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jdhowes #fundie livescience.com

Warning: Former Evolutionist's Testimony...

Evolution Definition: The changing of one species into an entirely new lifeform.

Occam's Razor: "When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

As a former, super devout evolutionist... this simple approach, mixed with that old fashioned scientific method (Theory, Observation & Conclusion)... and using just plain old commonsense... forever destroyed my faith in evolution... why?

1. Neither Creationism nor Evolution can be proven by the Scientific Method. (i.e. -neither can be observed)

2. Only Creationism honestly explains (in simple terms) where Space, Time, Energy & Matter came "from" 1 second before the Big Bang. Evolution cannot... why? Unlike Creationism (a supernatural / Trans-reality concept) ... Evolution can only explain what happened 1 Second "After" the Big Bang... because it is completely stuck with time & space. It does not know where Space, Time, Energy & Matter came from.

3. Why is it so hard to believe there is a Super Scientist (called God) with a lab existing outside our reality who intelligently planned & cooked up this awesomely cool reality (With such diversity... exists?

4. Creationism explains that a perfectly created life form was designed (with 1 or 2 sexes per species) and is perfectly suitable for its environment... or able to adapt (without changing species) to other environments.

5. Evolution cannot explain how changing species (or half baked) lifeforms in the middle of change could survive, adapt, mate and/or survive. Single sex lifeforms... perhaps... but we have two sex species on this planet. So, how did male & female species know how & when to evolve into a new sexually compatible lifeform... at the same time... in the same locale in order to mate, reproduce and prevent extinction? Random chance? Repeated billions of times for each life form? And you laugh at our belief in a Creator who did all this... intentionally? - Wow!

6. Scientist can't make up their minds about evolution... life... the beginnings of our reality. I got tired of them always changing their minds. They are frustrated little 'gods' who like to complicate the simplistic... because if God exists... that's just too humbling for many to handle.

Conclusion: The Creation Museum is open to scrutiny... they don't mind... they love discussing the science, facts, proofs that (don't prove) but best & easily support their beliefs better than Evolutionists do. They don't shy away from talking to Evolutionists... just the opposite.

I grew up watching Evolutionists insult and arrogantly close their minds to "alternate" beliefs... especially supernatural ones... that threatened their fragile belief system. Evolutionists see "truth" as something to fear... and perhaps they are right. But for the Creationist... truth is a welcomed friend.

Eric hyde's Blog #conspiracy ehyde.wordpress.com

I write very little in the area of Christian vs. atheist apologetics anymore, and for good reason.

It was in atheist chat-rooms and blogs that I first cut my teeth in theology many years ago. Since those days I have not heard anything new from atheists.

It seems that many atheists today (some like to use the title ‘New Atheists’ to distinguish them from the more profound philosophical atheists of yesteryear) have very little to add to the discussion. To be fair, the same goes with most Christian apologists.

However, I thought it would be fun to comment on the ten arguments I hear the most. My hope is that it will help expose some of the more obvious problems with them and maybe help both sides—atheists and Christians alike—to move on to more interesting debate material.

One additional note: another reason I do not enter into the atheist-Christian debate world much anymore is because of the sheer discourtesy that both sides tend to show the other. I will not delete any comments, no matter how uncivil or juvenile they become, because, for me, it is an important part of the article. The responses (if there are any) will demonstrate the current state of atheist vs. Christian banter. Also, I will not respond to rude posts. This is advanced warning so please don’t think me rude as well if I ignore them.

Okay, here we go:

1. There is no evidence for God’s existence.

There are a couple of problems with this line. Starting with the idea of ‘evidence,’ what exactly does one mean by evidence? What is sufficient evidence for one person is often not sufficient evidence for another. A court of law provides innumerable examples of how two parties can possess the same collection of data, the same power of logic and reasoning, yet argue for completely different interpretations of the data. The old saying is true: the facts do not determine the argument, the argument determines the facts.

When confronted with the charge that there is no evidence for God the Christian often does not know where to start with a rebuttal. It’s as G.K. Chesterton once said, asking a Christian to prove God’s existence is like asking someone to prove the existence of civilization. What is one to do but point and say, “look, there’s a chair, and there’s a building,” etc. How can one prove civilization by merely selecting a piece here and a piece there as sufficient proofs rather than having an experience of civilization as a whole?

Nearly everything the Christian lays eyes on is evidence of God’s existence because he sees the ‘handiwork’ of God all around him in creation. But this is hardly sufficient evidence in the court of atheist opinion, a court which presupposes that only what can be apprehended by the senses rightly qualifies as evidence (in other words, the atheist demands not evidence of God’s handiwork, but rather material evidence of God Himself). For the Christian who believes in a transcendent God, he can offer no such evidence; to produce material evidence of God is, ironically, to disprove a transcendent God and cast out faith. If one desires God to appear in the flesh, well… He already did. But even if one lived at the time and could touch Christ in the flesh, this would still not “prove” God’s existence in the scientific sense (science has no such categories).

The second part of the line is equally short-sighted. What does one mean by ‘existence’? If one means, ‘that which has come into existence,’ then surely God does not exist because God never came into existence. He always was; He is eternal. This was a famous assessment of the matter by Soren Kierkegaard (dealing with Hegel’s dialectic of existence). The argument is a bit involved, so for times sakes I’ll just have to state it and leave it there.

2. If God created the universe, who created God?

This is one of the more peculiar arguments I’ve ever come across. Those who use this charge as some sort of intellectual checkmate have simply failed to grasp what Christians understand as ‘eternal.’ It is an argument usually levied once a theist posits that God is required for the existence of the universe (a necessary Being upon which all other things exist by way of contingency). Some atheists then shift the weight over to the theist saying, “Well then who created God?” (which demonstrates a failure to understand God as the source and ground of being rather than God as simply one more being among other beings in existence, follow this link for more.) What is a Christian to do but smile at such a question? God is the antecedent of all things in creation and is eternal. If God had a Creator then His Creator would be God. God is God precisely because He does not have a creator.

3. God is not all-powerful if there is something He cannot do. God cannot lie, therefore God is not all-powerful.

Bang! Owned.

Not so fast. This argument would be fantastic—devastating maybe—if God was more of the ancient Greek god persuasion, where the gods themselves were subject to fate and limited to their specific roles in the cosmos. The Orthodox doctrine of God is much different. Christians (at least Orthodox Christians) view God’s ontology as subject to His perfect free-will. Why is He good? Because He wills to be good. Why does He not lie? Because He wills to be honest. Why does God exist as Trinity? Because He wills it. He could just as easily will to not exist. And yes, He could just as easily will to lie. The fact that He doesn’t is no commentary on whether He could.

(Note: Due to the immense amount of discussion that this point has raised, one clarifying statement is worth noting. An argument based on strict logical word games can render the idea ‘all-powerful,’ or ‘omnipotent’ self-defeating. When one considers the juvenile question, “Can God create a rock so big that He can’t lift it?” this point becomes clear. But in reality, such an argument winds up further solidifying what Christianity means by an all-powerful God. For the Christian it simply means that all power and authority are God’s. Following the logical word game above forces the believer to make a redundant proclamation in order to remain consistent: “God cannot overpower Himself.” But this fact is anything but confounding, it merely stresses the point that there is no power greater than God, so much so that one is forced to pit God against Himself in order to find His equal.)

4. Believing in God is the same as believing in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

What I love about this well-worn atheist ‘argument’ is that it actually serves to demonstrate how vastly different a belief in God is to these myths and imaginations. When one honestly assesses the Judeo-Christian doctrine of God he will find multiple thousands of years of human testimony and religious development; he will find martyrs enduring the most horrific trauma in defense of the faith; he will find accounts in religious texts with historical and geographical corroboration; etc (these fact are of course not ‘proofs,’ but rather ‘evidences’ that elicit strong consideration). Pit this against tales of the Tooth Fairy, Santa, and Spaghetti Monsters and one finds the exact opposite: no testimony or religious refinement, no martyrs, no historical and geographical corroboration, etc. Instead, one finds myths created intentionally for children, for point making, or for whatever. It’s strawman argumentation at its worst.

5. Christianity arose from an ancient and ignorant people who didn’t have science.

Indeed, those ancient, ignorant people who believed in the virgin birth of Christ must have believed it because they did not possess the knowledge of how babies were born. Goodness. The virgin birth of Christ was profound and of paramount concern to the ancients precisely because they understood that conception was impossible without intercourse. Ancient man considered the virgin birth miraculous, i.e., impossible without divine action (and at the time most people scorned the idea), and the same could be said with every miraculous story in Scripture.

Indeed ancient people did not have the Hubble telescope, but they were able to see the night sky in full array, something almost no modern person can claim (thanks to modern lighting which distorts our ability to see the full night sky). On average, ancient people lived much closer to nature and to the realities of life and death than many of us moderners.

In terms of a living relationship with these things the ancients were far more advanced than we are today, and this relationship is essentially the nature of religious inquiry. If people lack religious speculation today, maybe it is because they spend more time with their iphones and Macs then with nature. Maybe.

But the claim that Christianity was viable in the ancient world because it was endorsed by wide spread ignorance is a profoundly ignorant idea. Christianity arose in one of the most highly advanced civilizations in human history. The Roman Empire was not known for its stupidity. It was the epicenter of innovation and philosophical giants. I would wager that if a common person of today found himself in a philosophical debate with a common person of first century Alexandria, the moderner would be utterly humiliated in the exchange.

6. Christian’s only believe in Christianity because they were born in a Christian culture. If they’d been born in India they would have been Hindu instead.

This argument is appealing because it pretends to wholly dismiss people’s reasoning capabilities based on their environmental influences in childhood. The idea is that people in general are so intellectually near-sighted that they can’t see past their own upbringing, which, it would follow, would be an equally condemning commentary on atheism (if one was consistent with the charge), but the idea is fairly easy to counter.

Take the history of the Jewish people for example. Let us say that to ‘be’ Jewish, in the religious sense, is much more than a matter of cultural adherence. To be a Jewish believer is to have Judaism permeate one’s thinking and believing and interaction with the world. But is this the state of affairs with the majority of the Jewish people, whether in America, Europe, Israel, or wherever? One would have to be seriously out of touch to believe so. The same phenomenon is found within so-called Christian communities, that is: many sport a Christian title, but are wholly derelict in personal faith. “Believing” in Christianity is a far more serious endeavor then merely wearing a church name tag. Indeed, being born in a Jewish or Christian centric home today is more often a precursor that the child will grow up to abandon the faith of his or her family, or at least be associated with the faith by affiliation only.

7. The gospel doesn’t make sense: God was mad at mankind because of sin so he decided to torture and kill his own Son so that he could appease his own pathological anger. God is the weirdo, not me.

This is actually a really good argument against certain Protestant sects (I’ve used it myself on numerous occasions), but it has no traction with the Orthodox Christian faith. The Orthodox have no concept of a God who needed appeasement in order to love His creation. The Father sacrificed His own Son in order to destroy death with His life; not to assuage His wrath, but to heal; not to protect mankind from His fury, but to unite mankind to His love. If the reader is interested to hear more on this topic follow this link for a fuller discussion.

8. History is full of mother-child messiah cults, trinity godheads, and the like. Thus the Christian story is a myth like the rest.

This argument seems insurmountable on the surface, but is really a slow-pitch across the plate (if you don’t mind a baseball analogy). There is no arguing the fact that history is full of similar stories found in the Bible, and I won’t take the time to recount them here. But this fact should not be surprising in the least, indeed if history had no similar stories it would be reason for concern. Anything beautiful always has replicas. A counterfeit coin does not prove the non-existence of the authentic coin, it proves the exact opposite. A thousand U2 cover bands is not evidence that U2 is a myth.

Ah, but that doesn’t address the fact that some of these stories were told before the Biblical accounts. True. But imagine if the only story of a messianic virgin birth, death, and resurrection were contained in the New Testament. That, to me, would be odd. It would be odd because if all people everywhere had God as their Creator, yet the central event of human history—the game changing event of all the ages—the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ had never occurred to them, in at least some hazy form, they would have been completely cut off from the prime mysteries of human existence. It seems only natural that if the advent of Christ was real it would permeate through the consciousness of mankind on some level regardless of their place in history. One should expect to find mankind replicating these stories, found in their own visions and dreams, again and again throughout history. And indeed, that is what we find.

9. The God of the Bible is evil. A God who allows so much suffering and death can be nothing but evil.

This criticism is voice in many different ways. For me, this is one of the most legitimate arguments against the existence of a good God. The fact that there is suffering and death is the strongest argument against the belief in an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving God. If suffering and death exist it seems to suggest one of two things: (1) either God is love, but He is not all-powerful and cannot stop suffering and death, or (2) God is all-powerful, but He does not care for us.

I devoted a separate article addressing this problem, but let me deal here with the problem inherent in the criticism itself. The argument takes as its presupposition that good and evil are real; that there is an ultimate standard of good and evil that supersedes mere fanciful ‘ideas’ about what is good and evil at a given time in our ethical evolution, as it were. If there is not a real existence—an ontological reality—of good and evil, then the charge that God is evil because of this or that is really to say nothing more than, “I personally don’t like what I see in the world and therefore a good God cannot exist.” I like what C.S. Lewis said on a similar matter: “There is no sense in talking of ‘becoming better’ if better means simply ‘what we are becoming’—it is like congratulating yourself on reaching your destination and defining destination as ‘the place you have reached.’”

What is tricky for the atheist in these sorts of debates is to steer clear of words loaded with religious overtones. It’s weird for someone who does not believe in ultimate good and evil to condemn God as evil because He did not achieve their personal vision of good. So, the initial criticism is sound, but it is subversive to the atheist’s staging ground. If one is going to accept good and evil as realities, he is not in a position to fully reject God. Instead, he is more in a position to wrestle with the idea that God is good. This struggle is applauded in the Orthodox Church. After all, the very word God used for his people in the Old Testament—“Israel”—means to struggle with God.

10. Evolution has answered the question of where we came from. There is no need for ignorant ancient myths anymore.

This might be the most popular attempted smack-downs of religion in general today. It is found in many variations but the concept is fairly consistent and goes something like this: Science has brought us to a point where we no longer need mythology to understand the world, and any questions which remain will eventually be answered through future scientific breakthroughs. The main battle-ground where this criticism is seen today is in evolution vs. creationism debates.

Let me say upfront that there is perhaps no other subject that bores me more than evolution vs. creationism debates. I would rather watch paint dry. And when I’m not falling asleep through such debates I’m frustrated because usually both sides of the debate use large amounts of dishonesty in order to gain points rather than to gain the truth. The evolutionist has no commentary whatsoever on the existence of God, and the creationist usually suffers from profound confusion in their understanding of the first few chapters of Genesis.

So, without entering into the most pathetic debate of the ages, bereft of all intellectual profundity, I’ll only comment on the underlining idea that science has put Christianity out of the answer business. Science is fantastic if you want to know what gauge wire is compatible with a 20 amp electric charge, how agriculture works, what causes disease and how to cure it, and a million other things. But where the physical sciences are completely lacking is in those issues most important to human beings—the truly existential issues: what does it mean to be human, why are we here, what is valuable, what does it mean to love, to hate, what am I to do with guilt, grief, sorrow, what does it mean to succeed, is there any meaning and what does ‘meaning’ mean, and, of course, is there a God? etc, ad infinitum.

As far as where we come from, evolution has barely scratched the purely scientific surface of the matter. Even if the whole project of evolution as an account of our history was without serious objection, it would still not answer the problem of the origin of life, since the option of natural selection as an explanation is not available when considering how dead or inorganic matter becomes organic. Even more complicated is the matter of where matter came from. The ‘Big Bang’ is not an answer to origins but rather a description of the event by which everything came into being; i.e., it’s the description of a smoking gun, not the shooter.

That’s it… my top 10 list. Thanks for reading. Cheers.

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

The debate is only pointless to creationists. For these who promote evolution, they can only exist as an arguement against creationism. Darwin took the theory of natural selection and mixed a lot of nonsense into it and tried to use it as a weapon or a arguement against creationism. Evolution is a debate against Creationism. If there was no debate, then you would no longer have the "theory" of evolution. Darwin took the theory of natural selection and mixed a lot of nonsense in with it, then he half heartedly tried to use it as a weapon or a debate against Creationism. What is amazing is that anyone took it serious. What they should have done was to purge natural selection of evolutionary "theory". But it was the only weapon they had against Creationism and thus against the Creator, so they had no choice but to go with what Darwin gave them to work with.

thewordwatcher #crackpot #dunning-kruger #conspiracy concaveunbound.wordpress.com

The issue of the size of the cosmos and intergalactic distances calculated in billions of light years: With the altitude (distance from the earth’s surface) the distances and probably all external dimensions of all bodies decrease, so that approaching the center of this our “universe” the space ship to which we fly it will be smaller and the distance it will travel in a unit of time flying at the same speed, also. It resembles quite a peculiar version of Theory of Relativity, where as it is known, it is not possible to achieve the speed of light, because as you approach this speed, all dimensions of the moving body and its distance to other bodies decrease so that it is not able to reach the speed light. In addition, the passage of time for this body also changes. From a mathematical point of view, it will probably be a sequence converging to the border (in particular to zero) where one meter on the surface of the Earth remains one meter, but the same real one meter near the center of the Earth we can already observe as a billion light years. Which means that the closer to the core of the galaxy, the velocity decreases accordingly, and at the core itself is equal to zero – which is caused by the huge gravitational repulsion of the nucleus. For this reason, getting to the core of the galaxy becomes absolutely impossible! However, the surface of our Earth is almost immobile relative to the core of the Earth, where the Earth’s crust has no gravitational force – but more on that later. The entire mystery of the internal space model is based on the concept of space transformation. All points outside the Earth, let’s move to its center, where all sizes decrease accordingly, and in the center of the Earth form its nucleus. In the same way, all possible laws of physics are transformed into the interior of the Earth’s galaxy. And so the unreal universe and the unimaginable distances and spaces created with the help of mathematics and astronomy, transform into the real world of the inner galaxy, only by adding a tiny, innocent minus against the result of mathematical action, which was inadvertently not set up a few hundred years ago.

The question of the inability to see the other side of the Earth, the concave sphericity of the Earth, sunsets, day and night: All this explains the postulate of some parabolic curvature of light always towards the center of the Earth (up). This means that the Sun, moving at a certain distance from the Earth’s surface, around the center of the Earth, should always be visible (though at various angles) and it should never be at night. This is not the case, however, because at noon, when it is right above our head, everything is normal, then in the morning and in the evening the sun can be seen much lower than it should be at the ground, because the light from it does not fly to us straight line, only turns up. This means that then the light that came out of the Sun in our direction is no longer able to reach us, because it turned into space above us. However, the light that reaches us, came out from the Sun towards the area of the earth much further from us, and closer to the Sun, but turned over the ground so that it reaches us horizontally, which makes us see the Sun at the horizon. This horizontal light also runs into outer space and then we stop to see the sun, because the light that was reaching us horizontally was probably for the obvious reasons, the last one we could see.

The seasons arise because the sun and the planets do not move on a fixed orbit, but on spiral or up and down orbits. It is also possible that it is not the sun, but the axis of the Earth relative to the core of the galaxy that changes its position, but rather it is impossible.

Before you start making fun of this theory, I recommend making a small experiment with a permanent magnet and a lighter, which science knows perfectly but deliberately does not want to answer uncomfortable questions that could have so harmoniously built a mathematical Copernicus model to knock down ruins. Here he is: We hang a magnet on the wire and heat it with a lighter for a few minutes. As we know from experiments in physics lessons, that due to temperature the magnet will completely lose its magnetic properties over time. According to scientific research, the Earth’s magnetic field occurs naturally around the Earth and corresponds approximately to the magnetic dipole field with one magnetic pole near the geographic North Pole and with the other magnetic pole near the South Pole. The line connecting the magnetic poles forms with the axis of the Earth’s rotation an angle of 11.3 degrees. The magnetic field stretches several dozen thousand kilometers from the Earth, and the area in which it occurs is called the Earth’s magnetosphere. Geographers and physicists teach us that there is magma in the Earth’s core, and it escapes volcanoes in the form of liquid lava. The temperature of the lava reaches 1350-1400 degrees Celsius, and its solidification occurs at temperatures of 600-800 degrees Celsius. Now, please answer for yourself a simple question: ‘How is it that in the middle of the earth such high temperatures prevail, and the Earth does not lose its magnetic field, despite the fact that the experiment with a magnet and lighter apparently proves the loss of magnetic properties under the influence of heat? ‘. I’ve heard that science is beginning to change the concept of Earth’s magnetism, and says that the Earth is one great dynamism that is constantly in a rotational motion, where its nucleus rotates but in the opposite direction, creates its magnetic field. Hmmm – as it will be, we will soon find out that we humans are really only biorobots, created by UFOnauts, and our brains are ultra-modern 256-bit biological microchips with ultra-fast memory with a capacity exceeding 5 Yobibyte, which I already had read from Science Fiction publication.

ThePottersClay #fundie youtube.com

I believe the bible is the inspired word of God and nothing should be added or taken away from it. Man should never twist God's word to fit his own world view because the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God.

God created the Sun, Moon, and stars on the fourth day, however grass, fruit, trees, and all other vegetation were created on day three... The bible mentions God created two great lights, the greater to rule the day and the lesser to rule the night, which I believe means exactly what it says "Two" great lights, meaning the moon is giving it's own light. Man tells us the moon is a giant rock reflecting the first "great light".

We are told the sun, moon, and stars are for signs and seasons and to "give light on the earth". That means the stars were created to light the earth like it says, it also means they are considered "lesser lights" seeing as how there were only two "great lights". Man tells us stars are enormous, a lot of which are much larger than our own sun and millions of times larger than the earth light years away all with solar systems of their own. Does it make sense that God created a vast infinite universe including all stars, planets, and galaxies on day four but spent the rest of creation week focusing on the earth making plants, animals, and people? :) The stars are much smaller and much closer than modern day monkey man science would have us believe, and they've been placed above our head as God's giant celestial clock so when we "look up" we know what time it is.

There are several places in the bible that tell us one day the stars will fall to the earth, in fact Jesus himself tells us this. This is a problem for me, because it really paints us into a corner and we only have so many options to believe. Either A: Jesus did not know what stars were, which I don't believe because he is God and most definitely knows what stars are. Or B: Jesus knew what stars were, he even said the word that meant stars, but really he meant asteroids/comets/and meteors. I don't believe this either, because Jesus himself is the truth and would not lie to his disciples or deceive them in any way saying one thing but meaning something else. Or C: Jesus knew exactly what the stars were and meant that near the end of days stars would literally begin to fall out of their place in the firmament above to the earth below. Here again if we listen to man, it would be like a trillions of flaming beach balls hitting a single grain of sand. The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God.

In Joshua 10 12-14 and Isaiah 38 7-8 we see something. The Lord stops the sun from going down a full day in Joshua, and makes the sundial go backwards 10 degrees in Isaiah. Both of these instances would mean the globe earth stopped it's rotation completely and in Isaiah's case rotated backwards in order for the sun to do this in the sky. The truth is the earth is flat and stationary and the much smaller and closer sun circling over head stopped, and in Isaiah's case went backwards.

How bout the tower of Babel? If the world was a spinning globe why didn't God just let them build it? They couldn't have survived outer-space. Why was Nimrod trying to build it for that matter, wouldn't the enemy at least know it was a globe? Wouldn't the tower eventually have been destroyed when reaching the point where the 1038mph atmosphere that's spinning with the earth meets the non rotating vacuum of space? Aren't the temperatures up there pretty inhospitable as well? Seems to me if things are like we are told in science the problem would have solved itself but instead God had to intervene. The truth is they were trying reach the firmament, and God knew what they were trying to do and he stopped them.

Once you realize the truth you'll read the entire bible with new eyes. Many atheist have been saved do to finding out the truth that we are in-deed created, praise God! Even though the flat earth is unconventional, God can use anything to bring lost sheep into the fold and will. If you really look into it, you will see what Satan has done, and what our father is doing :)

Skid #fundie bibleforums.org

The secular version of evolution really goes back to what they call the beginning when stars exploded in space and the debris collected together to form the earth. Then apparently a single cell, or several cells survived millions of degrees of heat, then sub zero temperatures of space and evolved into plants, animals and humans. In my opinion that is so lame that I cant believe it is actually taught in schools as the "big bang theory" and evolution. I can see adaptation being called evolution to an extent, but living cells evolving into all the different things on this Earth? Besides why would there ever have been living cells in a star to begin with. Or were the living cells just floating around in space and the debris picked them up? Gee, where did the living cells come from to begin with? Must be chemicals floating around in space just happen to randomly come together in space to form the millions of different living things on Earth.
Also, why do I have my soul/spirit, and you have yours? I wonder how science explains that one?
I am sorry, I guess I just believe wholeheartedly that God created everything including Adam (from dust, just as His Word says).
The good news is that science is supporting biblical scripture more and more all the time.

Jason Collins #fundie forum.myspace.com

"If you're going to debate religion, especially Faith vs. Non Belief, don't quote the Bible..."

I've definately had enough of this nonsense!

One of the anti-Christian arguments I hate the most is the one that says "the Bible can't prove itself" or "the Bible can't be true because the Bible says so". Anyone with half a brain and a serious curiosity for honest truth should know that it's silly to think the Bible actually and merely says "The Bible is true". The Bible is a collection of statements and works describing human nature and systematically explaining the Truths of internal spiritual reality by means of metaphor and allegory, not a statement written by one man that merely says "this statement is true". It's as ridiculous to say "the Bible can't prove itself" as it is to say "this mathbook can't prove itself" or even "this fictional storybook can't prove itself"--anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant, dishonest, or maliciously trying to make the belief in the ideas of the Bible appear stupid without giving any real argument against them.

Jason Lisle #fundie books.google.com

[The Ultimate Proof of Creation, Chapter 3]

A debate over biblical creation is a lot like a debate over the existence of air. Can you imagine two people debating whether or not air exists? What would the critic of air say? Whatever the argument, he would have to use air in order to make them. Not only is air crucial to the survival of the critic, but air would have to exist in order for his arguments to be heard and understood. It would seem strange for someone to argue over the existence of air, while simultaneously breathing, and expecting his arguments to be heard as the sound travels through the air. In order for a critic of air to be able to make an argument, it would have to be wrong.

Likewise, the evolutionist must use biblical creation principles in order to argue against biblical creation. In order for his argument to make sense, it would have to be wrong. Ironically, the fact that evolutionists are able to argue against creation proves that creation is true! Evolutionists must assume the preconditions of intelligibility in order to make any argument whatsoever; they must assume things like laws of logic and uniformity of nature. But these preconditions of intelligibility do not comport with an evolutionary worldview; they only make sense if creation is true. Hence, we have an ultimate proof of creation: we know that biblical creation must be true because if it were not, we could not know anything at all.

baconbits #fundie forums.narutofan.com

(Evolution as a theory is not proven and I'll agree, but none the less it is a theory developed through scientific observations. There was nothing scientific about the development of creationalism or genesis.)

Actually that's untrue. Creation is a very viable scientific viewpoint, but the only problem is that it is a miraculous event and therefore those who debate it scientifically have to not only support it through the science of a young earth but also combat the theories to the contrary.

(So again when you debate this we are debating why we would teach evolution over creationalism in science class.)

I don't think you should because evolution is no more defensible from the evidence than you accuse creationism to be, especially when you combine it with atheism. If you are an atheist evolutionist explain the creation of the first cell? As an evolutionist explain how mutations lead towards dramatic changes?

Intelligent design explains things as they are. Species were created for the enviornments they now exist in and genetic variation creates a specialization within kinds that further specializes a species. Therefore mutations have limits and cannot transcend the type of animal they were begun in as indicated by the famous genetic experiment involving fruitflies.

thatallogirl #fundie thatallogirl.tumblr.com

okay call me petty or w/e but seeing “space ace” stuff genuinely annoys me like we coined “space gay” first (i think it came from that “are you a space gay a forest gay or an ocean gay” post) but no gay people can’t even identify with the concept of space as an aesthetic without people trying to take it and say “no this is an ace thing”

#ace discourse #i am a bitter space gay #discourse.txt #the great space ace debate

Kris Harpster #fundie quora.com

My choice is to not respond. It’s not my place to arm wrestle anyone over to my belief. If another “hears” truth in my words, and that leads them on a path in search of more truth, then I have planted a seed. If another resonates completely with my words, then that person is validated in their belief, and feels deeply seen and understood. I don’t personally believe that spiritual understanding can be taught to those who are not in a spiritual position to be taught.

I know, from my experience, spiritual understanding is not an intellectual enterprise. It’s truth beyond words and intellectual concepts. The intellect can be utilized to help illuminate truth, but this is useless as a tool to convince a nonbeliever. A nonbeliever doesn’t understand the truth is beyond intellect, and thinks that if the believer cannot win an intellectual debate, he is disproven. When the truth is, the intellectual debate is entirely outside the realm of spiritual truth.The intellect can only be used to indicate. The reality is beyond words. Using arguments made of words causes the reality to be lost.

Conservapedia #fundie conservapedia.com

In regards to atheism and evolution, a majority of the most prominent and vocal defenders of the evolutionary position which employs methodological naturalism since World War II have been atheists. Creationist scientists assert that the theory of evolution is an inadequate explanation for the variety of life forms on earth.

Creation scientists tend to win the Creation-Evolution debates and many debates have been held since the 1970's, particularly in the United States.

Darwinian evolutionary theory, at least in the mind of John Q. Public, is the number one argument for atheism.

Ray Comfort & Kirk Cameron #fundie fortpatriot.com

[Part of the description for a board game called, Intelligent Design vs Evolution]

Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution is deliberately biased, because there are only two alternatives when it comes to human origins. Either we are the result of intelligent design or we are the result of the opposite - unintelligent design. We were either created by a God whose genius is infinitely beyond human reasoning, or the entire creation of flowers, birds, trees, the sun, the moon, the stars, the seasons, the marvel of the human body, etc, all happened by accident. Most who blindly believe the theory of evolution have no idea how unscientific it is. Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution is more than a game - it is an educational expose of perhaps the greatest hoax ever pulled over the eyes of secular humanity.

David Barton #fundie rightwingwatch.org

Barton, who says that the Founding Fathers like Ben Franklin opposed Net Neutrality, claims he also knows the views of the Founding Fathers in the debate over whether schools should teach Creationism alongside evolution in public schools. Naturally, Barton says that the Founding Fathers “already had the entire debate on creation and evolution,” and sided with Creationism.

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Barton continues to lash out at “deconstructionism” in the education system for distorting the truth about the Founding Fathers, arguing that the Founding Fathers did not support slavery or engage in the practice themselves. While Founding Fathers like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Patrick Henry were all slaveholders, Barton has created his own theory of the cause of the American Revolution: the Founding Fathers’ desire to reject the British Empire’s endorsement of slavery. “That’s why we said we want to separate from Britain, so we can end slavery,” Barton said:

He concluded his talk by saying “I want to see Christians take over the Democrat Party, I want to see Christians take over the Republican Party, I want to have a fight for who has the more Biblical candidate.” Barton, a proponent of Seven Mountains Dominionism, called on people “to move the most Godly candidate through” both parties.

Pastor Matthew #fundie youtube.com

Evidence proves nothing, and Dr. Lisle knows this and teaches this. He is merely pointing out that all observable objects or "evidence" is judged according to one's worldview. DNA does show we Christians evidence of God's mighty work. The unbeliever has no choice but to assign some other explanation. It is a fallacy to believe that anyone can be "objective", unbiased, as the self-declared "rationalist" or "reasonable" person claims. The critic of creationism is delusional to believe that this ordered universe came about accidently by random chance. Darwinian evolution is a mere attempt to explain the origin of everything with the insistence that there is no god. To say that there is no god is to insist that one has been everywhere in the universe, has access to all knowledge, and that if there is a God, He must appear to them on their terms. No wonder the Scriptures record God's judgment of such people as fools.?

MrVersatile48 #fundie christianforums.net

I've long wanted to do a thread @ the insanity of wasting trillions of dollars in space programs' insane quest for excuses to ignore God's laws & promote atheism - esp as so many are starving, homeless & poor in today's world

Today's EU probe news means now is the ideal time [...]

If you search @ "space probe costs", you get a link that falsely claims that it costs NASA less to send a probe to Mars than it would cost Hollywood to make a movie @ it

Does anyone recall the very sarcastic '70s Larry Norman song @ the cost of the '69 moon landing?

It talked @ the huge media frenzy over the samples of moon rock & the end said, "Only cost $13 billion dollars: musta been nice rocks!!"

Even @ '69 costs of moon probe, against today's cost of movies, I seem to recall recent TV shows & magazine features about the multi-MILLION costs of the Top 50 most popular films ever

If you add 26 years of inflation to space probe costs, it is even more obvious that cover-ups keep true costs from the public

There are 3m+ homeless in Kashmir alone

& a VERY high % of Earth's peoples are seriously under-nourished

Derryck Green #fundie derryckgreen.com


All Christians Should Support Capital Punishment.

Shane Claiborne- a social justice activist, a progressive Christian who runs the Simple Way community in Philadelphia, and an author who published Executing Grace earlier this summer about the death penalty- was recently interviewed by Relevant Magazine about what he claims is the Christian obligation to reject capital punishment.

Claiborne seems sincere in his religious opposition to capital punishment but his reasoning (in this piece but also his book) to support abolition are in conflict with biblical justifications for the death penalty, and don’t make much sense.

For example, Claiborne says-
“The consistent life ethic is beautiful. It says, “We are uncompromisingly going to stand for life.” The early Christians did that; they unilaterally spoke against violence in all forms. But what’s happened… pro-life has come just to mean anti-abortion… But it’s not the only life issue.
…The death penalty raises one of the most fundamental questions of our faith which is: Is any person beyond redemption? At the end of the day I think there are a lot of reasons to be against the death penalty, but for a Christian who believes that Jesus died to spare us from death and this idea of grace or as Scripture says “mercy triumphs over judgement.”

This is a bit convoluted and attempts to hide moral relativism posing as, but distorting, Christianity.

“Violence in all forms?” So murder, rape, and punishment for both are all morally equal and can be comparably defined as violence? How? Based in what functioning moral universe? The Bible and Christian orthodoxy are clear that gradations of violence, sin, and punishment exist precisely because of the morality attached to them.

The idea that one has to reject capital punishment to maintain pro-life ethical consistency is a false dichotomy, completely ignoring biblical teaching on the matter.
In my opinion- and based on the Bible, to be pro-capital punishment is to be pro-life.

It’s why the divine injunction of capital punishment (specifically related to intentional murder) is the only command repeated in each of the first five books of the Bible, beginning in Genesis 9:6, a universal proscription and application which predates the judicial and ceremonial laws of theocracy of ancient Israel. As such, this divine directive can’t be rationalized away as an injunction that was both historically and geographically explicit to the ancient Hebraic religious cultic practice.

So, why is supporting capital punishment equal to being prolife? The answer is found in the above scriptural passage: “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.” This divine imperative foreshadows the language found in the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue- “You shall not murder.” It’s precisely because we’re created in the image of God, that (premeditated) murder must be punished with this kind of required severity. Murdering a fellow human is a moral offense to God and must be treated and responded to as such.

Capital justice rightly roots out the evil in our midst, preserving the lives of the majority. It’s a tool properly used by the government to protect and defend human life, not a course of cheap vengeance. As stated earlier, all ‘violence’ isn’t the same because of the morality attached and required response to it. Those who commit the most grievous of crimes and worthy of the death penalty are killed, preventing them from re-committing their reprehensible acts, which violate the safety and security of other people.

Sparing the life of one worthy of capital punishment, for example a murderer, increases the chances that he or she will murder again. Are Christian abolitionists of the death penalty willing to see another innocent person murdered by someone that should’ve been put to death? Shane Claiborne and other Christian abolitionists of the death penalty never confront the real statistical possibility that by ‘executing grace’ to a condemned murderer allows him or her the ability to commit more violent acts and committing murder again- of another inmate or a correctional officer while imprisoned, or another civilian if/when they’re released from the penitentiary due to shortened sentences. I’m not sure the consciences of these Christian abolitionists of capital justice confront the reality that their “compassion” facilitates more murders of innocent people, and they’re obligated to explain how this unsound position and gamble can be characterized as compassionate.

Furthermore, Claiborne’s petition that no one is “beyond redemption” doesn’t factor in the dispute against capital punishment. The argument is that no person- regardless of the moral depravity evidenced in the actions s/he’s committed- is beyond repentance, spiritual conversion and redemption. As such, a person shouldn’t be condemned to death via capital punishment, but should be spared and given opportunities to be spiritually rehabilitated and saved.

Unfortunately, there are some people who’re simply beyond spiritual repair. History is chockfull of examples of people who committed atrocities against others who never repented of their evil acts. History also testifies that many people sentenced to prison for a determined length of time- up to life in prison- didn’t express remorse or realize spiritual restoration.

The redemption of the felon on death row is between the felon and God. It’s up to God to have mercy on him/her; we on the other hand, have to do what’s right and necessary for the preservation of civil society by protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty. Sparing the condemned doesn’t do that. It sends exactly the wrong message about life’s sacrosanctity to other violent criminals that have yet to be brought to justice. Abolishing the death penalty shows preferential treatment for the murderer at the expense of the murdered. Again, how is this grace or compassion?

Even still, the “beyond redemption” appeal by Christians as a religious protest misses a couple key points.

God works on his time- not ours. The potential of the condemned being redeemed isn’t predicated on his exemption from capital punishment- as if God needs as much time as possible to transform and save the lost.

What if the guilty rejects redemption? Life imprisonment, rather than death for the possibility of redemption is a huge moral gamble that doesn’t make sense.
Since the time-sensitive potentiality of the condemned being redeemed is considered, why isn’t the alternative? Rather than giving both God and the condemned inmate ample time to get to know each other, why don’t Christian opponents of capital punishment contemplate the prospect that the spiritual conversion of death row inmates might increase if the death penalty was more efficient and accelerated? Increasing the urgency of death could prompt a change of heart that 30 years on death row won’t.
To the point, being spiritually redeemed doesn’t revoke earthly punishment.

Claiborne continues-
“Today, black people are about 13 percent of the overall population, but they’re 34 percent of executions and 43 percent of death row.
We like to say it’s about the most heinous crimes, but really the biggest determinants in capital punishment are the race of the victim and the resources of the defendant.”
This is dishonest and Claiborne either knows it, or at the very least, he’s exceedingly naïve.

Claiborne completely ignores the severity of the crime(s) committed- the reason(s) why a person is on death row- and implies that the disproportionate numbers of blacks on death row and their executions are primarily the result of racial and economic factors, not (im)moral ones. Christians who share this position of disparate impact completely ignore or excuse the violent acts committed by black felons deserving of the death penalty, which are readily available from the FBI or the Bureau of Justice Statistics/Department of Justice.

Intentionally excusing blacks from human moral obligation and agency isn’t benevolence; it’s condescending racial paternalism used to advance a superficial agenda masquerading as justice.

Absolving blacks from moral standards and expectations that everyone else is subjected to might qualify as “compassion” or “justice” in the morally ostensible world of social justice activists. In the real world of cause and consequence, the majority of people on death row are there as punishment deserving of the crimes they’ve committed. If Claiborne is concerned about the disparate impact of capital punishment on black lives, he should instead focus on highlighting and condemning the contributing factors that facilitate the disproportional participation of blacks in violent criminality- the causative factor(s), which qualifies black felons for the death penalty.
Extending leniency to villains as compensation for their evil guarantees the actions of evil- including murder- will increase.

Sparing the life of the murderer doesn’t demonstrate compassion; it devalues it.
Of course, Claiborne and other Christian abolitionists argue that the ministry of Jesus in the New Testament has vacated the Old Testament moral and legal prescriptions for capital punishment. But this is a form of theological and biblical service buffet- simply taking away what one likes and ignoring what one doesn’t so as to reinforce one’s ideological predeterminations.

Despite arguments to the contrary, Jesus didn’t annul capital punishment in his Sermon on the Mount. During his Sermon in Matthew 5, Jesus says,
“You have heard it said, ‘An eye for eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.”

How exactly is this nullification against the divine command of killing a murderer? Clearly, Jesus is referring back to the Levitical law of proportionality (Ex. 21:24, Lev. 24:19-21a), meaning that punishments should fit the crimes committed rather than exceeding them. Jesus’ teaching in the Sermon isn’t rescinding the command to punish murderers by death. Rather, he’s teaching his listeners- first century commoners and other marginalized groups- how to respond to insults and offenses in interpersonal relationships. This subversive teaching regarding self-control instead of retaliation in the face of public humiliation had nothing to do with government, governmental authority or how government was to administer punishment.

Aside from misinterpreting and misapplying Jesus’ teaching from the Sermon on the Mount as an argument in favor of abolishing the death penalty, Christian opponents of the death penalty ignore or misinterpret Romans 13:1-5. Here Paul says that the government, being a servant of God, doesn’t bear the sword in vain. Rather, it rightly punishes criminals for committing evil. The Greek word for sword combined with the implication of the passage makes clear that Paul was indeed saying that civil government has a responsibility to protect its constituents, which included punishing by death those who commit evil, violence and threaten public safety.

A moral society that values life is duty bound to protect its citizens. It also has a moral obligation to prove the high value of life by punishing those who intentionally and without reservation, devalue it. In my opinion, contemporary Christian abolitionists of capital punishment undermine the sacredness of life by “compassionately” regarding murderers at the expense of the murdered, and future murderers at the expense of the future victims of murder. By seeking to end of the death penalty, they’re surrendering their responsibility to defend and maintain the inimitable value of human life using the pro-life teachings of Christianity to defend a pro-death position.

Capital punishment is a touchy subject and good arguments can be made to support both sides of the debate. But many of the arguments advanced by Claiborne- in addition to Pope Francis (here and here) and other Christian opponents of the death penalty, thus far, aren’t good arguments and they contradict and undermine the Bible in the process.

I Have Facts (AKA Shawn Kuhn) #fundie twcenter.net

And this is what happens when public schools teach children that being intellectual is greater than actual truth. As long you sound intellectual, well theres 3/4 of the debate won, from there on out liberals can just lag down any real progress with semantics and hypotheticals.

A liberal will typically never concede any point, because to them finding the truth is not the reason they are debating. Instead, they debate to 'flex their intellectual muscle' if you will... truth to a liberal is merely an 'abstract'.

This is why 99/100 its pointless to debate liberals who 'think' they are intellectuals.

Creation is substantiated through facts (archaeology, science, history, the Bible), evolution is pure speculation and nothing more than a fairy-tale alternative to submitting to God.

Before you accuse me of not supporting myself, please review all my previous posts (in vain) concerning this issue.

Listen here Christians!

The only slightly tangible way to debate a liberal about God and creation is to sit them down with the Bible and let it do the talking. Now that being said, liberals cringe and reel at the thought of Gods Perfect Word. Why? It demands moral accountability, and according to the liberal religion of humanism, everything is relative.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relativism

This ties right in with the concept of evolution,

If we all came from monkey's and not created by an almighty God then even the concept of right and wrong just comes down to a chemical reaction in the brain. Who is to say the chemical reactions in my brain that leads me to commit murder is wrong?! Or for that matter, any other moral truth...

If I ever debate a liberal, it's usually for the benifit of on-lookers, not in the hopes of actually changing my opponents mind.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

[Debating Evolution]

No --- I live by one major concept I learned when it comes to debating.

And I am just quoting the concept, I am not ad homineming anyone here.

* Never argue with an idiot - he will drag you down to his level, then beat you to death with experience.

You'll very seldom see me use evolution to try to defeat evolution.

I leave it to Scripture to back up my points, and if Scripture can't do it, it's not worth discussing.

Rayburne F. Winsor #fundie postmillennialworldview.com

I once posted a long comment on a similar article by Randy Alcorn entitled: Do you believe God created the universe in six literal (24 hour) days? I certainly do. I really am not concerned with how many (is it 38%) “evangelical Christians are compromising the truth of God’s Word regarding the sex literal (24-hour) days of creation in Genesis by bowing down to scientific opinion (“from the goo, through the zoo, to you” evolution) that accommodates millions of years to the days of Genesis rather than the clear,straightforward , literal meaning of six literal (24-hour) days in Genesis. There is no warrant biblically, scientifically or linguistically for doing so (from the perspective of the ancient Hebrew language). I have posted many long comments why I oppose theistic evolution (accommodating long ages to the literal days of Genesis) as not biblical. Jesus Christ himself accepted the Genesis account of creation (Matthew 19:4), including the supernatural creation of Adam and Eve, as well as the biblical account of Noah’s Flood (which would radically alter everything modern uniformitarian geologists have learned in Geology) as historical fact (Matthew 19:: 4, Matthew 24:37-39). We should not be surprised by this when we remember that, though many leading scientists (i.e. “scriptural geologists”) resisted the “old earth” ideas of James Hutton and Charles Lyell (Uniformitarianism) and defended scripture as both true and scientific, Regrettably, it was Christians, not evolutionary scientists, who first lead the charge against scripture, beginning in the 1800s when theologians (theistic evolutionists) readily adopted the “old earth” ideas, of Lyell (uniformitarianism) instead of Noah’s Flood. The Bible believing scientists of the day were in a difficult position of trying to defend scripture when even theologians (who compromised the literal history of Genesis) were against them. The situation remains even worse today, despite recent scientific discoveries about the universe, atom, the internal structure and incredible complexity of cells, DNA, the natural world, etc. Believing scientists, though understandably still in a minority, are leaving Darwinian Evolution, recognizing that strictly natural processes, operating at random on inorganic chemicals, could never have produced complex living cells. Unfortunately, though they have grown weary of arguing how random mutations (essentially harmful to a living organism) in a highly complex genetic code provide improvements to it (no functional genetic information-increasing changes on which “goo to you” evolution depends). So, what do they do? They re-adopt Creation, but still hold on to the old earth and formulate a local Flood account to fit modern uniformitarian geology. How much better it would (and I believe employ better science) to come all the way back to a biblical worldview (instead of just a halfway or middle position between biblical creation and natural evolution (Theistic evolution).. See other comment below:

One could write a book on why it is imperative that Bible-believing Christians not compromise the historical truth of Genesis 1 ( i.e. Day-Age theory, Gap theory, Framework Hypothesis theory) by adding or accommodating evolution to the Genesis account. First, theistic evolution, which is just evolutionary development with God added on, is diametrically opposed to supernatural, ex nihilo (out of nothing), , fiat, (divinely spoken Word\) creation, which even Darwin, who was also a divinity student, rejected: In a letter he wrote to Charles Lyell in 1861, he stated: “The view that each variation has been providentially arranged seems to me to make Natural Selection entirely superfluous, and indeed takes the whole case of the new species out of the range of science” . Not only was theistic evolution rejected by Darwin, but also was never seriously considered by the other founding fathers of evolution. The evolutionary claim of an old earth (4.5 billion years old) denies the veracity of the first 11 chapters of Genesis regarding the order of creation (contrary to evolution, the Bible says birds were created on Day 5 at the same time as the sea creatures –before dinosaurs and other land animals; the Bible says the work of shaping the earth was finished on Day 3 before the moon was made on the 4th day into earth’s creation, not smashed from the earth in a cataclysmic collision; etc.), the distinctness of created kinds (10 times in Genesis 1), the absence of death and bloodshed before the Fall (see Genesis 3; Romans 5:12), the instantaneous creation of Adam and Eve and all of creation functionally mature (which explains the appearance of age), the “very good” status of the creation at the end of the creation week (Genesis 1:31), the great longevities of the patriarchs, and the global nature of the Flood, as attested by over 200 Flood traditions by peoples all around the world, over 30 scriptural references (indicating universality of Great Flood), and layers of water-deposited sedimentary rocks containing separate and distinct and intact kinds of fossilized plants, birds, animals, etc. (not transitional or intermediate fossil) all over the earth.

Every major doctrine of Christianity stands or falls upon the historical foundation laid in the first 11 chapters of Genesis. Obviously, if death were here eons before Adam sinned (Genesis 3), as evolution requires, then creation had already been spoiled and death is not the penalty for sin, as scripture plainly teaches (Genesis 2:16; Romans 5:12). This, in turn, means that Christ’s death and resurrection were ineffective and meaningless, and the biblical teaching (Romans 8:18-23; Rev. 21) of the final restoration (Paradise Regained) of this fallen world to its original state before the Fall (only much more magnificent and glorious)–no sin, no death. no curse–is sheer nonsense. Dr. James Barr, formerly Oriel Professor of the Interpretation of Holy Scripture at Oxford University and renown as one of the world’s leading Old Testament Hebrew scholars , wrote, “So far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world class university who does not believe that that the writer (s) of Genesis 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience.” The word “day” (Hebrew yom) associated with a numeral (i.e. “first day” “second day,” “third day” in Genesis 1 (and that used 359 times in the Old Testament outside of Genesis 1 ) always means a literal 24-hour day. 

To make sure that no one missed the obvious meaning of a literal 24-hour day, the writer (s) of Genesis 1 under inspiration of the Holy Spirit further qualifies “first day, ” “second day” etc. with “evening and morning”–“and the evening (that part of the day associated with darkness) and morning (that part of the day associated with light) were the first day” (“second day, “third day” etc.). But many who are easily embarrassed (yes, that includes genuine Christians and theistic evolutionists like Dr. John Lennox, astronomers like Hugh Ross and others) by the opinions of secular scientists concerning the unproven assumptions of radiometric dating (which has been off by hundreds of thousands/millions of years, even on rocks of known age) will claim that Genesis 1 and other creation passages are myths, parables, poetry, dramas, allegories or analogies–the only exceptions to the perspicuity of scripture and cardinal rule that “context defines the meaning of a word”—anything, in order to escape the obvious fact that they are written, and read as, a straightforward historical narrative.
 
Even such astounding scholars as Dr. E. J. Young of Westminister Seminary in Philadelphia, an authority of massive erudition in Hebrew and cognate languages holds that “Genesis is not poetry. There are poetical accounts of creation in the Bible–Psalm 104, and certain chapters in Job, and they differ completely from the first chapter of Genesis. Hebrew poetry had certain characteristics, and they are not found in the first chapter of Genesis.” He further states: “The man who says I believe that Genesis purports to be an historical account, but I don’t believe that account” is a far better interpreter of the Bible than the man who says, “I believe that Genesis is profoundly true, but it is poetry”. The inspired, infallible Word of God trumps the opinion (actually “faith”) of fallible scientists, my friend. Don’t undermine or sell out the firm foundation (Genesis 1-11) on which your Christian faith is based, my friend, for the favor and praise of men. God will reward you in due time for your faithfulness to His inspired, infallible Word. God bless.

Alexander Light #conspiracy humansarefree.com

Where On Earth Are NASA's Rovers Sending Pictures From? Devon Island, Canada

There is an increasing number of people who believe that NASA's rovers never left the Earth in the first place, and the pictures they are allegedly sending back from Mars are taken in remote areas of our planet.

But if NASA's rovers are not on Mars, then where exactly are they?

First of all, evidence suggests that the pictures that we see on NASA's website are not even taken by the Curiosity and Opportunity rovers.

It is very possible that by now, both rovers are stored in a hangar, somewhere at NASA's JPL headquarters, and have been replaced by their smaller and more practical baby brothers.

Sure, if needed, they can always be taken out for a spin, but other than that, the smaller rovers are more convenient to work with.

One of the known locations where NASA is playing around with these small rovers is Devon Island, Canada.

(It's worth noting that Devon Island is "the largest uninhabited island on Earth," which seems like a pretty good location for a fake Martian photo shoot).

Just take a look at these pictures:

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NASA base in Devon Island, Canada — even without the color filters,
it's strikingly similar to Mars, isn't it?

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NASA's "baby rovers" taking pictures in Devon Island, Canada

Sure, one could think NASA just needed a place where they can simulate the conditions on Mars, but what's the point of simulating those conditions with miniature rovers, that look and work almost nothing like their bigger brothers?

Their shape, size and weight are different and the wheels are worlds apart. It's really impossible to make even remotely accurate tests.

They also don't have the on board laboratories, so what's there to simulate? Except for taking pictures, the "baby rovers" look useless.

Check out the following video for further evidence (please notice the identical terrain as that from NASA's pictures):

The cameras mounted on the "baby rovers" have color filters already applied, but the final images — those that we get to download from NASA's website — are color-corrected even further, until they get that fake, reddish color that is so familiar to us (NASA actually admits the color tempering of their pictures, as you will see later on).

We have been tricked into believing the myth that Mars is the "red planet" (even though all amateur telescope pictures show otherwise), so NASA is now only perpetuating the lie.

The following is an amateur telescope picture of Mars taken on 2014, 03, 21 (source):

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As you can clearly see for yourself, Mars is not red. It's light and dark brown, similar to what Earth would look like without all the water and vegetation.

[...]

Now I'm not saying that we could breath on Mars like we do on Earth, but where are the blue skies in NASA's pictures? That reddish sorry excuse of an atmosphere is obviously fake.

NASA admitted on numerous occasions to alter the colors of their pictures before posting them online, so that they look more like what we would see, if we were on Mars.

Here's something straight from NASA's website:

"Getting the colors right is not an exact science," says Bell. "Giving an approximate view of what we'd see if we were there involves an artistic, visionary element as well – after all, no one's ever been there before." However, great pains are taken to be as accurate as possible, short of going there ourselves.

To give people a sense of being on Mars, scientists combine views through telescopes, data from past Mars missions, and new information from the current mission to create a color-balanced, uniform scene. Color-corrected mosaics simulate the view a person would see if all the images in the mosaic were taken on the same day, at the same moment.

In addition, the rovers can take three pictures in a row of the same surface area on Mars using three different primary color filters – red, green, and blue – to make one color image. "It works a little like an inkjet color printer, which combines primary colors to create various shades on paper," explains Eric De Jong, Lead for the Solar System Visualization Team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "Then, we can tweak the color just like you can adjust the color balance on a TV screen at home." — NASA, JPL

So, there you go. NASA is clearly admitting to "color correcting," "color balancing," and even "tweaking the colors" of their images, so you can see whatever they want you to see.

Does it make any sense to you? Why not simply taking pictures of the environment AS IT IS? Why changing its color into something else?

It's the same old "the government knows what's best for you" rhetoric, and the people have been tricked into blindly believing and obeying it without question.

I mean, you haven't heard anyone complaining about the "color tweaking," have you?

But the "color tweaking" is not all they are doing to the original pictures. NASA has been caught, more than once, faking entire environments of — allegedly — Mars.

[...]

NASA is a smokescreen for an advanced secret space program

As I have presented in a previous article that you can read here, NASA is just a smokescreen for the real space program, which falls in the military domain, especially the US Navy. These guys are flying extremely advanced "anti-gravitational" space crafts, capable of very fast interstellar travel.

Gary McKinnon is a hacker that managed to break into the computers of the Army, Air Force, Navy and NASA. Among other interesting things, he found out that the US Navy has a fully operational fleet of spaceships.

In his own words, here is what he found out:

"I scanned and looked for documents, I found an Excel spreadsheet which said, ‘Non-terrestrial officers’. It had ranks and names. It had tabs for ‘material transfer’ between ships. I took that to be, they must have a ships based in space – the names started with U.S.S."

McKinnon is now facing a ten-year legal battle that could end up with life in prison. You can watch his interview here.

And the evidence to support McKinnon's claims is truly overwhelming. For example, Ben Rich, CEO of Lockheed Skunk Works, has famously stated in 1993:
"We now have the technology to take ET home." (Read more)
Ben Rich also admitted that the extraterrestrial flying saucers are real, and our space program is built with alien technology:
"There are two types of UFOs — the ones we build and the ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual 'hand-me-downs.'"
His colleague, Don Phillips, Lockheed design engineer, CIA and USAF backed his claims. (Read more)

Another Senior Scientist for Lockheed Martin and Area 51 scientist, Boyd Bushman, has openly talked about aliens stationed in Area 51 and "anti-gravity" technology, just before passing away in 2014. You can watch his testimony here.

'Captain Kaye' claimed to have spent 17 years on Mars and three years aboard an enormous space carrier.

Andrew Basiago also claimed to have been on Mars 40 times, and corroborates Captain Kaye's claims that there is an established human colony there.

Whistleblower Corey Goode claims to have been recruited through one of the MILAB programs at the age of six and personally traveled on Mars, where the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC)...
"...has an entire industrial infrastructure that includes bases, stations, outposts, mining operations and facilities on Mars, various moons and spread throughout the main Asteroid Belt (where a “Super Earth Planet” once existed). They have facilities to take raw materials and turn them into usable materials to produce both complex metals and composite materials that our material sciences have not dreamt of yet." (Source)
Laura Magdalene Eisenhower, the great-granddaughter of former US President Dwight David Eisenhower, has gone on record and testified that she was targeted for recruitment for a secret space program that would have allowed her to go on Mars, where there's a secret colony of humans. (Source)

Now, corroborating all these accounts, it becomes obvious that 'they' really have an advanced secret space program going on for decades and NASA is just a smokescreen for the public. Do you really think that the previously mentioned ICC would allow NASA to roam around with their rovers, taking pictures?

As an alleged, anonymous, "anti-gravity" insider, known as CaptainS, stated in 2011:
"NASA is just a front for the public. (...) The real space program falls in the military's domain, mainly Air force and Navy. But the nice chemical rockets sure are fun to watch... Very few people from NASA are actually in the loop. They don't know anything."
So, basically, NASA's role is to keep us distracted with their fake pictures from Devon Island, while the big boys have already established human colonies on Mars and who knows on how many other planets.

(On a happier, sarcastic note, I guess NASA's Photoshop experts will have a bright career in tourism, when NASA will eventually be shut down).

Before concluding this article, I leave you to watch NASA's absolutely ridiculous press conference about the alleged touch down of the rovers on Martian soil.

It has bad acting, fake excitement, lots of sweat and numerous in-your-face statements about this being just a movie that you paid for ($2.5 billion, to be specific).

These guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, they are unable to answer any scientific questions whatsoever and the journalists definitely know volumes more about this phony mission, but hey, as the guy says, it only cost you $7/person, so you might just as well enjoy it:

NicholasMarks #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

                                  Matthew 24:29          Isaiah 13:10          Revelation 6:13.

To the franchise holder of God’s ‘Grand Unification of All the Universal Forces’ this line from the Holy Bible can only mean one thing…The planet Earth is going to break out of its gravitational moorings. Due to all the abuses inflicted upon it the planet will suddenly, and without warning, centrifugally lurch beyond its normal orbit and pass to a new orbital position leaving the moon and the sun behind, and giving the impression that the stars are falling to the Earth.

The clues are all around us…global warming…the global, atmospheric, trumpet sounds, that have no apparent cause…the earthquakes and sink-holes that spring out of nowhere…all given adequate account of on YouTube and are telling us of the stresses and strains the world is having to resist.

The trauma is well recorded in the surrounding Biblical verses giving us the indication that those who are well prepared for it in a righteous and enduring way will be able to cope best and will survive especially with the mechanics of resurrection in their favour.

CCRT Blog #conspiracy ccrtblog.com

Getting Started

Starting it slow ...

What’s it all about ?

Bascially data is retrieved from a consciousness field beyond time and space which stores information about quite everything. This is done by holding a thought in mind like for example “my neighbor did some gardening yesterday”. The statement will yield a true or false response depending on the fact if the neighbor actually did some gardening that day. And this without the subject consciously knowing any information about the neighbor at all. Confused or even excited? Yes you got it, anything that happened or any kind of information you can think of is already available and accessible for free, right now.

Ready for takeoff?

Getting to know the basics

- Former research

Beginning in the 1960’s Dr. George Goodheart developed Applied Kinesiology, which uses a simple muscle test to determine whether a certain remedy is beneficial for the body or not. If a tested muscle stayed strong, a substance was good for the body, and if it went weak, it was not.
Later in the 1980’s Dr. John Diamond continued the work and discovered that different images, paintings, music and objects affect the muscles strength as well. The findings of Diamond showed that everything we interact with either strengthens or weakens our life energy.
At the end of the 20th century Dr. David Hawkins found out that the muscle test really turns out to be a non-local response from the field of consicousness itself. He has taken Diamond’s work further, through the discovery that the kinesiologic response also reflects the capacity to differentiate truth from falsehood and the actual degree of truth. In the early 2000’s he tested anything and everything and documented the results that he called calibrations. Among them were calibrations of people, animals, buildings, sports, businesses, philosophical concepts, scientific theories, statements, books and whatnot. The implications of the work were startling.

If life would be easy we’d all be happy ...

The Theory behind it

Spiritual revelation by a few mystics showed that pure awareness is the irreducible stratum of life itself. The subjective knowledge and experience of these advanced states of consciousness brought forth an instantaneos understanding of how reality operates. This understanding correlates with the theories of Quantum Physics, Nonlinear Dynamics, Chaos Theory and Attractor Research and some terms from these sciences are used to describe the findings.

- Chaos Theory

Is a subfield of nonlinear Dynamics and examines dynamic systems which are chronologically unpredictable, though still deterministic. Also called deterministic chaos, these systems are highly dependend on initial conditions. They are non-linear in practice. To determine the behaviour of the system on a spiceific time in the future the initial conditions have to be known with infinite precision. Therefore practical predictions can only be forecast for short periods of time like in meteorology (e.g. the butterfly effect).

- Nonlinear Dynamics

Is a subfield of the theory of dynamic systems where differential equations contain nonlinear functions. The solutions of these nonlinear equations show interesting characteristics like plots in phase spaces known as attractors and fractal structures under certain conditions.

- Attractor Field Theory

The term attractor is derived from the theory of non-linear dynamics and describes a subset of phase space (meaning a specific amount of system states) to which the dynamic system converges and which the dynamic system does not leave. This means that a certain value, curve or sub space comes to and stays near the attractor because of its inherent pull and potential. The attractor is a strict recognizable structure which can be called a stable condition of a system.

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Strange Attractor

- Quantum Physics

In Quantum Physics when we move in the area of microscopic scope we see phenomena that are discontinuous with our understanding of Newtonian Causality and yet proved to be as real in observation and practice. These principles are already used in a variety of ways like in satellite communications, atom physics, solid state physics and so on. The nature of consciousness itself can be said to reside in a realm beyond time and space and thus shows characteristics related to quantum physics.

A quantum physics view of reality

In the paradigm of causality it postulates that A causes B causes C like billiard balls sequentially striking each other. But consciousness research indicates that the very nature of causality functions quite differently:

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The very cause of a phenomenon is an unobservable non-deterministic attractor pattern which cause the detetministic A, B and C at the same time. But A, B and C from an observable linear point of view are still perceived as the cause of each other. The operants can then be seen as transcending both the linear and non-linear domain. This depiction is in accord with what physicist David Bohm describes as the enfolded and unfolded universe.

Launching the rocket!

Through the technique of neurophysiologic modelling it has been discovered that there are classes of brain neuronal networks that act as attractors as a whole, though single neurons may behave randomly. These network classes of interconnected neurons operate within a series of limits and are defined by feeling patterns. These patterns are actually dominated by fields of consciousness which reside beyond the body and are activated by choice. Thus one’s consciousness can be said to be like a needle in electrostatic fields of different dominance. These different fields have been calibrated on a scale from 1 to 1000 and are presented on the Map of Consciousness©.

Ordninarily the processing of problems requires going from the known condition to the unkown answer. In nonlinear dynamics it is the other way around: from the unknown nondeterministic data of the question to the known answer. And this is the same process that is used by muscle testing. A high energy attractor pattern interconnected with the human nervous system via the meridians known in accupunture yields the response.

Getting to know the numbers

Map of Consciousness of David R. Hawkins unfortunately had to be removed due to copyright issues. You can find it elsewhere.
You can find an outline through the link below.
©spiritualwiki, Germany

For most people the levels up to 500 are easily verifiable. To get an intuitive understanding of the map it is best to take a look at the massive amount of data that has been retrieved over the years.

Still with me? No need to, this is for the pros...

- How to muscle test: Two pair testing

Choose a friend or a family member for testing. We’ll call him or her your subject.

1. Have the subject stand erect, right arm relaxed at his side, left arm stretched out parallel to the floor, elbow straight.
2. Face the subject and place your left hand on his right shoulder to steady him. Then place your right hand on the subject’s extended left arm just above the wrist.
3. Tell the subject you are going to try to push his arm down as he resists your downward pressure.
4. Now push down on his arm fairly quickly, firmly, and evenly. The idea is to push just hard enough to test the spring and bounce in the arm, not so hard that the muscle becomes fatigued. It is not a question of who is stronger, but of whether the muscle can lock the shoulder joint against the push.
5. Let the subject hold someone in mind that they love and push down the arm. The arm should be able to resist the pressure. Then again let them hold someone they hate. The arm should go weak.
6. If this works well you might start holding statements, people and books in mind you want to test.
7. Now you can go for the numbers.

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- How to muscle test: O-Ring Method for single testing

Shape a ring by putting your middle finger on top of your thumb. Place your forefinger on the middlefinger in the ring and try pushing them apart while holding the favored statement in mind.

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More to know about testing…..

- General Information

1. The energy field of consciousness is infinite, a certain spectrum that is useful for the human domain has been mapped from 1 to 1000.
2. Everything in the universe emanates a specific energy, which stays in the field of consciousness permanently. Thus any event thought, deed, feeling, or attitude is recorded forever an can be retrieved.
3. The intention as well as both tester and the one being tested, must calibrate over 200 in order to allow for accurate results.
4. Experience has shown that many people are still not able to achieve accurate results. This issue will be addressed elsewhere in detail.
5. At a personal calibration level 0f 200, research shows that there is still a 30% chance for error.
6. The chance for error diminishes as one moves up the scale and becomes more conscious of one’s intentions.
7. The attitude that serves best for testing is one of clinical detachment. Emotionally charged states should be avoided while testing.
8. Adding the prefix “In the name of the highest good ____ calibrates as true. Over 100, Over 200 increases accuracy, because it transcends self-serving personal interest and motives.
9. Saying “resist” also benefits results.
10. Any muscles of the body can be used.
11. Alterations in pupillary response and brain function are associated with changes in consciousness as well.
12. Before a statement is presented it is necesarry to qualify permission: “I have permission to ask about what I am holding in mind” (Yes/No)
13. The muscle test cannot be used to foretell the future; otherwise there are no limits as to what can be asked. This blog is subject to this ongoing exploration.
14. The answers are impersonal and do not depend on the belief systems of either the tester or the test subject.
15. People want to determine truth from falsehood. Therefore, the statement has to be made very specifically. Avoid using general terms such as a good job to apply for. Good in what way? Pay scale? Working conditions? Promotional opportunities? Fairness of the boss?
16. Familiarity with the test bings progressive expertise.
17. Use chross-checking to confirm accuracy, e.g. reversing the statement.
18. 10% of the population, as well as sometimes married couples cannot use the technique for unknown reasons.
19. To try to prove a point negates accuracy.
20. Doing the thymus thump (with a closed fist, thump three times over the upper breastbone, smile, and say “ha-ha-ha” and mentally picture someone that is loved) will clear up temporary imbalances. The imbalance may be the result of recently having been with negative people, listening to heavy-metal rock-music, watching wiolent television programs, playing violent video games, etc.
21. Truth operates on a different paradigm (600’s) of reality as does logic in the 400’s. Thus it is not subject to prove or disprove.

- Discrepancies

Differing calibrations may be obtained over time or by different investigators for a variety of reasons:

1. Situations, people, politics, policies, and attidudes change over time.
2. People tend to use different sensory modalities when they hold something in mind, i.e., visual, sensory, auditory, or feeling. Your mother could therefore be how she looked, felt, sounded, etc, or Henry Ford could be calibrated as a father, as an industrialist, for his impact on America, his anti-Semitism, etc.
3. Accuracy increases with the level of consciousness. (The 400’s and above are the most accurate.) One can specify context and stick to a prevailing modality. The same team using the same technique will get results that are internally consistent. Expertise develops with practice. There are some people, however, who are unable of scientific, detached attitude and are unable to be objective, and for whom the testing method will therefore not be accurate. This amounts to 85% of the worlds population and around 50% of the western populace. Dedication and intention to the truh has to be given priority over personal opinions and trying to prove them as being “right.”

Abba's Watchman #conspiracy #fundie #crackpot abbaswatchman.com

Blue Beam description Continues here"

Steps to Completion

There are several events and scenarios that supposedly must play out before the the event can culminate.

Step 1

The first step concerns the breakdown of all archaeological knowledge. It deals with staging earthquakes at certain precise locations around the planet where supposed new "discoveries" will finally explain that the meanings of the basic doctrines of all the world`s major religions are wrong. This falsification will be used to make the population believe that all religious doctrine has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. For example, in the entertainment/movie industry, a falsification started with the film(s) 2001: A Space Odyssey, the TV-series Star Trek, the Star Wars films, and E.T., all of which deal with space invasion and protection. Another movie example is Jurassic Park which was released to push the Theory of Evolution.

Step 2
The second step deals with the gigantic space show: 3D optical holograms and sounds, laser projections of multiple holographic images in different parts of the world, each receiving a different image, according to its predetermined original national religious faith. This new "god" image will talk in all languages. As an example, the Soviets have manufactured the advanced computers and have programmed them with the Minute Psychological Particles based upon their studies of the anatomy and biology of the human body, as well as their studies on the anatomy, chemistry and electricity of the human brain. These computers have also been fed with the different languages of the world.
See Pictures above for solid proof of this unfolding Pre Damascus destruction.

Step 3
The third step deals with telepathic electronic two-way communication, where ELF(Extra Low Frequency), VLF (Very Low Frequency), and LF (Low Frequency) waves will reach the people of the Earth through the insides of their brains, making each person believe that his own God is speaking to him from within his own soul. Such rays, from satellites, are fed from the memory of computers that store much data about the human being and his languages. These rays will then interlace and interweave with the natural thinking processes to form what is called Artificial Talk.

Step 4
The fourth step involves universal supernatural manifestations using electronic means. This step contains three different orientations:
The first one is to make mankind believe that an Alien Invasion is about to occur upon every major city on the earth. This is to push each major nation into using its nuclear capability to strike back. In this manner, it would put each of these nations in a state of full disarmament before the United Nations after the false attack.
The second is to make the vast Christian population believe that a major rapture is occurring, with a simple, orchestrated, divine intervention of an alleged "good" alien force coming to save the good people from a brutal satanic attack. Its goal is to get rid of all significant opposition to the New World Order.
The third orientation is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves or frequencies used at that time will allow supernatural forces to travel through fiber optics cable, coaxial cable, electric and telephone lines in order to penetrate all electronic equipment and appliances that will by then all have a special microchip installed. The goal of this step deals with the materialization of satanic ghosts, spectres, and poltergeists all across the globe in order to push all populations to the edge of a wave of suicide, killing and permanent psychological disorder. After that night, humanity is believed to be ready for them to enter in a "New" Messiah to re-establish peace everywhere at any cost, even at the cost of their freedom.
 
Results

This superbly staged, full-scale production will supposedly result in social and religious disorders on a massive scale, which will lead to a one world religion and the global dominance asserted by the New World Order.

Nasa has been working on Air craft for Project blue beam that are real but will become a part of the Global Holographic Alien Invasion/Light show and this could be a picture of one or Just simply a picture from a movie I could not say but I provide it to help prepare your minds for any eventuality these demon Freemasons pull on us. Do not soon for get the Swine flu was a fraud perpetrated on a mass scale so do not rule any of this out it has been planned for over 50 years and is ready to be introduced to the world to bring the Antichrist Pope to power as if he is god.  He is the Anti god Lucifer.

Galen Dalrymple #fundie patheos.com

Americans see rational, scientific reasons for everything. Sadly, this extends into our spiritual lives as well. When I first got here and started to learn about the culture, I was somewhat shocked to find so much talk about witchcraft, spells and curses, demons and spiritual warfare. My American-educated mind immediately thought, “What kind of Christians are these who believe in such things?” But, as time passed, I began to see that they take Ephesians 6:12 deadly serious: For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

As I began to think more deeply about this, I confess that what we explain away in America as some physical, mental, chemical or other failure may in fact be the result of spiritual warfare indirectly or directly. For example, we think of certain birth defects as being the result of genetic mutations or failures. But the deeper question may be: what causes the genetic malfunction? Is it truly random, or is it an unseen spiritual warfare played out at an atomic level in the body? And what of the “unexplained” incidents of birth defects – what is the cause of those? Are they just due simply to the fall? Why should a particular gene sequence go haywire and others not?

As a result, I have been forced to ask myself who is deluded and who is seeing things clearly? Is it possible that we have failed in America to believe enough in unseen powers that struggle against our souls and have adopted a secularized, scientific and sanitized faith when it comes to spiritual warfare? After all, Jesus clearly believed in demons and they certainly believed in him! Jesus was no fool. If anyone has insight into the spiritual realities, it was He. While I think a balanced approach and view is called for in this matter, perhaps it is much to our detriment as Americans that we have made mincemeat of the concept of spiritual warfare and its effect on the events of our daily lives.

Jim35 #fundie freerepublic.com

["Studies of the DNA code support evolution." ]

And studies of DNA code support creationism. It is such a complex system of information, and requires such an amazing organization make it work, that it couldn't possibly be mere random molecules, acting in a random fashion. If life is so easy, try making some, using only non-living materials, then get back to me. Hey, if DNA is just a bunch of molecules, then get a bucket of those molecular components, and let's see how much DNA you get from it.

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

Bill Nye Tells Women What to Do!

In a new [i]Big Think[/i] video, Bill Nye, TV’s “the Science Guy,” states, “You can’t tell somebody what to do . . . ” and then proceeds to tell us all what to do. Later on in the short video defending abortion, he states that he wants to “encourage you to not tell women what to do,” but through the whole video clip he is telling women what to do—that they should abort (murder, really) a baby if they want to.

It appears that Bill Nye, ever since his debate with me at the Creation Museum last year and the enormous viewership it received, is increasingly being asked now to give his opinion on other topics regardless of his qualifications to speak to such issues. Now in this video where Bill Nye is urging people not to stop the work of abortion clinics, he attacks the Bible! He just couldn’t help himself as he has to “suppress the truth in unrighteousness” as Romans 1 states such people do, and justify his own rebellion against God. And of course, in the Bill Nye debate over a year ago, I showed clearly that the debate between Bill Nye and me was really a clash of worldviews based on our different starting points—just as the abortion battle is a clash of the same two worldviews. It’s a battle over God’s Word and man’s word—the two ultimate religions that have fueled a battle that has been raging around us since the events of Genesis 3 when Adam and Eve trusted man’s word instead of God’s Word.

In this video, Bill Nye attacks the Bible because his starting point is that man determines his own worldview—that there is no God who owns us. Then using his religion, his starting point that all life is the result of natural processes, and therefore one’s worldview is moral relativism, he proceeds to plead (yes, plead) that women be allowed to abort their babies.

Now Bill Nye also tells us that saying we should not abort (murder) babies is “bad science.” And then he proceeds to discuss the sperm and the egg and what we’ve been able to understand from what is obviously observational science. As he did in the debate, he confuses beliefs with what one can observe. He tries to make out that discussing moral issues (like abortion) is on the same level as observational science that builds our technology. What a load of nonsense. This is why I spent time in the Bill Nye debate explaining the difference between historical science (beliefs) and observational science (based on the repeatable test to build technology, and so on).

In this video, he states to those who oppose abortion, “I understand that you have deeply held beliefs.” Yes, we do! We admit that! We do believe the Bible is the Word of God and that God created us and owns us! We do acknowledge it is God who sets the rules and determines right and wrong! And we do admit that humans are made in God’s image, and murdering one made in God’s image is sin!

But Bill Nye—you too have “deeply held beliefs.” Admit it! You wouldn’t admit it at the debate and you won’t acknowledge it now! You need to admit you have a religion called humanism—that you believe everything happened by natural processes and man determines right and wrong. You need to admit that your “deeply held beliefs” determine your worldview which is why you are telling women what to do—they should abort (murder) a baby if they want to!

Bill, like all those who have rebelled against their Creator, I urge you:

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9)

You can watch the Nye/Ham debate on YouTube, own a copy of the debate on DVD, or you could get the boxed set.

Thanks for stopping by and thanks for praying,

Ken

Randall Niles #fundie allaboutphilosophy.org

The popular media often portrays the creation vs. evolution debate as science vs. religion, with creation being religious and evolution being scientific. Unfortunately, if you don't agree with this label, you too are labeled. Regardless of whether you're a creationist or an evolutionist, if you disagree with the stereotype, you're condemned and "exposed" as a religious fanatic who is secretly trying to pass religion off as science or, even worse, trying to disprove science in order to redeem a ridiculous, unscientific, religious worldview. The fact is neither model of origins has been established beyond a reasonable doubt (otherwise, the theory of evolution wouldn't be called the "theory" of evolution).

jonshaff #fundie rr-bb.com

On the Ken Ham/Bill Nye 'Creationism debate':

Evolution has NOTHING to do with critical thinking, applying concepts and formulas or problem solving. NOTHING.

Evolution = theory of origins from a godless perspective

Biblical Creation = God's revelation how it really went down

It's that simple...sign me up to debate the next guy, I'll just give em the Glorious Gospel of our Lord Jesus.

JTWriter #fundie news.cincinnati.com

The real myth is Darwinism and evolution are true. Something goes boom and millions of years later we have the universe. How stupid! It's like putting all the materials to a house in one big pile, sticking dynamite into the pile, exploding it and when the dust settles you got a house.

The evolution of spiecies evolving into other species has so many holes in its so called theory that simple debate would show its utter inability to explain origins. But a debate requires both sides to be open-minded, something lacking in secular evoluionist who have to resort to insults to get their point across. All the elements that have to come together to make any life possible shows design. A design with more intelligence than those who designed this ridiculous "science" called evolution, an idea stuck in the 1800's.

Sweden as a bad example #fundie randalolson.com

>Look at the comments for more than a second and you’ll find a good amount of explanations for the trend seen here.

Yes, you can explain it all away. Just like Star Trek fans and bible worshipers explain all Snafus and inconsistencies away.

That’s what White Knights in science do, too.

“Oh, it’s not female inferiority, it’s just because X, Y and Z”.

Yet study after study comes in and it shows a clear pattern: Women are inferior. No amount of White Knighting can help you with that.

>Cherry picking random “tests” in which women perform worse is a hilarious tactic; men also have much higher rates of dyslexia, why not throw that in as another inferiority of women?

I know that men are more represented at the lower ends of tests, but that is misleading.
First of all homeless men do not balance out the billionaires.
And second: Even the retards are useful and can dig a hole. And who cares what the IQ of George Michael is? Even if George Michael had an IQ of 80 he would still be a good music composer.

Women on the other hand (even the high IQ females) are nearly always worthless, and if they are not worthless then they have less children, hence are detrimental to the gene pool of future generations.

>I also love how you have decided that facial recognition is clearly something only needed for child care.

Which I never stated.

I stated that the nearly the only tests in which women outperform men are tests that are needed for baby handling or cleaning or similar.

Women are designed by nature to be less intelligent (too much brain power wastes energy needed for lactation etc) and are designed to stay at home and do monotone tasks like cleaning babies and cooking.

So to clarify my statement: Women are not inferior as such, just as men aren’t superior as such. Women are SUPERIOR baby washers, lactators, floor cleaners etc. and men are inferior baby handlers, but are superior scientists, artists etc.

Women’s desire to sleep more, to suffer from scoliosis, to be more cowardly, to be less intelligent, to have weaker bodies, to have periodic belly cramps and so on are actually superiorities because they help women to be better stay-at-home moms.

SavedByGraceThruFaith #fundie atheistforums.org

Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)

Atheistic origin science has a lot of explaining to do to counter the very obvious and scientific conclusion that God, the Almighty Creator, indeed created all things. A thorough investigation into the facts, the laws of nature, mathematics, and logic will prove that this alternative explanation, of an origin without God, is totally false and contradictory.

Therefore, a second irrefutable proof of the existence of God Almighty the Creator can be made. Assume indeed that atheistic origin science is correct, and all of the creation can be explained without God by the laws of nature and random chance. As will be shown, this assumed theory will prove to be false. And since the only alternative to a Creator is false, then again the fact that the Creator, God Almighty, exists will have been proven again.

Atheistic origin science claims that it can explain the origin of things without God. The claim is that most things have been explained and only the details need to be ironed out. The truth is that atheistic origin science has not been able to answer anything of importance in the origin question. If anything, new discoveries have ended all hope that it will ever be successful. So after over 150 years since Darwin, and over 50 years of an extensive effort, atheistic origin science has not answered anything. Why does anybody believe it ever will? Most of its believers have either died or will die before anything will ever be answered.

To show that atheistic origin science has failed, I will just ask for some simple answers to some very simple questions. If atheistic origin science has answers, this should be no more than to copy the answers from the verified answer book of atheistic origin science.

If there are no real answers, it proves my point.

If the answers given are not complete answers, avoids questions, dances around questions, or doesn't answer one single question, what does that say about the claims of atheistic origin science.

Please note I have some more simple questions to ask.

Questions

What was the first living thing?

Was it made of just proteins?
If so, how many amino acids did it have and what was their sequence?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.
How did it then make the jump to RNA and DNA?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

Was it made of just RNA and proteins?
If so, how many nucleotides for the RNA and amino acids for the proteins?
What were the sequences for both?
What are the odds of that happening?
How did it then make the jump to DNA?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

Did it actually use DNA?
If so, how many nucleotides for the DNA?
What was the DNA code sequence?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

What was the 2nd living creature?
The 3rd, 4th ... up the actual first cell?
What are the odds of each of those jumps?
Please show real calculations.

Upward evolution

Could man have evolved from an apelike creature in just 5 million years?
What are the odds based on the fact that there would be about 30 million base code differences in a 3 billion base code DNA between the 2 creatures, only 500,000 generations in that time, and only at most several million individuals for each of most of those generations?
What are the odds?
Please show real calculations.
How did that happen since higher-level creatures use sexual reproduction?
Please show real calculations.

Now repeat that feat for the over 100 million species that have been supposedly on the Earth. What are the odds of that?
Please show real calculations.

Given the fact that mutations in general corrupt the DNA code, why is the DNA code of all species not completely corrupted after the long line of progression over hundreds of millions of years?

The fossil record

Why does the fossil record show distinct species fully formed throughout?

Why has not a single chain of missing links of one disparate species becoming another ever been found in the entire fossil record?
There are millions of chains of missing links still missing. None have been found.

Provide one set of dates for one supposed intermediate species. Give the dates of the ancestor, the intermediate and the descendent species for one intermediate species.

Heywood #fundie atheistforums.org

If God does in fact exist and created/maintains our reality then there should also be observations which cannot be explained by natural mechanisms. Quantum randomness is such an observation.

Now keep in mind, quantum randomness isn't something that hasn't been explained by natural mechanisms. It is an observation that has been scientifically shown that it cannot be explained by natural mechanisms.

cts racing #fundie rr-bb.com

The 7 day week proves that there is a God.

I'm currently leading a study on 'Dr.' Luke and tomorrow we are going to discuss Luke 6 & 14 about the Sabbath, 4th commandment vs Mark 2:27, sabboth vs Sunday, and also how Sunday came about.

During my study, I was curious as to what science says is the origin of our standard '7 day week'? So I did a Google search and there is no valid explanation outside of the 7 days of creation. God instituted the 7 day week.

Mankind can explain the 24 hr. day - the rotation of the earth
Mankind can explain the year - the earth's orbit aroung the sun
Mankind can explain the seasons - the tilt of the earths axis
but there are no systems, rotation, orbits, cycles that can explain the 7 day week measure of time. It is solely God based & established

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

The topic of evolution, especially regarding how politicians have responded when asked if they believe in evolution or not, has been in the news lately. The very liberal Huffington Post published an article on the topic stating the following:

"The 2016 presidential campaign is already upon us and the debate is heating up over an unexpected issue—the theory of evolution. Of course, in an ideal world, evolution would never really become a campaign issue. But the anti-science wing of the Republican Party continues to voice skepticism. Apologists for this wing would dearly like to distract the media and the voting public from what is, frankly, a national if not a global embarrassment."

"In truth, the President of the United States needs to be scientifically literate."

The truth of the matter, however, is that such statements as those in this article, and the questions about belief in evolution being asked of politicians, actually portray their anti-God agenda.

Just as the pro-evolution Bill Nye “The Science Guy” has done (and continues to do), the author of the Huffington Post article attempts to equate rejection of evolution with the rejection of the whole of science and thus undermining studies in biology, genetics, diseases, and computing. Because of a commitment to the religion of naturalism, many evolutionists try to intimidate people through the use of terms like “anti-science” in their attempts to bully people into thinking that those who reject evolution are undermining technological advancement.

I have observed that in most instances when the secular media write articles about Answers in Genesis, the authors will state we are against science and will use terms like “anti-intellectual,” “anti-academic,” and so on, and claim we are undermining the whole of what they call science. And then, when using the word science, they will discuss technology and try to intimidate people into believing that organizations like Answers in Genesis will adversely affect America’s technological achievements for the future. This is the agenda of Bill Nye, as was seen in his debate with me last year, and as witnessed in his numerous interviews and lectures around the world.

That’s why during my debate with Bill Nye, I concentrated on explaining that the word science means “knowledge.” And then I explained the difference between historical science (beliefs about the past) and observational science (using our five senses, repeatable tests, and so on) that helps build our technology.

During the debate, I showed video clips of creation scientists who had developed some great technological achievements. I then asked Bill Nye a question (a question I have often asked publicly of all evolutionists—which secularists won’t and cannot answer):

"Can you name one piece of technology that could only have been developed starting with a belief in molecules-to-man evolution?"

There is no such example! In fact, the real reason Bill Nye—and reporters questioning politicians who are contemplating running for US President—are bullying and intimidating people about evolution is not because belief in molecules-to-man evolution is necessary for technological advancement. It’s due more to the secular humanistic, anti-God agenda they want implemented!

You see, if there is no God who created us—no God who is the absolute authority—then “every way of a man is right in his own eyes” (Proverbs 21:2).

When the Huffington Post author states, “In truth, the President of the United States needs to be scientifically literate,” the author really is saying, “In truth, the President of the United States needs to be committed to the religion of naturalism and reject the absolute authority of the Word of God.” Having abandoned the Bible as the authority, the President can then insist on supporting gay marriage, abortion, and whatever else such a President deems is “right in his own eyes” (which is what we see happening).

Igor Krichtafovitch #crackpot vixra.org

Information as the Evolution Driving Force

[…]
In contrast, a homo genus is the least accommodated to live on this planet. None of the homo habilis, homo erectus, and later inhabitants passed the survivability test. Furthermore, they all extinct. Homo sapiens, the only lone survivor, also was on the brink of extinction at least three times. Twice we barely escaped the extinction having slipped through the bottleneck of mitochondrial Eve 2 and Y-chromosome Adam 3. After evading these Scylla and Charybdis,powerful Toba super-eruption occurred about 74 thousand years ago. According to some theories, that event brought the human population to a mere 3,000-10,000 individuals. There is a growing body of literature casting a doubt on the very pillar of Darwinian theory: the natural selection by the survival of the fittest 4-8.
Should natural selection had been a real cause of the evolution of living species then fragile humans should gradually evolve into some fitter races. The natural evolution would change hairless bipedal feeble creatures into more robust primates, then to better fit mammals, and, eventually, to krill and single-celled bacteria. Some prominent scientists are not fond of and warn about “the obsession with natural selection” 9.
The irrefutable fact is that new species evolve and the evolution goes steadily in one dominant direction. The development vector does not point to the direction of highest survivability or productivity. As Richard Bird 8 put it: “Life increases in complexity in one specific sense; computational complexity.” Such statement is so obvious that it hardly can be argued against.

[…]

The evolution’s driver is not a survival of the fittest. It is an inescapable necessity of intelligence and memory storage growth.
Now our Hypothesis arrived at completion. The following postulates may summarize it:
1. Biological evolution as a natural life origin and development is a reality.
2. The evolution is a coordinated and controlled process, not a consequence of random mutations and/or survival of the fittest.
3. The evolution main development vector is a growing computational complexity of the Biosphere intelligence.
4. The intelligent matter which conducts and controls global evolution is a gigantic bio-computer combining all living organisms on Earth: the Global Mind (GM).
5. The GM is a virtual information matter (like a software) based on and running all living cells and organelles. The GM actions are initiated, powered and stimulated by random mutations.
6. Natural selection as a survival of the fittest is the definite factor in horizontal changes, i.e., within same species. The course of vertical evolutionary leaps is pushed by the growing Biosphere memory volume and organisms’ increasing complexity. Greater memory volume requires a greater number and more intellectually advanced organisms for storing and handling it. More intricate organisms require the greater computational complexity of GM in order to keep control over the Biosphere. This is an endless recursive endeavor with accelerated evolutionary dynamic.
7. New species (vertical evolutionary leap) occur when two conditions are met: a) global memory storage volume reaches its limit and b) global intelligence capacity (computational complexity) reaches critical mass capable of producing more advanced creatures.

The Hypothesis presented here does not contradict the naturalistic concept of life creation and evolution. It is not meant Darwinian concepts’ denial. It simply shows a different degree of the natural processes. The proposed concept may not be proven yet. I do not have a good evidence for the most claims and must rely on intuition.
However, as Karl Popper suggested a good theory is the one that has greater explanatory power. The Hypothesis logically resolves many puzzling problems with current state evolution theory. Some of them are listed below (I will address these issues at length in the oncoming publication):
1. Speciation, as a result of GM purposeful design.
2. Evolution development vector, as a need for better global intelligence.
3. Punctuated equilibrium, happening when two above conditions a) and b) are met.
4. Cambrian explosion, as a most pronounced case of punctuated equilibrium .
5. Mass extinctions, happening when more intelligent species should replace outdated creatures.
6. Why lab mutation long-term experiments do not result in new speciation? In these experiments “the critical mass” was not reached.
7. Why creatures fall asleep? GM has to communicated with individual living organisms in order to collect data and correct mutational errors.
8. Why is no paradise on the Earth? GM needs alert living organisms. It forces them to be active and creative.

64.35.204.200 #fundie en.wikipedia.org

First of all, I must apologize for not being able to find a more suitable place to write this. Second, I must say I disagree with the theory entirely. BUT, even if I did agree with it, it would still be impossible for there to not exist SOME FORM of an intelligent creator. If these proteins all evolved, then what did they evolve from? And from where came the thing they evolved from? and then, in turn, where did THAT come from? an atom can only be cut in two so many times, likewise, one can only trace evolution back so far until he MUST come to the inevitable conclusion that there is, or at least was, an intelligent designer. To deny this would be illogical not only religiously but scientifically as well. This is the inescapable flaw of atheism. The flaw of evolutionism is that in order for an organism to evolve, it must be in a situation/enviroment where it cannot survive with it's current attributes, in which case it will DIE, not evolve. If it can survive (thus reproduce), then it still will not evolve, because it's genes will be able to be passed on. Even if the organism must struggle significantly to survive (example: an elephant in a new england forest), if it can reproduce it will not evolve, if it can't reproduce (because it died) it will not evolve. This cannot be explained away with the "random mutation" theory because random mutations are NEVER beneficial, EVER. Or at least not commonly enough to account for the staggering variety of surviving species on the earth (or outside of X-Men). Adaptations can occur, but these are distinct from evolution, example: a species' fur can adapt to become longer, shorter, darker, lighter, depending on the threats within it's enviroment, but the fur will NEVER become feathers, for the simple reason that in order to have the feathers, it would have to be in a situation where it could not survive (reproduce) without the feathers. For this to work, both a male and female of said species would have to SIMULTANEOUSLY AND RANDOMLY MUTATE A FULLY FUNCTIONAL PAIR OF WINGS!!! This example can be applied to anything, and disproves any evolution beyond minor adaptations.

rAtnA's #fundie profile.myspace.com

[I received these as private messages, so I can't link to the post. Link goes to the guy's profile.]

Its not really about pro choice or pro life because those are styles and a style is a crystallization and crystallization is a cessation of growth and prosperity.

Styles and crystallizations are anti-reality because reality is never static, not even in space.

Even your favorite book is on fire right now, its just burning at a rate that is too slow to produce visual flames, but 55 years from now the book will appear brown and singed----almost as if by flame----say cheese, you get the picture.

Many different interactive, active elements combine to form the situations around abortions, so to see the picture clearly we must remove ourselves from our limited, narrow initial perspectives and catch a hot-air balloon to the bigger picture...........otherwise you can separate, isolate, limit, control, and be a lonely skittle.

[I'm sorry, what does natural oxidation have to do with women's political rights again?]

Oxidation = natural death = Mother Earth Progression.

death = man-made fire = abortion/war = Mother Earth Regression.

Combustion is the number one source of smog, regression, abortion, unnatural death.

Sometimes people need to remind me that I live in the otherworld and sometimes people have no idea how i got where i am and in that case whatever i say makes no sense, so i apologize, and i might as well apologize again because this all probly makes no sense either but in light of my path it makes perfect sense.

*****All I'm really trying to say is that to declare oneself pro life or pro choice is a style and a crystallization and a stagnation of growth which promotes an unatural Mother Earth death like a man made fire that will take your book from you in 100 seconds instead of 100 decades. We need stories not slogans. I am from: the future but i live in the present, you see, that cannot be true, we can only live in the present, and thus we can only be pro-life or pro-choice in the immediate situation of life and death, and at no other time is it accurate to be pro choice or life.

Tear down the walls that define your perspectives and float up in a hot air balloon to my perspective where we can see immediate time exist on our blue and white planet and see time not exist in our eternal space where there is no time except the time of creation. Creation via big bang or by God or by both or by none, at most all we can have is a time of creation, and perhaps a time of end, but there are no other times that exist in space except for the time on blue and white planet. There is only one planet. The other planets are just random balls of dust and ice space matter that just happen to orbit the sun as well even though thousands of lifeless balls of space matter orbit the sun too for the simple reason that the sun creates a gravitation pathway for the other balls of dust, if there was only one planet there would be need for grouping other lifeless balls of dust/ice/spacematter ambiguously into the precise atmosphere of Earth.

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

Bill Nye and Bananas

Recently, I walked with Bill Nye “the Science Guy” through the three decks of our life-size Ark in Northern Kentucky. It turned out to be our second debate; the first one was 2014 in the Creation Museum. This latest debate lasted about two hours. (For the background, see “Bill Nye Visits the Ark Encounter.”)

After his Ark tour, Bill made many public statements about his visit. He reportedly said that the Ark was “much more troubling or disturbing than I thought it would be.” NBC News reported, “Nye said the exhibit encourages visitors to trust faith over science and thereby undercuts their ability to engage in critical thinking.”

But here’s what is really disturbing and troubling. Nye wants to convince all children to believe that they are just animals who arose by natural processes—and that there’s no God! The implications of this belief on the question of the meaning and purpose of life are beyond serious!

Nye also claims that the exhibits inside the Ark encourage visitors to “trust faith over science.” Actually, our exhibits show quite conclusively that observational science in the fields of geology, genetics, and anthropology confirm biblical history concerning man, animals, and the Flood of Noah’s day. In reality, it’s Bill Nye who has the blind faith to believe that somehow life arose by natural processes. And his evidence? That DNA, including its information and language system, arising by natural processes, came about to the fact that “we’re here.”

Theeohn Megistus #conspiracy in5d.com

In the beginning of this universe Divine Creator created “Games”. The Game for this Universe was called Polarity Integration. The goal was simple: experience polarity and integrate it; once achieved, reunite with Divine Creator. The players of this game would be the Humanoids and the Reptilians. The Humanoids were given a creation myth which stated that the Humans could colonize any planet they chose, but if they find another race on the planet, they must negotiate a peace treaty and strive for harmony. The Reptilians were given a creation myth that stated that they owned the Galaxy and had the right to colonize any planet they chose. If a non-reptilian race is present, they could and should destroy it. Humans were created right-brain dominant (or feminine polarized), Reptilians left-brain dominant (or masculine polarized).

The Reptiles were given a head start so that their technology would start out superior to the Humans. Their home world was called Aln and was located in the Orion Constellation. The Reptiles already attained space travel when the humans were still swimming in the oceans. The humanoid home world was Avyon in the Vegan star system and existed initially as aquatic primates (the Cetaceans).

When humanoids became advanced enough for space travel about 22 million years ago, they colonized another planet called Avalon. Soon the reptiles arrived and a conflict resulted. They infiltrated the colony with their advanced technology and while courting friendship and trust, sowed the seeds of discord between those that wished to grow spiritually and those that wanted to grow technologically. A civil war ensued and the reptiles supplied both sides with sufficient technology to annihilate themselves. This was round one. The reptiles won.

The Founders of the Game moved some of the humanoids to Sirius B so they could be away from the reptilian interference. Over a very long period of time two groups emerged called the “Etherics” (non- physicals) and the “Physicals.” The Etherics were feminine polarized and the Physicals were male polarized. The Founders then moved the Physicals to Aln, the Reptilians home world and the Etherics were moved to Tiamat, the primordial Earth.

The Reptilians weren’t real happy about the Physical Humanoids showing up on their planet and soon the battles began and the colony was nearly destroyed. Some of the humans were forced into slavery and others went underground and formed the Black League. The Black League managed to escape Aln for Tiamat to join the Etherics.

The Reptilians eventually found out about Tiamat and decided to colonize it. When they arrived, there was a proto-humanoid civilization and the Etherics. The Etherics sent positive energy to the Reptiles in an effort to create a peaceful coexistence and get them to let go of their Creation Myth. It worked well for a very long while. It almost looked like integration had already occurred. There were snake reptiles on one side, dinoid reptiles on the other and the humanoids in the middle. The humanoids had learned farming and were growing enough food to feed the whole planet. This was subsequently called the Great Experiment, the forerunner of planet Earth. This was the first time Etherics had been used to obtain a peaceful coexistence and it was amazingly successful.

However, word got out that a planet existed that was living in peace and harmony and the ruling Orion Reptilians decided to pay a visit. This was, of course, in violation of the Creation Myth and they immediately started sowing the seeds of discord among the Reptiles in an attempt to convince them that the Humanoids were secretly planning their destruction. It took a very long time for the ruling Reptilians to work this plan through because the Etherics kept sending thoughts of love and harmony and the physical humanoids kept sending them food. But ultimately the Creation Myth won out and the Reptiles developed a plan to destroy the humanoids through germ warfare.

The proto-humanoids understood what was happening and decided that they would leave the planet and go to the Pleiades aboard the starship Pegasus and the Etherics would mutate back into the aquatic primates (whales and dolphins) and maintain the biosphere. A plan was devised to rid the planet of the Reptiles through implosions of the underground fusion generators. About 98% of the Reptiles were destroyed in the ensuing world-wide cataclysm but a few survived and were present when the remaining planet was repopulated as Earth. Another small group was given sanctuary aboard the Pegasus and went to the Pleiades. Another group fled to the planet Maldek. This all happened about 8 million years ago.

A long period of peace existed after these events. The land guardianship role was vacant so the cetaceans and spiritual hierarchy began searching for a replacement which they eventually found on the fourth planet of the Vega system, the birthplace of present-day humans. They were aquatic primates at that time but through assistance of the Galactic Guardians their evolution was allowed to jump forward to become the Vegan Humans and subsequently created a new galactic guardian group. This was about 4.5 million years ago. A Galactic Federation was created and in the ensuing migration over 2.5 million years, the Galactic Federation agreed to colonize Earth again. The Earth Colony Hybornea was created in the northern lands near present day Florida (the Earth axis has shifted since then). It was a civilization that existed for nearly a million years beginning two million years ago.

The Lyrans decided that, in order to live in complete harmony, they would eliminate the self-defense function. They did this through genetic engineering. However, it left them defenseless so they developed a warrior race which lived separate from their civilization. They were genetically engineered with enhanced adrenaline output to react more aggressively than natural. However, this change caused an imbalance which limited the ability of this altered being to connect to its creator. These new helpers were unstable and threatening to the civilization that created it. As a solution to the problem the Lyrans exiled the whole population of altered beings to a sparsely inhabited planet in a far-off corner of the galaxy. To ensure this would never be revealed to anyone, they altered all memory of this experience and no records were allowed to be taken. This new planet was called Earth. Humanity was left on this “prison planet” to work out the genetic imbalance through adaptation.

Sometime after humans were marooned on Earth, a different extraterrestrial race arrived and attempted to enslave them. However, they did not comprehend human warlike capabilities and were repulsed. They have been planning retribution ever since and now confer with the present-day hierarchy at the top of the secret societies. The planetary awareness of these beings has been in the form of the beast or Satan or the devil. If their plan is allowed to be completed, the planet could be destroyed. They don’t care, they only want revenge.

A war of liberation broke out on Lyra about 360,000 years ago during which the terrorizing army fled to the Pleiades and took possession of the Hesperides system. The name was changed to the Pleja system in honor of their leader. She led an expedition to the SOL system and took control of Mars, Earth and Malona. Conflict broke out on Malona over control of the planetary government. Earth was evacuated back to Lyra-Vega. The war on Malona ultimately pulverized the planet and caused significant destructions on Mars, Venus and Earth.

A peaceful group of Lyran-Vegans migrated back to Earth many years later and developed a high civilization of Hybornea which lasted 6000 years and was again destroyed by wars. About 53,000 years ago wars again broke out in the Lyran system and a leader named Pelegon came to Earth with 70,000 men to establish another civilization which lasted 10,000 years and ultimately was again destroyed by wars. About 100,000 people fled to the Barnard Star (Beta Centaurus) while Earth was thrown back to the Stone Age.

They returned after 7000 years under the leadership of Atlant to create the great Atlantian civilization. His wife Karyatide created Lesser Atlantis and her father Muras created the great civilization of Mu. These blossomed into a planetary civilization which lasted 18,000 years until, in 13,000 B.C., a group of scientists tried seizing power. They were trying to again create a race to support their violent tendencies. Before the scientists were subdued and escaped back to Beta Centaurus, much of the continent of Atlantis was destroyed.

Two thousand years later this same group returned for revenge under the leadership of Arus (the Barbarian) and his 200 sub-leaders. He conquered Hybornea and began to systematically subjugate the rest of the world by attacking India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and surrounding areas. It was Arus and his men who were the “Sons of Heaven” that bred with the Earth females called the “Evas” to create the biblical Adam and Eve,the ancestors of many present-day humans. The descendants of Arus left the planet in 26 A.D. after creating Jmmanuel and implanting the Galactic laws and philosophies in humanity.

The origins of Lemuria began on a continent in what is now the Pacific Ocean around 900,000 B.C. and lasted until 26,000 B.C. It was a Lyrian/Sirian styled civilization with democratic principles of governance. It created a number of daughter empires during its existence; the most important of those was Atlantis (which existed in part, on a huge island-continent in the center of the Atlantic Ocean), the Libyan/Egyptian Empire in Africa and the Yü Empire of central China and Tibet.

Due to the influence of renegade Pleiadians / Centurians (Anunnaki), the Atlanteans began developing a hierarchical society which led to feelings of separateness and superiority. After they were granted equal guardianship of the planet 26,000 years ago by the Lemurians, they began plotting ways to grab the sole guardianship. They found allies in the colonies of Alpha Centauri and the Pleiades mostly through the Galactic Federation outpost colonies that shared the concept of a hierarchical society. They and various Pleiadian and Centaurian rebel-renegades plotted the destruction of Lemuria. Their plan was a technical success; however it resulted in the destruction of one of the Earth’s moons, the entire continent of Lemuria, cataclysmic events over the entire earth and a mini-ice-age.

The Atlantians (with the assistance of the Pleiadian and Centurian Rebels) used space ships with force fields to cause one of the Earths moon’s to spiral inward and just as the moon reached the ‘LaGrange Point’, they blasted it with particle beam weaponry. This resulted in a massive meteor shower over Lemuria with the resulting rupture of its subterranean gas chambers and the sinking of the entire continent. The physical destruction of Lemuria was so complete that nothing remained except legends. This was Great Flood #1.

Atlantis had its beginnings about 100,000 years ago. It was destroyed three times; the last time was coincident with Great Flood #3. In the second incarnation, which began 25,000 years ago, they had made great technological progress which was far greater that anything man has attained today however, it lacked sufficient spiritual development and became locked into materialistic endeavors. They wished to replace the clan structure of Lemurian society with an elite structure. This concept of governance was not well received and resulted in a series of costly civil wars across the entire planet. The clan structure is based on groups of people who all shared the same vision and goals about what should be accomplished in their respective fields. It was similar to our present-day scientist and technical trade-groups, except that these trade-groups also had limited governing authority. It meant that the most knowledgeable people were the ones in charge. It has been the elite form of governance that has been in place on this planet ever since Atlantis came to power 25,000 years ago.

They brought in one of the artificial Maldek moons to help balance the planet. The destruction of one of Earth’s two moons caused an unstable wobble in the Earth. This artificial moon was, in fact, a fully armed battle station. It was also an attempt to signal to the rebellious holdouts that military superiority was at hand which was ready and able to end all civil wars and rebellions. The rebellions instead continued over the entire 10,000 year period of this Middle Empire. There was a period of terrorism, torture and inquisitions. They created a superior ruling class which was sustained by the myth of a god-king. A single supreme god-king ruled over all.

Following the destruction of Lemuria, the Libyan/Egyptian Empire negotiated an understanding that allowed them to maintain some autonomy over their own affairs; however they did have to make some concessions to do this. The only other Empire of significance was the Yü, which refused to bow down to the Atlanteans. They even issued several decrees demanding an apology to the other empires for their careless and inhumane destruction of Lemuria and the subsequent cataclysms.

The Atlanteans, jointly with the Egyptians, countered with demands to rescind the decrees. The Yü Empire refused. The combined forces of the Atlantians, the Egyptians and the renegade Pleiadian Centurian allies forced the remnants of the Yü Empire underground. They still exist today as the Kingdom of Agharta in deep underground caverns beneath the Himalayan Mountains and under present day Tibet. The entrances from Tibet were all closed after China invaded in 1949. It is not clear, but is believed that they were searching for the entrances. Attempts to find it using modern day tunneling equipment have been unsuccessful.

Towards the end of the second Empire, autocratic rule was in full force and the remaining rebel alliance was exiled to southern Europe, to a place called Ionia (Greece) and there they would stay until they renounced their ways and complied with the ruling authority. This rebel alliance consisted of the former ruling elite as well as leading scientists. They decided instead to create a Lemurian style governance with plans to ultimately bring their government back to Atlantis. In other words, they became even more organized and dangerous than before they were exiled.

This did not sit well with the ruling authority of Atlantis. The rebels had defied them at every turn and now they were a greater threat than before. A plan was devised to end the problem by destroying Ionia by a method similar to the way they destroyed Lemuria. The plan required the assistance of the rebel Pleiadians and Centurians. This plot was discovered by the Ionians. The result was that the Ionians were able to counter the attack by interrupting their energy beam from Nibiru and the moon exploded over Atlantis instead. Atlantis therefore was destroyed in much the same manner as it had destroyed Lemuria. The Atlantean subcontinent was reduced to a few scattered islands. One of the two Firmament layers was destroyed as well. This was Great Flood #2. This happened 13,000 years ago.

This event did not completely destroy Atlantis however and attempts were made to reconstitute the civilization with what remained. They developed a crystal technology that was capable of transmitting energy wirelessly over great distances. They used the device to propel and guide airplanes, surface vehicles and submarines. They tapped solar energy and also found a way to tap the collective consciousness of the human mind. They eventually found a way to use the collective mind in harmony with the crystals and the Earth as a power source. The people became subservient to this system of mind and power control against their will (ala “The Matrix”). They also found a way to harness the power of the crystal to rejuvenate a person endlessly. One of the crystals is in the Biblical Ark.

Several thousand years before the first flood, the Anunnaki showed up in a ceremonious fashion and presented themselves as gods from heaven to the Atlantians. They started plugging into the ego-consciousness of the leaders by stimulating and fueling their base desires. New technologies were offered as gifts and in return they would do their bidding in holding influence over their subjects in rather depraved ways. They were instrumental in creating mind-Earth resonance devices and even came up with a way to alter the mind of the people to obey their wishes through a slow-pitched electro-magnetic pulse transmitted through the crystal generator network. This sound, which was inaudible to the human ear, caused a release of neurochemicals (the peptides that influence behavior) that caused irrational emotional states and submission to authority. They began attacking lesser civilizations to conquer and take their resources. Through genetic engineering they also helped develop a mutant human who was disconnected from his higher self. These humans would be unaware of their spirituality and would be much easier to control. These evolved into present-day humans.

The final destruction of Atlantis occurred sometime around 10,000 years ago. There was a conflict in the Middle East between the Rama Empire, the Egyptian Empire and the Sumerian Empire. In an attempt to end the conflict they destroyed some of the crystal temples that held up the Firmament. The idea was to open a hole just big enough to flood the enemy out of their positions. However, there was a simultaneous destruction of multiple temples on both sides which destroyed a sufficient number to cause the entire Firmament to collapse. This caused all of the water ice suspended in the atmosphere to come crashing down in a cascade effect over the entire planet. What remained of Atlantis was gone forever beneath the waves. A significant portion of Atlantis still exists at the bottom of the ocean in the Central Atlantic, off the coast of the Carolinas, the Bahamas and the south-western coast of Cuba. This was Great Flood #3.

The Firmament was created before humans existed. They were placed here by the Game Lords to allow for the development of sentient life approximately thirty-five million years ago. It has been destroyed and repaired many times. It consisted of two layers of water ice that acted as a shield against harmful radiation and caused there to be a uniform climate across the entire Earth surface. The temperature was in the high 70’s near the equator and the low 70’s at the poles. The winds were a modest 5 mph, the skies were always sunny, and there were few clouds, no hard rain, no significant winds and no storms. The ice in the Firmament created a lensing effect which made the Moon, Sun and stars all look bigger than they otherwise appear. The Firmament held about as much water as all the oceans rivers and streams on the planet, so when it came down, it would appear as though the sky was literally falling down.

Of course, the empires of Sumeria, Rama and Egypt were all destroyed in the subsequent flood. This flood spread world-wide to encompass the Americas, Asia, Europe and Africa. Every indigenous culture has a flood story. It rained for 40 days and in that time an entire world civilization was destroyed. What were left were legends and myths of gods and goddesses from an age which was completely erased from the earth. Approximately two million people survived the event on the surface. The Agharta (Lemurian) Empire also survived as they were already protected underground.

The Atlantean rulers and their associates fled to the star system of Hadar (a.k.a. Beta Centauri). The people of Hadar insisted that nothing should be done to save what was left of the human race. An argument ensued with the Pleiadians over the issue but the renegade Pleiadians won out. They intervened and restored many areas including the Middle East (Sumeria), the central valley in Mexico (Maya and other Mesoamerican civilizations), the Indus valley area of India and in North Central China near the city of Xian, and the entire Nile river basin in the land of the Egyptians.

So the restoration of life on this planet was once again in the hands of the same people who caused the problem in the first place. It was their intervention that triggered the destruction of Lemuria, the destruction of Atlantis and the entire world civilization. Through it all, it still didn’t sink into the Pleiadian rebels what they were doing to mankind. In the period 1500 B.C. through 1200 B.C. the renegade Pleiadians were forced to withdraw from direct intervention by the main defense forces of the Pleiadian Star League. This finally brought the “reign of terror” to an end.

The Spiritual Hierarchy was responsible for sending the Christ, Budda, Mohammed, Ahkenaton and other ascended masters to show us “the way the truth and the light”. This planted the seeds of spiritual consciousness. Other attempts to bring back the Sirian/Lemurian style governance included Noah and the Hebrews. Noah didn’t get very far and after the Exodus; the Hebrews instituted the concept of Judges to bring the people a concept of a society led by spiritual beings. However, these attempts failed because the human psyche was not ready for it and it was decided that planting the idea of a Christ consciousness would grow into the human psyche over thousands of years and be ultimately successful. Emperor Constantine modified these teachings in 325 A.D. at the Council of Nicea.

Because of the destruction of the Firmament, a significant amount of damaging radiation has been allowed to hit the planet surface. This causes a disastrous effect on all living things. There was no reasonable chance that humans would be able to survive over the long term independent of outside support with their spiritual selves disconnected.

Most humans don’t know that their primary mission on the planet is to be a guardian of the planet; that without their conscious support of the biosphere in concert with the cetaceans, all life on the planet falls apart, literally. The only thing that’s still holding it together right now is the cetaceans and the Spiritual Hierarchy. A guardian is one who brings in the energies of creation and regulates them for the biosphere. The Earth land guardian is man. It is a very unique process whereby the creative life energies given by the Spiritual Hierarchy are physically transmuted into maintenance life energies. Chanting, singing, dancing, ceremony and meditation are all forms of this process. A guardian must consciously and subconsciously maintain these inter-dimensional energies so that they are dispersed in a proper manner. Using Universal Law, a guardian imagines, then combines this with feeling to create. Children do this instinctively when they play and sing and jump around although this is decidedly less focused.

BunnyBambiBambi #fundie youtube.com

Since everything is "RANDOM" for you except for evoultion, then explain please why species don't interbreed? Why don't dogs make dogcat babies?? How IS evolution not random enough that species are not crossbreeding - if they tried it is futile? The theory of your "No God" should also equal "Total Randomness in Nature" where there is none. & Explain why when we mess with mother nature, it is usually a disaster!! Mad cow originated from cows? being tortured or fed parts of their own--- fact!

Kerwin #fundie christmatters.freepa.org

The evolution debate is more about Atheist forcing their doctrine of creation on Theist than about anything else. In public schools students are only taught that creation occurs by random mutation while according to Theist teachings is occurs by God’s design. Some Theist say they back Evolution but what they really back is Intelligent Design.

Christians and other religious people are just asking for freedom of religion from the Atheist oppressors.

Dr. Tommy Mitchell #fundie google.com.au

Why Is the World Broken?

“Something is terribly wrong with this world. Where’s God in all of this?” If you’ve ever heard these questions, or wondered them yourself, then this article is for you.

It is hard to deny that the world we live in is broken. Terribly broken. We are constantly bombarded with news of senseless shootings and terrorist attacks. Wars continue without end. Natural disasters such as tornadoes, earthquakes, and floods claim many lives each year. Despite our wonderful modern medical technology, thousands and thousands of people die every year of cancer, stroke, diabetes, or some severe infection.

Beyond this, we see greed, poverty, abuse, jealously, racism, and seemingly every possible manifestation of man’s inhumanity to his fellow man. It’s an ugly picture. This world is broken and can’t seem to find its way.

So where is the all-knowing, loving Creator God in the midst of all this pain and suffering?

Denying God

Many people think death and suffering are reasons to deny the very existence of God. They contend that a good God would not, could not, allow all these horrible things to continue. If He exists, if He is indeed a good God, would He not want to stop all these things? Therefore, they reason, God cannot exist. Sometimes they hedge their bets by adding that if He does exist, He cannot be a good God because He continually allows bad things to happen to good people.

Ultimately, though, this is faulty logic. Let’s think it through.

How Did We Get Here?

If God does not exist, how do we explain the physical world around us? If there is no God who created the universe, then where did everything come from? The world’s simple answer is that everything came from nothing. Matter just popped into existence from nowhere. Then over billions of years molecules randomly collided, resulting in the formation of planets and stars and galaxies.

From this lifeless matter sprang life. The first simple cell just assembled itself. Then through random mutation and natural selection (survival of the fittest), life forms became more and more complex until ultimately man came into being. This is called evolution.

No God. Nothing but chemicals banging together over millions of years.

The Basis of Morality

In a universe that is merely the result of random chemical reactions over millions of years, there would be no “god” to whom we are accountable. But in such a universe, a universe without an ultimate moral authority, how are right and wrong, good and bad, determined? In the final analysis, how are moral judgments made? Who decides? The answer is, everybody decides for himself or herself what is right and wrong.

Charles Darwin understood this. In his autobiography, Darwin wrote, “A man who has no assured and ever-present belief in the existence of a personal God or of a future existence with retribution and reward, can have for the rule of his life, as far as I can see, only to follow those impulses and instincts which are the strongest or which seem to him the best ones.” So in a universe without God, morality is up for grabs. Everybody gets to set his or her own moral standards.

Good People and a Broken World

When people deny the existence of God because of all the death and suffering they see, they have a problem. Even if evolution were true, the world is still broken. So if you can’t blame God, then whom do you blame?

You see, most people think they themselves are good, or at least better or more deserving than the many bad people they see around them. Therefore, they reason, it is unfair that bad things happen to them. Often they also say it is unfair that bad things happen to others they think are good or innocent.

However, without God, these same people have no basis for determining good and bad other than their own opinion. Further, it is inconsistent to claim that people are basically good and then complain about the death and suffering humans inflict on each other. After all, wouldn’t that mean that good people are suffering at the hands of other basically good people?

God Is Unfair?

People are generally quick to make God a scapegoat. He gets the blame for everything from cancer to murder to tsunamis. If the suffering we see is evidence that God is cruel or unfair, then why isn’t the good we see equally evidence that God is loving and just? After all, we see lots of good in the world. Children are rescued from burning buildings, people donate organs to strangers, food banks feed the homeless, volunteers work in nursing homes, and the list goes on.

It seems people never take the blame. Just the credit.

Okay, So What Is the Problem?

Yes, it is obvious that there is suffering in the world, but God is not to blame. Whose fault is it then? Quite simply, it is our fault. The world is broken because of our sin. Most people fail to factor this into the equation.

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

The atheist looks up at the stars and says “random chance.” The Christian looks up at the same stars and says “the work of God.” The Muslim looks up and says “the work of Allah.” As an outside observer, these three look the same to you. But the soul experience of these three is radically different. Because the atheist and the Muslim are convinced that their fantasies are real, they will sound every bit as confident as the Christian when they defend their beliefs. Soul realities simply can’t be conveyed through words. The crazy man’s delusions are real to him, yet they aren’t real to anyone else. Allah is “real” to Muslims, but he isn’t real in actuality. Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the only Gods who are truly real–real regardless of who does or doesn’t believe in Them. You want to find the real Gods, not just buy into delusions. So how do you do this? And how do you have faith when you are not even consciously aware of your soul as a separate entity from your physical body? It’s very simple. Ask God to help you find Him and to know beyond all doubt who He is and what He wants from you.

Ray Martinez #fundie talkrational.org

Presupposing an explanation to be necessary presupposes the falsity of Creationism. Creationism, once postulated, makes the request for this explanation unnecessary. That is the very point and purpose of Creationism: to kill any debate concerning why because "why" presupposes transmutation to be true and Creationism-ID to be false. The Creator wants to kill this debate so mankind can get on with studying the Bible and not animals.

Ray

Anonymous Coward #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

Vedic Cosmology is the foundation. It states that there is a flat Earth Planet that we are on and their is also a larger disc of earth that is vertically below Planet Earth on a lower plane. Both are referred to as Earth, but they are two separate earths, the round globe that floats above the large flat disc.

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Here's the evidence. Notice that the Earth globe does not rotate or move. Notice that all the basic astronomical concepts such as day and night, seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon can all be explained through reasonable models without the Sun being at the center of our solar system, but rather the Earth is slightly off the center, which is Mount Sumeru (Think Sumerian Culture) thus giving the impression that we are practically in the center for most purposes.

1) THERE IS ONLY ONE SUN IN THIS UNIVERSE.

2) ALL THE STARS ROTATE AROUND MOUNT SUMERU, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO OUR LOCATION ON EARTH, A STATIONARY PLANET.

3) THERE ARE TWO EARTHS... A FLAT DISC and OUR PLANET EARTH

Conservapedia #fundie conservapedia.com

Atheists claim that scientific knowledge has replaced the need for appeals to God to explain the universe. This is easily demonstrated to be false, as countless legendary scientists found it necessary to invoke God to explain First Causes in the universe. Isaac Newton could explain what gravity did but not what caused it, and believed God kept the universe in motion. While Albert Einstein's theistic views were complex, he too could not explain the universe without God, and famously derided chaos in the universe by stating "God does not play dice." Even in the 21st century, no scientific theory attempts to replace appeals to God in explaining the universe's existence.

Indeed, atheists have merely usurped the mantle of "science" to disguise unevidenced assertions. They claim that evolution has been proven as scientific valid, that evolution necessarily proves abiogenesis, and that abiogenesis precludes God and design. The first claim is refuted by numerous theistic scientists, the second is a belief, and the third is a philosophical absurdity. Atheists believe the universe can be explained without recourse to God, but have no actual evidence to back up their assertions.

Ken Ham (reported on msnbc.com) #fundie msnbc.msn.com

April 11, 2007 - In the theater, the seats shake and audiences are sprayed with water at every mention of the flood. Nearby, a Garden of Eden is an animated vision depicting humans happily coexisting alongside dinosaurs and a little girl who laughs every time one of the giant reptiles bares its teeth. And nope, this isn’t your average theme park.

Welcome, instead, to the Creation Museum. Here, dozens of exhibits attempt to show the Bible as the literal truth and the theory of evolution as unsupportable by science. Creationists believe that the Garden of Eden did exist, that the world is 6,000 years old, that God created man and animals simultaneously, and that the flood wiped out every living creature that wasn’t inside Noah’s Ark.

The museum will open to the public in late May, and founder Ken Ham hopes it will attract 250,000 visitors in its first year. Located on a 50-acre piece of flat land in the little town of Petersburg, Ky., it is in the heart of Middle America—just a short drive from Indiana and Cincinnati, Ohio, and, say the organizers, no more than a day’s road trip for two thirds of the American population.

Ham, 55, went on to found the Creation Museum and become president of Answers in Genesis, the Evangelical ministry behind the project. In an interview, he recalls how, when he was first taught evolution in school at the age of 13, he asked his father—a dedicated Christian—about “those ape men.” “If you don’t believe in Genesis,” his father told him, “then the whole rest of the Bible falls.”

These words stuck. The Creation Museum, which has so far funded its $26 million cost through private donations, focuses on Genesis, the first book of the Bible. Its special-effects theater shows a video of Biblical history; when it’s time for the flood, the seats shake and the audience is sprayed with mists of water and air. There is also a planetarium—Ham calls it “one of the most powerful parts of the museum”—with big, comfortable chairs that tilt backward so that viewers can watch a video about the galaxy projected on the dome-like screen on the ceiling. “It gives them a taste of the kind of creator they have, and they say ‘wow,’” says Jason Lisle, who is in charge of the planetarium program.
Lisle is 32 and has a Ph.D. in solar astrophysics from the University of Colorado. One of his tasks, he said, is to review videos for accuracy. Has he ever found a contradiction between the scientific and Biblical claims in the videos? Lisle says this is the wrong question. “Science comes out of a Biblical worldview,” he says. “We don’t try to prove the Bible from outside evidence. We accept the Bible as presupposition.”

Gottservant #fundie christianforums.com

Creation is winning by Evolutions rules

As technical as you want to be, Creation science is out-doing - out-surviving, out-evolving, out-creating - Evolution science. Just look at the evidence!

Creation - existed from the dawn of time
Evolution - existed later than the dawn of time

Creation - followers prepared to die for the belief
Evolution - followers not prepared to die for belief

Creation - messaging spreading to all parts of the world
Evolution - message spreading to some parts of the world

Creation - specific changes in creation predicted
Evolution - specific changes in creation yet to be predicted

Creation - eternal hypotheses (Heaven, Hell, Judgement Day, etc.)
Evolution - temporal hypotheses (life, death, etc.?)

Ok, so Evolution is losing, for the moment. But let's make this a fair fight!

Evolution - An author (Darwin et al.)
Creation - An eternal Saviour (the Lord Jesus Christ)

Evolution - no commitment to belief
Creation - life-long commitment to belief

Evolution - no commitment to theory (you don't change evolution)
Creation - total commitment to religion (you change at all costs)

Evolution - changing from finding to finding
Creation - constant from the first finding (God)

Evolution - number of people in Hell = all of them
Creation - number of people in Hell = less and less

Take a look! As far as standards go, the Lord has led us to victory all the way. Who knows? Perhaps evolution will lift its standards. Imagine that, Creationism showing Evolution how to have real standards!

Samuel James #fundie patheos.com

What concerns me, though, is the possibility that Mr. Cook, and many of his fellow liberals, actually do understand what Jim Crow laws were, what the Indiana RFRA does, and still believe that a connection between the two is logical. What we’ve seen in American culture over the last few years is a tectonic shift in how many on the left think about the relationship between sexual politics and law. Emerging is a portrait of what my friend Alastair Roberts calls “New Morality.” New Morality is a specific narrative about human ethics, particularly the sexual kind, that places certain moral demands on all who want to participate in public life. The New Morality is specific about what must happen to those who refuse its worldview: They must relinquish the right to be heard.

New Morality is not liberalism, at least the way liberalism is often explained. Most social conservatives see the major threat of liberalism as permissiveness, the sanctioning of immoral or un-American behavior that threatens the social order. There’s still truth in that, of course, but New Morality is actually the opposite of permissiveness, it is prescription. It’s not quite right to think of New Morality liberalism as simply allowing too many things. Rather, by subjugating civil life to a set of postmodern doctrines about the autonomous self, it allows too few. Dissent has become heresy, and heresy cannot co-exist with the pure faith. We used to picture liberalism as pushing the boundaries of our conscience. New Morality liberalism has found an entirely new conscience, and seeks to shrink the margins, not expand them.

The belief that the Indiana RFRA is a license for discrimination is coherent only if one believes that offering any sort of legal recourse for businesses in discrimination lawsuits is itself intolerant. But that’s exactly where the times have taken us. We have arrived at a place where prominent columnists can speak openly about “stamping out” voices who disagree with New Morality. We see private Christian universities punished for hiring policies consistent with their charters and articles of faith. We see the personal lives of judges carefully screened and regulated for anti-New Morality activity. What is being created before our eyes is in no way secular. It is religion, and religious orthodoxy is the price of citizenship.

So then, we come back to the issue of what liberalism means. My question is: Who are today’s liberals? Who are the ones who will protest the creation of a state faith in New Morality and argue for the public inclusion of those with differing opinions? Who will widen the margins of civic life? Where are the true Jeffersons, the spokespeople for pluralism, the lovers of debate and of bottom-up cultural creation?

Can we find those liberals who defer to debate and persuasion rather than fiat and coercion? I’m afraid we have no choice. This isn’t about special protection for or the privileging of evangelicalism; it’s about recovering a sense of belonging for all in the public square. To be liberal is to believe that no social orthodoxy is ever worth more than freedom of conscience. That is precisely the conviction that is at risk today. Against this backdrop, Indiana’s RFRA is a fundamentally liberal law. The question is: Where are its liberal champions?

John D #fundie answers.yahoo.com

A lot of people here seem to forget that evolution is a thoroughly pagan pantheistic world veiw. It originates with the belief in reincarnation. And most evolutionists are cowards and don't like a real debate with a knowledgable scholar of creationism. As for all creation stories being taught is not necessary our society doesn't have everyone of every religion in it. Should we teaching the ancient Greek view of creation. Any ancient Greeks out there?

Kamea Frog #racist frogirm.ca

Multiculturalism – Good Bye



Kamea Frog battles over values



Africanization/Nativization – cultural values we do not want



1. Western tradition was founded upon (among others) the Iliad, Shakespeare, Mozart, Chopin, and sophistication. Let’s do not strain from our ideal.


2. 1 in 9 black men in the 20-34 age group is behind bars. 2.3 million of US citizens are currently serving time, 70 percent of whom are black and Latino in spite making up only 23 percent of the nation's population. They are NOT your role models.


3. We need to ask why black men and women, or other who are non-white, are needed as cultural icons by the white middle class?


4. African coarseness is peddled by the Jewish Media. Stay away from it. Black culture is for the black people.


5. We are in the midst of a war of civilizations and the Multiculturalists are wining. Do not accept multicultarism.


6. Each ethic group has its own culture. What is good for them is not necessary good for you.


Drugs Are not part of European heritage


Everything from cigarettes to opium to coffee was brought to Europe from other cultures. Drug use, even coffee use, has had a terrible effect on European culture and changed it permanently for worse. I worked both with cocaine and coffee addicts, and I have to say that the coffee addicts are the worst to deal with. So say goodbye to foreign cultures of drug use and that includes coffee and cigarettes. Leave them to the indigenous people.It's their culture, not yours.



Madonna and Justin Timberlake

What can I say? Sad. Two white people, who thanks to multiculturalism, lost their culture and are aspiring to become apes. Once upon a time, there was Mozart and then there were Apes. Now the descendants of Mozart’s culture want to be apes. Cultural devolution? Yes.

The Jet Set - Time To Party (Poland - 2007)

Since opening of the borders africanization reached E. Europe. In Poland, they had to import Africans so the polish girls could undress and wear gold chains. This video also shows other African/Middle Eastern cultural influences on E. European culture and these are half-naked women shaking their hips in front of a man. This kind of dance is not native to European culture and definitively not to E. European culture. It originated outside of Europe. Hence strip bars have their roots in Middle East (harem) and African cultures that were unfortunately imported to Europe

Africanization has reached reached Ukraine. I wonder when is it going to reach Kazahstan? It‘s so sad to see Ukrainians to forget their own culture and aspire to be lowlifes.



Star Jones and some other girls

Why do white people participate in this programm is beyond my comprehence, but then European culture has always been divided into high and low culture. Stay away from low culture.



Deprogramme yourself from Africanization.
Say good bye to ape music and start listening to human music.
Deprogramme yourself from Africanization.
Leave ape rhythms to apes.
Your music is not rhythm; it’s music.

CMS_ALTAS_LHC #fundie popsci.com

Well I have never lost an argument under estimating the intelligence of an Atheist. I say now that all should test the nature of debates between Science and Religion. What fuels them is the fact that Atheists are so frustrated. While Christians, for example, are content. Atheists try to argue using science. which, in my opinion, almost obviously proves God exists.
You can pose many examples. I like to use Thermodynamics. Therein, our first law, everything moves to a state of disorder. Under this Law, our fuel, Hydrogen is abundant. The universal energy source. So if time were cyclic? We would have no Sun and we would have run out.
The red shift, Doppler effect, proves the singularity or origin, If you will. The Bible states that the stars will fall from the sky. In one of it's most confrontational verses. Which explains the reversion to this singularity. Research the literal translations of the bible from Hebrew. As John Clayton stated. The Beginning of Genesis actually reads in English, That for which there were none before created the heaved up things. Heaved... and, when written, they had no ideas about a theory as complex as the Big Bang. Not until 1934 or so. That's always a fun debate. Can of worms, anyone.

Daddys_girl #fundie rr-bb.com

One of the smartest men I've ever met [clearly annointed!!!] is Dr. Kent Hovind. He holds a PhD and taught high school science for almost 30 years. Now he goes around the world debating Creationism vs evolution for the Lord.

He has more proof for Creation and the plausibility of the literal 6-day creation than anyone I've ever heard...........and he knows it's from God. I wouldn't be saved without him. I'm one of those nerdy types who always needs to know why and how. This man had more fact to back up his argument that I found myself on my knees in tears as an atheist one night, KNOWING that God really IS true, and better yet, He loves me, warts and all.

Peter Dolinski #fundie theontarion.on.ca

Re: Faith Vs Atheism by Adam Morris, p 5, Ontarion April 10, 2008

I was pleasantly surprised by the respect that Adam Morris shows in his letter towards those with whom he does not share the same point of view in the ongoing debate of creationism vs evolution. I would like to bring some points to the debate I hope readers will find interesting.

There is a lot of purely scientific material that while not proving a creationist view strongly questions or refutes the concept of Darwinian evolution. Sadly as in the days of Galileo anything that challenges the day's dogma gets dismissed. There is no surer way to get vilified or lose funding than to challenge evolution. And no need to mention God once.

I could list here dime and a dozen questions that have been never answered properly, including those two, one of which got me an earful from a respected evolutionist.

1) How could an animal reprogram its DNA to switch from gills to lungs with all that it entails knowing well that a gradual shift is impossible?

2) Who was T-rex's ancestor?

To terminate a current observation. With the extinction or near extinction of a specie today, be it animal or plant, scientists deplore the fact that along the subject so will its genetic information go the way of ... the dinosaurs. Information that might be pertinent to fight some disease or weather some climates. Hmm... If evolution, creation, no pun intended, of new genetic information, was true then would it matter less... To question is to progress.

Peter Dolinski

{deleted account} #fundie reddit.com

Recently I tried to convince an atheist of intelligent design. I explained to him how unlikely the probability of life simply developing and evolving in human beings was, and how it is much more rational to assume that an intelligent agent was at work. I explained to him how when we come upon an ancient ruin, our first thought is not "oh this must have resulted from natural causes," but rather "these ruins must have been built!"

I then explained how astronomically more complex life is. At the end of the debate he simply shrugged his shoulders and said, "Well maybe God created the universe, or maybe there's an infinite number of universes and the universe we live in is the only one we could live in, and it's the way it is because out of the infinite number of universes it was bound to happen. I guess we'll never know."

I think this was a very powerful lesson. The truth is that people will believe whatever they want to believe. As Socrates once famously said, "The only thing I know is that I don't know anything." If someone wants to believe something, then they'll find a way to justify their belief. If we could rationally convince people of the existence of God, then He wouldn't be God but rather a man-made idea. God is beyond our mere rationality.

If we could deduce God logically, then there would be no need for faith. People believe what they believe not because it is rationally and logically true beyond a doubt, but because it is useful and convenient. Instead of trying to convince people that we're right, we should just develop our own young earth Biology and Physics that is just as useful as the current old earth Biology and Physics. We can teach both models, since both models are equally effective at making accurate predictions, and let people decide what they want to believe. I think this would be the best approach we can take.

Kimberly Daniels #fundie cbn.com

Even the colors of Halloween (orange, brown and dark red) are dedicated. These colors are connected to the fall equinox, which is around the 20th or 21st of September each year and is sometimes called "Mabon." During this season witches are celebrating the changing of the seasons from summer to fall. They give praise to the gods for the demonic harvest. They pray to the gods of the elements (air, fire, water and earth).

Mother earth is highly celebrated during the fall demonic harvest. Witches praise mother earth by bringing her fruits, nuts and herbs. Demons are loosed during these acts of worship. When nice church folk lay out their pumpkins on the church lawn, fill their baskets with nuts and herbs, and fire up their bonfires, the demons get busy. They have no respect for the church grounds. They respect only the sacrifice and do not care if it comes from believers or non-believers.

Gathering around bonfires is a common practice in pagan worship. As I remember, the bonfires that I attended during homecoming week when I was in high school were always in the fall. I am amazed at how we ignorantly participate in pagan, occult rituals.

Alan F. Alford #fundie bibliotecapleyades.net

WHERE did we come from?
Are we the product of a Divine Creation?
Did we evolve through natural selection?
Or is there another possible answer?


Introduction

In November 1859, Charles Darwin published a most dangerous idea - that all living things had evolved through a process of natural selection. Although there was almost no mention of mankind in Darwin’s treatise, the implications were unavoidable and led to a more radical change in human self-perception than anything before it in recorded history. In one blow, Darwin had relegated us from divinely-created beings to apes - the culmination of evolution by the impersonal mechanism of natural selection.

But are the scientists right in applying the theory of evolution to the strange two-legged hominid known as ‘man’? Charles Darwin himself was strangely quiet on this point but his co-discoverer Alfred Wallace was less reluctant to express his views. Wallace himself was adamant that ‘some intelligent power has guided or determined the development of man.’

One hundred years of science have failed to prove Alfred Wallace wrong. Anthropologists have failed miserably to produce fossil evidence of man’s ‘missing link’ with the apes and there has been a growing recognition of the complexity of organs such as the human brain.

Such are the problems with the application of Darwinism to mankind that Stephen Jay Gould - America’s evolutionist laureate - has described human evolution as an ‘awesome improbability’.


In Search of the Missing Link

Speciation - the separation of one species into two different species - is defined as the point where two groups within the same species are no longer able to inter-breed. The British scientist Richard Dawkins has described the separation quite poetically as ‘the long goodbye’.

The search for the missing link between man and the apes is the search for the earliest hominid - the upright, bipedal ape who waved ‘a long goodbye’ to his four-legged friends.

I will now attempt to briefly summarize what is known about human evolution.

According to the experts, the rivers of human genes and chimpanzee genes split from a common ancestral source some time between 5 and 7 million years ago, whilst the river of gorilla genes is generally thought to have branched off slightly earlier. In order for this speciation to occur, three populations of common ape ancestors (the future gorillas, chimpanzees and hominids) had to become geographically separated and thereafter subject to genetic drift, influenced by their different environments.

The search for the missing link has turned up a number of fossil contenders, dating from around 4 million years ago, but the picture remains very incomplete and the sample size is too small to draw any statistically valid conclusions. There are, however, three contenders for the prize of the first fully bipedal hominid, all discovered in the East African Rift valley which slashes through Ethiopia, Kenya and Tanzania.

The first contender, discovered in the Afar province of Ethiopia in 1974, is named Lucy, although her more scientific name is Australopithecus Afarensis. Lucy is estimated to have lived between 3.6-3.2 million years ago. Unfortunately her skeleton was only 40 per cent complete and this has resulted in controversy regarding whether she was a true biped and whether in fact ‘she’ might even have been a ‘he’.

The second contender is Australopithecus Ramidus, a 4.4 million year old pygmy chimpanzee-like creature, discovered at Aramis in Ethiopia by Professor Timothy White in 1994. Despite a 70 per cent complete skeleton, it has again not been possible to prove categorically whether it had two or four legs.

The third contender, dated between 4.1-3.9 million years old, is the Australopithecus Anamensis, discovered at Lake Turkana in Kenya by Dr Meave Leakey in August 1995. A shinbone from Anamensis has been used to back up the claim that it walked on two feet.

The evidence of our oldest ancestors is confusing because they do not seem to be closely related to each other. Furthermore, the inexplicable lack of fossil evidence for the preceding 10 million years has made it impossible to confirm the exact separation date of these early hominids from the four-legged apes. It is also important to emphasize that many of these finds have skulls more like chimpanzees than men.

They may be the first apes that walked but, as of 4 million years ago, we are still a long way from anything that looked even remotely human.

Moving forward in time, we find evidence of several types of early man which are equally confusing. We have the 1.8 million year old appropriately named Robustus, the 2.5 million year old and more lightly built Africanus, and the 1.5 to 2 million year old Advanced Australopithecus. The latter, as the name suggests, is more man-like than the others and is sometimes referred to as ‘near-man’ or Homo habilis (‘handy man’). It is generally agreed that Homo habilis was the first truly man-like being which could walk efficiently and use very rough stone tools. The fossil evidence does not reveal whether rudimentary speech had developed at this stage.

Around 1.5 million years ago Homo erectus appeared on the scene. This hominid had a considerably larger brain-box (cranium) than its predecessors and started to design and use more sophisticated stone tools.

A wide spread of fossils indicates that Homo erectus groups left Africa and spread across China, Australasia and Europe between 1,000,000-700,000 years ago but, for unknown reasons, disappeared altogether around 300,000-200,000 years ago. There is little doubt, by a process of elimination, that this is the line from which Homo sapiens descended.

The missing link, however, remains a mystery. In 1995, The Sunday Times summarized the evolutionary evidence as follows:
The scientists themselves are confused. A series of recent discoveries has forced them to tear up the simplistic charts on which they blithely used to draw linkages... the classic family tree delineating man’s descent from the apes, familiar to us at school, has given way to the concept of genetic islands. The bridgework between them is anyone’s guess.
As to the various contenders speculated as mankind’s ancestor, The Sunday Times stated:
Their relationships to one another remain clouded in mystery and nobody has conclusively identified any of them as the early hominid that gave rise to Homo sapiens.
In summary, the evidence discovered to date is so sparse that a few more sensational finds will still leave the scientists clutching at straws.

Consequently mankind’s evolutionary history is likely to remain shrouded in mystery for the foreseeable future.


The Miracle of Man

Today, four out of ten Americans find it difficult to believe that humans are related to the apes. Why is this so? Compare yourself to a chimpanzee. Man is intelligent, naked and highly sexual - a species apart from his alleged primate relatives.

This may be an intuitive observation but it is actually supported by scientific study. In 1911, the anthropologist Sir Arthur Keith listed the anatomical characteristics peculiar to each of the primate species, calling them ‘generic characters’ which set each apart from the others. His results were as follows: gorilla 75; chimpanzee 109; orangutan 113; gibbon 116; man 312. Keith thus showed scientifically that mankind was nearly three times more distinctive than any other ape.

Another scientist to take this approach was the British zoologist Desmond Morris. In his book, The Naked Ape, Desmond Morris highlighted the amazing mystery of mankind’s ‘missing hair’:
Functionally, we are stark naked and our skin is fully exposed to the outside world. This state of affairs still has to be explained, regardless of how many tiny hairs we can count under a magnifying lens.
Desmond Morris contrasted Homo sapiens with 4,237 species of mammals, the vast majority of which were hairy or partly haired. The only non-hairy species were those which lived underground (and thus kept warm without hair), species which were aquatic (and benefited from streamlining), and armoured species such as the armadillo (where hair would clearly be superfluous). Morris commented:
The naked ape [man] stands alone, marked off by his nudity from all the thousands of hairy, shaggy or furry land-dwelling mammalian species... if the hair has to go, then clearly there must be a powerful reason for abolishing it.
Darwinism has yet to produce a satisfactory answer as to how and why man lost his hair. Many imaginative theories have been suggested, but so far no-one has come up with a really acceptable explanation. The one conclusion that can perhaps be drawn, based on the principle of gradiented change, is that man spent a long time evolving, either in a very hot environment or in water.

Another unique feature of mankind may provide us with a clue to the loss of body hair. That feature is sexuality. The subject was covered in juicy detail by Desmond Morris, who highlighted unique human features such as extended foreplay, extended copulation and the orgasm. One particular anomaly is that the human female is always ‘in heat’, yet she can only conceive for a few days each month.

As another scientist, Jared Diamond, has pointed out, this is an evolutionary enigma that cannot be explained by natural selection:
The most hotly debated problem in the evolution of human reproduction is to explain why we nevertheless ended up with concealed ovulation, and what good all our mistimed copulations do us.
Many scientists have commented also on the anomaly of the male penis, which is by far the largest erect penis of any living primate.

The geneticist Steve Jones has noted it as a mystery which is ‘unanswered by science’, a point which is echoed by Jared Diamond:
... we descend to a glaring failure: the inability of twentieth-century science to formulate an adequate Theory of Penis Length... astonishing as it seems, important functions of the human penis remain obscure.
Desmond Morris described man as ‘the sexiest primate alive’, but why did evolution grant us such a bountiful gift? The whole human body seems to be perfectly designed for sexual excitement and pair bonding.

Morris saw elements of this plan in the enlarged breasts of the female, the sensitive ear lobes and lips, and a vaginal angle that encouraged intimate face to face copulation. He also highlighted our abundance of scent-producing glands, our unique facial mobility and our unique ability to produce copious tears - all features which strengthened the exclusive emotional pair-bonding between male and female.

This grand design could not be imagined unless humans also lost their shaggy coat of hair and so it might seem that the mystery of the missing hair is solved. Unfortunately, it is not that simple, for evolution does not set about achieving grand designs. The Darwinists are strangely silent on what incremental steps were involved, but however it happened it should have taken a long, long time.

There are three other interesting anomalies of ‘the naked ape’ which are also worthy of note.
The first is the appalling ineptitude of the human skin to repair itself. In the context of a move to the open savanna, where bipedal man became a vulnerable target, and in the context of a gradual loss of protective hair, it seems inconceivable that the human skin should have become so fragile relative to our primate cousins.

The second anomaly is the unique lack of penis bone in the male. This is in complete contrast to other mammals, which use the penis bone to copulate at short notice. The deselection of this vital bone would have jeopardized the existence of the human species unless it took place against the background of a long and peaceful environment.

The third anomaly is our eating habits. Whereas most animals will swallow their food instantaneously, we take the luxury of six whole seconds to transport our food from mouth to stomach. This again suggests a long period of peaceful evolution.
The question which arises is where this long and peaceful evolution is supposed to have taken place, because it certainly does not fit the scenario which is presented for Homo sapiens.

Nor have Darwinists explained adequately how the major changes in human anatomy were achieved in a time frame of only 6 million years...


The Mystery of the Human Brain

The greatest mystery of Homo sapiens is its incredible brain.

During the last fifteen years, scientists have used new imaging technologies (such as positron-emission tomography) to discover more about the human brain than ever before. The full extent of the complexity of its billions of cells has thus become more and more apparent. In addition to the brain’s physical complexity, its performance knows no bounds - mathematics and art, abstract thought and conceptualization and, above all, moral conscience and self-awareness.

Whilst many of the human brain’s secrets remain shrouded in mystery, enough has been revealed for National Geographic to have boldly described it as ’the most complex object in the known universe’.

Evolutionists see the brain as nothing more than a set of algorithms, but they are forced to admit that it is so complex and unique that there is no chance of reverse engineering the evolutionary process that created it.

The eminent scientist Roger Penrose, for example, commented:
I am a strong believer in the power of natural selection. But I do not see how natural selection, in itself, can evolve algorithms which could have the kind of conscious judgments of the validity of other algorithms that we seem to have.
What does the fossil record tell us about our evolving brain capabilities? The data varies considerably and must be treated with care (since the sample sizes are limited), but the following is a rough guide.

The early hominid Afarensis had around 500cc and Habilis/Australopithecus had around 700cc. Whilst it is by no means certain that one evolved from the other, it is possible to see in these figures the evolutionary effects over two million years of the hominid’s new environment.

As we move forward in time to 1.5 million years ago, we find a sudden leap in the cranial capacity of Homo erectus to around 900-1000cc. If we assume, as most anthropologists do, that this was accompanied by an increase in intelligence, it represents a most unlikely macromutation. Alternatively, we might explain this anomaly by viewing erectus as a separate species whose ancestors have not yet been found due to the poor fossil records.

Finally, after surviving 1.2 to 1.3 million years without any apparent change, and having successfully spread out of Africa to China, Australasia and Europe, something extraordinary happened to the Homo erectus hominid. Perhaps due to climatic changes, his population began to dwindle until he eventually died out. And yet, while most Homo erectus were dying, one managed to suddenly transform itself into Homo sapiens , with a vast increase in cranial capacity from 950cc to 1450cc.

Human evolution thus appears like an hourglass, with a narrowing population of Homo erectus leading to possibly one single mutant, whose improved genes emerged into a new era of unprecedented progress. The transformation from failure to success is startling. It is widely accepted that we are the descendants of Homo erectus (who else was there to descend from?) but the sudden changeover defies all known laws of evolution. Hence Stephen Jay Gould’s comment about the ’awesome improbability of human evolution’.

Why has Homo sapiens developed intelligence and self-awareness whilst his ape cousins have spent the last 6 million years in evolutionary stagnation? Why has no other creature in the animal kingdom developed an advanced level of intelligence?

ole shosty #fundie prophecyfellowship.org

(On Christians and debating)

I tried debating a raging atheist over evolution and creation, and it ultimately caused me to seriously question my faith for several years!!! satan can really fool us with logical sounding arguments and has dragged more than one solid Christian into doubt over such issues!

Bodie Hodge #fundie answersingenesis.org

(Ken Ham's son-in-law responds to Mr. C)

Dear Mr. C,

Thank you for commenting about the Nye Ham debate. Please see my comments below.

This is one proof you lost the debate.

But Mr. Ham didn’t lose the debate (and the gospel was spread to millions of people). Here is the simple reason why: Mr. Nye never addressed the debate topic, so how could someone win the debate if they never addressed the topic?

The debate topic was the following: “Is Creation a Viable Model of Origins in Today’s Modern, Scientific Era?”

Mr. Nye immediately changed the topic to address something else: “Does Ken Ham’s creation model hold up? Is it viable?”

What few realize is that in doing so, Mr. Nye also misrepresented Mr. Ham’s position by claiming Mr. Ham’s model was that natural law changed at the Flood, that Mr. Ham’s model was opposed to science, that Noah’s Ark was like a zoo, that Noah’s Ark held at least 14,000 animals but was supposed to have millions of species, the Bible (specifically Genesis) was written by men only (no God), we oppose scientific predictions, and the list continues. The point is that this false model was a straw man that Mr. Nye set up. In other words, he changed what the creation model really was and attacked a false version of it in the debate, and so he never really addressed the debate topic. And this was the case throughout the debate.

you couldn’t answer nye on your feet,

A few things here. First, with the debate format and time limits, you can’t answer everything. Mr. Nye used the “skeptical method” by the way, which is to throw out numerous arguments, true or false, and hope to deceive people into thinking he won.

The reason for doing this is simple. Many watching the debate will notice that Mr. Ham didn’t answer a particular question, and so it is assumed then that he can’t answer the question, hence viewers may misperceive that someone loses the debate on that account. But it works both ways: neither debater can answer everything they were presented with even in typical debate, let alone when one uses the skeptical method.

Mr. Nye admitted to using this method after the debate. Mr. Nye says the following of a misrepresentation of biblical creationist and debater Dr. Duane Gish:

He was infamous for jumping from one topic to another, introducing one spurious or specious fact or line of reasoning after another. A scientist debating Gish often got bogged down in details and, by all accounts, came across looking like the loser. It quickly occurred to me that I could do the same thing. . . . I did my best to slam Ken Ham with a great many scientific and common sense arguments. I believed he wouldn’t have the time or the focus to address many of them.1

Second, not answering something is not the same as losing a debate. Jesus never answered certain things at his trial, and even though they had Him put to death on the Cross, Christ won (Acts 8:32).

Third, Mr. Nye failed to answer the most basic tenets of debate from his worldview, such as why he thinks logic, reasoning, morality, truth, and knowledge exist in his materialistic worldview. For Mr. Nye to even argue against the biblical position would be to give up his worldview (which cannot account for the existence of logic and reason) and borrow from the truth of God’s Word. In other words, for him to even try to make a case meant he lost the debate! He never answered this after being asked repeatedly to do so.

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more and more people are realizing just how intellectually bankrupt AiG is

Yet we are increasing in support each year. This is mere hand waving. Our mission is to proclaim the absolute authority of God Word. Why would any Christian think this is bankrupt?

—in fact, some people i know, fellow old earth creationists, are now dialoguing with a woman who wrote a book defending YEC [young earth creation]—using mostly AiG materials—and, in light of criticisms of atheists, has now become an atheist.

And I used to hold to some old-earth ideas promoted by Dr. Hugh Ross, but because I couldn’t hold to geological and astronomical evolution in light of God’s Word or to the idea that the order of creation was different, that the old-earth position was not tenable.

The issue was God vs. man’s ideas. The hope would be that this woman would realize that atheists can be wrong but God cannot be.

as long as ministries like AiG endure, we'll see more and more stories like this;

As long as ministries like RTB exist that mix Christianity with secular humanistic religious ideas like the supposed big bang and millions of years in Genesis, then there will always be a need to help people get back to the authority of God’s Word beginning in Genesis.

especially among young people—once they realize they've been lied to by YEC ministries, they almost inevitably reject the christian faith.

Stats from America’s Research Group show the exact opposite. It was hypocritical Christian leaders who taught things like an old earth, when the kids can read Genesis and not get millions of years out of it, that led to the majority of kids walking away. Please read Already Gone by Ken Ham and Britt Beemer for more about why two-thirds of young people are leaving the church by the time they reach college.

By the way, what lies do you claim we teach?

my prediction is that, within 50 yrs AiG will either become nonexistent or so irrelevant that is practically doesn't exist, or that it will morph into an old earth creationist ministry!

Only the Lord knows. We ask that people pray to keep the ministry of Answers in Genesis a solid biblical authority ministry for years to come. But your prophecy is marked (consider Deuteronomy 13).

for those of you questioning your faith after watching ken ham lose to bill nye,

First, Mr. Nye didn’t win because he never addressed the debate topic. For those deceived into thinking that Mr. Nye won even though he never addressed the debate topic, we invite you to read the Bible (you can get an overview with Begin) and realize that God is never wrong, but people can be. It is a matter of faith in either fallible, imperfect men about the past or a perfect, infallible God.

Meanwhile, we’ve been praising the Lord for the many testimonies of people whose faith has been strengthened after watching the debate.

i encourage you to log onto [the Reasons to Believe website] for real answers to science-faith issues!

For those reading, Reasons to Believe believes that the secular interpretations of nature are equal to Scripture. Often times, they are used to supersede the plain reading of the Bible, particularly in Genesis in favor of the secular world’s ideas like the big bang.

The president of RTB, Dr. Hugh Ross, has made the claim in his book Creation and Time that nature is likened unto the 67th book of the Bible and should be trusted as such.2 He has reiterated this. If you read the Charisma article by Andy Butcher, “He Sees God in the Stars” (June 2003), you’ll find that Ross still agrees with this principle of adding to Scripture. The principle can even be found in his more recent book A Matter of Days.

RTB also agrees with astronomical evolution (big bang) and geological evolution (millions of years), which are tenets of the religion of humanism. They also believe the Flood of Noah’s Day was local and not a global, world-covering event (see, for example, Genesis 7:19–20).

We want to encourage RTB to get back to the authority of the Bible from the very first verse. When we read the pages of Scripture, the whole creation is corrupted due to sin (e.g., Romans 8:22), the ground has been cursed (Genesis 3:17), the Curse has not been removed yet (Revelation 22:3), and our fallen and sinful natures often err when trying to properly understand this sin-cursed and broken world.

So why treat nature on par with the 66 books of the Bible? Instead, the Bible should be used to supersede our fallible interpretations of nature, particularly the past.

GOD bless!

Blessing in Christ,

Bodie

Footnotes

1.Bill Nye, “Bill Nye’s Take on the Nye-Ham Debate,” Skeptical Inquirer 38, no. 3, “http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bill_nyes_take_on_the_nye-ham_debate/

2.Colorado Springs: Navpress 1994, 56.

TruthIsNeverTooHorrible #conspiracy scam.com

Fake spacecraft New Horizon visits fake planet Pluto - mockery at the end of the show
To get this mockery of the "space travel" simulated reality to terminate the show:
Pluto was the first celestial body created by the illuminati, decades before the creation of the space travel hoax, as exposed first by Last Prophet.

BBC's reporter on 9/11 2001 announcing the fall of WTC 7 with the tower still standing behind her - repeated with New Horizon and Pluto
"BBC report on it ,behind the reporter in the US was a poster of the project. It was Identical to the picture we are being told just came through.
The Interviewer pretending not to realise she was still on camera was rolling her eyes at the reporter.

Notes
Here's What Pluto Looks Like From About 7,750 Miles Away
by Bloomberg Video 1:56 mins
July 14 -- NASA’s New Horizon spacecraft reaped the rewards of a nine-year, three-billion-mile journey on Tuesday as it sent back pictures from a close flyby near Pluto.
https://news.yahoo.com/video/nasa-ce...165957321.html

BBC remake - Near the end of the programme 45 mins in total.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33524589

BASICS
ASTRONOMY FOR DUMMIES - The ONE BASIC FACT - read and weep about yourself
Any celestial body that can not be observed with a telescope located ON Earth, is fake.
This one basic fact implies that for instance Pluto (the first example among millions) is an invention created by the illuminati.
Decades later the illuminati used NASA and the soviet space agency to serially produce Pluto type of hoaxes.
http://good-astronomy.blogspot.com/2...-read-and.html

9/11 was not yet the end of the show. The main goal of BBC's staged "glitch" reporting the fall of WTC7 in advance was not to mock but to terrorize the audience, as explained first by Last Prophet.
http://911-for-dummies.blogspot.com/

hzcummi #fundie iidb.org

A Scientific Prediction from Genesis:

Besides myself, all other people that try to tell us what Genesis is saying do not understand the text, and are speaking from ignorance. I’m sorry to have to take this position, but there are too many false teachers and unqualified people talking about “creation\evolution debates” (when no such contest exists), and proclaiming false doctrines about Genesis, such as Creation Science, theistic evolution, progressive creation, and “gap” theories. There is even the fad of “Intelligent Design”, which is a big waste of time, and has almost nothing of value to offer.

...

I am now making this declaration, so that mankind may know that the words and events written in Genesis is true, and the humanist theories of our origins are false. I predict that secular science shall soon find, if they have not already, solid evidence of prehistoric mankind, which is earlier than 30 million years in age. The book “Moses Didn’t Write About Creation!”, states from Genesis that mankind has been in his present likeness for over 60 million years. Moses wrote about extinction and restoration.

Albert Mohler #fundie albertmohler.com

[On Europe's rapid population decline]

There are countless issues connected to these questions, but in the end, this represents a spiritual problem. Some try to explain the drop in birthrates by pointing to economic factors and the high cost of living. Economic factors play a part, no doubt, but families found ways to sustain themselves with children through far harder times than these.

This pattern seems to reflect, at least in part, a sense of cultural and spiritual exhaustion. Has Europe grown weary as a civilization. It would seem hard to deny that this must be linked to the rapid secularization of Europe.

At the very least, some in Europe now see babies and children as a hobby rather than a national priority. That path leads to a most depressing conclusion. As Carl Haub so eloquently explains, "You can't have a country where everybody lives in a nursing home."

no1home2day #fundie answers.yahoo.com

I'm not afraid, I don't hate, and I don't mock homosexuals. But that doesn't mean that I agree with their life style.

How long will people continue to equate disagreement with hate and fear?

If (and that's one big IF) - but if you believe in evolution, then you can NOT believe in homosexuality as a valid lifestyle, unless you think that this mess (called "life") is finally cleaning itself up after all these millennia.

Let me explain: If life originated because of evolution, it was an accident - matter, energy, space and time working in random chaos.

When *I* have an accident - say I spill my milk all over the table, I get up, I go into the kitchen, I grab some towels, I come back, and I clean up the accidental spill.

If life truly IS an accident, maybe homosexuality is nature's way of wiping up the mistake to finally, once and for all, get rid of human life!

But if you DO believe in evolution, then you must understand that homosexuality is counter productive to the propagation of the species, so it is in violation of the evolutionary process.

Personally, I do NOT believe in evolution. I believe that God designed us, and just as you don't go putting peanut butter in the carburetor of your car because it violates the operating specs that Ford Motor Company (or Chrysler, or who ever) wrote to keep the vehicle running properly, likewise, homosexuality is in violation of the operating specs of the human species.

And please, PLEASE don't point to what animals do - if you've already lowered yourself to the level of an animal, I pity you! I'm more than mere animal. I have a soul. Did you lose yours?

So, let's get this controversy over once and for all, and just STOP! (I promise I won't put peanut butter in the carburetor of my car because it violates the design specs of the manufacturer. But you, too, must promise to not violate the design specs of OUR manufacturer!)

Laurette Willis #fundie cbn.com

We are bombarded by messages of yoga’s peaceful and healthful benefits, but what we don’t hear, specifically in the United States, is the true origins of this type of lifestyle. Laurette made it very clear to me in a recent phone interview.

“These are postures that are offered to the 330 million Hindu gods. Yoga postures really are; they are offerings to the gods. If you do these postures and you do this breathing technique and this meditation, then you will be accepted by a god, little “G.” That’s the real danger,” she said.

Laurette told me that one of her PraiseMoves certified personal trainers visited India for three months on a mission trip, and she would often see people in the streets doing yoga poses in front of the statues of the gods.

“Romans 12:1-2 says we are to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice to God,” added Laurette. “Here they are doing something very similar with these postures to their 330 million gods, and it is scary. So we abstain from things offered to idols—Acts 15:29.”

In yoga they do what they call pranayama breathing. Prana is the Hindu word for life force, the same concept as the word chi in some martial arts. Yoga breathing attempts to manipulate that life energy, which Laurette believes is perilous. “That is a dangerous thing,” she said, “because I think that we are coming out from under the blood of Jesus when we do stuff like that, and we are no match for the enemy in those areas. I think of what Paul said in Ephesians 2:2, that Satan is the prince of the power of the air. We are not talking about oxygen.”

A third area of concern in yoga is the concept of emptying the mind, which is contradictory to what Christianity teaches. As Laurette explained, “We are transformed by the renewing of our minds, not the emptying.”

Along with emptying the mind, yoga guides people into astral travel, which is where people actually leave their bodies, a practice that Laurette was familiar with and has since questioned. “I wonder with those experiences when I left my body what got in there when I was gone?” Laurette posed. “As a Christian with the Holy Spirit in there, we are not going to be possessed, I don’t think. But one could easily be oppressed.”

Clearly, with this understanding of yoga, Christians should think twice before heading to the local gym for a yoga class. But if you are a Christian who thinks it’s all right to attend yoga classes because you think you are strong enough not to fall prey to the spiritual deception that’s being taught and you enjoy the physical benefits, Laurette pleads in all seriousness that you to please consider a younger believer or weaker Christian who is watching your lifestyle. If you go to a yoga class, chances are they might be inspired to go also, and they could fall completely off track in their walk with God.

[...]

But Laurette warns that yoga’s ability to bring a sense of calm is one of its deceptive charms: “That’s one thing people look at, too,” said Laurette. “They say, ‘My doctor, my chiropractor, my physical therapist says to do it. It helps me. I feel less stressful.’ Well, it wouldn’t be a hook if it didn’t have something good in it.”

Yoga also fulfilled a spiritual need in Laurette’s life. Though her family went to church, Laurette says she never heard the message of salvation preached there. “We didn’t know about living the victorious Christian life,” she explained. “We were not aware of the deception that is inherent within yoga and its connections to Hinduism. It seemed so spiritual, so it was fulfilling a void that was in our lives. I have found that any part of our lives that is not submitted to the lordship of Jesus Christ is an open door for the enemy.

Society of Flat Earth Debunkers #conspiracy themillenniumreport.com

The Flat Earthers Are Being Sent Into Every Real Truth Movement To Disrupt And Destroy Them, Especially The Planet X Groups

by Society of Flat Earth Debunkers

If ever there was a PSYOP designed to distract, divert and misdirect, the thoroughly insane Flat Earth Theory (FET) is the one. Never in the history of black operations have the co-conspirators been so fierce and fanatical in their mission to deceive and dupe.

Just what is that covert mission? To effectively blow up every internet chat room, forum and blog that has many meaningful discussion about Planet X, formerly known as the 10th Planet. Planet X is the real megillah that everyone has been tying to hide for decades. Simply put, its profound ramifications are so far-reaching and highly consequential that TPTB cannot risk the people catching on. Hence, along comes the Flat Earth Theory to change the conversation into absolute and utter gibberish.

Anyone who knows how COINTELPRO really works will tell you that these Flat Earthers have been carefully cultivated in some serious mind-control programming experiments. Whenever they encounter any resistance to their utterly absurd FET hallucinations, they literally go ballistic. However, they do so with great purpose and calculation. Their studied responses are quite manipulative, just as their triggered reactions are practically inhuman.

Just go to one of the big chat rooms and hang out in one that has made the Flat Earth Theory the topic of discussion. Watch the intensity on the side of the Flat Earthers, especially the way that they deceptively advance their daft arguments. It’s almost as though these folks (probably droids) have been fabricated in some laboratory somewhere in Andromeda. Their thought process is not human, and the practiced sophistry that they routinely employ in downright otherworldly as in AI gone awry in an evil Grey lab in Area 51.

BOTTOM LINE:
There is no good reason to confront a Flat Earther—Anywhere, Anytime or Anyway. They have proven themselves to be incapable of exercising their faculty of human reason. Likewise, they completely lack any common sense and the ability to utilize basic logic. The Flat Earthers were somehow brainwashed in such a way that they can spontaneously suspend the use of their intellect. Most of them lack the capacity to even discern between a simple right and wrong answer to a question which is obviously black and white. For real, these dunces can’t even answer “Yes” or “No” when asked if the sky — RIGHT NOW — is blue or green, when it is a perfectly deep blue sky. Yes, they have completely left the reservation of rationality and reason. They’re either permanently “Out To Lunch”, forever “AWOL”, and “There’s Nobody Home”. We’re talking the complete absence of even an iota of intellectual integrity. Do you now get the picture? (-: Actually, it ought to be )-:

The bottom line, then, is NOT to waste your time with the Flat Earthers. Their primary function is to waste your time … mightily! As well as to distract you from much more important things that are going on everywhere, all the time. During these times, when things are moving VERY fast, no one on the planet has a second to waste. So why spend a moment in debate with a veritable idiocracy of Flat Earth nonsense?!?!

If you really knew that this whole Flat Earth PSYOP was a full-blown DARPA-conceived, CIA-directed, NSA-monitored, DIA-driven black operation, would you continue to given them any energy whatsoever? Well, now you know. Perhaps some folks enjoy the journey into the realm of the extremely deranged; however, be aware that these Flat Earthers know exactly what they’re doing and that you may find yourself trapped off in a fictitious space-time continuum of puerile phantasmagoria and mentally challenged pseudo-entertainment. BEWARE, and be aware, of where they might be taking you.

DISCLAIMER:
The Society of Flat Earth Debunkers (SFED) perfectly understands that NASA does not tell the truth about anything ever, unless they must. The SFED also knows that there are many scientific laws and maxims, theories and hypotheses which are falling apart by the day. We put no stock in the many falsehoods and propagated by the scientific establishment. However, that doesn’t mean that doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of NASA is bunk. After all, they did know enough to launch a space shuttle every now and then. More importantly, the Russians would have given up the International Space Station years ago if all NASA science and technology was falsely concocted. Would you send up your cosmonauts if the math was all wrong?

Mike King #fundie tomatobubble.com

The great and the good of the “intelligentsia” assure us that all “educated” people accept Charles Darwin’s Evolution as a indisputable fact of science that is "not open for debate." Oh those superstitious "straw-men" bible-thumpers portrayed in the propaganda film Inherit the Wind may have a hard time accepting it, but even the slightest doubt can never be tolerated within the elite confines of the academic cool-kids club. Woodrow Wilson Warmonger of World War I fame, a former Princeton professor himself, put it this way:

“Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised.”

And yet, neither Darwin, nor Wilson, nor the Communist ACLU Attorney Clarence Darrow (played by Spencer Tracy), nor any other “scientist” (bow your head in solemn reverence when you say that word) has ever adequately addressed the gaping holes of Darwin’s Dogma. The best rebuttal the "smart people" can muster consists of scorn, ridicule, charges of "stupidity" and even government force -- but never any true scientific substance. Many of these holes are blown wide-open in the book: “God vs Darwin: The Logical Supremacy of Intelligent Design Creationism” (by yours truly). But for this particular piece, let us focus on what is perhaps the single biggest flaw of all regarding trans-species “Evolution” – which should not be confused with minor variations / adaptations of existing characteristics already present in a gene pool (Darwin’s finches, peppered moths, stickleback fish, "super rats" etc.) We refer to this gaping hole as the “complex integration” of multiple parts that is found in all living organisms (even “simple” single-cell bacteria).

Darwin and his deluded devotees maintain that tiny “imperceptible” and "innumerable" blind and random mutations, favored by environmental circumstances, added up over very long periods of time to the point that an evolved species (such as us humans) became unrecognizable from our direct lineal “ancestors” (single-cell oceanic bacteria). Apart from the obvious fact that none of these transitions from millions of years ago were observable, how do the Evolutionists explain away the “complex integration” of our body parts? One part of any given creature could not have blindly “evolved” without so many other parts coming into existence at the exact same moment in time. How can hundreds or even thousands of complex parts -- functioning in sync with one another in a scientific symphony in which each component can only function if all the others are in place -- have “blindly” appeared, without intelligent guidance, one piece-of-the-puzzle at a time, over “millions of years?”

To better illustrate this problem, let’s have a closer look at the integration of the digestive system.

To start the digestive process, we need an oral cavity -- that is, a mouth to put the food in. The mouth needs teeth, both upper & lower sets, deeply anchored into our gums, which are attached to a jaw-bone, which is attached to a skull which is etc., etc., etc., Without all of this in place at the same time, the first step of the digestive process comes to a halt. But our gums and 32 perfectly-matching teeth alone, which come if different shapes and sizes for certain functions, won’t ensure survival. We still need saliva to begin the breaking down of the food, as well as the preservation of our teeth and the gums which hold them. And we also need mucous producing cells in the mouth to help form the saliva mix.

Remove any of those elements (oral cavity, teeth (upper & lower), gums, jaw-bone, salivary glands, mucous) and humans (and many other animals) never make it out of the box. Each of the elements is part of an integrated system in which one element cannot function, and serves no purpose, without all of the others already in place. Then of course there is the tongue – a complex multi-faceted organ in its own right, which is vital for chewing and swallowing food. In the back of the mouth, the tongue is anchored into the hyoid bone – which itself is anchored by various muscles and ligaments. Once swallowed, the pre-digested food passes through the pharynx (part of the throat) -- which is lined by more essential membranes and muscles – and moves down to the esophagus (food pipe).

Let’s review the pre-digestion process: oral cavity, teeth (upper & lower), gums, jaw bone, skull, saliva, mucous, tongue, hyoid bone, muscles, ligaments, pharynx, membranes, muscles, and esophagus. That’s 15 systems in all, each of them also highly complex, and each of them integrated with the other systems. Remove just one, and there can be no digestive system and hence, no species. Therefore, the elements of this grand orchestra had to have come into play at the same time – which implies, no, proves deliberate design. But we’re just getting started.

1. Just the individual contents of the mouth alone form a complex integrated system in which each part is useless without all others in place. 2. Complex Integration: Remove just component, and the whole structure becomes non-viable. 3. For that reason alone (although there are many other flaws) Darwin's ridiculous paper gets an "F."

Moving right along, gravity and contraction (more muscles) push the mix into the stomach where digestive enzymes really begin to break down the food. To block these powerful enzymes from literally “eating” the stomach itself, membranes called b]gastric mucosa produce a protective coating of mucous which lines the stomach. How genius is that? On to the duodenum -- the first section of the small intestine which leads to the large intestine. Along the journey there are more enzymes produced by the pancreas. Then it is down to the colon, (there is an ascending colon, a descending colon and a sigmoid colon) rectum, anal canal and out the anus -- where Darwin's stinky work-of-fiction truly belongs. Assisting the expulsion of bodily waste is the diaphragm -- a sheet of internal skeletal muscle made up of no fewer than a dozen different parts. Though it is mainly part of the respiratory system, the diaphragm also generates the pressure needed for waste disposal.

Key contributions to the process are also rendered by the liver, the gall bladder, the spleen, the cecum, and many more muscles and many more glands to numerous to name. And holding those muscles in place are a complex system of more ligaments fastened to more bones which are fastened to other bones etc. etc. etc. As for the liquids that we ingest, that speaks to a whole other complex integrated system of complex integrated systems involving kidneys, renal arteries, renal veins, urinary tracts, collecting ducts, bladder, pelvis etc[/b. Of course, all of this digestion is pointless without blood-flow to carry the food's nutrients throughout the body – which means that even more complex systems had to have been be put in place at the same time: blood, veins, arteries, capillaries. But the nutrient-carrying blood can’t flow through the vascular system without a pump and an oxidation system already in place, right? You need a set of heart & lungs which are the basis of the cardio-pulminary system -- an incredibly complex integrated structure made up of countless essential components such as the -- (well, you get the point -- we can go on forever with this --)

So, let’s take it from the top, boys and girls. All of the following complex elements must come into place at the same time in order for digestion to work:

oral cavity, teeth, gums, jaw-bone, skull, saliva, mucous, tongue, hyoid bone, muscles, ligaments, pharynx, membranes, more muscles, and esophagus, more muscles, stomach, digestive enzymes, gastric mucosa, duodenum, small intestine, large intestine, more enzymes, pancreas, ascending colon, descending colon, sigmoid colon, rectum, anal canal, anus, diaphragm, liver, gall bladder, spleen, cecum, more muscles, more glands, more ligaments, more bones, kidneys, renal arteries, renal veins, urinary tracts, collecting ducts, bladder, pelvis, blood, veins, arteries, capillaries, cardio-pulminary system, a bunch of other intregrated items and systems too numerous to list here and a partridge in a pear tree!

Each necessary component "blindly" evolved and integrated with all the others by itself --- one at a time, without design? Ha ha ha. --- "Intelligent and educated," my foot!

This mind-boggling complexity, -- which cannot be reduced by even a single element lest the species cease to exist -- becomes even more integrated and more complicated when studied on a molecular level --- the complex "4-digit" DNA “computer coding” behind it all. The mere suggestion of these integrated systems blindly “evolving,” one component at a time, independent of one another, in an “imperceptible” manner over millions of years is absurd on its face. As a matter of fact, St. Charles Darwin himself, in a pathetically futile effort to explain away the “problem” that integrated parts posed for his theory, admitted that his idea sounded “absurd in the highest degree.”

From his Origin of the Species:

“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

After objecting to his own theory (so that he can control the debate), Darwin proceeds, in the very next paragraph, to lamely explain away the "absurdity" of attributing the integrated complexity of the eye to random evolution. But his "solution" to the problem amounts to nothing but a diversionary debating trick.

“When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science."

Darwin is using an old lawyer's trick here. He states the objection, then casually explains it away by using a bizarre and totally irrelevant analogy to astronomy. He also adds a theatrical touch of Latin mumbo-jumbo to impress the easily-impressed. We're not talking about the sun and the earth and "Vox populi," Chuckie! The subject here is your admittedly "absurd"-sounding claim that the integrated complexity of organisms and body parts came about blindly, randomly, and one element at a time without any intelligence involved. Explain it for us!

Plato warned us to be on guard against the type of empty diversionary rhetoric that Darwin used to explain away the massive holes in his goofy theory of self-creating life coming blindly from non-life, and then putting its own integrated parts together.

Darwin continues:

"Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory.”

More slick sophistry and silly semantics -- An "if", followed by another "if," then a "can be," then an "if further," then a "should be," and a "could be," then a "though," and finally a "should not be." If elephants could fly -- If I could live forever -- If dogs could speak. If, maybe, perhaps, and, though, coulda, woulda, shoulda, mighta, but, but but, if, if, if... This then is what the academic cool-kids club refers to as "science?" This non-observable and wild speculation about "numerous gradations" of the eye's integrated components amounts to pure rhetorical manipulation -- not true science. Read it again closely. Darwin totally dodges the question and explains NOTHING to solve the mystery of complex integration -- a mind-boggling phenomena that is observable in all living creatures and even "simple" single-cell organisms.

As it is with the many essential integrated systems of an automobile -- each one absolutely necessary for the car as a whole to function -- (engine, transmission, wheels, axle, spark plugs, gas tank, battery, hoses, belts, ignition, alternator, steering wheel, gear shift, accelerator, carburetor, braking system, drive shaft, oil, coolant / anti-freeze, transmission fluid, containers for fluid, radiator, chassis, pistons, nuts, bolts, welded parts, etc.) -- only the existence of an eternal designing force without origin, permeating and communicating through every living cell of existence, possessed of freakish intelligence and power, and far beyond our lowly human "pay grade" to ever fully comprehend, can adequately explain the complex integration of multiple systems that neither Darwin nor his sci-fi cult of diploma-decorated dick-heads have ever been able to, and never will be.

Can you?

1. The 20th Century discovery of DNA codes which program our physical traits makes Darwin's problem of explaining away integrated complexity a million times even more complex. 2. Imagine car parts blindly "evolving" one at a time and "randomly" integrating themselves during a billion-year tornado. That is essentially what "educated" evolutionists, without a shred of observable precedent, believe to have happened in the living world. 3. You may be a whiz at mathematics and rhetoric, professor. But you're as bloody frickin' stupid as you are crazy!

Rob #fundie patheos.com

I noticed a false dichotomy in this article and wanted to challenge it. I don't think you can just dismiss this debate on when so many choose to embrace atheism on the grounds of origins. Creationism is not just the playground for "recalcitrant" fundamentals; but truly something being studied at the physical and cosmological level of Einstein, Hawking, and Sandage. Your article just passes it by as if 7 day creation, 6000 year old earth, etc. etc is all of Creationism. I know you are trying to move on from this debate; but you mislead in your caricature of Creationism. Did God cause beings to appear or did he just deistically set in motion our evolution from soup and microorganisms is a better question to argue over, not at the level you are suggesting where one side are stubborn baffoons and the other side are cool headed intellectuals...much more nuanced and sophisticated than that. Read anything about Michael Behe or Stephen Meyer to get some info on design and origin of life if interested.

Kingfisher #fundie christianchat.forumotion.com

I had an interesting conversation with a friend yesterday. He is a scientist and claims to be a Christian. I have always respected his opinions, but this one seems a little weird. We were have a creation vs. evolution debate. I, of course, claimed evolution is a hoax, but he said that both evolution AND creation can be true. He said that white people were created, and black people evolved. He used some pretty convincing arguments, like facial bone structures, saying that white people look more like Jesus, and black people look more similar to a primate. He also noted group behaviors. On the surface it sounds really racist and I'm strongly against evolution and science, but does my friend have a point?

responsible #fundie blogs.telegraph.co.uk

PM David Cameron is right to refute the Al Campbell 'we do not do God' vote buying arrogance of totalitarian smug smearing neo-Left selfies who strut in not being accountable, and control by smear and innuendo BBC style as they milk taxpayers and others.

There is right and wrong. Not everything is relative to what someone claims to sincerely believe that suits themselves. People are sick of the Dawkins style self asserting self seeking bland smear assertions pretending to be argument about sky fairies from a stance of moral equivalence and dumb relativist opinion as if proof. Physics shows Dawkins' claims are primitive Dan Brown style novelistic rubbish.

The truth is no one knows how the universe or humans began. The true probability of a protein being formed by random chance is so close to nil as to be unseeable. The chance of life creation and evolution as random is like a tornado going through a scrap yard and producing a Massserati. Nil.

So there is a deity as the the world's leading and most notorious atheist Anthony Flew wrote 'There is a God'. After he changed his mind, the shrill self assuring atheistic relativists could only comment 'he was old'! Similar dumb socialistic atheists supported the USSR, and failed completely to notice it collapsed with tragic loss of life and social chaos. Has atheism every had anything except a disaster?

'The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but through every human heart'. Solzhenitzyn wrote after being an atheistic communist Red Army officer and converting to be a Christian.

The pathetic glib claims that wrongs happen and were done by people calling themselves christian, therefore Christians are bad, is like claiming bad actions by lawyers mean the law and lawyers are bad! There is bad, evil exists and people are created free to choose to do it, or struggle against it. Christianity is for each individual heart. Man made institutions, churches and organisations are fallible human efforts. They fail sometimes and face man made law. Individuals are accountable to God, and through Jesus can seek some redemption.

Lance Wallnau #fundie rightwingwatch.org

Right-wing preacher Lance Wallnau posted a video on his Facebook page last night in which he blamed liberals for the death of former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes.

Railing against reports that Fox News host Eric Bolling has been suspended amid allegations that he had sent lewd photos to several female colleagues, Wallnau declared, “I can only take some much before I have a meltdown right there on the air.”

“I am so flipping mad!” Wallnau bellowed. “First, they took down Roger Ailes, the liberals killed him. The devil killed Roger Ailes because they disgraced him with sexual harassment allegations.”

Wallnau said that while “there is not one sexual practice [that secularists are] not advocating for and trying to make a civil right out of,” they hypocritically targeted “poor little Roger Ailes” for destruction simply because he allegedly sexually harassed multiple women at his network.

Wallnau blamed liberals for Ailes’ death, which occurred after he injured his head in a fall shortly after he was ousted from Fox.

“I’m convinced he fell down partially because of stress and the spiritual warfare,” Wallnau said. “Bang, bashes his head, hemorrhages and bleeds, 77 years old, dies of an accident in his own house. But, I’ll tell you, it was liberals who killed him, not the floor; it’s spirits and curses and demons.”

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

When Is a Butterfly Not a Butterfly?

Anyone familiar with the ministry of Answers in Genesis will know that we’ve said many times before that what you believe about the past influences how you interpret the observational evidence we see in the present.

This concept is so important that it’s addressed in the first exhibit inside our Creation Museum. It explains why creationists and evolutionists can look at the same evidence about origins and reach completely different conclusions. So if you start with the belief of slow and gradual change over millions of years, that’s how you will interpret the evidence we can study in the present. But if you start with God’s Word, then you see and interpret the evidence through the lens of Scripture and what it teaches us about history. And you know what? What we see in the present confirms what we read in God’s Word, not man’s made-up evolutionary story about the past.

“Butterfly-Like” Fossil Found

Well, a recent, popular news item provides a vivid reminder of this important principle. This news piece was reporting on Smithsonian scientists’ study of some well-preserved insect fossils. Supposedly, according to the evolution story, these “large butterfly-like insects known as Kalligrammatid lacewings” have been extinct for 120 million years and lived during the so-called Mesozoic Era.

Now, by closely observing these fossils, Smithsonian scientists discovered that these insects had elongated, tubular mouthparts “strikingly similar” to the proboscis of modern butterflies. Based on the presence of carbon in this “food tube,” the scientists concluded that they feasted on “sugary pollen drops” and served as pollinators. These insects also had eyespot patterns that might have contained melanin (pigment) and possibly bright colors and patterns—just like modern butterflies. And they even have fine scales on their wings—just like butterflies do. In fact, these insects seem so similar to butterflies that the researchers concluded that all of these butterfly features evolved twice due to so-called “convergent evolution.” This means that the researchers believe that “two distinct groups of organisms evolve similar traits as they interact to similar features in their environments.”

Evolutionists Refuse to Admit a Butterfly Is a Butterfly

So if they have mouths, feeding tubes, wings, scales, and maybe even pigment just like butterflies, why not call them butterflies? Well, these researchers can’t do that because butterflies supposedly didn’t evolve for another 50 million years! And, according to the evolutionists’ worldview, the plants that butterflies feed from also hadn’t evolved yet. So instead of interpreting these fossils as butterfly fossils and questioning their presuppositions about the evolutionary timeline for butterflies, the scientists call them something entirely different and say that evolution just evolved the same body design and features in strikingly similar ways twice. The verse 2 Peter 3:5 really sums up these scientists: they are “willingly ignorant.”

During my debate with Bill Nye “The Science Guy” two years ago, he implied that there aren’t any fossils out of place in the evolutionary tree and said that, “If you can find just one fossil that has swum between the layers, bring it on! You could change the world!” Well, there are plenty of examples—like these butterfly fossils! But instead of recognizing that they’ve discovered a fossil totally out of order within the evolutionary timeline, the evolutionists either adjust the timeline to make it fit, or they create a whole new species or kind of animal to explain the fossil!

So, it’s not about the evidence—it’s about an interpretation of the evidence! Evolution is just a story, and evolutionists will change the story to fit whatever they find! By the way, God’s Word never changes!

It’s a Worldview Debate

The origins debate isn’t science vs. religion as so many people think it is. It’s one worldview vs. a different worldview; man’s word about the past vs. God’s Word about history. It’s all about an interpretation of the evidence and what you believe about the past, because your belief about the past influences how you interpret the evidence in the present. As Christians, we need to start with God’s Word as we interpret the past. God does not lie (Titus 1:2), and His Word will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8).

Thanks for stopping by and thanks for praying,
Ken

This item was written with the assistance of AiG’s research team.

David Chase Taylor #conspiracy sites.google.com

Unbeknownst to most of humanity, Earth has a second Moon which is covered mostly by water. Modern terms such as “Blue Moon” (i.e., the “Betrayer Moon”), “New Moon” and “North Star” (i.e., Pole Star) originally pertained to this second Moon which was new, blue, and directly north above the North Pole (i.e., Greenland). The notion that Earth has a second moon fits perfectly into the Counter-Earth theory proposed by philosopher Philolaus (c. 470-385 BC) who theorized that all objects in the universe revolve around an unseen "Central Fire", distinct from the Sun which also revolves around it. Because Earth’s second moon is mostly covered in water, it appears on fire when struck by the rays of the sun, especially after the sun is setting on the horizon. While Earth’s second Moon has no official name in the underworld, the Holy Bible, the allegorical and metaphorical history of the Roman Empire, refers to it as “Lucifer” as depicted in Isaiah 14:12 which states in part, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”. Consequently, Lucifer is defined by Strong’s Concordance as the “morning star”, the “light-bearer”, the “shining one,” and the “King of “Babylon”, the former capital of the Roman Empire. The notion that Lucifer and the Moon are indeed one is corroborated by Wikipedia which states that “As an adjective, the Latin word Lucifer meant ‘light-bringing’ and was applied to the moon”. “A Latin Dictionary” (1879) refers to Lucifer as “pars Lunae”, meaning “part of the Moon”, as well as the “fabled son of Aurora”, a direct reference to the Aurora Borealis (i.e., the Northern Lights). Aside from its Biblical connotations, veiled references to Earth’s second Moon are found throughout Etruscan, Greek, Hindu, Old Norse, Proto-Indo-European and Roman religion and mythology, as well in popular culture. Despite overwhelming evidence, the notion that Earth has a second Moon is sheer “lunacy”, a lunar-derived word which is defined as “insanity” or “madness”.

Second Moon in Popular Culture
Aside from the names and terms “Luck”, “Lucky” and “Lucy”, all titular tributes to “Lucifer”, numerous references to Earth’s second Moon are found within popular culture, including but are not limited to: “From the Earth to the Moon” (1865), a novel by Jules Verne which makes a reference to the “discovery” of second Moon by Frédéric Petit in 1846; “I Love Lucy” (1951-1957), a television show that is a titular tribute to Lucifer, the sky-walking second Moon of Earth; “The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet” (1954), a novel by Eleanor Cameron which is set on a tiny, habitable second moon called Basidium in an invisible orbit 50,000 miles (80,000 km) from Earth; “Stowaway to the Mushroom Planet” (1956), a novel by Eleanor Cameron which is set on a tiny, habitable second moon called Basidium in an invisible orbit 50,000 miles (80,000 km) from Earth; “Tom Swift on the Phantom Satellite” (1956), a novel by Tom Swift, Jr. which features a new moon entering Earth’s orbit at 50,000 miles (80,000 km) altitude; “Tom Swift and the Asteroid Pirates” (1963), a novel by Tom Swift, Jr. which features a second moon entitled “Nestria” or “Little Luna” which was originally an asteroid that moved into Earth’s orbit at 50,000 miles (80,000 km) altitude; “Dhalgren” (1975), a novel by Samuel R. Delany which features an Earth which mysteriously acquires a second moon entitled “George”. The cover of Delany’s book features a moon-like planet glowing like the sun; “Star Wars” (1977-2015), a saga which features the planet Tatooine that has two moons. The term “Tatooine” (T+T+N) is coincidentally consonantly the same as “Titan” (T+T+N), the water-based moon of Saturn which appears to be scientific cover for Earth’s second Moon. The scene featuring Luke Skywalker along with two moons in “A New Hope” (1977) remains one of the most famous scenes of the entire Star Wars saga. Luke Skywalker, which is the main character of the saga, is a titular tribute to Lucifer the sky-walking morning star; “The Silmarillion” (1977), a book by J. R. R. Tolkien which features Eärendil the Mariner, a fictional character of Middle-earth (i.e., Greenland), who was a great seafarer who, on his brow, carried the morning star (i.e., Lucifer) across the sky. “Eärendil” means 'Lover of the Sea”, an apparent reference to the oceans of Earth’s second Moon; and “1Q84” (2011), a novel by Haruki Murakami which features two visible moons, one of which is irregularly shaped and green in color.

Second Moon in Mythology
Because virtually all of the world’s respective religions are Greco-Roman in origin (e.g., Catholicism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc.), references to Earth’s second moon are found within most of their respective mythologies. As evidenced, all of the following gods and goddesses affiliated with the “Dawn” exhibit one of more characteristic pertaining to beauty, brightness, color, flying, light or water of some kind (e.g., dew, ocean, sea, spring, etc.). Since a beautiful colored moon or star covered in water is not visibly flying through the skies of the underworld, it must be deduced that the plethora of religious and mythological references are in fact in respect to an unseen object within Earth’s orbit. Consequently, said object must be responsible for the Aurora Borealis (i.e., the Northern Lights), a beautiful colored flying light which appears to be the refection of light off of water. Lastly, the term “dawn” (D+N) acronymically and/or consonantly equates to “Den” or “Day North” as the letter “W” is silent and routinely added only for accent. The term “Den” is a reference to Greenland, the third and final den (home) of the Roman Empire, while the term “Day North” is a reference to the 24/7 daylight found in the north. The never-ending daylight is possible due to Earth’s second moon which refracts the suns light one it has passed gone over the horizon.

Aurora Borealis
The radiance or light of Earth’s second Moon is known as the Aurora Borealis (i.e., the Northern Lights), an array of dancing lights in the sky as if the sun were rising or setting from an unusual direction. This phenomenon is only witnessed in northern regions of the world (e.g., Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Russia, U.S. states which border Canada, etc.). To date, a feasible and believable scientific explanation for the phenomenon has not yet been rendered. Like the Moon of the underworld, Earth’s second Moon moves in tandem with the sun. Consequently, when the sun and the second Moon are aligned, the sun’s light is refracted off the watery surface of the Moon, producing the beautiful Aurora Borealis across the northern face of the Earth. The Northern Lights only occurs after the sun is near or has passed the northern horizon. In other words, it occurs during the evening and at night in Greenland. Coincidentally, an “aureola” or “aureole” is the radiance of luminous cloud which surrounds a figure in paintings and personages. The aureola appears to be indicative of the clouds which surround Earth’s water-covered moon while the halo is in respect to the light which it gives off.

Earth’s Halo
The Northern Lights of Earth’s second Moon are known as the Aurora Borealis which is often symbolized by a halo for it encircles the crest or the “Christ” of the Earth. This is why Jesus is often depicted with a halo around his head for he is symbolic of Greenland which is draped in the light of Earth’s second moon. Consequently, when Jesus is depicted on the Roman Cross, the term “INRI” appears above his head. The letters “INRI” acronymically equate to North Rome”, the location of said halo. The term "Halo" (H+L) acronymically equates to "Forever Lion", a reference to the "Line of Man" (i.e., the 13 Bloodlines of Rome) which live in Greenland. Because the Greco-Romans originated from Greece, a man with a halo is slaying a dragon in the flag of the Greek Sipahis (1431-1619), the flag of Athanasios Diakos (1821-1832), and the war flag of the Hellenic Army. The dragon or “drag on” is symbolic of the never-ending war that the Roman Empire has waged on the underworld since the discovery of Greenland.

The Firmament
According to Genesis in the Holy Bible, the allegorical and metaphorical history book of the Greco-Roman Empire, God created the firmament to separate the "waters above" the earth from those below. Therefore, the term firmament is apparently code word for Earth’s second moon which is covered by oceans. These oceans produce clouds which then descend upon the upper Earth (i.e., Greenland) in a dome-like mist form. This is evidently why depictions of angels in heaven (i.e., Greenland) are always shown to be living upon the clouds. Interestingly, the word "firmament" translates to “Raqia” (R+C/K) and “Raqiya” (R+C/K) in Biblical Hebrew which acronymically and/or consonantly equate to “Rock”, an apparent reference to Greenland, the rock of ages which is located directly underneath the firmament. The connotation of firmness conveyed by the Vulgate's “firmamentum” is consistent with that of “stereoma,” the Greek word used in the Septuagint. The term “Stereoma” (S+T+R+M) acronymically and/or consonantly equate to “State of Rome” which is coincidentally also located underneath the firmament. According to the “Greek Apocalypse of Baruch” (c. 130 AD), the firmament was a great dome-like structure which may be pierced by the gimlet-looking Tower of Babel. Evidently, the clouds from Earth’s second moon hover just a few miles above the Earth’s surface, hence the attempt to breach it prior to the invention of aircraft. The “Jewish Encyclopedia” (c. 1901) describes the firmament by stating that, “The Hebrews regarded the earth as a plain or a hill figured like a hemisphere, swimming on water. Over this is arched the solid vault of heaven.” The earth swimming on water is an apparent reference to Greenland which is an island surrounded by water, while the arched vault of heaven is an apparent reference to the cloud-like mist which encompasses it. The terms “mystical” and “mystery” were evidently derived from this persistent mist that emanates from Earth’s second moon. This notion was corroborated by John Calvin in 1554 who proposed that "firmament" be interpreted as clouds. According to Copernicus' heliocentric model, the firmament was thought to be completely stationary, corroborating other accounts that Earth’s second moon is fixated directly above the Earth. The Flammarion engraving (1888) which mysteriously appeared in Camille Flammarion’s book “L'atmosphère: météorologie populaire” (1888), meaning "The Atmosphere: Popular Meteorology", depicts a traveler who has arrived at the edge of a flat Earth, sticking his head through the firmament. This artwork further suggests that the firmament is not firm or solid per se, but rather a penetrable thick cloud-like mist. The firmament is also depicted as a solid dome that is arched over the earth in both Mesopotamian and Indo-European mythologies, namely creation myths. The Sumerian sky-god An was known to rule the primordial seas above the firmament-like "heavens" which were previously separated from the flat disc of the earth below (i.e., the underworld).

Firmament in the Holy Bible
Because the Firmament is located above the Roman Empire in Greenladn, there are 15 references to firmament in the Holy Bible, the allegorical and metaphorical history book of the Greco-Roman Empire. The term “Firmament” (F/P+R+M+M+T) acronymically and/or consonantly equates to “Fire Mount” or “Fire Mountain”, an apparent reference to Mt. Olympus in Greenland which Earth’s second moon hovers directly over. The number “15” is telling numerologically speaking for it equates to the letter “O” in the Roman-English alphabet, a term used to describe both “All” and “Nothing”. The letter “O” may also be symbolic of wonder (e.g., “oh”) as well as the dome-like mist from Earth’s second moon which encompasses upper Earth (i.e., Greenland).

1. Genesis 1:6: “And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”

2. Genesis 1:7: “And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.”

3. Genesis 1:8: “And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.”

4. Genesis 1:14: “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.”

5. Genesis 1:15: “And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.”

6. Genesis 1:17: “And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.”

7. Genesis 1:20: “And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”

8. Psalm 19:1: “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.”

9. Psalm 150:1: “Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.”

10. Ezekiel 1:22: “And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the color of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.”

11. Ezekiel 1:23: “And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.”

12. Ezekiel 1:25: “And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.”

13. Ezekiel 1:26: “And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.”

14. Ezekiel 10:1: “Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.”

15. Daniel 12:3: “And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”

Second Moon in Holy Bible
Aside from the Firmament, the New Moon , the Pillar of Fire, the Pillar of Cloud, and the Morning Star, all of which are references to Earth’s second moon in the Holy Bible, the allegorical and metaphorical history of the Roman Empire, there are at least three other Biblical passages dealing with Earth’s second moon. Firstly, Joshua 10:12 states, “Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.” The passage is an apparent reference to the sun’s refraction off of Earth’s second moon of water which makes it appear as if the sun is always present. The fact both the sun and the moon are referenced in the same verse is telling. Secondly, Joshua 10:13 states, “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day”. Because Greenland and parts of northern Canada and Russia experience light from the sun via Earth’s second moon, the reference to a stationary sun and moon are confirmation of Earth’s second Moon, albeit in a de facto manner. In other words, the sun is always present because it is either directly shining or is being refracted via the ocean covered moon after it has set. Therefore, the light of the sun is always present via the moon which is stationary in heaven atop the Earth. Thirdly, Isaiah 14:12 states, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”. The light of Lucifer (i.e., the “Morning Star”) falls from heaven down to the ground, an apparent reference the Aurora Borealis (i.e., the Northern Lights) which falls from heaven onto many nations (e.g., Canada, Russia, Iceland, Norway, U.S., etc.). Lastly, Isaiah 30:26 states, "Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound”. The notion that the moon could be as bright as the sun is only possible if the moon is directly reflecting the light of the sun, something only a mirror-like water-covered moon could accomplish. The sevenfold increase in the sun’s light is a reference to the refraction of the sun’s light off the ocean-covered moon which is subsequently projected out 360° via the Aurora Borealis.

Morning Star in Holy Bible
Because the Morning Star is found in Greenland, home of the Greco-Roman Empire, there are 3 references to “Morning Star” in the Holy Bible, the allegorical and metaphorical history book of the Greco-Roman Empire. The number “3” is telling numerologically speaking for it equates to Greenland, the third and final den (home) of the Roman Empire in Greenland.

1. Job 38:7: “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

2. Revelation 2:28: “And I will give him the morning star.”

3. Revelation 22:16: “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”

New Moon in Holy Bible
Because the New Moon is found in Greenland, home of the Greco-Roman Empire, there are 21 references to “New Moon” in the Holy Bible, the allegorical and metaphorical history book of the Greco-Roman Empire. The number “21” is telling numerologically speaking for it equates to the letter “U” in the Roman-English alphabet, a term used to describe all those living outside of Utopia, a “fictional” island society in the Atlantic Ocean which Earth’s second moon resides over. Consequently, the term “New” (N) acronymically equates to “North” as the letter “W” is often silent and added only for accent. Therefore, “New Moon” equates to “North Moon”, the location of where it can be seen.

1. 1 Samuel 20:5: “And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.”

2. 1 Samuel 20:18: “Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the new moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.”

3. 1 Samuel 20:24: “So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.”

4. 2 Kings 4:23: “And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? it is neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, It shall be well.”

5. 1 Chronicles 23:31: “And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the Lord in the sabbaths, in the new moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the Lord.”

6. 2 Chronicles 2:4: “Behold, I build an house to the name of the Lord my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the Lord our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.”

7. 2 Chronicles 8:13: “Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.”

8. 2 Chronicles 31:3: “He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the sabbaths, and for the new moons, and for the set feasts, as it is written in the law of the Lord.”

9. Ezra 3:5: “And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the Lord that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the Lord.”

10. Nehemiah 10:33: “For the shewbread, and for the continual meat offering, and for the continual burnt offering, of the sabbaths, of the new moons, for the set feasts, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God.”

11. Psalm 81:3: “Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.”

12. Isaiah 1:13: “Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.”

13. Isaiah 1:14: “Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.”

14. Isaiah 66:23: “And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

15. Ezekiel 45:17: “And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.”

16. Ezekiel 46:1: “Thus saith the Lord God; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.”

17. Ezekiel 46:3: “Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.”

18. Ezekiel 46:6: “And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.”

19. Hosea 2:11: “I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.”

20. Amos 8:5: “Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?”

21. Colossians 2:16: “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.”

Titan Moon of Saturn
Titan (i.e., “Saturn VI”) is reportedly the largest moon of Saturn. It is the only natural satellite known to have a dense atmosphere, and the only object other than Earth which exhibits evidence of stable bodies of surface liquid (i.e., water). Titan has a diameter roughly 50% larger than Earth’s known moon and has 80% more mass. Titan is allegedly composed of water ice and rocky material and has an atmosphere largely composed of nitrogen. Its climate reportedly includes wind and rain and has surface features similar to those of Earth, such as dunes, rivers, lakes and seas. Titan's methane cycle is admittedly “viewed as an analog to Earth's water cycle, although at a much lower temperature." Although NASA has put a man on the moon (allegedly) and landed on Mars (allegedly), there are mysteriously no clear and concise photographs of Titan in existence. Despite the deployment of the Hubble Telescope and space observations located around the word, no solid evidence of this moon by way of images can be found. Therefore, it appears that Titan is scientific cover for Earth’s second Moon which is located above the Earth in Greenland. After all, Titan exhibits the ocean-covered surface which Earth’s second moon purports to have. Since Saturn is a waterless planet, it’s far more likely that a water-based moon would belong to Earth. Lastly, the logo of the Tennessee Titans football team appears to depict Titan (i.e., Earth second moon). Although mostly blue in color, there are indeed red highlights within the logo which are indicative of the Aurora Borealis (i.e., the Northern Lights).

Aphrodite
Aphrodite is the goddess of the dawn in Greek mythology who is etymologized as "she who shines from the foam [ocean]". Her name was derived from “aphros”, meaning "sea foam", and from “deato”, meaning "to shine" or "she who shines from the foam [ocean]". In Hesiod's “Theogony”, Aphrodite arose from the sea foam after Cronus cut off Uranus's genitals and threw them into the sea, hence her name meaning "foam-arisen". According to legend, Aphrodite then floated ashore via a scallop shell. References to foam are evidently in respect to the watery mist which falls upon Greenland from Earth’s second moon which is covered by oceans of water. Consequently, the epithet “Aphrodite Acidalia” was occasionally added to Aphrodite’s name, after the spring she used for bathing. Aphrodite is also associated with and depicted with the sea, dolphins, swans, clams, scallop shells, and pearls, all of which pertain to water. Although Aphrodite is married, she is one of the few gods in the Greek Pantheon who is frequently unfaithful to her husband. That is because her Northern Lights are shed onto the underworld, in essence cheating on Greenland, her husband. According to myth, due to Aphrodite's immense beauty, Zeus feared that the other gods would become violent with each other in their quest to possess her. This narrative is an apparent reference to the non-stop war the Roman Empire has waged on humanity in order to keep Greenland as well as Aphrodite (i.e., Earth’s second moon) hidden. Consequently, Aphrodite is also known to have extramarital relations with Ares, the Greco-Roman god of war.

Eos
Eos is the Titaness goddess the dawn in Greek mythology who is almost always described with rosy fingers or rosy forearms as she opened the gates of heaven for the sun to rise. Eos is the daughter of Hyperion and Theia and sister of Helios (the sun) and Selene (the moon), "who shine upon all that are on earth and upon the deathless gods who live in the wide heaven.” The reference to “wide heaven” appears to be a veiled reference to the wide continent of Greenland, home to the immortal Greco-Romans. Hesiod states in “Theogony”, “And after these Erigeneia ["Early-born"] bore the star Eosphoros (i.e., "Dawn-bringer"), and the gleaming stars with which heaven is crowned”. This reference is telling for Greenland is considered the Crown of the Earth. Eos is also seen as the mother of all the stars and planets, for her tears are considered to have created the morning dew, personified by Ersa or Herse. Eos’s affiliation with dew is imperative to note because Earth’s second moon is covered by oceans which gave life to the Earth, hence the reference to motherhood. Eos is also known as the bringer of light, the “One Above”, “Who Travels High Above the Earth” and “The Divine”, all characteristics of Earth’s second moon. The Greek poet Quintus Smyrnaeus depicted her radiant horses of Lampus and Phaëton which drew her chariot, climbing the arc of heaven and scattering sparks of fire or the Aurora Borealis (i.e., the Northern Lights). Phaeton is coincidentally also the name of a mythical planet which was allegedly situated between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter whose destruction allegedly led to the formation of the asteroid belt. Eos is also the daughter of Theia. Coincidentally, Theia is also the name of a Mars-sized planet believed to have collided with the Earth roughly 4.5 billion years ago, creating the Moon of the underworld. In the epic Greek poem the “Odyssey”, Eos’ horses are named “Daybright” and “Firebright” and apparent references to the respective brightness of Earth’s second moon. During the day the moon is “Daybright” (blue) while at night the moon is “Firebright” (red and orange). The change in color is evidently due to the light of the sun which is refracted off the moons watery surface when the sun on or past the horizon (i.e., sunset).

Hausos
Hausos is the goddess of the dawn in Proto-Indo-European religion who is personified as a beautiful young woman. The name “h2ews?s” is derived from a root “h2wes” and “au?es” which translates to "shine" or the "the shining one". Hausos is also the goddess of spring who is liberated from prison within the mythology of the Indo-European New Year. Her abduction, imprisonment and subsequent liberation by a heroic dragon-slaying god is a central myth in Indo-European religion that is reflected in numerous traditions. The notion that Hausos is in prison likely stems from the fact that Earth’s second moon is stationary above the Earth. The reference to a dragon slaying god is an apparent reference to G.O.D. (i.e., Greenland of Denmark) who slays the dragon or “drag on” which is symbolic of the never-ending war that the Roman Empire has waged on the underworld since the discovery of Greenland and Earth’s second moon.

[He continues listing "Morning Star" Deities]

Pamela Rae Schuffert #fundie americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.com

MID-SEPTEMBER WARNING FOR ALL CHRISTIANS USA!

MID-SEPTEMBER MARKS THE BEGINNING OF SATANIST STALKING OF VICTIMS FOR HALLOWEEN HUMAN SACRIFICE.

Here are practical protective measures to take to protect yourself and your loved ones from satanist "hunters and huntresses" prowling the neighborhoods of America as they hunt for victims for human sacrifice for HALLOWEEN this year.

They traditionally begin 6 weeks in advance of Halloween, or Samhain.

-Do NOT go hiking alone in desolate or wilderness regions of America. Use the buddy system when camping or hiking in wilderness regions or isolated hiking trails. Take preventative measures: be armed if possible with a firearm (handgun) and bear spray. Try to obtain a satellite cell phone to maintain communications whenever possible.

Former satanists admitted to me they had trained abduction teams planted even in national forests and along well known hiking trails. "We got more victims that way, " one former satanist admitted.

-Do NOT allow your children to walk home in the dark unattended, or to play unattended in parks or playgrounds. Do NOT leave children unattended in malls or shopping locations. Do NOT leave infants in carriers or strollers unattended or unwatched even momentarily. WATCH YOUR CHILDREN!

-NEVER hitchhike! The people who pick you up could be SATANISTS looking for one more victim!

-Do NOT jog on lone country roads or isolated regions. All it takes is 30 seconds for a satanist abduction van to pull up alongside the victim, their trained abduction teams to jump out and seize the hiker/jogger/hitchhiker and drag the victim into the van, inject victim with a knockout drug, duct tape hands and feet and mouth and haul the hapless victim to the location of the ritual to be held.

-BEWARE of vans with blacked out windows on the sides and back, in which you cannot see beyond the driver and passenger seats. In the back may be their trained abduction team ready to seize their next victim. Beware of suspicious vans slowing driving down residential areas, especially in the dark and late at night, as if watching for people walking down the sidewalk.

Rental trucks and camper vehicles can also be used for such purposes as well.

-Satanist tactics and also include slipping knock out drugs into drinks or food at parties. And when targeted victim passes out, they then "assist the person home" and haul them away instead to the place to be held for human sacrifice.

Former satanists I have interviewed admitted to me that stalking victims for human sacrifice on Halloween (30, 31, and November 1) begins mid-September. This means six weeks of satanist prowlers and vans filled with abduction teams, stalking victims in earnest all across our nation.

Always remember that Jesus Christ was manifested to DESTROY the works of the devil. I encourage all Christian readers to enter into powerful spiritual warfare and tear down Satan's strategies for abduction and human sacrifice as this Halloween season and time of spiritual darkness nears.

Thank YOU for taking the time to lift up the Name of Jesus against this darkness, and to pray and to tear down the kingdom of Satan across this nation...and throughout the world as well!

LoneWolf1984 #fundie lonewolf1984.deviantart.com

(Each one ofLoneWolf1984's responses are individual posts one after another instead of altogether)

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[I grew up Catholic, and I used to really believe in, and love Jesus with all my cute little heart.

Then I learned that Dinosaurs were real, and that there's no air inside a fish's stomach for 3 days, and that actual manuscripts from hundreds of independent sources in actual biblical times, don't seem to recall any of it happening, anywhere.

No real proof Jesus was born or ever existed at all, much less whether or not mum was a virgin.

Seems to be astrology based actually. Has to do with stars, and the seasons, and the ancient calender. A circle, with twelve months, and a cross splitting the seasons. Death is the winter, rebirth is the spring.

I do hope reading stuff like that burns your eyes a little. It's not really your eyes, it's your brain choking on Jesus and being rendered unable to process the information.

One last thing, typing in all caps is bad manners on the internet. It's not pantomime for yelling. The first thing people think when they see it, is 'what an asshat'.]

YOU ARE THE WORSE OF THE BAD MANNERS ON THIS SITE.

LESS MY SPIRTUAL EYES ARE OPEN WIDER THAN YOURS.

Jacob wrestle with a Angel.

Those Dinosaurs are the giant versions of the animals of today.

Bob Kearns #fundie news.yahoo.com

DENVER - A homeowners association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan.

Some residents who have complained have children serving in Iraq, said Bob Kearns, president of the Loma Linda Homeowners Association in Pagosa Springs. He said some residents have also believed it was a symbol of Satan. Three or four residents complained, he said.

"Somebody could put up signs that say drop bombs on Iraq. If you let one go up you have to let them all go up," he said in a telephone interview Sunday.

Lisa Jensen said she wasn't thinking of the war when she hung the wreath. She said, "Peace is way bigger than not being at war. This is a spiritual thing." [...]

Kearns ordered the committee to require Jensen to remove the wreath, but members refused after concluding that it was merely a seasonal symbol that didn't say anything. Kearns fired all five committee members.

ronkonkoma #fundie atheistforums.org

Correct me if I'm wrong....

First cause:

We are part of the self-conscious universe. Our brains are the most complex things we know in the universe. We are parts of the universe that probe the universe and are fascinated by it, because being intelligent, we can also sense intelligence when it is there. We are able to create things in the small scheme, and we look for a creator on the grand scheme of things. The Cal Tech supercomputer can now make measurements 10 to the 23rd power. It has been estimated by astronomers that the complexity of the universe in simply balancing gravity against the electric force needs calculations a hundred trillion times more precise. And this is just one aspect of the universe that without which life could never happen.

The Universe had a beginning. It is no longer believed to be infinite. This was shown by the Big Bang theory. Time itself had a beginning (see the "beginning of time"" by Stephen Hawkins). Space, time and matter had a beginning!

This is important to your question because it was a commonly held idea that life initially came about on earth by chance form atoms assembling to form molecules and proteins, cells, to reproducing life by random chance over an infinite amount of time, over an infinite amount of rolls of dice on a seemingly infinite number of earth-like planets. We now know that time is not infinite. And neither is matter. There are very strict requirements for the existence of life in the expanding universe, and our Earth in our 21st century is extremely lucky in that regard. Yes, we are star dust. Flourine in our bodies can only form as dust from a dying star is pulled off by the gravity of a nearby dying star, and a third planet is around to cross the path of this star dust. There are an estimated 41 of fine tuned conditions like these that are needed for life to exist on a planet. A chance in a billion trillions.

This is crucial because, like seeing an exploding grenade and asking, "who pulled the pin?", we are asking, Who or what caused this????

And the answer is, if there is a cause for the Big Bang and the beginning of time, space and matter, and life itself, it is GROSSLY INTELLIGENT.

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Deistic deity.
Since space, matter and time had a beginning, the Cause of it must have existed OUTSIDE of space, matter and time.
So the question, "if God created the universe who created God?" does not apply. That's because something beyond space and time has no need to begin to exist, but is rather in eternal existence.

Hence... we come to theology
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If the material universe has a beginning and is finite and it has a cause, the cause must be immaterial. Hence, theologians have been saying since thousands of years that God is immaterial (God is spirit). And if this Origin of space and time is outside of space and time, it can also be omnipresent.

And a God of Love:
The total mass of the universe acts as a catalyst for nuclear fusion. The more massive the cosmos, the more efficient nuclear fusion. If the Universe is too massive, the basic elements Oxygen, Nitrogen and Carbon could not form. If the Universe was too small, we would be stuck with only Hydrogen. But the Universe is exploding from a miniscule beginnings of an immensely immense mass. The time for life to form is exactly now. Its taken 14 billion years. Now, the exact position and mass of a billion stars allows life to form on this miniscule planet. OUR life. Hence... the Creator is loving since the price He paid for life to form on earth can be seen in the brilliance of a billion stars in the night sky. Just as Abraham gazed at the night sky and conversed with God, leading him out for the Promised Land.

Hence...
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The Abrahamic God out of all the religious texts is the only one that is said to be outside of space and time. The "Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end." We are mostly material beings so we can't even define Him completely. It is He who defines Himself, telling Moses, "I AM WHO I AM".

What's more, Jesus Christ, also said of Himself:
"Truly, truly I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM" (i.e. he is above the limits of time. Those who heard him recognized the blatent message and vowed to kill him for blasphemy. And he walked on water. The message? He is beyond matter.)

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Your particular abrahamic god: Jesus Christ - The God of Love. The one who became one of us, in the greatest event in human history.

your particular denomination's god
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I am Catholic. That means I rely on nature, science, divine revelation and tradition- the experience of scholars and leaders since 2000 years. Combine everything to make a final conclusion. I grew up as a Catholic but it took 33 years to be able to express this huge thing.

And I pray. Prayer is just mindfulness of the presence of the Creator through introspection. Introspection is looking inward, though our inner eyes to our deepest desires and longings. And our deepest core that longs for our Creator.

"Deep is calling on Deep in the churning of the waters. Your waves have swept over me." Psalm 42.

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your personal version of this god: For that I am figuring out who I am, and that will take a lifetime.


Really, really pretty please? ._.

(I realize that the last two may be the same thing depending on the circumstances, so feel free to merge them if you like)

John Chance #fundie enterthejabberwock.com

Who said it is not science? Who appointed you to decide? Darwinism is a “Theory” only, not proven science (missing link found anyone?)

Say it is “not fucking science” is in iteslf a pretty dogmatic and narrow minded statement, one bereft of ignorance.

Sadly, no one on the Evolution side ever wants to debate it. if you do, please contact:

Robert Sungenis
Catholic Apologetics Intl.

He has so far been unsuccessful getting anyone to debate Creationism vs Evolution.

Joel Furches #fundie examiner.com

“If God is real,” asks the Atheist to the Apologist, “then why are we having this debate?” The point being that, if an all-powerful, omnipresent being is real, then his existence should be obvious enough to be beyond debate.

Of course the question could be flipped on its head. The Apologist could ask “If God doesn’t exist, then why are we having this debate,” meaning that if there is no God, then where does the idea of God come from, and why is it so prevalent? After all, people are not natural atheists who, through excessive thinking and study, begrudgingly admit that there may be a God. Rather, they are natural theists who, through a series of mental gymnastics, manage to have reality and morality without a God.

dreamfires #wingnut #quack #conspiracy deviantart.com

Government sponsored health care that is meaningful? Are you kidding? Not one soul in the US government has the foggiest notion of how to effectively apply the concept. I watch in many ways a world gone mad...literally.
All health care as currently envisioned by government is doomed to failure as it is built on premises promoting profit, not potency. They say the stakes could not be higher, that health care costs the economy more than anything else (I thought supporting Israel with gazillions of dollars while the US has crumbling roads costs us more?). But if the stakes are so high, why not get this right once and for all? Imagine the US setting an excellent example for all to follow. People debate passionately socialist vs. capitalist models, while leaving the most important arguments--namely, naturopathic versus allopathic medicine--wholly ignored.
Why? This is just a sick money grab. The pharmaceuticals pay off politicians, financing their campaigns. So guess what? The politicians will help insure health care costs are nuts on drugs. The main elements of cost are all wacko: insurance; drugs; doctors; and big science. US Health Care is now an applauded criminal enterprise. Last I checked, extortion was a crime. And that is what this is. Demand money from the healthy to pay for the less healthy, or punish them if they refuse. Never mind asking them for their best ideas…GIVE US YOUR DAMN MONEY—WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU DO WHAT MUST BE DONE! Right. Insurance? My knowledge is my insurance. I have often said all that insurance insures is that you pay for insurance. For years I watched a richer friend of mine spend at least $50,000 on doctors. Me? Nothing. I have been healthier. I have learned nutrition, detox, acupressure and more. Anyone can, no matter what they say. The best innovators in these areas have been erased from the school system, though their truths remain. Drugs? Not needed. Too many side effects, not the least of which is suicide and school shootings. Cost a fortune--all for no reason. I scoffed recently watching this naltrexone situation. Naltrexone was developed by DuPont long ago. It blocks brain receptors, preventing addiction. So why have you not heard of it? It was too good. Rehab clinics would go out of business. Too much profit lost, so no go. Only allow garbage on the market. But now naltrexone is out on the market again. Why? To stop obesity. Really? And they mix it with a screwup drug with bad side effects? Brilliant! But now they are actually considering spilling the beans and having naltrexone help addicts. Why? All the opioid addiction. Guess after zillions of corpses someone is thinking maybe now we can cash in? Wonderful people in this world.
What is big science? That is when you ignore urine, saliva and hair analysis and do whopper chem tests, x rays, PET scans, tossing in MRIs and other junk to help your doctor buy a yacht.
The biggest costs in health care are problems like heart disease, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer's--and all of these could be wiped out with the slightest effort. Cost mere hundreds of dollars, sometimes less if you are really good. There are about twenty different ways it can be done...but Congress remains silent. Never mind that Gerson testified about nutrition beating cancer before Congress decades ago...no one knows a blessed thing. Never mind that Thompson could testify that vaccine stats are bogus, and that Valentine, Doyle, Bystrianik and others proved vaccines did nothing positive in history--improved water and sanitation deserve all the credit. Just keep killing people--especially blacks, and pocket the change.
Western medicine is a special form of genocide. Why? Because unlike other forms of genocide, the public cheers it on. More than that, if you try to educate someone about vaccines, for example, they will flip out on you. Some even go so far as to insist your unvaccinated kids could sicken the vaccinated ones. But you know what? THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE! Hopefully more will watch VAXXED and read writings like those of Heckenlively in Inoculated.
Even when people sound like they mean well, they are often way off. For years people asked me why I was not shouting about gluten woes. So why did I not jump on the bandwagon and be cool? Because I have learned my lessons, that’s why. Trust nature. I have said it many times: Nature is often slandered by the ignorant and later exonerated by the wise. People insist they cannot drink milk—but give them raw milk from healthy cows—no problem. And now people are squawking about gluten. Yet I just read an article claiming a woman dug more deeply, and guess what she found? People in Europe eat wheat and its gluten and are just fine! How about that? So what was the problem? Roundup. What is Roundup? A freaking pesticide the agrobusinesses love to dump on wheat before harvest. There you go! It is a lesson man is just too stupid to learn. Sling those pesticides and herbicides! Who gives a rat’s ass? What is a little lead, arsenic or mercury? Who cares if it ends up in breast milk? What are you bitching about? You got cheap food, right? Not like we can do any better, right?
Oops! As always, we could have done better. Way better. Julius Hensel showed us exactly how BEFORE THE END OF THE 1800S! When he was silenced, it was a death sentence for millions, not to mention the sheer pitiful plunge in quality of life. All you had to do was grind rock to powder (granite was best) and nourish the soil. That’s it. No need for pesticides, or herbicides. Not even manure (pathogens grow in crap, geniuses!) was needed. We all would have been stronger, healthier, happier. But they squashed Hensel and favored Liebig. Why? Anyone can crush rock and sell it cheap. But sell NPK (nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium) in industrial forms, and you can just sit back and rake in the profits. Never mind the obvious fact that if NPK was as great as its advocates brag, the plants would not need herbicides and pesticides. But they do. The three minerals make plants big, not healthy.
Drugs cannot work with nature. You cannot combine methods. Why not? Because drugs are asinine. Take drugs and they beat up on each other… and then they beat up on your liver, and then on the nutrients in your foods. Many nutrients cannot be absorbed when a person goes on drugs.
Trying to get people shaken out of their arrogance and their brainless celebrations of man’s technology is apparently futile. They now tout genetic engineering. This is also doomed. Create the perfect genes and set your creatures loose in an environment of poisoned air, water and soil and guess what? Everything dies. Every time.
But harmonize with nature, mineralize the plants and positive builds on positive. Poverty and famine disappear. Disease vanishes. Visit my website, polytope.www1.50megs.com and check out the recommended reading. See for yourself. The mainstream media and government sure as hell are not going to tell you anything comprehensive.
Vaccine spread autism is now so insane that in the next decades one in two people may be out of their minds. One in two!
Stop going to town halls and yelling at others to fix your life. Empower yourself and you will be far better off.
Learn while you have the chance.
A mind truly is a terrible thing to waste….

RDK #fundie atheistforums.org

How did things really happen. There was no intelligence in the beginning. No rules to establish the mechanism of life. No parts floating around looking for some useful place to fasten onto. What good would a random strand of DNA do if the directions( which it did not yet have) not appear to direct the construction of something which as of yet did not exist.
Random creation and evolution is one of the biggest lies out there. Don't swallow it.

KerguelenExileDissident #racist thephora.net

In relating to why White Nationalists don't support Israel it goes back to very simple basis. Jews are actively working to destroy their host societies and it would be suicide to support their activities. It is in their very belief system and religion to undermind and dominate other cultures and civilizations, they are tribal and anyone outside the tribe is a mere animal. HOWEVER it is much more complicated than this. Not all "Jews" believe this and while most do, there is always an individual level to look at things. Next remember the debate internally in Judaism, Most Jews in the West are Liberal Reformed Jews (accounting for 60%) of the Jewish population. These Jews are probably most dangerous and destructive not only to Western Civilization but to themselves as in their own ignorance they are hurting Israel by supporting Liberalism at home. Liberal Judaism itself it's roots in the Enlightenment and is very unique within Jewish tradition. Then we have the more conservative Judaism and Orthodox Judaism which while better in terms of society, they still work within their own tribe.

So the direct problem with Judaism is not their genes, their religion, their culture, but rather it is their belief system ingrained in the Talmud which seeks to destroy their host society. I find it amusing that Ethopian Jews often had huge theological clashes with Jews in Modern Israel because these Jews are so ancient they didn't even have the Talmud, which is the source for most extreme anti-gentile beliefs and actions.

In short I would not blame Jews at all, blame your arrogant identity lacking foolish white race for allowing themselves to be duped so easily. I do think however that given the extreme emergency Western Civilization is in, while I think outright support for Judaism is completely suicidal, I do believe that there can be some kind of deal reach within "certain elements" of Judaism. Namely Orthodox or Ultra-Orthodox who reject the Talmudism and adhere strictly to Torah. Those groups out there who finally realize they should help their little goy friends instead of tearing him down, lest they be massacred by marauding hordes of Arabs and Blacks.

Samuel James #fundie patheos.com

[From a "article" about how Christians should be debating with their Atheist friends]

3) Only supernatural theism provides a rational justification of scientific work.

The wording of this point is very important. If we left out the word “rational,” then the statement would actually be false and quite easy to shoot down. You don’t need supernatural theism to be curious, or to want to explore the natural world. But you do need supernatural theism to have a rational justification of science. What does the word rational mean there? It means that scientific inquiry done on the assumption that there is no higher intelligence than evolved human intelligence is making a value judgment that it has no right to make.

Why is knowledge better than ignorance? The atheist would respond that ignorance has less survival value than truth; after all, if you believe wrong things or do not know enough about your environment, you’re less likely to survive and flourish. But this explanation only applies to a very small amount of scientific knowledge. There is little survival value in knowing, for example, the complicated workings of time–space theory, or the genus of certain insects, or the distance of Jupiter from Mars. All of these facts are pursued by scientists as being intrinsically valuable, yet they offer very little information that can help guarantee a species’ continued existence on the planet.

The real explanation is that scientists pursue these facts because there is intrinsic value in knowing what is true about the world, regardless of how much help it gives us. Human beings believe that knowing is better than ignorance because they believe that truth is better than falsity, and light is better than darkness. But where does such a conclusion come from? It does not come from scientific principles. Science itself offers no self-evident account for why it should be pursued. You cannot study science hard enough to understand why you should study science at all. To study science presupposes a valuing of truth that must be experienced outside of scientific study. It is only rational to pursue scientific knowledge that doesn’t offer immediate survival value if there is some external, transcendent value in knowing truth. Theism offers an explanation for why knowing truth is valuable. Scientific atheism does not.

4) Only supernatural theism gives us assurance that real scientific knowledge is possible.

Philosopher Alvin Plantinga is famous for articulating what he calls the “evolutionary argument against naturalism.” The argument is
Alvin Plantinga

Alvin Plantinga

complicated in detail but simple in premise. Plantinga begins by putting two facts alongside each other that nearly all atheists agree on. First, the theory of evolution is true, and humans have descended from lower life forms over time. Secondly, humans are rational beings in a higher degree and superior way to lesser evolved creatures. Plantinga then points our attention towards a tension between these two facts. If human beings are a more evolved species of primate, then our cognitive faculties (ie, the parts of our body and mind that allow us to be rational creatures) have evolved out of lesser cognitive faculties. But, Plantinga says, if God does not exist, then the only factors that affected human evolution are time and chance. Based on time and chance alone, why should we be confident that our rational minds–which are merely the sum of lesser evolved minds plus time and chance–are actually rational at all? What basis do we have to believe our own conclusions? How do we know we are actually capable of knowing truth more than a primate? If the only players in our existence are lesser creatures, time, and chance, how do we know we are even highly evolved at all?

This astute observation was echoed by Thomas Nagel in his recent book Mind and Cosmos. Nagel, an agnostic philosopher from New York University, argues that human comprehension of the universe cannot be explained merely by atheistic evolutionary processes. It makes no sense to assume that humans can really make sense of their world on a conceptual level if human consciousness arose out of the very world it responds to. Nagel agrees with Plantinga that atheistic naturalism cannot explain why human beings can be rational creatures and do rational things that should be trusted.

Scientific knowledge is only possible if things unprovable by science are actually true. If Carl Sagan is correct and the material universe is all there was, is, and ever will be, then science itself is nothing more than a shot in the dark. If, however, human beings are the products of an infinitely greater Mind, then we have justification for believing that true and false are realities and not merely the shadow puppets of our ancestors.

Rev Michael Bresciani #fundie americanprophet.org

Infantophobia and Homophobia - Reality vs. Perception
by Rev Michael Bresciani, April 10, 2010

Infantophobia is a neologistic word whose life expectancy may be no more predictable than the unborn-children it makes reference to but, the word homophobia has a life all of its own, even if in reality it does not deserve one.

Recently attention has been focused on the merging lines of reality and perception in the American psyche. Studies show that those lines are both merging and even blending together in our national life. The effects of Hollywood films, TV, gaming, the internet and fictional literature have left some Americans in a hazy middle of the road lurch where reality and perception have overlapped and, in some cases perception has fully overtaken reality.

One study showed that for millions of Americans their knowledge of a historical event is so colored by Hollywood that they would discard the history they learned in classrooms and substitute it completely with an altered Hollywood version of the same event.

The effect of TV is even greater. Entire political preferences and moral stands are often derived from the tube and the prevailing wisdom of the day is reflected in the common verbiage of a nation that seems to have no other underpinnings on which to stand. If we are what we eat then we are also what we have been feeding our brains.

In an online video presentation of Michele Obama speaking to the LBGT (Lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender) she used the word homophobia to describe anyone's resistance to the general acceptance of any and all of these sexual preferences.

Michele is reinforcing the idea that some untold number of Americans are cringing and trembling in mortal fear of the neighborhood going to pieces because of the un-closeting of the new hordes of emerging homosexuals. Here is where a better definition is needed and where perception should be given a jolt of reality.

Even if, as President Obama has said Americans are, "clinging to their Bibles" and using quotes from an "obscure passage," the use of the word homophobia is hardly appropriate. The indiscriminate use of this word has long since passed out of the realm of reality and is now enjoying its debut in the fantasy world of hyperbole and perception.

The word, homophobia, has already become the dusty and faded bulb we pull out year after year to hang on the Christmas tree; it is no longer a real fruit growing from a real tree planted by any national emerging social trend.

Oddly the passage many are said to be referring to is not obscure but is 30 years newer than the gospels themselves and was penned by the Apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans. Paul wrote, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient." (Ro 1:26-28)

In spite of this passage it is very hard to find anyone who actually has passed from acquiescence to this verse on to hatred of homosexuals. Since I rarely quote myself and risk crossing the fragile line between journalistic license and pure narcissism I think it is safe to remind my readers of something I've previously written.

In an article entitled The PC Wars of 2010 and Beyond - Spiritual wickedness in high places, I said "In over forty years of discussion with Christians about homosexuals I have never met one single person who said they were afraid of homosexuals. It is that fact that drove me to search for the root cause of the entire debate between the gays and the church."

I didn't include the fact that in that same forty year period I met countless homosexuals that do suffer from theophobia or Christophobia. They are not always afraid of God but rather they fear that Paul and others who are said to have spoken in God's stead were correct and that God meant exactly what he said. They respond to this fear by arguing against the plenary verbal inspiration of scriptures; even though most of them don't even know what this terminology means.

God doesn't have an opinion on anything but he does establish laws that will not be changed by anyone's opinion or dis-belief; be it the LBGT or Michele Obama. The best they can do is to raise the same question that the arch deceiver raised in the Garden of Eden and proposed to Eve which was, "hath God said?" (Ge 3:1) Nothing new here.

The root cause of infantophobia can be easily ascertained by looking at the reams of statistical materials that are readily available since the inception of the 1973 Supreme Court ruling of Roe v Wade. It is not for reasons of incest, birth defects or rape that most women seek an abortion but according to every major study it is the fear that they will not be able to support a child.

Women are afraid that they will not get an education and be denied job opportunities and that an unwanted child would compromise their future chances at getting anywhere above the poverty level in life. The key word here is fear, is there a phobia for this kind of fear? Wait a while; the PC doctors will have one in due season. In the meantime didn't we all assume that the phrase "land of the free and home of the brave" included our women? If ignoring fear is what makes greatness, heroes and amazing Americans then what does a long list of phobias make?

In the search for the root cause of infantophobia one fact consistently rears its ugly head. When encountered, it stifles the search for any further answers. It is such a staggering revelation that it makes the difference between the perceived problems of homophobia look like extraneous nonsense when compared to the realities of this scourge known as abortion.

What is that fact? It is the comparison between the actual real-time results and the disparity that exists between homophobia and infantophobia. The 2007 FBI statistics on "hate crimes" said that gays were called names 335 times; they were shoved or pushed 448 times and were done bodily harm 242 times. This is exactly 1025 times too many for anyone and there is no excuse for it but let's not stop there, let's go on to the comparison and the important question it raises.

Infantophobia resulted in the deaths of 50,000,000 unborn babies in America since 1973. That's fifty million in case you have trouble with commas and zeroes. That is about 4,000 (four thousand) per day on average. Exactly which phobia would you say is costing more?

Did you miss the question? Let me repeat it. "Exactly which phobia would you say is costing more?"

I won't appendage this piece with my usual scriptural selection but rather, I will resort to the language of children, at least those who were allowed citizenship. Phobia-Schmobia: grow up America and return to your senses!

Scott Lively #fundie scottlively.net

So here’s the moment of truth for pro-family analysts and advocates. Do you really grasp the extent to which LGBT leaders and activists will go to serve their own interests? You’ve seen what they do at the street level, against Christian businesses, etc. What would that deviltry look like on an international level, if, say, the President of the United States were a “gay” activist?

In August of 2013 I sent a open letter to President Putin, thanking him for signing the anti-propaganda law. In it I warned him “not to assume that you have fully solved the problem by the enactment of this law. The battle to protect your society from homosexualization has only just begun, and you may be surprised to discover in the coming months and years just how aggressively many world leaders will work to try to intimidate and coerce you to capitulate to homosexualist demands.” http://www.scottlively.net/2013/08/30/an-open-letter-to-president-vladimir-putin/

Regardless of where one stands on Ukraine or Vladimir Putin, just for a moment consider where the pro-family movement would be if it hadn’t been for the Ukraine coup. Russia would still be (relatively speaking) a respected member of the international community offering an alternative, genuinely pro-family model for social policy. There would likely be at least a half-dozen nations which would have adopted the anti-propaganda law for themselves (with many more considering it) and there would be a healthy international debate raging on pro-family vs LGBT visions for the future. I believe the tide would probably have begun to turn in our favor, at least on the global scene, if not yet in the US or EU.

Is it really so far-fetched to believe that morally wicked, Imperialistic, Alinsky-ite Obama (credibly alleged to be a homosexual himself) started the Ukrainian civil war to punish Russia for opposing the “core value” of America, the priority of his State Department? Or (more importantly to the “gays”) to prevent the Russians from leading a pro-family counter-revolution in the world?

Are you as a pro-family conservative really going to accept the word of Barack Obama, John McCain and the mainstream media that Russia is the bad guy in this story? If you do, you really don’t know your enemy — and I’m not talking about Putin.

Next time you hear the implication that Russia has created “a climate of hate and fear” in Ukraine, Russia or anywhere else, just remember whose go-to strategy this is for smearing its opponents and how deeply they are entrenched in the media, the White House and now the GOP establishment as well.

Designed #fundie freerepublic.com


All of this may not matter much to you, but I have two earned degrees, one in biology and chemistry, and the other a DDS. I have INTENSELY studied the evolution-creation debate for about 35 years, and have read something like 250 books on both sides of the issue. I have come to the studied conclusion that evolution is junk science, sort of like man-made global warming. We have been told so many thousands of times, for so many years, that evolution is a fact. As a result many people who are basically uninformed have been brainwashed. You might look at some of the articles and archives at the Discovery Institute. You might want to read some of the offerings by Michael Denton. By the way, Dr. Ken Ham of the creation museum is INCREDIBLY well-informed.

diggerfortruth #fundie #conspiracy #racist diggerfortruth.wordpress.com

10 Reasons why Hitler was one of the Good Guys
Initially I had intended creating a piece titled “10 Myths about Hitler” but decided that there were so many, that I switched topic slightly. I understand like most of my work, these areas outlined only give a flavor and are not conclusively resourced. But that’s OK. It’s a carrot and hopefully just enough for people (even skeptics) to do their own research on these controversial areas. When people find things out for themselves, this has much more substance. All these areas are verifiable. They just take a bit of objective, independent research. There are links at the bottom of the page to help one’s research.

1/. He never wanted to kill any Jews Whenever you hear anyone espouse (repeat) the lies about Hitler the nasty Jew-killer. Please always make a point of asking this very simple question: “Where did you get that information from?” Perhaps we all at some point have repeated this fable. Why would we not, when it’s shoved down our throats 24/7, year in year out for decades(?) There hasn’t been a man on this planet who has been demonized as much as Herr Hitler. If Hitler wanted to kill Jews, why oh why throughout all his speeches and manuscripts and his book Mein Kampf did he not mention this? Did he just forget? No, he didn’t say or write it BECAUSE HE HAD NO INTENTION OF KILLING THE JEWS. No matter what amount of destruction he had observed done by the Jews to his people; he had enough self-discipline and ethical code not to take revenge. Being a strong character, he was able to rise above the darkness, the demonic standards of the judaic mindset and show self-restraint and humility. That is why he created ‘containment work camps’ for the Jews and certainly NOT death camps. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

2/. He cared about conditions for the Jews in the work camps Unbeknown to billions of people the Nazi camps were not death camps, nor were they places to carry out human experiments. They were simply containment camps. Something had to be done with these destructive anti-social Jews who were strangling Germany. Thanks to the Jews, Germany had lost it’s moral code and had become debased and de-cultured ….does that ring a bell? Something had to be done! And Hitler did do something – he placed all the Jews in containment camps to allow Germany to breath again. But – this is the key point in this essay/piece. He did it in a way which was ethical. The camps had decent sufficient food (bearing in mind it was war time), they had theaters, swimming pools, football pitches, post offices where inmates could communicate to the outside world, kindergartens, art and music recreation and even prostitutes. Quality sanitation within the camps was paramount and that is why the inmates clothes were regularly de-loused with zyclon B gas. There were no human gas chambers……THAT IS A BIG FAT KOSHER LIE; to which the world has had to endure for over half a century. My theory is that if there had not have been a war effort, Hitler would not have even made the Jews work. AND I bet you the containment camps would have been luxury rehabilitation centers. In order to slowly de-programme the Jews from their mind control cult. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

3/. He had compassion for other sentient beings Many historians claim he was a vegetarian. I believe this is kind of true, he was a pescotarian (he occasionally ate fish); but whether this it is or not, the point is he had a clear connection and affection for his fellow creatures. I’m not suggesting just because he may have been a veggie that therefore he was a good person; but this was a man of compassion and that he recognised the importance of compassion in society. He had so much affection for his German shepherds (picture above with his beloved dog). He banned all animal experimentation, recocnizing it to be evil. Hitler could see the connection between all life forms. It was his level of consciousness. Respect for nature, animals and human life. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

4/. He tried to prevent the destruction of his fellow Europeans Numerous occasions Hitler tried to warn and assist his fellow brethren about the Jewish trap they had fallen for and who really was behind all the warmonger. He dropped fliers from planes trying in vein to prevent Germany and Britain fighting. He initially wanted to make alliances with Britain. Many occasions he gave opportunities to opposing European forces, where he could have slaughtered them. It was his internal spiritual angst for him to be fighting (defending) amongst his European brothers and sisters. He did all he could to avoid war, he was not the warmonger we all have been led to believe. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

5/. He cared passionately about his people and German heritage Hitler observed the degrading machinations of the Jews in Austria and Germany. It not only disgusted and angered him, but saddened him to see how these two nations were being destroyed from the inside out like a cancer – a cancer that his sleepy folksmen could not see. The exact same angst those of us who are Jew-conscious find ourselves in. He was a man who cared about society, a man who cared about culture, who cared about nature, about moral values and about building and improving as opposed to destroying and degrading. He was a man who had fought for his country, in the trenches and been hospitalized for his country. How many of our sell out politicians today can claim that? He was a true spokesman of the people, for the people who had diligently worked his way up from grass roots. From microcosmic pep talks to his fellow workman on building sites, to talks in beer houses, to speeches in basements, to town halls. As well as all the behind-the-scenes work and risks. Slung in jail, mocked and defamed. Endless tireless work to resolve the destruction of his peoples. I would also strongly suggest he cared about all peoples. Yes, including black people, despite the kosher myth he was a supremacist racist. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

6/. He was a humble man, from a humble background Can any of us name one present western politician who can claim that these days? No, today they’re all criminals, fed through the kosher criminal system. All built on materialistic gain and kudos. All content with serving the beast for their demonic and self-serving interests. Their greed and hubris having no boundaries. Hitler worked on building sites as a laborer for crying out loud. How many of these leaches under the guise of politicians do you know have that background? He was also a humble street artist, barely scraping a living together. Some days he had to decide whether to spend his meager earnings on a political book, or to eat – he opted for the former. Now that is passion in politics and a drive for social reform. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

7/. He held correspondence with Mahatma Gandhi This alone doesn’t necessarily suggest he was a good person. But more that Gandhi and Hitler were in alignment on many issues. They both recognized the evil force they were up against and both were coming from a humanitarian position. The bottom line is Gandhi would not have corresponded with a so-called evil mad dictator hell bent on wanting to kill the Jews and rule the world. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

8/. He was a man of God Hitler was NOT an atheist – despite what the Jewish propaganda machine wants us to believe. He often made references to God and spoke in terms of a Divinity. He was somebody who could clearly make the connection between Divine law and Natural laws. He was spiritually and morally driven throughout all his political career. Read his book Mein Kampf to see his consistent reference to Christian values.
tk

Because he was one of the good guys.

9/. He implemented cultural and social reform Throughout Hitler’s political career, his common theme was about ‘cleaning up’. He had seen the filth the Jews had created and desperately wanted Germany to reverse these degrading trends. He banned supermarkets, because he wanted local small businesses to prosper. He banned degrading modern art, as he recognised it for what it was. He banned vivisection (animal experiments), because in his wisdom he could see how futile and unnecessary they were. He encouraged healthy youth activities and social programmes to enhance cultural pride and individual self worth, such as sports and recreational activities. He encouraged men to be men and women to be feminine. He helped develop beauty, cleanliness and pride back into the Germany people. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

10/. He stamped on usury This subject links in most of the points in this list and what Hitler achieved as a leader. But I thought it was essential that this topic was highlighted in isolation, as it was probably the single most important act of bravery and compassion Hitler offered to his people. Unfortunately this act alone was enough to piss off the Jewish IMF and therefore create WW2. Usury is the elite Jews most powerful and demonic weapon amongst their whole armament of destructive weapons. More powerful than their poisons and even their mind control techniques. Because it’s their use of compound interest that enables them to create a stranglehold on every industry and therefore every level of society. Nobody can escape usury – everybody is infected by it. That is why Hitler created his own independent currency as a first move when he came to power. And hey presto – that is why Germany was able to get back on it’s feet and flourish as all nations should. Hitler recognised the judaic invention of usury as unlawful, ungodly and unnatural – and as a talmudic curse which has crippled every host nation the Jews have entered into and ultimately, that which brings about their demise. Hitler freed his people of this curse. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

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In conclusion Hitler was probably the hero of the second world war and the 21st century. A man of ethical courage, a man of spiritual perception and good intent. A spiritual soul who cared – cared about all life forms, all cultures, about goodness and Light and ultimately about Truth. k

Because he was one of the good guys.

Summary

1/. He never wanted to kill any Jews
2/. He cared about conditions for the Jews in the work camps
3/. He had compassion for other sentient beings
4/. He tried to prevent the destruction of his fellow Europeans
5/. He cared passionately about his people and German heritage
6/. He was a humble man, from a humble background
7/. He held correspondence with Mahatma Gandhi
8/. He was a man of God
9/. He implemented cultural and social reform
10/. He stamped on usury

Related info

Video of Gandhi’s correspondence to Hitler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49p-mdnX_0

Film on Hitler (which is not told in the Jewish main stream outlets) http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/

More info on Hitler – I do not agree on the Rence video/interview that Hitler went to Argentina. This is more dis-info/confusion. http://xavianthaze.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/the-unknown-hitler-10-ironic-facts.html kk

Mein Kampf May I suggest when reading it, digest it slowly. It needs concentration and is certainly not a casual weekend read. http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/ k

Deanna Spingola’s amazing comprehensive research Predominantly on WW1 and WW2. Deanna is a historian of Truth. She is passionate about these areas; it really is her forte. We are so grateful for her consistent efforts. http://spingola.com/ k

CODOH http://codoh.com/ kSite exposing the holohoax swindle.

Audio of a debate/discussion with John Friend and Jim Condit on Adolf Hitler http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/4/276/show_4276967.mp3 k

Jusury

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT0grvk16NI&feature=player_embedded http://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/michael-hoffmans-online-revisionist.html
“Once again the conspiracy of pitiful, corrupt political creatures and financial magnets made its appearance for whom war is welcome to bolster business. The international Jewish poison of the peoples began to agitate and to corrode healthy minds. Men of letters sent out to portray decent men who desired peace calling them weaklings and traitors to denounce opposition parties as a “fifth column” in order to eliminate internal resistance to their criminal policy of war”
Adolf Hitler
Hitler’s Peace Plans
Compiled by Mark R. Elsis
http://spingola.com/hitlerspeaceplans2.html
Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess
A Courageous Hero For Peace
by Mark R. Elsis
http://RudolfHess.net
Holocaust Revisionism
by Mark R. Elsis
http://HolocaustRevisionism.com

JewishbyChoice #fundie rr-bb.com

I am so disgusted with Barry Soteoro, beyond mere words. He's a phantom that has a very dark kingdom's power working in and through him...no doubt in my spirit about that fact. But this is the hard pill to swallow...my once beloved country must be sooooo very evil and fallen that we inherited this wicked leader to take this land into the most wretched time ever. Because no one will debate that our God is Omnipotent and nothing...I repeat nothing happens without His Permission. And leaders are only in positions of power because our God allows it. So, let's see...we have a man who's real name is Barry Soteoro but decided to go by an openly Islamic sounding name "Barack Hussein Obama" and has the crust to not allow his background to be viewed after all the outcry to see who he really is. Wow...just think about that!!! We went through the horrors of 9/11 and now have a President who sympathizes with Islam over any other religion. So, do we deserve this imposter? Or are we an innocent nation that is a victim of circumstances? Instead of bellyaching about this demonically inspired man...why not really get serious about the real weapons of our warfare??? The devil and his demons hate when the Saints get to praying...real praying. The devil knows that prayer is the only effective weapon we can use against him...but we're neutralized and caught up in the physical world. Get mad enough to pray without ceasing! Where are the real men of God, that can call the people to corporate prayer. We're such a toothless church against the devil's schemes. It's sad.

Michael Snyder #fundie thetruthwins.com

The theory of evolution is false. It is simply not true. Actually, it is just a fairy tale for adults based on ancient pagan religious philosophy that hundreds of millions of people around the world choose to believe with blind faith. When asked to produce evidence for the theory of evolution, most adults in the western world come up totally blank. When pressed, most people will mumble something about how “most scientists believe it” and how that is good enough for them. This kind of anti-intellectualism even runs rampant on our college campuses. If you doubt this, just go to a college campus some time and start asking students why they believe in evolution. Very few of them will actually be able to give you any real reasons why they believe it.

Most of them just have blind faith in the priest class in our society (“the scientists”). But is what our priest class telling us actually true? When Charles Darwin popularized the theory of evolution, he didn’t actually have any evidence that it was true. And since then the missing evidence has still not materialized. Most Americans would be absolutely shocked to learn that most of what is taught as “truth” about evolution is actually the product of the overactive imaginations of members of the scientific community. They so badly want to believe that it is true that they will go to extraordinary lengths to defend their fairy tale. They keep insisting that the theory of evolution has been “proven” and that it is beyond debate. Meanwhile, most average people are intimidated into accepting the “truth” about evolution because they don’t want to appear to be “stupid” to everyone else.

(...)

In order to believe the theory of evolution, you must have enough blind faith to believe that life just popped into existence from nonlife, and that such life just happened to have the ability to take in the nourishment it needed, to expel waste, and to reproduce itself, all the while having everything it needed to survive in the environment in which it suddenly found itself. Do you have that much blind faith?

For years, I have been looking for someone that can explain to me the very best evidence for the theory of evolution in a systematic way. My challenge has been for someone to lay out for me a basic outline of the facts that “prove” that evolution is true.

Perhaps you believe that you are up to the challenge.

I’ll even get you started…

If you think that you can prove that evolution is true, please leave a comment below with your best shot.

Or if you would like to discuss additional evidence for why you believe that the theory of evolution is false, please feel free to share it by posting a comment below.

Bert Thompson, Ph.D. #fundie apologeticspress.org

(a long-ass rant so I'll cut it short)

The attack is on. It’s not the first time. And if history teaches us anything, it will not be the last. Evolutionists are mad. But they do not intend to just “get angry”; they intend to “get even.” The walls of their Neo-Darwinian Jericho are crumbling around them. They know it. They’ve known it for a long, long time. The problem is, now other people are figuring it out as well. A lot of other people! The time to act has come. Take off the gloves. Get down. Get mean. Get dirty. Win—at all cost!

Creationism has been making far too much headway, in far too many places—with far too much favorable publicity. Sound the battle call. Rally the troops. Call out the reserves. Enlist the allies. Engage the enemy. Press forward. Refuse to retreat!

( *snip* )

Now comes John Rennie, the editor of Scientific American, to enter the fray. In the July 2002 issue, Mr. Rennie penned an article titled “15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense” in which he caricatured creationism, while feebly attempting to bolster the increasingly faltering theory of organic evolution. Joining Mr. Rennie is Thomas Hayden, a staff writer for U.S. News & World Report who authored the cover story of the magazine’s July 29, 2002 issue (“A Theory Evolves”)—a feature plainly intended to “strike back” at creationists, as Hayden made clear when he echoed the evolutionists’ party line: “The evidence against evolution amounts to little more than ‘I can’t imagine it.’ That’s not evidence. That’s just giving up”

Well, gentlemen, I have news for you. We are not giving up! You have thrown down the gauntlet; we will not hesitate to pick it up. You have drawn the line in the sand; we will not shrink from crossing it. Your bullying tactics and name calling may intimidate some and impress others. It accomplishes neither with us. We know what you are trying to do, and we know why you are trying to do it. We know about your “hidden agenda.”

Remnant of God #fundie remnantofgod.org


Yiannopoulos Could Be Fired by Breitbart Over Pedophilia Comments

"According to the financial network “there is a fierce internal debate at Breitbart over whether he should remain with the website over his latest comments,” with some at the right-wing site telling Fox News that Yiannopoulos could be dismissed as early as end of the day Monday. Yiannopoulos was disinvited from Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) on Monday after a video of him talking about pedophilia resurfaced over the weekend. In it, Yiannopoulos can be heard saying that some relationships between adults and 13-year-olds are consensual and joking that his own experience as a victim of molestation made him good at …." –Source

All I see here is yet another homosexual being used by Satan to further the Vatican's homosexual/pro-child molestation agenda so as to help them normalize it as well as lower the dollar mounts on their astronomical amount of lawsuits. It is also apparent, as students of prophecy predicted, that pedophilia would be pushed in the media as soon as other perverted lifestyles were normalized. And just as expected we saw Hollywood and the US Courts pushing polygamy using the same methods they used to normalize homosexuality so as to bring that to a place of normality that led to the legalization of homosexual marriage which is a MAJOR sign of the end.

So be it! It's not like we didn't see this coming. But it still amazes me how easily Satan can use people in the main stream as willing an obedient pawns. Just as we saw for decades with strange innuendos being dropped in all the sitcoms, news reports and big screen movies; some people were moved by their dying god to sacrifice their careers simply because the timing was a bit off on their statements regarding pedophilia. Like this guy Milo, they thought their popularity made them immune to any backlash and so they were used by the demons directing their every move to test the waters to see how ready the American people were towards a pedophile mindset. While at the same time, allowed even more seeds of perverted decadence to spew out there knowing it will eventually hit some well fertilized sewage in the hearts of millions so as to assure someone else will eventually step up like Milo here to claim molesting an innocent little boy in the hopes of indoctrinating him into a homosexual lifestyle is not only moral, it should be legalized so as to assure the homosexual people continue to flourish. I mean, after all, homosexuals cannot have children. They can only exploit them. And so in their twisted reality they believe they must.

Scott1 #fundie puritanboard.com

A huge topic and lots of pre-suppositions and assumptions are made in these kinds of discussions. Also, not having formal theological training, my response is more limited.

First of all, in reality, anything the God of Heaven, our Creator, sustainer and governor of His universe does is not up to the subjective character evaluation of His creatures. He isn't to be compared with false religions imagined by some of His rebellious, fallen creatures. If we don't start with that, the discussion cannot be congruent.

If man's intellect is the center of all things, such an evaluation cannot be congruent.

The starting point really is the sovereignty of God (versus the sovereignty of man).

If man's mind is at the center, God will be judged "unfair" by lesser evaluation of man's ego. (This is why the "five points" or "doctrines of grace" are a wise point to draw out, explain, debate, and discuss with both believers and nonbelievers alike. God really likes it when we "get it" that we are not really the center and measure of all things. That's where Christian growth really begins).

The sixth commandment, "do not kill" is in words that are more carefully understood as "thou shalt not murder." Nations engaging in war are obviously not in view here (otherwise God would not have commanded Israel into battle so many times).

Self defense is a biblical concept that we could draw out here. In no sense (despite the wicked imaginations of the killers, liars, God mockers who planned 9/11) was their attack self defense. A good case can be made it was not even in accord with their own religion.

In the end, there is something that we, as fallen, self-centered human beings do not want to accept. It is very understandable in light of what God has revealed to us about our nature, through Scripture. We do not believe has a right to do with us, as His created beings as He sees fit. That bothers us...

Whether it is God Almighty's right to reserve a sabbath day unto himself for us to worship,

Reserve a portion of our material income to give back to Him as offerings,

Or His right to give or take life as He alone pleases.

CB_Brooklyn #conspiracy checktheevidence.co.uk

Imagine utilizing free energy technology in daily life. No more petroleum-based fuels; no more outrageous oil and gas prices. Humanity would definitely benefit from this. The technology for water powered cars has been in the news, such as in this NBC-affiliate clip. This FOX-affiliate clip reveals the development of this technology for the military. From the FOX clip we learn that Radio Frequencies are key to this technology. As you read further you’ll discover another building block of free energy: Tesla Coils. So why are these technologies suppressed? Basic Answer: Control.

The Global Elite plan a New World Order with an enslaved “police state” culture. How might this be done? One way is the Patriot Act. Another could be the 800 FEMA detention camps fully constructed, staffed, and awaiting prisoners. What else might they do? They could slow the economy. Control over oil and gas makes accomplishing this easy. All they have to do is notch those prices up little by little, and the average citizen gets poorer and poorer. Not only do these increases affect the gas pump and home boiler, they affect food manufacturing plants, public water supplies, and other necessities as well. Raising oil/gas prices is the Global Elite’s way of destroying our way of life.

But they can’t raise prices without a reason, so they concocted one: Peak Oil. That way, people assume the increased costs and fuel limits are natural with no way around it. But Peak Oil is a hoax. In the 1970s, a huge oil field was discovered in Alaska that could fuel the United States for 200 years, but its existence has been classified. Those is power have planned their New World Order for some time, and didn’t want an Alaskan field getting in the way. Instead, they approached the Saudi’s for an “oil deal”, a way of ripping them off and entrapping the United States. Information regarding this is linked later in this article; much from a video presentation by Lindsey Williams, a former “insider” turned whistleblower.

It is all too common for those in control to suppress and weaponize new technologies.

Suppression can be accomplished simply by spreading choice phrases such as “raygun nutcase”. Even the production of sci-fi TV/movies helps associate these weapons with “science fiction”. As one example, the body cloak technology portrayed in the film “Predator” is very real, and was reported in Time and WIRED magazines. It is pretty well known that these technological advances are light years ahead of what is publicly admitted. This technology is far from sci-fi and has existed for many decades.

The first microwave oven was built in 1947 by Raytheon, a major defense contractor. What advances could they have made in the past sixty years? A look at the documentary “Star Wars in Iraq” reveals weaponry based on these technologies. So what’s “crazy” about it? What would people sixty years ago have said about cell phones? “Wacky”?? How about The Wizard of Oz on an ultra-thin shiny little disc? ”Nutjob”?? What about embedding spy chips on insects? ”Insane”?? Technology has come a long way in the last 100 years.

The first major free energy scientist, Nikola Tesla, knew the direction his research would someday take. In 1915 he said “I have not thought it hazardous to predict, that wars in the future will be waged by electrical means”. The Star Wars in Iraq video proves him right.

Of course, the Global Elite need the public at large to consider free-energy “crazy”. They want this “black op” technology as their secret weapon to use against us and they attack those who speak up. One example is well known pioneer of free energy research, John Hutchison. After he and Dr Judy Wood publicized their paper “Anomalies at the WTC and the Hutchison Effect”, Hutchison ran into problems with the Canadian authorities. Another is Dr Eugene Mallove who, after writing an open letter to the world requesting free energy research funds, was killed. This “2005 Cold Fusion Colloquium” at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology had a special tribute to Dr Mallove. A number of mysterious deaths are connected to free energy suppression.

9/11 Truth is an extremely important issue and only those who really care are ever involved. But 9/11 is just one of the issues that absolutely need attention. Other issues are equally as important. One thing the Global Elite do not want revealed is the existence of free-energy technology. This technology has the capability of revolutionizing the world by removing oil/gas as main sources of fuel, but instead has been weaponized and used against us. Directed energy weapons and weather control are among the dangers we now face.

**Might this technology have been used on 9/11? What if the “truth movement” was steered by those affiliated with free energy technologies, including those who discredited it decades past? What if pictorial evidence shows resemblance to the Hutchison Effect? Would this be worth exposing?

**Might this technology have directed recent weather-related events towards populated areas? Have powerful hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, cyclones, and volcanic eruptions shown an increase lately? What if hurricanes and tornadoes have natural characteristics of the Hutchison Effect? Would this be worth exposing?

Not many know that a major hurricane - Hurricane Erin - was in the Atlantic Ocean in September of 2001. In fact, Erin was closest to NYC, and at its largest size, on 9/11 itself. But the TV news networks had little reporting on this hurricane. Contrary to Erin, however, 2005’s Hurricane Katrina had virtually 24 hour coverage, even before it hit land. Interestingly, the National Hurricane Center projected Erin to be stronger than it projected Katrina to be four years later. So why didn’t the media cover Erin, say, on September 10, when its speeds clocked Category 3 status? Shouldn’t they have prepared the upper-east coast for this major storm?

This NASA photo taken on 9/11 reveals the proximity between Erin and New York. Weather reports at JFK Airport indicated rain! This animated graphic shows how, the day after 9/11, Erin made a sharp right-hand turn (over 90°) away from NYC and back out to the Atlantic. (Note the previous graphic displays only the location of the eye of the storm. See this photo for Erin’s full humongous size.) An astronaut in the International Space Station commented on the WTC smoke plume, but made no mention of the monstrous hurricane next to it. How come? Those interested in learning the secret between hurricanes and Tesla Coils should see Dr Judy Wood’s new paper “9/11 Weather Anomalies and Field Effects”. She presents evidence suggesting Erin was part of the mechanism used to turn the Twin Towers to dust. The paper is chock full of photos and analysis and is highly recommended.

Those who control the energy control the world.As prices for oil, gas, food and other types of energy go higher and higher, one must ask themselves what they are to do. What holds for the future?Did Bush do 9/11? Or was it Clinton? 9/11 was orchestrated by those affiliated with energy companies. The “truth movement” should not involve the “democrat vs republican” distraction but instead push to remove them all. There is only one group controlling the world - the Global Elite - and they must all be removed from power.

Tyler Durden #pratt zerohedge.com

If The Postal Service Was Publicly Traded, It Would Have A Trillion Dollar Market Cap

In the past few days, there has been an unprecedented amount of manufactured drama over the US Postal Service, as discussed in "Unpacking Fact From Fiction Behind The USPS Drama", yet which has continued overnight

And which as Byron York summarizes, "speculation about Trump and the Post Office has grown so frantic that it resembles the frenzy three years ago over allegation--from many of same people--that Trump conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election."

In any case, we won't belabor the political talking points - as those will be with us every day for the next 78 days - but instead make a market-based observation that if the US Postal Service, which has had just three profitable quarters this decade...

... had been a publicly-traded company, it would easily have a massive market valuation. Why? Because in the last ten years or 40 quarters, the USPS has made $688.7 billion in revenue while losing $68.2 billion, an abysmally bad performance which even such cash incinerators as Tesla, Uber and Netflix can only admire in stunned silence.


And since this market rewards nothing quite as generously as massive cash burn, it is beyond debate that the USPS would have a market cap of over $1 trillion. In fact, thanks to its record net loss, it might even be the world's most valuable company thanks to the Fed which has flipped every market fundamental upside down.

drkresearch #conspiracy nodisinfo.com

Garissa Attack is a False Flag Proven by Kenyan Government’s Own Actions

This post contains graphic images. Let all readers beware.

Note: In the initial posts about the Kenya Garissa attack errors were made. In the sake of accuracy those posts were taken down and have been replaced by information which is more thorough and precise in its substance. This information proves that the events at Garissa were not random but were, rather, based on a plot perpetrated by the Kenyan government itself, no surprise, since that same government committed great acts of corruption, RE: the 1998 controlled demolition US Embassy bombing and also the arch-fake Nairobi Mall Shooting Hoax. In contrast, this act is deemed a false flag, since it involves actual fatalities, whether staged or committed on-site as actual massacres.

In other words, there are dead bodies, here. As a rule in hoaxes there are no corpses. Even so, components of the Garissa attack are hoaxes such as the staging of grief.

Regarding the events at Garissa University the powerful people who run the government of Kenya are spewing nothing but terminal lies. These lies are easy to prove. It demonstrates that Garissa is a plot against the people not a mere random act of terror by disgruntled so-called Islamists.

Adam Lanza #fundie schoolshooters.info

On 20 December 2011, Adam Lanza called in to a talk radio program, AnarchyRadio, broadcasted on KWVA 88.1 FM out of the University of Oregon. The show is hosted by John Zerzan, a writer described by The Atlantic as “an intellectual leader of the anarcho-primitivist movement, an ideology that regards technology as a destroyer of human communities.” The reason for Lanza’s interest in Zerzan’s writings is plainly evident in the call itself; Lanza calls to share a story about “Travis the Chimp,” a domesticated chimpanzee that in 2009 “snapped,” and viciously attacked 55-year-old Charla Nash, a friend of the chimp’s owner. The attack was seemingly random, nearly cost the victim her life, and ended when the chimp was shot by police. Lanza outlines how the chimp’s violent episode can be explained by his upbringing “as if he were a [human] child,” and argues that Travis’s “civilized” upbringing was what led to his attack.

JOHN ZERZAN: Here we go . . . hello. We got the collapsible headphones here but, uh, we’re back.

SHOW RUNNER: [Unintelligible] . . . we’ve got Greg on the phone.

ZERZAN: Oh, Greg, okay, how’s it going?

ADAM LANZA: Hi, good. Um. I’m a fan of your writing. Um.

ZERZAN: Thank you.

LANZA: I’m sorry to [bring up?] such an old news story but I couldn’t nd anything that you said about the topic, and it seems relevant to your interests, so I thought I would bring up Travis the Chimp, do you remember him?

ZERZAN: I don’t!

LANZA: Well, he was the highly domesticated chimpanzee who lived in a suburban home
in Stamford, Connecticut.

SHOW RUNNER: Oh, yeah.

ZERZAN: Oh.

LANZA: And he was raised just like a human child, starting from the week he was born. By the time that he was fourteen years old, which would be somewhere around age twenty in human years —

ZERZAN: Uh-huh.

LANZA: —um, he slept in a bed, he took his own baths, he dressed himself, he brushed his
teeth with an electric toothbrush.

ZERZAN: [laughs] Really? When was this?

LANZA: Um. Well, this happened in early 2009.

ZERZAN: Oh.

SHOW RUNNER: Oh.

LANZA: Um.

ZERZAN: Uh-huh?

LANZA: He ate his meals at a table and enjoyed human foods like ice cream and he used a remote control to watch television and liked baseball games. And he even used a computer to look at pictures on the internet.

ZERZAN: Huh!

LANZA: And, [chuckles] it goes without saying that Travis was very overweight. He was two
hundred pounds when he should have been around the low hundreds.

ZERZAN: Mmhm.

LANZA: And he was actually taking Xanax.

SHOW RUNNER: [laughs]

ZERZAN: Amazing.

LANZA: I couldn’t nd any information about why he was taking it, but it just seems to say a lot that he was given it at all. And, basically, I think Travis wasn’t really any di erent than a mentally handicapped human child.

ZERZAN: Hmm.

LANZA: But anyway, one day in February 2009, he was acting very agitated, and at some point grabbed the car —his owner’s car keys, went outside and started beeping from car to car, apparently wanting to go for a car ride, and he was acting very aggressively, so his owner called her friend over to get her to help him to calm down and go back inside, and once she arrived he immediately attacked her and his owner tried to stop him but couldn’t and she even resorted to stabbing him with a knife, but nothing worked. And she said that after she stabbed him he looked at her as if to say, “Why’d you do that to me, Mom?” Because appar- ently that was what the relationship was like, no di erent than between a human mother and a human child.

ZERZAN: Hmm.

LANZA: So after the stabbing, she called the police, who arrived twelve minutes after the attack, at which point her friend was pretty close to dead. And once the cruiser came up, Travis went over to it, tried to open the locked passenger door. He smashed o the side-view mirror, went over to the driver’s door, opened it, and the cop shot him. He ed back into the house, where he went to his playroom and bled to death.

ZERZAN: Hmm . . .

LANZA: And um, [chuckles] this might not seem very relevant, but I’m bringing it up because afterward, everyone was condemning his owner for saying how irresponsible she was for raising a chimp like it was a child. And that she should have known something like this would happen, because chimps aren’t supposed to be living in civilization, they’re supposed to be living in the wild, among each other.

ZERZAN: Mhmm.

LANZA: But, their criticism stops there and the implication is that there’s no way anything could have gone wrong in his life if he had been living in this civilization as a human rather than a chimp.

ZERZAN: Ah, indeed.

LANZA: [And?] I’m so interested in Travis, um, because he brings up questions about this
whole process of child-raising. Um.

ZERZAN: Yeah.

LANZA: Civilization isn’t something which just happens to gently exist without us having to do anything, because every newborn child —human child —is born in a chimp-like state, and civilization is only sustained by conditioning them for years on end so that they’ll accept it for what it is. And since we’ve gone through this conditioning, we can observe a human family raising a human child, and I’m sure that even you have trouble intuitively seeing it as something unnatural, but when we see a chimp in that position, we [visually?] know that there’s something profoundly wrong with the situation. And it’s easy to say there’s something wrong with it simply because it’s a chimp, but what’s the real di erence between us and our closest relatives? Travis wasn’t an untamed monster at all. Um, he wasn’t just feigning do- mestication, he was civilized. Um, he was able to integrate into society, he was a chimp actor when he was younger, and his owner drove him around the city frequently in association with her towing business, where he met many di erent people, and got along with everyone. If Travis had been some nasty monster all his life, it would have been widely reported, but to the contrary, it seems like everyone who knew him said how shocked they were that Travis had been so savage, because they knew him as a sweet child. And —there were two isolated incidents early in his life when he acted aggressively, but summarizing them would take too long, so basically I’ll just say that he didn’t act really any di erently than a human child would, and the people who would use that as an indictment against having chimps live as humans do wouldn’t apply the same thing to humans, so it’s just kind of irrelevant.

ZERZAN: Mhmm.

LANZA: But anyway, look what civilization did to him: it had the same exact e ect on him as it has on humans. He was profoundly sick, in every sense of the term, and he had to resort to these surrogate activities like watching baseball, and looking at pictures on a computer screen, and taking Xanax. He was a complete mess.

ZERZAN: Mhm.

LANZA: And his attack wasn’t simply because he was a senselessly violent, impulsive chimp. Um, which was how his behavior was universally portrayed. Um, immediately before his attack, he had desperately been wanting his owner to drive him somewhere, and the best reason I can think of for why he would want that, looking at his entire life, would be that some little thing he experienced was the last straw, and he was overwhelmed by the life that he had, and he wanted to get out of it by changing his environment, and the best way that he knew how to deal with that was by getting his owner to drive him somewhere else.

ZERZAN: Yeah.

LANZA: And when his owner’s —owner’s friend arrived, he knew that she was trying to coax him back into his life of domestication, and he couldn’t handle that, so —he attacked her, and anyone else who approached them. And dismissing his attack as simply being the senseless violence and impulsiveness of a chimp, instead of a human, is wishful thinking at best.

ZERZAN: Mmm-hmm.

LANZA: His attack can be seen entirely parallel to the attacks and random acts of violence
that you bring up on your show every week —

ZERZAN: Mmm . . .

Jim35 #fundie freerepublic.com

[”It is usually a direct result of some statement which displays a lack of science eduction(sic)...”]
You cherry-pick those quotes that you find the most objectionable, but you have a tendency to ignore the bigger questions, or the more coherent statements.

For instance, what is the origin of life, from which all other life sprang?

Did only one organism start all present forms of life, from amoebae to whales? Or did several different primordial organisms form around the same time, spawning the diversity that is the hallmark of our world?

Is life still being spontaneously generated, or was that only possible a couple of billion years ago?

When most of life was extinguished during one or another extinction episode, did it all start over again from another primordial ooze, or did the few life-forms left over become the ancestors of all present life?

What type of evolution is responsible for the presence of non-living matter? Of energy? Of cosmic forces, etc?

Is it really possible for a species to become suited to its environment through a random process of mutation?

Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum. To believe that all that exists merely came about through some random process more than strains credulity, it rips it to shreds

The This is some long shit' edition of FSTDT.

Sande Van der Straten #ufo #magick bibliotecapleyades.net

These are the notes that I took at the meeting held February 8th, 1992 at Maleny, Queensland.

This is my version of my notes of the meeting with Robert Morning Sky a full blooded Apache/Hopi Indian. Who was raised by his two grandparents after his father was killed and his mother left the reservation.

From the age of 1-5 years, he had no contact with the white man at all. He was taught by his grandfathers and with a group of other young people by a group of people they called the Star Warriors - aliens he code-names Blues.

These people taught him to run 6 miles with a full mouth of water and not choke or spill a drop, then they would return and have to spit the water out at the feet of the Warriors. They had to stand with their backs to their elders who would shoot an arrow and they, the students, would have to turn and catch it mid-flight. He said they didn’t realize - the students - that they weren’t supposed to be able to do these things.

The policy of the Star Warrior is that knowledge is not given, it is earned. The way to learn is to be led to discovery.

There is an old Hopi prophecy (today’s red man is white tomorrows white man is green). The first alien contact started about 1947 - 1948 and they had either already, or were going to spend 50 years with the elders of the Hopi Indian reservation.

A description of the Star Warriors is of clear, translucent skin, large almond shaped eyes and small of stature. The main issue of their teaching was PURSUE YOUR PASSION, follow your own way, do your own thing, don’t be pressured into being anything but what and who you are.

A medicine man is not necessarily a healer, they are people who do their own thing with a passion, i.e. one that will make you practice your practice your own medicine, two, feel better - medicine people make both things one and the same. A warrior is a living example of passion.

What is passion, it is an inner feeling, a love activity. It is that which makes time flow quickly, that one will move heaven and earth to do, that one will make time for. Passion is the unity of union of love between man and woman, which has more power and energy than anything one earth and if harnessed can be unbeatable.

Harmony occurs when ones own heart beat moves in time with another, i.e. the drum music of the dance, the heartbeat of chosen one, the heartbeat of a nation, the heartbeat of the universe and the earth. Think about your passion, if it makes you feel good, and shivery, it is your passion. It is your passion that makes all things possible.

The Hopi tradition is that it is man’s job to make all things possible for the womenfolk. They must attract, but the women must chose.

The reason for long hair is enhancement of beauty and the "Indian love handle" - he mentioned that the caveman used to pull their women around by their hair, he says it was wrong, the Indian women catch their men by their hair!

Men must see the world through the eyes of women.

Passion
The fire, the individuality, the you. It is internal, we are told to be what you are supposed to be, don’t be anything else. We have a life force and energy that if harnessed could cause more damage than an atomic explosion. But we need to practice harmony and frequency. We find our own frequency and can raise it to match another and harmonize, match it don’t contend with it or anything else, or you will be destroyed. The first sensation we receive, is our mother’s heartbeat. We all need to be one harmonious heartbeat.

Body
Your job is to master your own body, if you don’t master your body, nothing will work for you.


Spiritual
Anything else is spiritual, the trees, air, water etc. To attain oneself, you have to move outwards, not grow inwards or else you will become like the black stars and implode.

Shape shifting - is possible by becoming that shape - my feeling is that in making self believe so much that a super imposed image forms in your mind and the mind of those around you - by increasing your own frequency you can become anything i.e. a microwave than excite water, so that it changes and becomes hot.

When our energy rise, so does our body temperature. We have the ability to raise our own and other peoples frequencies.
In 1943 the government conducted a series of experiments called the Philadelphia Experiment, to teleport articles.

It partly succeeded and partly went wrong. On January 8/9th, there was a terrific light storm that was not so much a storm as an immense light show. (During this storm I, Sande, was sitting of the front porch, connected to the storm, Robert, my guide, very clearly spoke to me and told me not to feed the storm). Robert Morningsky video-taped the storm and on part of the film, the form of a ship appeared.

December 19/20 Nexus magazine reported that a ship from the Philadelphia Experiment materialized into one of the bays in Australian Waters and then disappeared. picture (Courier Mail, 31/12/91).

If you are not in tune with your passion you cannot create your own reality. Your passion is your responsibility. Who cares what others feel and think.

Your answers and salvation are within.

1930-1940 World War II
Madman Hitler tried to create the perfect man, and conducted bio-genetic experiments
Work on flying saucers research, development what is known as Foo Fighters - (14.2.1944)
The US developed an atomic weapon and tested it in Northern New Mexico
Others tried to develop Time Travel. Out in the universe, alien nations viewed us and were dismayed. Can you imagine the SS Eldridge going through into another dimension. Whilst testing a new protection device called radar uncontrollable bursts of energy, several flying saucers were forcibly landed. The area of landing was the Arizona area. The Amerindians respected the aliens found.

1948
Several discs crashed, so a military force called blue force was formed, to remove all evidence of UFOs. A live alien was captured and he was called EBE, Extraterrestrial Biological Entity.

It was found that he was not able to eliminate waste through the normal way, it was eliminate through the pores of his skin. He took sick, and a famous botanist Jaro Mendoza was called in, but in 1952, EBE died. A project called Sigma was instigated to call EBEs brothers to come and find him but to no avail.

The satellite dishes were placed on Indian lands, and the workers, believing that the Indian race was non consequential, so gave them quite a bit of information, believing that they would not understand it.


1947
In the locker of one of the landed UFOs were found human parts.


1953
December, contact was made with Aliens. Astronomers found a bunch of space ships going around the earth. Contact was made outside one of the Indian reservations.

1954
Eisenhower met with the greys and was offered certain secrets in return for the use of people for research and experimentation. They informed the president that they were a dying race and needed help to get their bodies stronger and healthier. An agency MJ-12 was brought into effect, to monitor this program of experiments and implantations.

Negotiations were completed and treaty was signed in California. In Florida another body of Aliens arrived, called by Robert Morningsky, as the Blues.

They offered other advice, not to deal with the greys, it would only lead to disaster, but to follow your own path. They would teach with peace and harmony if men would disarm and listen. The military said no deal! So they left, but a few decided to remain and stayed in Northern Mexico and Arizona and made a treaty with the Hopi Indians.

These Aliens are known by the Hopi as Star Warriors.

The greys left an ambassador called Krill and adopted an equilateral triangle as their insignia. The military force name as the Blue Force became the Delta Force and was formed to study the greys. Two bases were built and called several names, the Earth base - Hanger 18, Dreamland or Area 51.

The greys went underground under the reservations in the four corner area of Mexico, Utah, Arizona and California. It was for the purpose of monitoring the Blues. The Blues had to flee the reservation and go into hiding, a few of the Elders went with them.

The Hopi legend is that there were two races, the children of the feather who came from the skies, and the children of the reptile who came from under the earth. The children of the reptile chased the Hopi Indians out of the earth, these evil under-grounders were also called two hearts.

The government has signed a treaty with the children of the serpent. The Hopi have signed a treaty with the children of the feather.

The greys want a perfect body, for a long time, there have been cattle mutilations. Always missing, were the organs of elimination. The grey’s bodies are always cold, and they feed on our energies, our fears, our out of control energies.

When you are fearful and out of control, the greys use and feed on that energy. What we need to do is know that it is o.k. to feel fear, but to flow with it, then control it by redirecting it into a positive event.

(NB - Do we not have an underground installation at Pine Gap that is run by the Americans? - Sande).

Control your passion - life force - you decide what you want, get an attitude! Don’t be afraid to say no! The government wants your money for their pet projects and the greys want your life-force, your energy.

Ask yourself these things.
1. Do the government make laws for themselves or for people.
2. Do they allow us to do our own thing.
3. Are we under their control on government subsidies etc...
The greys decided to stay on earth and needed acceptance, so they hired an advertising agency to come up with some good ideas - hence - My favorite Martian, ALF, Star Trek, Star wars, Alien Nation and ET.

The new program the Mutant Ninja Turtles and the Dinosaurs?? Look and be aware of the symbol of the triangle - TriStar Pictures??? Don’t rely on the government for your support, help yourself where you can. See the movie JFK.


1959
The Jason Society decided to do something about global warming:
1. Blow a hole in the ozone layer, to let the heat out.
2. Develop underground for the elite societies.
3. Develop other planets into colonies. The last two were adopted, but the first has since be done.
Several things have been happening to engender fear and to give more control to the government:
1. Release of dangerous Psychotics and early release of killers and menaces to society.
2. Wars and upheavals.
3. Drug induced societies and drug dependent societies.
4. Mainland China.


Kachina Hopi - great spirit fire

Any living thing that is stressed is food for the children of the lizard.

Robert saw for the first time pictures of crop circles, and recognized them as Hopi symbols. He professed that if he could see them in their correct order, he would be able to ’read them’.

He feels that Mother earth is calling out Help me!


Question time
Q: - Why would governments hide the fact that aliens exist?
A: - If we knew, we would quit doing what the government want us to do.

Q: - Do the greys know they are aliens?
A: - The Greys have interbred - the more they interbreed, the more chance there is that they will lose their memories of who they really are, they become half human and half alien and can be quite mixed up emotionally. They must be 5th and 6th generation greys by now, and who don’t know they are greys. (Where do you think we get all our information from - disgruntled greys!!)

Q: - How can we tell the children of the greys.
A: - They make you feel creepy and have reptilian looking eyes and features. Greys have large eyes and have difficulty focusing. They are arrogant. They will be a strong body odor they tend to drain one of energy. They need to wear sunglasses - CIA????

The Blues
Short, big eyes, wouldn’t describe too much, because they are preparing for something big. You will feel them, and you will know them!! It is possible that a 6th generation grey could end up marrying a 6th generation blue.

Our misuse of our energy can aid a grey to shape shift and thus not be recognized.
(At the meeting, I was with another person, and while the intermission was on, we were quietly talking, when the person appeared from nowhere, and introduced himself to me, using my name. [my name had not been mentioned, neither did I know this man. I did not have a name tag on].

It was an extremely hot day, and when I shook his hand, it was freezing cold and dry. He shook hands with my partner also. We watched him move back through the hall and disappear into a small of people. We watched the front door, and he did not exit through there. But when we looked for him later, he was nowhere to be found.

I have no idea what it all meant, I only know that it was a strange experience. Neither my partner nor I could remember the man’s name, although he has said it twice. No one else had contact with the man, or remembered seeing anyone. My partner was a very logical person, not given to fanciful visions etc.)
On December 21, 1991, a fragmented video tape would trigger a series of events that would permit these papers to come to life.

On the video tape were bits and pieces of information that confirmed what some American Indians have known for some time... that Alien Life Forms exist and walk amongst us.

Due to the release of information on that tape, it is now possible to reveal further information that could not be spoken of before this time.

An ages old code of silence could slowly and cautiously be unveiled. In the late forties and early fifties, a movement began on the pueblo Indian Reservations of the Southwest. It was the intent of the Elders involved to raise an isolated group of young Warriors in the "Old Ways". The teachings began but would soon receive an unexpected presence... the "Star Warrior". (Please read the chronology included).

Hand in hand with the "medicine warrior" ways, the "Star Warrior" ways would become the foundation of education of the young warriors. Hand in hand with the Elders, the Star Brother taught the Secrets of the Universe. Raised in the way of the Kachina, the children knew that the Spirit of things always looks different.

The appearance of the Star Brother was not frightening, he only looked a little unlike us... and... he played with us as a child would.

Knowledge must be earned. Wisdom must be learned... the "Way of the Warrior" would confirm that which was discovered and would give suggestion for direction, but Passion for knowledge MUST be exhibited... and so, the code was born - "confirm but do NOT originate.

Suggest and direct but leave discovery to the seeker of knowledge". These full-blooded Indian boys and girls spent their lives learning through discovery... and one by one they went out into the "outside" world. The author of these papers was one of those youngsters. The material in these papers does not violate the code, it only confirms information which has been uncovered by others.

It is hoped, however, that these papers may give researchers an idea or suggestion for a different perspective which may help to uncover further information on the "Grand Overview".

The information in these papers should not be accepted in and of themselves. You must seek our confirmation for yourself. The credibility of these papers does not depend on its author, but rather on what you discover from your study and investigation of the material presented.

CONFIRM EVERYTHING FOR YOURSELF! THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BE SATISFIED WITH THE TRUTHS PRESENTED.

The material is presented in bold, forthright form. If you seek elaboration.

"Keys" are available upon request.



SECRETS OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN - HOPI LEGEND OF CREATION

The Hopi Indian Legend of Creation tells of three different beginnings.
One story says that we have arisen from an underground paradise through an opening called Sipapu.
The second story tells of the descendancy from our birthplace near a Blue Star.
And the third story relates of a migration from a faraway place across a great body of water.
All three are true.

What matters is not which came first, but that they are all true. (Focus not on the leaf, rather look at the whole tree).

This spot is thought by some to be Sipapu, entrance to the Hopi Underworld.
It is a sacred place of pilgrimage for the Hopi,
at the bottom of the Canyon of the Little Colorado above its junction with the Colorado River.

The story of Sipapu reveals that we emerged in a somewhat undeveloped physical state, much like the prehistoric man.

Our bodies were still forming and pliable, but our features were a bit brutish. Man, called Koyemsi or Mudhead had two small round lumps for ears, two protruding knobs for eyes and one large lump for a mouth. The head was smooth and round as a ball.

As man developed, his physical body and features became more refined until he looks as he does now.

THIS IS THE HOPI VERSION OF EVOLUTION - (Key 1)
- This story of creation says that the underground paradise was wondrous with beautiful clear skies and plentiful food sources.

It was because of the existence of those called Two Hearts, the bad ones, that refuge was sought in the upper world by the Hopi, the peaceful ones. The underworld was not destroyed but was only sealed up to prevent the Two Hearts from rising upon to the surface world.

(Suggested research Hollow Earth Theorists may want to look at this legend more closely. At least one government agency is said to continue monitoring the Hopi Indian, to see when and if a return into the ground begins).


THE SECOND STORY OF CREATION - (Key 2)
- Tells of the descent of the Hopi from the Blue Star of a constellation called the Seven Sisters. One version tells of our travel to earth on the back of Enki, the eagle. Grandfather, the Great Spirit allowed the first man to select his home from the many stars of the universe.

Enki told first man of his home earth, and brought him to visit. First man’s exploration of the earth convinced him that this was where he wanted his children to be born and to grow. First Man returned to the heavens to tell Grandfather of his decision. Grandfather was pleased and granted to first man the right to call earth his home.

First man soon returned to the green place or Sakwap with his family shortly afterwards.

(Many of the hero stories throughout time and through many different cultures refer to a valiant group of seven. Warriors descended from the stars often use the sign of the Seven Sisters on their shields and medallions).


THE STORY OF THE MIGRATION - (Key 3)
- From a great land across the big waters speaks of the departure from a paradise far away. This story parallels many other creation legends, but differs only in that no disaster or chaos seems to have caused the journey.

The purpose of the journey was to begin a new home and a new life. Some interpretations have the Hopi leaving their home in order to spread the Teachings of the Old Ones.


SORCERER VS MEDICINE MAN - (Key 4)
- In the Southwest, as in all areas of North America, there exist men and women who practice the use of power to achieve their goals. Sometimes called the medicine man or woman, sorcerer or shaman, these individuals have often been the subjects of books and even movies. Their practice is often referred to as magic.

Nothing is further from the truth. Magic is the un natural use of the Powers of Nature. They who turn to the practice of disharmony are more properly called witches, warlocks and sorcerers. (It is this disharmony that eventually undoes these practitioners and seals their doom). Medicine men and women work with the force of Nature.

(Move against the river, it weakens and ultimately destroys - move with the river, and the power of the river enters your soul and reveals its knowledge).

One series of popular books (Carlos Castaneda Series) refers to Don Juan. One of the Sorcerers of the Southwestern Desert. His apprentice was known as Carlos. Through the series of books, Carlos is guided by Don Juan and Don Genaro on a path to Sorcery.

The methods used by Don Juan are well known to the Medicine Men and Women of the Southwest and most of what is described in the first two books is a valid teaching technique of teaching by Distraction. However, due to the blinders Carlos refuses to move from his eyes, the two books seem to be rather confusing. This is not because of Don Juan.

Don Juan’s attempts to make him see in another way, are totally rejected by Carlos and the result is a mixed up re-telling of events. Do not accept the final book’s premise that Carlos has achieved the status of Sorcerer or knowing one - that is not the outcome. Those who refuse to remove the blinders and expand their awareness, will forever be trapped in a prison-world of their own making, and will never see the dangers around them.

(They who do not wish to see CANNOT; Those who do not wish to hear CANNOT; Those who do not wish to feel CANNOT. Suggestion - re-read the Don Juan comments carefully).


MEDICINE MAN/WOMAN (Key 5)
- At this point it would be well to mention that Medicine men/Woman are not necessarily healers. In fact, your medicine is your passion. Your medicine always makes you feel high while dancing, then dancing is your medicine. If you feel high while cooking, then cooking is your medicine. Your medicine will always help to cure that which ails you.

Your medicine will always give you the power to rise up and continue. (This medicine is of the spirit) Your medicine is also that which you do. Your conduct in the Land of Living Things, what you do is your signature in life and it is your medicine. how your treat others and how you react to the world is your medicine.

You medicine can help the ailments of others or it could, in fact poison them. What you do effects other at all times. (If your medicine is harmful to others, you, as a medicine man or medicine woman have failed in your task.) What you DO in the land of the living things is your medicine. (This medicine is of the body).

(It is the true medicine man/woman that makes the medicine of the spirit one with the medicine of the body.)

TRUTH AND WISDOM - (key 6)
- Truth and wisdom must always be sought out. Neither shall come easily. If at first, the teacher ignores you... Ask again!

All masters of Wisdom will succumb to the Passionate student. To demand a right to knowledge is to say you provide this for me. To ask for knowledge is to show respect for wisdom and to pursue knowledge is to show passion for truth. (In life, there are no RIGHTS, only privileges). Unlike power, truth seeks to come out. It does not hide, it is hidden by those wishing it to remain concealed. Truth and power are tools to be used. Not ends in themselves.

(Power can cover or uncover truth;...truth can only uncover power; Power can lead to truth...Truth always leads to power. Wisdom is knowing how to use both).

PASSION - (Key 7)
- In order to pursue your Passion, first you must recognize your passion. The following guidelines should help you to identify your passion:
1. Your PASSION always makes you feel on fire.
2. Your PASSION always makes time disappear (five hours always seems like five minutes.
3. Your PASSION occupies most of your waking thoughts.
4. Your PASSION forces you into action, you cannot sit.
5. Your PASSION is something you will always find time for.

AWARENESS - (Key 8)
- There are three parts to Awareness:
1. The Inner Spirit or the PASSION
2. The Outer Being or the BODY
3. The Outer Spirit or the SPIRITUAL
(Master the inner self first, the physical self secondly, then and only then, can the spiritual be conquered).

How can we master the more complex out of body experience if we cannot stop overeating? How can we stop overeating if we do not have Passion or discipline to accomplish it?

All spiritual teachings require mastery of the spirit. Development, or growth, is always outward, not inward. Mastery of the Inner Spirit or passion is first; Mastery of the body or Physical is next; Mastery of the Spiritual is the final step. Those who turn the order around will find their development moving inward and falling in on itself.

(Passion is the secret to all things. Master this and all things shall be revealed to you).

STAR WARRIORS - (Key 9)
- To follow the path of the STAR WARRIOR, you must first eliminate two concepts from your mind and spirit - Can’t and Impossible -. How long would you stay married to a spouse who constantly told you that you could not do something? You can’t go there; You can’t do that; You can’t say that! - Not very long.

So why then permit yourself to deny yourself? Remember, if you believe yourself inferior, you are! If you say to yourself, I cannot - you are right. If you say to yourself, I can - you are also right. To become who you wish to become, first establish who that person is and how they would act. Then, practice and rehearse everything that person would think and do.

(To become a deer, one must act, think, live and be as the deer - only then can the passion of the deer be yours).

In other words, create yourself. Write a script for your own movie. The hero is your. In the script, write all those things you wish for yourself, all those things you would like to do or feel. Then rehearse your script. Practice becoming the hero or heroine of your movie. Rehearse over and over again until you know the behavior instinctively. Slowly, you will begin to know how the hero acts and thinks. Slowly, you will become the hero of your movie and your life.

The only way to become a runner is to begin running - The only way to become a lover is to begin loving - The only way to become passionate is to practice passion - Practice being that which you wish to be...and soon you shall become it.

THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF THE STAR WARRIORS - (Key 10)
1. I am a child of the Dancing Star born of chaos.
I AM BORN OF THE STARS. THE STARS WERE BORN OF CHAOS. THERE SHALL ALWAYS BE CHAOS, BUT I SHALL ALWAYS BE WARRIOR.

Only in challenge shall we find our greatest strengths and our weaknesses. Only in challenge shall our passions be made strong. The goal of life is outward development. NOT inner peace. Peace that brings no challenge means stagnation. Confidence in self wrought through challenge is TRUE peace.

2. I am fire.
I AM FIRE. I AM PASSION. ALL THAT I DO, I DO WITH PASSION. - Fire is passion. Passion is that inner force that distinguishes us from all others. Passion is that which makes the Bear become the Bear... never will you see the Bear trying to fly as the Eagle, for it is his passion to be the bear. Passion is the gift that allows us to be what we wish. To do anything without passion, is to go through the motions.

To be Passionless is to lose the fight of life. Those who have no fire are easy to conquer and manipulate. The study of Physics and other sciences tells us that all things are comprised of atoms which in turn are comprised of electrons, protons and neutrons...all are particles of energy or electricity. This energy cannot be destroyed, only changed. From these very same particles came the release of a basis of our existence, within our own bodies.

Herein, science has revealed the existence of a force unlike any on this planet, the force which directs each one of us in our path. This is our passion, this is our gift.

3. I see the fire in all things.
I SEE THE FIRE IN ALL THINGS - All things possess fire. All this have spirit. The only difference between man and animal is that they wear different skins. The only difference between man and all things is the skin, or outer covering. In the Hopi world, the spirit of a think is called kachina. It is the kachina that is the fire or passion. Those who can see and hear can learn from those kachinas around us. If you can communicate with another human being, you can communicate with the trees, the wind and all things of the earth.

4. I am but a visitor in the land of living things.
I AM BUT A VISITOR IN THE LAND OF LIVING THINGS - The skin we wear is but a temporary robe. That part of us which is most important is the inner spirit, or the passion. Yet, we must never forget that we are guests in this land and we must conduct ourselves as such. We respect all that is here.

That which we may receive in this place must be left here.. things cannot be taken with us, but all of our riches that we have accumulated in memories and knowledge shall go with us forever.

5. I walk the path of silence.
I WALK THE PATH OF SILENCE - In the Song of the morning sky, there is a line that says live as though you cannot speak. It means that what you do is more important than what you say. If you cannot speak, you must communicate your love and friendship through your actions. You must demonstrate that which you feel.

Let your actions be your measure. Only in silence can you learn. He who talks does not hear - only in silence can you defeat your enemy, he who makes no noise is invisible.

6. I am not seen or heard. I am only felt.
I AM NOT SEE OR HEARD, I AM ONLY FELT - The warrior must make himself felt. If he lives his life and the world has not felt him, he has failed. If he lives his life and grandfather has not felt him, he has failed. His passion must be experienced by others, not witnessed. He who uses his fire warms the world, he who shouts of his fire fills the world with noise.

7. I take only that which I can return.
I TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH I CAN RETURN. THE BALANCE OF NATURE AND HARMONY OF THE UNIVERSE MUST BE MAINTAINED - If the warrior takes a tree for use as a

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Honestly, sadly etc. They will reveal/disclose extraterrestrial existence as a threat once we begin to invest serious economy in space. Think about it: they are going to have to lower wages of the intrepid space traveling labor pool, or shit will get too expensive, far too quickly for their quota. Therefore, we will need a universal common enemy and thru the conduit of politic, we will have lower cost for space labor. Cheap labor is almost always the reason, for... well, everything.

The extraterrestrials must be following a very intense 5th dimensional rule and playbook, because otherwise - as every group has them - some jackass ETs would have "landed" on the White House lawn shitfaced on gas alcohol already. Perhaps the grandfather paradox is legit, or the many-worlds idea allows them to just skip over slices that they fuck up? Despite how intelligent they have to be, they definitely still have a reminiscent soft spot of an Achilles' heel for tomfoolery. With all that power, what left is there to do but amuse yourself?

I have seen UFOs and I "know" they exist, but I do not think that we will ever see definitive proof, i.e., a picture or video. To me, they very well could be "God-like" and be our future lineage that has managed to travel back in time for kicks. I do believe that their presence affects our minds and it wouldn't surprise me at all if our cameras literally cannot capture them as they truly are. Like a true unknown - something potentially hyperdimensional - all we have is our interpretation of what we saw and how our minds perceived them.