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evolutionisforidiots@gmail.com #fundie evolutionisforidiots.com

Once upon a time in a magical land, long long ago, inanimate matter with no genetic information turned into a living organism, complete with a complex system of DNA, with genetic code that could fill over 1,000 pages! The complex system of DNA got coded all by itself, by some unknown, unprovable process! This first, random, living organism is far too complex for humans to replicate, but it all happened accidentally! We have no proof that this has ever happened, of course, despite all of our scientific research. Then, the single celled organism turned into a more complex multi-celled organism, magically, by adding even MORE complex genetic code to itself randomly! We have no proof that this could ever happen either, despite all of the research we do on single-celled organisms, since no single-celled organism has reproduced into anything more than a single-celled organism. Now, plants and animals are constantly adding new, complex code to themselves magically, and so fish turn into monkeys, lizards transform into birds, and cows magically morph into whales in the enchanted land called Earth! We have no proof of any of this, but let's teach it to children in public schools and universities using everyone's tax dollars!

Yes, that sounds like science to me.

And yes, religions tend to have an element of belief to them, especially the religion of evolution.

"The religion of evolution: 50% unprovable belief, 50% disprovable lies."™

Mike King #fundie tomatobubble.com

Here at TomatoBubble.com; we love all of our readers, including the Atheist / Evolutionists. From time to time an E-mail that reads something like the following will arrive in the inbox:

"Mike. I love your work but you really need to stick to history and current events. You do not understand the science behind Evolution and are only harming your credibility when you attack Darwin."

Though this type of feedback is certainly more cordial and tolerable than the occasional, "You are a stupid ignorant deranged 'Nazi' extremist who believes that a giant spaghetti monster created the universe in 7 days. Ha ha ha" - it is still a variation of the condescending you-do-not-understand-science ad hominem logical fallacy that Evolutionists always resort to. This rhetorical device is a weaponized trick that we shall now disarm.

First of all, the lack of any extensive "scientific background" does not necessarily disqualify a logical thinker from expressing an opinion on Evolution or any other matter related to science. If a man observes a rapidly darkening sky on a brutally hot and humid summer afternoon; followed by a sudden temperature drop and distant rumbles of thunder; would his lack of a "background in meteorology" invalidate his opinion that rain is forthcoming?

If a man opts to take the elevator downstairs instead of simply jumping out of a 40th floor window and into his waiting convertible; would his lack of a "background in physics" invalidate his fear of jumping out of skyscrapers?

This idea that any matters pertaining to science, or alleging to pertain to science, can only be discussed by those with the right "qualifications" is a clear example of another classic logical fallacy; the 'Appeal to Authority'. Every great philosopher from Buddha, to Confucius, to Plato, to Socrates, to Marcus Aurelius, to Jesus, to Schopenhauer and so many others specifically warned against the inherent errors associated with this type of boot-licking, group-thinking worship of authority figures. Buddha expressed the key to right thinking very well when he stated:

"Do not go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought."

In other words, "To hell with those diploma-decorated fools. Use your own reason and observation!" And with that, let us dispense with this puffed-up patronizing rubbish about "lack of a scientific background" once and for all. You see, it doesn't take a "scientific background" to understand the basic and timeless principles of what is known as "The Scientific Method". Ironically, it is the hallowed Scientific Method which dooms the "theoretical science" of Darwinian Evolution to the toilet bowl of pseudo-scientific error.

Had Darwin studied Greek or Buddhist philosophy, he would never have made such a monkey of himself.

What is the Scientific Method?

The Scientific Method consists of the flow-chart steps shown in the following chart:

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Each step must logically flow into the next step until the process is complete. No skipping steps! As soon as the standards of any given step cannot be met, the game ends and the hypothesis goes into the garbage. Now, let's plug "Evolution" TM into the step climber and see what we get.

Step 1: Ask a Question

OK. This one is easy. Anyone can ask a question about anything. Here it goes: "How did we all get here?"

Step 2: Do Background Research

Gather data and observe it carefully. If you detect a pattern that suggests a plausible conclusion, then move onto the next step. What Darwin "discovered" during this step is that all living creatures share many common traits; and that the differences among them adapt them perfectly to their natural environment.

Step 3: Construct a Hypothesis

Based on your data mining, make an educated guess as to what the truth is. Not just any ole guess; not a wild and baseless guess; but an educated guess based on a compelling pattern of data. Here, at a very early stage of the Scientific Method, Darwin has already gone off the rails. In his own words:

"The real affinities of all organic beings, in contradiction to their adaptive resemblances, are due to inheritance or community of descent. Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed."

What Darwin observed is nothing that a retarded 8 year old, living 10,000 years ago, could not have easily noticed on his own; namely, that all creatures have much in common. For example, a lizard has two eyes, a mouth, teeth, a tongue, four limbs, a spine, a skeleton etc; and, a human being also two eyes, a mouth, teeth, a tongue, four limbs, a spine, a skeleton etc. And from that, and nothing more, Darwin "hypothesizes" that all living things came from an original "single-cell" organism? Really Chuck?

Darwin himself even admits that there is no data to support his hypothesis; which means that the hypothesis itself should never have been put forth in the first place. Again, from his own mouth:

"On this doctrine of the extermination of an infinitude of connecting links, between the living and extinct inhabitants of the world, and at each successive period between the extinct and still older species, why is not every geological formation charged with such links? Why does not every collection of fossil remains afford plain evidence of the gradation and mutation of the forms of life?

We meet with no such evidence. and this is the most obvious and forcible of the many objections used against my theory."

That's right Chuckie. The MILLIONS of "missing links' flowing from single-cell pond scum to modern man did not exist in the 1800's, nor have they been pieced together to this day. In fact, as even prominent Evolutionists openly admit, the fossil record actually appears to show that new life forms came on to the scene very suddenly.

Nonetheless, in spite of the fact that the standards of the 'Hypothesis Step' of Scientific Method have, by Darwin's own admission, not been met; let us, purely for the sake of argument, cheat a little and give the Evolutionists a "free pass" to the next step.

Step 4: Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment

I don't even know where to even begin with this one. How does one construct an experiment to "prove" that great-great-great grandma[x] was a piece of algae that spontaneously appeared in a pond, and "mutated" into millions of transitional species, culminating in what we are today. In the absence of any experimentation, one could conceivably skip this step and jump to an intense observation of unfolding natural processes; a "natural" experiment, so to speak.

But here again, there is nothing to observe. The reality is that trans-species evolution is not observable and has never been observed, neither in nature nor in the fossil record. Sorry Evolutionists, but a non-definitive skull fragment of some creature purported to be an "ape ancestor" does not meet the standard of observation; let alone constitute evidence that great-great-great grandma[x] was single-celled pond scum. The same goes for your desperately hyped-up finches, peppered moths, 'super rats', platypuses etc.

And speaking of "simple" single-cell organisms (which we now know are more complex than nuclear submarines and space shuttles!), a single-cell organism has NEVER been observed to "mutate" into a new species of two-cell organism. My God! The Evolutionists cannot even validate, neither in nature nor in a laboratory, the jump from one-cell bacteria to two-cell bacteria; yet they call us "stupid" for doubting that our common one-celled pond scum great-great-great grandma[x] "evolved" into the modern day human, elephant, bird, bumble bee, dolphin, eagle, spider, flower, tree etc.

Obviously, steps 5 and 6 of the Scientific Method are rendered mute; but that doesn't stop the dogmatic Evolutionists and degenerate Marxists from pounding their fists on the table and screaming "Science ... science ... science!" in your face; whilst viciously denouncing you as "uneducated" for daring to question their pond scum to human scenario.

The Theory of trans-species Evolution TM is neither testable nor observable. Likewise, the theory of life blindly coming from non-life is neither testable, nor observable; to say nothing of even being sane. Heck, these ideas were never even 'hypothesizable', and that was before our understanding of the incredibly complex DNA computer code we call the genome; a mind boggling instructional code that is programmed into all organisms, including those "simple" single-cell amoebas and bacteria!

Bottom Line: According to any honest rendering of the Scientific Method, Evolution TM is NOT science!

Unknown author #fundie creationworldview.org

Evolutionists do not want us to teach in our public schools the science that shows the validity of creation. They want us to teach only their (with apologies to Rudyard Kipling) "Just So Stories."

Personally, I believe that we should teach evolution side-by-side with creation giving equal scientific emphasis and have our students learn to think critically. Let us show them both and allow them to decide for themselves which one they will believe because origins is a faith position. Evolutionists reject this two model approach to teaching about origins because they inherently know that they will lose every time.

If they will not allow the teaching in our public schools of the science to support creation and adamantly defend the teaching of evolution only, that is fine with me - as long as we teach the students more about evolution than the evolutionists do. If we teach students ALL about evolution then they will realize that evolution is intellectually bankrupt.

The solution to evolution is education!

Please allow us to teach the students the truth about the implications of the Laws of Science, such as the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics, and how these Laws disprove evolution. Please allow us to teach the truth about the whole and complete nature of natural processes, like photosynthesis and metamorphosis, and how these could not possibly come into existence by random chance. Please allow us to teach the truth about what is really in the ground, like the out of order layers and polystrate fossils, as opposed to what evolutionists say is in the ground.

Please allow us to teach the truth about the hoaxes and frauds that have been authenticated and perpetuated by evolutionists then later had to be retracted. Please allow us to teach the truth about: Piltdown Man, Java Man, Peking Man, English Peppered Moths, the Horse Series, Pithecanthropus alalus, Galapagos Finch Beaks, embryonic recapitulation and the Monera.

Please allow us to teach the students the truth about how the acceptance of evolution is the foundational justification to promote: human racism, homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, lawlessness, pornography, and all the other immoral and unethical activities within our society.

Yes, I am convinced! We need to teach more about evolution in our public schools, not less!

With this admonition in mind, I want to give you a Primer on the Scientific Reasons that Evolution is Wrong. The following are only thirty basic points and are by no means the total list that we might make. This is just a list that you may refer to when you want a quick way to look up what is wrong with evolution.

1. The evolution of one kind into another kind is not happening in a measurable way in the present, nor can it be proven to have occurred in the past.

2. No new kinds of organisms are being observed coming from previously existing organisms. (We discover new kinds that we have never cataloged before, but this only shows our ignorance of their existence.)

3. No new structures or organs have been observed coming into existence. All observed structures or organs are fully formed when first observed. (The only observed changes to current structures or organs come from their decay and degradation.)

4. There are distinct gaps between the known kinds of organisms. One kind is not observed to change into another kind. We do not observe the "missing links" because they are missing, not there, don't exist.

5. Life only comes from life and reproduces after its own kind. Life does not come from non-living material. Life does not spontaneously generate itself.

6. Mutations, the supposed driving mechanisms of evolution, are random in nature and are neutral or harmful. They do not accumulate beneficially. Mutations produce the wrong kind of change and will not provide for the upward progressive increase in intelligence or complexity required by evolutionists.

7. We observe stasis, not change, in nature. Extinction is a proof of creation. We do not find change in the fossil record nor can we measure it in the present. Animal and plant kinds that exist today retain the same appearance but are smaller in size than their known predecessors.

8. The fossil layers are not found in the ground in the nice neat clean order that evolutionists illustrate them to be in their textbooks. There is not one place on the surface of the earth where you may dig straight down and pass through the fossil layers in the order shown in the textbooks. The neat order of one layer upon another does not exist in nature. The fossil bearing layers are actually found out of order, upside down (backwards according to evolutionary theory), missing (from where evolutionists would expect them to be) or interlaced ("younger" and "older" layers found in repeating sequences). "Out of place" fossils are the rule and not the exception throughout the fossil record.

9. Polystrate fossils, fossils which penetrate two or more layers of the fossil record (most often trees), are common throughout the fossil record. In rare cases even large animal skeletons have been found in vertical position rather than in a horizontal position.

10. Life forms are found to be complex even in the "oldest" layers of the fossil record. For example, various species of Trilobites are found to have very sophisticated eyesight. Yet evolutionists say that these creatures supposedly evolved into existence when the first multiple celled life forms began to evolve some 620 million supposed years ago.

11. Nature does not provide us with the proof for the "Tree of Life" so glibly talked about by evolutionists. We do not find life starting as simple and then branching upward and outward as it becomes more and more complex. We do not find that life forms follow the pattern of a single tree trunk with many branches. The physical evidence provided by nature gives a picture of an extremely large orchard with all plant and animal types represented from the beginning with their own individual trunks and branches producing the variations within kinds that we have today, but no new kinds progressing from previous kinds.

12. There are no transitional forms found in the fossil record. In spite of all the reports people may have heard, we have never found the fossil of a plant or an animal which is a true intermediate form. The "missing links" are missing because they are missing.

13. Be wary of artists renderings. An artists depiction, conception or illustration is imaginary. Simply because we see an artists illustration of a cow becoming a whale doesn't make it so. Human desire and imagination are not evidence.

14. Ancient man was not primitive. Ancient human cultures had more complex languages than we do today. The engineering feats of the past cultures are well recognized and in some cases have not been duplicated in modern times. There never was a Stone Age, Bronze Age or Iron Age. Man has used stone, bronze and iron tools in all ages of past human activity. Indeed, there is nothing new under the sun.

The observed Laws of Science contradict the various theories of evolution.

15. The law of Cause and Effect not only describes that for every effect there must have been a cause, it also tells us that the cause must be greater than the effect. No one can create anything greater than themselves. You do not get an increase in intelligence or complexity without the input from a greater intelligence.

16. The First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics work contrary to evolutionary belief. The First Law of Thermodynamics (The Law of Energy Conservation) proves that the universe cannot be the reason for its own existence. According to the First Law the universe cannot have been anything less than it is, and if it cannot have been anything less than it is, it had to come into existence whole and complete. If the universe came into existence whole and complete, then it had to be created. Simply adding energy to a system will not cause an increase in intelligence or complexity. The addition of undirected energy to a system accomplishes nothing, except possibly for the destruction of that system.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics (The Law of Entropy) proves that evolution cannot happen. The Second Law stipulates (a poor attempt by scientists to describe The Curse of Genesis Chapter 3 and Revelation) that in all activities some of the energy becomes unavailable for further useful work. The universe is running down, not up.

17. The concept of a "Big Bang" producing the universe is absolutely illogical. Explosions do not produce ever increasing order and structure. Explosions produce disorder and chaos. Explosions break things down or destroy what was previously ordered.

18. There is no substantiated method in nature which would allow stars to be "born." The Gas Laws prove that the pressure of hot gases expanding outward from a center is far greater than the gravitational force drawing them towards a center. Stars could not evolve into existence.

19. The Law of Biogenesis (the Law of Life Beginnings) accurately states that life only comes from life, and that life only reproduces after its own kind. Life cannot spontaneously generate and life forms do not change from one kind into another kind.

20. The input of undirected energy accomplishes nothing. The input of undirected energy will destroy a system, not build it up. Only the input from a greater intelligence will cause a beneficial increase in order and/or complexity.

21. Not only must there be the input from a greater intelligence in order to produce an increase in complexity and/or intelligence, that intelligence must have a preconceived plan of action. No master craftsman would start to build without first having a plan, a blueprint.

22. In order for evolution to be true atoms must form useful molecules such as enzymes, amino acids and proteins by random chance. It is mathematically impossible for these molecules, much less the far larger DNA molecule, to form by random action in nature. It cannot happen!

23. Natural selection and survival of the fittest are supposed to be the driving forces of progressive upward evolution. There are no selective benefits for a supposed transitional form. There would be no advantage for a creature to have a half-evolved eye or a half-evolved wing. Indeed, the existence of such structures would be detrimental and serve only to eliminate, not perpetuate, such disfigured organisms from a given population.

24. The presumed intermediates required by evolution do not exist. The missing links are missing because they are missing. Reptilian scales do not/cannot become feathers. These structures originate from different cells within the skin tissue. Reptilian lungs do not/cannot change to become avian (bird) lungs. Air flows in and out of reptilian lungs just as in humans. Bird lungs have a flow through design.

25. Living organisms are incredibly complex and have specific design features. In order to make this point please consider the following partial list: woodpecker tongue, Bombardier Beetle chemistry, insect metamorphosis, Giraffe heart and arterial system, Gecko feet and human eyes (or human brains for that matter).

26. Single-celled organisms such as bacteria, amoeba and algae have the same degree of complexity within them that multiple-celled organisms have within them. Single-celled organisms have a skeleton, respiratory system, digestion and elimination systems, circulatory system, reproductive system, command and communication system.

27. Life forms are irreducibly complex. To code for RNA production within a cell you must already have whole and complete DNA. To make DNA you must already have whole and complete RNA. In addition, it requires about 70 proteins to fabricate a DNA molecule, but you must have whole and complete DNA to fabricate those proteins.

28. When we see design we know that there is/was a designer. The human mind intrinsically knows the difference between randomness and design. When we see a plastic hair comb, one of the simplest structures ever designed and consisting of only one part, we know that it was designed and made through intelligent effort. A plastic hair comb does not come into existence by random chance.

If we see three stones sitting on the bottom of a clear stream we know that they got there by the random action of the water current. If we see the same three stones piled up one on top of the other sitting on the bank of that stream we know that an outside intelligence placed them there.

We see design throughout nature. For good health blood must clot when it gets outside the body, but must not clot inside the body. In addition, it must stop clotting and not continue to clot once exposed to the outside. The molecular motors which turn the cilia of cells look exactly like little electric motors complete with bearings, shaft and housing. Our bodies must make decisions to accept or reject foreign substances or our immunological system does not work. Our bodies must also manufacture effective countermeasures without killing us at the same time.

29. Charles Darwin stated that the existence of vestigial and retrogressive organs and structures in the human body were essential proofs of evolution. It has now been determined that there are NO vestigial or retrogressive organs or structures in a human body!

30. Evolutionary theories remain incapable of explaining the existence of sex, symbiosis or altruism.

I reiterate that the solution to evolution is education! If we teach the true facts of science and teach our people to think critically they will never believe the Just So Stories of the evolutionists.

Besides, what is so dangerous about the facts that support creation?

A belief in creation destroys the works of the Devil!

That is what is so important about it and why evolutionists cling to their faith position concerning it. Evolution is a religion of conveniences. The acceptance of evolution is the only way in which people may mentally justify that there is no God. The acceptance of evolution is the only way in which they may mentally justify that they may lead a sinless life with Jesus Christ. The Bible declares that this is manifest delusion.

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie disqus.com

No, life does not begin at conception. When life begins is determined by pro-aborts using a Ouija board. Generally, the supernatural event defining the beginning of life that magically occurs sometime during pregnancy can be found by taking the moment of abortion and adding 5 minutes to it, thus alleviating the guilt of the abortionist, abortive woman, and bro-choicer who dragged her into the abortuary.

"Life is a continuum. Life on earth has started a few billion years ago and didn't stop since then. Or are you claiming sperm and egg cells are not alive? It would surprise me if scientists from Northwestern University really stated that 'Life begins with a “flash of light” or “fireworks"'. And it would really surprise me if abortionist used this silly argument."

Confusing sperm and egg cells with a conceived human shows how science-phobic you are, John. It seems to be a Hail Mary effort lately by pro-aborts to equate sperm to a human being and claim that masturbation is genocide. It must be difficult for the superstitious ones to accept that they were once zygotes, embryos, fetuses. For those of us who actually do science - and understand the difference between sperm and humans:

“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.” Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). "Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being." [Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote." [Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).” Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg… For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department Of Health And Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Division, 1990

Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization:

“The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”

Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”

James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“Zygote, fertilized egg cell that results from the union of a femalegamete (egg, or ovum) with a male gamete (sperm). In the embryonic development of humans and other animals, the zygote stage is brief and is followed by cleavage, when the single cell becomes subdivided into smaller cells.

The zygote represents the first stage in the development of a genetically unique organism. The zygote is endowed with genes from two parents, and thus it is diploid (carrying two sets of chromosomes). The joining of haploid gametes to produce a diploid zygote is a common feature in the sexual reproduction of all organisms except bacteria.

"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a 'moment') is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte." - Ronan O'Rahilly and Fabiola Müller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

"It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual." - Clark Edward Corliss, Patten's Human Embryology: Elements of Clinical Development. New York: McGraw Hill, 1976. p. 30.

You're welcome. Embrace science, do not fear it.

"It seems you are confused here, World. You are the one claiming life starts at conception. Nothing in your post supports that notion. You even mention a source that says 'Although life is a continuous process ...'.
Thanks for admitting that your argument was rather silly."

"You are the one claiming life starts at conception."

And I just proved it using peer-reviewed medical and biological sources, unlike the superstitious one that you are.

"You even mention a source that says 'Although life is a continuous process ...'."

Read on, Child, there is more where you conveniently put the ...:

"fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a 'moment') is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.""

Still waiting for your evidence that you were never a zygote, embryo, or fetus.

"No need. You claimed 'life starts at conception'. Your evidence does not show that. It shows life is a continuum - conception is merely a milestone in the formation of a new individual - a crucial one, but certainly not the only one. Your silly argument for not allowing abortion because 'life starts at conception' therefore ends here."

I gave you peer-reviewed science, and you reply with feeewwwings?!?

Still waiting for your proof that you were not a zygote, embryo, and fetus. This won't take long, will it? :-)

Mike King #fundie tomatobubble.com

The great and the good of the “intelligentsia” assure us that all “educated” people accept Charles Darwin’s Evolution as a indisputable fact of science that is "not open for debate." Oh those superstitious "straw-men" bible-thumpers portrayed in the propaganda film Inherit the Wind may have a hard time accepting it, but even the slightest doubt can never be tolerated within the elite confines of the academic cool-kids club. Woodrow Wilson Warmonger of World War I fame, a former Princeton professor himself, put it this way:

“Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised.”

And yet, neither Darwin, nor Wilson, nor the Communist ACLU Attorney Clarence Darrow (played by Spencer Tracy), nor any other “scientist” (bow your head in solemn reverence when you say that word) has ever adequately addressed the gaping holes of Darwin’s Dogma. The best rebuttal the "smart people" can muster consists of scorn, ridicule, charges of "stupidity" and even government force -- but never any true scientific substance. Many of these holes are blown wide-open in the book: “God vs Darwin: The Logical Supremacy of Intelligent Design Creationism” (by yours truly). But for this particular piece, let us focus on what is perhaps the single biggest flaw of all regarding trans-species “Evolution” – which should not be confused with minor variations / adaptations of existing characteristics already present in a gene pool (Darwin’s finches, peppered moths, stickleback fish, "super rats" etc.) We refer to this gaping hole as the “complex integration” of multiple parts that is found in all living organisms (even “simple” single-cell bacteria).

Darwin and his deluded devotees maintain that tiny “imperceptible” and "innumerable" blind and random mutations, favored by environmental circumstances, added up over very long periods of time to the point that an evolved species (such as us humans) became unrecognizable from our direct lineal “ancestors” (single-cell oceanic bacteria). Apart from the obvious fact that none of these transitions from millions of years ago were observable, how do the Evolutionists explain away the “complex integration” of our body parts? One part of any given creature could not have blindly “evolved” without so many other parts coming into existence at the exact same moment in time. How can hundreds or even thousands of complex parts -- functioning in sync with one another in a scientific symphony in which each component can only function if all the others are in place -- have “blindly” appeared, without intelligent guidance, one piece-of-the-puzzle at a time, over “millions of years?”

To better illustrate this problem, let’s have a closer look at the integration of the digestive system.

To start the digestive process, we need an oral cavity -- that is, a mouth to put the food in. The mouth needs teeth, both upper & lower sets, deeply anchored into our gums, which are attached to a jaw-bone, which is attached to a skull which is etc., etc., etc., Without all of this in place at the same time, the first step of the digestive process comes to a halt. But our gums and 32 perfectly-matching teeth alone, which come if different shapes and sizes for certain functions, won’t ensure survival. We still need saliva to begin the breaking down of the food, as well as the preservation of our teeth and the gums which hold them. And we also need mucous producing cells in the mouth to help form the saliva mix.

Remove any of those elements (oral cavity, teeth (upper & lower), gums, jaw-bone, salivary glands, mucous) and humans (and many other animals) never make it out of the box. Each of the elements is part of an integrated system in which one element cannot function, and serves no purpose, without all of the others already in place. Then of course there is the tongue – a complex multi-faceted organ in its own right, which is vital for chewing and swallowing food. In the back of the mouth, the tongue is anchored into the hyoid bone – which itself is anchored by various muscles and ligaments. Once swallowed, the pre-digested food passes through the pharynx (part of the throat) -- which is lined by more essential membranes and muscles – and moves down to the esophagus (food pipe).

Let’s review the pre-digestion process: oral cavity, teeth (upper & lower), gums, jaw bone, skull, saliva, mucous, tongue, hyoid bone, muscles, ligaments, pharynx, membranes, muscles, and esophagus. That’s 15 systems in all, each of them also highly complex, and each of them integrated with the other systems. Remove just one, and there can be no digestive system and hence, no species. Therefore, the elements of this grand orchestra had to have come into play at the same time – which implies, no, proves deliberate design. But we’re just getting started.

1. Just the individual contents of the mouth alone form a complex integrated system in which each part is useless without all others in place. 2. Complex Integration: Remove just component, and the whole structure becomes non-viable. 3. For that reason alone (although there are many other flaws) Darwin's ridiculous paper gets an "F."

Moving right along, gravity and contraction (more muscles) push the mix into the stomach where digestive enzymes really begin to break down the food. To block these powerful enzymes from literally “eating” the stomach itself, membranes called b]gastric mucosa produce a protective coating of mucous which lines the stomach. How genius is that? On to the duodenum -- the first section of the small intestine which leads to the large intestine. Along the journey there are more enzymes produced by the pancreas. Then it is down to the colon, (there is an ascending colon, a descending colon and a sigmoid colon) rectum, anal canal and out the anus -- where Darwin's stinky work-of-fiction truly belongs. Assisting the expulsion of bodily waste is the diaphragm -- a sheet of internal skeletal muscle made up of no fewer than a dozen different parts. Though it is mainly part of the respiratory system, the diaphragm also generates the pressure needed for waste disposal.

Key contributions to the process are also rendered by the liver, the gall bladder, the spleen, the cecum, and many more muscles and many more glands to numerous to name. And holding those muscles in place are a complex system of more ligaments fastened to more bones which are fastened to other bones etc. etc. etc. As for the liquids that we ingest, that speaks to a whole other complex integrated system of complex integrated systems involving kidneys, renal arteries, renal veins, urinary tracts, collecting ducts, bladder, pelvis etc[/b. Of course, all of this digestion is pointless without blood-flow to carry the food's nutrients throughout the body – which means that even more complex systems had to have been be put in place at the same time: blood, veins, arteries, capillaries. But the nutrient-carrying blood can’t flow through the vascular system without a pump and an oxidation system already in place, right? You need a set of heart & lungs which are the basis of the cardio-pulminary system -- an incredibly complex integrated structure made up of countless essential components such as the -- (well, you get the point -- we can go on forever with this --)

So, let’s take it from the top, boys and girls. All of the following complex elements must come into place at the same time in order for digestion to work:

oral cavity, teeth, gums, jaw-bone, skull, saliva, mucous, tongue, hyoid bone, muscles, ligaments, pharynx, membranes, more muscles, and esophagus, more muscles, stomach, digestive enzymes, gastric mucosa, duodenum, small intestine, large intestine, more enzymes, pancreas, ascending colon, descending colon, sigmoid colon, rectum, anal canal, anus, diaphragm, liver, gall bladder, spleen, cecum, more muscles, more glands, more ligaments, more bones, kidneys, renal arteries, renal veins, urinary tracts, collecting ducts, bladder, pelvis, blood, veins, arteries, capillaries, cardio-pulminary system, a bunch of other intregrated items and systems too numerous to list here and a partridge in a pear tree!

Each necessary component "blindly" evolved and integrated with all the others by itself --- one at a time, without design? Ha ha ha. --- "Intelligent and educated," my foot!

This mind-boggling complexity, -- which cannot be reduced by even a single element lest the species cease to exist -- becomes even more integrated and more complicated when studied on a molecular level --- the complex "4-digit" DNA “computer coding” behind it all. The mere suggestion of these integrated systems blindly “evolving,” one component at a time, independent of one another, in an “imperceptible” manner over millions of years is absurd on its face. As a matter of fact, St. Charles Darwin himself, in a pathetically futile effort to explain away the “problem” that integrated parts posed for his theory, admitted that his idea sounded “absurd in the highest degree.”

From his Origin of the Species:

“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

After objecting to his own theory (so that he can control the debate), Darwin proceeds, in the very next paragraph, to lamely explain away the "absurdity" of attributing the integrated complexity of the eye to random evolution. But his "solution" to the problem amounts to nothing but a diversionary debating trick.

“When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science."

Darwin is using an old lawyer's trick here. He states the objection, then casually explains it away by using a bizarre and totally irrelevant analogy to astronomy. He also adds a theatrical touch of Latin mumbo-jumbo to impress the easily-impressed. We're not talking about the sun and the earth and "Vox populi," Chuckie! The subject here is your admittedly "absurd"-sounding claim that the integrated complexity of organisms and body parts came about blindly, randomly, and one element at a time without any intelligence involved. Explain it for us!

Plato warned us to be on guard against the type of empty diversionary rhetoric that Darwin used to explain away the massive holes in his goofy theory of self-creating life coming blindly from non-life, and then putting its own integrated parts together.

Darwin continues:

"Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory.”

More slick sophistry and silly semantics -- An "if", followed by another "if," then a "can be," then an "if further," then a "should be," and a "could be," then a "though," and finally a "should not be." If elephants could fly -- If I could live forever -- If dogs could speak. If, maybe, perhaps, and, though, coulda, woulda, shoulda, mighta, but, but but, if, if, if... This then is what the academic cool-kids club refers to as "science?" This non-observable and wild speculation about "numerous gradations" of the eye's integrated components amounts to pure rhetorical manipulation -- not true science. Read it again closely. Darwin totally dodges the question and explains NOTHING to solve the mystery of complex integration -- a mind-boggling phenomena that is observable in all living creatures and even "simple" single-cell organisms.

As it is with the many essential integrated systems of an automobile -- each one absolutely necessary for the car as a whole to function -- (engine, transmission, wheels, axle, spark plugs, gas tank, battery, hoses, belts, ignition, alternator, steering wheel, gear shift, accelerator, carburetor, braking system, drive shaft, oil, coolant / anti-freeze, transmission fluid, containers for fluid, radiator, chassis, pistons, nuts, bolts, welded parts, etc.) -- only the existence of an eternal designing force without origin, permeating and communicating through every living cell of existence, possessed of freakish intelligence and power, and far beyond our lowly human "pay grade" to ever fully comprehend, can adequately explain the complex integration of multiple systems that neither Darwin nor his sci-fi cult of diploma-decorated dick-heads have ever been able to, and never will be.

Can you?

1. The 20th Century discovery of DNA codes which program our physical traits makes Darwin's problem of explaining away integrated complexity a million times even more complex. 2. Imagine car parts blindly "evolving" one at a time and "randomly" integrating themselves during a billion-year tornado. That is essentially what "educated" evolutionists, without a shred of observable precedent, believe to have happened in the living world. 3. You may be a whiz at mathematics and rhetoric, professor. But you're as bloody frickin' stupid as you are crazy!

Michael Barry #fundie michaelbarry.yolasite.com

Most of us also know that God took a rib from Adam in order to build Eve. The rib was taken before Eve came into existence. The rib was taken before any kind of contamination to the human genome. The rib was human flesh, blood and bone; human cells, chromosomes, genes and DNA. The rib was made of human cells that have the 24th human chromosome that produces the Tree Of Life organ attached to the appendix tube. Adam's rib cells are immortal human cells with 48 chromosomes (24 pairs), rather than our present 46 chromosomes (23 pairs).

My theories will also show you that Jesus was born from an uncontaminated rib cell. Jesus was born with a 24th pair of human chromosomes in his body cells, which produced the Tree Of Life organ attached to his appendix tube. Adam and Eve were born immortal (to begin with). Jesus was born immortal. My theories will show you that all human beings are destined to become immortal, after the 'first' death.

Skywatcher57 #fundie christiannews.net

Amy, something you obviously don't know is that "single-celled" amoebas WERE single-celled in Darwin's day because he had a very limited microscope. Technology has come a long ways since Darwin, and with telescopes MANY MORE times powerful than the one he used, they have since discovered that there are no single-celled anythings! Did you also know that Darwin confessed on his deathbed that he was sorry that he ever devised the evolutionary THEORY because it became a religion, and that was never his intent.

By the way...natural selection NEVER produced another species; the manipulation and interference of man has! When left alone, every species reproduces "after its own kind", just as God commanded... just as it has done now for thousands of years. Sadly, you're the product of a number of years of successful brainwashing by the school system. I'm sure that if we had the teaching that pedophilia was normal, you'd rise up against it. So, why don't you rise up against this deceitful THEORY that has never been proven and cannot be?

Mike King #fundie tomatobubble.com

Once upon a time, the Evolutionists assure us, a “simple single-cell life form” spontaneously emerged out of a protein-rich “primordial soup”, which, they assure us, also existed. Through the process of binary fission, single bacterial cells divided into multi-cellular organisms. Over billions of years, the family tree branched out to include all living things; from blades of grass, to maggots, to Marilyn Monroe. It’s amazing what a “simple” cell can do!

Charles Darwin had proposed that the very first cell, the universal common ancestor of all life forms, could have formed "in some warm little pond." One of Darwin's supporters, the German biologist (and proven forger) Ernst Haeckel, examined a mixture of mud removed from the sea bed and claimed that this was a nonliving substance that turned into a living one. This so-called "mud that comes to life," is an indication of just how simple life was thought to be by the founders of "The Theory of Evolution" (bow your head in solemn reverence as you say that).

By invoking the simplicity of that original simple cell, Evolution is made to sound somewhat plausible, at least to the easily impressed. The mispresentation of the original simple cell, slowly “evolving” into more complex cells, and then into actual creatures over time, is the only way that the Evolutionists can even begin to sell their junk-science. So, let’s attack the theory at its very root, "the simple cell".

To make life easier for the Evolutionists, let us grant them a generous 'head-start' by not even asking where the “Primordial Soup” came from, or the Sun, or the amino acids and protein building blocks, or how the Earth and its chemical components all got here. Let’s focus only on the cell. The word cell comes from Latin, cella, meaning "small room", which is essentially what the cell is. The cell is the basic structural and functional unit of all living organisms. Cells are the smallest form of life that can replicate independently.

Prokaryotic cells were the earliest and “simplest” forms of bacterial life on Earth, as they have a self-sustaining process built into them. A prokaryotic cell has three regions, each with its own components. On the outside, flagella and pili project from the cell's surface. These structures are made of proteins that facilitate movement and communication between cells.

Enclosing the cell itself is the cell envelope – which consists of a cell wall covering a plasma membrane and a further covering layer called a capsule. The envelope gives rigidity to the cell and also serves as a protective filter and barrier against exterior forces. It also prevents the cell from expanding and bursting from environmental pressures.

Finally, inside the cell is the cytoplasm region that contains the complex coded genome (DNA). Prokaryotes can also carry extra-chromosomal DNA elements called plasmids, which encode antibiotic resistance genes.

So you see, dear reader, this bacterial “simple cell” which accidentally, randomly, and “unintelligently” popped up out of the “soup” is not so simple, at all. It's actually a multi-functional, multi-component, integrated, well-oiled and living machine that cellular biologists can spend an entire lifetime studying. If it were possible to shrink yourself to the size of an atom, and enter the walls of the “simple single cell”, and gaze about this microscopic world-within-a-world like some awestruck tourist, you would marvel at the suddenly visible nanotechnology enveloping you. Only this bit of orchestrated technology actually lives, mends itself, protects itself, feeds itself, and, get this, reproduces itself!

Sorry Chuckie D., but integrated complexity and living nanotechnology does not spring up without intelligence behind it. Even the atoms, the tiniest particles of matter within the "simple" cell, demonstrate an ordered and integrated complexity of their own. Every atom is composed of a nucleus made of protons and neutrons. The nucleus is surrounded by a cloud of electrons. The electrons are bound to the atom by the electromagnetic force, and the protons and neutrons in the nucleus are bound to each other by the nuclear force. Nothing "simple" about nuclear physics, Chuck!

All "simple" life is complex and integrated; and cannot come from non-life. Intelligence cannot come from non-intelligence. Consciousness cannot come from non-consciousness. The Darwinists and the Big Bangers need to go back to the drawing board and ‘check their math’. They won't though, because Godlessness and conceited arrogance walk hand-in-hand.

The mathematical "fingerprints" of an intelligent creative force are everywhere - snowflakes, galactic swirls, insect wings.

INTRIGUED? READ 'THE GOD OF LOGIC' AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOAX OF EVOLUTION.

Sot #fundie forums.worldofwarcraft.com

the most complicated molecule known to man is a DNA molecule, if life were to work by natural selection the most complex would have had to come first as far as life goes. a single celled organism is more complicated than a single cell of multi-celled organism. the theory of going from simple to more complex fails in that the complex came before the simple. and that's undeniable. also if a multicelled organism, say needs several different specialized organs made from different cells than how would these organs form over time not having the other organs they rely on to live in the first place.

Jesus Admirer #fundie bibleforums.org

Question: How much faith would it take to believe that a puddle of primordial soup eventually grew into living organisms, which adventually evolved into male and female human beings?(The myth & faith of evolutionists) To believe that a puddle of primordial soup would become living cells and organisms would require a leap of faith in the first place, but then for these simple organisms to evolve into complex cells and organisms would require another giant leap of faith, but then to believe these complex organisms divided themselves into male & female organisms, which is required to produce new life would require gigantic leaps of faith, which is what evolution really is based on by many atheistic Scientists who don’t want to be accountable to a Creator, whether there’s a Creator or not. Evolution has failed to explain how life is made up of male and female species, which requires both to reproduce, which makes life impossible to spring forth from primordial soup as evolutionists believe with their gigantic leap of faith in the religion of evolution.

Mr. Answer #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Evolutionists will say no. But the truth is that the monkey came from the giraffe.

Evolution is utter nonsense. In the 40's and 50's evolution scientists and other proponents of evolution claimed that life developed in a primordial ocean soup as a single cell and then the cells miraculously decided with their little cell brains to join together to make complex multi-cell organisms and then these multi cell organisms started to make blood systems, nervous systems, hearts, eyes, mouths, teeth and then these lifeforms decided to climb out of the sea and become lizards, birds and even man. This is the BIGGEST FAIRY TALE of ALL TIME. Now prominent scientists are trying to distance themselves from the obsurdity of this evolutionary theory. Evolutionists now claim that they DO NOT and NEVER DID teach that cells climbed out of the ocean to make man and all other land based lifeforms. Evolutionists are liars. Just pick up any evolutionary text book from the 50's and read it!

Please note in the article below that has just hit the news wires that the "scientists" have discovered that the "fastest-known evolving animal has NOT CHANGED PHYSICALLY over LONG PERIODS of time! Now the "PROOF" for evolution is that the DNA is changing. Yea right. . . More fairy tale evolutionary nonsense!

And the tuatara is the FASTEST EVOLVING ANIMAL! I guess 200 million years isn’t quite enough for a significant PHYSICAL CHANGE! The tuatara should have developed wings by now!

Navaros #fundie forum.dune2k.com

Right now I am having propaganda being shoved down my throat by a supposedly-reputable "NEWS"cast. This propaganda is advocating the freakish, abominable act of Satanism known as Test Tube Babies, or IVF.

Man is not God. Man should not pretend to be God. Test Tube Babies is going wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too far.

All Test Tube Babies as well as anyone who in any way participates in any procedures that relate to the creation of such Abominations or laws that allow it - should be executed without trial.

Test Tube Babies are Unholy Abominations and just plain ol' Freaks of Nature.

For Men who see fit to play God, it's time for them to be executed without delay and go have some "Quality Time" with the one and only REAL God; whereupon they will receive just recompense for their participation in the evil, ungodly Test Tube Baby Satanic Rituals.

[What about people who cant have children but can if they put them in a test tube?]

then they weren't meant to have children! so they should stop OBSESSING over something they weren't meant to have!!!

i'd like to make $20 Million a year as a Professional Athlete, what about me?HuhHuh!!!!!!!!!! I can't do it, but I really really really want to!!!! So why doesn't someone invent a barbaric, demonic procedure to help ME out with what *I* want?

the reason: because I am not obsessed with trying to have what I was not meant to have! but with Test Tube Babies, there are tons of mentally-deranged sickos whose illness causes them to do perverted things like obsess over things they have no need to obsess over; and these obsessions cause them to partake in demonic acts such as making Test Tube Babies

‘Uncle Mikey’ #crackpot projectavalon.net

Eukaryotic Cell Biology vs. The Tabernacle in the Wilderness


At the Organelle Scale of the Kingdom of God Within, we find ourselves at the Tabernacle in the Wilderness.

The Tabernacle (Mishkan) was the first dwelling place for God in Scripture...

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"

See that?

The Word was made flesh and became the Tabernacle.

When we studied the Word of God at the Molecular Scale, we saw that the Words...

Adenine
Cytosine
Guanine
Thymine

...became DNA.

DNA eventually forms our Temples, that is to say... our Bodies...

1 Corinthians 6:19
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

That's right.

Tabernacles and Temples in Scripture, represent Human Bodies.

In fact, when studying the descriptions given to Moses on how to build the Tabernacle in the Wilderness, we find that they truly do describe a Body.

Oh, but not the kind of Body we generally think of when we hear that word.

No.

Remember...

Scripture is a book of Mysteries Revealed.

The kind of Body Scripture has revealed to us is only the size of a Biological Cell!

A Eukaryote Cell to be exact...

"A eukaryote is any organism whose cells contain a nucleus and other organelles enclosed within membranes"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote

A Eukaryote Cell is what we Humans start of as, after the Moment of Conception.

This first cell is called a Zygote ("joined" or "yoked") formed by a fertilization event between two gametes...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygote

The Zygote eventually splits and multiplies to form specific types of Cells...

Acts 12:24
"But the word of God grew and multiplied"

By some estimates, there are approximately 216 different types of Cells in the Human Body such as Nerve Cells, Muscle Cells, Blood Cells, Organ Cells, etc.

Remember...

6 * 6 * 6 = 216

So who's body does the Tabernacle belong to?

Hebrews 10:20
"By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh"

Jesus Christ of course.

Thus, we see that the Messiah was conceived by God and the Israelites in the desert and nurtured as they wandered for forty years.

Note that forty weeks is how long a typical pregnancy is...

Numbers 11:12
"Have I conceived all this people? have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?"

Lol.

You kinda sorta did there Moses! (Metaphorically speaking of course).

So think about this for a moment. If we use a bit of logic we come to the realization that the Tabernacle is also a picture of Mary's pregnancy!

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Now...

Because there are so many types of Cells to study, we will use this generic version found on Wikipedia...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organelle

...in order to focus on the various components or Organelles.

In the proceeding chapters, we will see how these molecules have combined to become what Biologists call "Organelles".

These Organelles match up precisely with the components of the Tabernacle in the Wilderness...

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The Ark of the Covenant represents the Nucleolus. This is where the story of DNA begins.

The Most Holy Place represents the Nucleus and Chromatin, where the Chromosomes are.

The Covering of 23 Skins represents the Rough Endoplasmic Reticulum.

The Veil separating the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place represents the Nuclear Membrane.

The Cherubim sewn onto the Veil represent Chromatin and Chromosomes.

The Parting of the Veil represents Nuclear Pores.

The Sprinkling of Blood represents Ribosomes.

The Smooth Endoplasmic Reticulum represents the Brazen Altar.

The Mitochondrion represents the Candlestick, sometimes called the Menorah.

The Table of Shewbread represents the Golgi Apparatus.

The Altar of Incense represents Vesicles.

The Brazen Laver represents Cytoplasm.

The Twin Corner Pillars (on West Wall) represent Centrosomes.

The Various Frames, Bars, Ropes, etc. represent the Cytoskeleton.

The Food Offerings represent Vacuoles.

The Pans, Shovels, Waste, etc. represent Lysosomes.

The Courtyard Fence represents the Outer Cell Membrane.

Etc.

Again, we will cover these in more detail as we go along.

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We begin our Organelle journey within the Heart of it all... the Ark of the Covenant.

The Ark of the Covenant can be found inside the Most Holy Place and represents the Nucleolus.

The Nucleolus is found inside the Cell Nucleus (the round purple area in our Generic Cell Diagram).

Something important worth mentioning here is that the Ark really consists of two parts...

The square 'box' where Holy Items are stored, and the Mercy Seat or 'lid' so to speak (where the Two Cherubim are).

We will get to the Mercy Seat in a bit.

Inside the Ark, we find three items...

Two Tables of the Testimony (AKA Ten Commandments)
The Golden Pot of Manna
Aaron's Rod that Budded

How these compare with a Nucleolus is so spot-on, it quickly becomes apparent that this is not just mere coincidence.

In fact, all of the Tabernacle Furniture matches up with Cell Organelles in ways that are so obvious (even to a Fourth Grader) one has to wonder why this isn't a mainstream teaching in Church Sermons all across the globe.

Is there a 'cover-up' to hide this information?

You be the judge.

Let's start with this slide of the Ark Contents...

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Hebrews 9:4
"Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant"

In the slide we see that the Two Tables of the Testimony, or Ten Commandments matches up with Nucleobases.

The Golden Pot of Manna matches up with Deoxyribose.

Aaron's Rod that Budded matches up with the Phosphorus Backbone or the 'Serpent' strands we see in a typical representation of DNA.

We will study each of these components in more detail in order to have good understanding of what they are and how they relate to one another.

Just about everyone has heard of Moses and the Ten Commandments, and so the first item on our list is one of the most easily recognizable...

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Exodus 31:18
"And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God"

The Two Tables were written on by God himself.

They literally are the Word of God.

Every single living Cell contains something similar called 'Nucleobases'.

As we learned in a previous chapter, Nucleobases are the 'Words' that form all life as we know it...

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth"

They are also called 'Nitrogenous Bases' because Nitrogen is the primary Element they are made of.

Thus, the "Stone with Seven Eyes" or Seven Electrons (mentioned in Zechariah 3:9), is the Chemical Element Nitrogen...

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Zechariah 3:9
"For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day"

Nitrogen is Element Seven in the Periodic Table of Elements...

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Now we see why Seven is God's favorite number!

Notice the Stone with Seven Eyes has an engraving on it?

The engraving would be the Word of God...

A = Adenine
C = Cytosine
G = Guanine
T = Thymine

Once the Stone with Seven Eyes has been engraved, it now become a Nucleobase.

Note that Zerubbabel, who is mentioned in Zechariah, may be one of God's Top Bioengineers as he is privy to much of this highly advanced information...

Zechariah 4:10
"For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth"

These Words/Nucleobases eventually combine to form something called RNA.

That brings us to Aaron's Rod that Budded...

S. M. Campbell #fundie fpchurch.org.uk

So what exactly is the theory of evolution? It tries to explain how life first began; and it tries to explain how this first form of life changed over long periods of time, producing new life forms, which then changed into other life forms.

When we consider evolution, it is important to remember that it is not a scientific fact but a belief; so it is a religious approach to how life began. Those who believe in evolution like to present it as scientific fact, but the evidence to support this approach just does not exist. There are some things in the Bible which we accept on faith because we do not have hard evidence for it; as the Bible itself says, “through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear” (Heb 11:3).

Creationists and evolutionists have the same evidence but interpret it in different ways and so come up with different conclusions. This is because they are starting from different belief viewpoints. Evolutionists will argue against this but, as we go on to look at their “evidence” in future months, God willing, we will come to see that “faith” is required to make the link between this evidence and their final conclusions. We will also consider evidence which clearly supports a belief in the Bible’s account of creation.

Evolutionists outline a general progression for the evolution of living organisms. It starts, they claim, with a single-cell organism which evolved into one with lots of cells. Then some of these organisms evolved into different plant forms and others into fish, some of which evolved into land amphibians, which in turn evolved into reptiles, and so on. Various timelines are produced showing the different branches of evolution for the different categories of living organisms and ending with the appearance of mankind, supposedly evolving, at last, from apes.

Scientists have carried out many experiments trying to prove that nonliving material can come alive. A well-known experiment, sometimes called the Urey-Miller Experiment, was carried out in 1953 at the University of Chicago. Its aim was to demonstrate that amino acids, which join together to make up proteins, could have come into existence by chance billions of years ago on the lifeless earth. Miller managed to synthesise three out of 20 amino acids, and the evolutionary world was delighted. Here was the proof they had been looking for!

But there were serious flaws in the experiment and in the conclusions drawn from it. Even scientists who believe in evolution accept that the experiment does not prove very much – just that some amino acids can be synthesised under rigorously-controlled laboratory conditions which are not even the same as those on early earth.

Proteins are known to be the “building blocks of life”; as already mentioned, they are made up of different combinations of amino acids. Another scientist, Sydney Fox from Florida State University, tried to advance on Miller’s experiment by showing that proteins could bring the evolutionary world one step closer to synthesising life. Fox managed to join a number of amino acids together under specific artificial conditions. These linked amino acids were supposed to be similar to protein molecules, but were not actually protein molecules, Fox named them “proteinoids”. So the “building blocks” of life have not yet been synthesised. Even if they had been, it would have needed faith and imagination then to conclude that, just because proteins had been made, life would follow.

Until the late 1800s many people believed in spontaneous generation – the idea that life could arise spontaneously from non-living matter. For instance, people thought that rats could form from flour in bags on a bakery floor, that one could get mice by mixing sweaty clothes with husks of wheat! Such beliefs seem ridiculous to us today but they are no more ridiculous than the “spontaneous generation” beliefs of many evolutionists. They insist that, with the right mixture of chemicals and the right amount of energy in the right sort of conditions, life started on this planet.

Charles Darwin is possibly the name most associated with the idea of evolution. But what made Darwin put forward this theory of organisms evolving without a “Designer”? He had a daughter called Annie who died as a young girl. He could not come to terms with this and began to question God and His goodness. He asked himself: If God is good, how could He have allowed my daughter to die? As a result, he could not accept that God exists and decided that Annie was the unfortunate victim of the laws of nature. And so Darwin tried to expel God out of his world; he did so by denying the truth of God’s existence. He then had to find other explanations for how life began, and so put forward the theory of evolution. Many evolutionist sources like to play down the fact that Darwin turned his back on Christianity.

So evolution is the belief that the universe and all living organisms within it arose from chance. Holding tightly onto this belief, scientists who believe in evolution look for evidence and try to interpret it in such a way as to justify their belief.

Brandon McCombs #fundie groups.google.com

On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:53:46 -0500
"n7...@swbell.net" <n7...@swbell.net> wrote:
> I have been following this thread with a mixture of amusement and exasperation - amusement that intelligent people like Linus, who ought to know better, are spouting this evolution stuff, and exasperation that some people think that because someone's an expert in one thing, they are an expert in all things.

No offense toward anyone but I find that many non-religious people can be found in the CompSci area of expertise. I'm not sure why this is but besides myself and another friend all the other people I know in that general field are atheists. It would only make sense that we would hear atheist type remarks within these discussions just as we would hear Christian remarks in another field of expertise that seems to attract Christians.

>
> The idea of genetic evolution itself is complete nonsense - biological systems don't evolve genetically, they evolve environmentally. Biological systems change as a result of random mutation, and what doesn't work doesn't survive. What people try to pass off as evolution is simply the less fit not surviving to pass on their bad genes. Sort of like the hundred monkeys idea.

True. Many mutations in human DNA cause the resulting human to be unable to reproduce once they reach the age where a normal human could do so.


>
> But that is all completely irrelevent to coding, since it is extremely inefficient for systems to "evolve" based on trial and error. The way modern systems evolve is based on (hopefully) *intelligent* selection - I write a patch, submit it to Linus. He doesn't accept it, throw it in the kernel, and that's it - he looks at it, what it does, and decides if it fits in the Grand Scheme of things - kernel efficiency, speed, flexibility, extensability, and maintainability - and *then* decides if it makes it in. They key difference is that in nature, mutation is random because it can afford to be - in coding, it isn't because we don't have thousands or millions of years to find out whether or not something works or not.

We have a way of being able to direct the evolution of our code as we can control the bad parts and teh good parts and what gets added and what doesn't. We have no control over our DNA (human genetics may have proven me wrong already but if not, it shouldn't take more than a few months more) so mutations in the human race are more random.

>
> That being said, I am well aware that "genetic programming" has made some progress in that direction, mainly because it doesn't take millenia to figure out what works and what doesn't. But that's a long way from "evolving" an entire operating system. I don't believe for a moment that homo sapiens "evolved" from pond scum although I might believe that some fellow homo sapiens *are* pond scum!) -

*finally* someone who doesn't believe in evolution of the human race. As a side note, i've heard some people say that a bolt of lightning triggered some proteins to start growing into single celled organisms and then into what we now call today human beings. I take offense that I came from a single celled organism. I believe the more complex an object or system is the less randomness can be added in order to arrive at the current/final version. I think we all agree the human body is the most complex object in the universe so how can we say that our existence was an accident?

An operating system is a complex system as well. We all know code doesn't evolve on its own to generate an operating system right? :) It has to be created and as time goes on code forks are sometimes introduced. In humans that could be somewhat akin to whites, blacks, asians, etc. But they were all created from the code that God started with. He just released his source code(dna) a little later in the development tree than some people may have wanted so there was no point in letting us evolve into something more as we were already different enough. :)

>it only makes sense that we are a created species, and that Homo Erectus ans all the rest were early genetic > experiments. Who created homo sapiens is beyond the scope of this discussion ;)

It is beyond the scope. If we attempted that topic we would be branded as close-minded even though the others (read: non-religious) can do it and they defend themselves by saying its free speech.

my time is out for this post.
brandon

ken d #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Evolution is not even a scientific hypothesis, since there is no conceivable way in which it can be tested.
"Science", however, is not supposed to be something one "believes". Science is knowledge—that which can be demonstrated and observed and repeated. Evolution cannot be proved, or even tested; it can only be believed.

one must weigh the evidence

the evidence for evolution is, and has always been lacking
too much extrapolation and hypotheticals and overwhelming probabilities

the evidence for creation is more believable

1 - Where did the space for the universe come from?
2 - where did matter come from?
3 - Where did the laws of the universe come from? (Gravity, inertia, etc.)
4 - How did matter get so perfectly organized?
5 - Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
6 - When, where, why and how did life come from dead matter?
7 - When, where, why and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
8 - With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
9 - Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
10 - How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books)
11 - Is is possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
12 - Natural Selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep the species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occured if evolution were true?
13 - When, where, why and how did: a) single-celled plants become multi-celled (where are the two-and three-celled intermediates?), b) single-celled animals evolve?, c) fish change to amphibians?, d) amphibians change to reptiles?, e) reptiles change to birds? (
the lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?
14 - When, where, why, how and from what did: a) whales evole?, b) sea horses evolve, c) bats evolve?, d) eyes evolve?, e) ears evolve?, f) hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc evolve?
15 - Which evolved first (how and how long did it work without the others): a)digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the bodies resistance to its own digestive juices (stomach, intestines, etc)? b) the drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) the lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) the termite or the flagella and its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) the plants or the insects that live on them pollonatte the plants? g) the bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply or muscles to move the bone? h) the nervous system , repair system or hormone system? i) the immune system or the need for it?


try and remember the very first thing you were taught about evolution and what was repeated to you over and over:

that evolution is a 'fact', even before you were presented so called evidence. It stuck.

caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

You know what I give up. Not because I'm losing but because. What have I won If I explained something to a foolish man. He's still foolish. I"m not going to play the circle game all day with someone who seams to just want to but heads. Perhaps if you stopped reading things in a biased angle you wouldn't be were you are now. twin nested hierarchy is a pretty funny concept too. Well since we all share smiliar traits we must have all came from a common Ancestor aka the single celled organism. In reality we should be amazed that God can create and did create so many life forms with similiarities. To believe we came from an A sexual single celled organism to a organism with reproductive organs for mating is in it's self stupid. Then carring that idea to a fish and plant and later to a creature on land that grew legs. Fish in the sea today still don't have legs as far as we can remember, and last time I check they didn't want to walk on land. But the fairy tale sounds fun to believe. Have a pet fish? Go ahead and throw it out of its fish bow and tell it to walk and breath. Evolution will grab ahold of it right and for survival it will walk. lol Dummiest theories of the world today lay in science. Science can have all the angles it wants to lie. Yes I said lie because the only way out of a lie is the truth. And no self pride loving scientist is going to back down. They'll simple create more oopsie to back old oopsie. Its just that simple.

evolutionistsareidiots.com #fundie evolutionisforidiots.com

Requirements of Atheism:

1) If you are an atheist, you should not acknowledge the year. 2007 years since what? The birth of Jesus of course. You should consider the year something like 2,478,256,972, to acknowledge when the rock (or other unknown, unspecified inanimate matter) gave birth to the paramecium (or other unknown, unspecified single-celled organism) in the magic soup that nobody can prove existed.

2) If you are an atheist, you should not celebrate New Year’s Eve. Again, it is an acknowledgment of the length of time that has passed since the birth of Jesus.

3) If you are an atheist, you should not use the word “love.” Since God is love, you should not use this term to describe how you feel about people or pets, since you do not believe it exists. Use a term like “have positive chemical reactions when near,” or other atheism-compliant descriptive terms.

ILJ1917 #fundie christianforums.com

I don't know much about Mithraism, but I do know that Christianity can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Below are basic "facts" that show this. I am sure the same can't be said for Mithraism or any other religion. Hope it helps!

1 – Proving the Existence of God
A. Humans Know Right from Wrong
1. If there was a power outside of the universe, the only way that we could expect it to show itself would be inside ourselves as an influence trying to get us to behave a certain way
2. This is an inherent moral law that directs our instincts
3. The difference between the moral law in different cultures and different times is minimal, so you can recognize the same moral law directing all of them
4. If humans evolved out of single-cell organisms, then they would not have this inherent moral law, which is the case with all other animals
5. Therefore, there must be somebody or something that gave them this sense of right and wrong
B. Uncaused Cause
1. Existence and non-existence cannot both be present
2. Existence is present, therefore non-existence, or nothingness, is not present
3. It is impossible for something to arise from nothing, therefore existence has always been present
4. In existence, there is always a cause for something to occur
5. Since existence has always been present, and causes are required in existence, we can conclude that something must have always been present (uncaused)
6. Based on prevailing scientific opinion, the universe began to exist (i.e. Big Bang Theory)
7. Since the universe began to exist, something that has always been present must have caused it to exist (created it)
i. The creator of the universe must be greater than the universe itself
ii. Based on the design of created things, the creator must have been intelligent (more intelligent than humans, which are the most intelligent creatures on earth)
iii. Based on the diversity of creation, the creator must have been creative
iv. The creator must be eternal, since existence has always been present
v. These are all characteristics of the Christian God

Unknown author #fundie breatharian.info

This is a state of man (inediate, not-eater, breatharian) characterized by the absence of eating, resulting from (or rather being a stage on the way to) expanding of the Consciousness sphere in which man lives. In general an ideal (fully realized) inediate, breatharian or not-eater has no need to eat or drink to keep the body working perfectly. A breatharian consumes no food and no drink, they needs only air to nourish the body.

Many not-eaters (even if they call themselves a breatharian) drink water, tea, coffee or other beverages from time to time. Some of them, in order to satisfy the sense of taste, eat a piece of chocolate, a cookie, some cheese, horseradish or something else once in a while. The not-eating state of an inediate, breatharian, not-eater doesn't require any ascetic practices of the body. This is more about the freedom of choice and a lot of benefits.

A person who regularly drinks liquid food, e.g. fruit juices, can't be called an inediate, breatharian or not-eater. This is a diet called liquidarianism. Also, we don't call a person an inediate or breatharian when he/she is fasting or on a starvation diet. Also in these cases food is not (or almost not) consumed during some time, but such situation lasts only temporary and then food consumption is resumed or the person dies. An inediate or breatharian, never starves or dies for lack of food because his/her body needs not matter called food.

Permanent not-eating, inedia or breatharianism are states which usually appear as a side effect of expanding one's sphere of the Consciousness. However there are also many cases that this state happened unexpectedly and lasted for months or years. A person who by force tries to refrain from eating can't be called an inediate or breatharian. Such action, if prolonged, is harmful to the body and can lead to death. Fasting and starvation diet are different subjects the inedia, breatharianism and not-eating.

Becoming an inediate or breatharian results (often as a side effect) on a way of expanding the sphere of the Consciousness which the person lives in. Inedia, breatharianism is more like a characteristic features of a life style and is not limited to just stopping all food intake. Because an inediate or breatharian sets him/herself free from the need to feed the body, he/she has the choice to eat or not to eat, but one thing is for sure, a real inediate or breatharian does not need to eat to keep the body working normally.

Explanations for the open-minded. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." No matter whether we believe in something or not, the phenomenon takes place irrespective of our knowledge or belief. Besides, no matter how we try to explain it, is the explanation arrived at really so important? The most important thing is that from the beginning of our civilization, there always were people who never ate. Such people existed, exist and will exist, which means that we too have this capability. We only need to find a way to adapt the body to a different kind of energy processing.

Explanation for an esoteric person: Ubiquitous energy, whether called prana, qi, ki, orgon, liquid light or by other names, maintains the organism of someone who doesn't eat. A human body can be powered by prana if the subconscious (which manages the body metabolism and shapes the physical body) acquires the skill of automatic transformation of ubiquitous prana to satisfy the needs of a human body.

Explanation for those scientifically-minded: Of all the other organisms, the human body is the most complicated, integrated and self-regulated energetic system. It is complicated and in many aspects unexplored computer-mechanic-chemical formation, controlled by the brain with the whole layout of magnetic, electric and gravity radiation. This complicated machine can be adapted to all possible living conditions on Earth, if given enough time and developed in right way. We haven't fully explored the human organism energy system. One of the ways of powering human body is energy and substances created by the chemical and physical factory of the body (excretory and respiratory system). Apart from this powering system, there is another, a reserve one (or maybe major one but moved away to the reserve role), which is able to transform the available energy directly. This powering system transforms the energy directly into matter, so in this way all that the organism needs.

The pineal gland is claimed to have a crucial role in this process. This hypothesis is confirmed by research undergone on some people, where CAT scanning shows a significant enlargement of this gland. The pineal gland manages (like a central processing unit) the mechanism of direct energy exchange between the organism cell and the surroundings (it actually occurs at a sub-atom level).One explanation, purely scientific, which comes from a nuclear physic says as follows: the organism consists of tissues, which are built of chemical molecules, and next these molecules are built of atoms. Atoms consist of electrons and protons, which are built of smaller elements. As the result of this way of looking for an origin element, we reach the point, where the matter does not exist. There, we have only something, which we can call vibrational whirls of energy.

As long as history exists it has been known under different definitions, for example prana, orgon, light. Hence such definitions originated such as "living on light" or "prana nourishment". All the matter which exists in the Universe, including the human body, is comprised of whirls of vibrational energy. The human body is the best well-known sophisticated, programmable and simultaneously self-controlled electronic-physical-chemical machine with a central management system, called the brain. There are centers in the brain, which manage body energy and chemistry (mainly pineal gland and pituitary). In this way, the organism lives and builds itself using these whirls of energy.

Explanation for a deeply religious person: God is everything. There is nothing which exists without God, there is nothing which has not been created by God. The inconceivable and almighty God is the only One and the highest perfection. Since the Almighty God has created everything and He/She/It is the highest inconceivable perfection, He/She/It can bestow the ability to live without eating on people of His/Her/Its choice. Since God is inconceivable and almighty, it is no use asking how God is able to do this. Important is the fact that God can and does select people to receive this grace. We can ask God for the grace of not eating, because God listens to sincere requests of the devoted children.

Mike King #fundie tomatobubble.com

One of the ironies of the crackpot theory of "Evolution" TM, is that the deceitful dogma itself is always "evolving." Since the 1860's inception of Darwinian doctrine, mad scientists have bickered endlessly about how "Evolution" TM actually played out, never questioning the basic foundational assumption that life spontaneously, with neither reason nor guidance, emerged from non-life in the first place.

From Darwin's Origin of the Specious Species to the present day, the case for "Evolution" TM must, by necessity, rely upon the classic logical fallacies that are so evident to philosophers; yet completely invisible to arrogant "theoretical scientists" emotionally attached to a dogma disguised as "science." This idiotic article by renown "science journalist" and author Nicholas Wade is no different.

Haz Mat suits and goggle on. Into the "Primordial Soup" (or is it "deep sea vents" now?) we "wade" (corny pun intended).

"Shhhh, Mr. Wade. You must never tell anyone about the Anti-New York Times."

Wade: A surprisingly specific genetic portrait of the ancestor of all living things has been generated by scientists who say that the likeness sheds considerable light on the mystery of how life first emerged on Earth.

Rebuttal: Notice how it is already assumed, without evidence, that "all living things" have a common ancestor. (fallacy of assumed truth)

Wade: This venerable ancestor was a single-cell, bacterium-like organism. But it has a grand name, or at least an acronym. It is known as Luca, the Last Universal Common Ancestor, and is estimated to have lived some four billion years ago, when Earth was a mere 560 million years old.

Rebuttal: Mr. Wade, before you school us dumb plebes about Luca's birthplace, please prove to us that Luca even existed; and then prove how Luca "evolved" into other species; which in turned "evolved" and "evolved" millions of times into all current life forms. And by "proof," we mean observational evidence -- the very definition of the Scientific Method.

Wade: The new finding sharpens the debate between those who believe life began in some extreme environment, such as in deep sea vents or the flanks of volcanoes, and others who favor more normal settings, such as the “warm little pond” proposed by Darwin.

Rebuttal: Whatever happened to the "Primordial Soup" TM theory?

You see, these erudite eggheads love to "debate" endlessly over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, without ever demonstrating that there were actually any angels dancing on the pin, at all!

"Luca! We have you surrounded. Come out of that sea vent with your flagella up. And don't try any of that binary fission business"

They found little Luca in the deep sea, not the Primordial Soup as had once been theorized.

Wade: The nature of the earliest ancestor of all living things has long been uncertain because the three great domains of life (bacteria, plants, animals) seemed to have no common point of origin.

Rebuttal: Mr. Wade, has it ever occurred to you and your sci-fi cult that the reason why the various domains "seem to have no common point of origin" is because maybe, just maybe, they do not have a "common point of origin?"

Wade: Specialists have recently come to believe that the bacteria and archaea were the two earliest domains, with the eukaryotes emerging later. That opened the way for a group of evolutionary biologists, ... to try to discern the nature of the organism from which the domains emerged.

Translation: The high-priests of "Evolution" TM have just concocted a new theory to explain away the gaping holes in the previous theories.

Wade: Their starting point was the known protein-coding genes of bacteria and archaea. Some six million such genes have accumulated over the last 20 years in DNA databanks as scientists with the new decoding machines have deposited gene sequences from thousands of microbes.

Rebuttal: "DNA decoding machines" were used to sniff out little Luca --- (palm to face, deep sigh, shaking head)

Wade: Genes that do the same thing in a human and a mouse are generally related by common descent from an ancestral gene in the first mammal.

Rebuttal: The belief in the "common descent" between a human and a mouse is based on the fallacious prior assumption that we all came from Luca. It can just as easily be argued that DNA similarities between Mickey Mouse and Mickey Mantle are due to both of them having been designed by the same Creative Force which Tesla, Edison, Einstein (puke) all believed to exist. Hence, genetic similarities between the two Mickeys can be explained as cross-associations / basic templates of the same life-transmitting Creative Force which animates the universe.

Will the wonders of modern "science" ever cease?! The new Super Duper Decoding Machine not only links Mickey Mantle to the rodent family; it traced the birth of Luca to a deep sea vent!

Wade: By comparing their sequence of DNA letters, genes can be arranged in evolutionary family trees, a property that enabled Dr. Martin and his colleagues to assign the six million genes to a much smaller number of gene families.

Rebuttal: One can arrange and categorize the various "families" of automobiles (trucks, sports cars, SUV's, luxury cars, go-carts etcp) into a "tree" with many branches. Would their common component similarities therefore "prove" that Ferraris blindly "evolved" from school-buses?

Wade: Genes are adapted to an organism’s environment.

Rebuttal: Wrong again, Mr, Wade! The gene pool is not "adaptable." What happens sometimes is that environmental changes will favor one existing genetic trait over another. Hence, those specimens without the trait are at a disadvantage while those with it will prosper and produce offspring. This might explain why one group of finches has a beak like this while another group of finches has a beak like that. But it damn sure cannot explain how Marylyn Monroe and a putrid maggot have the same 1 millionth grandmother!

Wade: So Dr. Martin hoped that by pinpointing the genes likely to have been present in Luca, he would also get a glimpse of where and how Luca lived.

Rebuttal: "Likely to have been present in Luca" --- that's called conjecture, not science.

Wade: “I was flabbergasted at the result, I couldn’t believe it,” he said.

Rebuttal: We can't either.

Wade: The 355 genes pointed quite precisely to an organism that lived in the conditions found in deep sea vents, the gassy, metal-laden, intensely hot plumes caused by seawater interacting with magma erupting through the ocean floor.

Rebuttal: Cheese and crackers! We can't even find lost civilizations from a few thousand years ago and this academic ass-clown found little Luca in a deep sea vent?

Wade: Deep sea vents are surrounded by exotic life-forms and, with their extreme chemistry, have long seemed places where life might have originated.

Rebuttal: "Seemed" -- "might have." Save the speculative words for Star Trek or Jurassic Park, not the Science Section of a newspaper that so many people actually place trust in.

1- Mr. Spock of Star Trek says: "Evolution is not logical."

2- Some evolutionists now believe that T-Rex "evolved" into a bird.

Wade: The 355 genes ascribable to Luca include some that metabolize hydrogen as a source of energy as well as a gene for an enzyme called reverse gyrase, found only in microbes that live at extremely high temperatures...

Rebuttal: So, some of the genes "ascribed to" (speculative) this ancestral organism called Luca (never proved to have existed), are found in microbes that live at high temperature. Therefore, Mickey Mantle and Mickey Mouse, Marilyn and the maggot do all have a common ancestor after all. Brilliant! (palm to face, deep sigh, shaking head)

Wade: The finding has “significantly advanced our understanding of what Luca did for a living,” James O. McInerney of the University of Manchester wrote in a commentary, and provides “a very intriguing insight into life four billion years ago.”

Rebuttal: How does one even begin to respond to this madness?

Wade: Dr. Martin... argues that Luca is very close to the origin of life itself. The organism is missing so many genes necessary for life that it must still have been relying on chemical components from its environment. Hence it was only “half alive,” he writes.

Rebuttal: In other words, the "Luca-was-born-in-a-sea-vent" theory has so many holes that it requires another band-aid theory to keep it viable --- the "half alive" theory.

Wade: The fact that Luca depended on hydrogen and metals favors a deep sea vent environment for the origin of life, Dr. Martin concludes, rather than the land environment posited in a leading rival theory proposed by the chemist John Sutherland of the University of Cambridge in England.

Rebuttal: Wade, with his "Luca-was-born-in-a-sea-vent" theory, is seeking to dethrone Sutherland and his "Luca-was-born-on-land" theory as the crackpot theorist of the year. This heated competition among psychos has always been a comical feature of "theoretical science."

Wade: Luca and the origin of life are “events separated by a vast distance of evolutionary innovation,” said Jack Szostak of Massachusetts General Hospital, who has studied how the first cell membranes might have evolved.

Rebuttal: This crackpot believes in cellular life before Luca --- which means that there was another great great great grandma Luca long before "sea vent" Luca was born.

Wade: Dr. Sutherland too gave little credence to the argument that Luca might lie in some gray transition zone between nonlife and life just because it depended on its environment for some essential components. “It’s like saying I’m half alive because I depend on my local supermarket.”

Rebuttal: The lunatic Sutherland is dismissing the lunatic Martin. Just another day at the asylum of modern academia. Let the "academic debate" begin!

Wade: Dr. Sutherland and others have no quarrel with Luca’s being traced back to deep sea vents. But that does not mean life originated there, they say. Life could have originated anywhere and later been confined to a deep sea environment because of some catastrophic event like the Late Heavy Bombardment, which occurred 4 billion to 3.8 billion years ago.

Rebuttal: The Late Heavy Bombardment? What the heck was that?

Wade: This was a rain of meteorites that crashed into Earth with such force that the oceans were boiled off into an incandescent mist.

Rebuttal: Mr. Wade, can you cite for us the observational evidence for this "rain of meteorites" and the "boiling off" of the oceans?

Wade: Life is so complex it seems to need many millions of years to evolve.

Rebuttal: Circular logic! It goes like this:

"Life takes 'million of years' to 'evolve' --- We cannot observe this because it played out over 'millions of years.' "

Once upon a time, the meteors rained, the oceans boiled, and out popped little Luca -- with his millions of complex DNA codes, cell wall, cell membrane, cell plasma and flagella already intact.

Wade: Dr. Sutherland, working from basic principles of chemistry, has found that ultraviolet light from the sun is an essential energy source to get the right reactions underway, and therefore that land-based pools, not the ocean, are the most likely environment in which life began.

Translation:

Sutherland: "Luca came from a land pool, you idiot!"
Martin: "Nonsense, fool! Luca came from a deep sea vent!"
Sutherland: "Land pool!"
Martin: "Sea vent!"
Sutherland: "Your momma wears combat boots!"
Martin: "Your momma so ugly, the strip club paid her to keep her clothes on!"

Wade: "We didn’t set out with a preferred scenario; we deduced the scenario from the chemistry,” Sutherland said, chiding Dr. Martin for not having done any chemical simulations to support the deep sea vent scenario.

Rebuttal: You tell him, Dr. Sutherland! The absence of chemical simulations means that Dr. Martin's theory has no merit.

Say, Dr. Sutherland, can you tell us about your "chemical simulations" that prove that life came from non-life, formed in a land pool and then evolved and evolved and evolved? Just sayin'.

Wade: Dr. Martin’s portrait of Luca “is all very interesting, but it has nothing to do with the actual origin of life,” Dr. Sutherland said.

Rebuttal: So, Dr. Sutherland is saying that Dr. Martin is an even nuttier mad scientist than he is? --- OK. We'll accept that.

I love He Who created Me #fundie ca.answers.yahoo.com

Atheists why don't you accept the fact that evolution is a big joke?

How can random mutations create the perfect order we get in nature? Where are all the intermediate species? There should be fossils of ancestors of giraffes that have shorter and shorter necks, but they are not anywhere. When you see a Boeing you know that it has been created, designed by someone. But when you see a bird, much more complex, you think it was created by chance? Why should single-celled organisms "evolve" in multi-cellular organisms that are vulnerable to the environment?

Mike Summers #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

Evo scientists contend that life began 3.8 billion years ago possibly around vents in the bottom of earth's oceans. According to this theory, life began when the first replicating molecules and cells appeared in or aroud these vents. Accordingly, this process is not now going on. It was an anomoly--a one time event?

If the previous conclusion is true, curent cells in all life forms (including humans) must contain unscathed copies of this original genetic material--a copy of a copy duplicated for 3.8 billion years (that's what constitutes life) . Incredible.

The human begins with one cell. At maturity the human body consists of 100 trillion cells. Moreover, the 100 trillion cells are replaced totally every ten years--with some cells living longer than others. When someone is 50 years old there have been over 500 trillion copies of their orginal one cell.

One theory of the cause of death says that copying errors occurring in cells eventually (genetic entropy) causes death.

3.8 billion years of genetic entropy would most assuredly have doomed life by now!

That leads to the conclusion that life on earth hasn't been here that long.

igor the hero #fundie evcforum.net

Evolution can only occur so often though. It must occur in multiple organisms at once and its chances for succeeding become smaller everytime.1 cell to copy 1:1 probability of success. 2 celled organism to copy 1:2 chance of success,so on and so forth. You yourself just said this is just a bunch of chemicals and only self-replicates. Eventually it will reach where it needs to breathe and eat. When it does, it will have no prior info about these things. It needs to learn how to eat, what to eat, how to breathe, etc. Seeing as how single-celled organisms crawled out of the sea we do not yet have to worry about dehydration.

NesterGoesBowling #fundie reddit.com

Evolutionary Theory vs Universal Common Descent

Evolutionary Theory is about the change in heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

Universal Common Descent is about the monophyly of life, i.e., how every organism we observe today shares a common ancestor: single celled organisms that developed from primordial goo.

While it is true that accepting Universal Common Descent requires accepting Evolutionary Theory, why do so many people think that accepting Evolutionary Theory requires accepting Universal Common Descent? Creationists can believe God created as He described in Genesis, while believing God built into His creation natural mechanisms for organisms to adapt.

Corbenine #fundie forums.worldofwarcraft.com

You're not understanding.

Listen to me. An asteroid, one that could have wiped out all the dinosaurs, would have basically destroyed all life on Earth.

All of it. Except for Bacteria that existed deep, deep underground. And chances are, those probably got killed too. Therefore, Earth's fauna would have to have had to "Reset itself" from single-celled organisms that scientists just "Believe" somehow came to be. Spontaneous Generation doesn't work and isn't involved. If this entire Fauna thing reset, then we have from the minute it reset to now to evolve into humans.

That isn't possible. Meaning an Asteroid couldn't have hit Earth.

westernjoe #fundie christianforums.com

I put my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Let's take a look at what evolutionists put their faith in:

1) Evolutionists put their faith in a mysterious primordial swamp that produced life from non-life.

2) Evolutionists put their faith in the fact that fish can morph into amphibians...that amphibians can morph into reptiles..that retiles can morph into mammals...that apes can morph into humans.

3) Evolutionists put their faith in thousands of common ancestors that have never been found.

4) Evolutionists put their faith in beneficial random mutations which have never proven to be random.

5) Evolutionists put their faith in natural selection, which has never even been tested.

6) Evolutionists put their faith in flawed dating techniques.

7) Evolutionists put their faith in the hopes that humans are actually apes.

8) Evolutionists put their faith in the hopes that a monkey can morph into a human simply by hopping down from tree branches and walking out into wide open spaces.

9) Evolutionists put their faith that a giant explosion could produce order.

10) Evolutionists put their faith that DNA could self-organize from randomly arising chemicals.

caseypayne1980 #fundie christianforums.net

In reality we should be amazed that God can create and did create so many life forms with similiarities. To believe we came from an A sexual single celled organism to a organism with reproductive organs for mating is in it's self stupid. Then carring that idea to a fish and plant and later to a creature on land that grew legs. Fish in the sea today still don't have legs as far as we can remember, and last time I check they didn't want to walk on land. But the fairy tale sounds fun to believe. Have a pet fish? Go ahead and throw it out of its fish bow and tell it to walk and breath. Evolution will grab ahold of it right and for survival it will walk. lol Dummiest theories of the world today lay in science. Science can have all the angles it wants to lie. Yes I said lie because the only way out of a lie is the truth. And no self pride loving scientist is going to back down. They'll simple create more oopsie to back old oopsie. Its just that simple.

Megan Fox #fundie rawstory.com

In the video embedded below, fundamentalist Christian home-school mom and conservative cultural critic Megan Fox — no relation to “Transformers” actress Megan Fox — visits the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago and purports to “audit” the museum for its “liberal bias.”

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In the video’s opening moments, Fox is reading a display regarding the evolution of eukaryotes — which she has to ask her camera operator how to pronounce — simple, microscopic animals that first evolved as single-cell life forms, but which became multicellular, beginning the diversification that would lead to complex life forms.

“‘At first, many eukaryotes were single-celled, and many still are today,’” Fox reads from the display before scoffing. “What? If many still are today, then that would support the theory that they have never changed, that they have always been as they are today, not that they started someplace else and then are here, but they were always this and still are today.”

Regarding what paleontologists have said about the first animals to make the transition from life in the water to life on land, Fox says this is impossible. God made the creatures of the water to live in the water and the creatures of the land to live in the land, which is why fish have fins and people have feet.

“It’s not like their fins fell off and they grew feet,” she says. “That’s what they want you to believe, that their fins fell off and then they grew some feet and started walking on the land. This is the dumbest theory I’ve ever heard in my whole life. It’s not good, it’s really not good. It’s bad. It’s very bad. Do you know how complex feet are?”

At one point, Fox argues levelly into the camera that evidence of the existence of dragons exists, but that liberals and scientists are covering it up because “it would throw off their whole time line of what they want you to believe.”

supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[supersport explains the fossil record]

But anyway, as I said, evolutionists -- the geniuses they are -- equate size with how primitive a creature is. For years darwinists claimed that horses started out as a tiny dog-sized creature and then as they became more evolved -- ie..more complex -- they grew larger. Likewise they say the rat and the human had a common ancestor -- which obviously was a smallish rodent-type human. It was only as this creature became more evolved/complex that it grew in size. (Gotta love this logic, don't you?)

But let's move on to the geologic column: The basic story when it comes to fossils in the geologic column is that the lower strata is older than the higher stratas. And since the geologic column supposedly represents millions of years of Earth's history, then obviously the fossils in each of the layers must be the same age as the layer in which they are found. But what evolutionists like to point out is the progression from the most "simple" (ie...small) organisms, such as bacteria and worms -- to the most complex (ie..large) organisms -- such as vertebrates and mammals.

So, what they've evidently found in the fossil record is a progression from the small to the large, starting from the lower levels and working upwards.

So how do mixed nuts work into this? Glad you asked.

My wife bought a large can of mixed nuts the other day and I've been indulging in them. Of course, like most cans of mixed nuts, the ratio of peanuts to other nuts such as almonds, cashews and pecans is out of whack -- with far too many peanuts. As a result I noticed that shaking the can has a way of bringing the larger nuts to the top.

Voila!

Interestingly, it's this concept that seems quite plausible in regards to the geologic column; whenever the earth moves or the crust shifts or trembles, it could very well be that the smaller organisms (ie.."primitive") fall through the cracks and find themselves in lower strata more easily than larger organisms might. Same concept when water flows down through the earth: it's certainly more likely to drag smaller/"primitive" fossils downward than it is to drag larger fossils.

This might explain why single-celled organisms find their way to the lowest levels, followed by trilobites fish, crabs, snails, birds, small mammals, etc. This could give the impression of a neatly-sorted geologic column, no?

Why have I never heard this explanation from evolutionists?

Jiggy37 #fundie rr-bb.com

It just seems like a stretch to say that everything came from single-celled organisms in random combinations. If that was the case, why is it that, according to science, all fish came first, then all amphibians, then all reptiles, etc.? If it was random, why couldn't amphibians have come at the same time as fish?

evolutionisforidiots.com #fundie evolutionisforidiots.com

To believe in evolution, you must believe that your family tree includes monkeys, fish, and rocks. Many evolutionists believed that after Earth randomly formed by itself out of nothing, it rained on rocks for millions/billions of years, which somehow caused inanimate matter to give birth to a single-celled organism. Other evolutionists believe the top of their family tree is nitrogen, and still others, water! They still are not quite sure what to believe!

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

Can Dawkins Disprove God in 5 Steps?

Can the idea of a Creator God be easily dismissed in just five steps? Well, atheist and anti-theist Richard Dawkins certainly thinks so!

He recently appeared on a Norwegian-Swedish television show called Skavlan where he quickly dismissed the idea of God by ticking off on his fingers five arguments for God.

Dawkins starts by equating God with fairies, and then says that “the onus is not upon an atheist to say why there is not something, the onus is on a theist to say why there is.” Well, Dr. Richard Dawkins, the onus will actually be on each person on judgment day when he stands before God. And no excuses will be enough when we stand before Him. In the end, every person will bow before Christ and acknowledge Him as Lord (Philippians 2:10–11). You can either do so voluntarily now or by compulsion later.

Dawkins then says that “there simply are no reasons for the existence of a God.” But, of course, this doesn’t mean there actually aren’t any reasons for God’s existence. It simply shows his anti-God bias. He then mentions a few of the common arguments used to demonstrate that there is a God.

Design Exists Because of Darwinian Natural Selection?

Dawkins begins with the argument from design. Now, Scripture is clear that everyone is without excuse for not believing in God because His creation clearly shows that He exists (Romans 1:20). But Dawkins dismisses the powerful argument from design in nature simply by saying that we should expect design because that’s what Darwinian natural selection does, “it makes them look as though they’re designed.” According to Dawkins, “Darwin has exploded once and for all the argument from design.” Dawkins recognizes that things do look designed, but says that the most likely explanation, a Designer, isn’t the case—natural selection simply does it. But what he never explains is how natural selection—a process that only works by decreasing or re-shuffling existing genetic information—is supposed to add the massive amounts of new information that are required to get the complexity we see today from a simple single-celled organism over millions of years. How do you get from simple pond scum to highly complex people without adding massive amounts of new genetic information? You can’t!

People Hallucinate or Are Fooled?

Dawkins next dismisses personal testimony by saying that people hallucinate or are fooled with relative ease. Now, subjective personal experience does need to be weighed carefully (see 1 Thessalonians 5:21), but what I would like to ask Dawkins is the same question Bill Nye was asked during our 2014 debate: where did consciousness (which is needed for our experiences) come from? Nye was at a loss to explain this “great mystery” as he called it and Dawkins likely would be too.

Of course, God’s Word tells us exactly where consciousness (and everything else!) came from—God Himself (Genesis 1:27, 2:7). And, furthermore, in a godless world, how do you even know what truth really is when you have no objective standard for determining truth? Who is to say who is right and who is wrong? As Pilate asked Jesus, without God and His Word, “What is truth?” (John 18:38). And if we are just random chemical accidents, why should we trust anything that comes from our brain anyway? If Dawkins’ worldview is true, then he can’t trust anything that comes from his brain either! It’s ultimately a self-defeating argument. We can only know what truth is because there is a God and He has ordered this world and has given us His Word.

If God Is the First Cause, Then Where Did God Come From?

Next is the argument of the first cause. This argument, in a nutshell, states that everything must have a cause, including the universe. Now, Dawkins dismisses this argument by saying that if God is the first cause, then where did God come from? Frankly, it’s a silly response. God is outside of space and time—in fact, He created these things. He didn’t have a beginning and He will have no end (Psalm 90:2). And if there was someone who created God, then it would be a bigger God, and then a bigger-bigger God would need to create that God, and then a bigger-bigger-bigger God would need to create that God, and so on to infinity. This is silly. If He needed to be created, He wouldn’t be God. But God doesn’t need a Creator; He is self-existent.

Darwin Explains How We Got Here Without God?

Dawkins then explains that Darwin shows how everything got here without the need for God. But Darwin was simply wrong because everything we see in observational science confirms the history of the universe from God’s Word, not Darwin’s ideas—kinds reproduce according to their kinds; we don’t see new genetic information being added to produce brand-new features; life only comes from other life, never from non-life. Life did not originate by itself; it was created by our all-wise Creator.

Pascal’s Wager a Silly Argument?

Lastly, Dawkins addresses the so-called Pascal’s wager, which says that it’s better to believe in God, live a godly life, and be wrong when you die than to reject God and die and go to hell. He says that this is a “silly argument” and that there is no way of knowing if you’ve bet on the right god or not. But I submit that only the God of the Bible makes sense of this world. God alone has left us a coherent Scripture that does not contradict itself and is historically and scientifically accurate in all it says.

But Dawkins does get one thing (sort of) right in his short video in reference to Pascal’s wager. He says that perhaps the God of the Bible would not prefer someone who “slavishly pretends to believe something.” Scripture is clear that God sees the heart, not external signs of worship or belief (1 Samuel 16:7). No one will get to heaven by “slavishly” pretending to believe in God. Salvation only comes by truly believing and trusting in Jesus Christ and His work on the Cross to pay for our sin debt (Romans 10:9–10). That’s the good news of the gospel—salvation is a free gift to those who will put their faith in Christ.

My heart breaks for people like Dawkins who are utterly lost and who, unless they repent and believe in Christ, will face an eternity separated from God in hell. All of their seemingly clever arguments against God will amount to nothing when they stand before His judgment throne. If you are like Dawkins, or even if you believe in God but have not trusted in Christ for salvation, I encourage you to listen to the good news and believe in Christ and be saved.

Thanks for stopping by and thanks for praying,
Ken

This item was written with the assistance of AiG’s research team.

John Paul #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

What IS very surprising is that there are people who cling to the notion that all of life's diversity owes its collective common ancestry to some unknown population(s) of single-celled organisms that just happened to have the ability to asexually reproduce- all via unintelligent, blind/ undirected processes! Amazing indeed...

Stan and Elizabeth Madrak #fundie demonbuster.com

TOYS THAT TARNISH, GAMES THAT TERRORIZE

(Ravaged By The New Age - Satan's Plan To Destroy Our Kids)

Toy after toy is designed to introduce young children's minds to New Age and occult ideas and symbols. There are stickers depicting occult creatures, and New Age and Satanic symbols, robot mechanical toys that represent the dark forces of evil, and a wide selection of toys that are emblazoned with New Age Satanic symbols. Popular fantasy games created for children embody Satanic symbols, and instill occult and esoteric teachings into the minds of the young.

Role playing games assign children roles as deities, demigods, and demons and give instructions on casting spells and using magic circles, Satanic pentagrams, and occultic triangles. Tarot cards, runes and the ouija board have Satanic and New Age themes. Young people have become demon-possessed, confused, demented, and psychotic after exposure to occultic-oriented games.

The ancient Babylonian fire god, Moloch, was a hideous god smeared with the blood of human sacrifices. Kids playing games should use magic and sorcery in overcoming the obstacles in their lives. Red and black are Satanic colors. Gods and goddesses, monsters and myths are written about. Fantasies include murder, rape, arson, pillage, terrorism, brutal torture, etc. Satanic deception is infiltrating the Christian community. The unicorn's roots lie in pagan idolatry. The kids are traveling down the yellow brick road to disaster. Society is breeding an entire generation of monsters.

DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS

(Straight Talk #38 - On Dungeons And Dragons - Revised)

The point to remember is that role-playing is a major and effective way to teach people new ways of thinking and acting. Characters may get to choose various magical tools: spells, charms, wands, talismans, potions - plus magical versions of most weapons. If you know the right technology (spell, ritual, incantation, etc.), the universe must respond. But it will also take you to hell faster than a greased demon on roller skates by committing spiritual suicide. Any serious sorcerer will tell you that magic can be as complicated or as simple as the magician wishes.

Folk magic is pretty simple and rustic. Ceremonial magic can be very high church with robes, incense and elaborate rites that can take weeks to complete. Witchcraft is somewhat in the middle, depending on the tradition you are working in. Finally, true hermetic magic involves little more than the human mind.

It is all in the intent - in the mind. When you consider how hard it is these days to find people (of any age) who have moral fiber, the situation becomes quite frightening. Remember, as a Christian, we are exhorted to bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ (2 Cor. 10:5).

U.S. courts are increasingly reluctant to get involved on the side of people fighting the occult influences in our culture, in any way, shape or form. The vast proliferation of books, movies, video games and TV shows about witchcraft and sorcery is compelling. There are witch covens in every major city and in many minor ones! No child is safe at any time if you understand and believe in the Bible.

D " D problems can lead to demonic obsession, suicide attempts, and involvement in witchcraft or Satanism which are serious and indeed can be life-threatening. Make no mistake about it, magic and sorcery are spiritual. What most Christian gamers do not understand is that magic is a kind of spiritual lust.

Magic, at its root, is about power and rebellion. This is a game that envelops the player in an entirely different fantasy world in which the power of magic and violence is pervasive. It is a game with a distinct and seductive spiritual world view that is diametrically opposed to the Bible. Some variations on this theme would be more animalistic or pantheistic - say that the universe is somehow alive, a single-celled organism of which we are a part. Either way, there is no sovereign God involved.

The Necronomicon (legendary occult text) has its place in modern black magic and Transyuggothian metaphysics. Metaphysics is the philosophical theory of reality, the rational science of the supernatural or supersensuous, the science of formal and final causes, and the science of the obscure, occult or mysterious. For example, there is now a whole line of materials based on the hellish Lovecraft Cthulhu mythos (author Howard Phillips Lovecraft), a form of magic practiced in the darkest Satanism - a system of magic prominently featured in The Satanic Rituals. The Necronomicon and the Cthulhu mythos are quite real. Lycanthropy (shape shifting) is the clinical term for being or believing yourself to be a werewolf. The magical act of changing into any wild animal. These are immensely complicated worlds of magic, spells and violence.

This game makes sense if you look at the issues through the eyes of a humanist or atheist. It does not introduce morality, you have demonic tools and characters, there are spells and a clash of world views, defending the game is like defending your favorite cult, examine the issues, it is like rearranging the lawn chairs in Hell, it's not only a game, it is real magic, it is suicide and madness, there are no positive elements and it is not a template for Christianity. One D " D player is quoted: The more I play D " D, the more I want to get away from this world. The whole thing is getting very bad.

[All bolding is from the original text]

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie disqus.com

Yes. I know, Jim. You will come up with ANY rationale or excuse to justify the killing if human beings in the womb, including diverting from the topic by bringing up the Canaanites. I understand you, Jim. I spend time with people like you each and every day. I look forward to that glorious day when I don't have to anymore.

As to your thought experiment, I am sure I would perish trying to save all, not that I am a fan of putting humans in test tubes, which you seem to be. Why would this happen? Because, unlike you, Jim, I would not have the God-knowledge that I could not save them all. I would not know that my time was that limited because I COULD not know my time was that limited as to save in an either-or situation.

And THAT is your problem, Jim: you so desire to be your own god that you refuse to bow to the real One. I thank Him that He will not surround those of us in His eternal presence with the kinds of people like you who are so incredibly callous and hypocritical as to survive the womb yourself, and then place YOUR "standard" on those who are not allowed to. I thank God that He is pro-choice, in terms of your eternal destination, and those who think like you.

Here is one for you, Jim: Your wife is at home with your 1 year old. Her best friend, who has just confirmed that she is pregnant a few days before and shared the news to many, including you and your wife, is visiting. You arrive home to find that a fire has broken out and all are passed out on the floor. Who do you save first, Jim? I look forward to YOUR answer. :-)

I look even more forward to your conversion by Christ Jesus.

Itasca Small #conspiracy windturbinesyndrome.com

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Once again, Dr. Pierpont has done an exceptional job in warning the wisely concerned residents of Cesme, Turkey, with valuable facts that should alarm everyone in their community, and everyone anywhere in the world who has the opportunity to read her letter. The links within the body of the letter are well-worth following for those who want to learn the truth about Industrial Wind Energy.

The video of infrasonic vortices created by IWTs in a blizzard is a one-minute “picture worth a thousand words!”

The excerpt from Professor Salt and Professor Lichtenhan’s paper includes the following:

“No one has ever evaluated whether tympanostomy tubes alleviate the symptoms of those living near wind turbines. From the patient’s perspective, this may be preferable to moving out of their homes or using medical treatments for vertigo, nausea, and/or sleep disturbance. The results of such treatment, whether positive, negative, would likely have considerable scientific influence on the wind turbine noise debate….”

I’m sure they mean well, but, are they suggesting that a procedure intended to be temporary, albeit over six months or so, might be an acceptable alternative?

WE ARE THE VICTIMS HERE!

Why should we be the ones to even consider surgery when we’re not the criminals causing the problem?

The wind industry has known that their monstrous machinery causes adverse health effects since at least the 1980s. Now, these professors seriously consider the possibility that we could be forced to resort to repeated temporary, otherwise unnecessary, surgeries on the unlikely chance that we could stay in our homes to continue being subjected to this MAN-CAUSED DESTRUCTION!!!

We’re already lab rats and guinea pigs to mad pseudo-scientists, businessmen, government officials/agents, etc., who have NO concern, sympathy, empathy, nor compassion for THEIR VICTIMS!

Why on God’s Green Earth should we have to even think that we might have to resort to “such treatment?”

The industry knows full-well what they are doing to us. I believe they take sadistic pleasure in the power-trip it gives them, knowing they are torturing untold numbers of humans and animals with 21st Century versions of the “rack” — and getting paid handsomely to do it!

Ahh, but, whether the surgery proved positive or negative, the scientific influence upon the debate would be considerable! And the rats and guinea pigs will either feel better and live longer, or feel no different and die sooner. Yes, but, the debate would be considerably “influenced!” Researchers would have new fodder with which to experiment for the next few decades while we suffer and die. . . .

[Hmm, I guess such surgery could create a lucrative market for ear-surgeons and their entourages — if it worked — considering all the people who will eventually be needing relief as long as the IWTs keep-on turning across-the-globe. . . . Even the veterinarians could jump on the bandwagon and insert tubes in their patients’ eardrums!]

No human being should ever be asked to allow “Band-Aid” surgical procedures in his ears, just because he can’t or won’t move away from the MAN-MADE CAUSE OF HIS AFFLICTION.

WE’RE NOT THE ONES WHO NEED TO MOVE!!!

WE ARE ALREADY VICTIMS OF AN UNSPEAKABLE CRIME!!!

WE SHOULDN’T BE FORCED TO MOVE OR SUFFER AND DIE!!!

AND WE DON’T NEED DR. FRANKENSTEIN EXPERIMENTING IN OUR EARS!!!

Dr. Kelley, et.al., found: “Further, there is evidence that the strong resonances found in the acoustic pressure field within rooms [in people’s homes] . . . indicates a coupling of sub-audible energy [infrasound] to human body resonances at 5, 12, and 17-25 Hz, resulting in a sensation of whole-body vibration (p. 120).” And, Dr. Pierpont’s study independently showed: “I discovered the same thing in my research. What Kelley refers to as a ‘sensation of whole-body vibration,’ I refer to as Visceral Vibratory Vestibular Disturbance (VVVD): . . .”

I would really like to know if the entire cascade of adverse effects to my body that nearly killed my adrenal glands, and by extension, my life, were all caused by the vestibular effect. (Along with being in all of Dr. Pierpont’s risk factor classes, I am one of those who could perceive infrasonic waves when they passed through my body unimpeded even before the IWTs invaded.)

It would be extremely helpful to know if anyone is known to have non-functioning vestibular organs. If so, is he physically affected by infrasound? Because, I believe the infrasound that can so drastically agitate the inner ear must also directly affect the other cells and organs in the body through the “. . . coupling of sub-audible energy [infrasound] to human body resonances . . .”

If the infrasound is coupled to human body resonances outside the Inner Ear, the overall effect is a combination of vestibular effects and the direct vibratory effects on other organs and cells at the same time. If the vestibular organs were non-functioning, it seems that symptomatology would occur but be somewhat different — as was mine with already weak adrenals. If this is true, then, tympanostomy tubes might reduce the adverse effects, but not “Band-Aid” the WTS in a meaningful way. Stressing the other organs and cells would still cause bad effects and overdrive/destroy the adrenals. (If I’ve forgotten something from Dr. Pierpont’s book, I apologize — my memory has not fully recovered from the effects of the infrasound.)

Nikola Tesla studied infrasound extensively and concluded that it is destructive to living cells. This was a monumental discovery, and now, decades later, it should be considered along with the ESSENTIAL discovery by Dr. Pierpont that the inner ear, and its influence, is significantly impacted by wind turbine infrasound. The proof is blatantly evident that Wind Turbine Syndrome is real. The only reasons the turbines still turn and we continue to suffer, are the evil ulterior motives of the perpetrators, and the indoctrination of the masses.

Further, Dr. Pierpont says: “Wind industry advocates likewise argued that only downwind turbines created noise, that is, low-frequency noise. Dr. Kelley and his research team effectively debunked that falsehood, . . .”

In 1987, Dr. Kelley, et.al., reported that: “low-frequency acoustical loads radiated from both individual turbines and groups of upwind and downwind turbines. . . .” I can attest to this fact in my own community’s experience. Our symptomatology increases and decreases as our predominantly SW winds — upwind to the turbines most of the time — shift through the compass directions, with the 2.2MW turbines northwesterly to southeasterly across the center of the circle. The worst times are when the wind is out of the NW. It is at least approximately 10.5 – 13 miles ENE to the nearest IWT.

Also, “Moller and his colleague, Christian Sejer Pedersen, demonstrated that ‘the larger the turbine, the ongreater the ILFN (infrasound and low frequency noise) produced.’ ” And, that: “The relative amount of low-frequency noise is higher for large turbines (2.3–3.6 MW) than for small turbines (2 MW), and the difference is statistically significant.”

If the difference between “low-frequency noise” of 2.3 – 3.6MW and 2.2MW turbines is statistically significant, and the 2.2MW turbines at least ~10.5-13 miles distant, forced me and others from our homes — and are adversely affecting others — then, just imagine how far and how seriously the larger ones will destroy lives!

Yes, Dr. Pierpont, the setbacks must be more than 2km; 5km is a start and may well be enough for now, in the particular conditions in Cesme. But, I will rejoice when more researchers believe there are those of us in different localities who are being victimized by IWTs at much greater distances. . . .

If the evidence in Dr. Pierpont’s letter does not convince the reader that there is something rotten in the wind industry, and in all the governmental, pseudo-scientific, and media support for it, NOTHING WILL.

Many people worldwide are like blind sheep, believing the lies out of ignorance and trust. However, if truth is presented and they still reject it, their willful blindness becomes guilt, as they aid and abet the crime.

The biggest truths about Industrial Wind Energy are:

THERE IS NO SAFE DISTANCE FOR WIND TURBINES ON PLANET EARTH!!!

WIND ENERGY WILL NEVER SAVE THE PLANET!!!

Itasca Small
Wind Energy Refugee

Caitlin Marr #fundie facebook.com

i just wanna know how certain people can believe that a tiny single-celled micro-organism could have "evolved" into the extremely complex, free-thinking people we are now.. and if we did "evolve" like that then why are some male and some people female? we would have evolved the same way

Igor Krichtafovitch #crackpot vixra.org

Information as the Evolution Driving Force

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In contrast, a homo genus is the least accommodated to live on this planet. None of the homo habilis, homo erectus, and later inhabitants passed the survivability test. Furthermore, they all extinct. Homo sapiens, the only lone survivor, also was on the brink of extinction at least three times. Twice we barely escaped the extinction having slipped through the bottleneck of mitochondrial Eve 2 and Y-chromosome Adam 3. After evading these Scylla and Charybdis,powerful Toba super-eruption occurred about 74 thousand years ago. According to some theories, that event brought the human population to a mere 3,000-10,000 individuals. There is a growing body of literature casting a doubt on the very pillar of Darwinian theory: the natural selection by the survival of the fittest 4-8.
Should natural selection had been a real cause of the evolution of living species then fragile humans should gradually evolve into some fitter races. The natural evolution would change hairless bipedal feeble creatures into more robust primates, then to better fit mammals, and, eventually, to krill and single-celled bacteria. Some prominent scientists are not fond of and warn about “the obsession with natural selection” 9.
The irrefutable fact is that new species evolve and the evolution goes steadily in one dominant direction. The development vector does not point to the direction of highest survivability or productivity. As Richard Bird 8 put it: “Life increases in complexity in one specific sense; computational complexity.” Such statement is so obvious that it hardly can be argued against.

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The evolution’s driver is not a survival of the fittest. It is an inescapable necessity of intelligence and memory storage growth.
Now our Hypothesis arrived at completion. The following postulates may summarize it:
1. Biological evolution as a natural life origin and development is a reality.
2. The evolution is a coordinated and controlled process, not a consequence of random mutations and/or survival of the fittest.
3. The evolution main development vector is a growing computational complexity of the Biosphere intelligence.
4. The intelligent matter which conducts and controls global evolution is a gigantic bio-computer combining all living organisms on Earth: the Global Mind (GM).
5. The GM is a virtual information matter (like a software) based on and running all living cells and organelles. The GM actions are initiated, powered and stimulated by random mutations.
6. Natural selection as a survival of the fittest is the definite factor in horizontal changes, i.e., within same species. The course of vertical evolutionary leaps is pushed by the growing Biosphere memory volume and organisms’ increasing complexity. Greater memory volume requires a greater number and more intellectually advanced organisms for storing and handling it. More intricate organisms require the greater computational complexity of GM in order to keep control over the Biosphere. This is an endless recursive endeavor with accelerated evolutionary dynamic.
7. New species (vertical evolutionary leap) occur when two conditions are met: a) global memory storage volume reaches its limit and b) global intelligence capacity (computational complexity) reaches critical mass capable of producing more advanced creatures.

The Hypothesis presented here does not contradict the naturalistic concept of life creation and evolution. It is not meant Darwinian concepts’ denial. It simply shows a different degree of the natural processes. The proposed concept may not be proven yet. I do not have a good evidence for the most claims and must rely on intuition.
However, as Karl Popper suggested a good theory is the one that has greater explanatory power. The Hypothesis logically resolves many puzzling problems with current state evolution theory. Some of them are listed below (I will address these issues at length in the oncoming publication):
1. Speciation, as a result of GM purposeful design.
2. Evolution development vector, as a need for better global intelligence.
3. Punctuated equilibrium, happening when two above conditions a) and b) are met.
4. Cambrian explosion, as a most pronounced case of punctuated equilibrium .
5. Mass extinctions, happening when more intelligent species should replace outdated creatures.
6. Why lab mutation long-term experiments do not result in new speciation? In these experiments “the critical mass” was not reached.
7. Why creatures fall asleep? GM has to communicated with individual living organisms in order to collect data and correct mutational errors.
8. Why is no paradise on the Earth? GM needs alert living organisms. It forces them to be active and creative.

My soul is still longing after all these years #fundie forum.myspace.com

But evolution isnt based on mutation because a mutation would be something like a human growing a second head or have cicle cell disease. See the point is that information cannot be added, so if a single celled organism's dna code reads one cell, information cannot be added to make it a 2 celled one. Its a simple concept. DNA could not have been added that gave an organism coming from the sea lungs, because information cannot be added. Evolution is based on genetic growth, you obviously dont understand the theory.

lightside #fundie topix.com

Correct...The problem with evolution is it sounds right with all this psycho babble but it lacks any proof and Darwin knew it. It's just a make believe Point.. We have million of creatures on earth that supposedly evolved from a single cell.

Well common sense will tell you that there should be thousands if not millions of creatures in the middle of the process (mutants) right now but there is not one! There should be 2 celled organisms and 4 cells etc... but there is not. You have one celled organisms and you have a 30,000 cell jellyfish with nothing in between. 30,000 missing links right off the foundation.

There are bees and flowers that have to be here at the same time or neither one would exist. Evolution does not explain any of this.

Free Conservative #fundie freeconservative.tumblr.com

(Except you weren’t a human. You were a fertilized egg. You were the beginning stages of mitosis. Not a human.)

Right sorry. Things magically become human at birth. Lol forgot.

Actually…

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Your cells, skin cells, feet cells, heart cells, muscle cells, brain cells, etc. have DNA. That should be no surprise to you.

What is surprising is that the cells in your skin hold the DNA for your heart. The cells in your lungs hold the DNA for your feet. The cells everywhere in your body hold all the DNA for every other cell. Touch your tongue. You’re touching cells that hold information for your intestines, your stomach, your eyes, ALL of you.

Excluding red blood cells, of course, since they have no nuclei and therefore no DNA.

But here is where it is interesting.

In fact, when the embryo grows this big, it has the same exact genetic information as before. There is more DNA, but the DNA is the same. It only reprints the same instruction manual over and over.

Just one cell of this embryo holds all the DNA for gender, hair color, nose shape, the length of his/her toes, any genetic disorders, and even gene-influenced personality traits.
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So, even if this embryo is not human to you, the only thing it will ever be is human. It has no DNA to be a frog or an oak tree. It only has the DNA to code and form a human.

All of those cells are human cells. How could you say they are not human? What else could it be? Certainly not a frog, certainly not an oak tree!

All humans are deserving of life. All lives are worthy of protection.

Ethan A. Huff #conspiracy naturalnews.com

Every time you purchase mass-produced processed "food" from the likes of Kraft, PepsiCo, or Nestle, you're choosing, whether you realize it or not, to feed your family not only genetically engineered poisons and chemical additives, but also various flavoring agents manufactured using the tissue of aborted human babies.

It's true: A company based out of California, known as Senomyx, is in the business of using aborted embryonic cells to test fake flavoring chemicals, both savory and sweet, which are then added to things like soft drinks, candy and cookies. And Senomyx has admittedly partnered with a number of major food manufacturers to lace its cannibalistic additives into all sorts of factory foods scarfed down by millions of American consumers every single day.

Known as "HEK-293," the aborted human fetal cell line used by Senomyx is manipulated to evaluate how the human palate will react to synthetic flavors used in the production of processed foods. Since most processed foods on the market today are hardly food to begin with, and typically lack any real flavor or appeal on their own, chemical companies like Senomyx are hired to develop artificial ones (which are often deceptively labeled as "natural flavors") in order to make them taste like real food.

But because these ingredients can be legally disguised with vague descriptors like "artificial flavors" and even "natural flavors," most consumers have no idea that these additives, in some cases, are actually made using the cell tissue of unborn babies that were murdered through abortion. It's sickening but true, and people must learn the truth in order to avoid partaking in what EndAllDisease.com says amounts to a satanic ritual.

"What they don't tell the public is that they are using HEK 293 -- human embryonic kidney cells taken from an electively aborted baby to produce those receptors," Debi Vinnedge of the pro-life group Children of God for Life said about the ugly truth of the flavoring chemical industry. "They could have easily chosen animal, insect, or other morally obtained human cells expressing the G protein for taste receptors."

Beamer #fundie christiannews.net

working on. Science has been working on that for centuries, and it has been questioned since time began. And look at that, they still have not found what they have been working on.
But they found evidence that there was one cell organisms at one point in time. Wow. there are STILL one cell organisms.
Just because there were one cell organisms then proves nothing because they still exist. All that record is able to be is that there was at that point in time, it does not prove it did not exist before that. Besides, God didn't use the one cell splitting process. He made man and woman without that but put it into our beings to be able to reproduce and populate the world. It worked too.
You really sound like you feel you are better than believers in God and that is sad, because even Jesus felt we were all equal and that we should all love each other.
"You" can keep searching for all the answers you want, but unless God chooses to open your eyes to things, you won't understand. We all have things that happen in our lives that we do not understand why they happened, and we are supposed to find out those reasons when we are in heaven. I don't know if they find that out in hell though.
It is sad because it sounds like you will die never knowing (while you were alive) that there is a God who loves you. When your dead, it will be too late.

Wuli #fundie freerepublic.com

Are their human cells - other than in some occasional hermaphrodite other rare humans that have sex chromosomes that don’t fit the normal XX or XY pattern - no. And even when there are chromosome abnormalities such as XXY, XXXY, ect, the presence of the Y chromosome generally resolves the biological and physical gender to male, and without to female.

So their own biological circumstances of abnormal chromosome patterns and ambiguous genitalia, but again the sex chromosomes, X and Y, and the presence of absence of the Y it the vast majority sets the gender. None of that is about “transgenderism” which is not about ambiguous or abnormal sexual differentiation in the nucleus of every human cell in someone’s body, which does not differ in the cells of the same body.

No, transgenderism is a mental problem, an obsessions continued and entertained to the point where the individual has an identity dysphoria - rejection of the actual gender identity there body has. To use the rare occasions of hermaphrodites and even rarer abnormal combinations of the sex chromosomes as templates for what gender means to the vast population, is intellectually dishonest. It suggests that merely since such differences do appear, naturally, that normal gender is therefor “fluid” and that is simply a lie. It is not “fluid” if you were not born with BIOLOGICAL conditions that somehow make BIOLOGICAL gender “ambiguous”.

There is no “biological” ambiguity with transgenders. Just a mental problem. Their bodies have nothing “wrong” that needs “fixing”. They need professional help to stop satisfy the identity dysphoria that has taken hold in the mind. Yes, the easy solution, just like an addiction, is to satisfy the obsession, just like it is to satisfy and addiction, instead of mounting the struggle to fight it.

Yes, that fight is a struggle and there is hurt and sadness and anxiety in it. But, we act against obsessions and addictions because they represent the mind literally lying to us, convincing us that something that is wrong is something we need.

Michelle Hallmark Powell #fundie #psycho #conspiracy texemarrs.com

In the futuristic movie, Soylent Green, set in the year 2022, the world is a horrible place to live. The temperature is never below 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Millions of people are out of work. Homelessness is abundant. The police are corrupt and the government is a small branch of the Soylent Corporation, which is an international conglomerate that controls two-thirds of the world’s food supply. The corporation manufactures cheap crackers out of chemicals and vegetable matter to feed the masses. The controllers of the corporation are elitists who are able to indulge in the luxuries of the world that they get on the black market.

Women are considered only sexual objects, and have the value of a piece of furniture. There are no trees and no animals. All water is rationed. Strife is rampant and there are a staggering number of murders a day. The value of life is considered minimal. As one gets old or ill you are kindly euthanized. The world is presented as a bleak picture of human misery caused by overpopulation, global warming, and food, water and energy shortages.

Now, tune into present day news. There are murders daily, many of our political leaders are sounding the call of the crisis of global warming, (now being gently called climate change). We are constantly being warned of the upcoming food and energy shortages. Most of the media are on the bandwagon screaming that the masses are polluting the world and overpopulating planet earth. Our government—local and federal—is corrupt. “Big Pharma” is encroaching into everyone’s life. Euthanasia, or the act of assisted suicide (murder), is common practice in several countries today. With people trying to play “God,” the sanctity of life is mostly gone.

The correlation between this movie and what is occurring today is astonishing. For example, at Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez’s speaking event to her constituency in New York, a climate change protester started praising Ms. Cortez for her green new deal but said that that was not enough. She said:

“We’re not going to be here for much longer because of the climate crisis.

“We only have a few months left. I like that you support the green deal but getting rid of fossil fuels is not going to solve the problem fast enough.

“Our Swedish professors are saying that we can eat dead people but that’s not fast enough.

“So I think your next campaign slogan has to be this: we’ve got to start eating babies.

“We don’t have enough time. There’s too much CO2. All of you, you are a pollutant.

“Too much CO2. We have to start now, please. You are so great, I’m so happy that you really support the green new deal but its not enough you know.

“Even if we were to bomb Russia we still have too many people, too much pollution

“So we have to get rid of the babies, that’s a big problem.

“We need to eat babies. This is very serious, please give a response.”

Ocasio-Cortez was so taken aback she offered no response. Instead, she redirected her message to another topic.

There has been a controversy about an article alleging that food companies such as Pepsi Cola, Kraft, and Nestles have sold products manufactured using the tissue of aborted human babies. These companies adamantly claim they do not. They do admit partnering with a company called Senomyx, which is a U.S. based biotechnology company, focused on discovering and developing innovative flavor ingredients for the food, beverage, and ingredient supply industries.
Human Embryonic Kidney 293 cells, known as HEK 293 were derived from the kidney cells of an aborted human embryo in 1972. This cell line is widely used in efforts such as cell biology research and biotechnology/pharmaceutical development. Senomyx does admit to having a relationship with Pepsi Cola to try and help them reduce sugar in future products. However, Pepsi Cola does not conduct or fund research that utilizes any human tissue or cell lines derived from human embryos.

Can we believe such corporations?

Planned Parenthood has been caught selling aborted baby parts. It is horrendous to think where these aborted baby parts are going.

Going back to the prophetic movie, Soylent Green, we find out at the end of the movie after you have been euthanized, you are taken to be processed at the “corporation,” and are ground into the crackers... Soylent Green.

The world portrayed in Soylent Green may well be an accurate portrait of the world we will be living in the very near future.

rapunzel222 #conspiracy abovetopsecret.com

mammograms designed to cause cancer?

do you know how they induce cancer in cells in lab tests - they give the cells radiation and put them under compression stresses. this was found to be the most effective way of inducing cancer in previously healthy cells.

one doctor noted that that is pretty much what happens during a mammogram. you get a dose of radiation, while your mammary cells are being put under fairly extreme compression stress.

a coincidence? Or something more sinister?

going to have an ultrasound instead next time anyone?

TheAncientsAliens.com #ufo theancientaliens.com

In 1930, a strange skull was uncovered in a mine tunnel near Mexico’s Copper Canyon. This skull was kept in a garage as a souvenir by the girl who found. It eventually came to the attention of a family member with medical training who recognized the bizarre characteristics of the skull and enlisted the help of other professionals to examine it.

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imageLeft: Star Child Skull. Notice the larger cranium, tightly set and smaller eye sockets and smaller nasal cavity. Some of the front facial bones and jaw bones are missing.

Right: Human skull. Noice the differences in skull size, eye sockets and nasal cavity.

The skull is not elongated like the cone head skulls we have been examining here. However, it is much larger than human skulls and contains several other strange characteristics including astonishing DNA test results that cannot identify the father as human:

* Carbon 14 dating to the year 1104 (+/- 2 years)

* Larger than normal cranial volume: 1600 cc, compared to human skull volume: 1200 cc

* Tightly set orbits (eye sockets) with half the depth of human eyes

* Eyeballs would have been much smaller than human

* Optic foramen (opening for the optic nerve) is 1 inch lower than human skulls

* Smaller than normal nose (almost non-existent)

* Inner ear cavity suggests an inner ear size double that of a human

* The face was about half the size of a human face

* Half the bone thickness as human skull bone

* Half the weight of a human skull

* Strangely shaped and positioned skull bones

* Skull suggests the being’s neck was half the thickness of a human

* No evidence of cranial deformation or artificial tampering

* Uniqueness confirmed by 10 research doctors

* Stronger than normal bone strength

* Fibers in the bones unlike anything found in humans–adding to the bone strength


Nuclear DNA testing shows part human DNA and part UNKNOWN DNA (meaning DNA that does not exist anywhere on Earth).

No bacteria, plant, animal or human DNA matches they type found in

imageArtist's conception of what the star child would have looked like.

imageDNA map that shows how Mitochondrial DNA is passed to us by our mother and Nuclear DNA is passed to us by our father. The Starchild's Mitochondrial DNA is definitely human. Its Nuclear DNA does not match any DNA record that exists (not bacteria, plant, animal or human. It is of an unknown extraterrestrial orgin yet to be documented.

Lucius L Bultman Sr. #fundie chronicle.augusta.com

Much has been printed lately concerning evolution with an equivalent number of suggested reading materials to assist parents in rearing their offspring. Each time creation draws the short straw. Evolutionists prefr their creed by far. Their belief forms, for me, an image of this mass wandering aimlessly around in space and over many eons evolving into a blob

Later this blob collides with a huge, spinning, solid object - and it continues evolving, but in joint-venture. Then in time, supposedly, though some cosmic accident, the solid object evolves into a sphere, and through metamorphosis the blob evolves through various shapes and sizes, one of them evolving into the monkey which, eventually, evolves into Homo erectus, then Homo Sapiens.

This may make sense to some, but not to me. I, for one, prefer the biblical account of man's appearance on this planet. It is simple. It is concise.

"God said: Let us make Man in our image." (Genesis 1:26,27) I cannot sit back and let anyone make a monkey out of my God!

While the evolutionists are at it, let them put their theories in a test tube, then add some hydrochloric acid. Ask them: Will the result evolve into everlasting happiness or an eternal, infernal, sizzling burn?

Umm_Hanzalah #fundie ummah.com

All species have variation within them. Natural selection, therefore can occur within species but it doesn't cause them to turn into different species. Since when has anyone seen a fish turn into a lizard or a lizard turn into a bird for example.

The theory states we all formed from single celled organisms from which all life came evolved, into different species. This is not scientific as it has never been observed. Where do you see the transition species? Like where are the ape looking humans that would exist between between the fully formed apes and fully formed humans? and I'm not talking about fossils real or not, because that doesn't prove anything. Why are all the transitional sepcied fossils anyway?

Has evolution stopped that we have to look to fossils and not live species? All of this happened randomly and by chance apparently. If the theory of evolution was true, we would see this. But it's nothing but complete rubbish and completely unscientific. It's like dropping pots of paint randomly and by chance onto a piece of paper and expecting it to form this amazing portrait with the most amazing detail ever.

It's ironic that those who worship science, the very foundation of their belief is far from scientific,

stillwild1111 #fundie youtube.com

Why haven't all single cell organisms, fish, monkeys evolved into people? You can put all Irishmen in Egypt and their offspring will NEVER evolve into Egyptians. If man eats chicken every day for eternity he'll never evolve into a chicken. Evolution is not proven it's a weak theory. If faced with the option of believing in something greater than mankind and being wrong, or believing only in man's ability to evolve and being wrong, I'll take my chances with Jesus!

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Swami Satchidanand #crackpot #magick #quack meditationee.org

The Purpose Of Humanity Is As A Mechanism To Create Advanced Angels Which In The Future Will Radiate The Energy Of Love, Second Ray Energies, To The Universe From This Planet, Which Is Scheduled To Become A Sacred Planet.

The Method Chosen By The Archangel In Charge Of This Planet, Is That Of Free Will.

By Giving Free Will To All Humanity, We All Have The Lesson That We Only Have The Free Will To Do The Right Thing.

Anything Less Results In Negative Karma, Retribution, Bad Results For Everyone, Bad Luck.

Free Will Results In Evolution. From What We Are Given At Birth, Body, Mind, Chakras, An Antahkarana Connection To The Universe, Comes The Creation Of Psychic Mechanisms, Talents, To Augment And Improve On That Which Has Been Given.

As Single Cells Join Together To Form Organs And Organs Get Together To Form A Man, Through Serendipity Over Many Lifetimes Single Angels Get Together To Form Aggregations Of Angels In The Form Of A Talent.

At First These Talents Are Striped Through And Surrounded By Trauma-formed Negative Karmic Mass Which Is Impervious To Pure Spiritual Energies In That It Acts Like Lead To Stop The Entrance Of Spiritual Alpha, Beta And Gamma Particles. Trauma-formed Negative Karmic Mass Is Ignorance Because It Cuts You Off From That Knowledge Which Is Higher Than The Mind.

We Purify These Talents Through The Grounding Of Negative Energies Which Burns Up Negative Karmic Mass And Through The Seven Step Process Of Level 2 Of Energy Enhancemnent Which Removes Energy Blockages.

Through The Seven Step Process We Also Integrate These Purified Talents With The Higher Chakras – Thus Increasing Their Size, Complexity, And Ability To Handle More And Higher Energies, And Eventually Channel The Energy Of Love, The Second Ray Energies.

This Process Of Integration Is Like Fusion Of One Crystal With Another In A “Skull Melt” Where We Align And Integrate The Angel Talents With The Higher Chakras Like Crystals – The Angels Become Aligned In Crystalline Matrices – Which Increases Also Their Speed And Purity Of Purpose.

This Fusion Process Starts With The Astral Initiation Of Illumination Or Enlightenment When Ascended Masters Surround The Initiate And Focus The Higher Energies Of Illumination On Him In Order To Create This Fusion, Which Creates A Purified Crystalline Structure Which Cannot Be Perverted Ever Again, Between The Soul Chakra And The Crown Chakra And All The Chakras Below It.

In Order To Help Speed Up This Aggregation Of Talents, Normal Evolution Through Serendipity Is Superceded By The Aggregation Of Talents And Psychic Structures Taken From Human Beings Who Are Truly Evil, Who Cannot Be Changed, Until They Are Healed By The Enlightened.

The End Result Of This Is Highly Talented Angels And Ascended Masters Who Can Truly Align With The Will Of God On This Planet.

The Yoga Sutras Of Patanjali Gives This Methodology Of Illumination.

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Come On An Energy Enhancement Course To Transmute Any Inner-Children or Sub-personality Filled With Trauma Formed Negative Karmic Mass. You only only get better, along the road to Being your True Soul Infused Self.

Gallóglaigh #racist chimpout.com

[from a thread about jamaica]

From my understanding, pot paralyzes brain cells.

In humans, this causes the well-known hippie daze.


Perhaps in the nigger brain, it paralyzes those brain cells which are "almost human", and as such this causes the nigger to chimp out because the only functioning brain cells remaining are those of the wild, violent, sex crazed ape.

This is the reason why catnip doesn't effect humans. The brain biology is too different. However if niggers, being species of un-evolved hominid, do have some rudimentary human-like brain cells, this might explain why those few cells are paralyzed, giving The Inner Chimp a wide open door to emerge and commit all sorts of monkeyshines.


That's something we humans call "science".

Niggers know it as White Debbil Juju.

Dr. Jean Lightner #fundie answersingenesis.org

Why Did God Make Viruses?

There are some fundamental differences in how creationists and evolutionists view life. Biblical creationists believe that God created various forms of life according to their kinds with the ability to reproduce and fill the earth (Genesis 1:21– 22, 24–28). This view includes the concepts that God had purpose in what He created and that it originally was very good (Genesis 1:31; Isaiah 45:18).

In contrast, evolutionists view life as all descending from a single common ancestor by chance processes. Evolutionary arguments tend to imply that life isn’t really very complex or well designed. For example, 100 years ago a cell was promoted as being nothing more than a blob of protoplasm, implying that it wouldn’t be difficult for it to arise by chance. This proved to be wrong; cells are incredibly complex structures. At one time evolutionists argued that organs or structures with no known function actually had no function; at the time, this included hundreds of organs and structures in the human body. Instead, these were believed to be vestiges of evolution. This argument has become rather vestigial itself, as these organs have been found to have function.

Yet this argument reappeared in genetics. Most of the DNA in our bodies does not code for proteins, so it was labeled “junk DNA” by evolutionists who assumed it has no function. As research continues, it is becoming clear that this DNA has numerous essential functions. The evolutionary worldview has a dismal track record for anticipating the astounding complexity in life uncovered by scientific research.

If God created everything good and with a purpose, why are there disease-causing bacteria and viruses in the world? It is true that we first learned about bacteria and viruses because of the problems they cause. Bacteria have been studied in considerable detail and are now recognized to be mainly helpful and absolutely essential for life on Earth; bacteria that cause disease (which developed as a result of the Fall) are the exceptions, not the rule. But what about viruses: what purpose could they possibly have?

(...)

Creationist Puzzle

The biblical record tells of a global Flood when all created kinds of unclean land animals were reduced to a population of two, the pair that was preserved with Noah on the Ark (Genesis 7). After the Flood, these animals reproduced and filled the earth again (Genesis 8:15–19). Today, many of these kinds are represented by whole families. For example, the dog family (Canidae) is believed to represent a created kind. However, this is a very diverse group of animals. There are foxes that are adapted to living in the arctic, and others that live in the desert. There is incredible variety seen in modern domestic dog breeds. Where did all this variety come from? And how could it arise so quickly given that the Flood occurred around 4,300 years ago?

The answer to this puzzle is probably quite complex. Some of the variety would have been carried by the pair of animals on the Ark. When parents pass traits on to their offspring, these traits can appear in new combinations in the offspring (Mendelian genetics). Natural selection can weed some existing traits out of a population. However, a close examination reveals that genetic changes have also arisen in this time. Many of these changes do not appear accidental and do not directly cause disease. For this reason, some creationists have proposed that God “designed animals to be able to undergo genetic mutations which would enable them to adapt to a wide range of environmental challenges while minimizing risk.”

Isn’t That Evolution?

It is important to recognize that biologists use several distinct definitions for evolution that are often blurred together as if they are synonymous. Evolution is sometimes defined as “change in the genetic makeup (or gene frequency) of a population over time.” This has been observed; both creationists and evolutionists recognize this as important in building models to help us understand what likely happened in the past. A second definition of evolution involves the idea that all life descended from a common ancestor over millions of years through naturalistic processes. This has not been observed. In fact, it is in direct opposition to the testimony God (the eyewitness to creation) gives us in the Bible. The idea that all life has a common ancestor requires the assumption that the Bible’s history is false, and the assumption that changes which do occur could produce the variety of life we see today from a single-celled ancestor.

(...)

Diseases draw attention and research dollars, so the problems associated with transposons have been recognized before the benefits are understood (much like was true of bacteria). Many people still view these mobile genetic elements as “parasitic” or “selfish.” However, they are quite widespread in the genome of plants, animals, and man. If their insertion was always purely “random,” it seems they should more consistently cause problems in a complex system such as the genome. Therefore, it seems more logical to believe that transposons have purpose and were designed in a way to benefit their possessor.

The Bible Explains the Paradox

The biblical view explains an important paradox we see in the world around us. It anticipates the complexity that is constantly being uncovered by scientific research; God is an all-wise Creator and would be expected to use awesome design patterns and programming. It also explains the decay observed because mankind sinned and brought death into the world; the world is now in bondage to decay (Romans 8:20–21). This is an exciting time to be a creationist researcher, as the tremendous volume of scientific research is helping to provide answers to questions that have been asked for decades.

Iron Maiden #fundie christianforums.com

One more thing: Evolutionists; Do you really believe Humans evolved from one celled or multi celled organisms, then to amphibians, then to birds, alligators, then monkeys etc?

Or do you only believe in the evolution that deals with Natural Selection and adaptation dictated by environment, therefore Humans bypassed many different species? Like passed the reptilian phase and straight from Amphibian to bird to monkey, etc.?

Do you really think the world is that old? It would take billions and billions of years to evolve to human, Don't forget some knowledgable scientists believe the world to be quite young and also have evidence to possibly support their claims.

carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[CARICO PROMISES TO STOP TALKING ABOUT EVOLUTION!]

I've had it with people telling me I'm nuts for believing that humans breed humans, apes breed apes, monkeys, breed monkeys, and so on. If evolutionists seriously don't know that each species breeds its own kind and animals can't breed humans, then I have no more wish to be around such ludicrousy.

This category can only be described as the Twighlight zone if evolutionists seriously don't know that each species breeds it's own kind. If they're that confused then they need to go to a zoo or a farm and get educated. Otherwise it's a waste of time listening to such hogwash. They can live in their own fantasyland where zebras can turn into humans, humans can turn into tube worms and monkeys can turn into humans for all I care. If evolutionists are this irrational, then there's nothing that anyone can do for them

James True #conspiracy #crackpot #magick jtrue.com

Richie from Boston told me to wake up yesterday so I did. Benjamin Balderson and I spent the afternoon decoding what kind of fourth-generation EMF weapon could be used on a massive scale against an entire population. We kept guessing wrong over-and-over as we considered their technology. But as the sun came up this morning we had the answer. The quarantine is the weapon. This weapon has already been deployed. We have a pyramid economy and the CEOs were the keystones. As Pharoah, Trump pulled them all like stones. They made it impossible for the people to assemble. The cops will stop any town meeting. This is a perfect plan with a perfect fall. Like Mithras slaying the bull in Rome. Trump has to sacrifice the economy to be reborn. This has been planned for a long time. This ritual is the rising of the Phoenix.

The pathogen is our misplaced trust. The virus is the denial of predators in government. Humanity is covid19. The government has declared war on humanity. Trump will never have to fire a single bullet. He will rest easy knowing he ordered 1.8 million face masks. The only way to fight this contagion is to be more human. The only way to save civilization is to get back to work. 7 million people died during the Great Depression. This will be nineteen times worse. Everyone who’s plugged into the matrix will watch it bleed. The enemy we face is the zeitgeist within ourselves.

This will happen because we allow it to.

Proof in the field:

Trump has prepped hospitals with empty tents for a lot of bodies.
Trump has shut down every restaurant, business, and town hall.
Trump has shut down the Mexican and Canadian border.
Trump has shut down every state and county line.
Covid-19 is a natural part of your cell’s communication system.
Everyone that’s human will test positive.
Humanity is not the virus.

We will kill each other while they watch. This is why celebrities have come out to support it. They want you to believe in the virus. They want you to social distance until it’s too late. When this is over, the only ones standing will be the psychopaths. While we starve and kill each other, the new towers will go up. The next 30 days is the only chance we have to stop it. Humans must assemble right away.

This is the blackest magick spell I have ever seen. It rides the coattails of the spell on 9/11. I am one of nineteen. More of us are coming. We talk to each other through our campfires. Your heart is surrounded by neurons. Neurons are the transmitters of empathy. There is a human internet waiting for you to log on. We can fight magick with magic. We can thwart their plans nineteen fold.

We must assemble and talk about this. Society and the zeitgeist will be fighting against you the whole time. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done. But you must do it for the land. So much energy is waiting for you on the other side. But you have to be brave. People will hate you for doing this. That’s your sacrifice for the magic to work.

The only virus people have is believing the same things, listening to the same frequencies, and having the same ideas. Conformity is a spell of energy, frequency, and vibration. Nothing makes humans more vulnerable than uniformity. Nothing. They have weaponized conformity and will use it to take the country down. Find the land underneath. She put you here for a reason. You are the immune system of the earth. They have tried to weaponize humanity. Let them. Become a weapon of the land.

Crystal #fundie blog.myspace.com

The Big Bang Theory still goes on to say that from the explosion, the rock of the Earth was formed, which was rained on for billions of years, and the rock eventually became soup, and from the primordial rock soup, the first living cell emerged. (Do you see why this "scientific" theory requires a lot of faith?) See, I believe "In the beginning, God created…" and they believe "In the beginning, mud created…"

skywatcher57 #fundie christiannews.net

skywatcher57:
It always disgusts me to see the evolutionary theory accepted and passed off as fact. To date, not a single evolutionist has been able to intelligently answer a simple question: Where did matter, the spark of life, and emotions come from? To date, as a rock collector, I've not heard a single rock cry out in pain when I crack it open! We believe in an Intelligent Designer, with copious amounts of scientific proof, while they believe we came from a rock! It takes more faith to believe the latter than the former. Liberals don't possess much critical thinking ability, do they!

ZappaSaid88:
Evolution is the study of the changes in biological organisms over time. It has nothing to do with origins. And if you have so much scientific proof please publish your scientific study and collect your Nobel prize.

skywatcher57:
With all due respect, your statement is foolish, as we both know that Evilution focuses upon origins; all else is secondary.

Enniscorthy:
No, Zappa is quite correct. Evolution deals with change. If it's origins you want, the subject is cosmology, or abiogenesis.

skywatcher57:
You do realize that development can be seen as evolution, in the losest (sic) sense of the word, right? You do realize that there is a difference between this kind of evolution/development than engineering by human intervention, right? All too often, we are using the words, "evolved" and "evolution" out of context and too generally, without adhering to its pure form as modern science attempts to indoctrinate us with.

TheKingOfRhye:
"You do realize that development can be seen as evolution"
Yeah, they are synonymous. That's why, if you're talking about evolution of life, you're not talking about its origin, you're talking about its development, aka evolution.
It doesn't mean someone studying evolution has to ignore any questions of the origin of life, it just means that if they do start dealing with that, they're not talking about evolution any more.

skywatcher57:
How long did the mouth have to sit around and wait for the second cell to evolve so it could digest its food? How long before the rectum evolved? If I sit around for the next 250 m. years waiting for my wings to grow, I'd never get off the ground. See how foolish your belief system is?! The single-celled amoeba would die while waiting for the common sense to know what to do with its food. Enough of the circular thinking; I have more important things to do, and I'm NOT conceding!

Michael Voris/Church Militant #fundie #wingnut #conspiracy #homophobia churchmilitant.com

THE LUCIFERIAN LEFT
The whole pack of them are working for Hell.

The Left, all of it — entertainment media, politicians, Hollywood studio liberals, screenwriters, actors, college professors and administrators, NGO's, social justice warriors, liberal philanthropists, nutty philosophers, news media, warped sociologists, man-caused climate change cheerleaders, music industry executives, mind-rot authors, atheist scientists, you name it — the whole lot of them and anyone else who would fit under the anti-God umbrella, they collectively comprise the Luciferian Left. And that is to say the ruling elites of the culture who reject God and morality and seek to destroy any vestige of decency left in society.

It has taken them a couple generations, but they have managed to accomplish just about everything on their bucket list you could imagine. In just the space of my lifetime, we have accepted no-fault divorce, contraception, abortion, shattered families, single parenthood, test tube babies, designer babies, surrogate motherhood, open homosexuality, instant-access pornography, the corruption of higher "education," same-sex marriage, a giant welfare state, the destruction of the middle class, crippling debt, a "no one is accountable" approach, yet everyone goes to Heaven, there is no Hell — most people respond they are basically good people.
[Long screed about Harvey Weinstein here]
his whole Luciferian leftist mentality has more than crept into the Church. Think about the gay priest sex abuse cases where psychologically disturbed men were accepted into the seminary and then proceeded to rape teenage boys by the thousands. What did leaders do — promoted them, protected them, lied about them, covered for them, looked the other way, pleaded ignorance, then when finally caught and trapped, pretended they were ignorant, not vigilant enough.

And now, these same men are sitting atop the largest meltdown of the Church in world history, liquidating the patrimony of millions of immigrants, allowing liars in collars and miters to pervert the Faith, corrupt young minds, destroy the liturgy, keep silent on the greatest holocaust in the history of humanity, advance sodomy as a gift from God, convert the Church into a giant social justice agency and so on. They promote much of the same anti-God agenda as does the Luciferian Left — man-centered, climate change, world peace, destabilization of countries in the name of fighting poverty, backing the distribution of population control programs with government funds.

Where exactly is the line between these two worlds? Evil is evil whether it wears a swastika or a hammer and sickle or hides behind a hypocritical, do-good cultural agenda or dresses up in Church robes to destroy that same Church from within by teaming up with evil agents in the name of good.

Can you imagine, for just a moment, what the Last Day is going to look like? Dear God! All the sins and crimes against God and Man all seen together at the same time and same place for the entire human race and then the Final Judgment — all this evil, intended evil, the plotted overthrow of good, the perversion of truth, the trillions of trillions upon trillions of mortal sins committed by tens of billions of humans, many of whom worked tirelessly to normalize and establish these evils as actual goods.

Thank God we have a reasonable hope that all men are saved. Right!

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

Sometimes I like to hear the King James Bible while sleeping. I usually fall off to sleep from the soothing voice (not good if driving). But it's important that the voice agrees with you or you might have nightmares or not be able to sleep. Not everyone can sleep while there is background sound. Sometimes I can't either. I recommend trying what works for you. I don't always play the Bible while sleeping. Truthfully, sometimes I get tired of hearing Alexander Scourby's voice because I listen to it so much. I guess that's a good thing. I give it a rest for a few days and then listen again. I'm going to get the King James Bible by James Earl Jones (and another gentleman too) and that'll provide some diversity in sounds. I love Alexander Scourby, but I've heard him hundreds of times.

The human mind is incredibly powerful. Hollywood and television are continually putting garbage and subliminal thoughts into people's minds. Honestly, I'm not sure if the human brain discerns or benefits from hearing the Bible while sleeping, but I'm confident it does. The volume is important. You don't want the volume loud enough to wake you up or keep you from sleeping, but I like to set it where I can at least understand what is being said, so I can listen attentively while falling off to sleep.

The human mind is extremely impressionable, which is why satanists have put all sorts of demonic influences in television, movies, on our dollars bill, and music today. It's an occultists fiesta! If the human brain can grasp messages played backwards in songs, then I'm thinking there's a better than likely chance that the human brain can grasp what's been said while sleeping.

James Arjuna #fundie amazon.com

Evodelusionism is the religion of atheists, sex addicts, murderers, Monsanto, big pharma, socialists, communists, liberals, whores, and perverts...basically all those who are destroying all life on earth like evolution.

You think you are a scientist, but you are just the spokesperson for the most disgusting religion that has ever plagued humanity.

There are three absolutes in the DNA RNA process that cannot be overcome by evolution. Therefore evolution is a myth.

1/ RNA cannot make DNA without DNA to produce the original coding. They are simultaneously needed to produce eukaryotic life. There is no physical evidence of any RNA only creature making DNA.

2/ It is impossible for the human immune system to evolve when the pathogens that destroy digest human cells already existed before the first "human" cell.
It is impossible for any of the original life forms to exist based on this. The creatures needed to be built having an integrated immune system to deal with all pathogens and even radiation from sunlight that causes cancer cells that need to be destroyed.
Cancer is an immune deficiency disease.
Here is a video of how cancer cells are supposed to be destroyed by the immune system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJSrxzatNzY

3/ DNA only shows genetic degradation and nothing else. Science does not operate differently in the past than now. Science has no magic in it.
http://evolutionsciencenow.blogspot.com/2013/04/are-humans-getting-better-what-is.html

Every year 30.4 million people die from Evodelusionism and immorality.

supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

(supersport, high school dropout, and biology and medical expert, explains why horizontal gene transfer is the nail in the coffin for evolution)

[This only applies to single celled organisms that can freely move their genes. If this happened in humans we'd never become sick. Our genes would change fast enough to stop everything from the common cold to cancer.

What do you mean by "suppressed"? I learned this in grade 9 biology.]

You are not only wrong, you are missing the point:

antibiotic resistance -- the so-called "proof" for your theory -- is proof of nothing but fairytales. Listen....let me spell it out real easy for you: bacteria do not develop resistance by way of random mutations or natural selection -- they do it by way of physiological, purposeful response. This is a contradiction to your theory. Not only that but this is a perfect example of lamarckian inheritance on the level of the genome. The genome is flexible and changeable just like the phenotype is.

Sorry....try again.

Various Incels #sexist incels.co

(andinocel)
Never had a boyfriend seeks advice

Ask Anna: I'm almost 23 and I've never had a boyfriend – is this normal?

Stacy “embarrassed” she never had a bf (but I’m sure she’s had hookups). a woman asks this? “Don’t be embarrassed! It’s never too late.That’s because you’re independent!” A man worried that he’s never had a girlfriend? “Ewww. Incel creep. Weirdo. That’s because women sense your misogyny”

(insanus virginem)
The article says:

Q: I’m almost 23 and I’ve never had a boyfriend. I’ve dated a few people, but not many – is this normal?

Retarded foid had several boyfriends but does not count them for some retarded foid reason. That's like me inserting my cock inside her pussy against her will and claiming I never tehnically raped her because I didn't orgasm or some other arbitrary made up rule.

(VincentVanCock)
Never had a chad willing to commit*. If she is so bothered about that fact she is more than welcome to suck the dick of each and everyone of the users in this site, hypergamous bitch hope you die a painful and gruesome death.

(Total Imbecile)
This is why I dont even read womens posts on the topic Could go right now on r/dating and find a post like that Women cant ever be incel

(Fearofeight)
?????? insert niggawhat.jpeg I fucking swear people nowadays, it boils my blood, “single” doesn’t mean anything, well it does, it means she is a massive whore. Do you really believe an attractive woman is not getting it? It’s the way the terminology is used, “I’m single” but they have multiple FWB, hookups, sell nudes and suck random dick at parties. It’s completely meaningless.

Gally #racist eivindberge.blogspot.no

What follows is a guest post by a man who has recently joined the Men's Rights Movement after a run-in with one of the laws we fight to abolish because it constitutes an evil criminalization of male sexuality. His experience also highlights the importance of the emerging alliance between the MRA and MAP communities. We are in this together, because while most men are not primarily attracted to minors, most men are certainly attracted to minors to some extent well under the age of consent, down to and including what is sometimes called hebephilia. And it is just common human decency to oppose bad laws and persecution of pedophiles just for existing. Or should be.

My name is Gally.

I take this online handle in homage of "the greatest warrior who has ever lived," "Battle Angel Alita" (Yoko von der Rasierklinge), whose story of epic struggles with coming to terms with her past, understanding herself, and accepting what she is and also what she is not, has provided me with more inspiration than any other story I have ever read, real or fictional. It is a great manga, better even than Evangelion in my opinion, and for those interested you can find it here: https://www.mangareader.net/battle-angel-alita-last-order.

As such, I have a few reflections that I would like to share with you. First a disclaimer though: I am a minor-attracted person and most would consider me a pedophile. Although that is technically inaccurate; pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children and I am attracted to pubescent minors, so the more precise term would be "hebephile," but in lieu of distinguishing the term "Minor Attracted Person" (MAP) is recommended.

So, if this upsets or triggers you, you are welcome to not read any further, but I would respectfully request that if you chose to comment, you do so after having read through what I have to say.
I would like to add though, that MAPs basically either think that contact with minors is okay or they don't think contact with minors is okay, and I'm mostly in the latter camp as I have found that personally it's hard for me to hide that I like somebody, and therefore I advice other MAPs to also not get too socially involved with minors that they find themselves having an attraction to, given that it might lead to contact that is too intimate and/or age-inappropriate.

So please consider that people can be and act sensibly and responsibly -- in fact, most people do act responsibly and considerately regardless of sexual orientation, kinks, or mere fantasies, fetishes, or paraphilias.

That aside, in a related issue it has been said that we are what we do, but I would argue that we are also information.

The DNA in all the cells in our body (only ten percent of which are actually human; 90% of "our" cells are bacteria without which we would be unable to digest carbohydrate-based food such as proteins, but only fat and sugar), if unraveled to a string, would reach to Pluto and back. Eleven times. The DNA of all human beings currently alive on our planet Earth could encircle the Milky Way (which is 130,000 light-years in diameter) 20 times over. The combinations of any one pairing of a sperm cell and an egg holds the potential of randomly mixing 43 chromosomes -- one half from the sperm, the other half from the egg -- in two to the power of 43 different ways (2^43).

The number of humans who have ever lived on our planet is thought to be only about 20 billion (counting from the last 10 million years of Homo sapiens thought to be a genetically distinct species), meaning that just by chromosomal pairing alone, only 1/3500-part of what we as a species, what humans are, has ever surfaced from the vast sea of potential humans that can be brought into existence.

The real number may be incalculable, considering that recent research has revealed that our DNA is actually not static, set from birth to death, but changes according to our environment -- and possibly even according to our experiences, influenced by brain chemistry -- our mood, whether we are happy or depressed, at peace or subjected to violence, if we experience freedom or oppression.

What was once thought to be mostly "junk DNA" may not be so after all, but like medical conditions such as heart disease, does not always manifest itself at all times but could be triggered by unknown, hitherto unpredictable and unimaginable combinations of events.

No longitudinal studies have been carried out on this as of yet, but as DNA sequencing becomes exponentially cheaper, we might discover connections between the environment and our evolutionary process that could be as shocking to science as the theory of evolution once was.

To quote a clip from the computer game Alpha Centauri (Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri Secret Project: The Human Genome Project):
"To map the very stuff of life; to look into the genetic mirror and watch a million generations march past. That, friends, is both our curse and our proudest achievement. For it is in reaching to our beginnings that we begin to learn who we truly are."
Genetic analysis (comparison of actual mutations to known rate of mutation of male and female chromosomes) has already revealed that throughout human history, only half of males have succeeded in reproducing, whilst almost all females have. Which, one could argue, means that evolution -- and thus, progress -- is almost exclusively a male endeavor. Which also explains why males have more variation -- there are more male geniuses than female geniuses, and more males who never find a mating partner (1/3 of all men in Norway) than females who never find a mating partner (1/6 of all females in Norway).

We are information above all, and there is nothing that is more Holy of Holies than Knowledge, for only knowledge can bring understanding, and only understanding can create with intent -- with a goal in mind. Be that evil, to gain power over the weak, or good, to bestow powers upon them.
To quote the science-fiction author Peter Watts:
Evolution has no foresight. Complex machinery develops its own agendas. Brains — cheat. Feedback loops evolve to promote stable heartbeats and then stumble upon the temptation of rhythm and music. The rush evoked by fractal imagery, the algorithms used for habitat selection, metastasize into art. Thrills that once had to be earned in increments of fitness can now be had from pointless introspection. Aesthetics rise unbidden from a trillion dopamine receptors, and the system moves beyond modeling the organism. It begins to model the very process of modeling. It consumes evermore computational resources, bogs itself down with endless recursion and irrelevant simulations. Like the parasitic DNA that accretes in every natural genome, it persists and proliferates and produces nothing but itself. Metaprocesses bloom like cancer, and awaken, and call themselves I.
Our interactions shape others, as theirs in turn also shape us.

Our identities, therefore, are in constant flux, as noted by many religions -- from the Bible's "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another" to Buddhism's reflections on the transitory nature of man, to the Native American story of the struggle between the "good" wolf and the "bad" wolf that lives inside of our hearts, and how feeding the "good wolf" that is cultivating constructive and positive habits and behavior is recommended if you want him to win the struggle with the "bad wolf."

My point being, behavior is changeable, we are creatures of habit, we can change and we can improve ourselves and the lives of others and even the course of history by our participation in it.

We can learn from our mistakes, and for many this is the primary way of learning -- trying, failing, and improving -- but we cannot learn from mistakes that we are not able to make -- or that we are not allowed to make, as we fear an ever-watching, ominous presence of mass surveillance by people whose only intentions is to punish and harm us.

We can do good towards one another. But only if we understand the difference between good and bad. And we can seek peaceful, ethical solutions to problems that in the past may have seemed almost intractable, impossible to solve. We can think; not just feel. We can understand -- or at least accept -- reality as it is, not just condemn others, and by doing so, through proxy curse our common humanity. We can be generous; not just selfish. We can seek what is best for others, not just what we desire.
And we can have progress. Real, tangible, measurable progress, social growth, care for the weak and the confused and even for those with little self-control or ability to reflect upon consequences.

One of the oldest recorded stories is that of the "Fall from Grace," or as it is also called, the "Original Sin." Woman rebelled against a meaningless command by a dictatorial authority, allied with Man, and in the story it is said that God himself admitted that now they had both "become like God, knowing good and evil" -- by gaining experience-based knowledge of the difference between Good and Evil, through rejection of a meaningless "evil" as the eating of a piece of fruit from a particular tree was.

The price paid was to be cast out, and living a life of hardships and struggles.

A high price, that not many are willing to pay, but instead bend their knee and accept commandments to not think for oneself, but obey unquestioningly, even to meaningless absurdities.

Right now the world is in a dire state.

The level of freedom and independence of the press has never been lower, at the same time as we are manipulated by fake news, politically controlled propaganda, and an almost insane denial of the truth and a blatantly open disregard for empirically provable, reproducible, peer-reviewable scientific facts. Surveillance equipment is exported from western nations to repressive regimes all over the world, and Human Rights that were introduced after the second world war are being gradually rolled back for carefully selected minorities.

The ones whom it is easy to portray as evil.

As sick.

As disgusting.

As dangerous.

As abominations that are inhuman and must be purged, or locked away for as long as possible, as a way to frighten others not to commit similar crimes, rather than be offered any meaningful preventative therapy or harmless outlets.

People like me, whose crime is being different in that I am more attracted to teenagers than to women my own age, and whose rights to the liberal progress that other minorities have enjoyed to the betterment of society in general (such as homosexuals and transgenders), are being denied.

Many who experience such a degree of hatred, kill themselves -- especially young pedophiles, who would rather die than ever risk harming a child.

Others suffer through recurring depression, a feeling of alienation from society, despair and fear, and engage in substance abuse.

And then there are those whom the authorities succeed in convincing that they are evil, not in control of themselves, sick and destined to commit crimes sooner or later, and who chose to do so, fulfilling the only role that society prescribes for them.

They -- we minor-attracted people -- are being used as a spearhead to drive through changes in our societies that makes the rule of law become less based on objective and established principles, but more on subjective abuses of power. The argument being, exceptions must be made to the way the law is practiced, and one must punish harder because the current harsh punishment is clearly not working and therefore, the "logic" goes, it isn't harsh enough, because of course punishment -- in the eyes of those who see punishment as preferable -- is the only thing that helps.

They say that "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail", and also that "if you truly believe you can compensate for incompetence by increasing your efforts, there is no end to what you cannot do."

In the same vein, "Military Idiocy" is defined as "It didn't work, so we need to do more of it," and "Police Idiocy" isn't much different: "It doesn't work, so we need to continue doing it."

So with their incompetence the only solutions they understand are punitive, violent, cruel and sociopathically sadistic, and as a result they are in the process of causing changes that make governance of the people be more about control under the threat of punishment, than about preventative measures through guidance, acceptance, and inclusiveness. Changes that alienate us from each other, that make us wary of speaking our minds, thinking our independent thoughts and questioning others', and make us fear expressing ourselves in ways that we are uncertain could be used against us at some point in time.

Changes that are even measurable in how far from home children have been allowed to roam, as documented at http://freerangekids.com/. "Stranger danger" is a divisive tactic that splits local communities, and Divide & Conquer is the oldest strategy in the book. Make people fear their neighbors, and they will never be able to cooperate sufficiently to protest against exploitation.

In addition, surveillance makes everybody who is not rich enough to not have to work or obtain an education and build a career in cooperation with others too concerned with their employer's reputation and angsty about making mistakes, which makes it harder for the 99% of the population who are not born rich to ever learn from their mistakes and understand elementary facts of life such as that we cannot just eat cake if we do not have bread, and thus gain life experiences that makes us compassionate of others, tolerant, forgiving, and wise.

In comparison, the one percent who are born filthy rich can write books like Chicks O'hoi where they describe how they have an entire suitcase full of sex toys and love having their asshole rimmed and how their jaw is almost cramped from sucking dick for so long. The author of that book is anonymous, by the way, but let's just say I have a very strong suspicion I believe I know who she is. And if she is reading this: stylometric analysis revealed that J.K. Rowling was the author of a book she didn't want people to know she wrote, and your entire Instagram-account has been downloaded and I have no problems finding the programs that can do such an analysis.

The ignorance of the rich -- and their self-satisfaction from being "better" than others through having more money -- has always been a great comfort for the state, since if they really understood how others suffered from hardships that they themselves have never experienced, they could have made meaningful change towards and actually contributed to the betterment of society.

For the other 99% who are not as docile and indolent due to being spoilt rotten, surveillance is in effect a way for governments to be dumbing down the people, make them fearful and obedient, and above all: not protest against injustices and abuses of power. Lest our own lives comes under scrutiny, and every word we have ever written is combed through and analyzed, taken out of context or misrepresented, and used against us.

The plan is well underway to turn human beings back from free citizens with rights, to serfs who are under the control of whatever local official is effectively lording his power to define what "law" means and whom it applies to, under his personal jurisdiction.

The police and the military welcome this return to serfdom, as it caters to their psychopathic delusions of grandeur and dreams of powers over even the thoughts and feelings of others.

I recently had the pleasure of attending such a display of police psychopathy, as I was accused of downloading child pornography, what the police wants to define as "documentation of sexual abuse against children," while including cartoons, written stories, and defines "children" to include those over the legal age of consent.

One thing even the police managed to testify truthfully was that the vast, vast majority of the material in my possession involved teenagers posing in the nude. Pictures produced by a professional photo model studio, with the parents' consent, as documented at https://wikileaks.org/wiki/An_insight_into_child_porn.

In other words, at the very lowest level of what the law considers child pornography, and in my personal opinion very comparable to mere nudism -- which is not now, nor ever can, be made illegal.

Unless, of course, we adopt standards for morals that are applied in countries which have been the most reluctant to adopt human rights, to the point of actively working against their acceptance in their particular region of the world -- where workers are exploited as slaves and people in practice have no rights or protection under the law.

In the Western world, we have enjoyed human rights because we have been needed as workers in industry and production of commercial goods, and our labor and creativity has caused an economic growth of 3-4% annually since public education was instituted in Great Britain in 1876.

This is changing with the coming of the second machine age, where human cognitive labor is gradually being replaced by machines.

We are becoming less needed, and people without jobs are said to "have the Devil's idle hands," as they have time to think about the crimes, incompetence, and illegitimacy of those in power.

And question why we allow them to rule over us in all things, instead of being allowed to make decisions for ourselves.

Why some small group of people decide that our country (Norway) should support a war halfway across the world, why we should be subjected to decisions made by other countries (The EU, which we are not a part of but still subjected to), why our resources should be exploited at our loss (our country's hydropower generation exported at European market price), why we should invest in activities with no certain profitability (opening up of polar-circle oil fields) that contribute to environmental degradation (at least for the fisheries there and in turn the local communities).

It is easy to make people obey other, incompetent people in power, and accept their illegitimate rule.
Just tell them you are the only ones who can protect them from monsters.

Find some "useful Jews" that you can pretend are the monsters.

Pick out the worst of those who commit crimes, and relentlessly proclaim that they are representative of all of them, then crank up the propaganda and claim that you are now finding it to be even worse than what the public has been told in the past.

Describe the hideous crimes of the extremely few in as graphic, gory, and tabloid detail as possible. Do not encourage reflection by mentioning numbers such as how many percent of men are attracted to pubescent teenagers, and yet never do any harm.

Fuel the outrage and ride the waves of the moral panic. When people panic, they lose the ability to carefully think things through in a calm and rational manner.

And people will obey.

Because you will have convinced them that you are their Savior.

While in reality, behind the scenes a surveillance apparatus is being created that will put an end to social growth, destroy the middle class, and end human progress as we have known it.

A totalitarian police state is emerging, ruled by psychopaths and the most infantile, ignorant, incompetent, imbecilic, inept, insular, and spoilt rotten selfish rich people, positioning themselves to return society to a state of aristocracy and serfs, and we are letting it happen because in reality, we don't really care about the rights of others as long as we can have shiny things to play with.

How blind we have become. And how childish.

I am Gally.

I am a panzerkunstler.

I was born on the 6th of March, 2017, as that was when I decided to set my foot upon this battlefield. I did that with the full knowledge and acceptance that nobody voluntarily goes to war, expecting a long, prosperous, or happy life.

I still chose.

It has now been a year; I have met the Enemy, and He has taught me much.

I have risen from a mere "Lehrling" to now just recently, becoming a "Krieger" (http://battleangel.wikia.com/wiki/Panzer_Kunst).

I am now officially at war.

I do not expect my life to be a happy one.

Or long.

But I decided of my own free will, to join this battle, after hearing a story.

You can find it yourself, if you go look for it.

At the time, I used the handle "LytaHall" on quora.com.

The story was told to me by a retired police investigator, who for twenty years had specialized in cases involving the sexual abuse of children.

He told me of a man who had lured a ten-year-old girl from the neighborhood into his bedroom, where apparently he had made inappropriate advances that had been rejected, and due to the harsh punishments -- this was in the US -- he killed the girl out of desperation that she would tell on him.

I have never in my life experienced anything like what I experienced when I realized what an ABYSS of helplessness and powerlessness I was standing in front. There was nothing I could do, or say, that would change that innocent child's death, the investigator was retired and was only interested in idle conversation, the police are not in themselves drivers for policy or social changes, and if the development of the kind of harsh punishments for such crimes reach Norway, motivated by political posturing and moralistic-based virtue signaling, instead of us looking to nations such as Germany with their successful "Dunkelfeld" program, then that is going to happen in Norway too.

I can change that.

I can read books, I can argue the case for offering free mental health care and harmless outlets before somebody commits a crime, rather than merely waiting for them to do something wrong and then punish them afterwards.

And I am willing to do so.

Even at the cost of my own happiness and health.

Because I wish to do good.

I wish to help make this world a better place, and I am smart and knowledgeable enough to make a difference.

My enemy has taught me much.

I am still learning.

But although I may make mistakes, the true sign of a warrior is not to never suffer defeat, and not to never strike a blow that misses, but to keep on fighting, and to get up again after being defeated.
And to grow stronger.

I am Gally.

I am a panzerkunstler, klasse Krieger.

And I shall now use what I have left of my life to try my very best to prevent the kind of abominable, perverted criminal "justice" system that they have in America (Filling Up Prisons Without Fighting Crime: Mark Kleiman on America's Criminal Justice System), from reaching Norway.

Because looking at the numbers, in the US 13 times more children are killed than in Germany (http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1658-5-ways-were-making-pedophilia-worse.html), and part of that is undoubtedly that "two can keep a secret, if one of them is dead."

To quote parts of the philosophy of panzerkunst:
Panzer Kunst also provides a definite tactical advantage, since it gives its user the ability to analyze an opponent's fighting style and to retaliate accordingly. Therefore, a Künstler will rarely be defeated in a second combat with a given enemy. Künstlers also seem to have been imbued with a sense of fanaticism and willingness to sacrifice themselves if necessary to carry out a mission.
I am Gally.

And I am now (and until my death) at WAR.

Defiance. Because my Conscience does not allow me to stand idly by, as People in Power hurts others for their Personal Careers (Two Steps From Hell - Freedom Fighters).

New Age Scam Artist #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

The nature of Grey "aliens"

I'm writing this post because I thought it was important to help other people who have found themselves in a similar predicament as myself with these entities. I will say upfront that this post will contain a certain amount of speculation as I can't be 100 percent certain about an entity that hides its true nature so well. I'll start from the beginning of my personal breakthrough, and end with my hypothesis.

About 4 years ago I had a major health crisis. I was having intense chest pain. I had a full work up by my medical doctors. I was diagnosed with 2 types of heart disease. This was alarming because I was only 28 at the time. I knew heart disease ran in my family, but when I was told to get my affairs in order, I knew the doctors were being serious.

I'm omitting a few months of backstory at this point because it involves a family member. Unfortunately it's pretty important to what I'm saying so I'll say this : This family member ( who I suspect is into occult rituals and magic ) came back into my life shortly before I started having the horrible chest pain. When they found out I was told to get my affairs in order, they came to my house against my better judgement. They had been responsible for a lot of my early childhood trauma/abuse. So much in fact that entities would converse with me at age 11 while I was in bed trying to sleep. Every single night they would fill my head with horrible, disgusting thoughts about what I should do to this family member. I held them off as a child the best I could.

When this family member came back into my life, I started getting the communication back from these entities. They would show up every single night. They tap on my windows. When I was driving to do errands they'd show up in the sky. When I'd take walks at night to blow off steam they'd hide behind bushes and vanish out of the corner of my eye when I made them. They started messing with me while I was asleep. I'd wake up paralyzed, frightened, with what felt like a large guitar string up my rectum and urethra, being flossed. I could see them. They were devilish little things. Horrible black, soul-less eyes. Completely empty. Unfortunately, I have to end this segment of my testimony. I'll accept private messages, but I won't post anymore about this time period due to potential personal threat.

Skipping forward. Long story short, I was misdiagnosed. When I met with a cardiologist to talk about putting a splint in my heart, he went back and looked at the test results. There was a typo on the test results. I was both furious and relieved. I tried to get the name of the doctor who made the typo but the system covered up for him quite well. I knew who conducted the test because he was a former doctor I had seen, but I was more concerned about who interpreted the results and made the typo. Every time I asked who read the procedure I was told, " We don't know. "

This of course didn't stop any of my chest pain. X-ray after X-ray, CT after CT, with no results, I finally had an endoscopy. A large hiatal hernia was found. This made sense. Since the age of 11 ( the same age I was being tormented every night as a child ), I was regurgitationg almost everything I swallowed, from water, to food, to even my own saliva. If it went down my esophagus, it was sure to come back up. Quite a nasty problem.

I was told this was definitely the cause of the chest pain. Fine, now I knew. Surgery was an option that was recommended. To have the surgery I had to go through a series of esophagus motility tests to make sure my swallowing mechanism was up to par and could withstand the correction. I got the tests done. Horrible tests. Sticking tubes all the way through you nose to your throat and stomach, and making you swallow liquids. That was the manometry test. For me, it felt like torture. Then there was the acid pH test. It was similar, except I had to keep two sets of tubes running up my nose through my stomach for 24 hrs. Hellish.

After getting the tests done, I decided to hold off on surgery because I thought I could live with the pain, especially since I knew it wasn't heart related any longer. And regurgitating everything I swallowed was so much a part of my life it seemed normal. One day I was looking in the mirror and saw two little red marks near my xiphoid process. They weren't capillary bursts, but they looked similar. What got me was the location. This was where my diaphragm was torn allowing my stomach to enter my chest cavity. I started to wonder how long I had these marks. It didn't feel like just a mere coincidence.

Then my breathing went. Granted, I've had asthma my whole life, but this was different. I couldn't get a satisfying breath past my throat/trachea. I started regurgitating acid into my airway while I was sleeping. This acid about scarred my airway. Years later and I still can't get a satisfying breath due to the inflammation cause by the acid. Here comes the wild card. I awoke one night coughing my lungs out because of regurgitated acid in my airway once again. When I burst upright, a large scaly claw pushed my head back down onto the pillow. I was paralyzed again. What the hell was going on I was thinking to myself. It held my head down, grunted, then looked me in the eye. Its eyes were similar to those of a reptile or cat. My horror almost instantaneously turned into peacefulness. I felt compassion from this creature. It put its other claw on my chest and pressed down. After that, it took my hand and placed it on its claw. It appeared that it was friendly. It was definitely reptilian of some sort. It was so big, it had to of been 7 or 8 feet tall. Such a horrible looking creature, but it gave off this aura of protectiveness and pure love.

The next morning when I awoke, I was amazed. This had to be a dream. Reptilians in the UFOlogy literature are typically aggressive and not in anyway compassionate. It just had to be in my head. A reptilian trying to make friends with me in the middle of the night. What freaking sense did that make? Then I looked in the mirror. My entire chest and abdomen was bruised. I probably had 100s of tiny little bruises in perfect circular shaped all over me. My wife's jaw dropped. This didn't make any damn sense. I wish I would of taken a photograph, it was so unbelievable. Even more unbelievable, I could take a deep breath. What the hell happened? I'm still skeptical about this creature, and I'm looking more into it.

My ability to take deep breaths eventually tapered off so I was back at square one again. I decided to have the damn surgery because all my doctors at that point were saying that if I didn't have the surgery I was putting my life at risk. I could permanently destroy my airway with acid and my Barret's could turn into cancer, and that's a cancer that will kill you really quick. I had the surgery. It got rid of the regurgitation and rephlux, but hasn't done much to improve my breathing to this day. It's possible that when my stomach tore through my diaphragm that it compromised the diaphragm enough to not fully expand anymore. Add that on top of airway acidic damage and asthma, I might not every breath normally ever again. Now I'm coughing up black speckled phlegm everyday ( which I've been meaning to make a post about also for inquiry ), but no doctor will help me with that. I've asked for bronchoscopies, but I'm always met with opposition like I'm crazy and it's all in my head.

Now that you know a little about me, I'll get onto the meat of the issue, the greys. I originally thought they were extraterrestrial, like many people still do. These little devils are liars. And when they enter your life, it's an abusive, one sided relationship. They telepathically communicate so it's hard to know what your conscious is saying when it's mixed with theirs. They like to make those of us they torment believe they're doing it for our own good. They groom us. They tell us we're special, and that we're loved, and that we should be grateful for them in our lives because they protect us.

But when you see them in the flesh ( and I'll get more into that ), they have no emotional connection. They stand there like puppets ( because they are ), and their eyes are lifeless ( because they are ). The sense of dread a person experiences when in their presence is incredible. I'm not the only one to describe this. Whitley Strieber has done a wonderful job of describing the dread he felt when they entered his life. I'm not sure exactly where he stands now, but his books and descriptions of the encounters themselves are spot on. They're terrifying little monsters.

This post is already getting way too long. My theory is that the greys aren't aliens at all. I've described them on this forum before as demons. Some people don't like that word because it makes them think of religion. Choose your own word. Egregore. Archon. Golem. Spirit. Interdimensional f***heads. Whatever! They aren't extraterrestrial. They hide on the Earth in different spectrum, maybe even between dimensions. Their nature suggests they have more in common with ghosts/poltergeists than they do any kind of alien from outer space. They enter into the lives of people who have suffered abuse ( mental, emotional, sexual ) and feed off the trauma, providing even more of it. They have more to do with ritual magic than they do technology. When you see them in the sky, they look like bright pulses of light. They don't have physical nuts/bolts craft. It's energetic, light-like.

And their bodies. Their bodies are horrible. They've been harvesting cattle ( and even humans ) for soft tissues to construct their puppet bodies. When people say they smell like death, not only are they not kidding, but they're spot on! Their bodies are patched together from mutilated animals. They're not checking out the beef, they're making themselves puppets so they can interact us with on the physical plane. When you consider all this, they sound a lot like damn demons. Whether they're some type of synthetic creature, ai, spiritual manifestation, they sure as hell aren't extraterrestrials! Old folklore literature describes the same entities, they're just called different things. They get called fairies a lot. They've been around for a long time.

I'll end the post now. It's too long as is. I'm sorry for the long winded personal story. I just wanted to be able to relate personally some of the things I've gone through to get to where I am now.

Remnant of God #fundie remnantofgod.org

(Note: This is only the first half of the article)

Ever notice how evolutionists will manipulate reality to try and do away with creationism? For example, when you ask an evolutionist how they come up with the age of the sedimentary layers in the earth, they will always tell you they date them by the fossils found in those sedimentary layers. Then when you ask them how they come up with the age of the fossils, they say their age is determined by which sedimentary layer of rock they’re found in. But how can that be? How can the rocks date the layers, if the layers date the rocks? That's what's called “circular reasoning.” One minute they say the rock determines the age of the fossil, the next they say the fossil determines the age of the rock.

Darwin said “It is a truly wonderful fact… that all plants throughout all time and space should be related to each other…” –The Origin of the Species p 170.
The evolutionist agrees with Darwin and says all life on earth evolved from primordial soup, which then somehow formed into many different species like birds, animals, plants, fish etc; and those birds, animals, plants and fish evolved into many different types of species themselves. For example, they believe a bird later formed different types of lizards, horses and dogs. They also believe that plants created everything from vines to trees to flowers, and fish evolved into dinosaurs, apes and humans. If that’s true, then I have to ask the evolutionist why is it for the last 6000 years of recorded history that not a single new species has ever been created? Scientific fact is, we still have many of the old species among us, and we know of many that did in fact become extinct. But not a single bird has been found that used to be a fish. And not a single bird has been found that is related to a lizard. If life truly evolves like they say it does, why did it all of a sudden stop dead in its tracks 6000 years ago? After all, if life is as they define it to be, then it must be a constant evolutionary process for life to continue, which means that evolutionary process be never ending. Some have claimed that mutations are evolution because of some moth that changed its color years ago. Real scientists discovered that the moth changed its color because of its environment. In other words, if just changing its color means they evolved, then that must mean that every time I work in the garden and get a tan I’m actually evolving?

And by the way, I say 6000 years because as Christians we know by reading Genesis chapters 1 & 2 that our Lord created all that is seen and unseen in creation week 6000 years ago. We also know this is when creation stopped and He hallowed the day He rested. We call that day Sabbath to this day and we keep it holy to acknowledge Him as our Creator every seventh day. Could it be this is why Satan inspired Darwin with evolution? I believe so because evolution allows you to hide the fact you were created and in so doing removes your requirement to acknowledge Him as Lord which would mean you need to and obey Him since He truly would know what’s best for you seeing how it is He that made you.

Getting back, the evolutionist believes the evolutionary cycle is never ending, but they too cannot explain why according to their Darwin inspired calculations that there has been no new species recorded for hundreds of millions of years, let alone the true 6000 years as reality dictates.

They also state it takes billions of years for each animal, insect or plant to evolve. If that's true, why do we have termites? Termites eat wood but can't digest it. In their intestines are smaller insects that digest the cellulose the termites place in there for them. Kind of like the worm inside the cricket. The termite can't exist without the smaller insect, and the smaller insect can't live without the termite. If evolution is true neither insect should be on this planet.

There are even some that believe in Creation, but not the Bible version wherein it took only 6 days. These so called "Creationists" insist it took 1000 years for each "day" of creation because 2 Peter 3:8 says, "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" If they aren’t twisting that passage out of context and it is as they claim, why do we have wasps that rely on certain plants to lay their eggs within them to procreate. And if this is true, how do those plants survive without the wasp pollinating them? If the plants and the wasps were created thousands of years apart, how does the plant pollinate without the wasp, and how does the wasp procreate without the plant? That means the 1000 years for each day recorded in Genesis must be wrong by simply applying easy to research reality.

Moving right alone, we have the big bang theory which declares a spinning dot of absolutely nothing exploded to form all the planets, stars, asteroids, black holes, quasars, nova’s, and primordial soup found on earth. According to the scientific discovery called, “conservation of angular momentum”, which actually means, if what’s spinning in a clockwise manner explodes, everything flying off of it will explode in the exact same manner. That being the case, why is it 2 planets, and numerous moons orbiting many planets in our galaxy alone spin in a different direction than all the others. If their big bang theory was true, why is it those planets and moons appear to have come off of a different explosion? Were there two big bangs?

Jumping ahead a bit, let’s take a look at man for example. The Word of God says we were created with Human bodies that have organs that are designed to live forever. Science has recently proven that if we were to learn something new every second, we would take well over 3 million years to exhaust the memory capacity of our "post flood" brains. (Pre-flood brains were 3 times larger) Now keep in mind, no one learns something every second. They just calculated it that way to get an educated idea. Most will learn something new once a week or even once a month and later in life once every few months or so. That means the human brain, as small as it is now, can handle the data for literally billions of years. That being the case, we see that evolutionists also claim that all species evolve after there is a need for a change. So I have to ask, how is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over billions of years, when all we can live up to is 90 -100 years? If evolution is true, why haven’t we evolved to age extremely slow so as to meet the requirements of our own brains, wherein we can live for an eternity?

When you get time I would like to ask you to view a video of a scientific experiment wherein they show how sound waves can actually create visible light when they are directed towards a body of water. The video can be found online. It’s titled, "What happens when you collapse an underwater bubble with a soundwave?" The link is found in box #4 of this sermon’s notes. When you watch that video you will be amazed at how nothing but sound-waves pointed at water did in fact create light, just as the Bible dictates.

Genesis 1:2-3, "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
Ok.. Picture a sphere of water in Space. God literally SPEAKS and says, "Let there be light." That amazingly loud blast of sound causes the water to form a small bubble within it. Then that sphere of water collapses internally upon that bubble, and as we see in that video, "there was light" created at that exact moment. Better yet, the scientists also discovered there was an enormous amount of heat generated when that happened, and the method by which the heat arrives is what they deduce to this day is what caused our Sun to be formed in our Solar System. Pretty convincing argument for the creationist is it not?

Ok.. let’s talk dinosaurs. Were you aware that Tyrannosaurus Rex was not a meat eater? Yes, I am fully aware that every evolutionist, and Hollywood director insists that he was. But Christian scientists have recently discovered two things about T-Rex that proves we have all been lied to for quite some time. They found that the roots of T-Rex’s teeth were only 2 inches deep. That means, had he bit into the hide of another dinosaur in his day he would have lost all his teeth. When you compare the size of T-Rex and the fact his roots were only 2 inches deep, he couldn’t have possibly been able to break the hide of such animals as most evolutionists have him eating. His teeth would have broken off before he even broke the skin. Better yet, were you also aware that these same scientists took one of the teeth they dug up, cut it in half, and they actually found the teeth to be gorged with chlorophyll all the way to the center of the tooth. This confirms he never ate meat. Ever.

Now because this evidence is so well known now among scientific circles, evolutionists know they cannot say it’s not true. The data has been published, and they were caught in a lie. But to try and cover the lie, some evolutionists now claim his teeth are gorged with chlorophyll because he ate dinosaurs that were vegan. Problem with that theory is, it still doesn’t negate the fact that the teeth of T-Rex only had roots that went 2 inches deep, which would still make it impossible for them to eat meat. Still, the Christian scientists also offered data that showed the teeth of modern day animals that eat only herbivores. That’s right, their teeth had absolutely no chlorophyll in them.

By the way, this discovery concerning T-Rex also validates the Biblical record once again! Before the flood of Noah, which is when evolutionists claim dinosaurs roamed the earth, and they also claim no man was alive then, we have a Bible verse that declares they were not originally designed to be meat eaters.

Genesis 1:30, "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."
Still, some claimed this to be impossible by using mankind as an example. They claimed that we as humans must eat meat to receive the proteins found in meat to grow big and strong. They claim that without meat we couldn’t gain weight or become strong enough to sustain life. Besides the fact that you can actually find much more protein in some plant life than you will ever find in meat, look around on planet earth for a moment. Look at all the HUGE animals like cows, horses, hippos, elephants, rhinos. etc. Or look at some of the ancient dinosaurs that evolutionists do admit were herbivores, like the brontosaurus or thunder lizards that were the largest mammals ever to walk the earth. All of them were herbivores! How did they get so big? How is it the elephant, giraffe or hippos, just to name a few, are so large yet they never eat meat?

Now I would like to get into a few scientific facts I found that can do a much better job and confirming what I saw. After all, I’m no scientist. So, I would like to quote a few if you don’t mind.

9nania #fundie indigoflower.net

In the previous examination, we looked at Genesis 1, which seems to describe the terraforming of the Earth by the Elohiym. Genesis 1 also indicates the Elohiym were a group of benevolent beings that were either Human or Humanoid, that were responsible for creating the conditions on Earth that would sustain life, and were also the ones who either created all life on the planet, or brought forth all the life; in other words, brought the life here.

In this examination, we are going to look at Genesis 2, which introduces the YHWH, who established ancient Mesopotamia and used cells from humans to create what seems to be a hybrid of both Gods and Humans used to breed with humans. We’ll be using the definitions of the Hebrew words from Blue Letter Bible.org, Bible Study Tools.com, and Bible Hub.com. The links are below if you want to follow along.

The King James Translation of Genesis Chapter 2 verse 1 says, “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” But the direct translation says, “The sky of the earth was complete and all war.” So we know the word for sky, number 8064, means “atmosphere.” So it can be translated, “The atmosphere of the earth was complete, and all…” number 3605, which means “the whole” or “all throughout”, and this word, number 6635 means “war” or “warfare”. So another translation of Genesis 2 verse 1 can say, “The atmosphere of the earth was completed then all throughout there was war.” In other words, sometime after humans were put here, wars began.

Then verse 2 in the King James Translation says, “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” So we know the word for “God”, number 430, means “Elohiym” and it is plural, so the word “his” should be “they”. Also notice the first word, “And” is not actually in the original text. So verses 2 and 3 can also read, “But on the seventh day the Elohiym ended their work which they had made; and they rested on the seventh day from all their work which they had made. So the Elohiym blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it they had rested from all their work which the Elohiym created and made.” So this is saying, after the Elohiym made earth a paradise, there was war everywhere, but the 7th day is the blessed day, in other words, the 7000th year is the blessed millenium. This is important, its code, and we will see why later. But for now, we’ll continue with verse 4.

Notice verse 4 introduces a new name for God. All throughout Genesis 1, the word for God was number 430, which means “Elohiym”, and in Genesis 2 it remains “Elohiym” until verse 4. Then the name for God changes. The King James translation says, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.” So notice the word “God” number 430, which means “Elohiym” is still present, but this word “LORD” in all capital letters is now introduced. In the Old Testament, the word translated as “LORD” in all capital letters, is usually, but not always, word number 3068, which is “Yehovah”. We discussed in a previous video that the original hebrew word was “YHWH” without the consonants, and is sometimes pronounced “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”. Hosea 13 tells us YHWH acts as the Beasts of Daniel, and Revelation 13 tells us YHWH is the Beast with 7 Heads and 10 Horns. We also looked at Exodus 6:3 which says the Lord did not appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob by the name YHWH, but appeared to them by the name “God Almighty” or “El Shaddai”. This is a very important statement, because we know the word “YHWH” is used in all three of those stories in the bible. The current translations of the Bible tell us “YHWH” was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For example, if you look at Genesis 12 verses 1 and 2, it says the LORD told Abraham to leave his country and his father’s house and the LORD would make him a great nation. Well we know the word translated as “LORD” in Genesis 12 is “YHWH”, so there are only two possibilities here: Either Genesis 12:1 is correct, and YHWH was the God of Abraham, or Exodus 6:3 is correct and the God of Abraham was El Shaddai. Both verses cannot be true. So because Hosea 13 and Revelation 13 explain for us that YHWH is the Beast, it seems that Genesis 12:1 has to be false and Exodus 6:3 is giving us a clue that the texts have been altered. That is confirmed in Jeremiah 8:8. The King James Translation says, “How do you say, ‘We are wise and the law of the LORD is with us?’ Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.” But when we look at this word translated as “vain”, number 8267, we can see it is translated the majority of the time as “false” or “falsehood”. So Jeremiah 8:8 is telling us the pen of the scribes is in falsehood, and that seems to confirm what Exodus 6:3 is telling us; that Abraham didn’t know God by the name YHWH, yet the name YHWH was inserted into the story of Abraham. Jeremiah indicates that is because the pen of the scribes is in falsehood, in other words, the texts were altered. That doesn’t mean everything in the texts were altered, but it does mean at least some of it was. So we should use common sense when we read the material, for example, when we read in Exodus 30:16 that YHWH required money in order to make atonement for the souls of the Israelites, we can be sure that was not the Elohiym who terraformed the earth making it habitable for life, because they chose not to dominate the earth (which they had the full opportunity to do) but instead, they let humans have dominion on the earth. So this Lord in Exodus 30:16 sounds more like the Beast, who we are told acted as all four of Daniel’s Empires; the lion, the leopard, and the bear, which represent the Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, and the Roman Empire. That may be telling us that the texts were altered during that time period.

So as we go through Genesis 2 we’ll keep that in mind. The King James version indicates in verse 4 that YHWH created the whole earth, but we know that contradicts what Genesis 1 already told us; that the Elohiym created the earth. The Bible itself tells us YHWH is the Beast, and the word itself, number 3068, stems from the word 1961, which means “fall out”, and that word is compared to word 1933, which also means “to fall”, and that word is compared to word 0183, which means “to covet” or “be greedy”.

So verses 4 and 5 in the King James translation say, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew, for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.” And the first word, number 428, means “these” but it also means “those”, so it can also be translated, “Those were the generations when the heavens and the earth were created.” And we already know the word translated as “heavens” means “atmosphere”. So the first part of verse 4 says, “Those were the generations when the atmosphere of the earth was created.” Then it says, “The day that YHWH Elohiym made…”, or word number 6213, which also means “acquired”. So it says, “The day that YHWH acquired the earth and the atmosphere, every plant of the field…” or, word number 7704, which means “cultivated field” and the definition of the word “cultivated” is “Raised or grown on a farm or under other controlled conditions.” So its saying, “the plants cultivated…” Then this word 2962 means “not yet”. So it says, “The plants were not yet cultivated, or grown under controlled conditions in the earth…” or number 776, which also means land. So, “The plants were not yet grown under controlled conditions in the land and the herbs were not yet grown. Then this word translated as “for”, number 3588, means “because”, this word number 369 means “not”, the word translated as “man”, number 120, is adam, which means “mankind” or “human being” what we would call in modern language “humans”, and the word 5647 means “to serve as subjects” or “to make oneself a servant”. So verses 4 and 5 can be translated, “Those were the generations when the atmosphere of the earth was created. And in the day that YHWH God acquired the earth and the atmosphere, the plants were not yet in cultivated fields in the land and herbs were not yet grown under controlled conditions because YHWH God had not caused it to rain on the land, and humans were not made servants to till the ground. Then there went up a mist from the land and watered the surface of the ground.” So that makes sense because the Elohiym did not put Humans on earth to be servants. In Genesis 1 it told us the Elohiym made the earth habitable, and put the plants and trees here for food and gave humans dominion over everything, but it did not say they forced humans to farm the food. It said the plants and fruit trees had their seed in themselves. Now its saying, in the day when YHWH acquired the earth, plants were not being cultivated. So the humans were not growing their food under controlled conditions when YHWH acquired the earth. Then it says YHWH caused a mist to come up from the ground, and that sounds like some form of irrigation.

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QAnon Supporters #conspiracy thedailybeast.com

What the hell is QAnon?

The nutty conspiracy theory espoused by Trump supporters is so labyrinthian and removed from reality that even its biggest fans can’t seem to fully explain it.

Speaking with a bevy of QAnon groupies attending Trump’s Thursday evening rally in Wilkes-Barre, Penn., CNN correspondent Gary Tuchman pressed them to offer evidence for the fringe movement’s claims.

“Who do you think Q is?” Tuchman asked one woman wearing a Q shirt reading “The Storm Is Here.”

“It’s an entity of ten or less people that have high security clearance,” she replied.

“How do you know that?” Tuchman asked.

“I’m just telling you what it appears to be,” she said.

“What it appears to be,” the reporter repeated. “So you don’t have any proof of it. You’re just guessing.”

“And you don’t have any proof there isn’t,” the woman defiantly fired back.

As The Daily Beast’s own Will Sommer recently explained, QAnon is a grassroots conspiracy theory that originated on 4chan and its fringe companion 8chan last year. An anonymous person or persons, going by the pseudonym “Q,” has been posting a vague series of what supporters (the “Anon” part) call “breadcrumbs,” helping them piece together a completely bizarre plot line in which President Trump was secretly appointed by the U.S. military to take down a cabal of global banking fat cats, Hillary Clinton-led murder squads, deep-state actors, and Pizzagate-like pedophile rings that have long controlled the “criminal presidency.”

Trump and his allies will eventually send all of these supposed enemies of freedom—including Clinton, Barack Obama, and Tom Hanks (wtf?)—to prison at Guantanamo Bay. That great reckoning is called “The Storm.”

Further complicating an already-insane narrative, QAnon disciples have been told that Special Counsel Robert Mueller—who is currently probing alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia—is actually working hand-in-hand with the president to take down this shadowy cabal of pedophiles.

Oh, and after previously thinking Trump himself was Q, some disciples now believe John F. Kennedy Jr. faked his own 1999 death to take on the anonymous identity and destroy the pedophiles and deep-state operatives who control the government.

...

Vice News reporter Evan McMorris-Santoro interviewed a QAnon-supporting couple, Jennifer and Jamie Buteau, who became internet-famous when Q fans believed they saw President Trump directly wave at and acknowledge the pair at the end of his Tampa speech.

“It’s fun [to be a part of] because things get revealed,” Jennifer claimed. “It’s fun because we know before it’s going to happen,” Jamie chimed in, adding that “Q told us that at 4 a.m., the media get their talking points.”

His proof that the prophecy came true: “The video with the media, [where it] starts out with one, and then they keep adding blocks and, before you know it, they’re all saying the same thing,” a.k.a., the damning Deadspin video compilation showing affiliate anchors working for Sinclair, a right-wing media conglomerate, reading off the exact same Trump-like script decrying “the troubling trend of irresponsible, one-sided news stories plaguing our country.”

Buteau offered that example without irony or seemingly any knowledge of the actual pro-Trump nature of those infamous must-read Sinclair scripts.

The lack of any physical evidence even remotely confirming their claims hasn’t stopped QAnon supporters from confidently boasting of the movement’s success.

Speaking with another woman in Q shirt in Wilkes-Barre on Thursday, CNN’s Tuchman pointedly asked: “You think maybe it just makes you comfortable talking with other frustrated, sometimes angry people?”

“Yes!” the woman beamed.

“But maybe it’s not true because there’s no evidence of it,” Tuchman continued, “it’s just stuff being talked about on the internet, right?”

Her response: “There hasn’t been any non-evidence yet.”

dlo_3us2001 #fundie groups.yahoo.com

A discussion of evolution between Sandy (dlo_3us2001) and another group member, prompted by Sandy posting an article entitled "The Dynamo Contradiction":

Earl says:

"I find the Pantheistic explanation very poetically pleasing."


Aren't the pantheists, the ones that follow a Goat God?

Here is what a believer named Kungfuzed says (about Pantheists):

"Willamena told me I should add Pantheism to my Religion title so I decided to look into it. I've really never heard of it. When I hear Pan I think of that little goat man dancing around with his pipes. I'd imagine Pantheism would be the worship of a little goat man. I think the word PanAtheism or Pannaturalism would be better. That way I can at least be a little goat man with no belief in God or just a natural little goat man."


Earl says:

"Through the study of genetics, we know today that corn's wild ancestor is a grass called teosinte. Teosinte doesn't look much like maize, especially when you compare its kernals to those of corn. But at the DNA level, the two are surprisingly alike. They have the same number of chromosomes and a remarkably similar arrangement of genes. In fact, teosinte can cross-breed with modern maize varieties to form maize-teosinte hybrids that can go on to reproduce naturally."


Earl, what does the DNA in corn and teosinte have to do with there being NO God?

Anything that has similar DNA, just means that God uses the same blueprint for many of his creation.

Don't living things all have eyes, noses, ears, legs,

Do you realize that Bananas and, dolphins, have some of the same DNA as humans?


Earl says:

"It is far from mathematically impossible that life began as a single cell organism. What would prevent that, mathematically speaking? Do you believe that god is incapable of making that so...that evolution is god's mechanism for populating the earth? Seems to me that saying it can not be is a vanity in and of itself. Isn't that a mortal sin?"


I never stated that evolution was God's mechanism for populating the earth. That is your theory, correct? So who is committing the sin of pride/vanity? I am believing by FAITH that God created the earth exactly as he stated he did. God is perfectly capable of making life from whatever way he chooses, but he CHOSE to create Adam and Eve in his image and in the way he created them. Everything that he did during the first 6 days for to prepare for his crowning creation, which was mankind. For if he had created man first, then there would have been no EARTH, AIR, or FOOD, TREES, SUN, WATER or ANIMALS to help Adam and Eve survive........ God does things in steps as well as we do. Why would God create something, then wait it out for billions of years and decide to allow the creation to create these others things? Why should the creation GET the glory for what God did in 6 days?

Imagine if the EYE had tried to evolve...it would of dried out before the eyelid came into play.

Here is an article you can read about the mathematical impossibility of evolution:

http://www.icr.org/article/mathematical-impossibility-evolution/

Sandy

DoctorDoom #fundie libertydwells.com

Evolution is a big lie perpetrated, not by autocrats or Big Brother, but by people who fancy themselves intellectual and scientific. Such beliefs prove one thing: intelligence is no guarantee of wisdom.

If the rest of this piece seems just a tad on the facetious, cynical side, it's simply because this writer has a hard time being serious while discussing such silliness as Darwinism. Nevertheless, where the context demands it, we will of course be properly pedantic.

A definition of evolution is in order: it is the theory that all life-forms evolved from lower forms, and in the beginning a single cell, which mysteriously appeared from non-living organic matter, was the great-great-etcetera-grandfather of all life. Everything evolved strictly by accident, random events, uncontrolled changes without logic or reason. There was no intelligence or purposefulness behind the staggering number of transitions that started with Cell One and wound up with ants and elephants and hummingbirds and oak trees and human beings, with frogs and philosophers.

To appreciate the absurdity of it, consider this mathematical trivia: if one of each letter from a Scrabble game is dropped in a pile and chosen at random, the probability of selecting them alphabetically, or in any other specified order, is 26 factorial, meaning 26 x 25 x 24 and so on. That comes out to one chance in a bit over 400 septillion (4 followed by 26 zeroes).

403,291,461,126,605,635,584,000,000

Now imagine, if you will, that the 3,568,489 letters of the King James Bible are spread out across a parking lot. A chimp is then assigned the job of picking up the letters and laying them in a row. Evolution's principle is that letter by letter the text of the Bible is perfectly reproduced.

Needless to say, the mathematical odds against accidental, uncontrolled evolution beginning with a single cell and ending with the diversity and disparity of life forms now on Earth are too enormous to even calculate. (It was estimated that the chance evolution of a horse involves odds of one in 10e60000, which is the technical way of saying 1 followed by 60,000 zeroes. Some odds!)

Tim Tony Stark Rifat #crackpot #conspiracy psychicwarfare.com

<Selections from this intense screed had to be made.>
PSYCHIC WARFARE DEFEAT AGEING SERVICE

Psychic Warfare was created to make enemies ill drive them mad and kill them. The US and Russian military use the scientific approach to try and get a handle on the techniques of Witches, Black Magicians, Sorcerers and Shamans who used magic to harm and kill enemies. Until recently this methodology was sideline to quackery, sharlatanism and fraudulent persuits. The truth is that everyone around you and your own badly programmed subconscious are causing premature ageing disease and death. Only recently biology has begun to fill in the steps to how Psychic Warfare could cause illness, disease and death in victims. Recent research on cell signal transduction, epigenetics and quantum mechanics give a meaningful pathway as to how Psychic Warfare phenomena can influence, control and finalize every aspect of cell biology. To put it succinctly every cell has protein receptors on the cell membrane or above and below the cell membrane which control DNA transcription by enabling ligands from outside the cell to change, influence and control DNS transcription. By this means the cell reacts to environmental stimuli and changes to react to it´s environment. The proteins on the cell membranes which acts as receptors change their confirmation when ligands attach to them. These ligands can also be simply frequencies as in millimeter waves from 5G and microwave from 4G.
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Since DNA replication is incredibly accurate one error in half a billion copies while epigenetic errors exist in less than 1 in 50 copies it is obvious that epigenetic errors cause massive damage in the cells and lead to premature ageing. Since they can be corrected, eliminated or optimized by signal transduction on the cell´s surface if you knew what signals to broadcast this would massively increase lifespan. Similarily 5G and 4G massively damage your epigenom causing illness, obesity and madness. These damaged cells then poison surrounding cells and lead to a cascade effect of premature ageing. See the Forbes article “Senolytic Therapies and the Quest to Cure Ageing”.

The Super genious Tim Tony Stark Rifat will now be releasing a whole series of videos to show how Psychic Warfare control of cell signal transduction can lead to editing and enhancing the epigenetic genom changing the phonotype and viaplasmids changing the genome. All of this leading to extending lifespan in a diseasefree younger modality that will allow lifespan to be extended in the middle aged state for several hundred years longer than is generally accepted to be possible. We recommend the interested parties to watch the antiageing and health videos on Gridkeeper which are the pre-amble to the concerted attack on the ageing disease using Psychic Warfare research from the cold war developed by Tim Tony Stark Rifat to 5th generation and beyond versions which now offer modalities to control disease and ageing which werent possible in the past.
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It is pure fraud to think a simple program could reprogram your subconscious in hours. MKULTRA addressed the power of the subconscious and victims in Canada experimented upon by Dr Cameron were given colostomys and putin morgue meatlockers for 6 months to totally wipe out their neuronal network higher cognitive functions. These blank brains could then have their subconscious reprogrammed with multiple personalities which displayed radically different phenotypes due to epigenetic control of the genome by different multiple conscious observation of the protein signal transducers on the cell membrane leading to radically different humans in the same body.
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Since the British government have been trying to use thermo levels of microwvave, biowaepons and radiation to kill off Tim Tony Stark Rifat since 1996 he is a living example of epigenetic control to negate lethal attacks. If you read his first book and the DIA documents in the back, you will find the DIA report that psychics are not killed by microwave but simply becomes agressive when irradiated which explains the Tim Tony Stark Rifat disposition. Since 5G is designed to slowly kill you by interferring maliciously with cell signal transduction and cause epigenetic changes that rapidly age and kill you – driving you demented: it is Tim Tony Stark Rifat´s malicious pleasure to see all his non customers tortured to death slowly and horribly by the 5G network – enjoy!

S. D. Wells #conspiracy naturalnews.com

Top 9 vaccine ingredients you would never eat if found in food, so why allow them to be injected into muscle tissue?

#1. Infected African Green Monkey Kidney Vero Cells

#2. Deadly Porcine (Pig) Virus called Circovirus (in highly experimental Rotavirus jab)

#3. Fetal Cells from Human Abortions

#4. Peanut Oil (the main cause of childhood severe peanut allergies)

#5. Latex (some syringes are poked through latex vial stoppers, hence severe childhood latex allergies)

#6. FD&C Yellow #6 aluminum lake dye (why do we need vaccines to be colorful?)

#7. Squalene (main cause of auto-immune disorder)

#8. Over 50 Parts Per Million of Mercury (still found in certain flu shots)

#9. Genetically Modified DNA from other Humans (foreign proteins cause unnatural immune reactions)

Sounds like some crazy witch’s brew for turning people into mice, doesn’t it? The theory of working vaccines is that you give a human a tiny weakened strain of an infectious disease, their body builds antibodies to fight it, and the next time the same disease is encountered “in the wild,” that human’s immune system is ready to fight, and better prepared. Sounds great. So why then does “modern science” infuse known neurotoxins into vaccines that cause severe allergic reactions, anaphylactic shock, autism, comas and even death?

Shocking Truth: Modern vaccines are not meant to prevent disease, but to cause long-term disorders that earn Big Pharma a fortune
Yes, we know, you want to believe American medicine isn’t so corrupt, but it is. In the 1960s, vaccine manufacturers had no idea what the heck they were doing at all. Merck scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admitted on tape that vaccines were spreading disease instead of preventing it. The polio vaccine contained SV40 cancer virus. Other vaccines were being produced using brain tissue from human abortions. Cell cultures from aborted fetuses are STILL used in today’s vaccines, including WI-38 and MRC-5. If you don’t believe it, check the CDC’s own vaccine ingredient web pages right here.

The polio vaccine is a complete hoax and is based on a complete misrepresentation of historical data, that duped over a hundred million Americans. How? The infamous Dr. Jonas Salk (fake hero), removed the kidneys of rhesus monkeys, cut them into tiny pieces, placed them in vials with a nutrient solution and three strains of polio, and then literally rocked the bottles (like a newborn baby) using a mechanical machine. This “incubator” stimulated growth of the virus. The formula was then diluted and weakened with formaldehyde (they call it attenuated today), chilled, and shipped to laboratories around the world. Voila! The amazing useless polio vaccine was invented and the hoax was sold to the world by the CDC.

Guess what? Today, the crooks and freaks at the CDC and Merck use infected African Green monkey kidney cells in the smallpox vaccine. Are you still in denial? Check this FDA page of “vaccines, blood, and biologics” and you’ll find the truth about African Green monkey kidney cells being injected into humans for the sake of “immunity.”

Now check out this video, censored by Facebook, that’s now available at this REAL.video link, featuring Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. of the World Mercury Project, warning America about the epidemic of vaccine-induced degenerative disease.

If the science of vaccines was legitimate, then the mass media would let the science speak for itself. Learn the risks for yourself. The pro-vaccine cult is “anti-science” themselves, knowing the truth about the toxins in vaccines would change millions of minds about what they call “modern medicine.” There are immunization alternatives. Check NaturalPedia.com for more solutions.

SoilentGreenz #fundie gamefaqs.com

(Thread Title: I am boycoting the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco they promote evolution.)

So I took my lovely wife and our 3 beautiful children to the Steinhart Aquarium ( California Academy of Sciences ) in San Francisco last weekend while we were attending the marriage of a friend. It turns out that the Aquarium is pushing a massive agenda of trying to proselytize to children that evolution is real, as in we evolved from single cell organisms and not from God. They also claimed that the universe was created from a single unit of Dark Matter and not divinely created by our lord God. They had noted Liberal Whoopie Goldberg narrating the explanation for the creation of the universe during the Planetarium show. They would not allow people to leave who were offended by the show either, they forced us to continue to watch the lies.

On top of all this they also had a huge exhibit about global warming claiming that it is going to kill us all when the reality is global warming is a lie as revealed by the emails of the scientists fabricating evidence.

As a child I remembered going to the Aquarium and marveling at all the exhibits and animals and wanted to share the experience with my children, unfortunately after their renovations they removed most of the animals and made it a huge billboard for spreading liberal anti god bias in a format that is aimed towards children.

I wish I could find an Aquarium or Zoo that address the divine aspects of creation and existence instead of constantly forcing squares into circle slots.

Is anyone else tired of 'science' presenting these theories ( some of which have been dis proven like evolution) as absolute fact to our children?

BlueCollarJoe #fundie gaiaonline.com

Remember this. Science by concensus is not science. It is politics under the guise of science headed by political monkeys out to pelt anyone who disagrees.
Lets break down the salient points, which the evolutionist followers, who are pretty akin to a religious institution, in spite of their howls to the contrary, are.

Evolution: Random mutations caused the changes and evolution of all species. All life began with one single cell organism. Never mind the complexity, nor that Darwin himself said if it would take more than one change to facilitate evolution, his entire theory was useless.
There is not one missing link. There are tens of thousands.

Creationism: Some dude pulled everything out of his wazoo from nothing and bang!! Here we are.

Intelligent Design: Someone/thing took the available items and, using intelligence, designed all the lifeforms and things in existence and tuned it to work properly.
A better way to put this, so that the evo's can scream from their pews, is imagine someone has all the materials to build something. They forge, pound, sand and weld. In the end, five tons of material is now a Ferrarri GT.
That is intelligent design. Evolution is, well, two fucking monkeys who nail a goat and come up with a squirrel.

worship4ever #fundie christianforums.com

See, thats the problem, people should treat the bible as a science book. All 'THEORY' that doesnt support the bible is wrong. As for evoultion, i'm not even going to get into this augement, but if the bible says we came from single cell organism's, then yea, sure evolution is true. Thank God i dont see that verse in the bible though.

Acyutananda #fundie disqus.com

Acyutananda:
I'll reproduce here a comment I made under the recent "Science/Philosophy Distinction" post:
The funny thing is that the scientists who say life doesn't begin at conception don't disagree about science with those who say it does. If they were all to sit around a table and discuss one point in time of human development after another, they would closely agree about the processes going on at each point.
They are disagreeing about nomenclature, about words. It's a semantic debate. If they were to agree to freshly coin all the words they will need for the embryology field, they could probably easily coin some words and assign them the definitions that will be most useful for their scientific purposes, and come to an agreement. But since they persist in using existing words, and existing words, such as "life" and "human," have associations with implications (implications which those scientists understand) for perception and private behavior and public policy, the scientists' nomenclature preferences will be underlain by their different philosophies, and a faction of scientists with one philosophy will want to use different words than a faction of scientists with a different philosophy. The pro-choice side will want us to view the scientific reality (upon which there is no disagreement) through a word filter that will make the pro-choice side look good and feel good, rather than a filter that will make the pro-life side look good and feel good.
Moreover, many existing words, including "life," have multiple meanings that simply invite the unscrupulous to obfuscate. For example:
"The final quote from Robert Wyman (a neurobiologist) makes the most bizarre claim I've ever seen a pro-choice person make. Life doesn't begin at fertilization, they claim, it began billions of years ago. And that is somehow supposed to show that we can't know when an individual human life begins."
I agree that that is what Wyman was trying to show. But to some extent he evades being caught and pinned to the wall, by applying what seems to be intentional obtuseness.
It would matter not at all whether viruses were alive if we didn't reify and virtually fetishize our own categories. A failure to answer that question (are viruses alive?) wouldn't prevent us from acquiring a finely-detailed, even god-like scientific understanding of viruses, if we're otherwise capable of acquiring it.
Just as knowing whether or not an embryo is a person, or a human being, matters not at all, as long as we understand what kind of life it would have if it lives, and understand that if we kill it, we deprive it of that life. Science.

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Acyutananda:
Bessie, I don't mind your lack of interest in the issue I raised. Thanks for at least not exhibiting misunderstanding of the issue.

razzle dazzle #fundie answers.yahoo.com

There are some animals,& 15% of humans who have been scientifically proven impossible to have evolved like the rest of their species.

These animals,& people could not possibly have evolved from the supposed 1 celled organisms that magically poofed up on a totally lifeless planet,with absolutely no food,or nutrients available for the 1 celled organisms in the entire world..

But,let's look at the 15% of people today who have been scientifically proven not to have evolved like the other 85% of people.These 15% of people aren't even sexually compatible with other people.They have RH NEGATIVE BLOOD,& evolution scientists are baffled over them,because they don't share the same common "evolutionary" ancestor as RH positive blood people.

This is why people used to have to get blood tests before getting married.
RH negative blood from a mother,would kill her fetus if the baby had RH positive blood.

But,now,most RH negative blood people live together in communities in Europe.

This means it is scientific fact that not all animals,& people evolved from the supposed 1st ever one celled organisms.

This means Darwin was wrong.

This means evolution is a lie.

Cheeriohero #fundie bbs.payableondeath.com

You know scientists and all you people that straddle there coat tails are missing a huge fact...the earth was unable to support any form of life as we know it today around or even millions of years after we supposedly started evolving from the single cell organism...and what the hell makes anyone think we can evolve from apes or monkeys or anything ellse that are dna doesn't match? our blood and genetic makeup is just not compatible , and that makes all the differance.

Kevin #fundie faithforum.co.uk

All scientific theories can be 100% prooved by working backwards.

Take an insect, put him in blender, put the resulting homogenous biochemical soup in a container, create condiitons the same as the primordial soup and wait and see what happens. Nothing will happen.

Take the same insect, suffocate him to keep him intact. Put him in a jar and wait to see what happens. Nothing will happen.

In the first experiment you had all the building blocks for life in a random pattern. Did life spontaneously start?

In the second experiment you had all the building blocks for life in a highly organised pattern. Got a jump on evolution. Did life spontaneously start?

You are probably saying "what a stupid experiment", well that is the very basics of the evolution theory in nut shell.

kingjameswriter1965 #fundie #conspiracy #quack kjbisjesuschrist.wordpress.com

Coronavirus is real, folks

I admit that I was doubtful at first, but it looks as though this new virus is really happening in the USA. Just Google it and you’ll find pages about it, more than you’d like. Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

The Bible has many references to the end times, and pestilences (viruses, diseases, illnesses, etc.) are among the judgments of God in these end days. Matthew 24:7, “For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.” So as a Bible believer, I must admit to this, and realize that since knowledge (good and evil) has grown and increased much in recent times. Mad scientists are real, folks, and they, like their fictional counterparts, are out to destroy you and everything in your life. The master mad scientist is of course Satan. He is the culprit of all sin and its deadly consequences, from thousands of years ago to now.

For those who are God-haters and Christ-rejecters, the newsmedia and the entertainment industry are the sources to get information from instead of the Word of God. Unfortunately, they are liars. Even though they speak of true events and catastrophes alike, it’s the way they present them that is blown way out of proportion to get people to fear them. Hence the push on vaccines. It’s called, FEARMONGERING.

I used to see the flu shot given out from October to February, but not all year long. Now it’s every single month that they’re available– you get a call or a text from your doctor’s office or pharmacy that asks, “Have you had your flu shot yet?” So yes, the higher powers are pushing and shoving it in our faces all day long to get these vaccines to “protect ourselves.” Yet I ask you, what’s wrong with common sense? Wash your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, don’t depend on sanitizer unless you want to bathe in it, stay at least 6 feet away from people who are coughing and sneezing, and eat healthy foods. God gave us an immune system for a reason.

Besides, I question the ingredients in such vaccines. I’ll post about thimerosal, a mercury-based, cancer-causing preservative in vaccines later. I’ve heard reports that vaccines contain aborted fetal cells, or were produced from these cells. That alone makes me ill, and angry. Ever wonder what happens to aborted babies after they’re killed? The body parts are sold to pharmaceutical companies and they use them to produce vaccines, cosmetic companies use them in their products, etc. Why? Because human fetal cells are human, not animal. The elites want to protect the animals but they couldn’t care less about human life. See this article for more. Vaccine Ingredients — Fetal Tissues (Note: This article is from the CHILDREN’S HOSPITAL OF PHILADELPHIA!! The irony of using aborted baby cells to protect children, and adults, is more than I can stand. Killing life to save lives? Huh??)

By the way, do you know what you’re eating? Here’s an article that explains how human fetal cells are used in these products: https://www.sott.net/article/242726-Avoid-Any-Products-Containing-Aborted-Fetal-Cells

TonyN #fundie iidb.org

Tell me, you all knowing atheist non creationists, how did the primordial soup decide what an eye would look like or how it should function or an ear or a nose?

How did the primordial soup determine that there should be millions of different species of fish, fowl and mammal etc? and what they should look like, act, behave, build nests etc. etc. etc.?

How did just two microscopic thingamajigs get together and say, Hey, we need to make an elephant! Yes, and this is how it should look. Let's give it huge ears, eyes, a trunk for a nose, tusks etc.? Then two other microscopic thingamajigs also got together and decided that there needs to be monkeys. Then to more and this went of until there were millions of pairings of two thingamajigs that each decided to make an entirely separate animal.

What you in fact are doing is deifying the primordial soup. Maybe you atheists should worship pond skum?

Socks88 #racist niggermania.net

So I'm looking into a new boxing cardio gym which has decent hours, especially since I work and go to school often, I saw this one gym that is open till 12 AM so I was like wow this sounds good why not try it. I called up the number on the gym, some nigger picked up with a heavy nigger Louisiana accent. I asked him about the hours and pricing, he babbles something that sounds almost incoherent and I could barely understand him. Also this buck claims to own 5 gyms around the country and the local UFC members go to his gym.

I looked up the place online, there was no reviews no information about it (yet he charges $150 a month?) giving the benefit of the doubt I try to find this location, it's nowhere to be found so I call up the nigger again, he's like "where u at?" I told him I couldn't find the place, and he babbles that his gym is behind the tire shop. How shady, why does he have a location behind the tire shop? So he proceeds to tell me that he's walking the dogs, I'm like "why are there dogs at the gym?" He's like ma dogs always be stay at the gym." So I found this suspicious, he then talks to the dogs like a nigger "yo come back here you fawkin punk assses punk ass motha fuckas" who talks to dogs like that?

Especially when your on the phone with a customer asking about gym memberships, moreover it was his cell phone apparently I was calling not the store number, why is his cell number on his business site? So I'm really suspicious now, I ask him how many people are at the gym? He says "no one, they all just left" in that strong nigger accent. No ones at the gym? This is very strange. He keeps asking "where you at" I told him I'm at the light, he's like "you got me freezing out here" I pass by him, I don't stop, good thing my phone was set to private. I hang up and drive home, I see him standing there, no dogs in sight. What a fucking mess. How does this stupid nigger survive? Not even other stupid groids would pay so much for lousy nigger service,

rainafaye2000 #fundie forums.abcnews.go.com

[Creationist explaining evolution to atheists:]

Well I am sorry if I feel that evolution is silly. I mean come on. Do you even think about it. Lets see a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Just kiding. Really a long time ago earth was a molten rock. As its heat dissapted oceans became filled with primordial "SOUP" This soup presented ideal conditions for the orgin of life. It all started with a simple cells. Eventually this led to multicell organisms? Right which turned into fish. OK After a while these fish got bored living in water and wanted to get dry. So as the little fish struggled so hard to get ashore. Finally by george it developed cute little legs. And became things such as frogs, salamanders, etc.... Ok now things are moving up in the world. So then Amphibians evolved intor reptiles. Then reptiles into mammals and birds. Well Darwanism claims that fish turned into land creatures by evolving little arms and legs. Now let me ask a question. If that were true wouldn't there be fossils of fish with arms and legs??? Yet we do NOT find that. In fact all organisms appear in the fossil record fully formed. There are no transitional stages.. SO WHY IS THAT???? I am sorry but the truth is that fossil records do not support evolution. What about the Coelacanth? Wasn't that supposed to be extinct for like millions of years according to evolutionists? Then in 1938 a fisherman caught one near Africa. After examining the coelacanth it was found to be 100% fish. It had no amphibian traits. Still evolutionist claim that amphibians turned into reptiles. Again no fossil records....... There is no fossill record of reptiles being transformed into birds. OK SO NOW WHAT ABOUT THE HORSE. Horse sequence. This by the way is discredited. Eohippus actualy turned out to be a rodent. Horse evolution would want a person to believe that a gradual changes occured from 4 toed fox size creatures to todays much larger one toed horse. And I say again there are no transitional forms...... And by the way Archaopteryx was a true bird. And again there are no transitional stages here. Just a fully formed Archaopteryx. Evolution is not visible in the fossil records. And science is supposed to be based on observations??????

[Later:]

I was trying to explain the silly ideas behind evolution. Charles Darwin had the IQ of a horse fly.

Georgia Purdom #fundie answersingenesis.org

[Georgia critically reviewing scientific papers...again]

Although the title of the paper is, “Recent Acceleration of Human Adaptive Evolution,” the evidence instead supports the idea of adaptation, not evolution. Adaptation implies changes in the genetic makeup which allow an organism to survive better in a given environment. The changes or mutations do not add information but instead alter current genetic information which offers no mechanism for the common descent of all living things from single-celled ancestors. Perhaps the authors define evolution as “change in genetic makeup over time” in which case their title is accurate.

Guns Bovolt #fundie forums2.battleon.com

So, basically, do you believe in evolution? If that's so, you are believing that two apes mated, came out with some hairless freak baby with a really large head, and magically, some other horny ape couple within a reasonable distance had an equally freakish child that by some miracle is of another gender. Those two children must have found each other and mated having at least two more children of multiple genders. Next, those two must mate and have surviving children without birth defects from in breeding, to continue the race. Which, I'll assume is human.........

Yea, evolution sounds REALLY possible. Not to mention the fact that this would have had to occur thousands of times, since, according to evolutionism, we started as single celled organisms. Yet, scientist have yet to find a non divine way for life to begin.

viepr149 #fundie forum.ebaumsworld.com

ok so you admit nothing is 100% certain in science. So don't go claiming that evolution is the reason why were here today. Because we evolved from a fish . Don't go claiming this shit to be fact, cause its not.

According to you evolution takes thousands and billions of years to happen, but sadly the human life span is nowhere close to that.

In science don't you have to be able to observe something to actually say its fact and run tests. Not have some shit written down a piece of paper on how we "THINK" it happens. You guys are quick to call believers in God arrogant and blind and all this garbage.

When in turn you guys say we started from a SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM. HAHAHAHAHAHHA honestly thats really funny. Like im laughing just thinking of that.

Oboeher #fundie disqus.com

"The age of the fossil matrix can be determined by other proven dating methods such as potassium/argon."

Potassium/argon dating - based on assumptions (hardly scientific) How ever does one know the starting point or any events that may affected the levels of potassium/argon in any given sample? They don't, more assumptions and speculation.

Assumed all the argon gas escaped during formation, the initial amount of argon gas - assumes it was zero, assumes any argon gas found is a result of the radioactive decay of potassium, assumed the portion of the rock he's testing was sealed avoiding contamination, etc, etc.
So why don't you tell me which events could affect the level of radioactivity and it's decay in a sample. One doesn't need to be a physicist to see the gaping assumption holes in potassium argon dating.
Evolutionism is not scientific, it is a religion with the label "science" slapped on it. But since you seem to believe it is falsifiable, why don't you give an example of a single cell organism "evolving" into a mammal - be sure to include pictures as medicine can for its theories after all you are attempting to equate your religion with medicine.

dlo_3us2001 #fundie groups.yahoo.com

Someday, when I get to Heaven, I will ask God all about how he created such a wonderful universe.

There is NO way that all of this happened by chance.

The probability of all the living things on earth to evolve out of single cell organisms, is mathematically impossible.

Sandy

Unworthy Servant #fundie bibleforums.org

Actually the primates you mention are the best evidence in existance that evolution is a false science. If we have truly been here for 65 million years or more, and if we all started from the same linneage such as a single cell organism, and if because of our surroundings all hominids evolved in unique ways to become Arangatangs, Chimps, Gorrilas or Homo Sapien then why in all these additional millions of years of evolution haven't these other creatures at least learned to communicate, build social infrastructures, economies, or even monogomous families for that matter ?

theMage #fundie wired.com

(commenting on an article about the synthesis of one of the components of RNA in a laboratory setting}

Nobeliefrequired: check the bible, God specifically said 120 years max.

Everyone is missing a very big detail: this experiment created a COMPONENT of RNA, not even a single molecule of RNA. You evolutionists need to realize you have your own religion: Evolution. How else you explain how this reaction would have to be repeated hundreds of times, creating hundreds of different proteins, and then they have to assemble themselves in perfect order (violating the law of entropy). All this has to happen JUST TO CREATE DNA, then of course you also have to form the DOZENS of other structures REQUIRED for a SINGLE CELL ORGANISM. Your have to throw your brains in the trash to believe that was plausible.

Jay Younts #fundie shepherdpress.com

Fox and National Geographic Channels have combined to create a remake of the old Carl Sagan TV series, “Cosmos.” This new series is anything but fair and balanced. The writers of the new Cosmos make it clear they believe there is no explanation, other than evolution and random chance, for the origins of life and the universe. They are certainly free to think that way. However, the new Cosmos is not just promoting a particular view of science. The show is actively targeting and mocking Christians and any belief other than theirs.

The first program specifically went after various Christian beliefs as well as going after the Catholic church with derogatory, condescending comments. The second show portrayed the tree of evolution as the tree of life. Again there were pointed statements about the evolutionary process being ruled by chance and openly mocking the idea of intelligent design. The narrator delighted in pointing out that some people were uncomfortable and had emotional reactions to the reality that we evolved from apes and that our DNA has much in common with trees. This was illustrated with DNA replicas. I guess they thought this was more effective than showing a grinning Carl Sagan hugging a tree in the old Cosmos. Again, I have no problem with Cosmos being allowed to say what they want in the public media. But, as Christians, we would be foolish to miss the pointedness and the arrogance of the attack. Nothing is allowable except random mutation of single cell organisms and evolution to account for life on earth. Fancy graphics and an improved space ship from the first Cosmos do not change what is real.

The choice is clear about how creation occurred. You can opt for random selection or the loving, providential Word of God in the person of Jesus Christ. The former makes morality and ethics just as random as the evolutionary process itself. There are no standards and there cannot be truth. There can only be the fluid and dynamic morality of random chance.

The latter view provides the basis for accountability and purpose in life. There is much at stake here for us and for our children. Observe carefully and be ready to respond to a lost world with the truth that God is the creator of all. We are all accountable to him who has determined the exact places where we will live and who provides us with our next breath. We must be bold, clear and gentle in proclaiming that God is not a figment of the imagination, but the Lord of all creation who spoke the universe into existence.

josh lamb #fundie talkorigins.org

I like how you say there is evidence to back your theories up but then you just state what a few individuals insight is about the event how come there are so many examples to refute over and over. and even the ocean has mountains still in it and have not eroded the ocean aint just flat on the bottom it has ridge's and mountains. I dont haft to be a geologist to know this. keep trying to deceive people though just wait till you get to space and try to explain why we are the only ones for millions of miles and why there aint other lives on other planets that a single celled organism didnt evolve into that could handle the environment. God Bless and keep the insane excuses going.

Bla Bla Y #fundie answers.yahoo.com

They say life evolved on Earth from a single -cell organism which later turned into a sea creature and then a land creature. However there is absolutely no sure way to prove this right .It is only "assumed" that this is what might have happened.The big bang happened and there are 3 pieces of evidence to show how the universe formed. There is no real evidence showing the evolution of an ameoba into a sea creature. Why then is evolution forced upon every one ? why are other theories of lifes emergence not studied or discussed?

G. Nageshwar Rao and others #fundie theguardian.com

India outcry after scientists claim ancient Hindus invented stem cell research

The organisers of a major Indian science conference said they were concerned by speakers citing religious texts and ideas at the event

The organisers of a major Indian science conference distanced themselves on Sunday from speakers who used the prestigious event to dismiss Einstein’s discoveries and claim ancient Hindus invented stem cell research.

The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed “serious concern” as the unorthodox remarks aired by prominent academics at its annual conference attracted condemnation and ridicule.

The distinguished gathering of Indian researchers and scientists, which was held over the weekend, hosts Nobel laureates, but in recent years has seen Hindu faith-based theories edging onto the agenda.

At this year’s congress, the head of a southern Indian university cited an ancient Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered on the subcontinent thousands of years ago.

“We had 100 Kauravas from one mother because of stem cell and test tube technology,” said G. Nageshwar Rao, vice chancellor at Andhra University, referring to a story from the Hindu epic Mahabharata.

Rao, who was addressing school children and scientists at the event, also said a demon king from another centuries-old Hindu epic had two dozen aircraft and a network of landing strips in modern-day Sri Lanka.

“Hindu Lord Vishnu used guided missiles known as ‘Vishnu Chakra’ and chased moving targets,” added the professor of inorganic chemistry.

Event organisers tried to hose down the remarks, saying it was “unfortunate” the prestigious event had been derailed by controversy.

“We don’t subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate,” said Premendu P Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association.

“There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people.”

Another speaker, a scientist from a university in southern Tamil Nadu state, also raised eyebrows by questioning the breakthroughs of Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.

India is no stranger to prominent figures citing ancient Hindu texts like the Puranas and Vedas as ironclad evidence of the country’s technological prowess.

India’s minister for higher education Satyapal Singh last year said Darwin’s theory of evolution was wrong, and vowed to change the national school curriculum to reflect that.
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The minister hails from the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which rules 17 of India’s 29 states and territories outright or through alliances.

BJP leader and prime minister Narendra Modi in 2015 pointed to Hindu scriptures as proof that plastic surgery existed in ancient India.

Science minister Harsh Vardhan last year said ancient Greeks took credit from India for early mathematical principles and misquoted Stephen Hawking as praising the Vedas for discoveries greater than Einstein’s theory of relativity.

The Breakthrough Science Society, an Indian-based educational charity, said it was “astounded and even horrified” at the remarks made at an academic summit.

“Puranic verses and epics are poetic, enjoyable, contain moral elements and [are] rich in imagination but [are] not scientifically constructed or validated theories,” the group said in a statement Sunday.

“Such a hallowed assembly of scientists has been misused to make false and chauvinistic claims about ancient India.”