercy oh God, have mercy. Show the same mercy and grace that you showed when you gave Jesus Christ to come and die for us on the cross. Let that mercy revisit the nations. Oh Lord bring a fresh wind of your Holy Spirit to awaken men and women to God and His will for their lives. His love for them and His plan for their redemption. Oh God. I know that many will be lost but why so many, why Lord, why so many? Oh God why such a total coldness towards you. Why? Oh God, do something about it today. Send an awakening, send a fresh wind of your Holy Spirit to blow our way, wake up the inhabitants of the earth. Oh God, Oh God have mercy, have mercy, have mercy. Oh God, Oh God have mercy, have mercy; turn the hearts of these men towards you. Oh God, forgive their iniquities and restore them to your righteousness for at death it will be forever too late. Oh God how will I pray this prayer. What else should I say to you? Oh God, I cannot do anything to get your attention to act in mercy towards them more than what your own Son has already done? Oh Lord, have mercy on these everlasting beings that you love. Your love in my heart drives me to cry out to you but I don't know what else to do. I do not love them more than you do. I cannot awaken anyone no matter how loud I shout. You can. Oh Lord, please send an awakening to your righteousness and mercy and everlasting love. Oh God have mercy, have mercy oh God.

genesistorevelation316 #fundie genesistorevelation.home.blog

Lordship salvation is a heresy!!!

Many people say they will get to Heaven by their good works. They think God will forgive them if they do good works. Let’s try that in court.

Judge: “I find you guilty of speeding at 62 MPH in a 30 MPH zone. Do you have anything to say?”

Criminal: “Well, I admit I sped and I’m very sorry. However, I’m a very good person. I help old ladies across the street, I give to the homeless, I never steal things. Could you just, well, let me go?”

Judge: “Justice must be served. Guilty!”

That’s the same with God. He is perfect and Holy. Justice must be served.

So, since we have all broken God’s Law (Romans 3:23), we all deserve God’s punishment- a place called Hell.

However, God, in His mercy, sent a Saviour, Jesus Christ, to die on the Cross for everyone.

Back at the court:

Someone walks in- a man the criminal doesn’t even know. He pays the £200 fine.

Judge: “I was going to sentence you. However, someone has paid your fine, so now you can go free!”

This is what Jesus did.

He died for guilty sinners. He took the punishment we all deserved onto Him.

Now our sins can be forgiven if we just put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ, no good works required.

PRAISE THE LORD!

David J. Stewart and David Hyles #fundie godlovespeople.com

Psalms 11:7, “For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.”

I very much admire the following words below, penned by David Hyles to address his army of internet critics; but first, let me give you some introduction. David is the beloved son of Dr. Jack Hyles (1926-2001), the legendary former pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana for over 42 years. It is no secret that all humans are sinners by birth, inherent to our nature. David Hyles' has been much criticized for his sins and bad choices in life, but he has repented openly and apologized. Yet, the diatribes (thundering verbal attacks) from David critics are relentless, merciless and saturated with hated.

The Bible teaches that some people's sins are open (known) beforehand here on earth (such as David's). But the Bible teaches that everyone else's sins will follow them and be revealed in eternity, causing shame and reproach...

1st Timothy 5:24, “Some men's sins are open beforehand,
going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.”

David Hyles' alleged sins are openly known beforehand, just as the Bible teaches; but every person who has ever been born is a sinner and our sins will be made open for all to see in eternity. No one will be able to retain a cocky and arrogant attitude toward others who have sinned when we stand in judgment before God. If the truth be known, everyone is a horrible sinner. People who are fortunate enough to live above reproach find it easy to condemn others who openly sin (or their sins become openly revealed). If all of our sins were known, no one would ever be able to slander, gossip or criticize others who sin. NO ONE is a shining example to be held up as the standard of perfection, except the precious Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the spotless “Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29).

In his own words, David Hyles appeals to his critics with God's love, pointing out five evils caused by their hurtful attacks...

“First you are hurting the lost. Several years ago I worked with a young man who knew I was a Christian. This young man was searching. He had dabbled into several religions in his search. He respected me and began to question me about Christ. God was working in his life and I felt he was very close to accepting Christ as his Savior. Someone, in an attempt to hurt my business began circulating an email through my workplace and he received it, anonymously, of course. He never again listened to me and eventually our paths parted. I pray every day for God to save him. It was not MY sins that turned him away. No, actually it was the evil spirit of those my accusers who claimed to be Christians. He wanted no part of that.

Secondly, you are hurting the fallen. Countless Christians have seen what you have done to me and to others who have fallen and decided to just disappear rather than being restored. I believe that there have been suicides and other tragedies that could have been prevented if a fallen brother or sister had felt there was hope. You diatribes on your filthy forums serve Satan’s purpose well.

Thirdly you are hurting those who I have hurt. Please hear me on this. Every fallen pastor or Christian leaves hurting people in their sinful wake. I did. I know that. It breaks my heart. David did too and his heart was broken. There is little we can do to repair the damage. Their deliverance must come from God and it will not come from revenge or retribution. It will come only from forgiveness. Please allow God to be God and to deal with his children as He will. Stay out of it and encourage those who have been hurt to find their peace from God not from your vigilante system of internet justice.

Allow me to elaborate on this just a bit more. People who are hurt by a sinner are destroyed by bitterness. No one’s sin can destroy your life. Our loving Father would not allow that. He stands ready as a loving Father to pick you up and mend your broken heart. Sinners (and that includes us all) do bad things that affect other’s lives. For all have sinned… However, if we get them to take their eyes off of the offender and place it on the Savior they can be healed. Closure does not come from our flawed idea of justice. It comes from letting God heal us even as He deals with the one who offended or hurt us.

Fourthly you are hurting you! The manure you are hurling fails to hit me but your hands sure do smell of the filth you have no business picking up. I am sorry for the pain that makes you feel that somehow you will gain some kind of satisfaction from trying to hurt me. I wish this book could give you the peace you are lacking but I sincerely doubt it will.

Finally and most importantly, you are hurting the Father. I have news for you that is not going to please you, but here goes. GOD LOVES ME and I AM SAVED AND FORGIVEN! I fell but, you see, when a Christian falls we do not fall away from grace, we fall into it, hence the name of this book. I am in His grace and one day I will stand before Him clothed in the righteousness of His Son and not the sin of my own. Why would you dare try and hurt the heart of God? Is it because there is unconfessed sin in your life? Are you so far from Him that you have lost the sweetness of His mercy and grace in your own life? That is sad.”

We are all sinners. Who are you, me or anyone else to condemn someone for their sins. James 4:12, “There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” God is our eternal Judge, and we are cautioned to be careful how we judge others, for the Lord will treat us the same way that we treat others (Matthew 7:1-5).

I love what David Hyles says about “Fallen Into Grace,” rather than “falling from grace” as Calvinists errantly teach. When the apostle Paul speaks of falling from grace, he simply means that a person who rejects Christ cannot be saved any other way. Galatians 5:4, “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” False teachers say that a believer loses their salvation when they sin. The Bible calls them liars. Being born-again is a birth (a spiritual, second, new birth), and is as irreversible as the first, physical, natural birth. If saved, always saved!

Some people are so filled with malicious hatred that they have decided that David Hyles could never be saved. The Bible warns in Matthew 7:1-5 that God will one day judge critics and scorners by the SAME measure by which they have judged others. So if you mistreat someone and condemn them without mercy, God will treat you the same one day unless you repent. I would 10,000 times rather be a humiliated big sinner in men's eyes, than to be a self-righteous hypocrite who's filled with hatred and scorn toward someone who has sinned. To point a finger of condemnation at anyone is to have three of our own fingers pointing right back at us.

When a Christian sins, we are not fallen from grace; but rather, we have fallen into God's wondrous grace. God's mercy is abundant. The Lord promises to forgive those who come to Him. 1st John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

I also love what David Hyles says...

“I am in His grace and one day I will stand before Him clothed in the righteousness of His Son and not the sin of my own.”

David Hyles as a genuine Christian fully realizes that salvation is only possible through Christ's imputed righteousness, and not by any self-righteousness of our own. Christ bore our burden of sins upon Himself on the cross. There's no way that you nor I, nor anyone else, could ever bear the weight of our own sins. Have you ever found yourself looking at an impossible situation, wondering how your life could ever become so messed up, realizing that there's no way humanly possible to ever make things right? I've been there! But when I had those thoughts the Lord impressed a truth upon my heart, saying, “You're right, you could never make things right, no matter how hard you try. That's why I went to the cross and paid your sin debt... so I could make things right!” It's Jesus precious blood that He sacrificed for our sins that makes everything right in God's eyes!

Many religious people are trying to make things right in their own human strength, as did Adam with his fig-leaf religion. God rejected Adam's fig-leaves and killed an innocent animal instead, shedding its blood which represented the coming Lamb of God, the Messiah, Who would one day die on the cross for the sins of the world. Thank you Lord Jesus!

Conclusion

When the truth is known, ALL PEOPLE will be exposed as wicked and shameful sinners. When asked to give the name of the worst and most horrible sinners we know, most people tend to think of people besides them self. This is the hypocritical nature of humanity. This is why all gossip is sinful and wrong, that is, because we are just as sinful as the people that we criticize. James 4:12, “There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” No one has any right to talk bad in public about Christians who have fallen. Satan always brings up past sins to discourage us, but the Holy Spirit only convicts us about present sins that need to be confessed and forsaken.

A person is never more like Satan than when they point a finger of damnation toward others. Revelation 12:10, “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” Satan accuses believers round-the-clock before the throne of God, continually pointing out the hypocrisy, sins and failures of God's children. Most gossip is true, which is what makes it so dangerous. Proverbs 11:9, “An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.”

David's enemies will condemn him to his grave, as did king David's enemies in the Bible; but thanks be to God, only God can condemn a person to Hell and there is no condemnation upon Christian believers who have faith in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1). The Lord showed me one day while reading the Psalms that the reason for king David's enemies was his sins of adultery, conspiracy and murder. The words “enemy” and “enemies” appear 103 times in Psalms. David's enemies condemned him to his grave, continually trying to destroy him, but God protected him.

The Lord knows that I have many enemies as a fighting fundamental preacher, and many people slander and say garbage about me all the time. I don't read gossip, so it cannot affect me. I don't know what my critics say about me. I'm too busy serving the Lord to stop and see how I'm doing or what critics are saying about me. The only opinion that matters to me is God's. Revelation 4:11 says that we were all created for God's pleasure.

Thank God for the gift of His dear only begotten Son, Jesus, the Christ. If it weren't for God's love, mercy and grace that sent Jesus to Calvary to shed His blood for our sins, we would all be doomed to eternity in Hell.

Ironically, the very scorners who accuse fallen Christians of not being saved are likely not saved themselves. The Bible teaches that hatred for others is a sign that we've never been saved. 1st John 3:15-16, “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.” Dr. Hyles often stated in his sermons that, “The Christian army is the only army in the world that slays its wounded.” This is because most believers are carnally-minded, walking in the flesh instead of the Spirit. Galatians 5:25, “If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.” Every Christian believer has the Holy Spirit living within their body (1st Corinthians 3:17-18; Romans 8:9). The Bible is saying in Galatians 3:25 that we ought to also walk in the Spirit Who indwells us. As Christians we continually have to decide whether we are going to walk in the sinful flesh or the Spirit of God Who came to live within us the moment that we were born-again (saved). It's a constant battle (Romans 7:14-25; 1st Peter 2:11).

All men and women are sinners. We are not sinners because we sin; but rather, we sin because we are sinners. Jeremiah 17:9 teaches that the human heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all else. The Bible plainly teaches that all men are equally as guilty of sin in God's eyes. James 2:10, “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” Committing even one sin is enough to send a person to the Lake of Fire forever and ever. That's why God sent His Son into the world to die on Calvary's cross to pay our sin debt.

So please remember, whoever you may be, that when we sin as Christian believers we don't fall from grace; but rather, we fall into God's grace because of the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.

kerri #fundie rr-bb.com

[Replying to 'If a rapist was sentenced to death, and his mother died in place of him, how is justice served at all?']Actually the mystery of Christ dying for us is even harder to comprehend than the scenario you post. Here is a better analagy: A rapist commited a crime that the law required death to be the punishment - no jury, no deliberations, just him and the judge. And the judge, feeling gracious (for some unexplainable reason), said the law requires death for the crime itself, so if you can find someone who is willing to come forward to take the death sentence for you, then you will be set free and justified in the eyes of the law. So, of course, no-one would step forward to die in the place of this gruesome criminal, until.... The person who he raped so horribly and violently, and showed no mercy to, went to the judge and said- I WILL DIE FOR HIM- and the judge slams the gavel and orders the new prisoner to be executed in the morning, and he says to the executioners-" do not be merciful on the prisoner, for in taking the place of the condemed, he must suffer exactly as the condemed would have- the law requires no less for this crime." And then the judge turns to the criminal who had fully deserved his death sentence (and he knew he had deserved it and stood speechless as the one whom he had violated offered to take his place)- and says "My child, you are now justified in the eyes of the law- you are set free" This criminal feeling shock and disbelief at what had taken place- swore the rest of his life in service of the one who died for him. He was so awed that the victim had taken his punishment, that he told everyone he knew of the mercy that this victim had showed him- He swore to never let the merciful one's death be in vain. He would tell the world!! A lengthy explanation- but I hope it suffices- and to answer your final question of how can this even be justice? I will never claim to understand why the son of God stepped forward to take our place in death- it will remain a mystery forever to me. I don't know why He did it, but I'm forever grateful that He did. To answer your other question, to why God requires a life for a life (blood)- I tried to explain that in my above post. Also, you ask why doesn't he just snap His fingers and clear our sin?- well, if He did that He wouldn't be a just God. Law requires that there be a punishment for the crime.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia #racist jesusisprecious.org

I wanted to start out the year 2020 the right way, so I got up and put on Alexander Scourby reading the Gospel of John in the King James Bible. As I was hearing the inspired Words of God, our text passage impressed upon my heart. The Lord said: “Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” What a beautiful truth! Jesus is saying that this earthly life is only temporary, but since He is alive forever, so also will we be if we believe on Him. John 8:51, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”

Living for the now and now is foolish, because it cannot last. What saith the Scripture? ...

Hebrews 11:24-26, “By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.”

Sin only lasts for “A SEASON,” because life only lasts for “A SEASON.” James 4:14, “Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.” A season! A vapour! Truly, life's shortness pales in comparison to eternity!!! Jesus warned that whosoever committeth sin is THE SERVANT of sin! Well, goodnight in the morning, that means we're ALL the servants of sin, because WE ALL SIN! Romans 3:23a, “For all have sinned...” Therefore, I think the phrase “committeth sin” refers to more than just the act of committing a sin, it refers to a person's entire life without Christ, which is the greatest sin of all! It matters not how morally upright your walk may be in this temporal earthly life, everything you do is a sin if you are a Christ-rejecter. Psalm 7:11, “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” Proverb 21:4, “An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin.”

“If we're going to get anything done for God, just before He comes, we better get at it!” —Brother Lester Roloff, a quote from the awesome sermon titled: “The Sin Of The Unstirred Church”

We tend to think of “committing sin” as a list of really bad things (e.g., adultery, murder, stealing) which people do, and it is, but we are sinning even when we don't pray, don't love, don't care, don't forgive and don't live for God. The greatest sin of all (commonly known commonly as “THE UNPARDONABLE SIN”) is rejecting Jesus as one's Savior. Not getting saved is the ONLY sin that can never be forgiven (John 3:36). It matters not how good of a person you are in the sight of men, you are abiding as a servant in the house of sin, because when you grow old and die this temporal earthly life WILL BETRAY YOU. You will perish! Whatever happiness and fulfillment this world can offer to a man, it will cease at death; of that you may be certain.

“I never had a perfect gift until I had a perfect Christ!” —Brother Lester Roloff, a quote from the sermon titled: “The Sin Of The Unstirred Church”

I read in world news last week that homosexual singer, Sir Elton John (he looks rough and tired), has been elevated by the English Crown from that of “Knighthood” to “Champion of Honor”! Champion of honor? Oh boy, what will the world think of next? Mr. John has no honor! What saith the Scripture? John 5:41-44, “I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?” Hollywood falls all over themselves with awards, self-recognition and false honors. Truly, they haven't the foggiest idea what “HONOR” really is. Proverb 22:4, “By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life.” Proverb 21:21, “He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour.” You don't obtain honor by taking your clothes off for the movie camera to capture, for all the world to lust upon. You don't find honor by taking God's name in vain in a film, to be echoed tens of millions of times throughout the halls of time. No sinner who glorifies sin is honorable. Homosexuality is shameful! Hollywood Jews have no conception of HONOR! As we just read, the inspired Holy Bible says honor begins with the fear of God and humility.

Michael Seewald #fundie seewalds.com

(from Jessa Duggar's father-in-law)

As it stands criminal charges were not brought against Josh but I believe that Josh’s parents acted in a way that godly parents should. They did not turn a blind eye, but earnestly sought help from the church, counselors, and eventually the police. Maybe they didn’t do it in a way that pleases everyone, but they acted decisively to confront the sin, to call a penitent son back from his errors, and to seek to aid the hurting victims. In the end Josh sought forgiveness from those he wronged, repented of his sins, and came to trust Christ as his Savior. He has to the present day attested to the reality of his repentance and faith by living above reproach. In their efforts to salvage the wreckage that these transgressions brought, and bring healing to all involved, Jim Bob and Michelle are to be commended.

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Some people act as if it was the Duggar’s responsibility to have made this sad episode in their family public knowledge. They are to be praised for not hiding this from the appropriate parties and eventually the police, but they owed it to no one else to publicize the sins of a minor child and the court agrees with that assessment, the judge now ordering that the police report be destroyed. But the cat is already out of the bag. How many of you would broadcast the sins of your children to the whole world? Would you be willing to publicize your own darkest moments? It is miserable indeed that someone was willing to illegally obtain a police investigation involving minor children and publish it for whatever nefarious purpose they had in mind.

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Are Jim Bob and Michelle to be scolded for raising their children with high moral standards and this moral failing evidence that they are legalistic hypocrites? No. Although individual Christian family’s interpretation of God’s moral standards may vary somewhat in practical ways they are right in holding high moral standards. It is always our duty to live a godly life, and even when we fail, God’s moral standards found in the Bible don’t change. It is by our inability to live up to them that we understand our need of a Savior. Are the Duggars perfect in their interpretation of God’s moral standards? No. But neither is anyone else. They may be stricter than some which comes with certain difficulties but there are also many difficulties on the other end of the spectrum in being lenient. Is it helpful to tweak our parenting practices if the results are less than desirable. Yes, we should constantly be learning and growing as parents and change when we see a better way, yet no parenting method is without flaw. The heart of the matter is do you have a good relationship with your children? From my perspective, this is where Jim Bob and Michelle excel.

The Great Exchange

So, what is the ultimate answer? The answer is what Josh found and millions like him. He found forgiveness and cleansing from Jesus Christ. There are many of you that are reading these words right now having had thoughts and deeds no better than what Josh had and did. You are a sinner. You are a sinner by birth and choice. It is because of that corruption that is common to all that you have violated God’s holy commandments. If you continue in your present course Jesus Christ himself will judge you unworthy of eternal life. But he has graciously provided the only way of salvation and that is by trusting in him and his atoning death on the cross as the payment that God requires to absolve you of the guilt of your sins. Listen to the words of the apostle Paul about the forgiveness found in Christ. “In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;” Ephesians 1:7. Christ spilled his blood to redeem us from the bondage of sin and death. This was accomplished by his taking our sins upon himself and being punished in our place.

Hope For Sinners

Here is a warning for everyone reading this, by condemning a repentant sinner you have placed yourself in the place of God. Jesus said, “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” Matthew 7:2. We are never to condone sin, and the sins of Josh’s youth are reprehensible. Civil penalties are sometimes required and we should never begrudge the victims of crimes or the civil authorities from seeking justice, but we are not to condemn repentant sinners in our hearts or with our tongues or pens. Though consequences are sometimes necessary and desired to uphold civil society and to bring temporary justice, Jesus forgives repentant sinners, real sinners: murderers, thieves, child molesters, homosexuals, self righteous church goers, the proud, liars, scoffers, atheists, hypocrites, and any other sinner or combination of them all. All that is required is to come to Jesus confessing that you are a sinner and with faith that his death will avail for you. He will receive you and begin the process of salvaging your life for his glory.

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I want to say that the Seewald family stands with the Duggar family in solidarity. We stand with the unnamed victims of these incidents. Our thoughts and prayers are for you. I want to say to Josh, hang in there, the shame you feel is legitimate, yet Jesus took your shame as he was punished in your place. Rest in his forgiveness and grace. Remember that he gives you his righteousness as a covering for your shame. Let this trial in your life build humility and grace. Don’t be angry at the world for their hatred of you. Show them through your love for them that it is Jesus Christ that made all the difference in your life. I’m rooting for you.

Chris #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Catholicism is not Christianity. Catholicism is a cult that teaches a false gospel of works ("sacraments") that leads to eternal hell (Galatians 1:6-9).

Catholicism cannot save. Only Jesus saves.

The only way to go to heaven and not to eternal hell is by believing in this life that Jesus, who is God, died for our sins on the cross and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe this and you are saved!

Please pray now: "Jesus, please forgive me of my sins. I believe that You died on the cross for my sins and You rose again. Thank You for eternal life!" You will be in heaven with Him forever when you die :)

Got Questions ministries #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "If I convert to Christianity, my family will disown me, and I will be persecuted. Should I follow Jesus?"

Answer: Converting to Christianity means becoming a follower of Jesus by faith (John 10:26-30). Crowds flocked to Jesus, but most were not His true followers. They just wanted to experience healing of their diseases, see Jesus cast out demons, and eat their fill of the bread He miraculously provided. Jesus warned them of the cost of following Him.

“Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: ‘If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels’” (Mark 8:34-38).

Would you follow your own fleshly desires, or would you deny yourself and follow Jesus? Do you value your earthly life or eternal life? Do you treasure the goods of this world or the salvation of your soul? Do you fear being ashamed of Jesus or fear Jesus being ashamed of you?

You pursue what you treasure. You go to work and sweat because you know the rewards of a paycheck outweigh the temporary pleasure of reclining at home in front of the T.V. If Jesus calls you, you will follow, knowing that losing your earthly life is worth gaining eternal life.

Would you follow Jesus? Count the cost (Luke 14:25-33):

• Following Jesus costs your own life. Jesus said you must deny yourself, taking up your cross. One who rejects the cross cannot be Christ’s disciple (Luke 14:27).

• Following Jesus may cost the loss of family and friends. Jesus said His coming often brings division between His followers and their families, friends, and the world. Anyone who does not hate (meaning love less) his family is not worthy of Christ (Matthew 10:32-39).

• Following Jesus may cost the loss of your possessions. One rich man proudly thought he was good enough to go to heaven. “Jesus said to him, ‘If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me’” (Matthew 19:21). Loving wealth more, the rich man sadly forsook Jesus.

• Following Jesus will cost facing persecution. Christians should expect suffering as a normal part of belonging to the “man of sorrows” (See Isaiah 53 and John 15:18-21). Jesus even called the persecuted one “blessed,” saying “rejoice and be glad for your reward in heaven is great” (See Matthew 5:10-12).

God’s people have always faced persecution. The prophets were reviled, tortured, and killed (Hebrews 11:37). History records that ten of Jesus’ disciples were executed for preaching Christ. Tradition states that Peter insisted on being crucified upside down because he counted himself unworthy to die in the same manner as his Lord. Yet he wrote, “If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of God and of glory rests on you” (1 Peter 4:14). The apostle Paul was jailed, beaten, shipwrecked, and stoned numerous times for preaching Christ, but he considered suffering not even worth mentioning compared to the reward he knew awaited in paradise (Romans 8:18).

Following Jesus doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll lose your possessions, family, friends, and physical life, but are you willing?

While the cost of discipleship seems high, persecution brings earthly and heavenly rewards. Through persecution, the Lord stays with believers (Matthew 28:20; Hebrews 13:5); He knows their limits and gives grace (1 Corinthians 10:13; 2 Corinthians 12:9); He rewards them in heaven (Matthew 5:10-12); He works persecution for good, shaping the believer’s character and glorifying Himself (Romans 8:28). The rewards far outweigh the cost of following Jesus!

Jesus suffered and died on the cross to take the believer’s punishment for sin. The only way of forgiveness and eternal life is through faith in the Lord Jesus (Ephesians 2:8-9). Although a Christian’s enduring persecution does not add any saving merit to the perfect work of Christ, a true believer will faithfully follow Jesus through suffering.

BannerOfTruth #fundie reddit.com

Why do you boast in evil, O mighty men. The goodness of the LORD endures forever. But your tongues devise destruction, like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. You love EVIL more than good, lying rather than speaking righteousness. You love all devouring words, you and your deceitful tongue. GOD WILL LIKEWISE DESTROY YOU FOREVER; HE shall take you away and pluck you out of your dwelling place, and uproot you from the land of the living. The righteous also shall see and fear, and shall laugh at him saying, "here is the men who did not make GOD their strength, but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened themselves in their wickedness". But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God; I trust in the MERCY of GOD forever and ever. I will praise You forever , because YOU HAVE DONE IT; and in the presence of Your saints I will wait on YOUR NAME, for it is good. PSALM 52 The FOOL has said in his heart "There is no God" You have deceived yourselves. It is not too late to turn from this wickedness. Repent and turn to the Lord. He is FULL of mercy and forgiveness. You are resisting HIM! Think of righteousness, compassion, peace, joy and love. Call upon His name while it is still called " Today". DO NOT continue to harden you heart. Think of ETERNITY. You KNOW how this ends. DO NOT REGRET THIS FOREVER...."weeping and gnashing of teeth"

E-Yage Bowens #fundie miamiherald.com

A Miami man who claims to be a “sovereign citizen” must serve a whopping 485 years in prison for repeatedly raping a 16-year-old and forcing her to cut herself as a form of punishment.

A judge this week handed down the sentence for E-Yage Bowens, a 40-year-old salesman who insisted that he was immune from U.S. laws. At one pretrial hearing, Bowens represented himself and even cross-examined the teenage victim, an honors student who is now bound for college on a scholarship.

At trial in May, jurors took less than three hours to convict Bowens of sexual battery and child abuse. Circuit Judge Stephen Millan handed down the stiffest sentence allowed for the convictions.

Miami-Dade police arrested Bowens in January 2011 after the girl told her mother that the man forced himself on her for months “for the purpose of teaching her how to connect through sexual energy with her future sexual partners.”

As punishment for disobeying him, Bowens also forced her to cut her hands and feet, prosecutor Laura Adams told jurors during trial.

Bowens has, over the years, filed an array of handwritten lawsuits against attorneys and judges involved in his criminal case. “I do not now nor have I ever lived in the United States,” he wrote in one. “Nor do I have any intentions of doing so in the future.”

All the lawsuits have failed.

Post-Bathtub-Leviathon Award

His Insanity Level Is Over Nine Thousand!

Anonymous #fundie #god-complex en.minghui.org

Police officers in our area have been frequently knocking on practitioners' doors recently in a harassment campaign. To eliminate the evil in other dimensions, my mother and I began to send righteous thoughts every day for three to four hours each time.

One day, I saw a huge pipe in the air. One end led to the local police department, while a monk wearing a thick black robe sat at the other end. This monk was one of the old force gods and was directing the police to persecute Dafa disciples.

As I sent righteous thoughts, my body began to emit rows of pure, white lotus flowers. They floated to the police department and moved up the pipe to the monk. However, as soon as they touched the monk's body, they were corroded.

I asked Master for help and immediately felt my body becoming huge. The lotus flowers that came out of my body changed from white to gold. They landed on the old monk's body and slowly eroded his black robe.

The old monk turned into a young monk and pleaded for mercy. I continued to send righteous thoughts. I saw Master put him into a huge sack and throw the sack into a vat next to the police department. A lotus flower covered the top of the vat, while a fire burned at the bottom of it.

Another old god replaced the monk. He was instantly captured and changed into a cute little monk, hoping that I would spare his life. I put him into a sack and threw the sack into the vat.

After the first meddling god was destroyed, a thick, sticky coat made of tiny spirits was all that was left. They turned into black, sticky oil. I asked Master for help and used fire to burn them. Once the evil was eliminated, the pipe used to send evil spirits to the police department turned into a golden energy column.

The scene changed to the local courtroom. I saw two old force gods in the sky above. I caught them in a sack and put them into the vat to be destroyed. Master asked me to search for the old force god's main spirit. I managed to find it, and Master blasted it to shreds. The vat was also destroyed at the same time. The shreds were absorbed by the lotus flowers.

Earlier, I saw an evil spirit in my house. When I looked for it, I found it trapped in a corner by the lotus flowers. I eliminated it, and the lotus flower cleaned up the black substance left behind. I could feel the bad substances in my surrounding area being cleaned up by the lotus flowers.

I also saw the police officers who were harassing Dafa disciples becoming weak, as if they had lost their spirits. Each time I sent righteous thoughts throughout the following days, I saw the police officers who were involved in persecuting practitioners thrown into hell. The police department and courtroom were razed to the ground. Master set a golden shield over the area. His law body, gods and dragons were sent to guard the shield.

Through this period of frequently sending righteous thoughts for long periods of time, I experienced the power of believing in Master and the Fa. I also realized the importance of studying the Fa and sending righteous thoughts.

As I wrote this sharing, I suddenly thought of Master's teaching:

“Our Falun Dafa will protect practitioners from deviating. How does it protect you? If you are a true practitioner, our Falun will safeguard you. I am rooted in the universe. If anyone can harm you, he or she would be able to harm me. Put simply, that person would be able to harm this universe.” (Zhuan Falun)

R. Scott Clark #fundie monergism.com

Is God Capricious?


HC Q. 12. Since then by the righteous judgment of God we deserve temporal and eternal punishment, how may we escape this punishment and be again received into favor?

God wills that His justice be satisfied;1 therefore we must make full satisfaction to the same, either by ourselves or by another.2 1 Exodus 20:5. Exodus 23:7. 1 Romans 8:3,4.With this question we begin considering the second part of the catechism or the "grace" section of "guilt, grace, and gratitude."

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One of the great misconceptions about the Augustinian doctrine of divine sovereignty, which was restated by the Protestant Reformers and which came to expression in the Reformed confessions, is that it makes God arbitrary or capricious.

Without reflection or if we start from the wrong place, the acts of God might seem arbitrary. After all, during the fires, one house was taken and one was left behind. It's not evident that there is any way to say that this house was taken but that one was left because of anything intrinsic to each house. It's a mystery of providence. Of course folk frequently and falsely set up cause and effect relations to explain providence but Jesus isn't having any of it (see John 9). This fact, however, does not mean that we cannot say anything about God's justice nor does it mean that God is really capricious. The charge that the God of Scripture is capricious rests ultimately on the assumption that unless we can explain his actions then we may sit in judgment upon them and him. In other words, the charge rests upon rationalism. Of course we cannot explain all of God's acts and we cannot explain fully any of them! His ways are are higher than our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts. If he did explain himself fully it would consume us. We are not capable of understanding.

If we consider that God always acts according to his nature, then he cannot be said to be arbitrary, especially if we concede that God's understanding of his justice transcends our ability to comprehend it. That is a great difference between the triune God of Holy Scripture revealed in Christ Jesus and Allah or fate. The god of Islam really is capricious. He may forgive or he may not. No one can know. Allah cannot be known. He is utterly hidden. Indeed, he isn't even really personal. The alleged identity of Yahweh and Allah is a great myth of liberalism and universalism. Such a claim is an insult both to Christianity and to Islam.

The God of Scripture is, in himself, hidden from us but he also reveals himself to us and what he reveals to us is true. There is a great divide between the Creator and the creature. We cannot know things as God knows them and we cannot know God as he knows himself, but we can know God because he has come to us and made himself known. He has revealed himself in creation and in redemption and chiefly in his Son, the Word: Jesus the Messiah.

We can correlate God's promises to his saving acts in redemptive history. We can and must count him faithful to fulfill his law and his promises. He threatens judgment for sin. He threatens death for sin and he fulfills that curse (Gen 2:17; Exod 20:5). The whole history of the Israelite holy war against Canaan is the history of God's righteous judgment upon unbelief and sin. He says: "…I will not acquit the guilty" (Exod 23:7). Every human being is personally obligated to produce perfect righteousness before God (Ex 34:7; Ez 18.4,20; 2 Thess 1:8-10; Gal 3:10). Unlike Allah, the God who is, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, is not arbitrary. He cannot contradict himself. He cannot be what he is not. He cannot do what is contrary to his nature and his nature is just.

The universal testimony of Scripture is that God's righteousness must be satisfied. Scripture also testifies, however, that God is gracious and merciful. He is merciful in that he does not give to all sinners what they deserve: hell (thanks to Danny Hyde for repeatedly pointing this out on Sunday mornings!) and he is gracious in that he gives to sinners what they cannot earn: his favor. Out of his demerited favor he himself supplies the righteousness required by his justice. I'm grateful to the person at the recent Gospel-Driven Conference at Ponte Vedra PCA who pointed out after one of the sessions that, in Ezek 16:63, Yahweh Elohim promises that he himself will atone for the sins of his people. Of course we remember the scene in Genesis 15 when Yahweh himself passes between the pieces, taking upon himself the obligation to fulfill the promise and to suffer the penalty of violation of the covenant.

This is the difference between biblical religion and all other religions. Only the God of Scripture promises to save his people by fulfilling the obligations of his law for them. All other faiths set up systems whereby we must do for ourselves or, as in the case of Rabbinic and Christian moralism, God gives grace so that we can do so ourselves.

In the biblical faith, however, God meets the terms of his righteousness for us. This is where grace and righteousness meet: in Christ. For us he became both righteous law-keeper (Second/Last Adam) and the Mediator of gracious, free salvation sola fide to and for all those for whom he came, whom the Father gave to him from all eternity.

Unknown author #fundie en.minghui.org

I was born into an intellectual family. After graduating from high school, I was admitted to a well-known university in Beijing. I married a person with only an elementary school education. My husband smoked, drank and gambled. I liked arts and music. We often fought, so I asked for a divorce, but he refused. A coworker introduced me to Falun Dafa in the spring of 1999, and I stepped on the path of cultivation. I recovered from rhinitis, breast hyperplasia and other illnesses. I totally changed and was no longer unhappy. About 10 days after I obtained Dafa, I saw the book Zhuan Falun emitting white light. A rotating wheel the size of a car tire appeared in front of me. Three small yellow Falun came out of the wheel. I was nervous and excited. I realized Master was encouraging me to further strengthen my confidence in Dafa cultivation. I often saw words in Zhuan Falun become three-dimensional and emit golden or multi-colored light.

When my son was two years old, I often read the Fa to him and played Master's audio lectures for him. I told him cultivation stories in a way he could understand and taught him how to be a good kid. He always listened with great interest. On two occasions, while I was reading the Fa to him, I saw a person who looked the same as him sitting up from his sleeping body. I realized that my son's main consciousness came out and was eager to study the Fa. My son's celestial eye was open. He often saw colorful Falun and divine beings, which prompted me to cultivate diligently and take care of this little Dafa disciple. Several months after I began practicing Dafa, Jiang Zemin (former Chinese Communist Party leader) launched the cruel persecution of Falun Dafa. However, I was certain that Dafa and Master were good and continued to practice Dafa with my son.

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In his junior year of high school, his ranking in his class moved from the bottom to the top. His teachers and classmates were surprised by his changes. But, he was still addicted to computer games. I downloaded articles from the Minghui website about playing computer games to show him the harm they caused. I sent forth righteous thoughts in my son's bedroom. After finishing sending forth righteous thoughts, I rested on my son's bed and woke to demons pinching me. I wondered why there were demons there after I had sent forth righteous thoughts. I realized that this room was not clean. My son played computer games, and the room was full of low-spirited life, extraterrestrial life, and all kinds of demons. I sent righteous thoughts again. I felt enormous energy coming out of my palm, and the Falun in my celestial eye was rotating quickly. I could tell Master was reinforcing me.

Soon after that, my son told me that he gave away his game card and was determined not to play video games anymore. My son has become a mature practitioner with a cheerful personality. Master has never given up on him, and Dafa is deeply rooted in his heart. We try to be good people by following the principles of Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance. During this persecution, Dafa practitioners’ children have suffered tribulations that everyday people cannot imagine. After returning home from prison, many practitioners felt helpless to correct the changes in their children. In fact, their children’s performance also reflects the parents’ cultivation state.

Unnamed Sudanese judge #fundie bbc.com

"We gave you three days to recant but you insist on not returning to Islam. I sentence you to be hanged to death," the judge told the woman, AFP reports.

Amnesty International condemned the sentence, handed down by a judge in Khartoum, as "appalling and abhorrent".

Local media report the sentence would not be carried out for two years after she has given birth.

Sudan has a majority Muslim population, which is governed by Islamic law. It rules that apostasy - the abandonment of one's religious faith - is a crime.

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The judge also sentenced the woman to 100 lashes after convicting her of adultery - because her marriage to a Christian man was not valid under Islamic law.

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Amnesty International said the woman, Meriam Yehya Ibrahim Ishag, was raised as an Orthodox Christian, her mother's religion, because her father, a Muslim, was reportedly absent during her childhood.

In court, the judge addressed her by her Muslim name, Adraf Al-Hadi Mohammed Abdullah.

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There were small groups of protesters outside the court - both her supporters and those who back the punishment.

[Bolding mine]

Aetherapologist #fundie reddit.com

Sex with children isn't non-violent or harmless. Talk to the majority of victims of sexual molestation and ask them if they weren't emotionally harmed by the people who attacked them. There are small children who literally die from internal injuries after being assaulted by adults. Children usually don't have the knowledge or ability to protect themselves from STDs, pregnancy, or any other injury that might happen. Anyone of ANY age is usually negatively impacted by another person coercing sneaky, non-consensual sexual interactions on them. You can try and call it societal conditioning if you want, but this is the society you live in and neither children nor adults are going out of their way to endorse molestation.


I'm not convinced your last sentence contained an argument. It gives the appearance of explaining why my criticism of cultural conditioning is somehow irrelevant, but I fail to see what that explanation is. Are you saying my criticism is irrelevant because I live in the culture I'm criticizing? Why do you think that? Do you believe all activism is wrong because those who try to incite change live in the communities they are trying to change? And are you saying my call for change is irrelevant because no one is saying they want to be molested? I am not arguing to permit forcing anyone into sex against their will and so your criticism doesn't apply. You are arguing in the unimaginative way people do when they aren't interested in using reason to win an argument but instead only rely on outrage to bully the other party into feeling intimidated.
The way you dismiss my cultural conditioning argument gives the impression you believe all that matters is children are being harmed by sexual activity and it doesn't matter why it's happening. In order to justify criminalization of pedophilia for the reason that it doesn't matter if cultural conditioning is the reason why children experience trauma from sex, but that the fact trauma is caused is all that matters, it would have to be true that punishment for breaking this taboo is in and of itself sufficient a reason to criminalize it. Children are traumatized because of cultural conditioning. In what universe is threat of punishment for breaking a rule a good reason to punish those who break it? That's literally the same thing as saying pedophilia is wrong because it is punished. That's what it means when you claim societal conditioning makes sexual activity with children wrong.


You need a better reason to punish than just saying, "If you don't do as I say, you'll be punished." Cultural conditioning does NOT mean something benign like being taught the difference between right and wrong or learning about the "right" way to live through example. It specifically means punishment and threat of punishment. The specific claim I am making is children are traumatized because of the ultra severe punishments people suffer for breaking this taboo. If a child didn't show guilt and shame and fear and trauma, or some deep sense of wrongness for the sexual activity, but instead expressed positive feelings about it and a defiance to authority and of their condemnation of it, they would be punished harshly. And that punishment would get worse and worse as they got older until they became positively vilified and ostracized by society. They would be a pariah rejected by almost everyone they know. The punishments you are a supporter of is the reason why children experience trauma from harmless sexual activity.


If you are going to allow the accounts of people who report deeply negative experiences from sexual activity with a pedophile to inform your beliefs about the inherent harmfulness of it, then you are obligated to allow the reports of positive experiences to shape your beliefs as well. The reason why it takes hard work to find personal accounts of those who report positive experiences with a pedophile, and why almost all of them are anonymous, is because of the rejection and vilification people face from doing so. Anyone who gives a positive account of engaging in sexual activity with an adult as a child is treated with dismissiveness and condescension. They are belittled and treated as though they have nothing of value to say and they become a pariah. On the other hand, when someone says they had a negative experience, they are listened to and their opinion is valued. That is hypocritical. The fact that sexual feelings and activities are not inherently distressing in childhood, but that they are instead inherently pleasurable, is proof that you're wrong to believe it was the sexual activity which traumatized the people who give accounts of being harmed by a child molester. They were either forced against their will by a heartless and uncaring rapist, and possibly even injured in the process, or they weren't forced into sex acts but only later came to learn of the severe disgust and hatred everyone has for pedophiles, and so the sickening fear of being severely punished for not feeling a deep sense of wrongness caused the child to feel a deep sense of wrongness for the activities. It is systems of rewards and punishments that give humans their sense of right and wrong for whatever society they live in. But things aren't right or wrong simply because they happen to be rewarded or punished.


There is no stage during human development when a child cannot express willingness or unwillingness to be involved in whatever they're brought to be involved in. Physical injury would result in an immediate distress reaction and no responsible caretaker is going to heartlessly ignore cries of pain. It's already the case that parents and caretakers who fail in their duty to keep their children safe and who cause them harm due to negligence or cruelty are punished for it. And so you are foolish to believe sexual activity would result in internal injuries to a child.
Children do not need the knowledge or ability to protect themselves from anything. That's what caretakers are for. Children are protected on a daily basis from drowning and car accidents and abduction in public places. For the same reason there is no need to criminalize swimming and car rides and traveling through busy public places, there's no need to criminalize sexual activity in order to protect children from unwanted pregnancies and STD's and sexual bullies and violent rapists. There is no danger inherent to sexual activity that a responsible caretaker cannot protect their child from.
Children are forced against their will into doing a very lot of things, and yet they aren't traumatized for it. I'm opposed to forcing anyone of any age into doing anything ever, but apparently, unless a child is forced into something to the point of unbearable anguish, they aren't traumatized for it. Sexual activity doesn't possess any feature that makes it uniquely different in some important way from all the other things kids are brought to be involved in. You are unjustified in your support of violence for non-violent activities.

SpecterSparten #fundie youtube.com

No, it was not a good reason, here's a good reason to get angry, a communist murders 69 million people in China, that's a great reason to be infuriated but to channel that anger into something productive and to over time forgive those people and help the victims of that terrible crime committed on the killing fields, greed, is not a just reason to be angry, it is unjust and petty. Anger without a just reason is a sin, all sins are compared the same by God because all are worthy of eternal punishment. God is eternally higher than us, the higher up you get, the higher the consequence, therefore the penalty for sin is eternal punishment. This is called logic.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

Taking the Lord's name in vain is a sure sign of hubris (overbearing pride) in a person's life. Pride is that sin in man which exalts itself against a holy God in Heaven. We are all awful sinners, deserving of Hell. God pity the wretched man who curses in God's name. And woe unto the man or woman who carelessly curses in God's name to make money in a Hollywood movie. If you are a professed atheist, ask yourself why men always mention God in their greatest moments of pain, pleasure, emotion and anger. The answer is obvious, i.e., there is a God (Romans 1:20).

Nearly every Hollywood movie ever produced is saturated with blasphemy against the Lord Jesus Christ, cursing in God's holy name. Taking the Lord's name in vain is the unholy insignia of Hollywood. If I could do so legally, I'd burn Hollywood to the ground and convict all of Hollywood for their crimes against God and the American family. Everyone involved with Hollywood has much blood on their hands. Deuteronomy 5:11, “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”

Taking the Lord's name in vain is terrible enough when a person is angry or frustrated, but cursing in the Lord's name is infinitely worse when it is deliberately done in thousands of Hollywood movie scripts. Jim Cameron, Stephen Spielberg, George Lucas, John Carpenter, and hundreds more Hollywood directors all deliberately and habitually use the Lord's name in vain. They intend to use God's name in vain. They hate the Lord Jesus Christ!!! Hell will be hot enough!!! It will be a wonderful day when the wicked are brought to justice in eternity (Isaiah 13:11; Ecclesiastes 12:14; Revelation 20:12-15). In eternity, at The Great White Throne of Judgment, the books shall be opened, and the unsaved dead will be judged according to their works.

For every single time that Jim Cameron, Sigourney Weaver, Harrison Ford, Kurt Russell, Stephen Spielberg and each individual blasphemer of God took the Lord's name in vain, their punishment in Hell will be incrementally be made worse. Literally, their Hell will be that much hotter. Mark God's word from Deuteronomy 5:11. Jesus warned in Matthew 12:36 that men shall give account for every idle word spoken. How much more shall all men give account for their irreverent words against God and His only begotten Son!!!

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You deserve Hell today, at McDonalds!

Americans are saturated with selfish pride, which compels them to commit adultery, have abortions, take advantage of others and commit all manner of wickedness against God. We are a sinful people! The greatest sin of all is pride. If we want to abstain from committing evil, then we must continually war against pride when it rears its ugly head in our life. I suggest memorizing Philippians 2:3-5. When you feel anger, resentment or envy toward others, recite this passage of Scripture and pray for God to help you be humble and love OTHERS.

You can be a humble person and yet be overcome with sinful pride in a moment's time. Pride is a sin that we all contend with daily, especially in a selfish consumer-oriented, materialistic, American culture that continually appeals to our selfish desires and egos to sell products. For example: McDonalds says, “You deserve a break today!” In truth, we all deserve to burn in Hell today. Could you imagine driving down the street, hearing a singing advertisement over the radio... “You deserve Hell today, at McDonalds!” Or how about Burger King's ads which say, “Have it your way! Have it your way!” Biblically, we ought to have it God's way. Do you see how humanistic sinful pride saturates our heathen culture? As Christians we must always be on-guard against these type of sinful suggestive philosophies that fill our hearts with pride.

Anytime you gossip, condemn, point fingers or criticize OTHERS for their sins, faults or shortcomings, it is only because your heart is filled with wicked self-righteous pride, the worst sin of all. Matthew 7:3-5, “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.” Biblically, a “hypocrite” is someone who view another person as being a bigger sinner than them self. You sorry rascal; you dirty devil; you're just as wicked as the next sinner, and so am I. Don't judge OTHERS because they sin differently than you do. We are all sinners deserving of God's wrath and eternal punishment.

Thankfully, God sent His only begotten Son into the world to pay the price for our sins, to ransom us back to God the Father. Through faith, anyone, even the vilest sinner, can be forgiven and made whole in Christ Jesus. Salvation is not doing your best, it is having Christ's best put to your account through receiving Him by faith. Jesus is precious!

Truth Preacher #fundie patheos.com

(A Christian blogger compare God in the Book of Joshua to Megatron)


This is utter garbage. God is A RIGHTEOUS JUDGE. He can judge people, tribes and nations, and TAKE BACK the LIFE that HE GAVE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, and NONE OF YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Who are you to accuse your Maker??? Let us take this EVEN FURTHER. In Genesis 6, we find a grieved and broken-hearted God deciding, based on the wickedness, corruption and violence of humanity TO DESTROY ALL LIFE ON EARTH. Every single man, woman, child and animal. HE IS GOD. HE IS HOLY. HE HAS THE SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO JUDGE WICKEDNESS AND PUNISH THE WICKED.
Gutless Christians DON'T BELIEVE GOD HAS THE RIGHT TO PUNISH SIN AND SINNERS, BUT HE DOES. Renew your minds before you become complete apostates.

many Rapture Readians #fundie rr-bb.com

*bill maher's new movie*

yes, he's very bitter.
he's like the mean kid at the beach who steps on your sandcastle.
he can't figure out how to build his own, so he ruins yours
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Little boy Maher is just mad because Ben Stein did "Expelled; no intelligence allowed," and he can't deal with it.
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Bill mahre of the world is living proof that eternal punishment in Hell is Just.
He's ignorance of facts reminds me of Madmen like Saddam, Lennin, Mao his heroes. His attitude reminds me of Lucifer. The mans is a rebel till the very end.
Pray for his soul because the pain and torment he will feel in hell if he maintains his path will be his own doing
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Christians are easy targets...we have that whole forgiveness thing that steps in the way..we havent started killing people for making fun of our religion...I believe the name of the movie is Religiosity...
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I also saw him on the Colbert Report...he was stating that he's doesn't want Palin anywhere near the white house because she believes in fairytales which makes a person delusional. This man needs some serious prayer!

Unknown author #fundie en.minghui.org

As a young Falun Dafa practitioner, I face tribulations, just as older practitioners do. However, often with the support of those older than I, problems were resolved and I improved on my cultivation path. The local police were harassing practitioners who had sued Jiang Zemin, the former Communist Party leader who launched the persecution of Falun Dafa. Many practitioners were arrested.

One evening my father failed to pick me up from school, nor could I find him at home. I became worried and many negative thoughts entered my mind. I then contacted my mother. She had me check our home for any signs of disturbance. Then, she wanted me to contact another practitioner if my father was not home by 11:00 p.m., so we could hide all Dafa materials. As father did not come home, Ms. Chen, the other practitioner, and I packed and moved all Dafa materials and took them to her home.

My father's employer said that he had been arrested the day before by local police officers, because he had filed a suit against Jiang Zemin. Other practitioners advised me what to do and helped reinforce my righteous thoughts. I sent forth righteous thoughts to eliminate all interference preventing my father from returning home.

At the police station I was given the runaround, with no one telling me who arrested my father. After going there several times I realized that I was not diligent on my cultivation path and still had a lot of attachments. I then thought about using my relatives' connections, but in the end, Mother and I did not think this to be a viable solution. Practitioners divided into groups to rescue my father. Some mailed letters, some made phone calls, and others sent forth righteous thoughts.

Besides, I was told that clarifying the facts to people who work in the judicial, police and procuratorate departments would be beneficial. It would help them understand the unjust nature of the persecution and change their actions. When I came home, police officers handed me a blank “search warrant” document. They found some truth-clarification materials that I forgot to hide. First I was a bit afraid, but put my fears aside and talked to them about Dafa. They changed their attitude and sympathized with me. In the end my father was released from the detention center after 15 days.

After a few days, I was told that one of the police officers who had come to my home quit his job and accepted a position unrelated to the government. Prior to writing the university entrance exam, I was not doing well in the arts, which was my chosen major. Others at school had low expectations of me. I knew that this was the old forces trying to discourage me through ordinary people. I did not want to give up. I believe that what Master had arranged for me was the best. Not only was I admitted to a prestigious university, but I was also awarded a scholarship.

When I was younger, a prestigious primary school refused to accept me due to my low IQ. My mother became my tutor, but I still struggled. My mother then decided to stop teaching me, and instead she and I studied Zhuan Falun for three months. After that I did well and even won an award in a math competition in fourth grade.

The university entrance examination results were published, and I did very well. I wanted to tell everyone. I checked online and realized that my classmates did not do as well as I did. I was even more proud of myself. After Fa-study, I recognized that I had the mentality of showing off and zealotry. For instance, after my dad was released from the detention center, a few practitioners praised me, which made me very proud.

When reading Master's Fa, I realized that I had nothing to show off, as everything is bestowed upon us by Master. I also had jealousy, such as, when other people had higher marks than me, I felt unbalanced in my heart. These were serious attachments I had to let go. Studying the Fa helped me eliminate these attachments. Besides the above attachments I also found that when I played with my cell phone, I became agitated. My mother said that I changed into another person.

This made me truly realize the negative impact brought about by one's playing with the cell phone and having a show-off and jealous mentality. Diligent Fa study helped me let go of my attachments and incorrect notions.

All About Life Challenges #fundie allaboutlifechallenges.org

[On a page providing information on Bipolar Disorder. Not a user comment, it is part of the website's page. Jesus will cure your BD!]

What do you think?

We have all sinned and deserve God's judgment. God, the Father, sent His only Son to satisfy that judgment for those who believe in Him. Jesus, the creator and eternal Son of God, who lived a sinless life, loves us so much that He died for our sins, taking the punishment that we deserve, was buried, and rose from the dead according to the Bible. If you truly believe and trust this in your heart, receiving Jesus alone as your Savior, declaring, "Jesus is Lord," you will be saved from judgment and spend eternity with God in heaven.

Yes, today I am deciding to follow Jesus ||| Yes, I am already a follower of Jesus ||| I still have questions

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

A Catholic man recently assured me that he believes the Bible. He said he believes that Jesus died on the cross, was buried, and rose again 3-days later. He said he believed that Jesus' blood washes our sins away. Boy, he sure sounds like a Christians doesn't he? Nope! He's also trusting in his good works to merit him salvation. He's relying on his baptism into the Catholic Church, his daily reciting of the Rosary, and his keeping of the holy Eucharist to get him into Heaven. He is attempting to break into Heaven, as a thief. The Bible is adamantly clear that a person CANNOT get to Heaven by their own works (Romans 4:5; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5). ADDING works to faith is self-righteousness. Listen to what Romans 10:3,4 has to say about those who ADD works to faith... "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Do you understand that? The purpose of the Law is to show us our sinfulness, i.e., our NEED for a Savior. The ONLY way to Heaven is by FAITH ALONE in Jesus Christ.

AGgal #fundie community.qvc.com

"Something I don't think you understand is that the bible WAS written by God and the new testament was written by Jesus Christ, who by the way, IS God. No one is condemning or "judging" Ellen, they are simply saying they do not agree that her lifestyle is the "typical" American lifestyle (although some would have us to believe that as well). And, the bible does condemn that particular lifestyle -- ever heard the story about Sodom and Gommorah????

God is waiting to forgive people of their sins, all they have to do is ask for forgiveness and repent (turn away from the sin). He also loves everyone, deeply. He created all of us so why would He not love us??

No, the bible was not written in English, it was written in Hebrew and Latin, which has been translated to English. Since almost all of it has been discovered and verified as original documents, and so many different people have verified the contents, it is safe to say it is, indeed, accurate.

The churches that put a "spin" on the Word, should be ignored, for the most part. I will only listen to someone who teaches the Word of God directly from the bible, book by book, chapter by chapter, verse by verse.

Being a Christian is believing that Jesus Christ came to earth and died for our sins on a cross, was buried and rose again on the third day. It does include love for everyone (love the sinner, hate the sin), but does NOT accept or embrace "any and all opinions." If that were the case, Christians would not be set apart as God's children, i.e., the church.

I do not think I am better than anyone, nor do I judge anyone, but I WILL stand up for what I believe in and will NOT let anyone degrade it. However, you are wrong on this issue. You should pick up a bible and read it, starting in the new testament book of John and go forward from there.

By the way, the Lord is waiting to hear from you. :-x"

RobinD69 #fundie christianityboard.com

I have talked with many gays online trying to reach out to them and no matter what you say or how you say it they are going to take offense if you do not agree with them. Even pointing out that you love them and you are merely concerned for their eternal soul they only see hatred for themselves.

I have even shared some pretty liberal verses with them which they are willing to accept until I offer the context of the verses and then it is back to hatred. If I hated these people I would not be a Christian and in not being a Christian and using their own perspective of justification perhaps I would be the murderer that caused them physical harm and death. Christ saved me from such things to where I am willing to reach out to them in love rather than beat and kill them. They do not associate the two, they do not see the rationalization. As a matter of fact they get offended and say to me how dare to compare homosexuality to murder, but that is exactly what it is, it draws people away from God and sentences them to eternal punishment, but we cannot say that to them because them we are being hateful again. There is no winning when their minds are so twist with than of their sin.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

In the new film “God Is Not Dead 2,” co-produced by David A.R. White, a false Gospel is taught. Toward the end of the film, two actors are portrayed exchanging the Gospel message, in which the audience is influenced to “invite Jesus into your life” and to “follow Jesus as your Savior and Lord.” Kindly, although I loved the inspirational film and admire David White's acting talent, they got the Gospel WRONG! The Word of God plainly defines “the Gospel” as:

1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”

There you have it... Christ DIED (on the cross for our sins), He was BURIED (officially dead and buried), and He RESURRECTED (bodily from the dead) three days later. There is no mention of “following Jesus.” There is no mention of “saying a prayer.” There is no mention of “inviting Jesus into your life.” There is no mention of “turning from one's sins” to be saved. The Gospel is so plain, and it is so easy to be saved, that the apostle Paul called it, “the simplicity that is in Christ” (2nd Corinthians 11:3-4). Nor does the Bible mention “water baptism” as being necessary for salvation. It is not required.

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Furthermore, both the 2014 film “God Is Not Dead” and the new 2016 film “God Is Not Dead 2” feature the worldly music of the “Newsboys” Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) band, who are praised by satanic hellbound Roman Catholics. NEWSBOYS' co-founder and guitarist, George Perdikis, last year renounced and denounced his alleged “Christian” faith and declared himself AN ATHEIST! This doesn't come as a surprise to faithful Christians, who have exposed CCM as of the Devil from the very beginning! Before there was ever a sickly deformed animal known as “Christian Rock,” there was Rock 'N' Roll music! CCM is worldly, all of it! Amy Grant, the diva of CCM, has done more to unite evangelical churches in apostasy with the wicked world than any other person in CCM. She ought to be ashamed! Hellbound Roman Catholics love Amy Grant! Something is VERY wrong with that! In eternity, on Judgment Day, my preaching of THE TRUTH will be vindicated. You cannot make God cool and hip to the world!

I believe that David A.R. White (and others who produce today's popular religious films) are sincere in their faith, but the Bible warns that sincerity can be a road to destruction in hell. Proverbs 14:12, “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” We are plainly warned by the Lord in Matthew 7:21-23, and given a clear example of what will happen to most religious people, when they hear the horrifying words from Christ... I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY!!! Remember, these unsaved people were religious! These unsaved people preached in Jesus' name! These unsaved people did many wonderful works! These unsaved false prophets even cast out Devils in Jesus' name! YET, THEY HAD NEVER BEEN BORN-AGAIN! They failed to rest completely in the finished work of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:10-11).

Just as most unregenerate religious people today, the unsaved religious people in Matthew 7:21-23 were enamored with the name of “Jesus.” So much so that they preached in “Jesus' name” everywhere they went! They declared “Jesus as Lord,” saying “Lord, Lord” everywhere they went (aka, Lordship Salvation). They were good people by man's standards. But they all went to Hell to burn. Take heed my friend. Hear again the Lord's warning in Luke 13:23-24, “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Here again, we see the danger of sincerity. God is no respecter of persons! If you fail to obey the Gospel, by simply receiving the Good News of Christ's sacrificial payment on the cross for your sins—when He died, was buried, and resurrected from the dead the third day—you will not be permitted entrance through Heaven's pearly gates!!!

If you want to make Jesus the “Lord” of your life right away after you get saved, that is fine, but you had BETTER NOT ADD LORDSHIP to the Gospel, OR YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL WHEN YOU DIE! If you choose to pray after you receive the Gospel, that is appropriate, but you had BETTER NOT ADD PRAYER to the Gospel, OR ELSE YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL TO BURN WHEN YOU DIE!!! Don't add anything to the Gospel, just receive it by faith as your own! You can invite Jesus into your life all you want, and spend every day with Him as Judas did, and still die in your sins and go straight to Hell for ever!!! The moment you believe the Gospel by faith, making it your only hope for Heaven, you are saved!!!

David J. Stewart #conspiracy jesus-is-savior.com

While Dr. Kent Hovind rots in prison for 10-years for not applying for a $50 state-license because of his religious convictions, Casey Anthony's mother is acquitted of murdering her child and slapped on the wrist for lying to police repeatedly. Talk about a rigged jury! Scott Peterson didn't receive the same treatment, they crucified him in California. Florida is a corrupt state, which is also where poor Terri Schiavo was murdered. Florida's judges are evil... punishing the righteous, acquitting the wicked, and killing the innocent.

There is no justice anyone in America. While murderers go free, mothers receive life in prison for possession of $40 of cocaine. While people are arrested and dragged into court for growing tomatoes in their front yard, treasonous criminals have taken over the White House and the evil newsmedia protects them, demonizing citizens instead. Sean Hannity is a paid professional liar and a rich stooge for the global elite.

There is a New World Order AN AGENDA to put undue stress upon families in America, to cause as many divorces as possible, to take your home, to take your children... to STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY (John 10:10). Out of chaos the global elite are plotting to build a Godless Global Totalitarian Communist Police State!!! This will be the Beast System of the coming man of sin, a charismatic and influential world dictator, the Antichrist.

Leroy St. Germaine #wingnut #god-complex yourwardnews.com

On August 22, 2019, a lower court judge unexpectedly sentenced our Editor-In-Chief Dr. James Sears to ONE YEAR IN JAIL for cracking jokes about women and Jews. After the judge read out his sentence, Dr. Sears was swarmed by guards, one flashing handcuffs. Dr. Sears calmly handed everything in his possession to his wife and 4 year old son, except for his crucifix which he clutched as the guards handcuffed him and led him off. He was standing tall and beaming with pride. His final words to us were "See you guys!"

But what the lower court judge didn't know is that ever since he convicted us back in January, Dr. Sears has been studying case law. So after spending 5 days in jail, on August 27, 2019, like Jesus, Dr. Sears rose again! He took the paddy wagon from the jail to the courthouse, and handed a kick-ass "Notice of Appeal" to a Superior Court judge. Dr. Sears accused the lower court judge of being biased and giving insufficient reasons for convicting us, and making other legal errors. The Superior Court judge agreed with Dr. Sears that his appeal has merit, and she quickly released him on "Bail Pending Appeal". He walked out of the court and back into the arms of his wife and son, fresh handcuff marks still on his wrists in the same spots where Jesus was wounded when he was nailed to the cross.

One of his bail conditions was to convince me to temporarily take down the Your Ward News website until the appeal is heard in a few months. I agreed to do it to help keep my Christian comrade out of the slammer. I get sentenced on August 29, 2019, and I'll be joining him in an appeal of my conviction and sentence. I'm confident we're both going to win our appeals. When that happens, the website comes back online and we get a brand new trial. And this time around, we're going to win it!

If you have any questions you can contact us at <BailPendingAppeal@YourWardNews.com> or 647-748-4421.

Leroy St. Germaine
Owner and Publisher
Your Ward News

Gali Galit, Messianic, Missionary, Scholastic. #fundie quora.com

//Would you choose to burn in Hell forever, if it turns out that God is pure evil, such as because he slaughters children and tortures people forever, or would you bow down and worship him to save yourself from having to suffer the same fate as others?//

Thank you for the A2A.

“he slaughters children and tortures people forever,” you say.

Someone else once asked me a ridiculous question like yours somewhere else. They posted a video of how “bloodthirsty” God is.

The video cited verses where God punished people by death including:

drowning Pharoah’s army in the sea, failing to mention that they repeatedly refused to obey God and sought to enslave Israel again;
destroying 3,000 people when Moses returned from the Holy mountain with the Lord’s commandments, failing to mention that they were worshipping idols and behaving like wild pagans, despite experiencing several miracles of God which resulted in their freedom from enslavement, and who were even given the choice of choosing God or rejecting Him before God destroyed them. Those who rejected Him, despite gaining their freedom by God’s miracles, were rightfully destroyed;
blasphemers being stoned to death, as per Divine Law;
destroying 600 Philistines! (not nearly enough, imo), failing to mention that they were aggressive, warmongering people who physically threatened Israel’s development as a nation for 200 years, and who continue to do so to this day, putting out “Pallywood” videos, playing the victim to the hilt despite their international war crimes, and promising the destruction of Israel and worldwide Jewish genocide.

The video continues attacking God, using several examples from the Book of Judges, failing to mention that the purpose of the Book of Judges is to show to the consequences of disobeying God. The Book of Judges establishes the recurrent pattern of sin that would dominate the time of the judges. By the end of the book, it is clear that Israel violated her covenant with God in almost every possible way. “Charlie” obviously expected that God should ignore His own Divine Laws, ignore the breaking of the Covenant between Himself and Israel, ignore those trying to destroy Israel which He loves, and expecting that God should just sit on His hands in silence. I wonder if “Charlie” expects police and Court judges to do the same when mortal laws are broken.

The video then continues on to attack the Book of 1 Samuel. Israel had a priesthood that was corrupt. Samuel’s sons who served as judges in Beersheba were also corrupt. The people of Israel showed open disdain for the Word of God, and refused to listen to His prophet, Samuel. A remnant of Israel was righteous and longed for the glories of a just monarchy; God granted their desire. He gave them King Saul, however, Saul also ignored the Word of the Lord. The Philistines continued to be a threat to Israel, and they captured the ark of the covenant. But “Charlie” expects that God should accept it all quietly. The video even condemns David killing Goliath!

The video then moved on to attack the Book of 2 Samuel which covers the establishment of the kingdom of Israel. The book emphasizes that God rejected Saul for his disobedience, chose David for the throne, and disciplined David for his pride. The key to David’s successful reign was his relationship with God. God described him as a man after His own heart:

In his youth, David demonstrated his strong faith in God by challenging a giant with only a few stones and his faith in God’s strength to win the battle;
In his adulthood, he continued to rely on God for guidance and strength;
Early in his reign, he demonstrated the importance of his religious convictions to all Israel by bringing the ark of the covenant to Jerusalem in the midst of a lavish celebration before the Lord;
Following that, his eagerness to build a temple for the glory of the Lord was known to all.
David led the Israelites back to the true worship of God.
Even when he sinned, he demonstrated to the people his repentant heart before the living God. David’s religious leadership was the most significant part of his reign.

Through all the national and personal events of His people in order to accomplish His will, God gave David a glimpse of His ultimate will in the promises He gave him, commonly called the Davidic Covenant. In this unconditional Covenant, God promised David an eternal dynasty, an eternal throne, and an eternal kingdom. If the wicked had to die to accomplish that, so be it.

The video then mentions that no number of the dead were available from the Flood, but fails to mention that mankind was so wicked that, among other abominable human behaviour, human women were having relations with demons which resulted in supernatural, wicked, giant offspring:

etc.

If God hadn’t wiped out life on Earth when He did, giants would still be part of our population today, if not the only population today, certainly increasing in evil, and would make this sinful world of murder, rape, pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, wife-beating, child abuse, liars, thieves, and disease, look like a picnic.

The video also condemed God for the death of all the first-born of Egypt, failing to mention that this Divine judgment was the result of an Egyptian edict that all the first-born of Israel should die, so God turned it around on them. Perfect justice.

The video then moved on to attack Ezekiel 9 where God destroys the wicked, failing to mention that the people were perversely wicked, and that God protected those who cried out to Him for protection, by destroying them.

Then the video moved on to attack the Book of Jeremiah (“the weeping prophet”). Jeremiah’s ministry covered a very critical time in the history of the ancient Middle East. Josiah, the King of Judah, died at the hands of the Egyptian army. The people of Judah lost their freedom and didn’t turn to God, but to idols. This idolatry was the reason for Jeremiah’s proclamations of God’s judgment. “Charlie” obviously didn’t know that idol worship is against God’s Commandments and is punishable by death when violated. The book of Jeremiah includes many difficulties including Nebuchadnezzar defeating Pharoah, Jehoiakim rebelling against Nebuchadnezzar, Jehoiachin replacing Jehoiakim on the throne for a short time, and thousands of political and religions leaders in Babylon. Jerusalem’s walls were eventually breached, Nebuchadnezzar’s army besieged Jerusalem, the temple was burned, along with palaces, houses, and other administrative buildings. To Jeremiah, God was the incomparable God of all creation, was the Lord over nature and history, and He reigned not only over Judah and Israel but over all nations. Jeremiah was very aware of the covenant between God and Israel. The covenant bound Israel to God in a special relationship of love, faithfulness, and hope. But the covenant had two sides: Faithfulness to the Lord and to the covenant would bring blessing; disobedience would result in punishment, destruction, and exile. Finally, Jechonias (called Coniah in Jeremiah 22:24-30) was so evil, there was a special curse pronounced on Jeconiah that affected the throne of David, which in turn affected the rule of Jesus on David’s throne, which could only happen through the genealogy of Mary. The video fails to mention all of this and more.

The video then mocked God, i.e. “God is love, 1 John 4:8,” etc., failing to take into account all that they failed to mention up to this point.

Then it mocks the book of 1 Kings when God chastises Israel, and misses the entire point of the book which is the importance of obedience to God’s law. Naturally, the video disregarded the false religion of the Canaanites, the failures of the Israelites to walk in God’s ways, and only focuses on God’s chastisement which serves as a warning to us. Unfortunately, some of us are just too thick to get it.

Then it moved on to attack the Book of Isaiah which details the prophet’s message of condemnation to the 8th-century Israelites, pronouncing judgment on their immoral and idolatrous lifestyles.

At this point, the video records God “killing” almost one million (1,000,000) people, not including the Flood.

Alas! …

… the video introduces Satan - WHO KILLED ONLY TEN PEOPLE! count ‘em, 10! - and continues to attack God and Scripture by attacking the book of 2 Chronicles.

While Satan holds steady at 10 murders, the video attacks the Book of Acts (obviously believing that God should overlook lying to the Holy Spirit, too).

The video’s pièce de résistance? God kills Jesus.

The video’s conclusion: God killed over 2 million people compared to Satan who killed just 10.

The ignorance about the death of the Christ and the number of murders by Satan is astounding. “Charlie,” - who posted the video to straighten me out - didn’t understand that when Satan lied to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, their sin was generational without end. Every single person after them was born in sin and even conceived in sin (Psalm 51:5). There are almost 8 billion people on the planet today, and there were billions on the Earth in the last 5,780 years, every single one of them was born in sin, and separated from God because of it. “Charlie” didn’t understand that Satan killed billions of people because of what he did to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Satan is the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world.

Enter The Christ.

“Charlie” didn’t understand that God loves mankind so much that God became incarnate to die for the sins of mankind - including “Charlie” himself - based on God’s own LAW, Leviticus 17:11. “Charlie” didn’t understand that God is a God of integrity Who wouldn’t break His own LAW despite the enormous cost to Him to save sinners from eternal punishment because of what Satan did, and because of man’s endless rebellion against Him now.

As God incarnate, the Christ restored sight to the blind, healed a paralytic, fed 5,000 people by multiplying a minimal amount of food, fed 4,000 people by multiplying a minimal amount of food, turned water into wine, cleansed the lepers, restored hearing to the deaf, healed a man with a withered hand, healed the woman afflicted with a hemorrhage, healed a possessed mute, healed a possessed crippled woman, healed the possessed man in the tombs, restored Peter's ear after it was cut off, cast out demons, calmed a storm, walked on water, raised the dead, suspended the laws of the universe, and performed so many other miracles that if every one of them were written down, the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written (John 21:25).

The Jewish leaders hated Him because He claimed to be exactly who He is, the Jewish Messiah and the Son of God (Matthew 26:63-65). The religious Jews (the Pharisees) brought Him to the head of the Roman administration, Pontius Pilate, to sentence Him to death. Pilate found no fault in Him, but to satisfy the huge uprising of people, he sentenced Jesus to flogging. The legal limit for flogging was 40 lashes. The Romans flogged Him so much, and tortured Him in other ways to such an extent, that Scripture says that His appearance was beyond human likeness: Isaiah 52:14. As God in the flesh, He had the power to escape from it anytime He wanted to. But He loves man and wanted to reconcile us to Him, so He endured it. This is just the flogging, which shows a small fraction of what He endured:

After the horrendous beating that disfigured Him beyond human likeness, He was then mocked with a crown of thorns and more, and forced to carry His own heavy wooden cross when all His bones were out of joint: Psalm 22:14.

He was then nailed to a cross to be humiliated, and tortured to death. This link details His physical suffering: frames of physiopathology. This is no small price.

After 3 days, He rose from the dead again, sat at the right hand of the Father in heaven (Luke 22:69), and sent those who accept His sacrifice for the forgiveness of their sins, His Holy Spirit to live within us (Ezekiel 36:27; 1 Corinthians 3:16), for several reasons. Not only did God forgive us our sins if we accept the Christ as our Saviour, but He continues to gift Christians in many ways.

People today are as rebellious as ever. They’ve obviously never heard the expression “You can run but you can’t hide.”

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked [He will not allow Himself to be ridiculed, nor treated with contempt nor allow His precepts to be scornfully set aside]; for whatever a man sows, this and this only is what he will reap.

Did you know that by 1924 when their caliphate ended, the ideology killed a total of two hundred, seventy million (270,000,000) people? And we didn’t have weapons of mass destruction or nuclear weapons. All of these people were butchered by the sword. Iran is working on those nuclear weapons now.

Here’s something legitimate to bellyache about:

Terror Attacks - This list is updated daily, and lists every single day all the way back to September 11, 2001. That’s approximately 7,000 consecutive days to date.

You might also want to look up the islamic Eid al-adha festival .

Remember:

"There is no drop of liquid as loved by Allah more than the liquid of blood." - Muslim cleric Abu Hamza

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Christopher, if you think God was harsh in the Old Testament to people who broke His laws, violated His covenant, loved sin and Satan over Him, and chose them over being reconciled to Him, wait until the Christ returns to deal with society throwing God out of everything, and embracing and legalizing everything He forbids and abhors. When the Christ returns, they’re going to experience some serious fecal incontinence.

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Thank you again for your A2A.

R. Brown #fundie dancingpastthedark.com

R. Brown: You cannot pick and choose only parts of Jesus’ teachings to suit your own desires. Jesus spoke often of hell especially in the last part of St. Matthew. It is all written in red, and I would be sure to follow ALL of his teachings which includes eternal hell fire and outer darkness. He did not mix words when explaining these things. Even the parable of “the rich man and the poor man” portrays hell as fire and eternal with undying thirst. Why take a chance on this? It is the most important decision of your life. The Bible is the only road map that we have. I am VERY close to God at this point in my life. I believe in following very closely with the red print of the Bible above all else, because it is as close as we are going to get to what Jesus said. When your meditate and pray everyday, the Holy Spirit guides you to what you should believe. I believe there are many hellish experiences that people do not want others to know. Also, they went to hell and were not sent back. The best thing to do is accept Christ and do not depend on ministers, church people, family, anybody, but Jesus Christ and his teachings. He said if you believe in him you believe in God the father who sent him. With this comes the blessed Holy Spirit. Why would you need anything else. Prayer and reading God’s Word everyday will open up your understanding of what he wants of us. We need to love our fellow human beings, forgive all who trespass against us. The unforgiving spirit (holding grudges) will keep you out of heaven. Jesus said we must forgive to be forgiven. He lists all the things that will bar you from heaven: lying, fornicating, stealing, killing, even fearfulness (not trusting him), on and on they are all listed. The answer to all our questions are in the Bible and closeness to HIM. May God bring his understanding and blessings to all of you.


Nan Bush: If there were a single “right interpretation” there would not be so many denominations and disagreements. Thank you for participating in the conversation.

R. Brown: How can you interpret the following (in red) any differently then how it is written: Matthew Chapter 25 verses 41 through 46 (Jesus was addressing caring for the least among us). He said to those who showed no mercy and love for their fellow human being ” Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels; For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat; I was thirsty and ye gave me no drink. I was a stranger and ye took me not in; naked and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not
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Inasmuch as ye did it not one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. ‘ And these shall go away into everlasting punishment but the righteous into life eternal.”
How can anyone not understand these very clearly stated words? I admit there are some parts of the Bible that are difficult to understand without a prayerful communication with HIM, but not hell. He clearly states in many passages what hell is and how to avoid it.
God bless you, Nan Bush. Keep praying and a pure and loving heart, and God will reveal to you the meaning of the distressing NDE you had.

aerospacemajor #fundie boards.msn.com

God is a myth?! Billions of people down through the ages disagree with you. Perhaps you should change your ways and repent; God will forgive you and not punish you eternally. If you continue on your present course, you will have to explain to God--in person someday--why you blasphemed Him and His ways.

Respectfully,

A Sincere Christian

Mack Major #fundie facebook.com

So this is what it's coming to: male sex dolls for women complete with 'bionic penises' - set to be on the market by 2019.

This is what happens when women rebel against God: they end up becoming silly, laden with sin and destroyed by their own unbridled sexual lusts. *2 Timothy 3:6

If your homegirl suddenly stops taking your calls next year, no longer wants to hang out and rarely ever leaves home - now you'll know why! She'll be too busy playing house with mechanical Ken to be bothered!

The proper term for this is digisexual. It's someone who gets off on having sex with mechanical things. Like those dildos and vibrators some of you keep in your dresser drawer or closet.

Since when did it become normal to rub a mechanical object on yourself for sexual pleasure?

This actually is nothing new. I wrote about the history of this in at least two of my ebooks: "Diva Goddess Queen" and talked about digisex in "Porn: When Pleasure Becomes Possession."

Dildos and sex dolls are simply modern twists on old concepts such as idols and fetishes. When you bring one of these items into your home you are in fact bringing idolatry into your home.

Idolatry is the worship of demon spirits hidden within statues and items that are designed to be replications of the actual real thing.

If you already own a dildo you are actively engaged in idolatry. And God will eventually judge idolatry with the sentence of eternal death.

That's why whenever you read a message like this one, don't harden your heart. This may be your last chance to get right with God before judgement falls on you.

Or you can choose to ignore and take your chances with the judgement of Almighty God.

Be sure to read my two ebooks:

?? Porn: When Pleasure Becomes Possession

?? Diva Goddess Queen: Breaking The Power of Soul Ties, Lust and Sexual Demons.

And get them before they are taken down at midnight and made unavailable. Most of all repent and get rid of those mechanical demon-houses you have hidden at home. Trash them and start taking your walk with Jesus Christ seriously.

Find a church that teaches sanctification and holiness and start attending regularly. You can't make it by yourself. The temptations will just be too strong for you.

If you don't find yourself a solid church home where sanctification is being taught, Satan will simply eat you for lunch. So GET IN CHURCH and STAY there! That's how you'll defeat the enemy in this hour

Tyler Bryant #fundie quora.com

No meteor impact wiped out the dinosaurs millions of years ago, because they have co-existed with man throughout the bulk of their history since the Creation Week. See video below overwhelming proof in many forms of dinosaur and man-co-existence. Applying imagination to the superhero though, I’m sure anyone could conjure a way for Hulk to survive among dinosaurs considering we did, and still do. If you don’t know Jesus as your personal LORD and Savior, you can by simply sincerely believing by heart and confessing by mouth that He is the Son of God, who came in the flesh, died on the cross for your sins, was buried, and rose from the grave on the third day(John 3:16, Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 15:1–4). Doing so you can be saved from your sins’ consequences and receive everlasting Salvation to spend Eternity with God. Will answer any further questions if you ask.

Rudy Schellekens #fundie patheos.com

[=A comment on both Gay Christians and Unuveralism=]

Carl Longren: Would you be disappointed if you find out in the resurrection that everyone is saved??? There is nothing you or I can do to "earn" our salvation. It is a free gift. You are expecting gays to "earn" their salvation by not being gay. If you believe Hitler was evil, how much more evil do you think a god would be who would burn people for eternity. At least when Hitler killed people it was over and the suffering wasn't forever. Do you believe that the Jews who were killed in the Holocaust will only be resurrected to be sent to hell for all eternity? How horribly cruel. Please use some logic!


Rudy Schellekens: Logic steps above emotionalism. Salvation is a biblical concept. So how about using the Bible as the play book?
Yes. Hitler was evil. To think that he escaped justice on earth bothers me. To know that there will be a judgment that he cannot escape?
And that judgment will be righteous.
The greater monster is a God who WOULD let him escape justice again!

Ray Comfort #fundie facebook.com

“If that were true [that I have a God-given conscience], my conscience would match the morality of the Bible, but it doesn't. Would your innate morality tell you to keep the Sabbath holy, if you had never heard of the Bible?” Madeleine Tudor

Conscience can easily be silenced. Many dull its voice and commit adultery and theft without a sense of guilt. Others even rape and murder and have no remorse. However, your question about the Sabbath is a good one.

I’m sure that you know that ignorance of the law is no excuse. You can violate civil law without knowing it and still be prosecuted, and the same applies with the moral Law. You may be ignorant of the fact that because God gave you your life, He requires that you give Him back one day in seven. But your ignorance of the Law is no excuse. Did you know that we are commanded to love God with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength? Have you done that? It gets even worse. God’s Law commands that we be morally perfect (see Matthew 5:48).

Now you know the Law. Now you know how much you have sinned against God by violating the First of the Ten Commandments. Add to that lying, stealing, blasphemy, adultery, plus the many sins of the heart that God sees--such as lust, selfishness, hatred, greed, envy, etc., and you will suddenly see your need of God’s mercy. Once you have His forgiveness through trust in Jesus, you will have everlasting life given to you as a free gift (see Romans 6:23).

TR3 #fundie fundamentalforums.com

There's nothing ungodly about a death penalty for the crime of homosexual activity, per se, as God Himself once instituted it for His covenant people in their civil code. To condemn the punishment would be to attack the righteous character of God. This bears out also in the eternal sentence of fiery damnation for those unrepentant of this sin-- Physical death pales in comparison to the eternal death that awaits the unrepentant guilty.

However, a legal code that condemns the crime with death does not a Christian society make. Uganda needs the gospel first and foremost-- without a people and rulers that know the Lord and His ways this just penalty will be used for unjust ends.

Ray Comfort #fundie facebook.com

Just before God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses, He instructed him to tell Israel to come to the base of Mount Sinai. Moses was to warn them not to touch the mountain lest He “break forth” onto them and they die (see Exodus 19:22-24). This was because, even though God is omniscient, He has an immediate presence.

Words fail miserably to express what this means, but I will try by using an infinitely insufficient analogy. It’s like an extremely good judge who is waiting to pass sentence on the most evil of criminals—a monster of an excuse for a man who abducted, tortured, raped, and slowly slit the throats of a dozen young girls. The man laughs in the faces of distraught and grieving relatives in anticipation, as the judge lifts his gavel to pass sentence.

To his shock the judge’s eyes change and flash with intense indignation, and then with purposeful anger in his words he passes the death sentence. The gravity of his tone and the depth of his wrath were in direct proportion to his goodness.

Again, the analogy is desperately wanting, but it gives us a minuscule insight into the fact that God is so morally impeccable, so absolutely good, so utterly holy that if we were to stand in His presence for a split second, His wrath would spill upon us at lightning-speed, and devour us.

The multitude of our crimes against His perfect Law would draw it upon us like an anvil to an electrified magnet. He would “break forth” onto us.

On Judgment Day He will fall in wrath upon sinful humanity. How inadequate are the words of Scripture to our dull minds if God doesn’t quicken them to us—“Wherefore knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.”

Are you persuading men? If not, then you don’t know the terror of the Lord. If you are unsaved, are you persuaded today to flee to the cross? If not, then you haven’t seen the depth of your own sins and so need to creep up to the Mountain and listen to the Ten Commandments. I plead with you, do that today before the arresting officer of death seizes upon you, and the celestial beings justly cast you into God’s terrible and dark prison…with no hope of parole.

Byron #racist tightrope.cc

Throughout history, the White race has known how to deal with it's enemies. Until recently, it was unheard of for full grown White men to sit idly by and watch their own be hunted in the streets. In healthier times it was recognized that the best cure for rape, assault and murder was the knowledge that if caught, the perpetrator was almost sure to face the ruthless wrath of a mob of enraged Aryan men both willing and able to inflict a horrible death, not only as a righteous punishment but as an example to the rest. This is what (nigger) Richard Wright had to say about lynchings: "I needed but to hear of them to feel their full effects in the deepest layers of my consciousness. Indeed, the white brutality that I had not seen was a more effective control of my behavior than that which I knew."

James De Young #fundie ericbarger.com

THE FRIGHTENING IMPLICATIONS OF THE TEN BASIC BELIEFS OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

Christians who believe in Jesus Christ and adhere to the teachings of the Bible have great cause of concern should the claims of universal reconciliation (UR) succeed. Here are 10 of the leading teachings of UR followed immediately by the serious and surprising implications.

Teaching #1: Love is the supreme attribute of God. His other attributes (holiness, justice, righteousness) are limited by his love. “God cannot act apart from love” (The Shack, 102). “Mercy triumphs over judgement because of love” (TS, 164).

Implications: (1) Out of logical necessity, God ceases to be God. For God to be God means that he is perfect in all his attributes. No one attribute is greater than another. If this is not the case, then some attributes would be imperfect, incomplete, and some standard outside of God would be the measure of God—and this is impossible. Thus by affirming that love is the supreme attribute of God UR has created a defective deity. God ceases to be God. (2) Humans have no standard by which to set the appropriate judgment and punishment for crimes. (3) Ultimately Jesus’ death on the cross is unnecessary. Jesus did not need to die for sins because God would have loved people enough to take them to heaven and his justice did not need to be fully satisfied. (4) Ultimately the incarnation of Jesus was unnecessary, because love as the supreme attribute would have brought all to God apart from the justice demanded by an eternal death for sin. (5) Sin is not so bad after all. (6) The Bible is untrustworthy, for it never limits any of God's attributes or exalts one over another.
Note: This is probably the most central and far-reaching claim of UR; and it is the most heretical. (2) Many of these implications apply to other teachings below.

Teaching #2: God has already reconciled all people to himself by Jesus’ death on the cross. He has already removed the hostility between himself and people (TS, 192, 222).
Implication: (1) If reconciliation is already true for all, then there is no need to preach the gospel about Jesus Christ. (2) There is no need for people to believe in order to appropriate reconciliation. They already possess it.

Teaching #3: People either repent and believe the gospel before they die, or those who go to hell after dying will repent and believe the gospel, and then go to heaven. All go to heaven. Those people in hell change their destiny.

Implications: (1) There is no need to preach the gospel; no need to be engaged in missions or outreach. (2) The Bible is incomplete and untrustworthy here for it nowhere states that anyone can change his destiny after dying. (3) The entire record of church history is filled with the misplaced emphasis on trying to reach the world with the good news. (4) Jesus is untrustworthy for he commanded his people to go to the whole world and preach the gospel (Matt 28:19-20). He taught that there are two destinies, one leading to life, the other leading to destruction (Matt 7:13-14).

Teaching #4: God does not punish sin. He seeks to cure it. Sin is its own punishment (TS, 120).

Implication: (1) There is no future judgment after death when all stand before God as Judge to receive punishment for their sins (2 Cor 10. (2) The Biblical account of judgments on individuals and nations (Adam and Eve, Cain, the generation of the Flood, the Tower of Babel, the people of Canaan, Israel and Judah because of idolatry, on Jesus at the cross) are not trustworthy.

Teaching #5: At the finality of all things the fallen angels and the Devil himself will all repent and go to heaven—and hell is no more.

Implications: (1) The sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross was/is unnecessary. There is another way to get to heaven, since the death of Jesus on the cross did not concern the sin of angels. (2) Heaven is unsafe because Satan could rebel against God in the distant future. With his past experience he could believe that his future rebellion would be more successful. (3) A future rebellion of Satan could be repeated ad infinitum, but this is impossible. (4) Jesus work on the cross to provide forgiveness for all people was not final. (5) If there is no hell there is no heaven; there is no need for heaven.

Teaching #6: Since Jesus between his death and resurrection went to hell to proclaim salvation to those there, then he could go a thousand times more to deliver others who have gone there since.

Implications: (1) It is not a convincing interpretation of certain texts that Jesus ever did this (see Eph. 4:8-10; 1 Pet. 3:18-20; 4:6). (2) Even if this happened then, there are no words from Jesus or from the Apostles that say that he will do this again.

Teaching #7: Hell is not as we have believed it. Hell is not a place of God’s everlasting punishment but of purging, correcting, reproving people so that given enough time all depart Hell (TS, 162-164).

Implications: (1) If there is no hell there is no heaven, for in the end heaven and hell are indistinguishable. (2) Jesus is untrustworthy because he warned of “everlasting torment” (Matt 25:41). (3) Then we humans have no standard by which to exert penalties and punishment for crimes done on earth.

Teaching #8: There is no place left in the universe where God’s love has not conquered all. He is totally victorious. None are left in rebellion against God. All are brought into submission by love.

Implications: (1) Then the will of some to refuse to believe the gospel is voided. (2) Then God did not will to create humanity with a will to be able to choose not to believe.

Teaching #9: The institutions of marriage, the church, and the government are the “man-created, trinity of terrors that ravages the earth and deceives those I care about. . . . It’s all false” and part of “a diabolical scheme” (TS, 122-124; 179).

Implications: (1) Then the devil is in control. (2) Jesus is untrustworthy, since he said that he would build his church (Matt 16). The Bible says that Jesus is head of the church (Eph 2:19-22; 3:6-11; 4:14-16; 5:23), that he loves the church and died for it (Eph 5:25). (3) The Bible is untrustworthy since it describes God as forming marriage (Gen 2; Eph 5:25-33) and instituting government (Rom 13:1-6). (4) Then there are no duly constituted authorities delegated by God. (5) Thus all acts of anarchy and terrorism are justified. (6) All forms of marriage and non-marriage are equally legitimate; no form is better than any other (including LGBTQ forms). (7) Divorce for any reason is legitimate. (8) Adultery and prostitution are as legitimate as marriage. (9) The family structure has no value. (10) Church structures with elders, deacons, bishops, a constitution or faith statement are all Satanic and wrong. (11) Christian gatherings are demonic.

Teaching #10: People are in a “circle of relationship” with God that is pure, having no authority and no subordination to God (TS, 122-124).

Implications: (1) Then Jesus’ commandments to obey him and to love others (as in John 14 16) are to be disobeyed; and P Young is to be obeyed. (2) The church should not submit to Jesus (contra Eph 5:24). (3) Jesus’ claim to have “all authority in heaven and earth” is false (Matt 28:19). (4) Jesus is not to be acknowledged as Lord, King, Head of the church, Prince of peace, the Mighty God, the everlasting Father, Savior, Master, etc. (4) Then believers should not “submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (contra Eph 5:21). (5) All relationships will fail, since it is impossible to sustain “pure relationships” without structure and in a manner that benefits everyone.

In light of the preceding it is clear that UR can never succeed. It corresponds to no reality. It represents a man-centered theology. It has been tried many times before (the Garden of Eden for one place) and has always failed. But there is the constant need for vigilance to refute it, as Paul and the other Apostles instruct us (Eph. 2:1-2; 6:10-18), to be aware of false prophets and teachers as both Jesus (Matt. 7:13) and the Apostles warn (2 Cor. 11).

Andrew Anglin and Vic Cunningham #racist #psycho dailystormer.name

[From "Texas: Jew Cop Killer’s Execution Postponed After He Calls the Judge an Anti-Semite"]

Regular readers will remember the story of the judge that was attacked for setting up a trust that only paid out to his kids if they are in a heterosexual marriage with someone of the same race.

Well, that judge, Vic Cunningham, who scandalized the Jewish media when it was found that he had normal desires for his family, tried the case of a Jew in 2003. And the judge’s alleged racism is being used to claim that he was also an anti-Semite and so the case should be retried.

JTA

A Jewish death row inmate in Texas who says his judge was anti-Semitic has appealed to the Supreme Court.

Randy Halprin is set to be executed on Oct. 10. He was part of the “Texas 7” group of prisoners who escaped from a prison in the state in 2000 and were convicted and sentenced to death for the murder of a police officer who responded to a robbery they committed. Four of them have already been executed.

And one committed suicide. The seventh is going to be executed in November of this year.

In May, Halprin said in an appeal that the judge who sentenced him in 2003, Vickers Cunningham, referred to him using anti-Semitic slurs, including “f****n’ Jew” and “g*****n k**e.” The court denied his appeal last month.

[...]

So there is no evidence that the judge was an anti-Semite. There is just the claim of a Jew murderer that he was called mean names.

The entire thing hinges on the story of the racist trust.

In all likelihood, the judge wasn’t an anti-Semite. Most good old boy types in Texas, who would want their daughters marrying white men, think Jews are God’s chosen people, because that’s what Jew-bought televangelists have been saying for fifty years.

But even if he did hate Jews, the idea that he was calling the Jew a “goddamn kike” right in the court room, to the Jew’s face, is so stupid it’s almost unfathomable that someone could have the nerve to make such a claim.

But look at his cousins over at the ACLU circling the wagons.

[...]

Definitely not the most sympathetic of Jews.

But the ADL has certainly gone to bat for unsympathetic Jews before.

In fact, the ADL was founded to defend a Jew who raped and murdered a 13-year-old white girl and blamed it on black people.

Jewish people are literal demonic monsters and they should all be on death row.

End of.

Angelica Zambrano #fundie christiscoming777.com

UNFORGIVENESS & BITTERNESS

Being with Jesus, made me feel safe. I thought, “If I let go of the Lord, I’ll be stuck here!” I asked, “Jesus, do I have relatives in this place.” He looked at me as I was crying and He said, “Daughter, I am with you,” because I was so scared. He took me to another cell. I never could have imagined seeing a relative of mine in that cell. I saw this woman being tormented, she had worms that would eat her face off, and demons would plunge a type of spear into her body. She would scream, “No, Lord, have mercy on me, forgive me, please, take me out of this place for one minute!” (Luke 16:24)

In Hell, people are tormented with the memories of what they did on Earth. Demons would mock people and tell them, “Worship and praise because this is your kingdom!” and the people would scream remembering that they knew God, because they knew the Word. Those who had known the Lord were tormented twofold.

The Lord said, “There is no other opportunity [for those here]; there is still opportunity for those who are alive.” I asked Him, “Lord, why is my great-grandmother here? I don’t know if she ever knew you. Why is she here in hell, Lord?” He replied, “Daughter, she is here because she failed to forgive…Daughter, he who does not forgive, neither will I forgive him.”

I asked, “Lord, but You do forgive, and You are merciful.” And He answered, “Yes, Daughter, but it is necessary to forgive, because they have not forgiven many people, and that is why many people are in this place, because they failed to forgive…Go and tell humanity that it is time to forgive, and especially My people, for many of My people have not forgiven. Tell them to rid themselves of grudges, of resentment, of that hatred in their hearts, for it is time to forgive! If death were to surprise that person who has failed to forgive, that person may go to hell, for no one can purchase life.” When we left that place, my great grandmother was engulfed in fire and she screamed, “Aaaah,” and began to blaspheme the name of God, she would curse Him; every person in hell blasphemes against God.

As we left that area, I could see that hell was full of tormented souls. Many people would extend their hands out, begging Jesus to help them and take them out of there. But the Lord could not do anything for them and they would start blaspheming God. Then Jesus would weep and say, “It hurts Me to hear them, it hurts Me to see what they do, because I can no longer do anything for them. What I will tell you is that I still have opportunity for he who is still on Earth, who has not yet died, who is still alive; he still has time to repent!”

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

God Laughs At The Critics Of Christians, For He Seeth Their Day Of Reckoning Coming

Proverbs 16:27 , “An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire.”

The Bible warns that we will all be judged in eternity according to our own standards. We will be judged according to how we treated and judged OTHERS. A lot of people hate and hurt Christians, and their day of reckoning is coming. Psalms 37:12-13, “The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.” All of the hypocrites who are casting stones of hateful criticism against fundamental Bible-preachers today (all of whom have been less-than-perfect sinners just like everyone else), will face the harsh and merciless judgment of God in retaliation for their own merciless judgment of God's children. If you condemn the righteous, but justify the wicked, you have condemned yourself by your own hypocrisy! There is much criticism on the internet against Christian believers, especially against fundamentalist preachers of the Word of God.

James 4:12, “There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” I condemn no man. I am the biggest sinner that I know (and so are you, in your own eyes, if you're right with God). If it weren't for God's wondrous and abundant grace, I'd spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. Thank God the Father for the precious gift of Jesus, His only begotten Son, Who bled and died on the cross for my sins, was buried, and raised-up the third day from the dead as my heavenly High Priest (Romans 8:34; Hebrews 4:15-16)! What a Savior!!!

One of my favorite Scripture passages is from Romans 2:1-3, “Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?” Everyone is a woeful sinner. Don't judge others because they sin differently than you do. There is a hateful spirit of pride, arrogance and self-righteousness that is prevalent in cyberspace, condemning the righteous for any and every sin, mistake and word that comes out of their mouth. God will TORTURE the wicked.

Reason2012 #fundie christiannews.net

There's no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [sodomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

Genesis 19:7-9 "And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door."

Luke 17:28-30 "So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed."

Romans 1:18-32 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It's not just Paul that pointed it out.

Genesis 19:4-13 "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be raped to keep them from having_sex with another man - shows rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it."

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

Deuteronomy 23:17 "There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."

1 Kings 22:46 "And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land."

1 Kings 15:11-12 "And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made."

2 Kings 23:7 "And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove."

Ezekiel 16:49-50 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

And the "pride" parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

Matthew 19:4-5 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"

Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband. And only two people off opposite gender can become "one flesh".

May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

David J. Stewart #fundie #pedo jesus-is-savior.com

One of Motley Crue's band's shameful members, Vince Neil, killed a man in 1984 while drunk driving. But when a famous rock star murders somebody while drunk, they are given a slap on the wrist. Vince was only sentenced by the judge to 15 days in jail! The Holy Bible teaches an eye for an eye, tooth for death, the death penalty! Vince Neil, and all drunk drivers who murder innocent victims, ought to receive the gas chamber! Ecclesiastes 8:11, “Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.” America's legal system is catawampus! The news is filled with people who committed heinous crimes, but were given ridiculously light sentences. Yet, Morton Berger of Arizona, an award-winning public school teacher, is rotting in a state penitentiary for 200 years, for literally downloading 20 indecent images of animals having sex with children. Granted, Morton is a pervert, but does he deserve 200 years behind bars? So how does a murderer often get 1/10th the sentence of a man who downloaded some dirty pictures with his credit card? Truth is stranger than fiction.

What the band Motley Crue and their horrible movie “THE DIRT” fails to convey, is that it is THE MUSIC ITSELF that inspires that immoral, criminal and irresponsible type of behavior. The music is evil, inspired by demons!

Job 20:5, “That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?” The United States is a wicked place. We have truly earned the shameful titled of being “THE GREAT SATAN!” This sinful temporary world will soon pass away, and all that will matter then is whether you die in the Lord (Revelation 14:13) or die in your sins (John 8:24). 1st John 2:15-17, “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”

The repulsive deathstyle glamorized by Motley Crue and their fans is shameful, which they readily admit. Albeit, young people today need to be told more, than just that Motley Crue did some bad things; young people need to be warned that vile degenerates like the members of Morley Crue are ungodly people, their music is of the Devil, and they will face the frightening judgment of God in eternity. Hebrews 10:31, “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” I am not condemning anybody, for I am a guilty sinner just like anybody else. My only hope for forgiveness of sins and eternal life, is through faith in Jesus Christ alone and His righteousness. Thank God for the sacrifice of His only begotten Son on the cross of Calvary.

Joe Eigo #fundie instagram.com

Joe Eigo: Dear One. I just wanted you to KNOW what Lord Michael really looks like. And what HE does. His sword cuts through what NEEDS to be TRANSMUTED by Lord Zadkiel of The Violet Ray which is the Ray OF TRANSMUTATION AND MERCY AND ALCHEMY. Lord Michael comes along FIRST and TRANSFORMS IT (IN EASIER TERMS ,CHOPS IT ALL UP (NOT RIGHT TERM) AND LORD ZADKIEL LAUGHED WHEN HE SAID LORD MICHAEL LEAVES HIM THE "MESS TO CLEAN UP WITH THE SWORD OF VIOLET FLAME HE WIELDS OF TRANSMUTATION.WE ARE IN THE VIOLET RAY AGE RIGHT NOW. THE AQUARIAN ONE. IT'S THE 7TH RAY.

juicefrankie: Nice picture Joe :) let the violet flame destroy the hate that has attached itself to you.

Joe Eigo: do you want to fight ww3? ISRAEL did 911 and spray chemtrails causing death. If you are in support of such a terrorist nation that genocides palestinaian people then you are a cancer of this world.

juicefrankie: Nah, trolls like you are the cancer of the internet ;)

Joe Eigo: if I am such a cancer then why is Israel blocking me on Facebook for exposing their satanic agenda? Do you want to fight ww3? You Jewish cowards always want to play victims while getting others to fight your wars. This time your nation of Israel is doomed.

juicefrankie: Don't you claim to be Genghis Khan reincarnated? He fought many battles! His campaigns were often accompanied by massacres of the civilian populations – you should really be looking forward to this WW3!

Joe Eigo: yes I have fought many battles on earth and I have seen the apocalypse. I have been sent to punish these unholy people and bring balance to this world.

I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.

juicefrankie: So you are a prophet sent by God - this is what you are saying and this is what you believe?

Joe Eigo: I am the chosen one to lead the fight against the illuminati zionists who have hijacked this world. I was born with 2 royal stars Regulus and formalhaut. The royal star Regulus is the sign of a military spiritual leader and Formalhaut is the royal star of the magician. It takes great passion to awaken 7 billion slaves on earth and do powerful magic to counter geoengineering technologies and fight demons. I am aided by archangel Michael which rules the blue ray of the throat chakra. Speaking my truth is why I ain't await to speak out against Israel and zionism. Many humans are scared like sheep but it's better to have an army of sheep led by a lion than an army of lion led by a sheep. Yes this world seems insane but it's because it takes alot of GOD power to awaken from the zionist matrix mainframe system.

Raven #racist waronyou.com

And your proof is? How about putting your money where your mouth is?


Find me proof that there were gas chambers at the camps.
Find me proof that there was a systemic plan to kill all the Jews.
Find me proof that 6 million died in the camps.
Find me proof that they had the means to cremate 6 million bodies.
Find me proof that the corpses put in pits were Jews and not Germans.
Find me proof that the museum presents all evidence as it stood during the war.
Find me proof on which they base that number on of 6 million.
Find me proof that all the stories told at the trials were in fact the truth.
Find me proof that the Germans lied in their accounts of the final days of the war.
Find me proof that Jews were total victims of the fascists and not sold out by their own leaders.
Find me proof that the Russians did not fabricate evidence to convict Germans of war crimes.
Find me proof that the showers could have possibly served as gas chambers.
Find me proof that they had no showers, just delousing chambers and gas chambers.
Find me proof that they have not been shouting 6 million at the first WW.
Find me proof that there was ever any Zyklon used in the "showers turned gas chambers".
Find me proof that since the only camp to have a gas chamber was on the Soviet occupied
side they did not alter the showers.
Find me proof that the Russians were not trying to shift the blame to the Germans for crimes they had committed during the war and after.
Find me proof that Gemar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel and other researchers are wrong in their scientific analysis of the evidence gathered from the walls of the "chambers".
Find me one scientist who would debunk what these researchers have presented.
Find one reason why this issue is sacrosanct.
Find me one reason why the " graves" were covered over in boulders as "artwork" when historians suggested digging at some sites to verify the claims of thousands of bodies put in pits.
Find me proof that there were less Jews in Europe after the war than before.
Find me proof that they sent the Jews to camps to exterminate them across hundreds of miles when on site executions would have been more efficient.
Find me proof that they did this secretly when they summarily executed many others openly and without the slightest hesitation.
Find me proof that they tried to cover this when they blew up their munitions storage but not the "gas chambers" or their records?
Find me proof from the archives kept by the Soviets for decades before turning them over in 1984 that any genocide was policy.
Find me proof that the Jews who were nothing more than slave labor and even had a brothel and pool in their camps were sent there to be killed.
Find me proof of the genocide orders when the German Command complained to camp directors of the high numbers of deaths from disease among the inmates and demanded they take better care of them.
Find me proof that they above all others were systemically killed.
Find me proof that they were not impeded by their own Zionist leaders to leave Europe.
Find me proof that the "confessions" made by Nazis awaiting the gallows were not extracted by torture.
Find me proof that Jewish witnesses found to have committed perjury were punished for their sending innocent people to the gallows.
Find me proof that Jews who were placed in positions of power after the war did not commit atrocities themselves in the treatment of former Nazis and German civilians.
Find me proof that man's inhumanity to man did not involve the destruction of a nation to create another one.
Find me proof that the Jewish organizations did not interfere with historians and scientists in their quest to verify or debunk claims made from both sides.
Find me proof that man's inhumanity to man does not also involve bearing false witness and executing people for crimes they did not commit.
Find me proof that this inhumanity did not extend to Germany long after the war and now stands on the brink of becoming a global one.
Find me proof that the holocaust story is not just a club to beat nations out of money and subject them to the servitude the Zionist leaders demanded of their gentile hosts.
Find me proof that the holocaust story was not hatched by the Jewish leaders to force the world to give them Palestine.
Find me proof that the Zionists did not refuse the offers made to relocate them.
Find me proof in the form of a directorate, document stating the German policy of the genocide of Jews.
Find me proof that they did not die of starvation and typhus as did millions across Europe and the Balkins and that the majority went to "gas chambers".

The burden to defend this story rests on those making the claims.
The holocaust deniers have sufficiently proved their points and were promptly prosecuted and imprisoned for it.
When you can prove the claims and justify the executions for those claims, then you have done something.
Until then, the defense of these claims by the same methods the Jews employed to make them at the "Nuremberg circus"is BULLSHIT

(And, of course, the next poster promptly gives him the emoticon for a salute.)

Important Note!

We don't actually believe in a doomsday either.

admin #fundie december2012endofworld.com

They [atheists] do not believe that God or the Supreme Being is going to save you from Doomsday. What they believe instead is that you are going to face obliteration when the end of the world approaches. The reason why the Atheists are obsessed with the end of the world is that it will question the very existence of God.

Even if there is a God, is He that cruel so as to watch the entire human race being wiped from the surface of the Earth? Those having faith in God tell that God is merciful and forgives even the sinners if they ask for forgiveness. If God is that merciful will he attempt to rescue the humans from their awful fate? That is where the Atheists belief is getting stronger. It has been reported that dinosaurs that once roamed the surface of the Earth were destroyed once and for all when some asteroid came down crashing on Earth’s surface some millions of years ago. At that time there was no one to save Earth from such a collision. This means even if such cataclysmic events take place in 2012 there will be no one to save mankind from destruction.

These ideas focus on the one theory of the atheists and i.e. the non existence of God. Here lies the victory for the atheists. Clearly they have the upper hand when it comes to questioning whether God is present. Instead of seeing the Heavenly interventions the atheists choose to look at the scientific researches, geological findings and other studies being conducted on the Earth’s environment that may suggest the destruction of this planet.

This means if there is an end of the world in 2012 itself it will be the Atheists who would rather enjoy it, proclaiming that there was and is no God. That is why the atheists have a strong opinion and believe in the end of the world.

Ray Comfort #fundie onthebox.us

“He who sees the eyes of a child beaten and molested while his God watched is a seriously sick person for believing in a God.”

It is thoughtless to jump to the conclusion that nothing created everything, simply because God doesn’t immediately punish evil. If He intervened and had Judgment Day today, where would you stand under the light of moral perfection? God is holding back from punishing child molesters, rapists, adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals, those who lust, hate, lie, steal and covet, because He is rich in mercy and willing to forgive all who repent and trust in Jesus.

ThyWillBeDone1985 #fundie youtube.com

(=Video in the link in a sermon by Pastor Charles Lawson that can't be copy and paste=)

HELL FIRE: The Most Powerful Sermon Ever!!!

Are you sure you're going to heaven when you die? Or are you willing to chance your eternal soul and possibly end up in hell fire?? Why not make sure of the matter today, while there is still time?

The good news is: You can KNOW that you're going to heaven. The Bible clearly states:

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13

You see, God wants us to KNOW, and have the matter settled. There can be no misery greater than living life wondering if some day you will lift up your eyes in hell!

The Bible so wonderfully makes salvation clear. It is a gift given of God, that cannot be earned in any way of our own doing.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." Titus 3:5

Jesus Christ made this wonderful, free salvation possible.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Do you see what the verse says? It is simply BELIEF, or rather FAITH, TRUST, in Jesus Christ that saves. I am so thankful for these following verses that tell of man who sincerely wanted to be saved, and was told how:

"Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:29-30

Christ came to this earth, God in the flesh, a perfect man who never committed sin. He sacrificed His life of the cross of Calvary, shed His blood, as PAYMENT for our sin. You see, our sin separates us from a perfect and Holy God. We have no way to approach God in and of ourselves, for He is HOLY, righteous, perfect, and pure. He cannot tolerate sin. So Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world, that we might be reconciled *(bought back) to God. We can come to the Father through Jesus Christ His Son!

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

So what must I believe, more specifically, about Jesus Christ to be eternally saved, you may ask...? You are saved by BELIEVING the good news of the Gospel, Christ's death, burial, and resurrection!
When you accept this beautiful truth, that Christ loves you and died for YOUR sins, and arose from the grave FOR YOU, TO SAVE YOU FROM HELL, and you simply say yes to Him (call upon the Lord), in child-like simplicity, offering nothing of yourself or self-righteousness to God, but clinging only to CHRIST'S MERIT and HIS righteousness, YOU WILL BE SAVED.

1 Corinthians 15 says:

"1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 BY WHICH ALSO YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Would you be willing to put your whole-hearted faith on Jesus to make it to heaven... instead of trusting yourself and your own way? If you say yes, and will trust what the Bible promises to every sinner who would believe on Jesus Christ, would you humbly go to God in prayer and ask Him to save you in the name of Jesus?

God bless you all who watch my videos. I pray many will come to know of the wonderful saving grace of Jesus Christ.

Tom DeLay #fundie rightwingwatch.org

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has written to a federal judge asking for leniency for ex-Speaker Dennis Hastert, the Republican politician who pled guilty last year to illegally structuring bank withdrawals as part of what prosecutors now say was a scheme to pay off a former student whom he had allegedly molested during his days as a high school wrestling coach. Prosecutors say that Hastert sexually abused at least four boys.

The former GOP leader has acknowledged that he “committed transgressions for which he is profoundly sorry.”

In a letter to the judge who will be sentencing Hastert in the banking violation case, DeLay defended Hastert as a good, godly man with very few flaws and who “doesn’t deserve what he is going through.”

Although DeLay's letter is undated, the Chicago Tribune notes that most of the letters in support of Hastert were “written in late February and early March — before prosecutors detailed sex abuse allegations against Hastert from decades ago.” Although prosecutors only recently laid out the new charges against Hastert, the allegations of child abuse were widely reported in May of last year.

But while Tom Delay may not think that Dennis Hastert deserves the public shame of being called a child abuser, he doesn’t feel the same way about LGBT people. After all, this is the same Tom DeLay who has demonized LGBT people by grouping them with pedophiles.

Just days after the Supreme Court delivered its landmark marriage equality decision, DeLay claimed that he knew of “a secret memo coming out of the Justice Department” that would legalize “12 new perversions,” including “having sexual with little boys.”

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

God will execute justice! God will also judge the righteous (2nd Corinthians 5:10; Romans 12:19; 14:12; 1st Thessalonians 4:6). No one is going to get away with anything. “Their foot shall slide in due time.” … God will execute justice! God will also judge the righteous (2nd Corinthians 5:10; Romans 12:19; 14:12; 1st Thessalonians 4:6). No one is going to get away with anything. “Their foot shall slide in due time.” … The arrogance and confidence of the wicked shall cease... … The immorality will stop. The lascivious filth of Country Music Television will end. There's not a bigger bunch of hypocrites than Country music artists. “Their foot shall slide in due time.”

Madonna, Elton John, Miley Cyrus, Toby Keith, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Julia Roberts, Conan O’Brien, Jay Leno, Oprah Winfrey, Faith Hill, Gene Simmons, Ellen DeGeneres, Rosie O’Donnell, George W. Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Marsha Stevens, Hugh Hefner, the Olsen twins, Steven Spielberg, Stephen King, Michael Philip "Mick" Jagger, Carrie Underwood, Beyonce Knowles, Robert Schuller, the Pope, Barack Hussein Obama, and thousands more wicked influential people and power figures… “Their foot shall slide in due time.”

The rebellion of the American feminist will end. Judgment will be swift and severe. God will judge every wife who divorces her husband. Divorce is a horrible sin which God hates

cdevidal #fundie godlikeproductions.com

EvolutionVsGod.com has a free 38 minute film in which various evolutionists such as a PhD/associate college professor of Anthropology at UCLA, a PhD/professor of biological sciences and anthropology at USC, a PhD/professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at UCLA and PhD/associate professor of biology at Universiy of Minnesota Morris/famous blogger PZ Myers appear to be stumped by some challenging questions. It's an interesting movie and I recommend you check it out.

In observing responses to the movie, I saw lots of evolutionists mocking but I didn't see one person who answered the questions that apparently stumped the evolutionists. Accusations began to fly: The claim is that in his previous films, the evangelist had edited responses to questions to make the interviewees look bad. Thus the claim is that the stumped evolutionists in this film had simply been edited unfairly.

To which I replied, "OK, I'm sure we'll see a statement from PZ Myers soon explaining how he was misrepresented*, but what about you? Can you answer the questions?" The response often was, "What were the questions?"

Me: "I hadn't written them down so I didn't recall them. But you can see them again if you watch the movie."

Them: "No, I'm not watching that (blankety-blank)." (Which sounds dishonest, but I'll let that pass for now.)


* PZ Myers did claim he was misrepresented: [link to freethoughtblogs.com] But without substantiation. If he gave fuller answers during the interview, I'd like to see them, but he did not: [link to www.google.com (secure)]


So I promised to write down the questions from the film. And by the way, I don't pass any judgment on the quality of these questions. Maybe they're fallacious, and you can help demonstrate that. But before you answer, some simple rules to keep everyone honest.

RULES
* You must give a direct answer to every question or you've failed. Yes, some questions appear to be repeats but please answer them all as they are all slightly different.

* If you give an answer such as "It's not possible to know that" (or something similar) to any question you fail to demonstrate the validity of your worldview. Try harder before posting.

* You agree to the principles in this flowchart or you've failed: [link to www.jacoballee.com]

* You may not commit any logical fallacies or you've failed. Here is a list of some well-known fallacies. [link to www.informationisbeautiful.net] There may be others that I am not currently aware of.


If you don't agree with these rules, don't answer. If Darwinian macro evolution does occur in nature, these questions can be answered without resorting to cheating or underhanded rhetoric to uphold it. Right? I'm sure you'll agree these are fair rules.

Items beginning with an asterisk '*' are questions, and items beginning with an equal sign '=' are important statements which do not require an answer, but which inform the next question, so they must be read and understood.

OK, go!


= "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence." ~Richard Dawkins

= "Live Science" says of Darwinian evolution: "It can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans and amphibious mammals into whales."

* Do you believe in evolution?

* Do you think it's a belief?

* When did you start to believe?

* Are you a strong believer in evolution?

= A scientific method is based on "the collection of data through observation and experimentation..." ~Science Daily

* Could you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true? Something I don't have to receive by faith. Remember, events that occured 65 million years ago can't be observed. If you say "fossil record," please be specific: Give one example.

= "We are condemned to live only for a few decades and that’s too slow, too small a time scale to see evolution going on." ~Richard Dawkins

= "We see nothing of these slow changes in progress, until the hand of time has marked the lapse of ages..." ~Charles Darwin

* You've got the the canine 'kind' with the coyote and the domestic dog, and there's the feline 'kind' which is the cats, the tiger and the kitten and you've got humankind. So, Darwin said there would be a change of 'kinds' over many years so could you give me one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kinds'? I don't want something I have to accept by faith. I want it to be observable. I don't want to have to have faith in the experts, I want to observe it myself. Can you give one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kind'?

* Did we have lungs or gills when we came out of the sea?

* The scientific method must be observable and repeatable, so could you give me one piece of observable evidence for Darwinian evolution, not adaptation or speciation, but a change of kinds? If you say "stickleback fish", you must specify what other 'kind' have they become. These have remained as fish. Remember, Lenski's bacteria are still bacteria. The Galapagos finches are still finches. Their change in beak is adaptation, not Darwinian evolution. There's no different animal involved. I want something which shows me Darwin's belief in the change of kinds is scientific. Can you give me anything that I can see, observe, and test, which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution which is a change of kinds, so that I don't have to exercise faith?

* If you cannot offer any observable evidence for Darwinian (macro, change in 'kind') evolution, how do you know it's true?

* No professor or biology major in the film was able to give observable evidence of a change in 'kind'. Therefore, Darwinian evolution (a change in 'kind') is un-observable. You need millions of years. If Darwinian evolution is not observable, is it scientific?

* You're trusting that the biology majors and professors know what they're talking about and they can't even give evidence of a change of kinds. Do you realize that's called 'blind faith'? Remember, "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence." ~Richard Dawkins

* Do you believe in intelligent design?

* How would you make a rose? A rose has a seed so you've got to start from nothing. Could you make a rose from nothing?

* No professor or biology major in the film was able to claim they were able to make a rose from nothing. For the purposes of this thread, I am going to assume you cannot, either. So if you say there is no intelligent design, where does that leave you on the scale of intelligence if you can't even make a rose?

= "The coccyx vertebrae is an extremely important source of attachment for tendons, ligaments and muscles..." ~Laser Spine Institute

= For years, the appendix "...was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults... Among adult humans, the appendix is now thought to be involved primarily in immune functions." ~Scientific American

= My note: This link discusses erector pili/most body hair and male nipples. [link to www.livescience.com] As a married man I have found a use for male nipples. If you know what I mean. (Ahem.) And I can certainly see that the organ would likely be present on a baby in the womb before its sex is selected with hormones, as the genetalia are identical before selection. Erector pili/most body hair I'm not so certain about. It's hardly earth-shattering evidence but I would like to read more. The first thought that comes to mind is that they're useful for sweat and a slight amount of warmth.

* So could you give me an example of vestigial organs? (I believe it is implied he is asking about human organs.)

* Skeptic websites often examples of famous atheists in an attempt to win converts. But more often than not, the famous personalities cited are not atheists. Aside from Earnest Hemingway (listed in the video), Can you think of any famous atheists which you can validate have never made a statement attesting to their belief in a deity? (At 18:32 in the video, quotes from Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Charles Dawrwin show clearly they are/were not atheists. For the sake of brevity I will not list them here.)

= No professor or biology major in the film was able to give an example of a famous atheist. Ray said, "It is important to know that even though some of these men claim to believe in God, that doesn't mean they are believers in the one true Creator revealed in the Scriptures, or that they're genuine Christians. However, when atheists use theists or agnostics to promote their godless agenda, they're being dishonest. Then again, coming from those who claim that morality is relative to each person, convenient dishonesty should not be a surprise."

* Do you believe in moral absolutes?

* Is rape always wrong?

= PZ Myers essentially answered yes, so the evangelist stated therefore there are moral absolutes.

* So who makes the rules?

* PZ Myers stated that we make the rules. I am going to assume you will say the same. If you did not, no need to answer this question, just ponder it: So if Hitler made the rules and he had the majority, he makes the rules?

= "Evolution is a very harsh and cruel process." ~PZ Myers

* Did Hitler put into practice survival of the fittest? Such as the lion eating the antelope.

* Your pet dog (or insert other beloved pet) and your rotten neighbor are drowning. You can only save one of them. Which would you save?

* The biology majors all chose to save the dog. I am going to assume you will say the same. If you did not, no need to answer this question, just ponder it: So you think dogs are more valuable than human beings?

= "Any fetus is less human than an adult pig." ~Richard Dawkins

* If you believe in evolution it's just a matter of survival of the fittest. Your neighbor's a primate and you've got a canine, and you like the canine more than you like the primate. If the grouchy neighbor drowns, he drowns. Survival of the fittest. Would that be correct?

* Are you an atheist who thinks God doesn't exist?

* An atheist in the movie stated that after we die we cease to exist. Ray Comfort said, "If you were a car and your motor were turned off that would be right, that's inanimate. But you're a living, biological human being with the life of God in you. .. Is there no life in you?" Atheist: "Yes there's life in me." "That's your soul." If you agree with the atheist, how do you know?

* Are you a good person? If there's a heaven, will you make it there?

* How many lies have you told in your whole life?

* What would you call me if I told lots of lies? You'd call me a liar, wouldn't you?

* So what does that make you if you've told lies?

* Have you ever stolen anything in your whole life even if it's small?

* That's called theft. So what are you?

* Have you ever used God's name in vain?

= That's called blasphemy, and it's very serious to use God's name as a cuss word. One atheist said he doesn't believe in God so it's not blaspheming. Ray responded, "Well, if I don't believe in certain laws and still violate them, ignorance of the law is no excuse. So we're still guilty even though we deny a law exists or even don't know about it."

* Jesus said that if you look upon a woman with lust in your heart you've committed adultery. Have you ever looked at another person with lust, such as with pornography?

= If you answered yes to those questions (and I don't know anyone who honestly can't answer anything but yes, myself included), to quote the evangelist, "then by your own admission you're a lying, theiving, blasphemous adulterer-at-heart, and that's only four of the Ten Commandments. Just not believing in hell won't make it go away. A judge must see that justice is done if he's a good judge, and it's the same with God. If we die in our sins God will give us justice. The Bible says that no theif, no liar, no fornicator, no blasphemer, no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God. So if you died in your sins but God gave you justice, because He's holy and perfect morally, you'd end up in hell, and I'd hate that to happen to you."

* Would you sell one of your eyes for one million dollars? Both for 100 million dollars?

= Most would say "no." Your eyes are precious to you. How much more precious is your life?

= "Now let me tell you something you know intuitively. You know that creation is proof of the Creator, God has given you that inner light. So when you look at the genius of God's creative hand, you know God exists because of creation, and the reason you choose evolution is because it gets rid of moral accountability. Evolution lets you believe that lust and theiving are just primal instincts; You're just an animal. The Bible demands moral accountability and says those things are wrong and that's why it's not acceptable to you. That's why you're not seeking after truth. Am I wrong?" ~Ray Comfort (The biology major sighed, paused, and said, "I think you're wrong.")

= "You are a unique human being, made in the image of God with a sense of justice and truth and righteousness. God gave you a conscience. It's inherent. It's shaped by society but it's inherent. You know right from wrong. You've violated His law and I don't want you to end up in hell."

= To a struggling college student: "James, if you put your finger on it, and see if we can, your struggle at the moment is because of your love for sin, because of the pleasure that sin gives you and you don't want to give it up. You're like a man with a money belt filled with gold who's just fallen into the ocean. I'm saying, if you don't get rid of that belt which weighs 80 pounds it's going to take you under. Doesn't matter how much pleasure it gives you, it's not worth losing your life for."

= To a college professor: "You're not a beast. You're a human being created by God in His image with dignity and worth and purpose."

* Do you know what God did for guilty sinners so we wouldn't have to go to hell?

= "God became a human being 2,000 years ago, Jesus of Nazareth, and He suffered and died on a cross, taking the punishment for the sin of the world. You and I violated God's law and Jesus paid our fine. That means God can legally dismiss our case because of the suffering, death and resurrection of the Savior. God can say, 'You're out of here' because someone paid your fine." ~Ray Comfort

= "And then what God can now do is clothe us in the righteousness of Christ, so on Judgment Day you're safe from God's wrath and His justice, because of the death and resurrection of the Savior. If you repent and trust in Him, God will give you a righteous standing in His eyes. He'll wash away your sins in an instant, and He'll grant you everlasting life. His last words on the cross were, 'It is finished.' In other words the debt has been paid. He came to take our punishment upon Himself. So because our fine was paid by another, God can legally dismiss your case." ~Ray Comfort

* Does that make sense? (He was not asking if they believed it, just if the statements made a logical connection.)

* When are you going to die?

= "God knows the exact moment of your death. It could be today, it could be tomorrow. I'm not using scare tactics, this is just straight reality. 150,000 people die every 24 hours, and they were no doubt all making plans for next week, so please think about this." ~Ray Comfort

= "I'm not talking about a religion that says you have to strive to get to heaven, I'm telling you that the Bible says heaven is a free gift of God. You cannot earn everlasting life, doesn't matter how religious you are, how good you are. 'God commended His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.' And then he rose from the dead and defeated death." ~Ray Comfort

= "This is how the Bible puts it: 'For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.' So eternal life is a free gift of God, and it comes because of God's mercy not because of anything we do." ~Ray Comfort

* Does that make sense?

= "I've been reading the Bible at home for over 40 years. There's no mistakes in it. Any mistakes that we think are in it are our mistakes, and you can trust God's Word. Think of how you trust professors and science books that tell you you're a primate? You trust and believe that so how much more should you trust a God who cannot lie?" ~Ray Comfort

* Are you going to think about this?

= "Soften your heart. Don't have so much blind faith in what science tells you and it's left you without any knowledge of what was in the beginning anyway. You haven't got a clue where you come from, you don't know what you're doing here on earth and you don't know what happens after you die."

* Could you be wrong about God's existence?

= An atheist responded, "Yes, but could you be wrong about God's existence?" "No." "Well then I think you're rather closed-minded." "Well if I said to you, could you be wrong about your wife's existence you'd say, "No, I know her. Don't be ridiculous. I know her and love her. And I know the Lord and I love the Lord, and He transformed my life 41 years ago, instantly, overnight, forgave my sins and gave me new desires when I had no desires or thoughts of God for the whole 22 years before I was a Christian."

= "The problem with those who are unable to see evolution, I think, is they don't have imaginations." ~Gail E. Kennedy, PhD, Associate college professor of Anthropology at UCLA

= "Human beings are still fish." ~PZ Myers

* Are you a talking primate?

* Are you a cousin of bananas?

= "I'm accepting that they did their science correctly." ~Biology major

= "I'm going to trust what those experts did, those experts came up with." ~Physics major

= "Darwinian evolution rests on faith. And once again, according to Richard Dawkins, 'Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.' Darwinian evolution requires great faith. The knowledge of God, however, is clearly seen by all mankind. 'For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.' (Romans 1:20-22)" ~Ray Comfort

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Roy Moore #fundie christiannews.net

An attorney who works for Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore has penned a letter to government officials throughout the state, urging them to take a stand for Christ in light last week’s Supreme Court ruling declaring that same-sex “marriage” must be legalized in all 50 states.

“Public officials are ministers of God assigned the duty of punishing the wicked and protecting the righteous,” Win Johnson wrote in a letter sent to Gov. Robert Bentley and other civil magistrates.

“If the public officials decide to officially approve of the acts of the wicked, they must logically not protect the righteous from the wicked. In fact, they must become protectors of the wicked,” he said. “You cannot serve two masters; you must pick—God or Satan.”

He then spoke specifically of the matter of homosexuality, stating that the government can never legalize what God has called unlawful.

“The U.S. Supreme Court, although it claims to have done so in 2003, cannot take something that God calls a crime (sodomy) and declare it not a crime,” Johnson said. “We’re facing something even worse now, the civil government taking a new step and actually requiring the approval and sanctifying by the state of an evil behavior.”

“Public official, what will you do?” he asked. “Will you stand up for the law of Alabama, for the people, for the weak and vulnerable, for the law of God? Or will you capitulate? Will you become complicit in the takeover by the wicked?”

Johnson then sought to dismantle common excuses for capitulation.

“‘I must follow the law,’ you say. Law? What law? There is no law anymore, there’s just opinion,” he wrote. “One day this, one day that. When the law becomes merely the opinion of a handful of people on the courts, there is no longer any law. There is tyranny. There is chaos. But there is no law.”

“Don’t use the Nazi war-crimes trial defense: ‘My superiors (or the courts) told me to do it.’ You’re not standing for the rule of law when you capitulate to a law that defies God and exposes people to the wicked,” Johnson continued. “You’re just a coward making excuses!”

He urged those in authority not to cower or run from their positions, but to stand for the sake of Christ and future generations.

“[W]ill your conscience cause you to resign?” Johnson asked. “Why would you leave the people of this State, their children, your children and grandchildren to the wolves, those who would rend the society apart with their denial of what’s good and evil?”

He concluded by urging officials to remember the Highest Judge to which they will have to give an eternal account.

“On Judgment Day, you won’t stand in front of the media, the advocates of ‘equality,’ or even the federal courts,” Johnson warned. “You’ll stand before the King of Kings, the Judge and Ruler over the Kings of the Earth, Jesus Christ. His law is not subject to the vote of man, and He, as the good and loving author of that law, does not exempt any nation from it.”

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

No one can legitimately condemn a Christian!!! Romans 8:34, “Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” You may murder 500 people and be sentenced to 1,750 years in prison here on earth, but if you are a redeemed child of God, in God's sight you are as sinless as Jesus Christ! That is the miracle of imputed righteousness, which is obtained BY FAITH alone! Romans 4:5-6, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.” Isn't that beautiful? GOD IMPUTETH RIGHTEOUSNESS WITHOUT WORKS!!! That means God the Father credits all of His only begotten Son's righteousness to us, simply because we are relying upon Him. Anyone who relies upon Jesus Christ—Who died on the cross, was buried and raised up the third day—has their sins remitted and has eternal life. Acts 10:43, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

Cardinal George Pell #fundie abc.net.au

George Pell sentenced to six years' jail for sexually abusing two choirboys

Cardinal George Pell has been sentenced to six years' jail for sexually abusing two choirboys when he was Catholic archbishop of Melbourne in the 1990s.

Pell, 77, was found guilty by a jury last December of sexually abusing the choirboys after a Sunday mass in December 1996 and then assaulting one of them a second time two months later.

The man who was once Australia's most powerful Catholic sat in the dock dressed in a black shirt and a grey blazer, without a clerical collar, as County Court Chief Judge Peter Kidd delivered his sentence.

The chief judge described Pell's abuse of two choirboys in the sacristy at St Patrick's Cathedral as "a brazen and forcible sexual attack on the victims".

"The acts were sexually graphic, both victims were visibly and audibly distressed during the offending," he said.

"There is an added layer of degradation and humiliation that each of your victims must have felt in knowing that their abuse had been witnessed by the other."

"There was a clear relationship of trust with the victims and you breached that trust and abused your position to facilitate this offending," the chief judge said.

"I would characterise these abuses and breaches as grave."

Pell will serve a minimum of three years and eight months in jail before he will be eligible for parole.

He continues to deny he sexually abused the boys and has lodged an appeal against his conviction on three grounds, including that the jury verdict was unreasonable.

'Breathtakingly arrogant' offending

Chief Judge Kidd said the power imbalance between the victims and Pell as a senior church official was "stark".

"The brazenness of your conduct is indicative of your sense of authority and power in relation to the victims," he said.

"You may have thought you could control the situation by reason of your authority, as archbishop, whether or not that belief was well-founded.

"Such a state of mind would have been extraordinarily arrogant, but the offending which the jury has found you have engaged in was in any view breathtakingly arrogant."

The chief judge said Pell's abuse had had a "significant and long-lasting impact" on the wellbeing of one of his victims, whom he referred to as J.

"J has experienced a range of negative emotions which he has struggled to deal with for many years since this offending occurred … he has found it difficult because of issues of trust and anxiety.

"I take into account the profound impact your offending has had on J's life."

The chief judge said he did not have the benefit of a victim impact statement from his other victim, referred to as R, who died of a heroin overdose in 2014 and never reported the abuse.

"However on the basis of J's account at trial I am able to say your offending must have had an immediate and significant impact on R," Chief Judge Kidd said.

"Whilst it is not possible for me to quantify the harm caused, or articulate precisely how it impacted on R in the long run, I have no doubt that it did in some way."

The chief judge gave permission for the hearing to be broadcast live by media outlets and the court room was packed with abuse survivors, advocates and journalists.

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Pell's crimes committed at cathedral

The court heard that Pell abused the choirboys, who cannot be identified, after celebrating one of his first Sunday masses as archbishop at St Patrick's Cathedral in East Melbourne.

He caught them drinking altar wine in the priest's sacristy, which was off limits to the choir.

One of the former choirboys gave evidence Pell had planted himself in the doorway and said something like "what are you doing here?" or "you're in trouble".

The then-archbishop moved his robes to expose his penis and forced one of the boys' heads down towards it.

The trial heard one of the choirboys asked: "Can you let us go? We didn't do anything."

But instead Pell moved onto the other choirboy. He pushed the boy's head down to his crotch and orally raped him.

After a few minutes, Pell ordered the boy to remove his pants and then molested him as he masturbated.

Pell abused that boy a second time two months later, after another Sunday mass when he pushed him up against the wall of a corridor in the back of the cathedral and groped him briefly.

Evidence of the abuse came from that former choirboy alone, who was the victim of two assaults.

The Court of Appeal is expected to hear Pell's appeal over two days in June.

Got Questions Ministries #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "What is the right religion for me?"

Answer: Fast food restaurants entice us by allowing us to order our food exactly the way we want it. Some coffee shops boast over a hundred different flavors and varieties of coffee. Even when buying houses and cars, we can look for one with all the options and features we desire. We no longer live in just a chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry world. Choice is king! You can find about anything you want according to your own personal likes and needs.

So how about a religion that is just right for you? How about a religion that is guilt-free, makes no demands, and is not encumbered with a lot of bothersome do's and don'ts? It is out there, just as I have described. But is religion something to be chosen like a favorite flavor of ice cream?

There are a lot of voices vying for our attention, so why should anyone consider Jesus above, say, Muhammad or Confucius, Buddha, or Charles Taze Russell, or Joseph Smith? After all, don't all roads lead to Heaven? Aren't all religions basically the same? The truth is that all religions do not lead to Heaven, just as all roads do not lead to Indiana.

Jesus alone speaks with the authority of God because Jesus alone conquered death. Muhammad, Confucius, and the others molder in their graves to this very day. But Jesus, by His own power, walked away from the tomb three days after dying on a cruel Roman cross. Anyone with power over death deserves our attention. Anyone with power over death deserves to be heard.

The evidence supporting the resurrection of Jesus is overwhelming. First, there were over five hundred eye witnesses of the risen Christ! That is a lot of eye witnesses. Five hundred voices cannot be ignored. There is also the matter of the empty tomb. The enemies of Jesus could have easily stopped all talk of the resurrection by producing His dead, decaying body, but there was no dead body for them to produce! The tomb was empty! Could the disciples have stolen His body? Hardly. To prevent such a contingency, the tomb of Jesus had been heavily guarded by armed soldiers. Considering His closest followers had fled in fear at His arrest and crucifixion, it is most unlikely this ragtag band of frightened fishermen would have gone head to head against trained, professional soldiers. Nor would they have sacrificed their lives and become martyrs—as most of them did—for a fraud. The simple fact is that the resurrection of Jesus cannot be explained away!

Again, anyone who has power over death deserves to be heard. Jesus proved His power over death; therefore, we need to hear what He says. Jesus claims to be the only way to salvation (John 14:6). He is not a way; He is not one of many ways. Jesus is the way.

And this same Jesus says, "Come to me all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28). This is a tough world and life is difficult. Most of us are pretty well bloodied, bruised, and battle-scarred. Agree? So what do you want? Restoration or mere religion? A living Savior or one of many dead "prophets"? A meaningful relationship or empty rituals? Jesus is not a choice—He is the choice!

Jesus is the right "religion" if you are looking for forgiveness (Acts 10:43). Jesus is the right "religion" if you are looking for a meaningful relationship with God (John 10:10). Jesus is the right "religion" if you are looking for an eternal home in Heaven (John 3:16). Place your faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior; you will not regret it! Trust in Him for the forgiveness of your sins; you will not be disappointed.

If you want to have a "right relationship" with God, here is a sample prayer. Remember, saying this prayer or any other prayer will not save you. It is only trusting in Christ that can save you from sin. This prayer is simply a way to express to God your faith in Him and thank Him for providing for your salvation. "God, I know that I have sinned against you and am deserving of punishment. But Jesus Christ took the punishment that I deserve so that through faith in Him I could be forgiven. I place my trust in You for salvation. Thank You for Your wonderful grace and forgiveness - the gift of eternal life! Amen!"

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Jay Rogers #fundie forerunner.com

7. We believe that there are two biblically prescribed punishments enforceable by the state: execution and restitution. We do not believe in jail sentences. We believe in only the biblically prescribed punishments for violations of the moral law.

We do not believe that the state is the final arbiter in all matters pertaining to the moral law. Most of these cases would be resolved within families or within churches. However, only the state may execute criminals for capital crimes; only the state "bears the sword" (see Romans 13).

8. We want civil government to punish evil doers according to biblical sanctions. We want all moral laws of the Old Testament to be enforced according to biblical standards.

Some may object: Isn't this harsh? Isn't this barbaric? No, in fact it will lead to greater liberty for the godly. We want the ungodly punished according to God's Law-Word because it is what God prescribes. We have been conditioned according to a humanistic worldview to reject Old Testament law as "barbaric" or "outdated." God's law is not harsh, barbaric nor antiquated, because God is neither harsh, barbaric nor antiquated!

Kylie Bisutti #fundie imnoangel.org

What Josh did is inexcusable. NOT UNFORGIVABLE.
Proverbs 28:13
Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.

He confessed his sins and asked for forgiveness. His victims as well as the Lord have forgiven him and he has changed and become a better person because of it. I look at this as his testimony of how he came to truly know Christs forgiveness, grace, and love. A testimony to how they grew as a family and grew closer to God. A testimony of how God can forgive even the most inexcusable sins.

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God doesn't just forgive sins like anger, lying, and stealing... He forgives murder, adultery, and rape. This is a testament to how only CHRIST can change a persons heart through his total love and grace towards that person. Parents may do everything they can to raise up Godly children (and I believe we should) but at the end of the day God has to be the one to change the heart.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.

We are all born into sin. We are all born DEAD to sin and it is not until we become born again that we even have the power of the Holy Spirit to flee it. Josh has shown that after God changed his heart, he became a new person.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

He has changed since this time. All because of Christ.

God can change anyone. I'm thankful he changed me and my wretched heart. I'm thankful he forgave and still forgives me of my sins. This doesn't mean that my sins were ok. It's quite opposite. They were inexcusable. Like Josh's. But only a God as big as king Jesus can take the inexcusable and transform him or her into a new creature -- all for His glory. What a testimony of Gods power to restore love in such a hard situation. I look at this and rather than seeing hate and wanting to judge. I SEE CHRIST. I SEE HIS POWER. HIS GLORY. HIS PRESENCE. HIS GRACE. I support the Duggars and I will be a vessel of encouragement to my brothers and sisters in Christ in their time of pain. We are called to love the sinner not the sin and that is what I will do. After all, my family loves me even when I mess up. I don't know what I would do without that love and support. So I will pass it on. The Duggars have never claimed to be perfect or to have all the answers or to be better than anyone -- and they aren't. They are human. We all are. We all make mistakes in our lives. We either learn from them and change our ways (by Gods grace) or we continue in them and play victim. I see that Josh Duggar has learned from his mistake and that he is a child of God. He changed his life and that's an awesome testimony. If we didn't have sin why would we need a savior? We all have sin and are all in DESPERATE need of a savior. And when you experience that saviors unfailing love and forgiveness.... It changes you!

Michael Houdmann #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "Why is the idea of eternal damnation so repulsive to many people?"

Answer: In the shifting winds of modern cultures, the idea of everlasting torment and damnation is difficult for many people to grasp. Why is this? The Bible makes it clear that hell is a literal place. Christ spoke more about hell than He did of heaven. Not only Satan and his minions will be punished there, everyone who rejects Jesus Christ will spend eternity right along with them. A desire to reject or revise the doctrine of hell will not mitigate its flames or make the place go away. Still, the idea of eternal damnation is spurned by many, and here are some reasons for it:

The influence of contemporary thought. In this postmodern era, many go to great lengths to assure no one is offended, and the biblical doctrine of hell is considered offensive. It is too harsh, too old-fashioned, too insensitive. The wisdom of this world is focused on this life, with no thought of the life to come.

Fear. Never-ending, conscious punishment devoid of any hope is indeed a frightening prospect. Many people would rather ignore the source of fear than face it and deal with it biblically. The fact is, hell should be frightening, considering it is the place of judgment originally created for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).

A flawed view of God’s love. Many who reject the idea of eternal damnation do so because they find it difficult to believe that a loving God could banish people to a place as horrific as hell for all eternity. However, God’s love does not negate His justice, His righteousness, or His holiness. Neither does His justice negate His love. In fact, God’s love has provided the way to escape His wrath: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (John 3:16-18).

A downplaying of sin. Some find it shockingly unfair that the recompense for a mere lifetime of sinning should be an eternal punishment. Others reject the idea of hell because, in their minds, sin isn’t all that bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant eternal torture. Of course, it is usually our own sin that we downplay; other people might deserve hell—murderers and the like. This attitude reveals a misunderstanding of the universally heinous nature of sin. The problem is an insistence on our own basic goodness, which precludes thoughts of a fiery judgment and denies the truth of Romans 3:10 (“There is no one righteous, not even one”). The egregiousness of iniquity compelled Christ to the cross. God hated sin to death.

Aberrant theories. Another reason people reject the concept of eternal damnation is that they have been taught alternative theories. One such theory is universalism, which says that everyone will eventually make it to heaven. Another theory is annihilationism, in which the existence of hell is acknowledged, but its eternal nature is denied. Annihilationists believe that those who end up in hell will eventually die and cease to exist (i.e., they will be annihilated). This theory simply makes hell a temporary punishment. Both these theories are presented as viable options to the biblical teaching on hell; however, both make the mistake of placing human opinion over divine revelation.

Incomplete teaching. Many contemporary pastors who do believe in the doctrine of hell consider it simply too delicate a subject to preach on. This further contributes to the modern denial of hell. Congregants in churches where hell is not preached are ignorant of what the Bible says on the subject and are prime candidates for deception on the issue. A pastor’s responsibility is “to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 1:3), not pick and choose what parts of the Bible to leave out.

Satan’s ploys. Satan’s first lie was a denial of judgment. In the Garden of Eden, the serpent told Eve, “You will not surely die” (Genesis 3:4). It is still one of Satan’s main tactics. “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Corinthians 4:4), and the blindness he produces includes a denial of God’s holy decrees. Convince the unsaved that there is no judgment, and they can “eat, drink and be merry” with no care for the future.

If we understand the nature of our Creator, we should have no difficulty understanding the concept of hell. “[God] is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4, emphasis added). His desire is that no one perish but that all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

To contradict the Bible’s teaching on hell is to say, essentially, “If I were God, I would not make hell like that.” The problem with such a mindset is its inherent pride—it smugly suggests that we can improve on God’s plan. However, we are not wiser than God; we are not more loving or more just. Rejecting or revising the biblical doctrine of hell carries a sad irony, which one writer put this way: “The only result of attempts, however well meaning, to air-condition hell is to assure that more and more people wind up there.”

Got Questions Ministries #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "Why is the idea of eternal damnation so repulsive to many people?"

Answer: In the shifting winds of modern cultures, the idea of everlasting torment and damnation is difficult for many people to grasp. Why is this? The Bible makes it clear that hell is a literal place. Christ spoke more about hell than He did of heaven. Not only Satan and his minions will be punished there, everyone who rejects Jesus Christ will spend eternity right along with them. A desire to reject or revise the doctrine of hell will not mitigate its flames or make the place go away. Still, the idea of eternal damnation is spurned by many, and here are some reasons for it:

The influence of contemporary thought. In this postmodern era, many go to great lengths to assure no one is offended, and the biblical doctrine of hell is considered offensive. It is too harsh, too old-fashioned, too insensitive. The wisdom of this world is focused on this life, with no thought of the life to come.

Fear. Never-ending, conscious punishment devoid of any hope is indeed a frightening prospect. Many people would rather ignore the source of fear than face it and deal with it biblically. The fact is, hell should be frightening, considering it is the place of judgment originally created for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).

A flawed view of God’s love. Many who reject the idea of eternal damnation do so because they find it difficult to believe that a loving God could banish people to a place as horrific as hell for all eternity. However, God’s love does not negate His justice, His righteousness, or His holiness. Neither does His justice negate His love. In fact, God’s love has provided the way to escape His wrath: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (John 3:16-18).

A downplaying of sin. Some find it shockingly unfair that the recompense for a mere lifetime of sinning should be an eternal punishment. Others reject the idea of hell because, in their minds, sin isn’t all that bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant eternal torture. Of course, it is usually our own sin that we downplay; other people might deserve hell—murderers and the like. This attitude reveals a misunderstanding of the universally heinous nature of sin. The problem is an insistence on our own basic goodness, which precludes thoughts of a fiery judgment and denies the truth of Romans 3:10 (“There is no one righteous, not even one”). The egregiousness of iniquity compelled Christ to the cross. God hated sin to death.

Aberrant theories. Another reason people reject the concept of eternal damnation is that they have been taught alternative theories. One such theory is universalism, which says that everyone will eventually make it to heaven. Another theory is annihilationism, in which the existence of hell is acknowledged, but its eternal nature is denied. Annihilationists believe that those who end up in hell will eventually die and cease to exist (i.e., they will be annihilated). This theory simply makes hell a temporary punishment. Both these theories are presented as viable options to the biblical teaching on hell; however, both make the mistake of placing human opinion over divine revelation.

Incomplete teaching. Many contemporary pastors who do believe in the doctrine of hell consider it simply too delicate a subject to preach on. This further contributes to the modern denial of hell. Congregants in churches where hell is not preached are ignorant of what the Bible says on the subject and are prime candidates for deception on the issue. A pastor’s responsibility is “to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 1:3), not pick and choose what parts of the Bible to leave out.

Satan’s ploys. Satan’s first lie was a denial of judgment. In the Garden of Eden, the serpent told Eve, “You will not surely die” (Genesis 3:4). It is still one of Satan’s main tactics. “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Corinthians 4:4), and the blindness he produces includes a denial of God’s holy decrees. Convince the unsaved that there is no judgment, and they can “eat, drink and be merry” with no care for the future.

If we understand the nature of our Creator, we should have no difficulty understanding the concept of hell. “[God] is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4, emphasis added). His desire is that no one perish but that all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

To contradict the Bible’s teaching on hell is to say, essentially, “If I were God, I would not make hell like that.” The problem with such a mindset is its inherent pride—it smugly suggests that we can improve on God’s plan. However, we are not wiser than God; we are not more loving or more just. Rejecting or revising the biblical doctrine of hell carries a sad irony, which one writer put this way: “The only result of attempts, however well meaning, to air-condition hell is to assure that more and more people wind up there.”

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/eternal-damnation.html#ixzz3VMhetZD8

Got Questions #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "Why is the idea of eternal damnation so repulsive to many people?"

Answer: In the shifting winds of modern cultures, the idea of everlasting torment and damnation is difficult for many people to grasp. Why is this? The Bible makes it clear that hell is a literal place. Christ spoke more about hell than He did of heaven. Not only Satan and his minions will be punished there, everyone who rejects Jesus Christ will spend eternity right along with them. A desire to reject or revise the doctrine of hell will not mitigate its flames or make the place go away. Still, the idea of eternal damnation is spurned by many, and here are some reasons for it:

The influence of contemporary thought. In this postmodern era, many go to great lengths to assure no one is offended, and the biblical doctrine of hell is considered offensive. It is too harsh, too old-fashioned, too insensitive. The wisdom of this world is focused on this life, with no thought of the life to come.

Fear. Never-ending, conscious punishment devoid of any hope is indeed a frightening prospect. Many people would rather ignore the source of fear than face it and deal with it biblically. The fact is, hell should be frightening, considering it is the place of judgment originally created for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).

A flawed view of God’s love. Many who reject the idea of eternal damnation do so because they find it difficult to believe that a loving God could banish people to a place as horrific as hell for all eternity. However, God’s love does not negate His justice, His righteousness, or His holiness. Neither does His justice negate His love. In fact, God’s love has provided the way to escape His wrath: the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross (John 3:16-18).

A downplaying of sin. Some find it shockingly unfair that the recompense for a mere lifetime of sinning should be an eternal punishment. Others reject the idea of hell because, in their minds, sin isn’t all that bad. Certainly not bad enough to warrant eternal torture. Of course, it is usually our own sin that we downplay; other people might deserve hell—murderers and the like. This attitude reveals a misunderstanding of the universally heinous nature of sin. The problem is an insistence on our own basic goodness, which precludes thoughts of a fiery judgment and denies the truth of Romans 3:10 (“There is no one righteous, not even one”). The egregiousness of iniquity compelled Christ to the cross. God hated sin to death.

Aberrant theories. Another reason people reject the concept of eternal damnation is that they have been taught alternative theories. One such theory is universalism, which says that everyone will eventually make it to heaven. Another theory is annihilationism, in which the existence of hell is acknowledged, but its eternal nature is denied. Annihilationists believe that those who end up in hell will eventually die and cease to exist (i.e., they will be annihilated). This theory simply makes hell a temporary punishment. Both these theories are presented as viable options to the biblical teaching on hell; however, both make the mistake of placing human opinion over divine revelation.

Incomplete teaching. Many contemporary pastors who do believe in the doctrine of hell consider it simply too delicate a subject to preach on. This further contributes to the modern denial of hell. Congregants in churches where hell is not preached are ignorant of what the Bible says on the subject and are prime candidates for deception on the issue. A pastor’s responsibility is “to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (Jude 1:3), not pick and choose what parts of the Bible to leave out.

Satan’s ploys. Satan’s first lie was a denial of judgment. In the Garden of Eden, the serpent told Eve, “You will not surely die” (Genesis 3:4). It is still one of Satan’s main tactics. “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Corinthians 4:4), and the blindness he produces includes a denial of God’s holy decrees. Convince the unsaved that there is no judgment, and they can “eat, drink and be merry” with no care for the future.

If we understand the nature of our Creator, we should have no difficulty understanding the concept of hell. “[God] is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4, emphasis added). His desire is that no one perish but that all come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

To contradict the Bible’s teaching on hell is to say, essentially, “If I were God, I would not make hell like that.” The problem with such a mindset is its inherent pride—it smugly suggests that we can improve on God’s plan. However, we are not wiser than God; we are not more loving or more just. Rejecting or revising the biblical doctrine of hell carries a sad irony, which one writer put this way: “The only result of attempts, however well meaning, to air-condition hell is to assure that more and more people wind up there.”

Neto de Moura and Maria Luisa Arantes #fundie theguardian.com

Women’s rights activists have called for protests after a Portuguese appeal court upheld a light sentence for two men who attacked a woman with a nail-spiked club, on the grounds they may have been driven to it by her adultery – an offence punishable with death in the Bible.

Judges Neto de Moura and Maria Luisa Arantes rejected the prosecutors’ appeal to toughen the suspended sentence and fine, saying the “depressive state” of the two defendants – the woman’s former husband and her former lover – was a mitigating factor.

“We read in the Bible that an adulteress should be punished with death,” the judges in the Porto court of appeal wrote. They also referenced the “symbolic sentences” given to men who murdered adulterous wives in the late 19th century in Portugal.

“These references are merely intended to stress that the society has always strongly condemned adultery by a woman and therefore sees the violence by a betrayed, humiliated man with some understanding,” they wrote in their 11 October verdict.

David J. Stewart #fundie google.com.au

We are living in times of gross injustice, lack of honesty and evil corruption.

U.S. prisons are filled with Americans citizens, over half for non-violent offenses. Why should tax-payers pay those outrageous bills? We need to do it the Bible way, which is to publicly beat them with a whip. In serious cases, like murder, the death penalty is God's way. Please watch, The Criminal Injustice System (an excellent sermon by Pastor Steve Anderson). It is cruel and unusual punishment (a blatant violation of the 8th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution) to lock a man in a cage for the rest of his life. That is not humane, that's barbaric and cruel! Proverb 12:10b, “but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.” The Bible teaches to do unto other as we would have them do unto us (Matthew 7:12).

We live in a merciless, hateful and throw-away society in America. People want others, who hurt their loved ones, to rot in prison for life without any hope of parole; but then they plead for leniency from the courts, when it's their loved ones on trial, facing hard time for crimes done. It is hypocrisy! Americans lack love, mercy and forgiveness. Inmates are not rehabilitated. They are left to rot. The entire American legal system is evil, unfair and corrupt, and everyone working and profiting from “the system” have innocent blood on their hands from their victims!!! Judges and lawyers destroy people's lives, “just doing their job” so-to-speak, but God will hold them accountable for every word (Matthew 12:36), every dollar (Romans 14:8), every thought (Proverbs 24:12) and every deed (Ecclesiastes 12:14). Romans 14:8b, “We are the Lord's.” The way the heathen court system treats a Christian guilty of a crime is how they treat Jesus, for we are His brethren (Matthew 25:40, 45). If justice does not equal the crime, then it is INJUSTICE. No one ever deserves to be locked in a cage like an animal, never, not for any reason. It is barbarianism and cruel, not God's way.

The Insane U.S. Criminal Injustice System

On June 26, 2015, same-sex PERversion was legalized in all 50 states by the heathen U.S. Supreme Court. This is so sick! The very idea of two men sodomizing each other in the anus is intensely disgusting, highly offensive and utterly barbarian. Unbelievably, as recent as 1962, all 50 states rightfully banned sodomy, punishable by imprisonment and hard labor. In just 53 years our nation has turned from righteousness to wickedness!!! We've gone from light to darkness!!! We've gone from being a culture of Bible-believing churches to a culture of apostate religious institutions!!!

ccoyle #fundie rr-bb.com

[On the Orlando shooting]

I read the news item on this attack at Fox News, and they quoted one of the survivors as saying the bar had been just about to close and everyone was taking their "last sip." The horrific irony in that statement was probably not what the speaker intended to communicate, but it was nevertheless there. Every one of us is literally 'one sip' away from meeting the Righteous Judge. The tragedy of the shooting is compounded by the sad fact that those who died have now passed beyond any last chance of repenting, and their eternal condition has been irrevocably determined. No one in the media is likely to comment on this fact, obviously.

Unknown author #fundie en.minghui.org

My eight-year-old daughter is very diligent in studying the Fa and doing the exercises. She has transcribed Master's three books of poems, Hong Yin, Hong Yin Vol. II, and Hong Yin III.

One day Master opened her celestial eye, allowing her to see many beautiful and magical things in other dimensions. She also came across many evil beings and eliminated them by sending righteous thoughts. She saw that when practitioners had a group Fa study, the energy emitted from everyone formed a large ball of light and eliminated many of the evil beings.

We are a family of four and we look like petals of a lotus flower to her. The petal is gray if the person did not cultivate diligently and pink if he/she studied diligently. We understand that our family is a small cultivating entity and no one should lag behind. Therefore, it is important for us to study the Fa together.

One time many practitioners gathered to send righteous thoughts for a practitioner who was unlawfully incarcerated. She saw in another dimension that the practitioner was surrounded by many evil beings, which the practitioners eliminated. However, the evil beings were replenished the minute they were eliminated. Every practitioner was sitting on a lotus flower petal and she sat in the center of the flower. Master was above them supporting their efforts. There were also many heavenly soldiers joining in to eliminate the evil beings, and the scene looked magnificent.

Falun Dafa practitioners must work as one body to form a powerful entity.

My daughter sees Master daily, saves a seat for Master at the table, and waits for him to finish eating. My family feels honored and blessed.

Her older sister did not cultivate diligently in the past. Now, from seeing her progress in another dimension her sister has improved significantly and does the three things well. Her sister suffered from a number of illnesses, which may have been linked to her indulging in playing bad video games. After the family sent righteous thoughts they were eliminated.

When her sister lied, her body became darker, and after she improved, it turned white again. She also saw in her sister's dimension many divine tigers, elephants, and lizards. If her sister practiced Falun Dafa diligently, the animals would eliminate the evil attacking her. If her sister was not diligent, the animals made her feel terrible as a warning for her to study the Fa better. Her sister once threw a tantrum and she saw her sister's sentient beings kneeling down and begging her family to save them and their lord. They said that they would suffer or die if we could not help her sister.

She saw that the worlds of practitioners who cultivated well were beautiful and spectacular, and the sentient beings had abundant food and lived wonderful lives. The worlds of practitioners who did not cultivate well were gray and shabby and the sentient beings were miserable, lacked food, and were attacked by the evil beings.

My daughter said that Master often wrote words with an ink brush. I meditated with one leg crossed because I was afraid of the pain. She said that Master wrote down words for her to tell me, that a lot of karma could be eliminated if I meditated with legs double-crossed. She told Teacher that she could meditate in the full lotus position and that she was not scared even if it may break her legs.

Her father was working very hard to earn a living and seldom studied the Fa. She said that Master was worried and had her tell her father to go home during his lunch break, study the Fa, and send righteous thoughts. When her father went out to distribute Falun Dafa materials, she saw that Master happily gave the materials to many Buddhas and Bodhisattvas in heaven. This made us realize that doing the three things well is sacred.

The little practitioner sent righteous thoughts at school and asked her classmates to quit the Chinese Communist Party and its affiliates. All 51 of her classmates quit within just three days. She sends righteous thoughts during recess. She could see the blackboard through her teacher's body and could see and hear what was going on in the nearby classroom. She could see with the back of her head and her nose.

When we send righteous thoughts, our light columns appear to her soft like water if our righteous thoughts are weak; they are powerful and look like fire and rockets if they are strong.

Everything is alive in her eyes and she can communicate with all things around her. She saw that our computer was female and the printer was male. When we make truth materials, they are very happy if we encourage them.

One time I was attached to lust. She saw that there were 1,000 demons of lust in my dimension. They were very tall, their bodies were red, and they had noses like elephants and ears like cats. She asked Master to help her and she eliminated the demons with righteous thoughts. Within less than five minutes, I felt relaxed and more comfortable than I had ever felt before. She told me that Master surrounded me with white lights. I was very touched. Master helped me with everything he had and the only way I could repay him was to progress more diligently.

A few days later a friend visited me. I held a grudge against her. She told me that there were 10,000 demons of lust in my dimension. I was shocked after realizing that being angry could allow demons of lust to enter my dimension. It is important to rectify our every thought so the evil beings won't exploit our gaps.

The little practitioner saw Master behind me giving me wisdom when I needed it. Master held my hand and helped me write this article. She asked me, “Is it going smoothly? Master is helping you.”

I wrote this article to help other practitioners understand what happens in other dimensions. Words can't express my gratitude to Master for being there when we need him and I can only repay him by studying the Fa diligently.

Thank you Master, thank you fellow practitioners.

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie disqus.com

Progressing Pilgrim:

A good writ, in the name of Jesus, Praise! Relative to confronting false believers, it is true, and the Christian MUST judge all (1 Cor. 2:15). In the same vein, Matthew 7 teaches us to avoid the hypocritical judgement and also tells the hypocrite that comes from fake religions that he will be judged righteously! Therefore, the true Christian needs to have his KJV at hand when preaching the glorious Biblical doctrine and rebuking any pagan and false "Christian" to make them look the fools that they are.

Within our Christian Bible we have the most logical presentation of the way our beloved Jesus operates relative to His people, the true Christians, as opposed to the satanist. As taught to us in Matthew 12:30, the later is ANYONE who is not a real born-again Bible-believing Christian. Relative to these very simple logical syllogisms, we know for a fact that Jesus hates the sinner for his evil (Ps. 5:5). As Pastor Ken Smith (True Christian Church of Jesus, Iowa City) would say, Jesus doesn't just throw sin into Hellfire!

We also know that Jesus loved (past tense!!!) the world enough to offer SOME a way to be Saved in His name. We see various "love theologians" throw around John 3:16 as if that was some sort of trump card proving that Jesus loves everybody, but do these pagan ever read it??? NOT! It states explicitly that only those that believe will be Saved! To wit: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The illustrious verses of John 3:17-18 expand a bit more on this concept, but the Christian already got the idea. Love everyone? NOT!

We also know that the Elect, those that been given the Saving Grace, have repented and accepted Jesus in absolute and genuine manner to become changed men! Relative to this proposition is that once they been TRULY Born Again, they no longer act like the heathen and no longer want to sin. Therefore, we can use our KJV to judge righteously (Lev 19:15) who is and who isn't really Saved in the name of Jesus. The simple proposition relative to this scenario is that in true Biblical math, Grace->Salvation->Born Again transformation that manifests in judgeable behavior!

In that vein we judge the Cathlic, the Mormon, the Episcopalian (and his degenerate cousin, the Anglican), the lieberal Lutheran, the false Presbyterian, and anyone else that doesn't truly believe the Christian Bible, to be the fake, in the name only, "Christians". Dave Hunt is absolutely right that we are to witness to these pagans, and to do so using the Biblical logic of our KJV, as directed in Titus:2:7-8. Even if they don't end up being of the Elect and are not led to salvation, their public embarrassment will make others see what an inane bunch they are, and will bring those others to the side of the Lord!

Dr. Stephen Kim #fundie nycpastor.com

10 WOMEN CHRISTIAN MEN SHOULD NOT MARRY

By Dr. Stephen Kim

In a former post, I detailed 10 men that Christian women ought to avoid when considering marriage.  Today, I present to you my list for Christian men.

“I have perceived among the youths, a young man lacking sense, passing along the street near her corner,taking the road to her house” (Proverbs 7:7-8).

1. The Unbeliever. Scripture is replete with exhortations against such marriages (in both the Old and New Testaments).  Contrary to popular misconception, God’s prohibition against marriages to foreign women in the Old Testament was not due to racism.  Instead, God was simply preventing the spread of idolatry.  Israel, God’s chosen people in the Old Testament, represented what Christians would later represent in the New Testament.  Hence, God’s prohibition against marrying an unbelieving woman in the New Testament (2 Cor 6:14) is simply the extension of God prohibiting a Hebrew man from from marrying a Canaanite woman in the Old Testament (Deut 7:3-4).  “Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you” (Deut 7:3-4).

What then, is a believer?  A Christian essentially is someone who believes in the gospel of Jesus Christ.  What then, is the gospel?  The gospel is: 1. God is holy, loving, and just.  He therefore, must condemn all sinners to punishment in the flames of eternal hell;  2. You and I are all sinners who deserve nothing but God’s wrath in hell after our deaths; 3. God loved humanity so much that He sent His only Son, Jesus (who was fully God and fully man), to die on the cross for your sins.  Jesus paid the debt for your sins and absorbed God’s wrath on your behalf.  3 days later, Jesus resurrected from the dead; 4. If you repent (turn from) all your sins and personally put your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord, God and Savior, then you will have eternal life. (For more information on the saving message of the gospel, click here.)

2. The Divorcee. Jesus clearly taught that unless the first marriage ended due to a partner’s sexual infidelity, a second marriage is to be considered invalid and adulterous (I explain this teaching further here).  A divorced woman, therefore, is off limits for a Christian man–unrepentant adultery being a sin that prevents one from obtaining eternal life (1 Cor 6:9).  “If she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery” (Mark 10:12). “And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery” (Matthew 19:9).
ultery” (Matthew 19:9).

3. The Older Woman. Not a sin, but certainly not God’s ideal.  God expects men to be the spiritual leaders of the home (Eph 5:25) and it certainly requires an extra measure of grace to lead a woman who’s older than you.  Again, if you’re a man and you’re already in such a marriage, then honor it till the day you die–it’s still a valid marriage and divorce is not an option!  However, if you’re not yet married but thinking about an older woman I want to remind you that God intentionally (with good reason!) created Adam before Eve in the First Marriage.  Scripture informs us that God created man first chronologically for the sake of authority!  Listen:  “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve” (1 Timothy 2:12-13).  Evidently, within the First Marriage, God intended chronology (age) to be a reason for authority.

Apparently, even secular researchers are now beginning to discover results that back up God’s wisdom as demonstrated in the Bible:

“If you’re a woman two or more years older than your husband, your marriage is 53 percent more likely to end in divorce than if he was one year younger to three years older.” (Source: Rebecca Kippen, Bruce Chapman and Peng Yu, “What’s Love Got to Do With It? Homogamy and Dyadic Approaches to Understanding Marital Instability,” Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research, 2009.)“Marriage generally improves life expectancy, but the age gap between a couple affects the life expectancy of men and women very differently.  Marrying an older man shortens a woman’s lifespan, but having a younger husband reduces it even more, the study found.  The findings, drawn from the medical records of two million Danish couples, suggest that the best a woman can do is marry a man of about the same age. Health records have shown previously that men live longer if they have a younger wife, an effect researchers expected to see mirrored in women who married younger men. However, a woman who is between seven and nine years older than her husband has a 20% greater mortality rate than if she were with a man the same age.” (Source: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/may/12/marrying-younger-man-woman-mortality“A new study shows that women who marry men seven to nine years younger than they are increase their mortality risk by 20 percent. This is the opposite of the finding for men who marry much younger wives – their life expectancyincreases. The new study from the Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research in Rostock, Germany, changes assumptions about how marriage can extend life, owing in part to improved support systems spouses can provide for one another, and the supposed psychological benefit from having a younger spouse, who could become a caretaker should the older spouse become infirm.” (Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/for-married-women-age-gap-can-be-deadly/
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4. The Feminist.  There’s no room within Christendom for the “Christian feminist.”  Though women and men have equal value in the eyes of God (Gal 3:28), they certainly have different God-given roles.  Any woman who tries to usurp her husband’s authority or even claims to be a co-leader with her man is gravely dishonoring the God who created her to be subject and obedient to her husband (Eph 5:22, Col 3:18, 1 Pet 3:1).   Eve was distinctly created “for” man, a point that the apostle Paul makes abundantly clear in 1 Corinthians 11 when he writes, “For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.” (1 Corinthians 11:8-9).  Men, your wife is to be your “helper” (Gen 2:18)–not your leader and certainly not your equal in terms of authority.  Look for a woman who agrees with you in this very vital God-ordained relational dynamic.

5. The Immodest-Dresser.  Sexy might inadvertently catch your eyeballs, but it shouldn’t catch your heart.  The way that a woman is willing to expose herself says much about her heart: “And behold, the woman meets him, dressed as a prostitute, wily of heart” (Proverbs 7:10).  The text in Proverbs explains that a woman will dress in a certain way to catch a certain type of man.  Don’t be that man.  Don’t be the fool who’s led by his hormones instead of the Holy Spirit.  Remember: you want godly, not gaudy.  

6. The Gossiper/Slanderer.  Women may love to talk, but there’s wisdom in looking for a woman who speaks with wisdom. Gossip and slander are not good things to have in your marriage. Desperate housewives make for desperate husbands.  “Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.” (1 Timothy 5:13).

7. The Childbirth Avoider. Do not marry a woman who is not willing to have children of her own.  In the Christian worldview, there is absolutely no room for two married, biologically capable, human beings to remain intentionally child-less.  If you are adverse towards having children, then there’s a simple remedy for that: single-hood.   However, if God has called you to marriage, then He actually expects children.  Both the New and Old Testaments are very clear on this teaching: “Did he not make them one, with a portion of the Spirit in their union? And what was the one God seeking? Godly offspring” (Malachi 2:15).  “Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control” (1 Timothy 2:15).

8. The Wander-Luster.  There’s nothing wrong with the occasional family vacation.  There is something very wrong with a girl who regularly needs to be “out of the home.”  The constant desire for new experiences, new places, new faces, and new forms of entertainment only serves to clearly manifest the fact that the woman has not found her rest in God.  Believe it or not, Scripture speaks repeatedly about such women:  “She is loud and wayward; her feet do not stay at home” (Proverbs 7:11); “Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to” (1 Timothy 5:13).

9. The Career-first Woman. Now, I want to clarify something here.  There is nothing wrong with a woman who works (Acts 16:14), what’s wrong is a woman who puts her career ahead of her family.  Modern American society might hate to hear this, but God made men to be the providers and women to be the nurturers of the home (in most instances).  It’s okay for a woman to be a doctor, attorney, or any other professional.  However, if her career is coming at the expense of her home, then something is wrong.  If day-care is raising her young children while she’s working, then something is wrong.  I understand that there might be a season of life where the wife might have to be the main bread-winner due to her husband’s unemployment, but it should not be the desired norm. The woman ought to be willing (and even desirous–to some extent) to give up her job for the sake of raising her kids in the Lord.  “So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander” (1 Tim 5:14).

10. The Devotion-less Woman.  Is the woman having a regular, daily devotional time with her God?  If she doesn’t love the Lord now, chances are, she won’t love the Lord after marriage.  (Don’t delude yourself–you’re not going to change her.)  You want to marry a girl who has an intimate relationship with Jesus.  Jesus (not you) has to be the first man in her life.  Here are some good questions to ask: Does she have an active prayer life?  Does she have a heart for evangelism?  Is she hungry for God’s Word?  What does her pastor think about her?

Do you remember this account from Scripture:

Now as they went on their way, Jesus entered a village. And a woman named Martha welcomed him into her house. [39] And she had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet and listened to his teaching. [40] But Martha was distracted with much serving. And she went up to him and said, “Lord, do you not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Tell her then to help me.” [41] But the Lord answered her, “Martha, Martha, you are anxious and troubled about many things, [42] but one thing is necessary. Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her.” (Luke 10:38-42 ESV)

Marry the Mary (no pun intended).  Such women have picked “…the good portion, which will not be taken away” from them. God be with you men.  Strong families start with strong wives.  Choose wisely and choose in the Lord!

Michael Gibbens #sexist bbc.com

A US judge has found that two girls, aged 13 and 14, were partly to blame in a sex abuse case involving a 67-year-old man - and reduced his sentence.

County District Judge Michael Gibbens said "the victims in this case, in particular, were more an aggressor than a participant in the criminal conduct".

He reduced the sentence of Raymond Soden, who was convicted last year.

Prosecutors are considering an appeal. A child rights group said the girls were the victims, not the aggressors.

Soden was sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison, less than the minimum of 13 years called for by Kansas sentencing guidelines.

The judge said the girls went to Soden's house voluntarily and had taken money for sexual favours.

"They were certainly selling things monetarily that it's against the law for even an adult to sell."

Mohamed Nagy Shehata #fundie theguardian.com

The judge who sent three al-Jazeera English journalists to jail in Egypt has accused them of being in league with the devil in a 57-page explanation of his verdict.

Judge Mohamed Nagy Shehata sentenced Mohamed Fahmy, Peter Greste and Baher Mohamed last month to between seven and 10 years in jail on charges of aiding terrorists and falsifying news. At the time, diplomats and rights observers described the charges as baseless, the process as flawed and the trio's jailing as an attack on free speech.

In his first statements since the trial, Shehata said "the devil encouraged them to use journalism and direct it towards actions against this nation".

WKCude #fundie christiannews.net

(="‘I Am a Christian’ Gaga Claims, Calls Pence ‘Worst’ Christian Example as Wife Works at School Prohibiting Homosexuality"=)

This "pretender" to the Faith has no concept of the depth and scope of her inborn and natural proclivity to sin; and profanely and contemptuously so while being completely ignorant of the fact that she is not known by Christ. She is not one of His beloved redeemed. Ms. Gaga has measured herself as "righteous" and able to judge another "righteously," BUT looks through the scrim of her personally developed theology. And such a theology is darkness borne through Satan's system of standards.

It is very doubtful that Ms. Gaga has ever heard the true Gospel of Christ exhorted by a doctrinally sound pastor-teacher; has ever read an authorized version of the Bible; has ever developed a personal fellowship with one of the truly redeemed of Christ; and has ever come to that point in eternity where her heart has yearned to be forgiven and reconciled to God. She does not understand how profanely arrogant her sin of adding to and taking away from God's Word is. She is in a terrible place of storing up God's wrath. Yet, God's mercy and grace can abound for her also. John 6:44-45, 65.

Burncel #sexist incels.co

In my ideal society instead of imprisoning females who commit a crime, they would be sentenced to sexually service incels. Incel men could register to perform this service, no chads allowed since this would not be a punishment for females.

Sentence would vary depending on the severity of the crime. A minor offender might be sentenced to give blowjobs to incels. For serious crimes like making a false rape accusation would have a sentence of many rapes. For the most serious crimes you could sentence the female to a free-for-all gangrape?

If no incel wants to perform the sentence the female would be sent to jail, like in the case of old or unattractive females.

Seems like a win-win to me, incels would relieve their sexual frustration and be valued by society for performing a service that chad can't do.

The Malaysian Government #fundie bbc.com

A competition launched on the health ministry's website offers up to $1,000 (£780) for the best videos tackling "gender confusion".

Responding to an outcry from LGBT activists, the health ministry said that its aim was to promote creativity, not to discriminate.

The contest is for 13- to 24-year-olds.

Their entries should explore prevention and control; issues and consequences; and how to get help, said the ministry's website.

In a statement, Deputy Director-General of Health Lokman Hakim Sulaiman said: "This creative video competition is purely to tap knowledge and creativity of adolescents on sexual and reproductive health related matters and does not intend to create discrimination to any particular group."

The competition, which closes at the end of August, has three main categories: gender confusion, sex, and sex and the internet.

The guidelines cited gay and lesbian people, transgender people and tomboys as examples of people who suffered from "gender confusion".

"The very fact that they lump LGBT people under a category called 'gender confusion' shows that the authorities are very much confused themselves," activist Pang Khee Teik told AFP news agency.

"It is mind-blowing that a government agency wants the whole country to be sucked into its confluence of confusion," he said.

"I was shocked. This is encouraging discrimination, hatred and even violence towards the minorities," transgender activist Nisha Ayub told Reuters.

Homosexual activity is illegal in Malaysia under both secular and religious laws.

It is punishable by a prison sentence or corporal punishment.

In March, the release of Disney's Beauty and the Beast was postponed in the country, because it contained a "gay moment".

Despite demands from the Malaysian censorship board, Disney refused to remove the scene, featuring LeFou, their first openly gay character.

The Malaysian board eventually conceded and it was shown uncut.

A prominent Malaysian opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim, was jailed for sodomy in 2014, after a court overturned his earlier acquittal. In elections in 2013, he led a three-party alliance which posed the strongest-ever challenge to the coalition which has governed Malaysia for more than half a century.

Saudi Arabia #fundie msnbc.msn.com

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced, a newspaper reported Sunday.

The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women, arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.

Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.

The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz said.

The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.

Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.

The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets, universities and other public places looking for such infractions as unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.

In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing investigations.

(unknown) #fundie jesus-is-lord.com

REALITY CHECK--THERE IS NO "CHRISTIANITY" ("CHRISTIANITY" IS AN ARTIFICIAL DESIGNATION); TRUE CHRISTIANS BELONG TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD--THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMETH NOT WITH OBSERVATION, BUT IT IS REAL AND IT IS POWERFUL

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles preached the kingdom of God; there is not a word in the Bible about something called, "Christianity". The kingdom of God is that region where God reigns--where his subjects hearken to his word and obey it.

KINGDOM, noun [king and dom, jurisdiction.]
1. The territory or country subject to a king; an undivided territory under the dominion of a king or monarch.
2. The inhabitants or population subject to a king.
4. A region; the place where any thing prevails and holds sway.
5. In Scripture, the government or universal dominion of God.
11. Government; rule; supreme administration.

In the kingdom of God--

[li]King: God[/li]
[li]Region: heaven and earth[/li]
[li]Laws/Commandments/Precepts/Ordinances/Statutes: the word of God, the holy Bible (the Authorized Version of 1611 -- the work of nations and ages)[/li]
[li]Citizens: Those that have been born again. They fear God and obey his word as it is written. They are called saints, disciples, lambs, sheep, Christians, servants of righteousness (Romans 6:18), servants of Christ (Ephesians 6:6), servants of God (1 Peter 2:16), etc.[/li]

They are

[li]a peculiar treasure unto God,[/li]
[li]a kingdom of priests,[/li]
[li]an holy nation (reference Exodus 19:6),[/li]
[li]a chosen generation,[/li]
[li]a royal priesthood,[/li]
[li]an holy nation (reference 1 Peter 2:9-10).[/li]

God's people are

[li]a peculiar people; that they should shew forth the praises of him who hath called them out of darkness into his marvellous light (reference 1 Peter 2:9-10),[/li]
[li]as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house,[/li]
[li]an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ (reference I Peter 2:1-5),[/li]
[li]made kings and priests unto God by the Lord Jesus Christ who loved them, and washed them from their sins in his own blood, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (reference Revelation 1:5-6)[/li]

[li]Type of Government: Commonwealth of freemen (see Ephesians 2:12), holy and living under God's word (The fear of God causes them to depart from evil, therefore they do not steal, etc., they are self-governed under the law of God). The saints are subject to every ordinance of man (rulers that are sent by God for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well) for the Lord's sake (see 1 Peter 2:13-14).[/li]
[li]How men gain entrance into the kingdom: Through the blood of Jesus. Men must REPENT of their sins (Matthew 9:13), and BELIEVE the gospel--that Christ died for their sins, was buried, and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and OBEY his word (Hebrews 5:9) [Article: How to Get to Heaven (for more information).][/li]

In the kingdom of God, there is only one body, consisting of likeminded individuals who have, by one Spirit, been baptized into one body, the body of Christ. We are to have one mind, the mind of Christ. We have his word (the Authorized Version of 1611) and we have his Spirit. God's people are one people, having gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us. We purge ourselves of evil ways and, being fit for the Master's use, find our place in the kingdom and, by God's grace, we work. The gifts--including prophesy--are real, they effect real results.

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Unfortunately, in this time when the end times are upon us and the seals of Daniel and Revelation are being opened, they are being opened before a visible church that, for the most part, is disobedient. Even those that consider themselves "Bible believers" often do not believe in prophesy. Many, many are the persons that are holding on to doctrinal peculiarities and heresies that define the church division to which they cleave--whether Baptist, Calvinist, etc. Some may consider themselves "Bible believers" but they do not even know what prophesy is.* It is here--in this visible arena of church people cleaving to heresies--where one encounters what has been improperly/blasphemously called "Christianity". In the popular mind, "Christianity" seems to be the grouping together of anybody who professes anything about the Lord or the Bible--no matter how wrong and unbiblical. This artificial grouping could include groups as diverse as Roman Catholicism's goddess worship, Mary Baker Eddy's Christian Science, false prophet Ellen G. White's Seventh Day Adventism, John Calvin's Calvinism, Lutheranism with its "consubstantiation", Baptist dispensationalism, Lutherans and Martin Luther's "consubstantiation," antinomian dispensationalist Baptist, Russellism (Charles Taze Russell's followers are now called, "Jehovah Witnesses"), etc.

Unfortunately, today when a person wants to know God, he is often going to encounter one of these groups and that group's particular errors. Notwithstanding this grievous and troubling situation, the seal of God standeth sure; the Lord knoweth them that are his. May no true sheep get loaded down or stay loaded down with errors that they learned in a false church.

*We are to desire to prophesy (reference 1 Corinthians 14:1). The prophet speaks unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort (reference 1 Corinthians 14:3). He tells men what God wants them to hear. In the scriptures, they often say, "Thus saith the Lord."

wcknight #fundie forums.catholic.com

[Just because you believe it's true doesn't mean it happened, and neither does 400 people claiming to be raised from the dead make it true without evidence. A larger number of people (as far as I know) claim to have seen and/or been abducted by aliens, does that make it true?]

First off it's not 400 people claiming to be resurrected, its 400 folks who were raised from the dead with hundreds if not thousands of eye witnesses.

It's a bit different with UFO's, they don't stick around to testify about it. BUT believe (or don't believe what you want). You follow the old adage, for the non-believer no amount of proof is ever sufficient. For most here no proof is necessary. These things only confirm what we already know.

The Ranger #fundie christiannews.net

That's because your short sighted you can't see past this temporary life to the eternal one Jim. We will all stand before a righteous judge. God will not be mocked that which a man sows is that which he shall reap. It does not matter where you believe it or not I warn you. You will be held accountable for your actions if not in this life certainly the next. Christ and him crucified for the world is your only escape 3" how can we escape, if we neglect so great salvation witch at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;" Hebrews 2:3. It's not over till its over. 7"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he reap 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting Galatians 6 : 7 - 8. I WARN YOU!