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John MacArthur #fundie youtube.com

We received a very interesting letter in question yesterday, this is it. "My adult child just came out," in other words declared to be a homosexual, "what would I do?"

You know the answer depends; if that adult child professes Christ, claims to be a Christian, then that becomes an issue for confrontation of the sternest and strongest kind. Because that fall into Matthew 18, that's a sin for which you go to that person, if that person doesn't repent and turn you take two or three witnesses and confront again. If there's still no repentance, you tell the church, and the church pursues, and if there's still no repentance there's a public putting out of the church, of that person who professes to be a Christian. That's how you deal with it.

On the other hand, if this adult child doesn't profess to be a Christian, then he or she's just acting like an un-Christian. That's a whole different issue. In the first case, if they profess to be a Christian you have to alienate them, you have to separate them. You can't condone that. It's inconsistent with the profession of Christ. So you isolate them, you don't have a meal with them, you separate yourself from them, you turn them over to Satan as it were, scripture says. But if that's a non-believer, you have to treat them like a non-believer, and non-believers do what non-believers do. Then, the issue is to bring the Gospel compassionately, directly, confrontationally to expose that sin and all other sins and call that person to salvation and repentance. And in that case, you might want to spend more time confronting and showing compassion and calling for salvation.

Sara #fundie blog.myspace.com

There is nothing more stupid [in my eyes] than not being a believer. Not believing only brings you suffering, pain, confusion, and more. So.... why not be a believer?

There can't not be a God. If there wasn't, then how would there be a prayer language? How would we even exist?

The number one thing I'm faced with through non-believers is proof. The thing is, there is proof, if your eyes and ears are open, which unfortunately, most non-believers eyes and ears aren't.

The most revealing form of proof is one we're all familiar with. Prayer. Certain non-believers think all that prayer is just a bad enough wanting of something [in other words, determination] that it just comes. But as we all know, it's not like that. God knows what's best for you, and doesn't always give you what you pray for, or say "Yes" to your prayers. For example, if you're praying about some guy to like you, God may answer you by showing you that the guy doesn't like you back, or that he doesn't want to date anyone, or anything like that.

But when you pray for someone to receive salvation, and they end up seeking salvation like a month later, that's God acting. Unfortunately, non-believers are usually so blinded that they don't notice this.

Another form of proof is the prayer language, otherwise known as Tongues. The night I got annointed with Tongues [April 14th], all my doubt was destroyed. It's not always like that, but it certainly was to me. True faith comes through spending time with God and reading the Bible. But once again, non-believers don't know that.

They also don't know that the answer to all of their questions are in the Bible. I was talking to a friend of mine on the phone one day, and looking in my Bible to answer some of his questions, and I didn't have a clue how easy it was to answer the questions he had that I thought would be difficult to answer.

And another thing. Why would there be a Bible if there was no God? The Bible isn't just a book of guidelines. It's the key to living a good life, and to bringing others happiness. The Bible reveals things to Christians and believers that they need to know to become a better Christian. It also reveals how to bring non-believers to Jesus and how to bring yourself peace, and much more.

The Bible isn't a lie. These people wouldn't have written it if they didn't want other Christians to believe it. It wasn't just written by one person; it was written by several. The Bible is like a testimony. It's like advice, coming from real people at real times in the world. It can also be considered as a warning to non-believers--of what will happen if they don't come to Jesus on time. The Bible is another form of proof, right in front of your eyes.

There is another one that I want to mention. It's Jesus Christ. Christ isn't actually His last name. The name "Christ" means "The Annointed One". I'm very sure that not very many people are aware of that... at least not as many that should be. Non-believers will ask, "What is Jesus annointed to do?", and every Christian should be able to answer that. Jesus is annointed to save the souls of everyone on this earth!

To all non-believers or non-Christians: there is proof. You just have to open your eyes.

beonimagin #fundie disqus.com

I Realize atheists has no Belief in God of who they call a skydaddy. Well that is their Choice and no way will I deny them of their Choice. But the Choice of those who do Believe in God should be upheld as the FREEDOM OF BELIEF and should not be mocked because someone can Think Important. The best way I can see to end this idiotic of what those who push on to others with what they Think Important is for the TRUTH to happen. In the Bible in Revelation 12:9 it tells of the devil being thrown out of Heaven down to Earth. Of course you don't have to Believe that but it is a sure way of finding out the TRUTH. Is the devil on Earth or not? If the devil is on Earth then is the Bible TRUE of not? If the Bible is True then there must be God. If the Bible is not True then there would not even be a devil because the Bible is what tells of a devil and without the Bible there would be no Idea a devil exist. The Bible also tells of Evil and of Good so that can be broken down as well. But if a devil does exist then it should be Realized that is the reason for having evil in this world. So the thing is it needs to prove that the devil does exist on Earth since he is not considered a skydaddy by non-believers. Of what is very simple to do. Anton LeVey of who wrote the demonic bible of what can be purchase in a bookstore in the occult section started the church of Satan in the 1960's. All one has to do is go to a church of Satan and ask that you would like a visit or to meet with one who is known in the church of Satan as Master Yon. Once you meet with who is known as Master Yon in the church of Satan you will find out the TRUTH if there really is a devil. Now if that is too hard for a non-believer to do an easier way is go to a bookstore and buy that demonic bible and read it and after reading it take that pledge in it giving yourself to Satan. A non-believer should not worry about that because of what they ThinK They Know. Now if nothing happens in giving one self to Satan then you will Know that there cannot be a Satan. Now of course if something does happen one needs to look at the positive outlook of it as it was their Choice. Myself I don't ever Believe to deny anyone of their Choice and hope they will Enjoy it as the best they can ever have. Now all Non-believers since they Think They Know something should want to find out the TRUTH before demanding with all different kinds of CONTROLLING what is Important for them. So now this bickering about God and No God can easily be solved and all a non-believer has to do is want to meet Satan that is on Earth. Believers in God will not want that since Satan is Evil and the father of Lies, so it really is the Nonbelievers that has to bring it to the factor of KNOWING one way or the other. And of course the Non-believers should do it Proudly as a great accomplishment. Of course if we never hear from you again, well that sure would prove that there is a devil. Oh yes I sure do hope that those Non-believers will be so much Happy being the guest of that ritual that will be perform over them. Gee I hate Cowards who claim they Know something but are Too Afraid to Prove It.

Jan87676 #fundie christianforums.com

Sorry for not using Star Wars accurately in my analogy.

Anyway, I feel that some non-believers think this is how their after-life will be:
After one dies, they will go up to this mystical place with clouds and smoke. Then, in the back-round Celine Dion is singing one of her songs from the movie titanic. Then, the non-believer sees pictures of his/her family in the sky. All of a sudden, the non-elievr sees his/her love from earth appear. Then, the couple moves closer to each-other, in a slow manner, Celine Dion is still singing at this moment. They hold hands, each of them are clothed in mystical white clothes. Celine Dion stops singing, and the love of the non-believer vanished away. Then the song "Take my breathe away" comes up, and the non-believers spends eternity searching for their love while he/she is moving 1-2 mph.

supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Evolutionary science, as we all know, is a fairytale constructed by non-believers, for non-believers. It's a gift of sorts. A demented gift, but a gift. It's the gift of a belief system dreamed up so they can all live happily ever after, safe and secure in their own little world of fantasy -- with no fear of judgment, no fear of right and wrong, no fear of disobedience, no fear of immorality, no fear of eternal damnation. It's the gift of earthly disobedience flanked by the promise of eternal nothingness and non-accountability.

Every piece of evidence, every detail, every artifact must pass through the gate of natural selection, otherwise known as peer review. If a piece of evidence does not fit through the pickets of the gate, it gets discarded, hidden, or recategorized so the general population remains unaware of it.

nmrabbit #fundie cnsnews.com

The US Census says there are only .7% of the US population that are non-believers. I take issue with that claim. 12% of the population are far-left liberal progressive idiots. So that makes it 12.7% non-believers, because anybody who visciously attacks somebody orally or phylically is a non-believer. Most were born during the 50,60,70 and 80's. Very little parent guidance and very little religous training. Only time they were in church was for a wedding or funeral. Some for free food. Having never read either the Koran or the Bible, I don't understand how they can have a view on the subject. That's like telling everybody how to do or how good *** is, when you have never had any. These people need to be pitied. They are the mob. Not the gang type either. They always follow a leader. They don't care or want to know who or what the leader stands for; they just got to follow a leader. Because, following a leader allows them to excuse themselves from knowledge.

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie disqus.com

Random Boy:

Relative to Jesus being a pacifist, it is as true as Him having long hair or not hating anybody. NOT!

As always we must look to the Bible (KJV 1611 ONLY) relative to absolutely any belief we may hold. The Bible tells us that Jesus approved of His Father's command that children who cursed their parents should be stoned to death (Matthew 15:3-4). Does this sound like pacifism, forgiveness, and love to you? It is BLATANT INTOLERANCE for anyone that does not follow the Word! Jesus told his disciples to bring before Him any non-believer and to slaughter that non-believer to death right before Jesus' eyes (Luke 19:27). Yes this is a parable, but it refers to His second coming. But the main facts are that JESUS spoke this parable, therefore the KILLING reference is attributed to Him! Does one KILL because they love someone or because they HATE them? Heathens are such ignorant dolts!

More so, Jesus had one man eaten alive by a swarm of worms because the man failed to give Jesus His due (Acts 12:23). Jesus struck a Jew blind for thwarting His teachings. He struck a man dumb for not paying close enough attention (Luke 1:20). He SCARED a husband and wife to DEATH for not giving Him all the money they made on a real estate transaction!!!! (Acts 5:1-10). Does this sound like love and forgiveness to you? Jesus had to hate these people to be able to do these abhorred acts. This is the Jesus that we know, love, and worship.

Jesus told us we are to live in constant fear of God for He can torture us forever in Hell (Luke 12:5). This is why we must take a rather abusive manner regarding the heathen that does not follow ALL of the doctrines and precepts within the Bible. We don't have time to sugar-coat Gods word, H-E-L-L-O!

If one opts for Christianity, it is beyond me to think that anyone is able to extrapolate from the Bible that of which they accept, the lovey dovey Jesus loves me parts, and not be held responsible for the obligation of the whole where our Savior is KILLING AND TORTURING His creation! I for one cannot usurp what God has written regarding how His Son reacted in certain instances, therefore setting an example, can you?

In the name of our Savior,
Brother T

Dr. Jerry O. Lee D.D. #fundie #ufo #magick peacemanifestministries.com

Across space and time, beyond minds of aurora (O RO' RA) comes the ARCHANGEL FLASH! THUS IS IT WRITTEN: And the living wheel Ophan and Cherubim guardian creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a FLASH OF LIGHTNING – (EZEKIEL 1:14-15). Out of the throne comes the "FLASH". Paul's life is reversed from a non-believer to a deep believer when a GREAT LIGHT flashed ("shone" Strong's H965 shineth = flash). The Bible describes the coming of JESUS in a FLASH! JESUS speaks of becoming the FLASH, (LUKE 17:24 Includes the use of Greek roots).
The for-got-ten-ness moves in winds ever blowing and grinding away the known positions of the “was”, the “is”, and the “to be”. Repetition is seemingly ever on going. The worm comes to the top of his worn hole to smell the fresh air, but the beak of a swift bird swallows his whole life away. Inklings of memories come and go but in “the land of forgetfulness” the common disease of forgetting steals all the crown thoughts.
Across space and time, beyond minds of aurora (O RO' RA) comes the ARCHANGEL FLASH! THUS IS IT WRITTEN: And the living wheel Ophan and Cherubim guardian creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a FLASH OF LIGHTNING – (EZEKIEL 1:14-15). Out of the throne comes the "FLASH". Paul's life is reversed from a non-believer to a deep believer when a GREAT LIGHT flashed ("shone" Strong's H965 shineth = flash). The Bible describes the coming of JESUS in a FLASH! JESUS speaks of becoming the FLASH, (LUKE 17:24 Includes the use of Greek roots).
The for-got-ten-ness moves in winds ever blowing and grinding away the known positions of the “was”, the “is”, and the “to be”. Repetition is seemingly ever on going. The worm comes to the top of his worn hole to smell the fresh air, but the beak of a swift bird swallows his whole life away. Inklings of memories come and go but in “the land of forgetfulness” the common disease of forgetting steals all the crown thoughts.
To deliver the world out of it mental permutation, to awaken the – a part knowing type who think they have the full picture. A GREAT FLASH OF ARCHANGEL LIGHT IS NEEDED. JESUS SAID THAT HE AND HIS DISCIPLES WERE NOT OF THIS WORLD. FLASH THAT INTO YOU MIND AND ALLOW IT TO LIGHT UP YOUR WHOLE BODY.
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DR. JERRY O. LEE, D.D., THE MANIFESTER YADA > (=MANIFESTATIONS OF KNOWLEDGE).

Hope #fundie religionethics.co.uk

It is a perfectly valid argument simply because - as I've just pointed out in my previous post - the two side of the debate are starting from hugely differenct understandings of reality. Is naturalistic science and its thinking, the sole arbiter of reality - or is reality broader, more multi-faceted than 'mere' naturalism? Without an answer to that conundrum, no-one will be able to claim an argumentative 'victory'.


Sorry, jeremy, when atheists and non-believers make categorical statements and assertions, as many here do, believers here are just as entitled to request evidence to support those statements as non-believers are of believers. Furthermore, whilst documentary evidence of what Christians believe remain on the table of public accessibility, that evidence has to be shown to be wrong. Arguing the case that it could be wrong, or might be wrong, yet without providing evidence of that case, doesn't hold water.

Mack Major #fundie edendecoded.com

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In the above picture, is a real-life victim of demonic possession.

Her name is Latoya Ammons. And her story went international in 2013. When she, her children and her mother were tormented by over 200 demons in their house.

Latoya repeatedly stated seeing a 'shadow figure' in her bedroom at night.

Masturbation and sex out of wedlock are ways of summoning demons.

I know this may sound foreign to many of you, and something you may never have thought about. But when you masturbate, fornicate and commit adultery, you are literally calling on a demonic spirit to come and dwell with you.

This needs to be taught and stressed more - particularly among Christian people.

Any type of sex you have outside marriage will open an opportunity for demons to come to you.

This is because sex is spiritual more than it is physical. Always has been - always will be.

Why do you think witches and devil worshipers use sex as a vital part of their rituals in summoning demons? Nothing is more valued in the world of demon-worship and the occult as a pure virgin. That means someone who has not had sex yet.

Even witches and devil-worshipers understand the value of sexual purity. This is why to defile a virgin sexually for Satan is such a prized thing. They use the spiritual power that is associated with sexual purity to empower the demons they serve.

What I'm telling you is that sexual purity is greatly valued in the spirit realm. Why do you think the Holy Spirit spent so much time inspiring the writers of the Bible to repeat the theme of sexual purity and sexual sins?

The Holy Spirit knows that demons are real. He also knows that fornication, watching porn, homosexuality, adultery and masturbation are different ways to cause demons to become attached to you. And this applies to Christians too.

Someone once asked me if you can have a demon and be a born-again Christian too. And I told them a Christian can have whatever they want to.

A Christian can be a drug addict, an alcoholic, a diabetic, they can have cancer, seek out a psychic or fortune teller, consult with a medium etc. Christians can cheat on their spouses, have affairs and fornicate.

For example: the word of God tells us clearly that he that has sex with a prostitute becomes one with her. [1 Corinthians 6:15-16]

That means that whatever was in one now becomes shared between the both of them. So if said prostitute is filled with demons, said Christian now will be too.

Why not? If she can pass him a sexually transmitted disease, why not also a sexually transmitted DEVIL? Many of you have been exposed to demons through the act of having sex.

Because sex is worship!

We need to stop tipping around these topics in Christianity and deal with them straight up.

I have a question for you: who was the book of 1st Corinthians written to? Was it written to Christians or non-believers?

"To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with ALL WHO IN EVERY PLACE call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ." [1 Corinthians 1:2-3]

I guess that settles that. 1st Corinthians and every other book in the Bible was written for the BELIEVER - not the non-believer.

So if it clearly states that the believer who is joined to a harlot will become one with her, why do we think a Christian cannot host a demon???

Bottom line: if you are struggling with sexual sin as a believer, there is hope for you today. What you need is deliverance - and you need to walk in holiness.

Holiness is your best protective mechanism to keep sexually active demons at bay.

Holiness makes you pure and clean in God's sight: thus making you a candidate to be filled and empowered with the Spirit and presence of God.

Be proactive about your deliverance today.

angelslight79 #fundie glitter-graphics.com

The air we breathe cannot be seen, heard, tasted, smelled, or touched, yet it most certainly exists. The force of gravity cannot be seen, heard, tasted, smelled, or touched, yet we know that it exists. Emotions, values, beliefs, and thoughts cannot be found by using any of our senses, yet they are as real as rocks or trees. Emotions can be "felt", but this feeling is not physical. Thus, simply because something cannot be found through the use of the five senses does not mean that it does not exist.

Some atheists say that no God has been found through the use of the senses, therefore no God exists. But simply because God cannot be found by way of the senses does not mean that He does not exist. Christians believe in a supernatural or non-material God. They believe that God has manifested Himself in material form and in material ways on certain occasions (such as the Incarnation, and when He spoke audibly to Moses at Mount Sinai). However, God is spirit (John 4:24), and in His "normal" state He cannot be found by the use of the senses. Therefore, any attempt to reach God by way of the senses would be virtually pointless.

Jan87676 #fundie christianforums.com

[On the afterlife for non-believers]

Have you seen the movie star wars episode 5? Remember after Luke blew up the death star, and returns to the Rebel's temporary planet(name?). Anyway, remember at the end where he walks up to Princess Lela? Do you remember the music, the soldiers, and the FEELING. Do you(non-believer) believe that after you die, that you will walk up to a princess and receive an award? Do you think that the "walking carpet" and R2-D2 will be there? While you walk to get your reward, will you nod your head to the other non-belevers,while the Star Wars music is playing?

OneDayNearer #fundie rr-bb.com


I believe that only the babies of believers will be raptured based on the examples of the families of Noah and Lot being removed before judgment came, while the children of the nonbelievers perished.

I do not believe babies born to non-believers will be raptured. I agree rapture-me that the Bible is loaded with the precedence that the children of non-believers suffer right along with their parents.

Ron Graham and Nathele Graham #fundie raptureforums.com

In order to oppose God, a person must admit God exists. There is a big difference between knowing God exists (head knowledge) and faithfully trusting Him with your eternity (heart knowledge). Non-Christians know God exists, but they believe His laws to be a burdensome stone with too many restrictions. They don't like His "rules" and believe He ruins all their fun. God set laws in place to protect humanity from disease like AIDS, yet God is mocked, His laws broken, and the heathen rage on and on. [...] Heathens are people who oppose God Almighty and they rage against Him and against those who love and follow Him. These heathens are like children who throw a fit if they don't get their way, even if getting their way means aligning themselves with Satan. [...] They believe that if they can just pass legislation to get rid of God they can do what they want with no consequences. How wrong they are. Without God and His love holding all things together, the heathen and ungodly nations would cease to be. America, which was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, has been turning against God for a number of years and is soon to face God's judgment. Prayer was taken out of schools and then abortion, the act of offering children to demonic gods who demand human sacrifice, was legalized. The homosexual agenda is the final nail in America's coffin.

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It is simply astonishing to me that so many people have thoroughly hardened their hearts against God. Not only do they refuse to see the truth but they take great pleasure in denying it. It is comparable to a parent trying to teach a rebellious child not to touch a hot stove and that child defiantly placing his hands on the strove. Even though the pain is great it is more important to prove the parent wrong. The heathen continually try to prove God wrong, but they are the ones who suffer. [...] Satan, the liar who fell from grace long ago, is currently doing everything he can to convince people that God does not exist and that there is no right or wrong.

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There is a movement afoot to eliminate Christianity from the whole world. The heathens will soon get their wish, but it won't be through their vile raging. One day very soon Jesus will call those of us who follow Him Home. [...] Once we are gone, the heathen will have their way and they will get the leader they have been clamoring for. They don't have any idea what horrors that will bring. [...] Then things on earth will get worse. When the man of sin steps into the role of world leader, he will seem like a peace maker. It won't be along until those non-believers who are left on earth after the Rapture will understand that God Almighty, who they raged against and rejected, loved them. God's love was available to them, but they will have chosen to reject Him to follow Satan.

Jennifer_Saved #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Non-believers fell for a trick?

One of Satan's tricks is he can convince non-believers that he doesnt exist.

People who say they don't believe in Satan are usually Atheist and blasphemers SO:

Isnt this proof that Satan has made a perfect trick on them?


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"How do you explain tow of the richest men on the planet, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, are atheists."

The love of money is the root of all evil =)

{It's important to note that her avatar seems to have an incredibly fake smile}

John Oakes #fundie evidenceforchristianity.org

There is a third reason many do not accept faith in Jesus. This group may very well be the largest group, but I have not studied the question carefully. This is the group who are well aware, or at least sufficiently well aware of who Jesus is and the evidence for the Bible and for the deity of Christ, but who are unwilling to accept the implications. If Jesus is Lord and master, then I am his servant. If what Jesus said is true, then I am in trouble over my sin and need to repent of that sin. For a great number of people, the requirement of Jesus that we repent of our sins and turn our life over to him is sufficient reason to not be a Christian. What a great number of people do about this fact is that they choose not to believe. To believe is to necessitate change. We rationalize our unbelief. The way Paul puts it in Romans 1:18,19 many, because of their unrighteousness, “suppress the truth, since what can be known about God is evident…” The way Jesus put it, “This, then, is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil.” The people in Jesus’ day had plenty of reason to believe in Jesus. The resurrection of Lazarus spoke for itself. Yet, many refuse to come into the light. What these people end up doing is they find a way to rationalize away belief in Jesus. They manufacture logical arguments, twist or ignore data to justify not believing in Jesus. I have read a great number of books by skeptics and critics of Christianity. Most of their arguments are so obviously false as to be silly, yet these writers are convinced of their arguments. It is my experience that what people believe has more to do with emotion than evidence. When belief in something challenges our security, our pride, our desire to seek pleasure, we are more than willing to conveniently ignore the evidence and to construct a belief in something that is not true. I believe that if you think about it, you will be able to think of many personal situations of people you know who blatantly ignore obvious truth because they cannot handle the implications.

So, there are a variety of reasons people do not believe. One thing for sure, it is not for lack of evidence or due to lack of time for the evidence to have gotten around. Our job as believers is to try to help all three groups of non-believers to come into the light through our personal example and careful instruction.

The reason you do not see the evidence for Christ on TV or in the media in general is that Satan and non-believers in general have control of the media. The reason information about DNA has spread whereas the gospel has not is that people, in general, do not have an emotional reason to reject belief in DNA.

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But I think everyone needs to read this homocidal lunatic's manifesto in order to truly understand and argue against this kind of murderous ideology and its adherents

Anders Behring Breivik #conspiracy info.publicintelligence.net

(These quotes are all taken from Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto, 2083: A Declaration Of European Independence)

As we all know, the root of Europe's problems is the lack of cultural self-confidence (nationalism). Most people are still terrified of nationalistic political doctrines thinking that if we ever embrace these principles again, new “Hitler’s” will suddenly pop up and initiate global Armageddon... Needless to say; the growing numbers of nationalists in W. Europe are systematically being ridiculed, silenced and persecuted by the current cultural Marxist/multiculturalist political establishments. This has been a continuous ongoing process which started in 1945. This irrational fear of nationalistic doctrines is preventing us from stopping our own national/cultural suicide as the Islamic colonization is increasing annually. This book presents the only solutions to our current problems.

You cannot defeat Islamisation or halt/reverse the Islamic colonization of Western Europe without first removing the political doctrines manifested through multiculturalism/cultural Marxism…

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Political/Democratic/Apologistic Jihad (Rhetorical/psychological warfare)

Thousands of active Islamic apologetics on all arenas (ranging from internet forums to the public debate elsewhere). Their primary goal is to discredit, pacify and silence all whom criticise Islam and Demographic Jihad.

Objectives:
1. Terminate European freedom of speech by replacing it with hate-crime bills.
2. Wage a war of words using charismatic individuals who directly or indirectly promote
and defend Islam.
3. Engage the European public in dialogues, discussions, and debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another peaceful religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.
4. Nominate Muslim sympathisers to political office to bring about favourable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathisers by block voting.
5. Take control of as much of the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.

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Christianity has increasingly become perceived as being linked by some, to a bygone culture, having already lost its political direction, cohesion, and influence. The wall that both Martin Luther and Thomas Jefferson spoke of has switched, in modern times it is no longer a means by which the Church defends its rights and position over the state, as in pre-modern times, but rather how the state increases its power over the Church.

Historically there have always been tensions between the powers secular and the powers religious, which in times gone by through the prides of men resulted in out right conflict between the two; however, with the emergence of the modern secular state and its incumbent ‘ideology of reason’. This ‘wall’, has become the means via which the state has secured power away from the church and is challenging the identity of Christians as well. Attacking our beliefs and values and presenting modern liberal alternatives in short all that makes us who we are as Christians by presenting alternatives with the assumption that these alternatives are better and the polemical engagement of the ‘enlightenment’ elite. The Liberal Moderns command the heights of the wall. This process is called differentiation: where the state, driven by the ‘ideology of reason’, ‘the religion of humanity’, or more simply - Liberal Modernity, seized what were once church roles. This forced conversion of society has pushed the Christian faith back into a metaphysical box, where some argued it would die an irrelevant death. Such as speculated by Marx and others, and assumed by Nietzche!

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Mapping the enemy (definitions):
Traditional Marxists, cultural Marxists, suicidal humanists, career cynicists and capitalist globalists – all support and propagate multiculturalism Proving each individuals real intention is a complicated process as most of today’s cultural Marxists disguise their true agenda by using humanistic principles and rhetoric (at least publicly) as a basis for justifying their actions. However, we know that a good portion of them (more than 30% of our opposition) use this smoke screen of humanist deception to hide their hatred for everything European.

What complicates this process further is the fact that the ongoing European civil war is not a class war but a cultural war. Motives are overlapping and old definitions are outdated. The old fundamental definitions were nationalists vs. communists, or socialists vs. capitalists. Many of today’s multiculturalists are capitalists and some of today’s cultural conservatives support a very solidaric economical system. More or less every humanist/social democrat etc. is a multiculturalist as they support liberal political mechanics such as family reunification and asylum arrangements which again facilitates Islamic demographical warfare. Some of these individuals are true humanists and just extremely naive, yet others are just hiding behind humanist rhetoric and really want to destroy European culture, traditions, identity, Christendom and national sovereignty.

An estimate showing the opponents of cultural conservative doctrines (antinationalists):

- Hardcore Marxists: 10% (hateful intentions)
- Cultural Marxists: 20% (semi hateful intentions)
- Suicidal Humanists/career cynicists: 65% (suicidally naive/egotistical)
- Capitalist globalists: 5% (greed) 100% of the above support and propagate multiculturalism

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To qualify to act as a ”Justiciar Knight” the individual has to pledge the Knights Templar oath by completing the “Initiation Rite” (see: The PCCTS, Knights Templar Oath – Initiation Rite) and swear to follow the principles of the PCCTS, to protect the interests of all free, indigenous Europeans, European cultures and Christendom in general through armed struggle. Choosing the path of the Justiciar Knight is to walk the path in pursuit of becoming “The Perfect Knight”. Any candidate prepared to walk this road must be willing to forfeit his materialistic ambitions and embrace voluntary poverty and martyrdom. The Order and Tribunal has concluded that any and all Europeans have not just a right, but a duty to resist through political and military means; cultural Marxist/multiculturalist atrocities and crimes committed against the indigenous peoples of Europe. As such, any European Christian conservative can act as a Justiciar Knight. This includes Christian agnostics and Christian atheists. Although the PCCTS, Knights Templar is a pan European indigenous rights movement we give all Europeans, regardless of skin colour, the opportunity to become a Justiciar Knight as long as the individual is either a Christian, Christian agnostic or a Christian atheist. The European Military & Criminal Tribunal, PCCTS, request that any and all Justiciar Knights of Europe; identify and effectuate punishment for category A and B traitors - cultural Marxist/multiculturalist individuals for the violations specified and included in this document; charges 1 – 8.

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In order to wake up the masses, the only rational approach will be to make sure the current system implodes. This will cause a lot of short term pain; cut in welfare payouts, increased unemployment even starvation in extreme cases. The bulk of our people will refuse to join resistance movements because they feel they have too much to lose. They have invested several years and a lot of resources in long educations and most people have mortgages/loans which they have no choice but to attend to. Many receive exceptional government incentives to stay “loyal” to the system. All of these responsibilities and incentives cause a symbiosis between the victims (people) and the exterminator (regime) to a degree where we have a collective mass-scale “Stockholm syndrome” (sympathies and loyalty to captor). Our objective is to break these bonds and this can only be achieved through contributing to creating a scenario where the antiEuropean hate ideology we wish to destroy perishes/implodes or dies from a thousand cuts. For every successful operation a new cut is applied and will contribute to this ideology’s demise. Wiping out Marxism in Europe will take us 30-70 years but we will succeed eventually. Every effort counts, have no doubt about that.

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Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike. Explain what you have done (in an announcement distributed prior to operation) and make certain that everyone understands that we, the free peoples of Europe, are going to strike again and again. Do not apologise, make excuses or express regret for you are acting in self-defence or in a preemptive manner. In many ways, morality has lost its meaning in our struggle. The question of good and evil is reduced to one simple choice. For every free patriotic European, only one choice remains: Survive or perish. Some innocent will die in our operations as they are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. Get used to the idea. The needs of the many will always surpass the needs of the few.

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The PCCTS, Knights Templar Oath – Initiation Rite [The candidate kneels in front of the altar, while reading the oath out loudly] I, ________, of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God, the spirits of my ancestors and past martyrs, do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, from now and forever, that I will hail, respect and obey the principles of the PCCTS, Knights Templar. I furthermore promise and swear that I will stand to and abide by all laws, rules and regulations of the Military Order and Criminal Tribunal - PCCTS, Knights Templar. Further, that I will always aid and assist fellow Justiciar Knights, their widows and orphans, knowing them to be such, as far as their necessities may require, and my ability permit, without material injury to myself and family. Further, that I will keep a brother Justiciar Knight secrets inviolable, when communicated to and received by me as such. I declare to take freely and solemnly this oath of obedience, this pledge of voluntary poverty and commitment. With this oath I state my strong and irrevocable intent: To pledge my sword, my forces, my life and everything that I own to the cause, defence, honour of my country and of Europe, my people, the Christian religion, of the PCCTS, Knights Templar and of my companions in arms; to the rescue of my country and of Europe as a whole from the tyranny of Marxist and Islamic oppression. To love my brothers the Knights and my Sisters the Ladies and help them, their children and their widows with my sword, my advice, means and wealth, my credit and everything in my power, and will favour them, with no exception, over those who are not members of the order. To fight the infidels and the non-believers with my example, virtue, charity and convincing arguments; and to fight with the sword the infidels and non-believers who attack the Cross with their own sword.

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Creating patriotic youth movements in phase 1 How can we expect to safeguard our societies against cultural Marxism and Islam in the future (say in 2,3,4,5 decades from now) when Western Europe does not even have any well organised patriotic youth groups? Patriotic youth groups (also referred to as street activists) are the back bone of the resistance and the creation of such political entities should be a primary goal. An intellectual club (consisting of older professionals) who rejects the notion of offering political and intellectual guidance to the youths of the society will have limited impact. A large majority of the current European conservative intellectuals are cowards and unwilling to take responsibility. If they had taken responsibility they would have started to develop a Conservative Revolutionary Movement and/or several patriotic youth movements. If the “anti-Islamisation/anti-totalitarian organisations” refuse to start their own youth groups and start recruitment of patriotic youth then the so called totalitarian-minded, racist or criminal organisations such as Hells Angels will (as we are witnessing today). And when the time comes there will be one impotent “politically correct” intellectual club “without anyone who can physically protect it and its doctrines from “Marxist/Muslim lynch mobs” as most of the youths have been recruited by the other “competing” patriotic alternatives.

goodfella #fundie answers.yahoo.com

"the bible is true. the bible is the word of God, it is so typical of you damned athiests trying to ruin God. but let me tell you something you athiests and non-believers cant ruin God. God created you and he can destroy you. I've had it with you athiest and non-believers. Dont mess with God."

Willie Robertson #fundie rawstory.com

‘Duck Dynasty’ star urges Christians to convert atheist friends with Nicolas Cage movie

One of the stars of TV’s “Duck Dynasty” urged Christians to take their non-believing friends to see an upcoming Nicolas Cage movie, saying it might convert them.

Willie Robertson recorded a short promotional video that was posted Friday morning to the Facebook page set up for “Left Behind,” an upcoming feature film based on the popular religion-themed book series that depicts the end times.

“Like most Christians, my family and I can truly say that we’re excited about the soon return of Jesus, and I’m sure, if you’ve been watching the news lately, you know that that return could be any day from now,” Robertson said.

He said the film, which he described as “an action-packed thriller that will take viewers on a wild ride to the day of the Rapture,” would encourage atheists and non-Christians to convert.

“It’s a warning to those, if it happened today, would be left behind, and I believe people are going to make that life-changing decision to follow Christ on the way home from the theater on Oct. 3,” Robertson said. “Let’s all make sure we bring some friends and family to see this movie – people who need to see to believe.”

He then directed viewers to the film’s website, where he said they could find information on buying group tickets or purchasing merchandise such as “cool clothes.”

The movie is a remake of the 2002 version starring former “Growing Pains” sitcom star Kirk Cameron.

Some conservative Christians complained about the casting of Cage, suspicious that he might be a non-believer – although “there is speculation that he is a Roman Catholic.”

Ron Graham #fundie raptureready.com

Why would a loving God, a God who is described as pure love, condemn any of his children to Hell? This is very a common question especially among those who don’t believe the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or who have little to no Bible knowledge. Believe it or not even Christians ask this question, and few are able to give a sound, Biblical answer.

A common statement from non-believers is “My god would never send anyone to Hell, he’s a loving god. Only an evil god would create people and then send them to Hell.” Good point, but since these folks are non-believers their god is Satan. And his main modus operandi is to convince man that he is god and that he would never send anyone to Hell. Well he certainly isn’t God, but he is very efficient and persuasive when it comes to promoting his lies. After all he’s been at it for 6,000 years give or take a year or so.

rebelle_doe@xanga #fundie revelife.com

Advice Needed: How Do I Coexist with Atheists?

I have been a Christian almost all my life and just recently I've been worshiping more than ever. I consult God with just about everything when I remember to. The thing is, I've taken more notice to the atheists and other non-believers around me. Most of which enjoy making rude comments and ask me questions about the Bible that I find difficult to answer.

Being a Christian, I know one is supposed to pray for those non-believers, and I am truly trying, but they make it difficult for me to even care about their well-being.

Does anyone have suggestions for coexisting with atheists?

Abu Qudamah #fundie ummah.com

Thinking about the world maybe? Who created this world? Trying to identify the test. We've all testified that there is no God but Allah before we were born and perhaps some haven't been exposed to the truth.

The non-believers; Some trying to seek the truth, some living their life and others confused. Allah guides whom he wills. Allah has given us humans the free will to do what we want. Is it Allah's fault or is it their fault?

To the non-believers who are ill, what has caused them to be ill? Allah has. Allah gives them many opportunities to know who he is yet they're blind to it. Even through their sickness, Allah is giving them the opportunity to know why it's happening to them. Allah can guide and misguide whom he wills. Every single second of our life shows us the signs of Allah.

By observing and asking yourself did I create this or was it Allah who created this? To those who are in poverty, did Allah not give them eyes, legs, a brain etc? Did Allah not give them the process of thinking to discover who Allah is? Some on a math test, don't do good, some do not know and others know everything about it. Who's fault is it? Is it the teacher's fault or is it the student's fault?

jamisings #fundie puns.icanhascheezburger.com

It’s also not funny.

Did you know that non-believers are more likely to cheat on their mates, more likely to commit violent crimes, more likely to abuse their children. They are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, more likely to commit suicide. LESS likely to recycle. Less likely to volunteer. Less likely to give to charity. Because they don’t pray or meditate they suffer from stress more and therefore recover from illnesses at a slower rate then people who believe in either one or many gods and goddesses.

They are also responsible for the majority of deaths in this world. Nazis and Communists have killed way more people then any supposed “religious driven” war. (And BTW – 93% of wars have nothing to do with religion.) And both regimes were run by non-believers.

So remember, faith, belief, no matter what religion you follow, is a GOOD thing.

Ray Comfort #fundie theblaze.com

Comfort told TheBlaze on Friday that his official Twitter account, which has more than 31,000 followers, ”was seized upon by an atheist.”

The non-believer was able to secure Comfort’s Twitter handle (@RayComfort) after one of his staff members accidentally changed his username. Just moments after the error occurred, someone else registered the @RayComfort, making it impossible for Comfort’s team to get it back.

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“The atheist who took my Twitter name, then gave me an ultimatum. He said that he would return it if I made a public statement,” Comfort told TheBlaze. “He tweeted that I must say that I would ‘no longer denigrate, blame and demonize skeptics and nonbelievers, including agnostics and atheists.’”

Comfort said that he told the unnamed individual that he loves non-believers and has never demonized them and that he will be passing on the offer. The evangelist also said he doesn’t know who the person is, but that it could be any number of activists.

[....]

“After the release of ‘Evolution vs God’ it energized the hatred that many atheists have for me. In four months there have been over 104,000 comments on YouTube and thousands of the comments are livid,” he told TheBlaze. “This is because Darwinian evolution is a hill upon which atheists and evolution believers are prepared to die. It says that we are primates, that there are no moral absolutes, and there’s no God to whom we must answer.” [Emphasis added]

.Ann & Just Mat #fundie nowtheendbegins.com

.Ann:
I don't know if the attacks on Christianity and Christians have increased, or gotten uglier, I know the early Christians were persecuted horribly

Just Mat:
They have got both uglier an increased in number. But I'm beginning to see that satan doesn't need to have massive persecution in the US to attack Christians. See, he may have learned that if you violently attack them the Christians grow stronger and multiply in number. So, as I see it, he has been effectively using his alternative weapon of corrupting Christianity and polluting the minds, hearts and souls of the non-believers. And the way he has been doing it is totally corrupting the pulpits, offering a cotton candy quasi-religious "Christianity" (complete with totally PC, politicized preaching, MTV concert programs passed as worship, social hours supposedly to foster closer relationships instead of teaching the Bible and social programs in the place of evangelizing), and a total anything goes, accepting and even celebrating, of abominable perversions and sexual freedom due to being able to murder the consequences. He has flooded the TV and "Entertainment" industry with satan worship as the better alternative to the dry dead "Christianity" that he has created. And he has held up the lure of power (social, political and personal magical power - note Tom Brady's confession, and he's hardly alone - for all those who will follow and worship). So the non-believers and not a few real Christians look at their powerless, empty lives and desire that power and they succumb to satan. That's why satanism, literal blood sacrifice offerings of children are made to him (complete with drinking their blood and eating them), and witchcraft are on the rise in the US without there being any physical attacks being made on Christians.

Le Chien Rouge #fundie freerepublic.com

It’s only a matter of time before atheists like Jessica Ahlquist demand:

1) the state not allow Christian Churches on public roads throughout this country because it creates the illusion that the state endorses religion.

2)Demand Churches remove their crosses and silence their bells so not to offend non-believers

3) Cities like St Louis and San Diego change their names because the word Saint endorses a religion.

4) The military remove all Christian Chaplains so not appear to endorse religion.

5) Public College/high school sport programs remove the ‘Hail Mary’ pass from their playbook.

6) Prayer in public will not be allowed anywhere because it might offend non-believers.

7) Christians wear a giant C on the left side of their chest so they can be easily identified and thus publicly shunned.

8) One will not be able to shop at a business owned by a Christian, in the name of FAIRNESS,because it gives the appearance of favoring a religious business over a secular one.

9) Biblical Christian(Lucifer and Judas are exempt) names will no longer be accepted on birth certificates so it does not create the appearance of the state endorsing religion.

10) Islam is exempt from All of the above rules in the name of diversity and as an expression of multiculturalism!

Hadeel Abed #fundie facebook.com

[More teddy bear nonsense.]

No talk of release! Why do we show them mercy? How will the non-believer ever learn if we allow for such lenity whenever Islam is defiled? May she pay with her vile head!

[Later on...]

You my friend Kashmiri are the phony! You are the heretic! Why was there a teddy bear in a classroom? Hello? Why was a woman "instructing" males? Is this a school or a Zionist brothel? Wake up!

[PLEASE let this guy be a troll.]

I do not intend to upset you Rama, nor anyone else. The truth of the matter is that this Gillian Gibbons is an instrument of the Zionist entity. Do not temper your faith with that of the non-believer.

archaeologist2 #fundie christianforums.com

non-christian arguments can sound convincing IF youlisten to them. one key is if they bring a different gospel, thatn Jesus and the apostles then yu know you do not have to listen to them.

also, if they contradict the Bible do not listen to them. i do not care which subject it is in but if it disagrees with the Bible, it isn't the Bible that is wrong. most christians do not realize how weak the non-believing arguments are. if you stick with the truth, you will fine, the secular world does not have the truth and it doesn't take much to thwart them.

just ask them for credible physical proof for their arguments and you will usually get the run around or conjecture, or theories and not once can they point to anything real, credible or even authrentic to backup their position.

they do not have any and they will point to people like wm. dever, israel finkelstein, or some other non-believing scholar, who do not have proof for their theories either and who reject large amounts of scripture to make their ideas work.

Brandon Straka #fundie walkawaycampaign.com

The #WalkAway Campaign is a true grassroots movement, founded by former liberal, Brandon Straka, dedicated to providing a place to share #WalkAway testimonials and personal journeys to freedom. It is inspiring, exciting, heart-wrenching, and extraordinary to watch and read the stories of the individuals who no longer accept the current ideology of the Democratic Party, what it has become, and are now bravely sharing their stories with the world.

Some of us left long ago, while many have only recently begun to reject the narratives of the left. Some people have wanted to #WalkAway for some time now, but have feared the consequences they may be forced to endure from friends or family if they were to share their true feelings and #WalkAway.

The #WalkAway Campaign encourages and supports those on the Left to walk away from the divisive tenets endorsed and mandated by the Democratic Party of today. Classical liberalism on the left is a thing of the past. Today’s leftist pseudo-liberalism is more committed to expanding the scope of government, pushing us into collectivism, and groupthink. The Democratic Party has gone astray, and it is time to recognize that there is very little true liberalism practiced there anymore.
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The “liberal” agenda of today has become authoritarian and fascist: forcing people into government-controlled health care; restricting school choice to assigned government-run schools; stifling speech that challenges liberal beliefs and candidates; buying political support from corrupt interest groups; welfare programs that breed dependence upon the state; legal preferences for particular groups rather than equality for all before the law; establishing price floors and ceilings enforceable by law; using government to redistribute wealth just to satisfy their egalitarian instincts, and shaming anyone who dares to deviate from their obligatory way of thinking.
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The Democratic Party of today has adopted a destructive belief system, happily and without skepticism, separating people into groups based on identity and organizing them into camps of victims and oppressors. If you are a person of color, an LGBT person, a woman, or an American immigrant; the Democratic Party wants you to know that you are a victim and destined to stay that way.

They will insist that you are a victim doomed to exist within a system that is rigged against you; that you are a victim of systemic oppression; that you are a victim of your circumstances; and that no amount of hard work or motivational action will ever allow you to overcome your victimhood or the privilege of those around you.

This is perhaps the Democratic Party’s greatest and most insidious lie.

If you are a minority in America today the liberal media and left-wing politicians don’t want you to ever discover this lie. So they bombard us with stories designed to reinforce the narrative that you are in danger, that you can not succeed. They manipulate your fears and concerns by telling you that you are disadvantaged, disempowered, and disposable… to everyone except them.

Minorities in this country, are told by the Left, their entire lives that they are not welcome on the Right. They are told that they are hated because anyone who isn’t a Democrat is racist, bigoted, homophobic, xenophobic, and sexist. It is now the time for us to help minorities recognize that they do not owe their subjugation and allegiance to the Democratic Party. Centrists, Libertarians, Independents, and Conservatives believe there is a seat at the table for everyone. It is time for us to show minorities that they are cared about, appreciated and welcomed by conservatives and Republicans alike.

We invite Americans who have never been Democrats to join the campaign to share their own written and video #WalkWith testimonials supporting those courageous enough to #WalkAway. We need Americans on the Right to stand up and use their voices to tell the world the truth about what it actually means to be a conservative in America. We must come together to declare, loudly and often, who we really are, our real values, and finally expose the lies the Left has tried to place on us for far too long.

The #WalkAway Campaign also serves another fundamental purpose. For far too long, the Left has controlled the narrative in this country within the news and media, while the “silent majority” on the Right have done what they always do – remain silent. The Left has been allowed to reinforce the narrative that everyone on the Right is a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a misogynist, and so on. This dangerous lie cannot be perpetuated any longer.

The Left has become so extreme and relentless that it is now the time for us to fight back!

The #WalkAway Campaign is a movement of Patriots from all walks of life – men, women, black, brown, white, straight, LGBTQ, religious, and non-believers – who share something very important in common.

WE ARE ALL AMERICANS, and we will not surrender our country.

Tres Wright #fundie rr-bb.com

Just a few minutes ago I posted the same comments as this in another thread, that churches today teach about the "teddy bear" God. No one wants to hear about God's wrath and anger. I also posted that my brother who says he's born-again got in an argument with me about this. I mentioned in an email to him that God is angry and is going to pour out His wrath in the Tribulation and he said "Yeah, that's what I want to believe in, an angry God". What we want to believe in is immaterial. Just about everyone (believers and non-believers alike) is familiar with the stories of Moses and Noah. They know that God poured out great wrath on people in those times. Would these modern new age teachers have us believe that God has changed over the years, gotten more soft and cuddly? Woe to them!!image

bibleberean #fundie christianforums.net

Foolish non-believers and atheists believe we are animals.[...]

<p>They are the ones that are inconsistent in their belief system.[...]

<p>They can't accept their creator because they are too busy playing god to seek the true God.

<p>These losers spend their time in a Christian forum trying to seduce us into doubting God. Acccording to the word of God they are too dense to even recognize that they are dupes and mouth pieces for satan who is their father.[...]

<p>Homosexuals are perverts and homosexuality is perversion. The bible which our criterion for truth is as plain as crystal on this topic.

<p>This is a Christian forum and these arrogant dupes need to recognize this fact.[...]
If the non believers don't like it then they should take a hike.

<p>They have nothing to defend because they believe they came from nothing but swamp gas. It is the perfect way for these evil children to believe their own unstable and immoral values. The reason they slink around this forum is because they cannot help but mimic their sepentine father.

<p>Satan is their puppet master.[...]

<p>The bible is right they are an evil bunch and need to repent and turn to the God they spend their pathetic lives trying to convince themselves and others doesn't exist.[...]

<p>This is a Christian forum! We rule they drool!

Gyrine77 #fundie answers.yahoo.com

[Will God hear the prayers of those that already are in heaven?
Unless God erases the memory of those in heaven, will they pray for the release of their loved relatives who are in hell?

Many families include believers and non-believers. It is only natural to assume the believers will never give up praying for their beloved family members who didn't believe and are in hell.]


Gyrine's answer:
You assume incorrectly. Those of us who go to heaven will have no memory of those in hell.


[Feel the taste of Christian Love]

Kent Hovind (1991 “dissertation”) #fundie #dunning-kruger podcast.sjrdesign.net

Two blind men argued well into the night
about the great question, "Is there really sight?"
Said one to the other (and quite fervently)
"There cannot be colors or else we could see!
So take red and green and blue off the list.
If I cannot see them, they must no exist.
A crazy man told me the sky is bright blue.
I listened intently but I caught no clue
of anything out there to alter my mind.
I'm not deaf you know, I here perfectly fine.
Be quiet and I isten, and then you will know
that colors aren't real. How dare they say so?
They tell me that grass is some sort of green.
It looks like the rest of the world that I've seen!
It tastes a lot different than jelly or cheese
(if I smell it too long it sure makes me sneeze).
It feels a lot different that ice cream or snow
but to say that it's green? I'd have to say no.
I will not believe it until I have seen.
There isn't a difference 'twixt red, blue or green!!
And so the men argued with all of their might,
and I couldn't show them that they ~ere not right.
They cannot see colors because they re blind!
But I couldn't get the truth in their mind.
Until they are given the great gift of sight;
never, not ever, will they see the light.

Two atheists argued (on university sod)
about the great question "Is there a God?"
Said one to the other (and quite fervently)
"There can't be a God or else we would see.
So take that old Bible and God off the list.
If I cannot see Him, He must no exist.
Be quite and listen, and then you will know
that God is not real, how dare they say so??
A crazy man told me God lives up in Heaven.
I used to believe that when I was just seven.
But now that I'm older and wiser you see,
I will not believe it. You can't prove it to me.
I cannot sense God with sight taste or smell.
I do not believe in Heaven or Hell!
I've never heard God or felt Him at all.
If He's really up there, I wish He would call."
I said, "Listen fellows, you're spiritually blind.
You've only five entrances into your mind.
That limits your input. I wish you could see.
You can't fathom God or eternity.
There are lots of things that really are real.
It doesn't disprove God because you can't 'feel'."
So you two can argue the rest of the night.
There's no way to show you that you are not right.
When you get to Heaven (or Hell if you please)
you'll understand God as you fall on your knees!
I wish you could see Him or hear Him somehow.
But that isn't possible where you are now.
To deny His existence is really absurd.
You'll have to believe Him and trust in His Word.

jim35 #fundie freerepublic.com

[Thread deals with the Theory of Evolution]


"You guys are really pathetic,..."

I'm willing to bet that you won't be thinking that when you're in Hell, looking up at us "pathetic" creationists.

Life is short, death is eternal for the non-believer, and your arrogance will evaporate in the fires of Hell.

Your belief in THAT is not required.

Nonetheless, you will receive prayers, in the probably-futile hope that some day you will be loosed from Satan's grasp, and embrace God.

[Tagline: ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")]

Lysimachus #fundie someplacesomewhere.com

Sadly, you are probably more moral than most religious people, but this is not the point.... He [an atheist] still can easily turn aside and do immoral things simply for the fact that there is no restriction. On the other hand, however, when a Christian chooses right, he feels the necessity to do right because he knows there are eternal consequences at stake. So the barrier from holding believers in God to do wrong is much much greater than the barrier holding the non-believer from doing wrong. There are no eternal consequences... So if you really think about it, from an unbelievers perspective, there should be no such thing as 'right' or 'wrong', since 'right' and 'wrong' originated in heaven with the war against Lucifer, the archangel.

Tokamak #fundie richarddawkins.net

[Not even Atheism is free from "fundies"...]

There quite allot of atheists who do everything in their power to shield religion from criticism. They don't subscribe to religion and don't believe in religion for very much the same reasons most atheist do, but they've got an added interest:

They're snobs.

In the land of the blind, one-eye is king. Unlike the 'millitant atheists' or the 'antitheists' They want the majority of this world remain blinded by religion so they can relish at the these inferior sheep. These are the people that try to halt the enlightenement, preferably rewind it by the banner of 'respect' so they can be the scarce 'special' people to hold the truth.

These folks even try to convince other atheists by stating that criticising religion is not the way forward. Trying to push everyone back in the shackles of respecting silence and shutting up about it so the non-believers can smoothly be assimilated into the religious society.

It's all about ego. The viewer free-thinkers, the less people that are like them and the more extra-ordinary they can pretend to be.

Chuck Guthrie #fundie lifeway.com

[Everything can get all fundied up! This is excerpted from advice given by one Christian interior decorator to another who worries that her occupation isn't Christian enough. Incidentally, as a Pagan interior decorator, I don't bring religious statues or themes of any kind, just blend in what the client already has.]

If you have been gifted by God to know how to enhance the décor of your home, or the homes of others, then it’s a wonderful gift to share. And, if individuals in the marketplace are going to be paid to help in these areas as designers, then as with most other professions, it’s great for that person to be a Christian. Just like we're all called to do as believers in any career - you can let the light of Jesus shine through you. Whether working with believers or with non-believers, you can be a blessing and allow God to give you opportunities to minister as you trust Him for wisdom and creative ideas.

Here are a few practical ways you can minister. Ask your clients if you can pray with them as you make important decisions, or at least let them know you're praying about it. Tie in themes that glorify and honor God. And remember, you will be able to keep things from coming into the home that non-Christian designers may have used - Buddha’s or other god-like statues, tasteless art, dark themes, etc.

As an interior designer, you are given a unique witnessing opportunity! You are able to go into homes where you can pray quietly or aloud in each room, and even share the gospel with your customers.

Sean Thomas #fundie blogs.telegraph.co.uk

Are atheists mentally ill?

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In the last few years scientists have revealed that believers, compared to non-believers, have better outcomes from breast cancer, coronary disease, mental illness, Aids, and rheumatoid arthritis. Believers even get better results from IVF. Likewise, believers also report greater levels of happiness, are less likely to commit suicide, and cope with stressful events much better. Believers also have more kids.

What’s more, these benefits are visible even if you adjust for the fact that believers are less likely to smoke, drink or take drugs. And let’s not forget that religious people are nicer. They certainly give more money to charity than atheists, who are, according to the very latest survey, the meanest of all.

So which is the smart party, here? Is it the atheists, who live short, selfish, stunted little lives – often childless – before they approach hopeless death in despair, and their worthless corpses are chucked in a trench (or, if they are wrong, they go to Hell)? Or is it the believers, who live longer, happier, healthier, more generous lives, and who have more kids, and who go to their quietus with ritual dignity, expecting to be greeted by a smiling and benevolent God?

Obviously, it’s the believers who are smarter. Anyone who thinks otherwise is mentally ill.

And I mean that literally: the evidence today implies that atheism is a form of mental illness. And this is because science is showing that the human mind is hard-wired for faith: we have, as a species, evolved to believe, which is one crucial reason why believers are happier – religious people have all their faculties intact, they are fully functioning humans.

Therefore, being an atheist – lacking the vital faculty of faith – should be seen as an affliction, and a tragic deficiency: something akin to blindness. Which makes Richard Dawkins the intellectual equivalent of an amputee, furiously waving his stumps in the air, boasting that he has no hands.

CycloneOz #fundie godlikeproductions.com

Demonic Sightings And Visions On The Rise As The Gates Of Hell Open - from July 2015...approximately 90 days since CERN's 2nd Operational Run in April 2015

People all across America are noting a heaviness in spirit, seeing signs and prophetic warnings in the events happening all around us, leading them to believe the last days are approaching rapidly... and now we are seeing testimonies from people that are sighting inexplicable "creatures" and having visions of demons with increasing frequency.

I started researching this phenomena after reading two recent alerts over at Steve Quayles website on July 7, 2015, and found that others taking these reports and sharing them are noticing the same thing, it is happening more often as is a increase in hatred from non-believers towards believers with one woman stating "It has increased exponentially in the last month." She adds "furthermore I notice the evil becoming more evil and the good becoming more good." (Found in the comment section here)

Starting with the alerts from the SQ Alert section from a man named Eddie:

THE GATES OF HELL HAVE OPENED!-CHRISTIANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, ARE SEEING HORRIBLE CREATURES THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE

Theol0gic #fundie rationalresponders.com

"I've looked at dozens of videos on the blasphemy challenge, and I noticed that all the atheists have one thing in common: dark auras. If you look at them, they look dark and unhealthy. There is no light or sparkle in their eyes. It's as if they have driven the light of God out of them. Some schools of philosophy and religion assert that some people don't have souls. I don't know. But those people do not look normal. They look dark. It's hard to explain."

also

"The reason a person would deny the obious fact that atheists have no sparkle in their eyes or glow in their face, is because they also are victims of this same darkness. An atheist would deny this because they have no frame of reference. Having grown-up among theists, and being one myself, I can see a huge difference between believers and non-believers. Atheists have darkness written all over them. I agree that part of the reason is the utter hopelesness and despair that atheism leads to."

Curiosity Killed The Cat. #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Open QuestionShow me another »
Believers and non-believers in God- why debate over Him so much, when the evidence of His existence is clear?
Do we constantly debate that electricity doesn't exist, or air doesn't exist, or thoughts don't exist, or time doesn't exist just because we cannot see them? Or that the heat of the sun isn't true- just because our limited minds cannot comprehend such intense heat, or that the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) would take 100,000 years to cross just our galaxy, the milky way, that our minds cannot truly comprehend such speed- do we reject such truths, just because we cannot fully comprehend them? Illustration- scientists do not fully understand all the genes that are within the living cells of the body, nor do they fully comprehend the intricate functioning of the human brain- yet they do not deny that the body and brain exist.
Should we really expect to know everything about God who is so great that he brought about the existence of the universe, with all its intricate design and stupendous size?
Great to get your thoughts on this :-)

Tres Wright #fundie rr-bb.com

I was listening to Chuck Swindoll on my way in to work this morning. He mentioned an evangelistic nurse that he knows, he said she works with elderly people that are in the last throes of their earthly life. When the time is near she asks them if they are afraid of death to which they almost always respond "yes". Then she asks if they would like to be assured of everlasting life through Jesus Christ, and many of them reply...... "no". I couldn't believe it, people who are minutes away from death are being given one last chance through this angel of a nurse to repent and turn to Christ with their last breath, our Lord will even forgive them for everything at the very last minute. And still many refuse. Truly this is a depraved world! After seeing the homosexuals accost an elderly Christian woman in this thread it seems the world is quickly polarizing into believers and non-believers. There aren't many fence-sitters these days. It's getting harder to attract people over to the good side.

Happy Human #conspiracy answers.yahoo.com

Believers and non-believers : NASA lied to us!what are your thoughts about this ? ?
It’s all true. We never went to the Moon. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin never set foot on Mare Tranquilitatus. They filmed it all on a soundstage in Nevada’s Area 51. Stanley Kubrick directed, slowing down the film speed to make it look like the astronauts were walking in low gravity. He used the same techniques he developed for his movie 2001: A Space Odyssey, which “coincidentally” came out in 1968, the same year that NASA claimed to send Apollo 8 around the moon. But Kubrick was forced to do it, and so he left clues in the photographs. If you look at them closely you can see that some of the shadows do not match up and there are other inconsistencies. The flags wave when there is no air. There are no blast craters under the lunar landers. Kubrick was a master filmmaker and he would not have been so sloppy with his art—he would have put the blast craters there and he would not have allowed the flags to wave. But perhaps he was trying to tell us something, provided we are smart enough to recognize it. Maybe that is why he died under mysterious circumstances in 1999.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/18...

Kevin7Harris #fundie ireport.cnn.com

Are you a Fundamentalist Atheist? Here's a little test:

1). You compare God to "Santa Claus" or "Flying Spaghetti Monster" unaware of the huge ontological Category Error you make.

2). You refer to God as "sky fairy", "magical man in the sky", "Sky Daddy", etc. showing ignorance of the classical understanding of God's nature and attributes.

3). You claim "there is no evidence for God", apparently ignorant of the vast body of evidence for God that has been contemplated by believers and non-believers for centuries.

4). You tout the Empirical Verificationist Principle (EVP) unaware the the EVP itself cannot be empirically verified.

5). You think "science" is the only way to knowledge, ignorant that physical science is limited to the material workings of the world.

6). You say, "Philosophy is not needed! Only science! And that's my philosophy, (which I need to show philosophy is not needed)!".

7). You think the Problem of Evil disproves God, ignorant of the universal acceptance among philosophers and theologians that it does not.

8). You've heard somewhere that the Big Bang does not indicate an absolute beginning of all time, space, matter, and energy, not knowing the growing current consensus is: yes it does! Which shows something transcendent brought it about, thus obliterating Naturalism.

9). You think Quantum Mechanics, evolutionary adaptation, and multi-verse theories rule out God. Nothing could be further from the truth!

10). You call names, attack persons rather than their arguments, belittle, offend, blame others for shoving religion down your throat, and proclaim freely in the public square that Christian or religious views should have NO freedom in the public square!

Oh! And the big sign you're a Fundamentalist Atheist: you are irritated or downright angry that God, informed faith, science, reason, evidence, philosophy, history, and the arts can be joyfully embraced by the follower of Christ! So, how's your blood pressure right now?

Kimberly Daniels #fundie cbn.com

Even the colors of Halloween (orange, brown and dark red) are dedicated. These colors are connected to the fall equinox, which is around the 20th or 21st of September each year and is sometimes called "Mabon." During this season witches are celebrating the changing of the seasons from summer to fall. They give praise to the gods for the demonic harvest. They pray to the gods of the elements (air, fire, water and earth).

Mother earth is highly celebrated during the fall demonic harvest. Witches praise mother earth by bringing her fruits, nuts and herbs. Demons are loosed during these acts of worship. When nice church folk lay out their pumpkins on the church lawn, fill their baskets with nuts and herbs, and fire up their bonfires, the demons get busy. They have no respect for the church grounds. They respect only the sacrifice and do not care if it comes from believers or non-believers.

Gathering around bonfires is a common practice in pagan worship. As I remember, the bonfires that I attended during homecoming week when I was in high school were always in the fall. I am amazed at how we ignorantly participate in pagan, occult rituals.

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queen kira #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Q: Do christians really believe that all non-believers go to hell?

Yes, even that "little old agnostic woman" down the road. The fact that she is agnostic shows rebellion toward God, no matter how many nice cookies she bakes for everyone. God can see through her façade and read her heart. Inside, she is in rebellion against her Creator.

Dan Calabrese #fundie dancalabresebooks.com

Put simply, non-believers argue with believers because they don’t want to be held to God’s standards of righteousness. They want total freedom to indulge in evil. That’s why they actually attempt to evangelize on behalf of atheism through billboards, demonstrations and so forth. If they don’t believe, but you do, you might try to make God’s standards of righteousness prevail throughout society, and that’s what they really fear. This explains all the hysterical yelping about “dominionism” and so forth. Let any law be passed with something biblical as part of the justification, and watch them launch into conniption fits. If God said He would give you life and power but you could make any moral choices you wanted, they would all believe in Him...

...That being the case, you have to work not to believe in God. It requires a serious effort. You have to fight your core spiritual nature. Note that v. 21 says those who rejected God “became futile in their thoughts.” The word “became” is key. They weren’t always futile in their thoughts. They didn’t start out that way. They had to become that way. And that required the very active task, identified in v. 18, of suppressing the truth. If you just do nothing, your default state of mind is to believe in God because God puts the knowledge of Him in you from the time He creates you.

Not believing in God requires active rebellion on your part. It’s something you have to keep working at. Now I’m sure that over time, you can partner with Satan to make it so deeply embedded in your spirit that you become trained to disregard your knowledge of God. But that doesn’t mean the knowledge isn’t there. It just means you’ve gotten really good at disregarding it. That explains why some atheists never stop talking about their atheism, and some get quite angry at the very God they claim doesn’t exist, like Bill Maher recently calling God a “dick” and a “psychotic murderer.” Really, Bill. Why spew such rage at . . . nothing?

Fred Butler #fundie hipandthigh.wordpress.com

Fundy complains the "classical" apologists try to justify the bible's validity before they try to use it to convert non-believers.

I believe there is reason for this misuse of Scripture. It has been my observation that classic apologists have an extremely low view of the Bible, especially at the front end of the apologetic encounter. Because they insist that the trustworthiness and viability of the Bible must first be established in the mind of the unbeliever with the use of external evidence BEFORE it can appealed to as an authority, they have a bad tendency of intentionally avoiding it.

Original Playwrite Unknown #fundie bible-truths.com

(=Note: I am not sure if this is a fundie qoute in on itself but it is a description/review of a popular fundie play taken from a Christian Universalist blogging site, but even then they express extreme views=)

Heaven's Gates, Hell's Flames - Maybe the most satanic play ever

Have you ever heard of the play "Heaven's Gates, Hell's Flames"? I have never, ever withnessed such blasphemy what I withnessed about half a year ago! I had no idea that the tradition of middle-ages still lives so strong!

In the beginning of the drama, Jesus is crucified. Then the play shows us different people, who die during the play and are accepted to heaven or sent to hell depending on if their name was on the Book of
Life.

The thing which angered me most was that how the play was emphasizing hell and the eternal torment. Those, who have not reached the True Gospel are probably in great distress. I, although I know that God will not torture anyone for eternity, but chastens and makes everyone learn righteousness, I felt myself very, very uncomfortable. I don't remember last time when I have felt so terrible.

The play went on about an hour and during that hour the Satan took many souls into the depths of hell, where they shall be burning eternally.

In the play, Satan was portrayed as the master of hell and torture which is totally unscriptural, because Bible tells us that Satan will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and he does not rule it! Even the actor who played Satan admitted to me after the show that it is God's
hell, not Satan's (but still he took part of the play KNOWING that it wasn't actually scriptural!)

Immediatly after the play, when the play has scared the hell into the people (pun intended), the show's director climbs to stage and tells people to come and take Christ to their lives.

There is nothing wrong with taking Christ to your life, but these poor people do not take Christ into their people because of their faith and knowledge of the truths, but more because of the fear of eternal torture.

I ask myself now, how can the show's director ask people to step forward and take Christ into their lives if they do not know the true nature of Christ and God? God wills ALL to be saved and Christ is the saviour of all! ("For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach because we trust in the living God, Who is the Saviour of ALL men, especially of those that believe" - I Tim. 4:10)

Instead, they taught that damnable heresy of eternal torture. That God
allows and WILLS (because nothing will happen if God doesn't will it!) 99,9% of people to suffer for ETERNITY!

And now I have a need to mention few of the Satanic Highlights of the play.

In one scene there was a boy, whose father said that there is time to attend to church and give your life to god. Then the boy and the father died and they were both judged to hell, the father because he hadn't given his life to Jesus and the boy simply because HE BELIEVED HIS FATHER!

Is it really the boy's fault if he believed his father? Is the boy to blame? Do we believe that God of Love will punish and torture this boy ETERNALLY? The boy didn't even think he did anything wrong, because his father told him to do so and without better judgement, the boy did what almost anyone of us would have done in that age: he listened his parents, in this case the father.

The Last Judgement includes the word "to judge" and I have all my life believed that judging includes righteousness and God is righteous, more righteous than any human. Who believe that it is a fair judgement
to judge that boy to the eternal torture? Can anyone of you call it justice? No, I think no-one can call that justice. That is the justice what was taught on the play and I am overwhelmed how deeply Satan has deceived those poor people who believe in a god like that! How deeply are those people deceived who call the eternal torture of people justice!

I know that God has many great plans of us, but none of those plans include Eternal Torture! They are plans of Love, plans of Justice.

If you think logically, would eternal torture be a plan of Satan or the plan of God of Love? Well, it is the plan of Satan of course!

And the play also included a scene where were a non-believing mother and a teenage girl, who had her name written on the book of life. After they died, the Satan and his demons took the mother into the depths of hell and torture. The girl sobbed "mother" for few times, but when Jesus came, she suddenly started to smile and was happy.

How can one be happy when your mother or someone dear will be tortured for eternity? Would you be happy? NO Would anyone you know be happy? NO! So would there be a single happy person in heaven if almost all of their friends and family members are tortured? I would say "No" but there are many people who say that it's just the opposite and that is, I say, utter maddness!!

Here are some quotes from "christian" leaders concerning hell and eternal torture. (links not allowed)

They really believe that people don't feel any saddness because of the eternal torturing of their loved ones, but in fact they say that people will rejoice because such thing happens!

But the very post was to tell you another tale of maddness.

The description of the play says: "It is a dramatization of the reality of heaven and hell, showing the grace, mercy and love of God, and shows the choices we make"

Grace, mercy and love of God was NOT part of the message of the play! The more true description would be: "It is a traumatizion with a lie of eternal torture, showing God as the God of Torture, God of No Mercy and God of Hate, and teaches the heresy of Free Will."

Have any of you ever heard about this play? How do you feel about this? Isn't this almost as sick as it can be? The man who played satan knew that bible doesn't teach that way, but he still took part in the play, because "it is for the good cause". I would dare to say that Christ doesn't reach people with that kind of play. It's a play of satan, a play of fear, not of God and love!

EyezOFire #fundie christianforums.com

["Is a deity that condemns all non-believers to hell worth believing in?" Emphasis in original.]

If you cured AIDS itself and gave billions of dollars to feed the poor. And you offered it up to God on judgement day. It's like offering a <font color=red>BIG BLOODY TAMPON</font> in the face of a holy God. Because God is perfect and his standards are perfect. And we cant keep them which is why Jesus came. Because he is the only one who did. --- Believe on him

Ann Barnhardt #fundie barnhardt.biz

The Washington DC regime has done nothing but game the system in a quest for personal power and wealth. We now know that they view the entire world’s economy and stability as a no-limit game, wherein the chips are in denominations of billions and trillions of dollars and billions of human lives, that they view as theirs for the taking. The Obama regime is nothing if not power hungry, is ramping up rhetoric with an eye towards inciting widespread violence, and perhaps hot war both at home and abroad, and is seemingly devoid of human empathy. For a dog to befriend these people would be a massive condescension on the part of the dog.

In short, these people, with Barack Obama first among them, are arch-criminals. Obama himself is one of the greatest criminals in all of human history. He has illegally usurped the single most powerful office on the planet. He has illegally and fraudulently insinuated himself into the office of Chief Executive of the largest, most powerful economy in all of human history by orders of magnitude, an economy so large and so powerful that its inevitable collapse will affect nearly every person on the planet in a tangibly negative way. He has also criminally commandeered the most powerful military force the world has ever known – also by orders of magnitude. He has hijacked a military arsenal that has the capacity to kill most of the people on this planet. He has also used his criminally-acquired power to destabilize an entire region and culture and foment what will probably become the first truly nuclear world war, centered on Israel and Iran, in which the death toll will be ultimately counted in the hundreds of millions. The scope of this crime is so large that it is difficult for the human mind to grasp it.

We are now firmly in the domain of the Stalin Principle. Josef Stalin famously said, “One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.” Obama, and the entire political class in Washington, and really, our entire culture collectively, now obviously determine the moral licitness of an activity solely by its scale. Once a crime surpasses a certain level in terms of scale, it ceases to be constrained by ANY moral matrix.

[...]

This apathy and moral impotence is why our nation is crumbling before our very eyes. This is why Western Civilization is imploding. There is no justice, or even a THIRST for justice. In terms of Obama, the worst consequence anyone can bring themselves to discuss is impeachment. Impeachment would be a disaster, because it would unjustly confer legitimacy and Presidential status upon Obama when he is, in fact, NOT the President. Impeachment is the constitutional remedy for removing a legally seated, legitimate President. Obama is neither. But the impeachment proceeding itself, because it would be executed by the House, Senate and Supreme Court, would give Obama a legal “stamp of approval” that he MUST NEVER be given.

Further, the Senate would be charged with voting to convict, and we all know that the moral cowards and outright criminals that now populate the legislative branch would never, ever vote to convict – no matter what the evidence. But let’s assume just for a moment that the Senate DID vote to convict. What would be the consequence to Obama? He would retire either to Hawaii or somewhere in the Middle East to live a life of extravagant wealth, of lazy days filled with ESPN, hard drug use and sodomy. This is exactly the same result that would come from Obama’s defeat in the 2012 election, or Obama’s decision to not seek re-election, OR Obama’s decision to resign at noon tomorrow.

We can no longer permit arch-criminals to evade justice. We MUST shatter the Stalin Principle if we expect our civilization to survive. Barack Obama MUST be arrested, tried as a non-state, non-uniformed enemy belligerent, convicted and punished accordingly for his crime. The MINIMUM punishment possible is a life sentence at the super-max federal prison in Florence, Colorado. Again, this is the MINIMUM acceptable punishment for one of the greatest crimes in human history. The appropriate punishment is that after trial and conviction, he be offered the Sacraments, and at dawn the next morning be put against a wall and shot. His body should then be hung and publicly displayed.


[...]

If we surrender Obama to a life of ill-gotten luxury and continued depravity, we will not only be clearing the path and scattering the rose petals for the next arch-criminal, we will also be failing Obama PERSONALLY. This is the truth of Christian Charity, which has exactly nothing to do with being “nice”.

Real Charity is ferocious, fecund and awesome in its vigor and persistence.

Real Charity does not impotently shrug its shoulders and turn its back and walk away. Ever.

Real Charity never says, “Oh, f*** him/her.”

Real Charity says, “Let justice be done upon him.”

n00b_pwner #fundie gamefaqs.com

I beleive in God. How do I know I am right? Let's look at this

Is there any PROOF right that the Lunar Landings took place? No. Are there non-believers? Yes.
Are the non-beleivers of the lunar landings idiots? Yes. How do we know? IT ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE.

JOSEPH #fundie ucg.org


I am really intrigued by the number of athiests who feel compelled to post on a Christian website,…come on guys, post to any of the suedo scientific sites that will have you. If just looking around doesn’t convince you that a huge intelligence made you and everything you see, there is little hope for you. Incidently, we Christians have the only thing that non believers will never have; a genuine hope for better things to come.

The agnostic and athiest world has NO hope of anything other than the forever dirt lunch. For those of you non-believers that are still with me, …hook up with a believer and see if you can learn the world of FAITH and begin to see a future for yourself. No more commentary is necessary,….this has been worn to a nub.

Ask Mr. Religion #fundie puritanboard.com

Morality requires something that says we "ought" to do this or "ought not" to do that. This "oughtness" cannot be derived from something impersonal, like the impersonal machinations of the universe, for no impersonal structure can create obligation. Obligatory moral standards presuppose absolute moral standards, which in turn presuppose an absolute moral personality, that is, God Almighty.

Truly objective moral values require something personal that defines what is good and what is not good and necessarily implies an accountability to one's actions. Moral accountability, if there is no God, merely implies morality become vain, since our fate is irrelevant to moral behavior.

Now the non-believer will counter that the theist believes either something is good because God wills it or else God wills something because it is good. They will then claim that the first alternative is unacceptable, since it makes what is good or evil an arbitrary distinction, and the second alternative implies that the good is independent of God. Hence, they will claim moral values cannot depend on God, but instead something outside of God.

Actually this is a false dilemma. God wills something because He is good. God’s nature determines what is good, hence the good is not independent of God, and His nature necessarily expresses itself toward us in the form of His commandments such that they are not arbitrary.

Apolo #fundie evcforum.net

Come on people. Im sorry, but I dont have enough faith to be an atheist. " For years the world orbited around, until struck by an asteroid, then broke art, reformed, and created what we now call "Earth” I mean seriously, there is more evidence that the Cave Men existed, than any type of stellar explosion that created us humans. Why didnt other animals evolve? People say they have, just before our time, but their were other people back when the dinos and older creatures where around, their pictures would have shown of how animals changed. Why do we have emotions, if there isnt a God? Animals feel fear, happiness, anger, and protectiveness, sometimes sorrow. But why do we feel remorse, anxiety, or true love animals dont get crushes. They get horny, but don’t fall in love. If the Big Bang only took a couple of thousand years, why has our Earth been around for millions and millions and nothing happened? Why are our bodies so perfect in the way they are, and there isnt one single hole in the Bible, yet many in science. I have come to believe my younger brother, more so than an evolutionist. Not trying to be crude, but think about it. If a Christian is wrong, o-well, we all die anyways. But if a non-believer is wrong, I mean that would suck. An eternity away from God and Heaven, stuck it the Lake of Fire with other no-Christians and demons. Your way will get you nowhere, you know there is a God, let Him be you God. I don’t care what you think of me for this, I know God is real, and I know where Im going when I die 110% Do you?

smartmouthwoman #fundie allforums.net

I did NOT say the killer was an atheist. However, I did mean... and still do believe that the young man was influenced by the hatred AGAINST CHRISTIANS spread by atheists today. That belief is stated in the first sentence of my short message -- "Some say Christians are dangerous... and some non-believers take that message to heart."

I believe if there was not so much hatred for Christians being expressed by atheists today, this deranged young man might not have told his friends how much he HATED Christians. He might not have found the fuel he needed to twist off and decide to murder innocent people.

It's really funny how everyone is going to such great lengths to brand ME a spreader of hate simply because I had the nerve to point out the TRUE spreaders of hate... atheists.

Guess the truth really does hurt the guilty.

Got Questions Ministries #fundie gotquestions.org

Question: "Is there an argument for the existence of God?"

Answer: The question of whether there is a conclusive argument for the existence of God has been debated throughout history, with exceedingly intelligent people taking both sides of the dispute. In recent times, arguments against the possibility of God’s existence have taken on a militant spirit that accuses anyone daring to believe in God as being delusional and irrational. Karl Marx asserted that anyone believing in God must have a mental disorder that caused invalid thinking. The psychiatrist Sigmund Freud wrote that a person who believed in a Creator God was delusional and only held those beliefs due to a “wish-fulfillment” factor that produced what Freud considered to be an unjustifiable position. The philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche bluntly said that faith equates to not wanting to know what is true. The voices of these three figures from history (along with others) are simply now parroted by a new generation of atheists who claim that a belief in God is intellectually unwarranted.

Is this truly the case? Is belief in God a rationally unacceptable position to hold? Is there a logical and reasonable argument for the existence of God? Outside of referencing the Bible, can a case for the existence of God be made that refutes the positions of both the old and new atheists and gives sufficient warrant for believing in a Creator? The answer is, yes, it can. Moreover, in demonstrating the validity of an argument for the existence of God, the case for atheism is shown to be intellectually weak.

To make an argument for the existence of God, we must start by asking the right questions. We begin with the most basic metaphysical question: “Why do we have something rather than nothing at all?” This is the basic question of existence—why are we here; why is the earth here; why is the universe here rather than nothing? Commenting on this point, one theologian has said, “In one sense man does not ask the question about God, his very existence raises the question about God.”

In considering this question, there are four possible answers to why we have something rather than nothing at all:

1. Reality is an illusion.
2. Reality is/was self-created.
3. Reality is self-existent (eternal).
4. Reality was created by something that is self-existent.

So, which is the most plausible solution? Let’s begin with reality being simply an illusion, which is what a number of Eastern religions believe. This option was ruled out centuries ago by the philosopher Rene Descartes who is famous for the statement, “I think, therefore I am.” Descartes, a mathematician, argued that if he is thinking, then he must “be.” In other words, “I think, therefore I am not an illusion.” Illusions require something experiencing the illusion, and moreover, you cannot doubt the existence of yourself without proving your existence; it is a self-defeating argument. So the possibility of reality being an illusion is eliminated.

Next is the option of reality being self-created. When we study philosophy, we learn of “analytically false” statements, which means they are false by definition. The possibility of reality being self-created is one of those types of statements for the simple reason that something cannot be prior to itself. If you created yourself, then you must have existed prior to you creating yourself, but that simply cannot be. In evolution this is sometimes referred to as “spontaneous generation” —something coming from nothing—a position that few, if any, reasonable people hold to anymore simply because you cannot get something from nothing. Even the atheist David Hume said, “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” Since something cannot come from nothing, the alternative of reality being self-created is ruled out.

Now we are left with only two choices—an eternal reality or reality being created by something that is eternal: an eternal universe or an eternal Creator. The 18th-century theologian Jonathan Edwards summed up this crossroads:

• Something exists.
• Nothing cannot create something.
• Therefore, a necessary and eternal “something” exists.

Notice that we must go back to an eternal “something.” The atheist who derides the believer in God for believing in an eternal Creator must turn around and embrace an eternal universe; it is the only other door he can choose. But the question now is, where does the evidence lead? Does the evidence point to matter before mind or mind before matter?

To date, all key scientific and philosophical evidence points away from an eternal universe and toward an eternal Creator. From a scientific standpoint, honest scientists admit the universe had a beginning, and whatever has a beginning is not eternal. In other words, whatever has a beginning has a cause, and if the universe had a beginning, it had a cause. The fact that the universe had a beginning is underscored by evidence such as the second law of thermodynamics, the radiation echo of the big bang discovered in the early 1900s, the fact that the universe is expanding and can be traced back to a singular beginning, and Einstein’s theory of relativity. All prove the universe is not eternal.

Further, the laws that surround causation speak against the universe being the ultimate cause of all we know for this simple fact: an effect must resemble its cause. This being true, no atheist can explain how an impersonal, purposeless, meaningless, and amoral universe accidentally created beings (us) who are full of personality and obsessed with purpose, meaning, and morals. Such a thing, from a causation standpoint, completely refutes the idea of a natural universe birthing everything that exists. So in the end, the concept of an eternal universe is eliminated.

Philosopher J. S. Mill (not a Christian) summed up where we have now come to: “It is self-evident that only Mind can create mind.” The only rational and reasonable conclusion is that an eternal Creator is the one who is responsible for reality as we know it. Or to put it in a logical set of statements:

• Something exists.
• You do not get something from nothing.
• Therefore a necessary and eternal “something” exists.
• The only two options are an eternal universe and an eternal Creator.
• Science and philosophy have disproven the concept of an eternal universe.
• Therefore, an eternal Creator exists.

Former atheist Lee Strobel, who arrived at this end result many years ago, has commented, “Essentially, I realized that to stay an atheist, I would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Those leaps of faith were simply too big for me to take, especially in light of the affirmative case for God's existence … In other words, in my assessment the Christian worldview accounted for the totality of the evidence much better than the atheistic worldview.”

But the next question we must tackle is this: if an eternal Creator exists (and we have shown that He does), what kind of Creator is He? Can we infer things about Him from what He created? In other words, can we understand the cause by its effects? The answer to this is yes, we can, with the following characteristics being surmised:

• He must be supernatural in nature (as He created time and space).
• He must be powerful (exceedingly).
• He must be eternal (self-existent).
• He must be omnipresent (He created space and is not limited by it).
• He must be timeless and changeless (He created time).
• He must be immaterial because He transcends space/physical.
• He must be personal (the impersonal cannot create personality).
• He must be infinite and singular as you cannot have two infinites.
• He must be diverse yet have unity as unity and diversity exist in nature.
• He must be intelligent (supremely). Only cognitive being can produce cognitive being.
• He must be purposeful as He deliberately created everything.
• He must be moral (no moral law can be had without a giver).
• He must be caring (or no moral laws would have been given).

These things being true, we now ask if any religion in the world describes such a Creator. The answer to this is yes: the God of the Bible fits this profile perfectly. He is supernatural (Genesis 1:1), powerful (Jeremiah 32:17), eternal (Psalm 90:2), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7), timeless/changeless (Malachi 3:6), immaterial (John 5:24), personal (Genesis 3:9), necessary (Colossians 1:17), infinite/singular (Jeremiah 23:24, Deuteronomy 6:4), diverse yet with unity (Matthew 28:19), intelligent (Psalm 147:4-5), purposeful (Jeremiah 29:11), moral (Daniel 9:14), and caring (1 Peter 5:6-7).

One last subject to address on the matter of God’s existence is the matter of how justifiable the atheist’s position actually is. Since the atheist asserts the believer’s position is unsound, it is only reasonable to turn the question around and aim it squarely back at him. The first thing to understand is that the claim the atheist makes—“no god,” which is what “atheist” means—is an untenable position to hold from a philosophical standpoint. As legal scholar and philosopher Mortimer Adler says, “An affirmative existential proposition can be proved, but a negative existential proposition—one that denies the existence of something—cannot be proved.” For example, someone may claim that a red eagle exists and someone else may assert that red eagles do not exist. The former only needs to find a single red eagle to prove his assertion. But the latter must comb the entire universe and literally be in every place at once to ensure he has not missed a red eagle somewhere and at some time, which is impossible to do. This is why intellectually honest atheists will admit they cannot prove God does not exist.

Next, it is important to understand the issue that surrounds the seriousness of truth claims that are made and the amount of evidence required to warrant certain conclusions. For example, if someone puts two containers of lemonade in front of you and says that one may be more tart than the other, since the consequences of getting the more tart drink would not be serious, you would not require a large amount of evidence in order to make your choice. However, if to one cup the host added sweetener but to the other he introduced rat poison, then you would want to have quite a bit of evidence before you made your choice.

This is where a person sits when deciding between atheism and belief in God. Since belief in atheism could possibly result in irreparable and eternal consequences, it would seem that the atheist should be mandated to produce weighty and overriding evidence to support his position, but he cannot. Atheism simply cannot meet the test for evidence for the seriousness of the charge it makes. Instead, the atheist and those whom he convinces of his position slide into eternity with their fingers crossed and hope they do not find the unpleasant truth that eternity does indeed exist. As Mortimer Adler says, “More consequences for life and action follow from the affirmation or denial of God than from any other basic question.”

So does belief in God have intellectual warrant? Is there a rational, logical, and reasonable argument for the existence of God? Absolutely. While atheists such as Freud claim that those believing in God have a wish-fulfillment desire, perhaps it is Freud and his followers who actually suffer from wish-fulfillment: the hope and wish that there is no God, no accountability, and therefore no judgment. But refuting Freud is the God of the Bible who affirms His existence and the fact that a judgment is indeed coming for those who know within themselves the truth that He exists but suppress that truth (Romans 1:20). But for those who respond to the evidence that a Creator does indeed exist, He offers the way of salvation that has been accomplished through His Son, Jesus Christ: "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13).

phillymade88 #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Why are atheists,non believers,whoever such hypocrites?
Ive found ALOT of atheists and agnostict people on here to be the biggest,most ignornant hypocrites. I just read a question "What do christians think about the end of the world?" and someone posted "thats the thing, christians dont think". That is the biggest hypocritical statement I've ever read. First off, religion involves very little thinking and a whole lot of faith. In my opinion, atheists and non-believers are scared,scared of whats to come. So they play it off with sarcastic answers and try to cover up their inner feelings. There is no one on this earth that fears nothing and majority of normal people fear the unknown. So I would just like an answer to why do atheists play this little game of "I can't believe what I dont see"....because thats a hypocrite statement too. So you mean to tell me, anything you cant see you dont believe? So how do you beileve that every soda you ever drank was perfectely fine for your health...you weren't there to see it tested before it was bottled?

Order Of Melchizedek #fundie #magick #crackpot atam.org

What do you see around you? You are in your living room, office, kitchen, car or outside somewhere. What do you see? Is that all you see? Look closely, is all that you think you see all that is truly there? What if there’s more, much more? What if there is unbelievable activity of past, present and future taking place all around you? What if somehow you could see some of the invisible activity around you in various forms; silhouettes, shadows, lights, orbs, or actual images, would you like to?

Quantum physics tell us that the human body is 99.9999% empty space or energy and that there is less that 1% of us that’s really matter or appears as solid. This is also true for the planet and everything on it and also the universe.

In all this open space there are unseen worlds closely layered one on top of the other. These worlds are called “planes” or “dimensions.” They are all existing simultaneously in the same space, side by side and what would appear as on top of each other. In these worlds are other humans, those we think of as dead, animals, creatures, angelic orbs, angels, aliens, demons, gods, nature and material things. Each of these worlds vibrate at a specific frequency, thus, making it difficult to see, hear, smell, taste or touch the many worlds existing all around us, if we’re not on that frequency. (It kinda like a dog, whose hearing is designed to hear at a pitch or frequency outside what is normal for humans.) The frequency barriers tightly lock up and set apart each world, universe, multi-verse or plane of reality with its own signature frequency. To further explain, for example, if Earth’s frequency and the inhabitants of it is vibrating at 7.5 Mhz, we probably wont be able to see a world occupying our same space that may be vibrating at 10.2 Mhz, even though it is right in front of it.

Yahshua (Jesus) taught this, “Change your mind (brain wave pattern which is determined by what you are thinking), the kingdom of heaven is at hand (in your reach, at the tips of your finger).” Matthew 4:17 “Except a person is born-again, he can not SEE the kingdom of God.” John 3:3
“For in Him are All things, visible and invisible, are held together.” Colossians 1:16-17

In just these passages of Scripture alone, we can understand and innerstand that the Bible teaches quantum physics. Clearly, Yahshua taught the 5 sense realm (sight, touch, etc) could not experience another plane of existence or dimension operating in my space until my signature brain and body frequency is changed to match the frequency the kingdom of God vibrates on. “The kingdom of God is not out there in the sky, or over there in Palestine, you can’t see it while you are vibrating on your signature or mass consciousness frequency, but it is within you and all around you.” Luke 17:21 OMV

When we experience what we call the supernatural or paranormal, it is because our vibratory frequency has been raised or lowered. What I mean by this is, there are many planes of existence vibrating at a higher faster frequency than ours, but there are also many planes vibrating at a lower slower frequency than ours. These can be considered as other worlds, other Earths, duplicates of this one, a mirror image of everything here. Due to the choices made by some of the people on other Earths’ existing in alternate realities, it may be operating on a lower or higher frequency than ours. This is the same for all the planets and the universe/multiverses.

“God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the worlds. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word.” Hebrews 1:1-3

When someone’s frequency is raised or lower they are allowed to peer into different realms or dimensions. We are allowed to feel, sense, taste, smell or hear what is in other dimensions. The goal should be to always ascend higher into less dense existences and frequencies. However, there may be times when it is necessary to descend in order to correct, adjust or close specific doors or pathways.


THINGS THAT CAN CREATE A TEAR IN THE FREQUENCY BARRIER

Sometimes a traumatic injury can trigger a change in the set vibrational frequency for this planet’s space and your body. A head injury, heart injury, near death experience, death experience, extreme emotional or mental break and sometimes drugs will reset a persons brain wave, heart rhythm wave or bio-rhythm wave, thus, allowing them to experience things outside the signature frequency of this planet’s space or normal body frequency. The brain is electric, the heart is electric, the body is electric and one glitch in the hardware can open the window for other programs (frequencies) to operate.

There are many stories of people who have been in an accident, injured or had surgery and afterwards developed what is called “psychic abilities.” They found themselves being visited by angels, aliens, hearing voices, seeing into other realms, became religious/spiritual and are filled with a passion to help others. What happened? They are now accessing information from higher dimensions, there’s been a rip or tear in the vibrational fabric they had been confined to. In Christian terminology, they are seeing or hearing in the Spirit, accessing the Spirit-realm.

Unfortunately, there are a few others that have a traumatic experience and when they come through it, their abilities appear to be darker. Depression, darkness, hopelessness, fear and addictions seem plague them. A tear in their vibrational fabric seems to have open the door for nightmares and tormenting spirits/entities. In Christian terminology, a window or door has been open to the demonic realm. There is hope. The tear can be fixed, the door or window can be closed and their vibrational frequency can be reset and even raised higher than before. “You must be born-again.”

Spiritual encounters are another way we move beyond the set vibrational frequency of our being and planetary space. A genuine born-again encounter with the Creator creates a tear into 3 dimensional vibrational fabric, allowing those who pursue spirituality to experience frequent encounters with the many worlds existing all around us and in us. Fasting, prayer, singing, meditation, loving and speaking living words are all keys to accessing the many powerful positive planes of existence. Spiritual encounters reset the Parietal Lobe and Olfactory systems of the brain, allowing one to use all the senses at a higher frequency, the frequencies of other dimensions or planes of existence.

Bill Wiese's Cult #fundie beliefnet.com

[A few believers of the 23 Minutes in Hell story (a.k.a. Pascal's Wager Time!)]

ChildofGod90: I as well feel sorry for those who mock this story, or our Lord Jesus Christ for that matter. Saying this all isnt true may be your perception. But there is great amounts of evidence that the Bible and the Lord is the one Truth. SO maybe for the first time, consider this, what if your WRONG?, what if your perception and rejection of Christ will lead you to this horrific place? Put yourself in that cell in that environent, no way out. sure we dont know if Wiese's story was a reality or just a mere dream, but the truth remains the same, Hell is real, the Bible speaks on it, its for eternity, FOREVER!

Undertow: I feel very sorry for all the non-believers who have posted here... It is sad since many of you have totally missed the point of this Man's account... You the story in and of itself is not the message, this isn't a "scared straight" message... This book is to encourage people to read and understand the Bible. The specific experience that this man endured is not greater than the Truth that has already been written in the Bible. The Bible is the book of truth but many, myself included, have never read it... Its stories like these that trigger one to do their Truths... Furthermore, the saddest part about reading these blogs is that many are saying the good go to heaven and the bad go to hell... who are we to determine who is "good enough" to go to heaven. Human standards are not the standards which determine everlasting life.

joninokc007: 23 Minutes in Hell will make impact on people who already believe i Christianity, and will be a source of amusement to the atheists and science types who pigeon hole all paranormal experience into insanity, dreams, hallucination, or mental illness. This is how the world is. Perceptual boxes can be very airtight, and systems of beliefs can be as airtight The problem is, everyone dies, and if there is an afterlife, it is handy to prepare for it. It is easy to accept uncritically the party line of the state and science that you are a shaved monkey and helpless tool of the powers that be in society, but what if they lied, and reality is much more complex and supernatural than you were told.

Nailed4all #fundie howtokillyourself.net

Suicide is not Painless!
Because the real pain comes after death, being burnt eternally in hell. The Bible teaches that all nonbelievers are destined for hell. Most people misunderstood that once a person dies, that's the end of life. This is not true. All non-believers will be resurrected in the last days (Dan 12:2, Acts 24:15, John 5:28, 29) and punished by burning in hell eternally (Matthew 25:46). A true believer does not commit suicide for humans were made in God's image, thus God disapproves suicide

Mark Johansen #fundie creation.com

Is evolution pseudoscience?

The Skeptic’s Dictionary contains an entry on ‘pseudoscience’ that includes ten characteristic fallacies of pseudoscientific theories. The list’s compiler clearly did not have evolution in mind, as the very first group the article identifies as pseudoscientific is ‘creationists’. Ironically, evolution has almost every characteristic on this list. Let’s look at how evolution exhibits the fallacies listed by these self-proclaimed skeptics, with just one example of each.

1. Some pseudoscientific theories are based upon an authoritative text rather than observation or empirical investigation.

In almost every debate about origins, the first argument given by the evolutionists is an appeal to authority. The National Academy of Sciences flatly asserts, ‘While the mechanisms of evolution are still under investigation, scientists universally accept that the cosmos, our planet, and life evolved and continue to evolve.’ [our emphasis]

We are supposed to respect these scientists because science has proven so powerful. But the people who preach evolution didn’t discover gravity or pasteurization or semiconductors. They just call themselves by the same name, ‘scientist’.

2. Some pseudoscientific theories explain what non-believers cannot even observe.

The web site of the US Department of Energy admits that no one has observed evolution happen in nature or the laboratory, but explains, ‘As for the fact that we haven’t made evolving life in the laboratory yet, I think that you’re expecting too much of your species. Let’s say, as a first guess, that it took blind Nature a billion years to make evolving life on earth. … How much faster do you want us to go? Even if you give us an advantage of a factor of a MILLION in speed, it would still take us a thousand years to catch up … ’.

So it is totally unrealistic to expect to actually observe evolution, even under artificially accelerated conditions.

Richard Dawkins, Professor of Zoology, Oxford University, said, ‘Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it has not been observed while it’s happening.’

3. Some can’t be tested because they are consistent with every imaginable state of affairs in the empirical world.

The next is essentially the same:

4. … [or] are so vague and malleable that anything relevant can be shoehorned to fit the theory.

Evolutionists are always ready with a story to explain any observed trait of a species. Why do some birds, like peacocks and birds of paradise, have beautiful and elaborate tails? Evolutionists explain, ‘If a peacock can … find food and evade predators while dragging around a bigger and more conspicuous tail than his rivals do’ this demonstrates that he is particularly strong and capable, and thus makes a better mate. So evolution selects females that prefer males with the most elaborate tails.

But the same article also says, ‘it’s hard to figure what possible advantage these eye-catching but burdensome appendages offer … in the grim business of survival.’ If peacocks had small, streamlined tails, evolutionist would surely be explaining that an efficient tail gives an advantage in the struggle for survival (in escaping from predators, for example).

Evolution is just as good at ‘predicting’ things that never happened as it is at predicting things that actually did happen. A theory that can explain anything, predicts nothing and proves nothing.

5. Some theories have been empirically tested and rather than being confirmed they seem either to have been falsified or to require numerous ad hoc hypotheses to sustain them.

Evolutionists are forced to admit that the fossil evidence for their theory is slim to non-existent. For example, almost all major groups of creatures appear in the fossil record with no evolutionary past. ‘Something quite bizarre happened at the end of the Precambrian Era. Rocks from that time show evidence of an astounding variety of multicelled and hard-shelled life forms that seemingly appeared all at once. Scientists have long pondered the causes of this sudden appearance of new life forms, known as the Cambrian explosion.’

So the evolutionists offer ad hoc hypotheses to explain the lack of evidence. One popular theory is ‘punctuated equilibrium’, which says that sometimes evolution happens so fast that there are too few ‘intermediate’ generations for any to have much chance of being fossilized.

We cannot see evolution happening today because it goes so slowly, and we cannot see evidence of it in the past because it happened too quickly!

6. Some pseudoscientific theories rely on ancient myths and legends…

Okay, one that doesn’t particularly describe evolution, although evolutionary notions can be traced back to ancient pagan Greek philosophers such as Empedocles (c. 490–430 BC)

7. Some pseudoscientific theories are supported mainly by selective use of anecdotes, intuition, and examples of confirming instances.

Evolutionists try to find animals that fit into their ‘evolutionary tree’. In the classic ‘horse story’, they arrange a group of animals with similar body shapes in order by size and say it shows the evolution of the horse. But is this actual ancestry or just a contrived arrangement? Except for the supposed ‘first horse’, which it probably isn’t, far from being an example of evolution, the fossils show the wide variation within a created kind. As the biologist Heribert-Nilsson said, ‘The family tree of the horse is beautiful and continuous only in the textbooks’.

Most of the creatures that would have had to exist if evolution were true have never been found, and some creatures have been found that don’t fit in the evolutionary tree at all, like the platypus. But evolutionists seize on a few creatures that sort of look like they might be halfway between a badger and a horse, or between a reptile and a bird. These rare apparent fits ‘prove’ evolution as much as occasional good guesses by a psychic ‘prove’ that he can read your mind.

8. Some pseudoscientific theories confuse metaphysical claims with empirical claims.

Some evolutionists insist that evolution has no metaphysical implications. ‘Evolution does not have moral consequences, and does not make cosmic purpose impossible.’

But others make dogmatic metaphysical applications. The American Academy for the Advancement of Science website includes a whole section on ‘Science, Ethics, and Religion’, with statements like, ‘Evolution is the creation myth of our age. By telling us our origins it shapes our views of what we are. … In calling it a myth I am not saying that it is a false story. I mean that it has great symbolic power, which is independent of its truth. Is the word religion appropriate to it? This depends on the sense in which we understand that very elastic word. I have chosen it deliberately.’

Richard Dawkins said that ‘Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist’.

9. Some pseudoscientific theories … contradict known scientific laws and use ad hoc hypotheses to explain their belief.

A pro-evolution web site states, ‘Until the 19th century, it was commonly believed that life frequently arose from non-life under certain circumstances, a process known as “spontaneous generation”. This belief was due to the common observation that maggots or mould appeared to arise spontaneously when organic matter was left exposed. It was later discovered that under all these circumstances commonly observed, life only arises from life. … No life has ever been observed to arise from dead matter.’

But evolutionists dismiss the fact that their theory requires the violation of this well-established law of science. ‘Did [Pasteur] prove that no life can ever come from non-living things? No, he didn’t, and this is because you cannot disprove something like that experimentally … ’.

The fact that all the experimental evidence of the past 200 years contradicts their theory is irrelevant, because they speculate that it’s possible that there is some experiment that no one has yet tried where it might work.

10. Pseudoscientists claim to base their theories on empirical evidence, and they may even use some scientific methods, though often their understanding of a controlled experiment is inadequate.

Evolutionists claim that their theory is science, but the National Center for Science Education, which is an anti-creationist lobbying group, admits that there’s a problem: ‘The failure of many students to understand and accept the fact of evolution is often a consequence of the naïve views they hold of the nature of science … . According to this naïve view, the key to the unique success of science at producing true knowledge is “The Scientific Method”, which, on the standard account, involves formulating hypotheses, making predictions, and then going into the laboratory to perform the crucial experiment. … In contrast, the work of many evolutionary biologists involves the reconstruction of the past. The methods they use do not conform to the standard view of “The Scientific Method”.’

So if you can’t actually prove your theory using the scientific method, which actually uses controlled experiment, as distinct from plausible story telling, simply declare that only ‘naïve’ people think that the scientific method has anything to do with ‘science’.

Thus, of the ten characteristics of pseudoscience listed in the Skeptic’s Dictionary, evolution meets nine. Few other pseudosciences—astrology, astral projection, alien abduction, crystal power, or whatever—would meet so many.

MountainGorilla #racist #sexist #psycho #quack incels.co

[Blackpill] The Psychology of Normies When Faced With The Truth

They're incapable of taking other people's perspective and yet they have the fucking audacity to spread mental health awareness.
All of these normies believe nurture > nature JUST FUCKING LOL. Your environment is only affects you like 20% while genetics affects your life by 80%. Don't believe me? Just look at African IQ scores vs White IQ scores and also search up the Flynn Effect. After adolescence, iq goes back down to normal and Africans IQ goes back to 85 and Whites IQ scores goes back to 90 thanks to the Flynn Effect because it doesn't matter if a African child was raised in a white household, further proving that it all comes down to genetics.

I think the lesson we can get out of this is that most people/normies are fucking mediocre, life is short and you are not going to do anything special with your life. These normies believe they are special because they love believing in a comfortable lie. Just wait until the agepill hits them and see them drop their beliefs. Normies are the most contradictory people ever and I'd rather take advice from a fucking goldfish than them.

But as for me, I'm thankful for learning that blackpill at a young age. Sure as I get older and I experience mogging and suifuel around me, I can be content that I learned the truth rather than wallow in lies. Unlike these normies who betray their own beliefs at the first sign of trouble, I will never betray the blackpill, it holds a special place in my heart, its in my blood and veins and I can feel a pulsing vibrancy and magical euphoria from it despite how brutal the blackpill is.

But I think the blackpill transcends the truth as well. The blackpill is the new forefront of mankind's search for truth and the meaning of life, the blackpill carries the torch from those of previous generations of philosophers and scientists.

Livin'4Christ #fundie bbs.payableondeath.com

I think hanging around with non-religious people is doing a disservice to God. However, I like my friends and since I don't have any Christian friends then I'm not going to become a loner for the sake of my religion. I mean I would, but I really think God wants all of us to be happy. Besides, Christian boys and girls wouldn't like me. Their mummies wouldn't let them hang out with me cause I'd be a bad influence on them. Anyway, the Bible says not to associate with non-believers. Although my friends aren't religious they still believe in God and Jesus, therefore I reckon God would think it's okay, even if all we do is talk about sex. I wouldn't be friends with atheists though, those people are bad.

Johnny #conspiracy jeffpolachek.com

AKWEI VS NSA is an excellent source. And you will notice that the article Akwei VS NSA supplies at least 40 additional references. Unfortunately the NSA has been very sneaky about illegally brain fingerprinting American citizens without our knowledge or consent. A terrible thing.

If a non-believer would spend some time to research patents and such, you could see that the technology exists. Sure, the NSA and Police aren't going to admit using something that will financially break them, or an admission to violating the Constitution of the United States. They may however claim your part of a gang or terrorist organization when you aren't, so the Attorney General can file for a Secret Court Warrant to interrogate you in this manner.

I have personally heard the admission of an individual teaching the police in Missouri to use this technology. Chicago District of the FBI are wide boundaries that include Missouri. The abuse is phenominal and will certainly cause a financial collapsation of the economy when it is fully exposed. A long time ago the CB Radio was a way the police communicated. Nowaday the police use a narrow bandwidth radio that can be directed to a subject with precise alignment with the use of GPS Satellite Systems that Chicago District uses now.

wcknight #fundie forums.catholic.com

[Just because you believe it's true doesn't mean it happened, and neither does 400 people claiming to be raised from the dead make it true without evidence. A larger number of people (as far as I know) claim to have seen and/or been abducted by aliens, does that make it true?]

First off it's not 400 people claiming to be resurrected, its 400 folks who were raised from the dead with hundreds if not thousands of eye witnesses.

It's a bit different with UFO's, they don't stick around to testify about it. BUT believe (or don't believe what you want). You follow the old adage, for the non-believer no amount of proof is ever sufficient. For most here no proof is necessary. These things only confirm what we already know.

Mack Major #fundie facebook.com

Christians need to STOP allowing the secular media and 'internet exposers' to dictate to them how they should feel about another believer.

People that go around in the name of Christ, so-called 'exposing' other ministers and their ministries really have an intense agenda against Christianity- and against ministers in particular.

They will cast any preacher of the Bible in a negative light every chance they get: and many Christians are dumb enough to believe whatever the Christ-hating 'exposers' tell them about another Christian. Some of this is driven by pure jealousy. And some has a far more sinister aspect to it.

Take the recent fallout with Brian Carn. For those who don't know Brian Carn is a preacher who recently underwent intense scrutiny, vilification and attacks against his ministry after someone calling themselves a Christian revealed that he had been using the predictions of a witch to forecast upcoming events.

I don't know the guy personally, so I can't confirm nor deny these allegations. Nor do I care to. That's not my point in bringing him up. My perspective on this is different altogether.

Someone with an obvious vendetta against the man spliced together a video that allegedly shows him using the predictions of a witch, that was posted on Youtube. The moment I heard this story and saw the immediate fallout from all those Christians who couldn't wait to say something negative about the man, I immediately smelled a rat.

First off: the person who 'exposed' him calls herself a Christian too. When you look at this person's pictures on Youtube, you can clearly see how lasciviously she dresses and presents herself. That was the first red flag for me.

The second red flag was obvious too - though many apparently missed this: What was SHE doing following a witch on Youtube???

The only way she could know that Brian Carn was using this witch's predictions (allegedly) was if SHE was following the same witch herself! Duh!

This is the type of stuff I'm talking about. You let someone pop up out of nowhere, say something negative against another Christian, and just believe the negative report - without doing any deeper investigation!

The Bible says that >>>Satan<<< goes around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. *1 Peter 5:8* Satan does the exposing and destroying - and he's great at what he does. He doesn't need the help of Christians to do his job!

What kind of family does Jesus have if the family members are so quick to turn on each other, or quick to label each other as false prophets the moment someone says something they don't like or agree with?

"If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other." Galatians 5:15.

This is why I refer to some Christians as the walking dead. They're like zombies: going around seeking another believer to attack and devour with their negative mouths. Always gossiping, spreading rumors, or assassinating the characters and ministries of good men and women.

It's gotten so bad with this nowadays that I'm more than likely to believe the one being attacked or 'exposed' over the ones doing the exposing! No proof is ever needed: just an accusation alone will provide the excuse to attack and kill one of our own.

I know there is much errant teaching and tons of false prophets circulating within the Body of Christ today. I know this because the Bible said this would be a hallmark of the last days. And this isn't just about Brian Carn, who as far as I'm concerned is innocent until otherwise proven guilty.

This is more so about you and I.

Why are we so quick as believers to believe a bad report about one another - even if the person providing the report is someone of lesser character than the person they are reporting on?

Why were Christians so quick to accept the word of a lasciviously dressed woman who apparently follows the teachings of witches herself? Where is the discernment? Have we developed so much preacher-man hate that we've basically become just like the world?

Wise up and start using sound Godly wisdom. There's a difference between correcting an errant teaching or teacher by using the Light of the Word of God, and assassinating someone's character without even giving that person a fair trial or a chance to explain themselves appropriately.

I just needed to get that off my chest. I didn't want to bring it up at the height of this alleged scandal, because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire. But it's time for believers in Jesus Christ to exercise wisdom and caution.

Today they're exposing that preacher 'over there' - tomorrow someone may be exposing and slandering YOU.

We HAVE to do better as the Body of Christ

Religious Fanatic #fundie forums.anglican.net

Insulting non-believers

But if the Spotless One could call people a brood of vipers and children of the devil, I guess sinless wrath is technically possible...

I heard this argument used at an abusive and very hypocritical apologetics forum. They'd use it as an excuse to indulge their carnality. Every single opportunity to exercise their cruelty was given on account of this. They had a very cult-like mentality where they gave you the impression they were the only ones who did things right and all the generosity shown by the more fruit-bearing humble Christians was a fraud. They believed it was more humble to believe in biblical errancy because it was more in touch with modern times, using terrible arguments that had adequate resolutions (I assume because if you leave a door open for errancy in scripture, you can give a foothold to reject other parts you don't like more easily), held to a lot of post-modern political views that were not reconcillable with scripture just to appear 'counter cultural', had a lot of rude and impious humor, a very inconsistent standard of criticism when picking others apart, and a disturbing ambition to spread their cancer to the internet at large. The two notable apologists of this community, known as TheologyWeb, were JP Holding of Tektonics and Nick Peters of Deeper Waters. Both were calloused and cruel, hated by all and fiercely loyal to the cult. They always talked about how important the trinity and resurrection were to Christianity but their behavior was repelling to many. They were mostly preaching to the choir, and TWeb had a serious lack of success in gaining converts overall, unlike the more humble, traditional apologists. After suffering mental abuse by the members while desperately seeking help in the midst of spiritual anguish and doubt, I managed to break away from the community. I prayed, at first for vengeance, but then tried to remain humble and ask that the wolves be driven out and those who still had some potential to do good would repent and use their gifts for good, and that the site would disappear in some way or another or be stifled from influencing the rest of the world.

I eventually learned around 2014 that the site, shortly after I left and prayed, had lost their entire decade-long history in a massive hard drive crash with no backups except the most recent ones that year, and everything else had vanished. Several ardent members left the community to pursue other interests, some taking on a more radical disposition or adopting heretical views, a few even abandoning the faith, and that JP and Nick left the site to pursue their own work separately. And while JP and Peters still defend some rather liberal, erroneous postmodern views, they eventually cleaned up a lot of their contributions and work to remove the demeaning and mocking tone it once had. I consider it the work of God in some way. I hope they continue to grow out of their errors and see the light, as all of us should.

When I look back, I realize how little TheologyWeb taught me about theology. They had some very superficial arguments for some of the bigger aspects of the Christian faith I mentioned, like the resurrection, but nothing that hadn't been explained just as well elsewhere, with all the errors and liberal 'scholarship' excised. I am still angry when I remember the things people did and said to me there, and am mad at myself for falling into the snare and becoming addicted to it so as to allow myself to be abused, but it was a hard lesson to learn. A lot of internet apologists are spreading heresy and liberalism, trying to pass it off under a kind of psuedo-orthodoxy, and it's doing a lot of damage when a lot has to be done in this day and age to defend Christianity from an accurate point of view.

jar #fundie rr-bb.com

Interesting you brought this up. Yes, I have felt like my family has been under attack for the past six months. We are all believers, my husband being a relatively new Christian (6yrs.) ...It is probably the hardest for him because of being a 'young' Christian. I just keep praying for God to give us wisdom, strength and help us keep our focus on Him because that can be so hard sometimes. Obviouslyl, Satan already has the non-believer and therefore is leaving them alone. It is the "believer" who he wants to capture so we can expect a lot of temptations, unfortunately. It is "a spiritual warfare" and we must all pray for each other!

Bernardd #fundie rr-bb.com

I disagree with the initial comment that all children go to heaven.

1 Cor 7:14 says that if a child has at least ONE believing parent, the child is holy. However, if both parents are non-believers, the child is "unclean."

Perhaps there is more to being a parent than we typically assume.

Rick Joyner #fundie theoakinitiative.org

Justice for All

In general, Christians don’t expect non-believers to live according to biblical morals, and they want all American citizens to have their rights protected. There are some extremists in every group, but Christians do not want to impose their morals on others. However, neither do they want what they consider to be immorality imposed on them. The recent Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage did just that, even though its most serious violation of America was about much more. It was an unconstitutional decision, and if allowed to stand, brings into question whether we are still a Constitutional Republic, or a nation of laws.

The Constitution is clear that any authority not specifically given to the Federal Government is reserved to the states and the people. Nowhere is the Federal Government given authority to impose such a social agenda. Many Americans seem to assume that because the Federal Government is bigger, it has authority over the states. The opposite is actually true if we are still basing our government on the Constitution. The states have authority over the Federal Government in everything that is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as being given to the Federal Government. Any other authority it takes does not have legal legitimacy.

Thomas Jefferson’s loudest and most vehement warnings were about “judicial tyranny,” which he warned would become exactly like what the Supreme Court, and many of the Federal Courts, are now imposing on America. These rulings are unlawful and unconstitutional. The justices that blatantly violated their oath to defend the Constitution by voting for something like this should be impeached.

California’s vote for Proposition Eight in 2008 was the constitutional way to handle such issues—by the states and by the people. A state does have the right to have same-sex marriage or not. The State of California, and the people, decided how they wanted this issue settled in their state. They voted not to have same-sex marriage. A single Federal Court judge, who was himself exposed as being a practicing homosexual at the time of his decision, overturned the will of millions of people and the State of California. That is what Jefferson called “judicial tyranny.” It is unlawful and unconstitutional.

This judge should have certainly been impeached for such a violation of the Constitution, but no one did a thing because we do not have leaders who keep their oath of office. Those who did nothing should be impeached as well for not obeying their oath to defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

So should the President and his previous Attorney General be impeached for saying that they would not enforce laws they did not agree with because they took an oath to uphold the laws of the land? Absolutely. Their brazen contempt for the Constitution and the laws that were lawfully passed by Congress and signed by a President was a blatant violation of their oath of office, and so they should have been removed from office.

Not to defend the laws and the Constitution only releases further lawlessness in the land. So, those who did nothing in the face of this are just as guilty. If the President does not have to obey laws he does not agree with, why should anyone else?

So what can we do? It is up to the people, the ultimate authority, to impeach those who violate their oaths of office, to remove them from office, and indict those who have so betrayed their country.

fourgivn1 #fundie rr-bb.com

In the end, budddyh, yes, if forced to, I will believe the Bible to be true no matter what happens. Why? Because I have nothing to lose by doing it, and everything to gain. On the opposite, non-believers have everything to lose, and nothing to gain, by not believing in it. And I do not say this with sarcasm or wittiness. I'm being serious. There may not be 100% evidence, and there's even evidence that appears to easily contradict it. I, however, choose to believe that the Lord will make it clear to me someday. If I get scoffed at or ridiculed for this, then so be it, but in the end, I'm mainly only worried about One specific person (or being).

Malott #fundie malottblog.blogspot.com

[Fundie is aghast at the idea that preaching that sinners burn forever in a literal lake of fire isn't the best way to win sheep to the flock.]

I believe modern day preachers have been intimidated by the religious liberals and non-believers. Today, preaching about Hell is not cool... It's just not done... Makes you a Bible-thumper. Hellfire and brimstone sermons make you an "ineffective" fossil.

Somewhere church leaders became intimidated by the name-calling... And took the bait. They retooled the message to make it more palatable to the world... And they became Cool.

Jake Jones #fundie examiner.com

For those who say we are not a Christian nation, you are in the minority. America was founded as a Christian nation and the Founding Father's made that as plain as the nose on our faces. All we have to do is look at the information with reason and without malice to Christianity or those who promote Christianity, and of course, they will need to receive the information without hatred of those who believe in God, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost (Spirit). Once non-believers can get by that, then perhaps they will have the ability to see the information and digest it in a meaningful manner.

SolitarySoul #fundie christianforums.com

Read this if you think Christians are not persecuted in America

For the privacy of those involved I am not going to say who of course, but I recently recieved many threats from a man who is going across youtube preaching that God is hateful.

I just wanted to ask for your prayers and to give an example that even in a country such as America there is still persecution sometimes. I have recently begun my own online devotional ministry, I do not even have my website completely and online yet. And I have already been contacted multiple times by an individual who is not only taking verses out of context to form a false view of God and Christianity, but he is actually gaining a following of non-believers by doing so.

Please pray for this man and those who believe his lies. He pulls verses out of the Bible, mostly the Old Testiment, parts such as when the firstborn of every child was killed in Exodus, and when adultrers were stoned, etc., and pulls these verses out of their context to bend them into forming this false view that God is hateful, and that churches today preach just what it is they want to, while leaving out the bad. He is generating hatred toward Christians in general over the internet. I replied calmly to his messages toward me, but I admit I'm a bit concerned that he may start directing this hatred toward me or others inparticular because of my new ministry.

Bernardd #fundie rr-bb.com

The Bible says that children born to non-belivers are "unclean" but if that child has at least one believing parent, the child is holy. (1 Cor 7:14) I don't know if that has ramifications for the child in terms of heaven or hell, but it does give me reason to consider the dire consequences of non-believing parents. But then again, Christ did die for all of us. Furthermore, how do you know what a child or baby thinks? How can any of us say for certain if a baby (or embryo) has a relationship with CHrist?

Sher Zieve #fundie rightwingwatch.org

Sher Zieve of BarbWire says she is on to President Obama’s secret plan to “import” thousands of Muslims into the U.S. by “calling them ‘refugees’” in order to “bring in enough of them to the USA so that they can and will help him overthrow it — they follow Muhammad’s actions to usurp it and begin their own communities segregated from the rest of the people.”

In these American “Shariah Controlled Zones,” according to Zieve, “Non-Muslims had best not enter or they will be stoned…and soon, I suspect, likely worse.”

“We are now fighting for our lives and souls against as malicious and evil an enemy as ever walked the Earth,” Zieve writes. “And, like locusts, Islam does devour and destroy everything it touches.”

"Since its inception–when Muhammad chose the pagan god Ba’al as the god-leader of his new system and named it/him Allah, Islam has been a system of violence and almost unspeakable acts committed against non-believers…or Muslims who don’t practice its ways as the Imams of an area believe they should. Remember that the only time Islam and its Muslim adherents are non-violent is when there aren’t enough of them in an area to overwhelm and overcome the indigenous populations. But, when their populations grows to a certain level, the true barbarism of these people begins to immediately rear its head. We’re seeing it now in large portions of Dearborn, Michigan where Muslims have taken over and will not allow those of another faith to enter their community, let alone live there. When Muslims come into an area–and the Obama syndicate is working 24/7 to bring in enough of them to the USA so that they can and will help him overthrow it–they follow Muhammad’s actions to usurp it and begin their own communities segregated from the rest of the people. They then spread and take over more and more land, forcing out the current residents with acts of violence. In 2013 alone, Obama had over 300,000 Muslims imported and in 2014 he imported at least 70,000 more…calling them “refugees.“ This is what has happened to Dearborn, which is–for all intents and purposes–no longer part of the State of Michigan and certainly not the USA. Police will not protect non-Muslims in this area. There is a list of cities Islamists/Muslims have complied (see video link below and start at the 7 minute mark) of the major cities they plan to take over first. Thus far, there are 30 of them. When Muslims take over an area it is removed from the country and becomes pat [sic] of Islam. Bumper stickers on fences and signs warn those tempted to enter this portion of the country that it is a “Shariah Controlled Zone” and “Islamic Rule [is] Enforced.” Non-Muslims had best not enter or they will be stoned…and soon, I suspect, likely worse. I believe that we have now entered into one of the final phases of this world’s history and that Islam is the Beast. Submission to it is far worse that dying by fighting against it. In the USA, truth is now being touted as “whatever Obama says it is from one day to the next depending on his mood.” We are now fighting for our lives and souls against as malicious and evil an enemy as ever walked the Earth. It’s time we started telling the real truth about it or we will be complicit in its spread. And, like locusts, Islam does devour and destroy everything it touches."

Lion of Judah #fundie answers.yahoo.com

So what can we do to those that don't believe?
I don't understand, Elizabeth's husband didn't believe that she would have John the baptist so the angel made him dumb for awhile.

But yet Jesus didn't allow the sons of thunder to destroy a city with fire, we can't judge them and say they're going to hell, we can't even so much as look at them in a funny way because Jesus wouldn't appreaciate that.

So my question is, what can we do to those that don't believe?

(someone asks Lion of Judah what would he would like to do to non-believers)

Well I don't know, but I don't think it's fair that they get to get away with not believing.

dp0622 #fundie freerepublic.com

[Pope Francis says God opens heaven's doors to non-believers who "obey their conscience"]

what if my conscience tells me it’s ok to touch attractive women on the bus stop and then run?

I think hitler followed his conscience. that didn’t work out well at all.

merlewolf #fundie lacrossetribune.com

Why do the non-believers fell so bloody threatened? We don't care if you do don't believe, go get out of our grills.

My favorite argument that drives them insane:

Assuming God gave us free will and wants us to come to Him...(I mean, He could have just made us Stepford Wives, right?)...then it makes sense that he would offer "evolutionary evidence" so that we would question creationism!

Sorry, but it takes just as much faith to believe evolution as it does creationism. It's all about which camp you're in. Just because some artist takes liberties and draws a monkey-like man based on a bone, doesn't prove a missing link...not to me.

If man "evolved" from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys?

Bill O'Reilly #fundie usatoday.com

(O'Reilly offers himself up as proof of a god)

"Next time you meet an atheist, tell him or her that you know a bold, fresh guy, a barbarian who was raised in a working-class home and retains the lessons he learned there.

"Then mention to that atheist that this guy is now watched and listened to, on a daily basis, by millions of people all over the world and, to boot, sells millions of books.

"Then, while the non-believer is digesting all that, ask him or her if they still don't believe there's a God!"

Laura Jacobs #fundie quora.com

The Bible clearly states of those who do not believe what it says, Satan has blinded their eyes and muted their hearing (2 Corinthians 4:3-5). Meanwhile, these non-believers brag and make light of the fact that they look forward to going to Hell, where they will enjoy their works of evil without the righteousness of God hovering over them.

The reality is that none of us will ever escape the righteousness of God. The psalmist wrote:

Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. — Psalm 139:7-8

While we cannot escape the righteous judgment of God, it is also true that God, in His mercy and grace, wants to impart His righteousness through salvation to all people.

Yet there are those who refuse such a gift.

So why do people want to close their eyes to the idea of Hell when the world is talking, blogging, and writing about a literal place that intrigues and inflames such passion? Hell is not an idea, a figment of the imagination, or the setting for a horror movie. It is the hideous reality that awaits those who refuse to let God come into their lives and make them new creations, filled with His forgiveness and love.

Please hear this truth: you will not escape God’s righteousness by going to Hell.

Consider this: Multitudes do not flinch when they condemn to Hell people such as Saudi Arabia’s Osama bin Laden, Germany’s Adolf Hitler, or Cambodia’s Pol Pot; or notorious Americans, such as Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy. Their accusers do not hesitate to suggest that certain people who have “stepped over the line” of what they consider evil will land in Hell when life on earth is over. In the next breath, however, many will say, “I do not believe that God would send good people to Hell.”

Herein lies the problem — we see ourselves as good and refuse to see that we, too, harbor wickedness within. As the Bible says,

The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? — Jeremiah 17:9

And further:

From within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wicked- ness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man. — Mark 7:21-23

You see, God does not play favorites. The sin of pride is in the same sentence as the sin of murder.

Where do you fit in? Are you like the rich young ruler who declared to Jesus that he had lived a perfect life? Or perhaps you feel only certain sins merit Hell. It does not really matter how we think of it; the truth of the Bible is what matters. And God’s Word proclaims that all people are sinners. God — not man — has set the standard, and we all fall short.

The bloggers I mentioned earlier stated emphatically that no murderer should go to Heaven. The Bible says,

The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful [people], and be crucified, and the third day rise again. — Luke 24:7

Who are these sinful people? You and me. Our sins nailed Jesus Christ to the cross, and we have His blood on our hands. But God wants the blood of His Son to cover the sin in our hearts. This is why He came. Jesus looked down on mankind and said,

“I love you with an everlasting love; repent of your sin and follow Me that where I am going you may also go.”

Many people teach today that the blood of Jesus covers all sin, regardless of whether the sinner repents or not. This is Satan’s great lie. Some believe they will automatically walk into Heaven when this earthly life is over because God is love. That would negate the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Don’t be deceived, for God is not mocked. God is also a God of justice and righteousness.

He is not preparing a place in Heaven for unrepentant sinners.

While we have contributed nothing to God’s free gift of salvation, there is a condition to possessing it — we must confess our sin, turn from it, and receive Christ on His terms.

This truth is repulsive to many. The pride that flaunts our self-proclaimed innocence is the very evidence of our guilt. Continuing in rebellion against God, whether the sin be pride or murder, will send souls to Hell. Then there will be no turning back, no second chances. There is no afterthought in the afterlife. Today is the time to decide where you will live forever — either Heaven or Hell. This may very well be an unpopular teaching, but popularity polls do not determine destiny for anyone.

What will be your eternal destination after this earthly life is over for you? Are you going to Heaven — or to Hell? This is the most important question you will ever face.

I pray you will answer it honestly and that you will know the reason behind it. If you say that you will go to Heaven because you are good, the Bible says,

There is none who does good, no, not one. — Romans 3:12

So if no one is good and Heaven is filled with only the righteous, who will be there? The answer is found in salvation — for God desires that all people be saved. Those who repent of sin against God, receive His forgiveness, and live in obedience to Him, God sees through the righteousness of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is preparing a place in Heaven for those who belong to Him. This is the goodness of Heaven.

The doom of Hell was not intended for human beings. God created us for fellowship with Him, though many have turned their backs on Him. Hell was created for the devil and his demons, and Satan wants to take the world with him into this diabolical place.

Don’t think for one minute that Hell will be the “hottest” happy hour of all.

The world wonders about Hell every day. It is one of the most daunting and repeated topics seen in art, read in literature, debated among educators, and heard in music.

One blog took on the subject of Heaven and Hell. As people weighed in, the discussion became a vicious cycle. Finally one commenter frantically typed in, “Could someone please explain how to avoid Hell?”

Another asked, “How do you spell Hell?”
The flippant reply was, “Hoping Evil Lives Long.”
But the Bible spells it this way: Hopelessly Everlasting, Literally Loveless.

You may be thinking, Billy, surely you do not believe all of this Hellfire and brimstone! My dear friends, it is not what I say that counts; it is what the Word of God says. Jesus spoke more about Hell than Heaven. Why? Because of His great compassion for souls. He gave His life to spare you the agony, torment, and gruesome reality that Hell is reserved for those who reject Christ.

I can tell you this: not one word about Hell in the Bible would ever make you want to go there. And no one who understands the peace of Heaven would ever want to end up anywhere else. As Scripture puts it,

He who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame. — 1 Peter 2:6

The world is talking about eternity. It is high time that the true church of Jesus Christ declares to the world the promises God gives in His Word on how to get to Heaven and how to avoid Hell.

The alternative to Hell is the glorious joy that awaits those who will follow Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, to His heavenly home.

Jesus prayed,

Father, I desire that they also… be with Me where I am. — John 17:24

Bill Keller #fundie votingforjesus.com

President Obama has proven by his words and deeds to be a true enemy of God as detailed in James 4:4. He has been the most pro-death President in history, supporting the legalized slaughter of innocent babies here and around the world, he is a staunch advocate of the radical homosexual agenda, and he has been a great friend to the enemies of Israel. On every major spiritual issue of the day, President Obama has proven to be an enemy of God and a true tool of satan!

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is a 5th generation member and a priest in the satanically inspired Mormon cult. He and others in his cult LIE when they claim to be Christians, since Mormon doctrine is 100% inconsistent with Biblical Christianity and a Mormon is no more a Christian than a Muslim is. He deceives people by saying he believes in "God" and "Jesus" is his savior, when the "god" of Romney's cult is NOT the God of the Bible, and their "jesus" is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. Romney and those in his cult believe the Bible to be a flawed and incomplete book and look at Biblical Christians as inferior and non-believers for rejecting the beliefs of their cult.

...

So who is a Christian to vote for with a clear conscience? The answer is simple...JESUS!!!

I am encouraging true followers of Jesus Christ to say NO to satan and say YES to Jesus! This November, write in the name JESUS for President! The option will be several third party candidates. Sadly, no candidate outside of the two major parties have any chance at winning the election. So rather than vote for a third party candidate, write in the name of Jesus for President.

Your vote for JESUS is not helping President Obama get re-elected, nor is it helping Mitt Romney get elected, it is telling satan you will not be responsible for either of his tools becoming our next President! Men need to quit looking to men for answers, but to the Lord!

cocopea9052 #fundie rr-bb.com

I agree 100%. My ex boyfriend was an atheist, and for 5 years I tried to witness to him. He said I either choose God or him? Not even a choice I had to struggle over.... He is a very highly intelligent person, but I view him as a fool because he has said in his heart, "there is no God".

And I really don't care if they are called atheist, non-believes, agnostics, whatever. If they have religion, rites or rituals....science or magic dust. If they do not believe in the one and only God, then I consider them Godless. If there is any movement at play it is the movement of Godless people believing and doing whatever they want.

It will be interesting to hear their arguments on judgment day....

Anthony Morris III and the Watchtower #fundie npr.org

Pew Research shows that only 9 percent of Witnesses get undergraduate degrees. That's well below the national average of 30.4 percent and the lowest of any faith group. The likely reason for this trend is the religion's official warnings against college.

Witness leadership declined to speak to NPR for this story, but Anthony Morris III, a member of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, outlines the organization's policies clearly in a video on the organization's website. The Watchtower Organization discourages higher education for two basic reasons.

First, higher education is spiritually dangerous. In the video, Morris warns parents that "the most intelligent and eloquent professors will be trying to reshape the thinking of your child, and their influence can be tremendous." He goes on to say that continual association with non-believers in an academic setting can "erode thinking and convictions."

Witness leadership also discourages higher education because they believe it's a waste of time. Jehovah's Witnesses have been predicting the end of the world since the religion's founding at the end of the 19th century. By their rationale, time in college would be better spent out on the streets, converting persons to become Witnesses.

Morris makes it very clear that the Watchtower organization doesn't discourage education, but rather secular education.

"If parents and young ones are motivated to pursue divine education," Morris says, "the quest for higher secular education becomes less and less of an issue."

johnbmcginnis #fundie rr-bb.com

In our earthly bodies living this life, we are saddened, overwhelmed even "panicy" for our loved ones to be saved. When we are in Heaven, if our loved ones are not there, we will understand why they are not and accept it. As much as we love them on Earth, I believe we will Love Jesus through and through and hate sin to the point, we won't want any non-believer or sin in His presence or ours, even if that includes our own family ( I feel like crying as I write this). But, He'll give us the grace, peace and security in knowing He was and is loving and just!

As much as I don't like to say this with unsaved family members still on this earth, still, Jesus is first in my life. Come quickly, Lord Jesus.

Robert Faurisson #fundie robertfaurisson.blogspot.com

[From "Letter on my discovery of the Auschwitz crematoria building plans" to Lady Michèle Renouf, notorious Holocaust denier who asked for a "real" proof for the Shoah]

to Lady Michèle Renouf

Dear Michèle,

Yes, I am the one who discovered the plans of the Auschwitz crematoria. It was in 1976 on my second visit to the camp; my first visit was in 1975.

I haven’t the time to explain to you how I managed to find, on March 19, 1976, all those plans and many other items at the Auschwitz archives centre, where I met Tadeusz Iwaszko, chief archivist at the Auschwitz State Museum.

For years I tried to publish the plans in question. Impossible. One day a friend told me he knew a Spanish journalist who perhaps would agree to publish an interview with me, along with some photos. The newspaper was the Spanish magazine Interviu. The journalist was Vicente Ortuno and the photographer was Jean Marie Pulm. They came to Vichy. They promised me and my friend not to publish any photo of my face, and that an agreement would be signed before any publication. In fact they lied. They quickly published what you can see in Interviu (22-28 February 1979, p. 64-66; please see the reproductions below). In the article I am described as a sadistic Nazi. I have the French translation of that article but it is of no interest. I filed a lawsuit in Paris. I won my case but the amount of damages was ridiculous (the presiding judge was a Jewess by the name of Simone Rozès).

So it was that the Holo Believers had been sitting on those plans for over 30 years after the war. Question: "How is it that the Jews and the Communists decided to hide the plans showing the alleged crime weapon?" The answer is that those plans showed clearly that the alleged homicidal gas chambers were rooms designed and used as mortuaries (or places to keep bodies before their incineration), exactly as, for example, in the Sachsenhausen camp near Berlin (there, the big Leichenkeller was made up of three different rooms: one for bodies in coffins, one for bodies not in coffins and another, equipped with a special isolation system, for contaminated bodies). This kind of place was called a Leichenhalle ("corpse hall") or Leichenkeller ("corpse cellar").

Isn't it odd that the man who had discovered and tried to publish such things was a revisionist, i.e. a non-believer?

In the large photo in Interviu I am seen showing Leichenkeller 1 of crematorium II in Auschwitz-Birkenau; that crematorium was situated near the football field (Sportplatz) where the inmates played soccer matches; sometimes the ball fell into the courtyard of the crematorium and had to be retrieved from there.

In the same photo, behind me can be seen two other plans.

On March 19, 1976 I ordered and paid for 116 photos (I still have the bill) but afterwards I had some serious trouble getting them sent from Poland to Vichy. I had to ask the French Consulate in Cracow to intervene. Of course, to none of those people in Communist Poland had I disclosed that I was a revisionist.

In the smaller photo I am showing Serge Klarsfeld’s book, Mémorial de la déportation des juifs de France (1978), and explaining some of the tricks played by that fraudster in his book.

As soon as they learnt of the Interviu article, the Holo Believers began publishing the same drawings but not without explaining to readers that they had to understand that the German terms were code words which, consequently, needed decoding. Jean-Claude Pressac harboured a predilection for that sort of job, particularly in his enormous book entitled Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the gas chambers, published in 1989 by the Beate Klarsfeld foundation in New York. But, as you probably know, Pressac ended up recanting his views and, on June 15, 1995 (a month after I had made him testify in a case brought against me [for my Réponse à Jean-Claude Pressac (1994)], signed a paper in which he finally said that the official version of Nazi concentration camp history was "rotten" (pourri) and good only for the "rubbish bins of history" (poubelles de l’histoire). That recantation of his was kept hidden for five years and made public only in March 2000 by a conventional historian, Valérie Igounet, at the very end of her book, Histoire du négationnisme en France, Seuil (Paris), p. 651-652.

Best wishes,

Robert Faurisson
Vichy, July 13, 2009

VladTheImpaler #conspiracy abovetopsecret.com

I support the New World Order/Global Elite!

Hello,

I would like to voice my support for the ‘Global Elite’ and the New World Order, should it exist.

I cannot say I have spent too much time researching the conspiracy theory in regards to the New World Order. I’ve read that the Global Elite plans to exterminate and kill 80% (4 out of 5) people in the world.

Now, after reading this, I must say, what a wonderful idea!

In my opinion there are too many undesirable groups in the world that I my self would be pleased to get rid of.

To start I would like to plead to the ‘Global Elite’ that those whom believes in Jesus Christ (imaginary) to be at the top of the “not needed” list. This is by far the most annoying [religious] group in the world, ever. People whom delude themselves into believing the teachings of the bible without scepticism are lost and I’m simply tired of listening to their fallacious arguments. Oh and the Jews aren’t needed either.

Second, let’s get rid of the entire Islamic population. Although not as annoying as Christ believers, they are certainly very dangerous to the world peace as the very holy book its self clearly describes that killing non-believers is justified. This fact makes it rather difficult to establish any sort of permanent peace with this fanatical group (reference the Middle East).

There are several other religious groups we can really be without, but if we can eliminate the above two the world will be a much better place. Therefore I’d like to request to the Global Elite that you kill Atheist last.

Thirdly, we really don’t need racist (which I define as a person whom finds himself superior simply because of skin colour), homophobes (education and the removal of religious groups such as Christianity should take care the majority of these), people whom voted for George W. Bush (Atheist or not), and finally intolerant assholes like my self (no wait =’( ).

Who wants to start a New World Order fan club?

This is simply my modest opinion; I am in no way saying I wish to kill members of the above religious groups (I don’t want to kill or harm anyone, seriously). I’m just saying I want someone else to do it for me.

"Just Wait and See" (Name changed to protect the ignorant) #fundie wkyt.com

They are getting their "fifteen minutes" of fame here. That is all it is about..They do not care what the plaque says. It is all about money, as usual. We can argue back and forth on here to no avail. The "non-believers" are not going to change their minds. They have nothing to look forward to, unless they are the sect that believes they will "turn back into earth and nourish the tree" that will grow from them...Let's hope that that tree they turn into is cut down and turned into paper and used to print the bible on. LOL!! How would that irony suit them!! Believe what you want, you will be sadly surprised when the day comes to stand before the Lord and explain why you were against him or never for him. Good Luck with that!

Irenic #fundie freerepublic.com

When kids believe in Santa Claus there’s a naughty and nice list. Does one child get to declare I don’t believe in Santa therefore I get a gift from Santa no matter what I do, while the other child plays by the rules to get a gift from Santa? Usually the non-believing child no longer gets a gift from Santa but from mom and dad.

Marriage is a gift from God and we believers live under His law, if you don’t believe and live by Gods law, why should you get a gift of God that is for His believers? Have a civil union that isn’t a gift from God but a gift of mans law.

Does a Mathematician rant and rave and go ape-chit offended with a book containing words because it is not all numbers? Atheists and homosexuals just want to snatch the lolly from another. Miserable Nellie Olesons...the lot of them!

Wayne #fundie topix.net

For the sake of getting some straight answers from you non-believers, let's assume there really IS no God. Why is the world in such a mess? Now, you can't blame believers of any religion. Remember, according to you there IS no God. Why, in all these millions of years, haven't we evolved into a more compassionate people? Please, use NO reference to God or religions.

Patriotic Veteran #conspiracy #wingnut twitter.com

Barack Obama: The catastrophic fires in Australia are the latest example of the very real and very urgent consequences of climate change. It’s on us to stay focused and protect the one planet we’ve got for the next generation.

Patriotic Veteran: The fires were started by arsonists, arsonists who were protesting against the non-believers of the #ClimateCrisisHoax Thank God we have @realDonaldTrump who will serve #4MoreYears #GodBlessAmerica #GodBlessAustralia