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Child marriages among the Roma people in Europe are still prevalent. Roma is an unprivileged minority group in Romania, Spain, Italy, France etc. and are orthodox Christians.

Recently in Spain a 10-year-old daughter of a woman in her 30s gave birth to a baby. The father is 13. Shocking!

The West is so cleverly silent about containing what it condemns for others that you hardly know it exisits within their community until some sudden news story comes up in that regard.

Moreover, in the West they consider it okay if both are minors. But they will object if a 16 year old gets married to a 19 year old because the 16 year old is officially a minor whereas the 19 year old isn't. Now this is pure madness! Similarly if a 14 year old girl gets married to a 15 year old boy, they accept that. But if that 14 year old gets married to a 28 year old man, the guy becomes a "pedofile." Again, this is highly stupid. A 14 year old girl can be much better looked after and supported by a 28 year old than by a 15 year old. Needless to say, I don't at all support marriage of underage girls. But what I mean to say is that if a minor girl ends up getting married, it only makes the mess bigger if the boy she marries is also a minor.

Now read the messy story below. Very sad state of affairs.

Mom happy that her 10-year-old gave birth

MADRID - A Roma woman whose 10-year-old daughter just gave birth in Spain says she's delighted to have a new granddaughter and doesn't understand why the birth has shocked anyone — let alone become an international sensation.


Spanish authorities have released few details about the case to protect the girl's privacy.


But in comments published Wednesday, her Romanian mother told reporters the baby's father is a 13-year-old boy who is still in Romania and is no longer going out with her daughter.


The 10-year-old girl and her baby daughter plan to stay in Spain because the young couple separated, said the girl's mother. She identified herself only as Olimpia and appeared to be in her 30s but did not give her age.


She also said she didn't understand the attention the case was generating because she and her daughter are Roma and their custom is to allow girls to marry young even though that's against the law in Romania.


"That's the way we get married," the girl's mother told reporters Tuesday outside the modest apartment building in the southern town of Lebrija where the family lives.


Meanwhile, the story was going viral on the Internet and causing an uproar in Spain.


"Mother at 10 years old" blared a headline in Barcelona's La Vanguardia newspaper, which dedicated two pages to the story.


In contrast, news about the 10-year-old mother barely registered in Romania, with stories buried inside newspapers focusing on the controversy the birth had caused among Spaniards.


The girl moved to Spain about three weeks ago, her mother said, and her baby was born in a public hospital last week in the nearby city of Jerez de la Frontera. There were no complications during the birth, and the 10-year-old and her baby are doing fine, her mother said.


"She's doing well and is very happy with her daughter," the woman said.


The 10-year-old and her baby are living with the new grandmother while Spanish social welfare authorities determine whether the family will be able to provide for the baby.


Under Spanish law, having consensual sex with someone under age 13 is classified as child abuse. But a Justice Ministry official said this particular case is complicated, because the alleged father is not in Spain and is also a minor. It is not clear whether he could be charged, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of ministry policy.


Romanian law allows girls to get married at age 16 with parental consent, or at 18 without it.


But arranged "marriages" between teenagers are relatively common among Roma, who make up about 1.5 million of Romania's 22 million people. Families "marry off" daughters when they reach puberty, with the "husband" usually being a couple of years older. The marriages are not recognized by the state.


Roma girls are often not encouraged to pursue a full education, and Romanian authorities do not widely enforce education laws that require children to attend school until age 16.


In 2003, there was an international outcry after the European Union envoy to Romania, Baroness Emma Nicholson, demanded that a 12-year-old Roma girl and her 15-year-old common-law husband separate and cease all intimate relations until they were legally able to be married. The couple did separate for an unknown amount of time.

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Maximilian von Auschwitz #pedo #sexist #psycho rapey.org

[Heebpill] If given opportunity, what to choose - sex with 11 years old girl, or 21 years old female

Degenerate would choose 21 old femoid in any time, because 11 year sol "is just a child". Pedo of not great culture, would always choose 11, because he's just fucker, like normal normies, just atracted only to younger females
Simpliest answer for man of culture, is "one , who is prettier". Because, as much as young girl is desirable, no way I would bang young girl, whos ugly, because that is ewww, so sexy roastie is still better option
More difficult, is if their beauty level is on par. So then it depends on how pretty both of them, as if they are just closer to average, then 11 may be preferable, as average 21 female, especially of white race, is too much of fat robust cow, and better younger girl more sexually and esthetically pleasing. If they of higher beauty level, more stacy tier, then 21 with perfect hourglass figure is more tempting, than too childish 11 (and surpassed by 13, who is perfect blend of childish gracility, and feminine curvatures), so on sheer sexyness alone, 21 could be chosen, but in that case another factor comes - in this degenerate world sex with young girls is problematic, so in tgat way opportunity to be offered sex with 1 years old girl becomes more valuable rarity
And if given more factors, like how much time spent with them. If given hour, for only sexual activity, then dilemma bigger, to choose sheer sexyness, or rarity. But if time offered is bigger, like whole day then better spend it with 11 years old girls, instead of annoying old cunt. And if be offered marriage, then undoubtly it better with 11 years old girl, as soon she becomes perfect 13, and can easier be molded into what kind of waifu I need, while 21 roastie is old and damaged, better only to bang and kick her away

Chateau Heartiste #sexist heartiste.wordpress.com

Dating Market Value Test For Women

UPDATE:

I’ve adjusted the scoring and categories a bit because the test was skewed somewhat toward lower scores. For those who have arguments with my scoring system, understand that it is based on averages. I’m sure everyone knows a 34 year old woman who is just as hot as the average 22 year old girl, but the exceptions don’t make the rules.

And a note on BMI:
I used the 1959 Met Life height-weight insurance charts as guides as they are the most accurate (before American “grade inflation” made obese the new normal). A 5’10” 140lb woman would have a BMI of 20.1, which puts her well within the most desirable BMI category.

*****

If you are a woman, this test will measure your dating market value. The higher the number, the better quality man you can catch. The lower the number, the more likely you will find yourself surrounded by cats. Unlike the male version of this test, here I have added a sliding scale to some of the questions because this better reflects the outsized importance that certain factors have on a woman’s total sexual value.

Guys, you may take this quiz for your girlfriends or wives to see if you have settled for tepid sex once a week or if you always get hard looking at her and never forget her birthday.

1. How old are you?

15 to 16 years old: +5 points
17 to 20 years old: +10 points
21 to 25 years old: +8 points
26 to 29 years old: +3 point
30 to 33 years old: 0 points
33 to 36 years old: -1 point
37 to 40 years old: -5 points
41 to 45 years old: -8 points
46 to 49 years old: -10 points
over 49: you’ve hit the wall. waysa?

2. How important is makeup to your appearance?

It slightly enhances my looks: 0 points
I look like a different woman with makeup: -1 point
I’m a natural beauty. My morning face looks the same as my evening face: +1 point

3. What is your IQ? (This relates tangentially to your ability to connect emotionally with a man.)

Under 85: -1 point
85 to 100: 0 points
101 to 120: +1 point
121 to 145: 0 points
Over 145: -1 point

*****

The following ten questions deal with the physical attractiveness of your body.

4. Your breast size is:

Bee stings up to A cup: -1 point
B cup: 0 points
C cup: +1 point
D cup, naturally firm: +2 points
DD cup, firm: +1 point
E cup and up: 0 points

5. Your breasts look firm and pert when you wear:

A bra: 0 points
An underwire push-up bra: -1 point
Nothing: +1 point

6. How long are your legs in relation to your height?

Long: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Short: -1 point

7. What is the shape of your ass?

Flat: -1 point
Round and fleshy: +1 point
Round, fleshy, and firm: +2 points
Flat and saggy: -2 points
Just average: 0 points

8. How flat is your stomach?

Cutting board flat: +1 point
Slight pouch: 0 points
Muffin top: -1 point
Flabby beer gut and fupa: -10 points

9. How toned are your upper arms?

Very toned, I can see my triceps: +1 point
Average, not flabby: 0 points
If I hold my arm out, I can wobble the fat underneath my upper arm: -1 point

10. How big are your hands?

Delicate piano fingers, proportionally small: +1 point
Average size: 0 points
Manhands: -1 point

11. Where is there hair on your body?

My head and pubic area only: +1 point
I have to shave my legs daily and wax my bushy eyebrows: 0 points
I have dark forearm hair and a mustache: -1 point
Nipples, asscrack, and that giant mole on my back: -2 points

12. Get a tape ruler and measure around your waist and your hips. Divide your waist number by your hip number. This ratio is:

0.65 to 0.75: +1 point
0.55 to 0.64: 0 points
under 0.55: -1 point
0.76 to 0.85: 0 points
0.85 to 0.95: -1 point
over 0.95: -2 points

13. What is your BMI?

(Go here to calculate your BMI. The scoring of female BMI varies somewhat from that of male BMI because aesthetics, not just general health, have to be taken into consideration.)

under 14.1: -10 points
14.1 to 15.0: -5 points
15.1 to 16.5: 0 points
16.6 to 17.4: +3 points
17.5 to 21.0: +10 points
21.1 to 23.0: +3 points
23.1 to 24.5: 0 points
24.6 to 28.0: -5 points
28.1 to 33.0: -10 points
over 33.0: stop taking this quiz. you get nothing! you lose! good day madam!

*****

The next ten questions are the section of the test that measures your facial beauty. Since so much of a woman’s dating market value resides in the appeal of her face, I have chosen to examine some traits in finer detail. To illustrate how very subtle changes in facial characteristics can mean the difference between beautiful and ugly, look at these two photos:

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I do not even have to label these photos because almost all my readers viewing them, men and women, will instinctively know which is the hot girl and which is not. Remember this the next time someone tells you beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

14. On a scale of 1 to 10, how pretty are you?

Note: Do not bother soliciting the opinions of the following people, because they will not give you a truthful answer.

Your family.
Your heterosexual female friends.
Your homosexual male friends.
Your heterosexual male friends who would sleep with you given the chance.

Instead, put your pic up on hotornot and check back in a week. Otherwise, go with what you’ve overheard through the grapevine by people who weren’t your close friends, or suck it up and try to be as honest with yourself as possible. Lesbians will also give you an accurate appraisal as long as it is through a third party and not directly to your face. Use the photos above as guidelines. Adjust your rating based on how close your facial morphology matches one or the other.

0: don’t bothering finishing this test.
1 to 2: -10 points
3 to 4: -5 points
5: -1 point
6: +2 points
7: +5 points
8 to 9: +8 points
10: +12 points

15. How clear is your skin?

No acne, blemishes, or poorly located moles: 0 points
Some combination of the above: -1 point
People are always telling you how silky smooth your skin looks: +1 point

16. Do you have any noticeable deformities?

Yes, minor: -1 point
Yes, major: -10 points
No: 0 points

17. How full are your lips?

Pencil thin: -1 point
Average: 0 points
Juicily plump: +1 point
Weirdly oversized: 0 points

18. How high is your forehead?

Low: -1 point
Average: 0 points
High: +1 point

19. How long is your jawline from ear to chin?

Long: -1 point
Average: 0 points
Short: +1 point

20. How big is your chin?

Small: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Large: -1 point

21. How big is your nose?

Small: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Large: -1 point

22. In proportion to the size of your face, are your eyes:

Large and saucer-like: +1 point
Normal-sized: 0 points
Small and beady: -1 point

23. Is the distance between your eyes:

Wide: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Narrow: -1 point

The bottom line on female facial beauty is that as the lower half of her face becomes smaller and more delicate, making her eyes and cheekbones appear more prominent, the better looking she will be.

*****

The final eleven questions measure your femininity, sexiness, and pleasing personality traits. This is the closest to “game” that women have at their disposal. It isn’t much, which is why the scoring is lowest in this section.

24. You frequently wear sexy lingerie, even when not prepping for a hot date.

Yes: +1 point
Special occasions only: 0 points
Never. Ripped and stained comfy granny panties only: -1 point

25. When someone gets hurt you are the first to ask if they are OK and to deliver aid if needed.

Almost always: +1 point
Occasionally: 0 points
Almost never: -1 point

26. You are highly competitive and often play co-ed team sports.

Yes, and I will throw an elbow if necessary. My shelf is filled with trophies: -1 point
I like to exercise on nice days with one on one sports like tennis: +1 point
I’m competitive with other girls, but not guys: 0 points

27. When a guy approaches you in a bar, regardless of your attraction for him, you:

Smile and look at him: +1 point
Pretend like you don’t notice him coming: 0 points
Frown and tell him you’re talking to your friends before he even gets a chance to say Hi: -1 point

28. On a first date the check arrives for dinner and drinks. You:

Offer to split the check or even pay in full: +1 point
Smile and thank the guy when he pays for the check: 0 points
Forget to thank him after he pays for your ungrateful ass: -1 point

29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:

Tell him how great his cock looks and feels?: +1 point
Say nothing: 0 points
Look surprised and stifle a laugh: -1 point

30. You think blowjobs are:

Great! You give them spontaneously and there’s never any doubt how much you enjoy it: +1 point
An obligation: 0 points
Gross. You gave one after your BF proposed and spit it on his shoes: -1 point

31. Do you do anal?

Yes, and it makes me come to know how much it pleases my man: +1 point
Only when I get really drunk: 0 points
Never. It’s an exit only: -1 point

32. The number of sex positions you have tried is:

3 to 10: 0 points
Missionary and doggy style only: -1 point
I’m a contortionist: +1 point

33. How often do you curse?

I think I said damn once: +1 point
I blurt out fuck and shit a few times a week: 0 points
My mouth is a gutter: -1 point

34. You’d best describe your sense of fashion as:

I’m a label whore: -1 point
I hide my body under baggy tees and ill-fitting jeans: -1 point
I wear casual clothing that flatters my figure: 0 points
I wear stylish clothing on weeknights and I can handle heels over 3 inches: +1 point
My flip flops have my foot imprint in them: -2 points

*****

SCORING

There is a minimum of -83 points and a maximum of 64 points to earn based on the questions asked. The reason the minimum score goes lower than the maximum score goes high is because there are a few things, such as gross obesity, old age, or a major facial deformity, that seriously negatively impact a woman’s overall rating to the point of market extinction.

The scoring breaks down as follows:

-83: You are proof that god does not exist, but that satan does.
-82 to -56: You’re an omega. If it makes you feel better you will have your choice of male omegas to bang.
-55 to -40: The majority of men are disgusted by the sight of you. Your kind will suffer most when our sexbot overlords arrive. Losers hit on you constantly figuring they have a chance.
-39 to -20: You were born to cockblock. But you’ll manage to marry a table scrap.
-19 to -5: Lesser beta. The men you want make fun of you out of earshot. You spend many years learning how to settle for mediocre betas.
-4 to 14: Classic beta. Your hot friends always gets hit on first, but if you really tramp it up you can snag a slightly better than average guy to take you home for a single night of commitment.
15 to 29: Greater beta. More than a few attractive guys will approach you. But if your personality is flawed you risk becoming a pump and dump victim.
30 to 43: You are officially a nascent alpha female. A lot of quality guys will hit on you and you will be able to pick and choose at your leisure. But don’t push it. You’re not quite hot enough to string guys along forever.
44 to 55: You’re a bona fide hottie. Nearly every guy who meets you agrees you are a hottie. So does every girl. This puts you in the top 1% of worldwide womanhood. With great power comes great responsibility, so try to limit the number of men you torture with blueballs and LJFB rejections to fewer than 100 in your social circle. As long as you are not a complete bitch, marriage with a top quality man will come easily to you.
56 to 63: Guys want you, girls want to be you. You are just short of perfection, which paradoxically means you will get hit on more than the super alpha females. You are a player’s greatest challenge, and his greatest reward, because unlike the perfect woman there is still something human about you. Sex, love, security, commitment, easy living… you have it all. Only your demons can defeat you.
64: Super Alpha. The world is yours. Life is an endless parade of joy and excitement. Your power is illimitable… for now.

I hope everyone noticed what was missing from this test:

Your job.
The amount of money you make.
Your accomplishments.
Your social status and number of friends.
Your deep and profound worldview.

Unlike the men who took my Male Dating Market Value test, I do not expect *any* women to be completely honest with themselves taking the Female Dating Market Value test. The female ego is simply way too fragile to absorb the shock of such a brutal self-assessment. Therefore, I will be mentally subtracting 10 points from every woman who posts her score here in the comments.

(Submitter's note: Compare and contrast Dating Market Value Test For Men)

kugel #fundie reddit.com

(butyourenice)

It's fucking creepy because a 16-year-old is mentally underdeveloped and in many ways still a child, regardless of physical development. Hell your brain does not stop developing until your mid-20s, but teenagers especially lack the frontal lobe development that would allow them to accurately gauge risk and develop informed inhibition. If you think the distinction between a 16-year-old and a 24-year-old is "arbitrary" (because what? They both have tits?), then yeah... Maybe you do belong on some list.
I've already addressed the difference between legality and morality in another comment. Your* entire rant relies on legality being the sole boundary between right and wrong, not to mention you've entirely missed the point of what I said in favor of listening to yourself harp about how adults should be allowed to have sex with kids

the reason my rant relies on the LEGALITY of a topic discussion LEGAL AGE OF CONSENT should be fairly obvious. Also you will note in my comment I state that I think an adult having sex with a 16 year old isnt right. I have taken a stance on morality. My comment was focusing solely on the legal aspect, and I agree with you on the morality part (which you would understand if you read my comment with any level of reading comprehension).My comment doesnt "rely" on the legality issue, i just decided that I would only join in on the debate on the legality side of things. That would be like saying a physics paper "enirely relies on the laws of physics". well no shit, its a specific paper that specializes in that one topic, that doesnt mean that I dont acknowledge all other fields of study just because I wrote something up about one of them.

But anyway, It doesnt matter what is morally wrong, or creepy, the law doesnt cater to your personal code of ethics. And that is my point. Just because someone else is immoral and unethical by YOUR standards does not mean it is immoral and unethical by everyone elses standards. And it certainly doesnt mean we should throw people in jail and ruin their lives because you, specifically you /u/butyourenice dont agree with it. The entire population of a country should follow exactly your moral code? get the fuck out of here you pretentious fuck. Is cheating on your spouse immoral and unethical? yes. Is it immoral and unethical to deny a hungry child food because he doesnt have enough money to pay for it? yes. Is it illegal to cheat on your wife or expect payment for your goods? Im not saying having sex with a 16 year old as a 65 year old ISNT unethical or immoral, what Im saying is that it doesnt matter. Legality is what the state has decided is right and wrong, and everyone living there is forced to follow it. Morality and ethics is how you personally chose to live your life. So if something is legal, then it doesnt matter whether or not you find it immoral, because someone else might not and they have every right to do so just like you. Im not saying having sex with a 16 year old isnt morally wrong, Im saying morality is highly subjective and personal, so if your morals say you shouldnt have sex with a 16 year old as an adult, then there is an easy solution. Dont have sex with a 16 year old as an adult. See? problem solved. And if someone else doesnt think that it is immoral and does have sex with a 16 year old as an adult, then guess what? they have their own set of morals and code of ethics that they chose to live their life by, and thats fine because they arent you, so your morals dont fucking matter to them! Its such an easy concept, but you people who think the whole world should cater only to people who share the exact same opinions and lifestyle as themselves are narrow minded and ignorant. Are 16 year old girls old enough and developed enough to decide if they should have sex? are you a 16 year old girl? Are all 16 year olds the exact same level of maturity? Yes it is something that needs to be determined on a case by case basis. And its a good thing that because it is legal, and rape is still illegal, then having sex as a 16 year old is a choice that they are free to make. If they have a parent/guardian who helps them make that decision, even better. But 16 year olds have a lot of decisions and responsibilities in their lives that require a much higher level of maturity than being allowed to have a penis inside of them.

Triweekly Antifeminist #fundie triweeklyantifeminist.wordpress.com

The esteemed commentator Chinzork wrote:

For one of the first posts on this blog, I think you should debunk all of the common talking points against abolishing the AOC. The talking points get repetitive after a while, so an article debunking all of them sounds good.

Alright then, you got it. Herein is a compilation of the 15 most popular Blue Knight arguments, each argument followed by a thorough dissection thereof.

#1: Teenagers only become sexually mature after completing puberty around 16.

This is a wholly metaphysical proposition; a statement of belief. The Blue Knight starts out from the premise that a “completion of puberty” is a prerequisite for this nebulous state known as “sexual maturity,” then makes the circular argument that, because a 13-year-old has not yet completed puberty, he or she are thus sexually immature. “Sexual maturity” is an altogether arbitrary concept, and there isn’t any way to measure it or test it.

The Blue Knight makes it seem like he or she has objectively examined the issue and reached the conclusion that the age of “sexual maturity” just so happens to start when puberty is over; but there has not actually been any such objective examination of the issue – it simply has been assumed (axiomatically) that this is the case, and the whole “argument” proceeds from this unproven, arbitrary, and essentially metaphysical assumption.

The Blue Knight argument posits that 1) without “sexual maturity” sex is harmful and as such should be illegal; 2) a full completion of puberty is a prerequisite for “sexual maturity.” You may well give the following counter-argument, accepting — for the sake of discussion — the former premise, while rejecting the latter, and say thus: “children become sexually mature after completing adrenarche around the age of 9.”

Fundamentally, however, I have seen no evidence whatsoever that a “sexually immature” person is necessarily harmed (or victimized) by sexual relations merely due to being, according to whatever arbitrary definitions one uses, a “sexually immature” person. I suspect that, as a matter of fact, “sexually immature” people often enjoy sex and benefit from it even more than the so-called “sexually mature” folks. And again, the very distinction between “mature” and “immature” is altogether metaphysical in this regard, like the distinction between “pure” and “impure” or “holy” and “unholy.” It is hocus pocus; theology not-so-cleverly disguised as biology.

According to Blue Knight “morality,” an extremely fertile 15-year-old female should be prevented from sex (because “sexually immature”), while a 55-year-old female who has no ovaries left should be free do get fucked however she likes. It is very clear that such a “morality” is really an anti-morality; it is against what is biologically natural, it is against human nature specifically, it is degenerate, and it is detrimental to the interests of civilization and the TFR.

#2: The Age of Consent protects young people from doing things (sex) which they don’t really want to do.

I have seen no evidence that young people “do not really want” to have sex. On the contrary, I have seen, and keep seeing, that young people greatly desire to engage in sexual activities. That is why they engage in them. If 11-year-old Lucy is a horny little slut who enjoys giving blowjobs to all the boys in the neighborhood (many such cases), the Age of Consent does not protect her from something which she is reluctant about doing; it prevents her — by deterring men from approaching her — from doing something which she does in fact desire to do.

The Age of Consent is simply not needed. Think for a moment about young people. Do you not realize that they are just as eccentric, and can be just as wild, as older people? Why is it that when a 19-year-old chick randomly decides to have an orgy with 3 classmates after school, that is okay; but when a 12-year-old chick likewise randomly decides to do just that, oh noes, she is a “victim” of a horrible crime? We accept that each person is unique, independently of age; and we realize that there are children –not to mention young adults — who are very much into X while others are very much into Y. Why, then, should it be so “shocking” when it turns out that some children, and plenty of young teenagers, are very much into sex? Being interested in sex is arguably one of the most natural things there are, on par with being interested in food; certainly it is more natural than being interested in physics and chemistry and mathematics, right? If we accept the existence of child prodigies, children who are naturally driven to pursue all kinds of weird and special callings, why can’t we accept that there are indeed lots of children who pursue the very natural thing which is called “sex”?

Young teenagers have extremely high sex-drives, and the idea that they “do not really want sex” is contradicted every single moment. This is all the more remarkable given that we are living in a puritanical, prudish, sex-hostile, joy-killing, pedo-hysterical, infantilizing society; yet teenagers manage to overcome this intense anti-natural social programming, and do what nature commands them to do. “Child innocence” is a self-perpetuating myth, which society shoves down the throats of everyone all the time since age 0, and then uses this self-perpetuating myth which has been forcefully injected into society’s bloodstream to argue that “oh gee, young people just don’t really want to have sex.”

The entire entertainment establishment is concomitantly brainwashing children to remain in a state of arrested development aka infantilization, while conditioning the consumers of this “entertainment” to only find old women attractive. That’s one reason why I believe that we must create Male Sexualist aesthetics – we must reverse the brainwashing done to us by the entertainment complex. The television box is deliberately hiding from you the beauty and the passion of young teenage women, and is actively engineering your mind to only find older women attractive. And yet, despite there being a conspiracy by the entire society to stifle young sexuality, young sexuality lives on and thrives. Well, not really “thrives” — young sex is in decline, which conservative total dipshits blame on pornography rather than pointing the finger at themselves for propagating a climate that is extremely hostile to young sexuality — but it still goes on, to the consternation of all Puritans and Feminists everywhere.

Blue Knights claim that young teenagers are “peer-pressured into sex.” This assumes that your average teenager is asexual or close to being asexual, and thus would only engage in sexual activities if manipulated into it by his or her environment. The reality, meanwhile, is that those 12-year-old sluts who have orgies after school time (or during school time) are often as horny as a 16-year-old male. They are not being pressured into sex – they are being sexually restrained by a society that is terrified of young sexuality.

#3: Young people who have sex grow up to regret it.

First of all, when the whole of society is determined to portray young sex as a horrid thing, it is no wonder that people — especially women, who possess a herd mentality — arrive at the conclusion that they’ve been harmed by it. If young sexuality were presented in a positive light by the media-entertainment-state bureaucracy-academia complex, people would be more inclined to remember it fondly than regretfully.

The second thing is that it doesn’t even matter. People feel regret about doing all kinds of things – so what? Does that mean that for each and every case of such “regret,” society needs to go on a witch-hunt for “victimizers” in order to inflict punishments upon them? It’s time to grow the fuck up and accept the fact that people sometimes do things which later on they regret doing, and that this is an integral part of life, and that the state has no business protecting the civilians from “bad feelings.” That’s literally what this Blue Knight argument boils down to – “the state should punish men because women experience negative feelings due to their own behavior.” No, women should learn to deal with their bad fee-fees without demanding the state to find “abusers” to penalize. We are living in a totalitarian emotocracy (rule by emotions) and I’m sick of it.

Also: what is the difference between feeling regret about fucking at 13 and feeling regret about fucking at 17? Women generally feel bad about promiscuous sex (hence the phenomenon of “regret rape” false accusations), and they feel it at the age of 21 as much as at the age of 11; actually, older women may be even more regretful than young ones about sexual activity, because they’v been longer exposed to Puritan-Feminist brainwashing, and because their biological clock ticks much faster. So, according to the victimization-based morality of Blue Knights, men who sleep with 23-year-olds should also be punished. Again, the Blue Knights want men imprisoned solely due to some vague negative fee-fees felt by some women. This is emotocracy in action. No wonder that testosterone and sperm counts are in sharp decline – society is ruled by catladies, and is structured according to catlady morality.

The state simply should not protect people from the consequences of their own behavior – and here “protect” means “punish men,” and “consequences” means “vague negative fee-fees.” Our society is severely infantilized by the victimization-based morality, and infantilization is degenerate.

#4: Young sexual activity is correlated with many bad things.

That may or may not be so, but what are the implications? Generally, people who are natural risk-takers will do all kinds of things, some of which may be positive, others negative, and still others just neutral. The conservadaddy making the “correlated with bad things” argument implies that punishing men (and women) for young sex would somehow reduce those negative things supposedly correlated with young sex. That, of course, is bullshit. If a risk-taking 12-year-old decides to have an orgy with her classmates, she will remain just as much of a risk-taker whether or not her classmates or other people are punished. Depriving her of the opportunity to take “sexual risks” won’t diminish whatever other risk-taking behaviors she is prone to.

The thing about Blue Knight arguments is that they aren’t arguments at all. There is no logic in stating “young sex is correlated with X, and X is bad” and then using that to support the criminalization of young sex. This is the same logic used by pedagogues to justify pedagoguery, only in reverse: the pedagogues argue that education is correlated with intelligence (as measured by IQ tests), then use that claim to imply that education makes people smarter, and therefore everyone should undergo education. This is a wholly fallacious argument. At the risk of sounding like a spergtastic redditor goon – correlation does not imply causation. The Blue Knight argument is not an argument at all. It’s plainly illogical.

By the way, I’d say that there are plenty of negative things correlated with young sexlessness – such as growing up to be a school shooter, for instance. You’ll never hear Blue Knights discussing that.

#5: Some Statutory Rape legislation allows teenagers to have sex among themselves, and only prohibits older people from predating upon them.

This argument typifies what I call the “victimization-based morality” aka “victimology.” The people making it assume — against all the available evidence — that within any relationship between a young person and an old person, the former is necessarily victimized by the latter.

The individuals making this argument (usually you’ll hear it from women) will often tell you that it is “creepy” for older men to be interested in young women. They will pretend that young women are exclusively attracted to young men, when in reality they are attracted to men of all ages – to men as old as their father as well as to their classmates. My own life experience confirms this, as I personally, in-real-life, know of women who fucked significantly older men when they were aged 14-15. It was all passionate and voluntary and enthusiastic, believe me. And the many accounts you can find on the internet leave no doubt that it’s common for young women, pubescent and even prepubescent, to be sexually attracted to significantly older men.

It is important to stress the point that the women themselves pursue and desire those sexual relationships, because the Blue Knights have created the false impression that the entire argument for abolishing the AOC rests on our attraction to young women, an attraction which according to the Blue Knights is completely unreciprocated; whereas in reality, it is incredibly common for young women to initiate sexual relationships with men as old as their father. It takes two to tango – and the tango is quite lively indeed. Given the sexual dynamics elucidated by Heartiste, wherein women are sexually attracted to “Alphas,” it makes perfect sense that young women would be sexually attracted to older men even more-so than they are sexually attracted to their peers, since older men possess a higher social status than young ones, relatively speaking. Again, life experience confirms this.

Thus, there is no sense in punishing old men who fuck young women, unless, that is, one embraces the whole “taken advantage of” argument, an argument which relies on a denial of the biological and empirical reality on the ground, and simply defines (as an axiom) all relationships in which there is a “power imbalance” as “exploitative.” That is, there is no evidence that any “exploitation” is taking place in such relationships, and Blue Knights assume its existence because they refuse to believe that young women can be horny for older men.

Also, the Blue Knights will bring up argument #1 to “substantiate” argument #5, and argue that due to the “sexual immaturity” of the younger party, the older party must be forbidden from being in a sexual relationship with it altogether – because otherwise there may be “exploitation.” Again, the moment you realize that a 12-year-old female can be as horny as a 16-year-old male (who are, needless to say, extremely horny), the idea that the slut is prone to be “sexually exploited” by a sexual relationship with a man who is statistically likely to be high-status (and thus naturally sexually attractive to her) become absurd. And as we’ve seen, the whole “sexually immature” line is ridiculous – it has never been shown that maturity, for whatever it’s even worth, is reached at 16. In saner, de-infantilized times, 12-year-olds were considered to be mature, were treated as such, and evidently were mature. Hence my saying: “child (and teen) innocence is a self-perpetuating myth.”

#6: You only support abolishing the AOC because you’re a pervert.

A common ad hominem. Now, it is expected that possession of a naturally high sex-drive would be correlated with sexual realism (i.e. being woke about the reality of sex), because a high sex-drive individual would be much likelier than a low sex-drive individual to spend hours upon hours thinking about the subject of sex in its various and manifold aspects. But that only goes to prove that it is us, the “perverts,” who were right all along about sex – and not the catladies and the asexuals who haven’t ever thought about sex in realistic terms because they never had any incentive to do so. Our “bias” is a strength, not a weakness.

There really isn’t anything else to add here. When they accuse you of being a pervert, just agree & amplify humorously: “oh yeah, I jerk off 8 times each and every morning before getting out of bed – problem, puritan?”

#7: You only support abolishing the AOC because you are unattractive and trying to broaden your options.

Also known as “projection.” Well, actually, there also are men who make this argument and not just dried-out wrinkly femihags, so let’s address it as if a man said it. Again, this is an ad hominem that presupposes that your motivation to engage in sexual politics of the Male Sexualist variety is merely your desire to improve your personal situation in life. Now, even if it were true, that 1) wouldn’t matter, because what matters is the arguments made and not the ostensible motivation behind them; 2) there is nothing essentially wrong with trying to improve one’s situation in life – and “there are no rules in war and love.”

By the way, abolishing the AOC, by itself, is not going to get all of the incels laid over-night. There are other measures that must and will be taken to ensure sexual contentment for all of society. Abolishing the AOC is a crucial part of the program, but it’s not the single purpose of Male Sexualism, in my view. What I personally would like to see in society is maximal sexual satisfaction for everyone. There are many ways to try reaching that point.

Anyway, the point is that “you are motivated by a desire to increase your options” is not even true regarding most of the prominent Male Sexualists. Presumably. I won’t speak for anyone else, but I’m married, and very satisfied with my great wife.

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Big Beautiful Women are not for everyone, but I’m cool with it. In this scene from the Israeli film “Tikkun,” my wife — who is an actress — plays a prostitute. Sorry, Nathan Larson, I’m not sending you her nudes; this one should suffice.
As a matter of fact, as I wrote in one of the last posts on DAF, my own kind of activism would not be mentally possible for me if I were not sexually satisfied. I’m not driven by a personal sexual frustration; on the contrary, as I keep saying, what drives me is essentially a spiritual impulse, which has awoken to the extent it has as a result of getting laid.

#8: If you support the abolition of the AOC, it’s because you’re a libertine who believes in “everything goes.”

Some Male Sexualists are, unmistakably, libertines – and proud if it. However, others are faithful Muslims. The notion that opposition to the AOC must necessarily be tied to libertinism is nonsense. Look at traditional European societies 350-300 years ago – almost none had an AOC at all, yet they were hardly “libertines.”

This Blue Knight line is somewhat related to the “LGBTP” meme – they think that we are Progressives trying to advocate for pedophilia as part of a Progressive worldview. I think that it’s safe to say that no one in Male Sexualism belongs to the Progressive camp, which is the camp where Feminists and SJWs reside. That said, some versions of libertinism (sexual libertarianism?) aren’t so bad, anyway. As TheAntifeminist said in a comment at Holocaust21:

[M]y utopia as a male sexualist would be somewhere like 1970’s Sweden or Holland.

This is a legitimate view within the movement.

#9: If young people are allowed to have sex, their innocence will be ruined; sex is exclusively for adults.

Here we see the Enlightenment-spawned Romantic idealization of “childhood” as a period that, due to whatever values one attaches to it, must be preserved against encroachment and incursion from the “fallen world of adults.” This is the Romantic basis of modern-day infantilism.

It used to be understood that the purpose of “childhood” is growing up into adulthood. The so-callef ‘child’ should be made into an adult, should be given adult tasks, adult responsibilities, and — all the sooner — adult rights. Today, society does just the opposite, and infantilizes people with a historically unparalleled intensity. That’s the result of elevating “childhood” into an ideal form. No wonder that now, it’s not just teenagers who are called “children,” but people in their 20s. That’s the process of infantilization which society goes through.

As usual, conservative dipshits, addicted to their own Romantic conceptions, claim that “actually, children are not nearly infantile enough these days.” They don’t see the pervasive “kid culture” that has completely zombified kids into being basically a bunch of drooling retards; no, what the prudish-types care about is “MOAR INNOCENCE,” as usual.

Fact is, kids today are not shown anything about the real world; a whole culture of idiocy, blindness, silliness, and clownishness has been erected like walls all around them. It is the culture of the TV channels for kids, the culture of Toy-Shops, the culture of child-oriented video games. Muh “birds and bees.”

Look, I get the temptation to indulge in infantilism. In fact, I’m probably a hypocrite, because I haven’t yet begun doing anything to de-infantilize my own 19-month-old son. He, like most toddlers, also watches the stupid TV shows and has all of these damn toys all over the place. It’s not easy resisting the ways of the system. But the real problem is that society is not structured in a way that allows children to be de-infantilized. When people only get a job at 18 or at 21 or they are NEETs, and there is an age-ist Prussian School System that is mandatory and which brainwashes its prisoners to believe that “school is good,” and Feminist careerism is pushed on all potential mothers by the media-entertainment-state bureaucracy-academia complex, it’s no wonder that people are very immature nowadays. That only goes to show how radically modern society must be transformed, in my opinion.

To get back on point: “childhood” and “adulthood” are both fictional concepts. These may be useful fictions, but they are still fictions. The telos of childhood is adulthood. It’s a transitional state, and if we must choose an arbitrary age when childhood should be officially and finally over, that age should be 9. That is, if we discover that 10-year-olds behave in an infantile manner nowadays, it’s because their parents — and, crucially, society at large — have not properly de-infantilized them. It’s a wholly artificial state of affairs, rooted in Romantic delusions.

Young people should have sex, because young people should experience real life in order to become functional adults; and an integral part of real life is — and should be — the sex life. Far from constituting a “problem” for young people, sexual intercourse is one effective way for getting young people to see the broader picture of reality. Deprived of sex, ‘kids’ grow up with warped and unrealistic notions about reality, and suffer dysfunction as adults. They don’t get to learn what’s important and what’s unimportant in life when they should learn it – young. Getting laid gives you a mentally clear vision of priorities in life, gives you a clarity of mind which allows you to deeply reflect on what’s actually going on in the world. Sex is necessary for young people, whose one and only task is to — repeat after me — become adults. Sex is a fundamental part of a fulfilled adult life.

#10: Young sex leaves young people traumatized.

No, it doesn’t. The ‘trauma’ stems entirely from being repeatedly and incessantly told by Blue Knights (Puritans, Feminists, Conservadaddies, Catladies, etc.) that a horrible crime has been committed against you by a wicked individual, that you have been “taken advantage of,” “deprived of innocence,” “ruined forever,” “sexually exploited,” “abused,” and the rest of the victimological jargon. The sex itself and the relationship itself feel good, and are indeed good biologically and psychologically; they bring fulfillment to one’s life and a satisfaction for one’s fresh and burning biological needs. The whole “trauma,” such as it is, is inflicted by society on the younger party, due to society’s strict adherence to a victimization-based morality.

That’s why I call for a Moral Revolution. This is not a troll. As long as people adhere to a victimization-based morality that sees “power imbalances” as inherently and fundamentally victimizing, people won’t be able to think logically about young sexuality. The current prevailing system of social morality must be replaced with a new one. Once that is achieved, all of this “trauma” — which is inflicted by the Blue Knights on horny young people — will dissipate and evaporate altogether

Young people greatly enjoy sex, and will go to great lengths to achieve it, overcoming the very many mechanisms of sexual oppression established by Blue Knights.

#11: Young people don’t know what’s good for them, and therefore need to be protected from risky situations.

If young people don’t know what’s good for them, it’s because society itself has successfully destroyed their ability to know what’s good for them. I mean, by the age of 10, a person should have a basic idea about what life is all about. If that’s not so for most or all people, something is deeply rotten in society.

And the reason for this indeed being the modern state of affairs is exactly because the protectiveness of parents, combined with wholesale cultural infantilization, has rendered young people incapable of independent thought. Thus, instead of “MOAR PROTECTION,” young people need infinitely less of it – so that they will learn to deal with reality.

And at any rate, sex is not as risky as the Blue Knights claim it is. They scare people about STDs, but then the solutions to that problem are well-known, and are completely independent of age – if instructed properly, and possessing a responsible personality, a 10-year-old can behave just as carefully — if not much more carefully — than many 40-year-olds.

Then there is the issue of pregnancy. First of all, what I wrote in the above paragraph about responsiblity applies here as well – the pregnancy-avoidance methods are well known. Secondly however, there’s a great differences in here: pregnancy is not a disease. It’s not a bad thing, but a good thing. I support young pregnancy and young parenthood. That is the primary “risk” which Blue Knight scare-mongers warn about, and I don’t see it as a risk at all. Instead of being protected from reproduction, people need to be instructed about how to reproduce. I once wrote, trollishly as usual, that if there should be any schools at all, then the “homework” of young females should be getting impregnated. The essence beneath the statement is on-point: pregnancy is good, because reproduction is good; fertility is good, while sterility is bad.

So, in my view, young people should not be protected from the “risk” of pregnancy. They should be instructed about it, made to comprehend the how’s and why’s of it, and then allowed to use their mind-faculties to figure-out what should or should not be done. That’s the gist of any de-infantilization program.

#12: Young people don’t desire to have sex.

Young people do, as a matter of actual fact, very much desire to have sex; much more-so, even, than many old people.

#13: If the AOC is abolished, parents will no longer be able to control their children.

What is the purpose — the very raison d’etre — of parental control over children? To turn children into functional adults, so as to allow them to form families and continue the bloodline. This cannot be achieved by hindering the ability of children (or “children”) to engage in the one thing that marks the arrival of maturity – sexual activity. Sexual activity is the thing that most unequivocally transforms an un-developed person into a developed person. Since the purpose of parenthood is the creation of adults, parenthood should serve to (at the very least) give-way in face of the natural maturation of children, rather than artificially prolonging “childhood” in order to extend the period of parental control. Parental control is only good insofar as it allows parents to facilitate the de-infantilization of their children; when, as in our deplorable times, parental control is used to exacerbate the infantilization of children, it is in the interest of society to tell parents to fuck off.

Since parents these days abuse their parental power and authority by artificially prolonging the infantilization of their own children, the abolition of the anti-natural AOC is exactly a thing that is needed in order to put parental control in check. The power of parents vis-a-vis their children must be drastically reduced when the child reaches the age of 8. That’s usually the age when sex, reproduction, and marriage all become relevant. If you want to argue that 8 is still too young, perhaps (maybe) we can compromise on 10. Point is, between 8 and 10, parental power should be dramatically restricted.

As a 23-year-old father, I can tell you that parents and family in general continue to significantly shape your life long after you cease being under “parental control.” An abolition of the AOC won’t result in all teenagers running away from home never to be seen again. But it will, God willing, result in the establishment of many new young households. That is something that we should strive for – getting teenagers to form families. That is the meaning of creating adults.

#14: Without an AOC, there will be grey-zone situations of child prostitution.

Child prostitution should be legal.

#15: Abolishing the AOC will increase pre-marital sex, which is a bad thing.

First of all, I couldn’t care less about whether or not sex is “pre-marital.” I had fucked my wife and impregnated her before we were married; so what? What matters is the bottom line: the creation of a patriarchal and stable household.

The second thing is, people today marry extremely late, and many forgo marriage altogether. This is related to the war against young sexuality: not reproducing when young, people struggle to reproduce when old; and living in sexlessness until the late teens or early twenies (or until later than that), a total sexual dysfunction takes over society, and people find it difficult to form long-lasting relationships at all. Young love shines the brightest, the younger the love, the brighter it shines; couples who start young last longer than those who start old.

Puritanical Blue Knights have brought about the plummeting of the TFR in Western Society. In my view, pre-marital sex should be accepted, as long as everyone involved understands that the purpose of any “romance” is the formation of a household. Early teenage marriage should be encouraged, and if early teenage sexual intercourse facilitates that, so be it – it’s all the better. It is not sex that is harmful to young people; sex is good for them. It is sexlessness that is the central and overarching problem of our times.

In conclusion
Man, that was exhausting, I gotta say. But hopefully, this post will serve as a guide to answering Blue Knight talking points. All of you must remember this: before you can annihilate Blue Knightism, you must mentally internalize what it is that we Male Sexualists believe in. In moments of uncertainty and doubt, consult this post, and you may find the core idea needed for you in order to formulate your own Male Sexualist position about any given issue.

There is a new revolution on the horizon. I don’t know how long I personally have left in this world. Perhaps the intelligence operatives threatening me will decide against killing me, or maybe they’ll slay me this very night. Who knows. What I want you to do is to take the ideas provided on DAF and now on TAF, understand them, and spread them. This is not a cult of personality or a money-making scheme. This is a political movement that has its own ideas, ideas that may initially appear groundbreaking but which in reality may also be primordial, ideas which we hope will be implemented in reality – be it 30, 80, or 360 years from now. At some point in the future, somewhere on the face of our planet, there will be a Male Sexualist country.

If during the next half-decade we manage to bring into the fold both edgy 4channers and 8channers (“meme lords”), and serious, intelligent, competent, affluent, deep-thinking, and strategizing supporters, we will be able within several decades to achieve our political objective.

Kehinde and Titilayo Omosebi #fundie wistv.com

Parents charged after son dies during month of fasting to get 'blessing from God'

REEDSBURG, WI (WKOW/CNN) – The parents of a 15-year-old boy face felony child neglect charges after their son died of starvation while the family was fasting in an alleged religious practice.

The teenager's father, 49-year-old Kehinde Omosebi, appeared in court Tuesday, where he was officially charged with two counts of neglecting a child. His wife, 48-year-old Titilayo Omosebi, did not appear in court but has been arrested.

A criminal complaint filed Tuesday claims Kehinde Omosebi failed to provide food for his 15-year-old and 11-year-old sons. The father went to the police station Monday to report the 15-year-old, Ayanfe Omosebi, had died.

Police officers reporting to the family’s home described the 15-year-old's body as extremely emaciated. They say there was no food or eating utensils in the home.

The 11-year-old boy was in poor health when police arrived. He was emaciated and had a hard time walking and talking, police say. The criminal complaint states he had to be carried out of his bedroom because he was unable to walk on his own.

Doctors say the boy will have to stay in the hospital for an extended time as he is treated and returns to eating regularly.

Authorities say there was no electricity in the family home, and the only furniture they found were four metal chairs in the living room, all facing one another.

There were also padlocks placed on the doors on the inside of the house in such a way "someone on the inside would be confined to the home and unable to leave," according to court records.

Kehinde Omosebi claimed the family was part of a religious group affiliated with Cornerstone Reformation Ministries. Police say they can find no records supporting the claim.

The 49-year-old told police the family had begun fasting July 17 in order to receive a "blessing from God" to move to Atlanta.

According to the criminal complaint, the 15-year-old died Aug. 31, the day Kehinde Omosebi said the fasting was supposed to end. The family reportedly prayed for two days per their religious beliefs before the father reported his son’s death.

The father allegedly told police the family had fasted with the children before but "not for this long."

Officers say they found a handwritten note addressed to county lawyers from the 11-year-old which included the statements, "The hunger is too much. Please help me now so I may eat. I can’t continue in such a life with no food."

The letter referenced it had been five days since he and his family had eaten anything.

Officers had contact with all four family members May 21 when they were putting religious pamphlets on cars in a grocery store parking lot, according to Reedsburg Police Chief Timothy Becker.

Becker says the children appeared in good health at the time.

Samurai kenji #fundie runescape.salmoneus.net

[We no longer live in the middle-ages, where young girls are married off to older men (in some cases, in their 30's) to start having children until they die]

My mothers side of my family does and as i've said we all turned out fine none of us have any special genetic gene that causes us to cope better with the fact that all my female relatives were "victims of pedophiles" and i assure you that Naha city isn't stuck in the dark ages so why if my mom could turn out so well can't the other girl? It's because people like you keep going blah blah blah pedophiles are evil blah blah blah they need to be shizzle. Which i completely and 100% agree with as you might know from my other posts in similar topics truely lusting for a young child and being unable to control your urges is sick and you don't deserve rights in my eyes. However for )hopefully the last time.

THIS IS NOT PEDOPHILIA!

She's bleeding and as i've said is no less secually and developementally capable then the average 16 or 17 year old who we as society have no real problems with letting run off with a 50 year old man. In my eyes him wanting to have a secual relation with her is no worse then him wanting a sexual relation with a more petite 16 year old it's just a matter of how society chooses to better inform the 16 year old because some old man picked a number out of a hat and said that people over that age can do more then people below it. Theres no mistaking that the 12 year old girls probably making a big mistake but someone of 20 years of age isn't a saintly all-knowing model of wisdom and maturity. They can't really tell whether the 12 year old girls into it or not. All you Anti-pedo's in this topic are acting like he's this fat creepy psychotic 40 year old. Tell me would this be a big deal if the male was 16? having been both 16 and 20 i can honestly say i'm not all that different. When your going through (or just getting over) puberty numbers and quantitative figures don't really make much of a difference.

As for your preference of the law over nature, i can do nothing but respect your opinion theres no way to debate your preference you have your opinion i have mine. I see nothing wrong with this the only difference i see between 20 and 12 is one different digit and a different numerical order i see her as a woman by physical standards you obviously don't agree.

[just because she's menstruating doesn't mean her frontal lobe has developed enough to make fully rational decisions. They are physiologically/cognitively less mature than people older than them. They probably still think as a child. It's not until later teenaged years that the cognitive rationality associated with being mature is developed.]

I disagree i think that by 12 they have the cognitive ability to make these types of decisions however i'm not a doctor and have only taken one university psychology course which had no relation to children. However being 20 myself i can say without much need of proof that i also have yet to fully develope mentally and therefore i'm just as justified in making mistakes as she is. Who really gets to judge who's developed enough to do what they want? Yes there are certain obvious boundaries and had this girl been 10 and the man been in his 30's or older i'de have the same opinion as TheBlackSuperman or John but 12 and 20 just don't seem far apart enough (both developmentally and numerically) to be considered sick or wrong.

[Opinion? if it was just my opinion, mr.20 year old pedo wouldn't be behind bars now would he, its not just "MY" opinion.]

Your opinion + the opinion of a bunch of grumpy old farts who have more influence on people then they should. I'll bring this up again TheBlackSuperman my mother was 13 when she gave birth to me and my dad was in his mid to late 20's i CHALLENGE AND DARE YOU to explain why she and her mother and her mother and her mother were all capable of having a succussful relationship with these "Hunters" and now live pretty fufilling lives without any real complaints about there childhood and why this girl can't. Seriously you seem like the type to give it a shot go for it.

[No, it is wrong for an adult to take advantage of a child, and have sex with that child." We as a society have a duty to our children, and to keep them from making such mistakes.]

Except what authority do you have to judge it as a mistake? I'll invite you to take up my challenge aswell.

My mother was brought up in a very American culture and had a child with a very American man. He may or may not have just been interested in getting some fresh good kitty! or he may have legitimately loved and cared for my mom none the less he eventually left her and she was forced to care for yours truly all by herself she was left a single mom to a "Pedophile" but within a couple years she got over it moved to the states got a university degree and is now living happily and even ocassionally meets with that pedophilic monster to have a cup of coffee with him when she visits Los Angeles. Why are these 2 so different? infact the Man in this article is a bit younger then my dad is and is certainly much less mentally developed and my mom was no further ahead developmentally then any other girl her age. Yes 8 times out of 10 things go bad but that means 2 times out of 10 they go right it's a gamble and so long as they know the odds and have some guidance i feel a girl of 12 years of age has the right to decide whether she wants to have a sexual relationship with this man.

[I don't know how you managed to conjure the "bright side" out of that article, long story short, he took advantage of her, she had a kid, he had enough then ditched her most likely moving on to greener pastures, she grew up hardened her skin and made the best out of a bad situation, forgave him and that's about the jist of it.]

I guess theres not a "bright side" to the situation however it turned out no worse then any other guy ditches baby momma story its unfortunate but nothing sick or wrong occured and she was never scarred by the fact that she had sex with an older man. Also why do you assume he took advantage of her it's not often but as i think i forgot to mention he did indeed for a while legitimately love and care for her without any unnatural sexual urges they had sex after having atleast a bit of a normal relationship. Whos to say this 20 year old was going straight for the sex yes he probably was but that doesn't mean the next 20 year old to like a 12 year old girl is going to be the same. I'm not denying that the man in the article was quite possibly a creep if i knew him i certainly wouldn't want anything to do with him but i still stand by my opinion that a 12 year old and a 20 year old wanting to have a relationship isn't that terrible and isn't pedophilia and therefore shouldn't really be a crime (or atleast not a severe one)

Chateau Heartiste #sexist heartiste.wordpress.com

Dating Market Value Test For Men

Here is a system for determining your dating market value if you are a man. Dating market value is a measurement of how you stack up against other men in the competition for attracting female interest. Be honest with yourself taking this survey. It will give you a fairly accurate assessment of the quality and number of women you are capable of attracting for a sexual relationship. Girls, you may take this quiz for your boyfriends to see if you are slumming it or about to be cheated on.

1. How old are you?

under 25 years old: 0 points
26-34 years old: +1 point
35-45 years old: 0 points
45+ years old: -1 point

2. How tall are you?

under 5’9?: -1 point
5’9? to 5’11”: 0 points
6' to 6’4?: +1 point
over 6’4?: 0 points

3. What is your BMI?

(Go here to calculate your BMI. I know BMI doesn’t account for very muscular physiques, but since most men are not Lee Haney, it is adequate for this survey’s purposes.)

under 20.0: -1 point
20.0 to 24.0: +1 point
24.1 to 27.0: 0 points
over 27.0: -1 point

4. How much do you bench press?

60% or less of your body weight: -1 point
61% to 80% of your body weight: 0 points
81% to 170% of your body weight: +1 point
over 170% of your body weight: 0 points

5. What does your hairline look like?

Full head of hair if you are over 35: +1 point
Full head of hair if you are under 35: 0 points
Receding hairline if you are over 35: 0 points
Receding hairline if you are under 35: -1 point
Bald (age irrelevant): -1 point
Bald but you are dark-skinned: 0 points

6. How much money do you make?

under $40K and you are out of college: -1 point
$40K to $70K out of college and under 40 years old: 0 points
over $70K out of college and under 40 years old: +1 point
under $40K and you are college age or younger: 0 points
$40K to $55K and over 40 years old: -1 point
$55K to $90K and over 40 years old: 0 points
over $90K and 40 to 55 years old: +1 point
over $200K (age irrelevant): +1 point

7. Do you have a car?

No (under 21yo): 0 points
No (over 21yo): -1 point
Yes (under 21yo): +1 point
Yes (over 21yo): 0 points
No, but you have a motorcycle (age irrelevant): +1 point

8. Are you good-looking?

(Self-assessment is somewhat unreliable, so if you are uncertain of your looks post your pic on hotornot and wait a week for your score. Or get opinions from unbiased and blunt friends. Hashing out the biometric details of what makes a male face attractive would require another lengthy post, so for now these two methods are acceptable substitutes.)

On a 1 – 10 scale:

0 – 4: -1 point
5 – 7: 0 points
8 – 10: +1 point

9. Have you ever played a leading role in a team sport?

No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point

10. What is your occupation?

(Since I won’t list every single high status job in the Department of Labor’s Occupational Handbook, you’ll have to make a judgment call on your own job. It’s a safe assumption that most people know a high status job when they see it.)

High status (doctor, lawyer, stockbroker, executive, professor, business owner, successful artist or musician or writer, professional athlete, etc.): +1 point
Neutral status (engineer, programmer, accountant, salesman, mid level manager, scientist, military officer, well-paid tradesman, etc.): 0 points
Low status (low paid blue collar, admin, construction, janitor, struggling web designer, help desk, etc.): -1 point

11. How many friends do you have?

0 to 3: -1 point
4 to 20: 0 points
over 20: +1 point

12. How many friends have you met through the internet that you have never seen in person?

0 to 2: 0 points
over 2: -1 point

13. When was the last time you went to a house party?

Within the past month: +1 point
Between one month and one year ago: 0 points
Over one year ago: -1 point

14. Have people besides your family called you funny?

None: -1 point
A few have: 0 points
Nearly everyone who knows me: +1 point

15. What is your IQ?

Under 85: -1 point
85 to 110: 0 points
110 to 130: +1 point
130 to 145: 0 points
over 145: -1 point

16. At a party, which happens first – you approach someone or someone approaches you?

I approach someone first almost every time: +1 point
I occasionally approach first: 0 points
Someone normally approaches me first: -1 point

17. Have you ever been in a serious fight where real punches were thrown and you felt like you wanted to kill your opponent(s)?

No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
Yes, with a girl: -1 point

18. Have you ever been arrested?

No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
Yes, for child pornography or public exposure: -1 point

****

It’s best to answer the following four questions based on your past experience with similar scenarios. Who we really are is not what we wish we were but what we have always been.

19. You are on a second date with a girl. You go to kiss her. She turns her cheek to you and says “Slow down, I’m not that kind of girl.” You reply:

(A) “Sorry.”
(B) “Yeah, well, no prob.”
(C) “This could be trouble ’cause I’m that kind of guy.” *smirk*

If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.

20. You’re chatting up a pretty girl you just met in a bar. After a few minutes she asks you to buy her a drink. You reply:

(A) “Sure.”
(B) “I’m not an ATM.”
(C) “No, but you can buy me one.”

If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.

21. You’ve just met a cute girl in a club and have been talking with her for five minutes when she abruptly changes the topic to a raunchy conversation about her multiorgasmic ability. You respond with:

(A) a huge grin and an eager “Damn! That is HOT!”
(B) a look of mild disdain.
(C) a raised eyebrow while saying “Hey, thanks for the medical report.”

If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.

22. The pickup has been going well. Later in the night she leans in and begins making out with you passionately. You feel like a king and your jeans suddenly feel much tighter. Do you:

(A) immediately grope her boob in return.
(B) continue making out with her for as long as she wishes.
(C) kiss for a little bit then push her gently away and look distracted for a second.

If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.

And finally, the critical thinking portion of the quiz. The following questions are based on the progression of a single pickup attempt.

23. You go to a bar. Twenty feet away are a pretty girl, a fat girl, and an average guy talking amongst themselves. The pretty girl briefly eye flirts with you. In reponse, you:

(A) eye flirt back and forth a few times before approaching 20 minutes later.
(B) immediately approach in a direct fashion maintaining strong eye contact with your target.
(C) immediately approach but from an indirect angle, looking around the room distractedly on the way over to your target as if you might see an even prettier girl somewhere else, and finally delivering your opener from over your shoulder.

(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point

24. Who do you address first?

(A) the pretty girl.
(B) the fat girl.
(C) everyone.

(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point

25. After getting the whole group engaged in conversation and having a good time, your target blurts out “Hey nice pink shirt! Are you gay?” You:

(A) say “No, I’m not gay!”
(B) ignore her.
(C) say “OK, who brought their little sister to the bar!”

(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point

26. In the middle of the conversation you have to pee. You say:

(A) “I have to go to the bathroom. I’ll be right back.”
(B) “Excuse me.”
(C) nothing. Just go.

(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point

27. You’ve managed to get her outside your front door. There is obvious sexual tension. You want to close this deal. You say:

(A) “So, um, ah, see you around.”
(B) “Why don’t you come inside?”
(C) “I’m thirsty. Are you thirsty? Let’s go inside and taste DC’s finest tap water. But you can only stay for a minute, I have to get up early.”

(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point

****

SCORES

There are 26 points to earn or lose based on the questions asked. The scoring breaks down as follows:

-26: Why are you still alive?
-25 to -20: You’re an omega. Celibacy has its charms.
-19 to -15: You actively repulse girls. Your kind will usher forth the sexbot revolution.
-14 to -10: You’re always getted foisted onto the warpigs.
-9 to 0: Lesser beta. You don’t immediately disgust girls; they just don’t notice you. With much painful effort you can redeem yourself.
1 to 9: Classic beta. You catch some girls’ eyes, usually the ones you don’t want. Try not to make fatty fucking a lifestyle.
10 to 14: A few attractive girls in the bar will be intrigued by your presence. But you need game to close the deal.
15 to 19: Congrats, you have crossed the alpha Rubicon. A lot of cute girls will be pleased when you hit on them. But you can still fuck up by being yourself.
20 to 25: You’re a natural. Many hot girls check you out and forgive your occasional pickup blunders. You always have a look of sexual satisfaction on your face.
26: Super Alpha. Booty sticks to you like bird shit on car roofs.

(Submitter's note: Compare and contrast Dating Market Value Test For Women)

The Return of Eye Beams!

Pew! Pew! Pew!

Cassiterides #fundie #crackpot evolutionfairytale.com

In a thread regarding astrophysics, distance and star light

Here is a question you.

So a light year = the distance light travels in a year.

You mentioned the figure 11 million light years away.

So my question is how are we observing this light 11 million light years away now?

I'm not 11 million years old, i'm 20.

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Later on he goes on to say...

If it takes 11 million years to travel to earth, how can i see it now? I'm only 20.

If it takes 11 million years to travel to earth then the viewer would need to be 11 million years old.

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And it continues with...

I don't believe light travels at all, i've looked at various models and worked on many but none of it works. The basics of visual perception is often overlooked. When we look at something what is actually going on? The emission theory states that the light emits (not a travelling speed) from our own eyes not from the object we look at. The intromission theory states the opposite.

The emission theory is the most common sense, so i don't believe there is any speed of light. The 'Starlight Problem' has never been a problem for me and the YEC model. The earliest Church Fathers (2nd-4th century AD) who believed in emmision theory also had no problem with starlight and a young universe.

Kings Wiki #sexist en.kingswiki.com

The ages of women and their characteristics and experiences at these ages are as follows.

Age 18

According to Heartiste, "This is the age — from teenager to mid-20s — when a woman is in her nubile prime. Physically and emotionally she is at her horniest, her most feminine, and, not coincidentally, her most discriminating. She’s on the prowl for an alpha male, and specifically for a charming jerkboy whose devil-may-care attitude speaks so forcefully to her deep desire to submit to a top tier man with limitless lover options."

He also notes, "Hard to believe, but it is often easier to bed a very young woman than an older woman, if you are an older man. This is because 20-40% of women are specifically attracted to older men. It is hard-wired in them, and this hard-wiring can be reinforced by poor family upbringing resulting from divorce of parents or absentee fathers. Single moms are the greatest source of future generations of slutty daughters the world has ever known. . . . You can bang an 18-21 year old surprisingly quickly because they have little ASD (anti-slut defense). This is because they do not have the long history of sluttiness common to older women which needs to be rationalized away by posturing as a paragon of chaste virtue. A young woman simply won’t perceive sex with you as an admission of sluttiness. She is innocent to herself as well as to you."[1]

Roosh notes, "She is child-like and mostly intolerable. Her speech sounds like another language. She will only have sex when completely trashed, and has few redeeming qualities beyond her body. Says a lot of things that make you think you’re wasting your time. Best game to use: jealousy."[2]

Age 21

Hank Moody notes that a girl 21-25 "appreciates that I'm not writing her odes about my undying love and affection, and seem to want to keep things casual. They're getting hit up at every angle, and they're confused about whether they want to fuck the bartender or the lawyer. Then they realize they can do both with little ramification. I like being seen around town with them. Horrible conversationalists, and I have to dumb down my text messaging. Most of their texts are 'lol ur funny..' Society has told these girls that they can be total whores with no consequences, and eventually some good looking rich guy will scoop them up."[3]

Age 22

The four-year carnival called college is coming to a close. During this time, she’s enjoyed the absolute ride of her life: non-stop parties (as a true Carousel rider), trips, and gorging herself on the buffet of cock available to an American college girl—without the uncomfortable social stigmas of generations past. At a time where previous generations of women were getting nervous if they hadn’t snared a husband, today’s girl is “just getting started.” At this age, today’s girl is irretrievably drunk on her power. Any cautionary advice will be greeted with hubristic ridicule and disbelief.

Age 23

Roissy notes, "The 23-27 year old feels she is at her attractiveness peak, despite her peak having passed a few years earlier. This is because she is surrounded by many more high status men than she was while in college (or working at the Piggly Wiggly) who are expressing sexual interest in her. This social dynamic will work to inflate her ego beyond the bounds of her actual beauty ranking."[1]

Age 25

The first alerts—which go unheeded—that this ride isn’t forever start to rear their heads. The combination of a few harsh pump-and-dumps, and the knowledge that some of her smarter friends are getting hitched, start to impart a hard edge on her personality. Still, with ample beauty left over, most girls will continue to draw from the bank account with impunity. Heartiste writes, "During this age window — late 20s to late 30s — a woman is powerfully aware of the beginning of decline in her number one asset: her beauty. Physically, she is noticing small changes in herself — the first nascent signs of decay — that, assessed from a distance relative to womanhood as a whole aren’t so horrifying, but compared to what she was herself just a few years earlier will split her id wide open. Urgency compels her (if she’s psychologically healthy) to escape the single lady lookatme scene and start seriously buckling down to achieve the goal of snagging a man who will commit to her and, hopefully, help her become part of a family. Naturally, this pressure to settle limits her options and the longer she waits, the more her “Mr. Right” will deviate from the Mr. Right of her teenage dreams."

According to Roosh, "After you wear the t-shirt a couple of times, the fabric loses elasticity. You no longer get excited when wearing it because people have already seen you in it. Your eye starts to wander on new t-shirts (25-29 years old)." Also, according to Roosh's T-shirt analogy, "When you leave the loaf out, it gets a little hard. You have to heat it up with a toaster first, but it still won’t taste fresh. (25-29 years old)"

Roosh also writes, "single women over 25 are emotionally damaged in some way, are alpha widowed, or are professional daters who are incapable of making the proper relationship sacrifices."[4]

Age 26

Hank Moody notes that a girl 26-30 is "Still hot enough to be seen around town with, but they start throwing serious girlfriend vibes - particularly public displays of affection. Sex is practically thrown at you after a few months of dating. You're that good looking rich guy who is going to scoop them up. They know the biological clock is ticking fast, and their family is pushing them to 'settle down.'"

Age 27

Rollo notes, "By the age of 27 women’s SMV decline has begun in earnest. That isn’t to say that women can’t remain stunningly attractive and vivacious in their post-peak years, but comparative to the next crop of 22-23 year olds, the decline progressively becomes more evident. Competition for hypergamously suitable mates becomes more intense with each passing year. The age’s between 27 and 30 are subliminally the most stressful for women as the realization sinks in that they must trade their ‘party years’ short term mating protocol for a long term provisioning strategy."[5]

Age 28

Roissy notes, "28-30 year olds are a mixed bunch. Some are riding a wave of career and social success that has nowhere to go but down, and their bloated egos reflect that. Others, less conventionally successful, are emotionally frazzled by the disappearing act of their heady youth and by the intractability of their singledom. You will find some of the cuntiest, and sweetest, girls in this age range."[1]

Age 29

After repeated pressings of the snooze button, it starts getting harder to ignore the clangor of the alarm clock. Having gotten her fill on the party lifestyle—and starting to feel, if not fully understand, the diminished effectiveness of her fading looks—she declares herself “ready to settle down.” Regrettably, the combination of having very little beauty-capital remaining and impossibly high standards—the product of years of enjoying the high life at the expense of her future solvency—will conspire to keep her single.

Age 30

According to Roosh, "If you leave the bread out for too long, mold develops. You can cut away the mold, toast the bread, and still be able to eat it, but you won’t enjoy it. You’d have to be starving. (30-34 years old)"

Hank Moody notes that a girl 30-36 "Is either divorced or has never been married for a reason. Anthropomorphizes their dog or cat. Struggles with depression issues. Sex is thrown at you. They know that the good looking rich guy is never going to come, and you're simply here for sex and conversation. At this point they would settle for almost any beta willing to commit and risk a geriatric pregnancy."

Heartiste notes that "a man marrying an over-30 woman is investing everything he has in a rapidly depreciating pleasure provider that has already lost a lot of its aesthetic value."[6]

The over-30 woman has likely amassed an impressive knob count. When you marry a 30+ woman, you’re marrying her 30+ cockas. Hope you like getting phantom cucked! As magically prehensile as your penis may be, she’ll never look up to it in cross-eyed awe like she did with her first cock when she was younger, hotter, tighter, and inexperienced.

The over-30 woman is bitter from a wasted prime spent on failed relationships she hoped would lead to marriage. Now that you’re marrying her, she should be grateful, but she's not. . . . .

There’s another, subtle, reason to refuse the wedded diss of marrying the over-30 woman. Now, naturally, if you marry an under-30 woman, the day will come, ostensibly, that she’ll be your over-30 wife. But you’ll have something that chagrined men who married women on the cusp of sagging cups don’t have: Years of very fond, very monopolized, very supple memories. If you maritally snag a 21-year-old minx and occupy her sugar walls for the next ten years, the spermatomically bonded cervix-splattered glue of all those splendid tumbles of passion accrue into something larger than the sum of your individuated speckles. All that young woman heat, heat which will never be replicated with the older version of your wife, captures into limbic amber a network of interlocked, superconductive emotions with the power to sustain lovingrapture a good ways past the poignantly brief era of peak wife ripeness, onward into the elevator muzak era of bland marital inertia (50 years, plus or minus).

You marry an over-30 woman and you’re left grasping at a grease truck menu of curdled, pear-shaped memories and wrinkled recollections for sustenance.

According to trav777, "a woman at 31 is looking for a marriage and kid as a BUCKET LIST ITEM. She is not looking for a husband or a partner or obligations. If she were into that more than herself, she’d have landed a decent man 10 years prior."

Relampago Furioso notes that at 30, the thousand cock stare often develops.[7]

Age 31

Roissy notes:[1]

In some ways, women in the 31-34 age range are the toughest broads to game. (By “toughest”, it is meant “most time consuming”.) It’s counterintuitive, yes, but there are factors at work besides her declining beauty which mitigate against the easy, quick lay. For one, it is obviously harder to meet single 31-34 year old women than it is to meet single younger women. Marriage is still a pussy-limiting force to contend with for the inveterate womanizer, but Chateau apprentices are hard at work battling the scourge of mating market disturbances caused by the grinding and churning of the marriage machine.

But the bigger reason 31-34 year olds are harder to game than any other age group of women has to do with the wicked nexus of entitlement and self-preservation that occurs at this age in women. When you combine a disproportionate sense of entitlement fueled by years of feminism, steady paychecks and promotions, and cheerleading gay boyfriends with suspicions of every man’s motives and a terrible anxiety of being used for a sexual fling sans marriage proposal, you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling.

Age 32

The magical years are officially gone, and the long descent to complete invisibility to the opposite sex is well underway. Thanks to social programming (e.g., Sex in the City and the myth that “a woman’s sexual prime is in her 30s”), she can rationalize that her “Mr. Right” will arrive any minute. However, she’s likely to become little more than a second- or third-stringer in a player’s long roster of options. A few of these women will get bailed out by blue-pill betas, who still buy into the marriage trap, and don’t realize (or care) they’re buying a used car with the odometer rolled back. But this marriage is almost certainly doomed to divorce-failure, since nothing can ever compete with her 15-year prime-time binge. She will be nagged by dissatisfaction the moment her last party–her wedding–ends.

She enjoyed the Sweet 15, but she’ll enjoy little more.

GBFM writes that with 32-year-olds, it's necessary to get a "leaf-blower to get all the dust off".

Age 35

According to Roosh's T-shirt analogy, "Eventually, holes develop in the fabric. It has been used too many times. Now it is only good to clean the toilet bowl before finally being placed in the trash. (35 and up)." Also, according to his bread analogy, "If you leave it for even longer, mold takes over and completely destroys the bread. There is no way to excise the toxic portions. You must throw it away before the mold makes you sick. (35 and up)" Relampago writes:[8]

Women “expire” at age 35 for numerous reasons. Their fertility declines sharply at this age. Their beauty declines, no matter how much makeup they cake on. If not already married to her, from this moment forward she offers nothing to a partner but a well-used piece of anatomy and a manipulative, even predatory disposition towards men and their finances.

The expiration date may fluctuate around age 35 for a couple of reasons, i.e. good genetics or a sweet personality (usually being faked) but this age is a good baseline for the “expiration date” for females.

Age 40

Heartiste writes, "The final romantic life cycle for women (ages 40-death), this stage is the longest and, sadly from the perspective of one who adores women when they are at their most womanish, the dreariest, though it does offer as consolation a tranquilizing serenity that can safely usher a woman through her middle years without resort to painkillers. In this cycle, a woman still harbors those tingles for the alpha jerk, but they are sufficiently suppressed by biomechanic winding-down and stone cold circumstance — her wilted bloom — to allow the flourishing of her other female needs. Those other needs center around her desire to a) not be abandoned to a cold cruel sexual market and b) enjoy at least facsimiles of reciprocal love so that she does not feel abandoned within her relationship."

gothicmuffin #fundie booktalk.org

I feel very differently then the rest of you. At first I was taken back by Lolita's situtation. I felt very bad for her. But I started thinking, she is a 12 year old, having sex with a middle aged man. But What if she was having sex with a 15 year old, or 14 year old. She had willingly had sex before. Even though she will see this as a mistake when she is older, it is still hers to make, and is that mistake any different then if a 15 year old has sex with an 18 year old or an 18 year old with any older person? Every person matures at a different pace, no means no, but Lolita didnt say no. There is no doubt it was a mistake for her to have sex with this man, I dont believe it was real love, but the trama done could be just as damaging if she was older. I view Lolita as a beautiful story, at first, I did feel bad. But now I dont, it changed my views. I use to believe an 18 year old and 15 year old was disgusting, but this book opened my mind to the possibility that just because our culture says its wrong, doesnt mean it is.

Perhaps I am letting myself fall victim to his convincing ways. Or maybe what I see now is my actual opinion on the matter, there is no doubt in my mind that HH wasnt a man I wanted my young daughter around, but to me making it illegal for a person to choose who they have sex with is wrong as long as it consentual.

I guess I dont see why Its okay for a adolescent to have sex with another adolescent but not an adult. I dont think it would hurt less either way when they realize it was a mistake


I mean, maybe12-13 is a little young but when I was that age I knew girls who were having sex with men around 17, and thats almost an adult. Maturity is a odd thing, some 30 year olds seem to be less mature then some 17 year olds. And some 12 year olds seem to be more mature then some 17 year olds. Everyone is different. Like I said before No means no. But its hard to me to decide where the age limit is for a child to consent to sex. technically they can at any age as long as its with someone around the same age. My mother was 14 when she got pregnate with me and my dad was 19. technically thats illegal, but they grew up and got married. And as far as I know she doesnt feel like he used her.

Edmund_Kemper #wingnut #transphobia #sexist incels.co

(More from this thread bashing FSTDT)

KeithInc

this retard thinks he can handle being called a bigot and therefore he supports trannies using the women's room because it's the right thing to do. i'm sure if this fag lived 10 years ago, he would've thought this tranny bathroom thing is insane. he thinks it isn't difficult being called a bigot. well, i dare him to condemn the tranny bathroom thing on twitter, and he will be the victim of a viral call-out culture tweet and be harassed by tons of leftists on there, while if he defends it, he'll be praised on there and maybe only a few right-wingers will attempt to hassle him. he should try condemning the tranny bathroom thing on a viral video and he could get doxxed and cyberbullied to death. also being called by a nigger lover by a few people isn't as bad because most people won't hate you for respecting black people. many people WILL hate you if you oppose this trans bathroom shit. when you're taught by the norm that you're an evil monster if you oppose certain "rights", you're gonna support these "rights" out of fear. i know for a fact he'd oppose this trans bathroom thing 10 years ago. and he claims to have a wife. jfl i bet he doesn't. he's probably just some dumb 20 year old pretending to be in his 30s

Skida

this fag says "iT's NoNe oF yOuR BuSiNeSs wHaT BaThRoOm tHeY uSe" yes it is. the reason why trannies with cocks using the women's room or trannies with vaginas using the men's room is controversial is NOT because people are "bigots" it's because we seperate mens room and womens room because of difference in genitals NOT difference in gender/chromosomes. a person with a penis and a person with a vagina sharing the same bathroom is bad because of privacy issues, safety issues, etc. an adult with a penis shouldn't use the same bathroom with a 11 year old girl with a vagina all by herself. what's next? make all bathrooms shared by men and women and make all locker rooms, etc shared by men and women? it is our business because if a man walks into the women's room, women will feel uncomfortable. i'm sure many will feel uncomfortable if a trans woman walked in (but many women wouldn't admit that).

Timjer

"we don't care about you incels, sweety" then why do you post about us? and this faggot thinks IT means pennywise jfl.

(later post)
Jfl at this post-wall roastie

"Swede? Is he talking about me?

Well, I’ve said a lot of things here, so I might have commented on him as well. I doubt that I’m “bluepilled” though, and I’m clearly not a fag. I’m more of a fag-hag…

I accept homosexuals and transgender people because they exist, and are not harmful to anyone else. I’d never write like that with every other letter a vowel, I’d get a cramp in my 50-year-old fingers.

As I call myself SWEDE, whatever AMERICANS approve of or not is clearly not my business. Of course, I care, and I can protest, but I can’t vote on it.

I probably said I WANTED to resist Kim Jong-un, but I don’t know if I would dare. I don’t want to end up like Sophie Scholl in the Weiße Rose.

Ancient Greece didn’t just have teen boys fucking adult men, it had long-term relationships between men of the same age in the army, and in other parts of society.

Ordinary men in history have very seldom married “jb” (jailbait, I guess) girls, as ordinary men needed a house-keeper; someone to organize the home and delegate to the servants what to do. A 12-14-year-old girl can’t do that! As second or third wife; yes, perhaps. Royalty, who needed heirs rather than life-partners, sure, but they were often BOTH small children when they were betrothed to each other.

I KNOW teens, I know that the brain is not fully mature until somewhere around 25 to 30. If anything, people grow up faster now, with better nutrition. Children are ALLOWED to stay children longer now, than before 1900, but that doesn’t mean they were ready and able for it then. After all, it took around a million years to reach the first billion people, but it took only two centuries, after that, to get to 7,7 billion people."

This foid claims to be 50 years old LOL. what 50 year old woman posts on a forum making fun of other people? she's probably saying that to appear "mature" and "wise". she's probably 20. and then she says she accepts lgbt people because they deserve respect, when she probably would've thought of them as "freaks" back in the 50s. and then she says it was rare for jb foids to marry in history when that's BS. if you look up marriage in ancient greece, girls DID marry 14/15 to men twice their age. just because homosexuality/pederasty existed back then doesn't mean men marrying jb foids never happened. also, sex between 2 males back then doesn't mean men married each other back in ancient greece. in ancient egypt, girls usually married at age 12-15 and boys married at usually 15-20. in ancient israel, girls typically married at age 12-13. in the early meiji period, women in japan usually married at 16. in 1371, most 16 year old girls were married and many 15 year olds were too. in the early 1900s, the average age for indian girls married was 13 and it was 20 for boys. before the industrial revolution, in regions like india, china and east europe, many teen girls married to older men.

and then swedes says "jB fOiDs CaN't hAnDLe bEiNg wiVeS". teenagers today maybe that's the case but teens back then grew up a lot faster. this teen brain thing is a MYTH. i've read about how the teen brain is NOT the cause of immature/reckless behavior and that the behavior causes the immature brain and that teens actually act immature because we infantilize them and treat them like kids. laws restrict teens' adult rights didn't appear until the 20th/21st centuries. teens used to be much more mature back in the day.

check out these urls about the teen brain myth: https://drrobertepstein.com/pdf/Epstein-THE_MYTH_OF_THE_TEEN_BRAIN-Scientific_American_Mind-4-07.pdf The Danger of Treating Teens Like Children Are the Brains of Reckless Teens More Mature Than Those of Their Prudent Peers?

now anyways, she once said that people in the 50s were more "live and let live" than i think. ok go back to the 50s and date a black person in public. go ahead. see how it ends.

here's the link: 3$QD8PZ6JVM46

John Ramirez #fundie search.stillsmallvoicetriage.org

John Ramirez, Escape from Hell Ex-Satanist

I grew up in a neighborhood that, first of all, the first killing that I experienced was feet away from me when I went to go in and get a gallon of milk. Was only 10 feet away from me, they shot a guy, like, 7 times. They shot him 7 times, it was a young boy. I've seen killings after killings after killings. In order to survive in the streets of the South Bronx you had to be a killer, you have to be a murderer, you have to smart, you have to be slick. On my father's side, it was all witches and warlocks. We lived on witchcraft, we had a contract right with the devil himself. I remember when I was younger, 8 or 9 years old, I seen him going through the room to worship the devil. I could see the presence of the devil come into that room. And my father was worshipping, speak in demonic tongues and worship and put flowers and put candles and put water out. 7:00 at night until 5:00 in the morning. I was already going to demonic church, I was going to witchcraft church. I was being trained to be a warlock, I was being trained with witches in the religion for 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. It was training me to know how to speak to principalities, spirits in the ground, the devil himself. You couldn't speak to the devil right away, you had to earn your right to speak to the devil.

In the first mass killing that they did in my neighborhood was at this house right here. The husband stabbed a lady 52 times and cut her ears off - here. And then me, my brothers would hang out with their daughter and we came to the house to walk them back home, to go hang out with the daughters right here and the daughters found their mother cut up to pieces here, in this house.

I was in a schoolyard playing with some friends in a schoolyard. A pastor came and they had this band came in, they were singing songs and people started to gather in the schoolyard. It was an amazing atmosphere, you know. Amazing joy in the schoolyard. I came from a broken home. This pastor's up on stage and he's talking about some Bible story and some Bible book and he's talking about how God loves everybody, ya know, this other stuff. And for the first time I'm getting kind of captivated. "Wow, maybe God does love me. Maybe God does want me. Maybe God wants my family. Maybe God wants to touch me and my family. Maybe He wants to change my family around." I said, "Wow, I can get some of that, I can get some of that. 'Cause He's coming my way." and for the first time ever I felt an incredible love that was indescribable. There's pastors coming off the stage, praying for people, touching people. So I said, "Now, it's my turn. Now he's gonna touch me." Ya know? Now Jesus is gonna accept me, Jesus is gonna show me what love is about. And this pastor passed me by. Never touched me, never laid his hands on me. He went down the line, and when he came up to me, he passed me by, he touched the other person. And I said, "Jesus don't love me, either. My dad don't love me, Jesus don't love me." I come from a broken home. Jesus - he likes the fact that my mother gets beat up. He likes the fact that I go to bed hungry. He like the fact that, you know, there's no heat in my apartment. he likes the fact that when we go to school, we're rejects, we're misfits in school.

So, this Jesus guy - he's just like my father. He's no different. He's just like my dad.

So, I went home, broken. I went home sad. I remember a week later, a couple of weeks later - two weeks later, I went to the schoolyard, hanging out, playing with a friend of mine's. I heard something fell and hit the ground. It was a voodoo necklace. So, I took the voodoo necklace - it had many colors - I took it, I put it on and the necklace was my first contract with the devil.

We went to a Tarot card reading, and when I went to a Tarot card reading, I was a little boy, I was 10 years old - we went in. The lady doing the Tarot card reading, called the witch lady, doing the Tarot card reading she was fascinated - had her eyes fixed on me. And she said, "This boy's got, this boy - we want him. We want him, we want him. The ___ which is Santeria want him. Spiritualism___ is Spanish, Santeria they call it worship of the saints, but it's not worship of the saints, it's worship of demons. We want him. And if you don't give him to us, he's going to lose his eyesight in 30 days." So, my mother was so desperate as a mother, my mother sold her furniture. My mother sold her bedroom set to get $250 to do my first ceremony, because this lady put so much fear in us, so much fear in my mother that my mother had to sleep on the floor, because there was no bedroom for her to sleep on, because she didn't want me to lose my eyesight.

So, they initiated me to the dark side. I was 8 to 10 years old. Their first love, the first contact I had, as a 10 year old boy, the devil showed up and took the offering of giving my life to him. And they put five beads around my neck. The five worst demons of principalities that are under Satan. They put them right around my neck, which is Santeria. They put them right around my neck and they said, "These are your spiritual guides. These are going to be your guardian angels, and they are going to take care of your life from now on."

(driving downtown) This is the building, this corner building here? Used to be almost abandoned, this building here - it's in the book. It used to be so broken down, my brother used to get the water from the pump - the pump (fire hydrant) right there. The apartment was all empty, all the apartments were abandoned, Only me and my family lived here. My whole childhood was stolen, my whole childhood was worshipping the devil, going to demon church. I would go to demon church from 7:00 in the evening to 5:00 in the morning, being trained by witches and warlocks, powers, principals, rites - who owned this region, who's in this region, who's running this principality, what principality name is this? I had...how to channel powers. By the age of 13 years old I was astro-projecting, my body - I would leave my body home and go to regions, in through the spirit and curse regions, curse a neighborhood, put the spirit of prostitution, the spirit of drugs onto the neighborhood. Homosexuality spirits here, demonic spirits here, a spirit of murder, spirit of suicide. I knew how to channel all these spirits into a neighborhood. At the age of 15, 16 years old, I was going into hospitals and putting death and ICU, death in one room so this person could die, because I wanted to be promoted with the devil. To move up the ranks, to be the biggest devil worshipper in New York City. The devil became my daddy. He replaced my dad, because I prayed - I said, "You kill my dad..." At the age of 33 years old my dad got shot in a nightclub, in the face, a woman that wasn't even his, when he had a good woman home - the devil took him out. The devil said, "I replaced the old to keep the new." And the devil became my daddy.

There was a club here, and my father died there. 33 years old. And we lived over there. And then, when I was 11 years old little boy, there was a store right here on the corner and a guy got shot in the street right there, right there - on the little corner here? Guy got killed there when I went to get the gallon of milk.

And I moved up the ranks, through devil worshipping, I moved up the ranks - I moved up through principalities and demons to the point that I was able to just sit with the devil like I'm sitting with you today. And the devil would manifest himself in human form, his presence would come into the room. And I would speak to the devil all night long. He would give me assignments. I would go to five clubs, five lounges a night, to look for people to recruit for the dark side. I would tell people their fortune. I would tell people their lifes, tell people the things that they did, things that was going to happen to them. Then they had no clue who I was, they didn't know who I was, I just had the demonic powers. I had a taste for blood. I would kill animals and drink their blood every week. If I didn't have money, didn't had time to buy an animal, I would cut myself and drink my own blood. The ring of the people that I was with, there was this demonic world: doctors, lawyers, principals, judges, police officers - they were all into witchcraft. Even singers today that are very well known. I would move principalities on that region to control demons on the ground operate to cut down the church, to cut down the growth of the church. To cut down the opportunity for people to get saved. I would be drunk, I'd come out of a club, half demon possessed, drunk. I was standing in the middle of the street and say to God, "Come down. You want some of this? You want me to slap you in your face? You want me to spit in your face? You come and mess with me."

I got married on Halloween. I had a demonic wedding on Halloween. I got married on Halloween. All the demons and principalities from different regions of around the work came to my wedding. No human beings came to my wedding, they were afraid to come to my wedding. So, I had a crazy...I sent out invitations, no one showed up. There were no wedding gifts. But demons came to my wedding, they baptized(?) my wedding. So my wife was a witch, I was a witch and then my daughter was born and I was training her to be a witch, too.

I remember the first time that I was going to sacrifice my first human being. The devil was sitting in the passenger side of my car when I parked. He said, "You love me?" I said, "Of course I love you, Dad." He said, "The guy on the rooftop, he's trying to...he's going to try to take you and hurt you and take your money. You'll kill him if you love me." So when I went up there to the rooftop, I lived on the 12th floor, I remember that. When I went up to the rooftop, I remember the part that he was hiding behind. He was hiding behind the stairway. This guy was 6'5", 250 pounds. I was half demon possessed. I felt that the demon went into me, it wasn't me anymore. So I was going to drag him into my apartment and stab him in the neck, 'cause I had a _____pot - it weighed about a hundred pounds plus, plus I had 9 machetes in it, it had knives in it that I ____ the roosters with. But when I went to grab this guy, I wanted to bring him to my apartment, he got off my hands, and just disappeared. He went down the stories - I mean this guy was like an Olympic athlete, he just - woosh - gone, he just disappeared. And I couldn't grab him and kill him. I was very disappointed that I couldn't kill my first human being.

(walking down a street, pointing to the side of a building) People wrote graffiti over it - this is a demon right here. Look at the demon that runs the gates of Hell. This is the one I was telling you about that is in my book on Santeria, right here. This little demon. This is the demon that runs Haiti. The principality over Haiti. The one that's over there is the principality over Islam. Look at this. To trap the people. The Truth. The Truth will set you free. They put that up there so that people can think they're part of this. (the cross.)

What is this place?

This a place where everyone in the park comes here to __? in witchcraft to hurt people, kill people. This is the place. We can go inside. Come on.

If I tell you I was going to kill you in 30 days, you prepare for your funeral, you was going to die in 30 days. I don't care who you were, I don't care who you knew, I don't care what religion you call yourself - you say you were Catholic, you were Christian, you say you were a believer - I was going to kill you. UNLESS you had a real relationship with Jesus Christ.

The lady that lived downstairs, she came up, she told me her husband was cheating. I want you to kill the woman he's cheating with, put a witchcraft spell on her and kill her. How much you charge me?

I said, "Look. Come back, I'm going to speak to the devil, my Daddy, for a time. Come back and I'll let you know in a couple days." The lady came back, the devil told me what to buy, he said to buy a coffin box, buy 21 black candles. Buy an image of the lady, put in the box, you know, to do the witchcraft to kill this lady. So we were going to do her for 21 days, she was going to die. after 21 days we were going to do her funeral. So the lady came to my house, we were going to charge her $10,000 dollars, I told her, to kill the lady. I said "Sure. I tell you what - I know you, you been good to me, everybody house parties...give me $7,000. I give you 30% off. I said, "I'll kill her. Give me - I'll take 30% off the 10, give me $7,000." So, when the lady was going to leave my house, she said, "By the way, the lady's a Christian. The lady's a Christian." I said, "I'll kill her for free." I said, "I don't need the money. I'll kill her for free. I'm going to teach these Christians a lesson they're gonna learn. I'll kill her for free." I told her, I don't want your money -I'll kill her for free.

So I did the voodoo thing, I did the witchcraft thing and 21 days went by and the lady didn't die. A month went by, the lady didn't die. And I was like, wow - what's going on? I mean, my reputation's on the line. So I called the devil, I called the demons that were assigned - I increased the witchcraft. I increased the witchcraft, I doubled the witchcraft on her, so she could die, like, overnight. Nothing was going on, nothing was going on. I was home at night and the devil shows up, the presence of the devil comes into my house. He tell me, "We have to abort the plan on the lady you want to kill." And I said, "Why would we want to abort the plan? My reputation is on the line. I'm a witch, I'm a warlock. If I don't kill the lady, people won't think that I have any powers." The devil say, "You don't understand. The God that she serves said don't - leave her alone. Don't touch her." And I said, "Who's this God?" He said, "The God that she serves."

I was so angry, I said no, give it one more week, but let's kill her. He said, "No. The God that she serves said leave her alone." From the witchcraft that I did on the lady, she should have been dead in less than 21 days.

(In a store)This is Jezebel. This is Jezebel in their religion. This is how it works. See these statues here, they don't mean nothing, but it's the demon behind it. So in order for me to identify with this, this has to be created, because i can't identify to a spirit. I can't identify to the spirit, we have nothing in common. I'm humanity, a spirit is immortality. A spirit is a spirit demon. I can't relate to it, so in order for me to relate to it, you have to put this guy in the middle, so I can relate to it, because he's human form. He looks like a human being. There's a story behind this guy, so you and I can related to him. so the demon operates through him. Understand? Same thing with these guys. And then they give themselves names and days and birthdays. The American Indians can get caught up with demonic forces, they can get caught up into the occult. These are the entrapment of the Native American Indians. But those are statues that the people use in demonic ways, in demonic religion. There's nothing in here that is holy, there's nothing...the only thing holy here is us standing here.

What happens in this place?

This here in the back, they do witchcraft in the back, they do voodoo, they do with spells in the back, they do cleansings in the back. All these demons they want you to buy a new statue so you can take a demon home. See, selected prayers. They make you believe that you're praying to God. Look. I used to use this book, selected prayers. They make you think that you're praying to God, but these prayers are not Godly prayers. Nothing in the Bible here, say nothing about the Bible, the crucifixion.

We had a book in New York City, in American. I was the third person to get this book that had symbols in the book of different demons, different principalities, of different ways of killing people with the witchcraft. I mean this book was so...no one had a copy of this book. You couldn't have a copy of this book unless the devil signed off on you. And I was the third person to receive that book. And I would take symbols in that book and do witchcraft to people, put people...make people lose their mind. I put witchcraft on people, make people get diseases out of nowhere. I put witchcraft on people, make people get leprosy. I put witchcraft on people, make people get cancer. I mean, I gave witchcraft to people, I gave people miscarriages, I gave people abortions, I put people in hospitals for surgeries, that didn't even have to go for surgeries. I did witchcraft so people would lose their minds. I spirits of bi-polar, of schizophrenia, spirits of disease on people. I put suicide spirits on people. I'd be up all night long, praying and talking to the devil - when Christians can't even go to church for one hour. When Christians can't even pray for one hour.

The spirit realm is more real than the natural realm. And we fail to see that. In whatever's not covered with Jesus Christ is an easy target to bring down. Like, and atheist - I could kill him easily. They are easy to kill. The Jehovah Witness was easy to destroy. The Mormon was easy to destroy. The people that walk around and say, "We don't believe in the devil." they were easy to destroy, because they didn't know how to seek any spiritual help.

I remember a time when Nicky Cruz came to...a Nicky Cruz group came into my neighborhood and they were called TRUCE. They would come and do drive-bys in my neighborhood. They would do, like, worship and then they would preach a word and then go to another corner and do the same thing. And I came after these groups to try to put, to try to bring them down, this group. And they were young kids, they were like 18, 17, 16, 20 - I mean. So I said how do they dare to place this junk, this filthy music in my neighborhood - see, they would call worship. This filthy music in my neighborhood, I would go after them. I would destroy these kids. So when I went up to where they were at, there was a wall of fire around them. I couldn't penetrate against them. And there was something that pushed me back, every time I try to throw demonic forces against them, something there would just push me back and I was never able to touch these kids. And I said, there was something here. It's not right. Something is not falling into place. So I walked away, I left them alone. I didn't want to deal with them, I said, okay - they won this first round.

(back in a store) So, it's obvious there are spirits here watching us.

Oh yeah, of course they're watching us.

Yeah, and so we're all protected, we're all...

Yeah, we're protected. We're under the Blood, brother. There ain't nothing like the Blood of Jesus. Amen? There's nothing that can touch us. We got a hedge of protection around us and we can walk into this place, we can chase demons out of here, we can curse the place to the ground, in Jesus' name and there's nothing that the devil can do.

I mean, I had so much money. Beautiful cars, beautiful woman, I had it all. I lived in a world that people...my neighborhood, my neighbors were terrified of who I was. They said, you mess with that guy, your family will die. You mess with that guy, he gonna get a gun, he'll kill you in your sleep. My daddy was awesome, my daddy was...he knew had had...he give me powers beyond what I could imagine. He gave me powers that people have fear of me, police have fear of me, the securities in my neighborhood fear me. People that knew that I was a devil - they would call me the devil's son. I brought Christians to their knees, not to pray, because they had no power. It wasn't because their God wasn't all powerful, don't get me wrong. Because their God was all powerful - the vessel was weak. The vessel had no prayer life, the prayer had no fasting life. And they had no relationship with God. There was a form of godliness in the person, but no power. The person was weak, the person had nothing going. He had a Bible, he had the right suit on, she had the right dress on - but there was no connection with Jesus Christ. Because they was out of His will, they was out of His promises and they was out of His divine purpose, and I had you. I owned you. I had you as a slave, I broke you, I put witchcraft on you. I kept doing that to Christian after Christian after Christian after families after churches. I'd chase everything down that represented the Cross of Jesus Christ.

(driving)Very demonic place.

So that place has an effect on the whole neighborhood, is what you're saying?

Oh yeah, of course. Oh yeah. This whole region unlocked that. That's the devil's throne, we just went into the devil's throne. (referring to the store they had been in)

That throne been there since the 80's. And then they go spend $100, $200 buying these things, and then they broke, they on welfare, public assistance. But they got money to buy all this junk, because they think their life is going to get better, they think that their life is going to improve, they gonna make progress in life, they think that they're going break generational curses. They think they're going break vex, spells, voodoo - they think they're gonna break all that, and basically, God says "I come. I'll do that for you for free."

He says give your life to Me, and I'll set you free. But they don't want that, that's too difficult for them. That's too complicated for them. But they can walk into a place like this and drop $200 and think that their life is gonna be free. And they're gonna live a life of abundance.

I had contact with the principality that runs Haiti. His name is Condero(?). I had contact with demons in Miami. I had contact with demons in Africa. I had contact with demons in New York City, principalities that run crossroads of the world. He owns 42nd street. Okay? There's a different principality that runs crossroads of the world here on 42nd street than the one that tries to run this neighborhood.

I didn't have a conscience. I remember I did witchcraft to my brother, I put him in jail for 5 years. Witchcraft - to my own brother, my own flesh and blood. I did witchcraft and put him in jail for 5 years. My other brother, there was a warlock. He came into my house one time with an attitude and the demon jumped on him. He ran out the house, he couldn't hold the pain in his stomach. My mother can bear witness to that. I did so much ceremonies in my body. I did so much ceremonies in my body, the last ceremony I did - I not only sold myself to the devil, I did a ceremony were I had to swallow animal blood and gunpowder. It was called (?) This is a ceremony of Haitian and French. If you do this ceremony with a demon - so when I go to people's houses and eat, they can't put witchcraft on the food. I did all the ceremonies you can do.

I would go to demon church. Every year, we would have a meeting, a secret meeting. All the high witches and warlocks would have this meeting to find out what principality was gonna usher out and bring in to run the region. We were more organized than the church itself. The kingdom of darkness was more organized than the church of Jesus Christ. We knew how to do ceremonies, we knew how to do things before the year was over to prepare ourselves for the next year. When Christians couldn't go to church and pray for one hour. When Christians couldn't go to church and have a consistent relationship with God. I even took a sabbatical from witchcraft and the devil punished me - took my eyesight for one year. I was completely blind for one year. Was registered with the Commissioner for the Blind. I was completely blind. They were training me to use a Seeing Eye dog, they were training me to use one of these sticks that you use to walk the streets. My mother took care of me for one year. My eyes went black. And a mist of gray went over my eyes. I was completely blind. And when I gave my life back to the devil, after 7 surgeries, the devil gave me back my eyesight. And I could see again. And that was my punishment for taking one year off, I wanted to take off. The devil said, you want one year off? I give it to you. He took my eyesight.

And that's the world I lived in. If you mess with the devil, he'll kill you, he'll kill your family. It was a fear that was great beyond measure, that you could not leave this religion. You could not leave Santeria, you could not leave ______, you could not leave spiritualism. The doctors could not explain how I lost my eyesight. Meanwhile, Christians - and would say, what Christians do bad, Christians sometimes missed the mark, and the only thing that shows up in their house is grace and mercy. When you're short with the devil, you do something the devil don't like - he kill someone. He kill your family member. I remember the devil warned this lady, he said you can't be with that person no more and she didn't care, 'cause she was in love with the person - the devil demon-possessed a homeless guy in the street. He took a hammer and hit her 17 times on her head, killed her.

One day, I was sitting home. It was amazing. I came from a nightclub the night before. I was sitting home watching a show called Jerry Springer, a crazy show - people beating each other up. I got joy outta that, I was getting joy outta that, laughing. For the first time I heard a voice say to me, "Son. I am coming soon. What are you going to do with your life?" An audible voice, shouting from across the room. And I thought it was the TV talking to me..But then I saw it can't be the TV, these people were beating each other up. This voice... I knew the voice of the devil, I would sit with the devil like I'm sitting with you today. He would come into human form, he would come in the room, he would come in sometime, the presence come into the room. The atmosphere changes and I now he was there for me, and he was talking to my conscience. I would talk back and we would talk all night long. I knew that, too. I knew him like you knew the back of your hand. I knew every demon, every principality that ran the region, that ran everything in America. Everything in Canada. Everything that ran - I know every principality that ran every occult, wicca, new age, buddhistism, Islam, Andria, spiritualism - I knew every principality that ran. I had a contract with every principality with them, I had straight A marks with every principality, with every demon in the ground, the devil, Jezebel. I had every - I knew demons that I couldn't even tell you names, because you wouldn't know who they are. I knew them all by name. And this voice was very different than any other voice. When I heard that voice come out of nowhere - it came out of the air. The Voice.

I went into shock. And then I saw a vision from the other side of the apartment like the sky was on fire, and people underneath - I saw people running for cover but there was no cover, where to hide. And I think, why did I see that vision? So I shook it off. But I remember I went to sleep, like a deep sleep, like someone put on anesthesia and I went to sleep. I ended up in a train full of people. I couldn't believe I was in a train full of people. And this train was going faster than you could ever imagine. I'd never been on something this fast on Earth. And it went into hell. And Jesus Christ took me to hell. And when I got to hell, the doors opened. I mean, there was a slam in the doors, there was an unspeakable echo that struck all the doors open and there was heat that came out of nowhere. It felt like you were gonna suffocate, the heat that came out. I ran, I got out the train and the people on the train, they had no faces. But you could see the fear on the people on the train. You could feel the fear, the impact of the fear that they were going to a place that they were never going to return. And the place was packed.

And then, I tried, I said, "I can't die here. I can't die here. This is not for me. I wasn't born to be in this place." I was saying this to myself, I was not born to be here. So I tried to find like a tunnel, a tunnel in hell. I was walking, trying to run through the tunnels in hell, trying to find a door. Maybe a window. Maybe there was a gap somewhere that I can come out and come back to reality. But there was no gap. I remember as I...the more I went into the tunnels, the more the fear gripped me, the more the suffering. I heard suffering, just draped over you. This fear drapes over you like you're wearing a garment. This fear drapes over you, something you can't even control. You have no control over. Something like, it grabs you. It don't let you go. I couldn't see the hand in front of my face. But I hear the wailing - I hear wailing. Like, you ever hear like a kid wail, an animal wail at the same time. It's like, they're kinda wailing, it's indescribable. And there was heat and a smell that was like...like if you was in the sewers or the gutters in New York City. I mean, but crazier than that. As I came to a part of the tunnel, the devil showed up. He said, "I was your Daddy. I gave you everything you needed. I took care of you. I blessed you. I protected you. I killed people for you. I did...I give you powers, I give you a name in the darkness, the kingdom of darkness. I gave you a name. When people came against you I destroyed them, because I knew you were going to be the vessel I was going to use to move my kingdom on the Earth. And now you want to leave me? Now you want to betray me? In demonic tongues, and I'm talking back to him in demonic tongues and telling him no, I'm not leaving, I'm just confused. I don't know what's going on. And he said, "No. I know what you're going to do. You're going to leave me and you're going to expose my religion. You're going to expose who i am and how I operate in the realm, in the spirit realm. Because I taught you things that I never taught no one else. I showed you. I trusted you with the things that I needed you to know so you can further my kingdom. Because I wanted to use you in a greater measure way." And in the confusion, he went to grab me. He went to grab and destroy me and the Cross of Jesus appeared. I didn't understand how a cross, a three foot cross appeared in hell, when I was wearing blue shorts and a T-shirt. And I put it on him. And when I put it on him, the devil melt like he was an infant, like an infant he melt and fell on the floor. Like, no powers. So I took that opportunity and I ran deeper into the gates, I ran deeper into the tunnels of hell, hoping that there was a door. I had...my hope was being...there was not hope in the hope at all. There was no place saying I'm coming out of here! This was it, this was the end. I had a fear that gripped me that was indescribable - I never felt fear like that, ever felt a despair - it was the opposite of what Heaven is, opposite of Joy, opposite of gladness, opposite of Peace. It was opposite of light and darkness. It was a place of torment, a place of...if I'm here, my family won't know I'm here. My daughter won't know I'm here. How would they find me? How would they look for me?

As I went deeper into the tunnel of hell, hoping that there was a door, a window, a crack somewhere that I can get out, the devil showed up again. "So now, we'll destroy you." I told him in the demonic language, I've got these marks, these are my contracts to protect me, to destroy you. He said, "Fool! I gave you those marks. Those are my marks that I OWN you. I OWN YOU. No one owns you, I do. And you're gonna live for me or you die." And he went to grab me a second time around. I said, this is it. He went to grab me a second time around - the Cross of Jesus Christ appeared in hell. There's no greater love than the Cross that would come for a sinner like me, in hell. So when David says, "If I make my bed in hell, He knows I'm there." Grace and Mercy showed up in hell. Grace and Mercy knew my address. Grace and Mercy have a plan for my life. To my unspeakable, demonic, selfish ways. Arrogant, self-centered ways in hell, when I was down for the count. Jesus Christ loved the misfit. And He said, "I have a plan for you. I love you more than you can ever imagine." And He showed up in hell. And when I woke up, my spirit came back into my body. I woke up and I bend my knee to Jesus Christ. I had $100,000 of witchcraft in my house. I threw witchcraft away, I threw religion away. I threw everything that had to do with darkness away. The people from Haiti, the people from Cuba, the people from Miami and New York said, "we have to kill him, because he knows too much. We have to destroy him. We have to kill him, because he knows too much. He's not one of us anymore."

And they came for the kill. They did their best, they came for the kill. I was asleep in the day. It was day and night when the demons showed up and tormented me 30 days. They tormented me for 30 days. They would grab me by my throat, pick me up off my bed. The room grew cold, I would lay in my bed. I'd feel another person laying next to me, ice cold, another person. I would look like this, and feel the presence. The presence was the devil himself, laying in my bed for 30 days. On and off, on and off trying to torture, trying to steal my mind, trying to rip my soul out of my body, trying to rip my spirit out of my body. I would tremble at night, like I never trembled before. 30 days. And I would cry out, I didn't know how to pray? I said, "Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!" I didn't know how to pray. I say, my sister prays - I heard her in church, she pray this way. I heard that person pray this way - I would bring all these prayers together, to try to pull them together like a puzzle, trying to fight for my life.

One day, I was in church worshipping. And I asked the Lord, "Lord, why are You letting this happen to me?" And one day I heard the voice of God again. He said, "I want to see how much you love Me. I want to see how much you trust Me." And never again, I was tormented by the devil. And I became an evangelist for Jesus Christ. Fourteen years serving the Lord and I would never trade it for nothing in the world. Over on Hallelujah Boulevard, there's a mansion for John Ramirez. And one days says, Welcome Home, well done faithful servant. And I tell you, there's nothing - I'm not talking about Christianity - I'm talking about a relationship with Jesus Christ. He is my Lord. He is my beginning and end. No weapon formed against me will ever prosper. I die when Jesus say I go Home. Not because of a witch. Not because of a person. Not because hex, voodoo, incantation - none of that can separate me from the love of God.

dubya #fundie the-niceguy.com

Statutory rape should be decided on a case-by-case, frankly it's a judgement call.

Ex : 14 year old girl, 18 year old boy. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that.

Ex : 14 year old girl, 40 year old man. That's generally wrong BUT sentence should be individual. If he's seducing her, throw the book at him. But if she seems to be the primary actor and "shit happened" I don't necessarily think prison is appropriate or helpful. More likely the girl has psychological problems that she's going out seducing middle-aged men for casual sex. She needs help and counciling, and he needs to keep his dick in his pants, I'd give him a year in prison to help him do that.

Just like with murder there's different degrees.

There's a difference between "we were having a fight, he fell, hit his head and died" vs "I snuck into his house while he was sleeping and cut his throat."

One is "shit happens" and the other is "you're a cold-blooded murderer and a danger to society."

But there's no degrees in rape. The guy who brutally beats a woman and rapes her in the ass is getting the same sentence as a portly middle-age schoolteacher that couldn't help himself when a lolita offered herself.

I don't see feminists complaining when a 35 year old female teacher is having sex with 14 year old boys. And frankly the 14 year old boys aren't complaining either. What does she usuallty get? A slap on the wrist? I don't see NOW holding protests over that. They just don't care.

Child support and alimony should be abolished.

Your body, your choice, your wallet.

If he shows up to court and wants to be involved, he should have automatic 50/50 custody.

If he doesn't show up, doesn't get involved, then raise the child yourself. Whoever actually wants to raise the child should raise the child.

If she doesn't care, doesn't want to be involved, then HE should take the child and raise it.

If they both care about the child, then do a 50/50 split parenting.

As far as forcible rape goes, I know there's a tendency to want harsher and harsher sentences, but honestly I think 18 years 9 months in prison is quite alot by anybody's standards, especially when the other inmates know you're in for rape. It's not gonna be fun and games, trust me, and you're prolly gonna get raped in prison and you prolly deserve it.

My 2 cents

Tucker Carlson #sexist wonkette.com

HEADLINE: Being Tucker Carlson Means Never Having To Say You're Sorry For Defending Child Rape

On Sunday afternoon, Media Matters For America released a series of audio tapes of Tucker Carlson making regular calls to the Bubba the Love Sponge show in which he made a variety of disturbing comments, not the least of which were several defenses of FLDS leader Warren Jeffs and his habit of marrying young girls himself or forcing them to marry other older men -- a crime Tucker Carlson does not consider all that bad if it is even a crime at all.

While most people in Carlson's position would apologize and do the whole "I know better now" rigamarole, he is refusing, and has instead released a statement telling people to watch his show.

Media Matters caught me saying something naughty on a radio show more than a decade ago. Rather than express the usual ritual contrition, how about this: I'm on television every weeknight live for an hour. If you want to know what I think, you can watch. Anyone who disagrees with my views is welcome to come on and explain why.

Hard pass!

The newly released tapes reveal that in 2006, Carlson defended Warren Jeffs by saying that he didn't do anything that bad because he didn't rape any of those underage girls himself, insisting that forcing a girl to marry an old dude and have sex with him the rest of her life just is not as bad as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her.

CARLSON: He's not accused of touching anybody; he is accused of facilitating a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a 27-year-old man. That's the accusation. That's what they're calling felony rape. [crosstalk] That's bullshit. I'm sorry. Now this guy may be [crosstalk], may be a child rapist. I'm just telling you that arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old and a 27-year-old is not the same as pulling a stranger off the street and raping her. That's bullshit.

THE LOVE SPONGE: But Tuck, that's just a small little thing that they got him on. Now, this guy is a --

CARLSON: Wait, wait, wait. Since when do you believe everything the government says? Wait a second.

THE LOVE SPONGE: Hold on. You know what --

CARLSON: All of a sudden, like we're very skeptical about everything until like some prosecutor comes out and says, "This guy's bad," and the rest of us nod in agreement like a church choir, "Yeah, he's bad." How do we know he's bad? What do we know exactly? Nothing.

THE LOVE SPONGE: Tucker, Tucker, settle down, lover. I mean, come on. I mean, jeez.

CARLSON: Get excited.

Yeah. If Warren Jeffs had only ever forced underage girls to marry and have sex with old dudes, that would still be illegal. However, that was not the case. While the charges Jeffs faced in Utah and Arizona were for facilitation only, he was indicted in 2008b on felony charges in Texas for personally sexually assaulting two girls, ages 12 and 15 (the conviction on which he is currently serving time, as both the Utah and Arizona charges were thrown out so that Texas could pursue the more serious charge). In May of 2008, The Smoking Gun released "first anniversary" pictures of Jeffs, taken in 2006, with a girl he had married when she was 12.

[Photos of Jeffs with his child-bride shown (her face is blurred). Caption reads, 'These were available and well-publicized at the time Carlson said Jeffs did not marry underage girls himself.']

Now, had Carlson only said these things in 2006, it would have been fair for him to say "Well, that information was not available to me at the time." Yet, all of this information was available to Carlson in 2009 when he made these other statements about Jeffs, which repulsed even the shock jock hosts:

CARLSON: Look, just to make it absolutely clear. I am not defending underage marriage at all. I just don't think it's the same thing exactly as pulling a child from a bus stop and sexually assaulting that child.

CO-HOST: Yeah, it's -- you know what it is? It's much more planned out and plotted.

THE LOVE SPONGE: Yeah, it should be almost -- you almost should put a premeditation --

CARLSON: Wait, wait! Hold on a second. The rapist, in this case, has made a lifelong commitment to love and take care of the person, so it is a little different. I mean, let's be honest about it.

CO-HOST: That's twisted.


That is, indeed, twisted.

By no measure is rape somehow more OK if you marry a woman and rape her for the rest of her life. It's not more OK if the rapist "loves" the victim, it's not more OK if they buy the victim dinner first, or if that rape is part of their "religion." A father who rapes his daughter has also made a commitment to love and take care of her, and I don't think anyone would say that is somehow "less bad" than if he grabbed another girl "off the street." Jeffs forced hundreds of underage girls to marry adult men and have sex with them. He also married and had sex with underage girls himself.

In 2009 -- which was, I remind you, a full year after Jeffs' Texas indictment and the pictures released by The Smoking Gun -- Carlson continued insisting that Jeffs absolutely did not marry underage girls himself.

CO-HOST: Yeah, that's what Warren Jeffs' in prison for. He's not in prison for polygamy, he's in prison for child rape.

CARLSON: Well, actually, he's not in prison for that. He didn't -- Warren Jeffs didn't marry underaged girls, actually.

CO-HOST: No, he's in prison for facilitation of child rape.

CARLSON: Whatever the hell that means.

CO-HOST: That means that --

CARLSON: He's in prison because he's weird and unpopular and he has a different lifestyle that other people find creepy.

CO-HOST: No, he is an accessory to the rape of children. That is a felony and a serious one at that.

CARLSON: What do you mean an accessory? He's like got some weird religious cult where he thinks it's OK to, you know, marry underaged girls, but he didn't do it. Why wouldn't the guy who actually did it, who had sex with an underaged girl, he should be the one who's doing life.


Wait until he finds out about Charles Manson!

And then he said:

I should make the -- you know what, I should make the laws around here, and Michael Vick would have been executed, and Warren Jeffs would be out on the street.

For the record, of his own 78 wives, 12 were 16 when Jeffs married them, and another 12 were 15 or under. So not only was Carlson's defense of Jeffs "twisted," he was also incredibly factually wrong about what Jeffs was accused of doing.

Of course, Carlson's defense of Jeffs isn't that far off from what other conservatives have said in the past about rape. Notably, Todd Akin tried to argue that there was a difference between "grey rape" and "legitimate rape," while claiming that women could not get pregnant from "legitimate" rape.

These weren't the only horrific statements Carlson made on the program. He also defended a teacher sleeping with a 13-year-old male student by saying that the teacher was actually doing a "service" by raping a child, so that the girls in his class wouldn't have to have sex with them.

So my point is that teacher's like this, not necessarily this one in particular, but they are doing a service to all 13-year-old girls by taking the pressure off. They are a pressure relief valve, like the kind you have on your furnace.

Again, child rape is bad. It's not up for discussion.

Carlson also laughed gleefully at the idea of abusing women, called Martha Stewart's daughter "cunty" and offered to give her the "spanking" she deserves (Carlson notably flipped out over Samantha Bee using the word "cunt" to describe Ivanka Trump, saying that he didn't know any man who would ever dare use that word because of how degrading it is), he compared women to dogs and called them "primitive," he repeatedly accused Hillary Clinton of wanting to cut off all of the penises in the world, and claimed that there is "no Canadian woman" anyone would pay to sleep with.

Will Carlson face the same fate Milo Yiannopoulos faced after he defended child rape? That's doubtful. The fact is, none of this is any worse than what he says on a daily basis on his show. He says terrible things all the time, and that is why he is so beloved by so many terrible, terrible people. It's not surprising that he is standing by his statements, or that people like Erick Erickson think the real crime is unearthing the things he said many years ago in the first place, suggesting that defending child rape as an adult man is just some kind of youthful indiscretion that isn't worth being concerned over.

After all, what would you expect from the party that elected President Grab Em By The Pussy?

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

As a redeemed child of God, I don't read the news too often, because it is so depressing, and because the Scripture teaches us to think about good, lovely and uplifting things, which I'll discuss more in a bit. If you're like me, once you start reading news stories, you can't stop reading them. It is called “click bait.” The newsmedia know better than anyone how to create alluring captive titles for news articles, which you just have to read. I admit that I find an interesting news story irresistible (and they know it). Thus, I read several dozen news stories today from the New York Daily News, which is rare for me. I was horrified about the tragic stories I read, which all shouted one truth to me loud and clear—THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!

It was 23rd U.S. President Benjamin Harris (1833-1901) who wisely said:

“If you take out of your statutes, your constitution, your family life all that is taken from the Sacred Book, what would there be left to bind society together?” —Benjamin Harrison, Twenty third President

President Harris was wise to realize that without the inspired Words of God (the Sacred Book), nothing remains to bind society together. That is exactly what has gone wrong in the United States! Mankind has always been sinful by nature and prone to wickedness; but when you remove the unchanging SACRED BOOK authored by God from the equation, there is nothing left but sinful human goodness, cruel human mercy, insane human rational, corrupt human justice and conditional human love. Ungodly critics like to find all the failures of Christianity, but the Church on its worst day is far better than the world on its best day! THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!

It was 33rd U.S. President Harry S. Truman (1884-1972, Pastor Jack Hyles' favorite president, who wisely said:

“The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and Saint Matthew, from Isaiah and Saint Paul…. If we don’t have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State!” —Harry Truman, Thirty third President

Our country's 32 U.S. President, Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945), wisely said:

“We cannot read the history of our rise and development as a nation without reckoning with the place the Bible has occupied in shaping the advances of the Republic. Where we have been the truest and most consistent in obeying its precepts, we have attained the greatest measure of contentment and prosperity.” —Franklin Roosevelt, Thirty second President

These strong leaders of our nation all understood the important of the inspired HOLY BIBLE to maintain stability and soundness in our American society. Lest you doubt the veracity of the preceding quotes from our leaders, and doubt what I say as a born-again Christian who fears God, consider the following horrific news stories that I found in today's news...

- an African-American mother was horrified when she came home and found her precious 20 month old daughter, stabbed and baked in the oven by her 48 year old grandmother! THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a woman's sicko fiancée brutally raped her small dog, physically hurting the dog so that it had to be euthanized by a local veterinarian. The girlfriend suspected foulplay and paid for DNA testing, to prove that her deranged boyfriend savagely raped her dog! THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 54 year old man pulled his 42 year old girlfriend into the path of a speeding subway train to commit murder/suicide. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a Florida man served 20 years in prison for murder, and after being released was convicted in 2018 for a second murder from 2001 (photoed to right of the man covered in tattoos). Oh, how Satan fills the heart of people. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 12 year old girl commits suicide on Facebook live. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 29 year old man was struck and killed by an 18 year old pizza delivery driver in Australia, which caused so much intense sorrow for his fiancée that she committed suicide 3 hours later. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 32 year old NYPD female police officer was selling illegal drugs out of her Bronx apartment. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 33 year old woman pushed a stranger in front of a train, murdering him. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 54 year old man found out from the FBI that his 32 year old NYPD girlfriend plotted to murder his teen daughter. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 35 year old mother in North Carolina threw her 7 month old daughter down a 75 foot ravine to murder her. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a 14 year old boy is charged with murdering another teen boy with a gun. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a mother of 3 in England dies after swallowing a bag of cocaine in an airport to hide it. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!
- a man in his early twenties raped both of his sisters (aged 19 and 20) and then murdered them by pushing them off a bridge. THE HOLY BIBLE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER!!!

Robert Lindsay #fundie robertlindsay.wordpress.com

Female Rule or Male Rule simply whether society decides to set its norms and laws based on male views or female views.

For example, in modern Western society, we now have cases of Female Rule. This means that female norms, rules and laws have supplanted male rules, laws and norms.

Female Rule: Western Society Amidst the Ruins
Various insane things have resulted since Female Rule has begun in the West:

1. A man goes to jail if he ever hits any female for any reason, apparently even if she is threatening his life. A woman may strike a man as many times as she wishes, but if a man hits back even one time, he is going to jail. In other words, if a woman hits a man, he has no right to hit her back. If she hits him 100 times, he has no right to hit her back. If he hits her back, he’s going to jail.

2. Sexual harassment. Female geniuses have now succeeded in making it so that if a man flirts with a woman, looks at a woman or asks a woman out at work, this is “sexual harassment,” and the man will be fired from his job. Apparently the goal here is to eliminate men flirting with women, men looking at women and men asking out women from the workplace.

3. Alimony. If a woman divorces a man after 5 years of marriage, she still gets 50% of his income for the rest of her life. Why should she have that right. This is insanity.

4. Rape. On California college campuses, males accused of rape incredibly are regarded as guilty until proven innocent. Men must somehow prove that they did not commit the rape. Every sex act must receive approval before it is done. If you touch her tits, you have to ask her permission first. If you kiss her, you have to ask her, “Can I kiss you?” and she has to say, “Yes.” If you have sex with a woman and she never utters one single word of protest to your advances, then this still may be rape as “silence is no longer consent.” So you can still be charged with rape even a woman never said no because you could not read her mind and figure out that she was thinking she didn’t want to do it.

In the UK, all males charged with rape are now guilty until proven innocent. Silence is not considered to be consent, a man can still commit rape even if a woman never said no because he wasn’t able to read her mind and figure out she didn’t want to do it.

Sweden now has the 3rd highest rape rate on Earth not because there are many rapes in Sweden. Actually there are few rapes in Sweden and the true rape rate is low as it has always been. However, Sweden has now been taken over by feminist lunatics who have installed the craziest rape laws the world has ever seen. Hence many sex acts and behaviors which were once legal are now considered to be “rape.” Tell a woman you are going to use a condom and then have with her without one? In Sweden that is called “rape.” Many other behaviors that are neither rape nor even illegal in 99% of the world are considered “rape” in Sweden.

5. Pedophile Mass Hysteria, a moral panic, has been directly caused by Female Rule. Because of this irrational moral panic, solid majorities of Americans now believe many an insane thing. Apparently most Americans believe these things are true:

A man who is aroused by teenage girls is a “pedophile” who belongs in prison.
A man who has sexual fantasies about teenage girls is a “pedophile” who belongs in prison.
A man who says he thinks about or feels like he wants to have sex with teenage girls is a “pedophile” who belongs in prison.
Sexually speaking, a 13-17 year old girl is the same thing as a 7-11 year old girl, a “child.”
Being aroused by a 13-17 year old girl is the same thing as being aroused by a 7-11 year old girl.
Teenage girls are “children” who are somehow “incapable of making decisions” about just about anything, especially sex.
Teenagers shooting nude photos of themselves and passing them around is called “production of child pornography.” The teenagers doing this are “child porn producers.”
Consensual sex between minors is “pedophilia” and if minors are caught have such sex with each other, they need to be arrested, charged and convicted of “child molestation” and afterwards they need to go on the Sex Offender Registry for the rest of their lives.
It is apparently illegal now for adult males to befriend minors of either sex. A man who does this is doing something called “grooming.”
A man who speaks to a female minor is guilty of something called “harassing a child” because the only reason a man would talk to a female minor is if he is scheming to have sex with her.
In every case above, we previously had laws, norms and values based on Male Rule, which is the rule of Logic over Emotion. Now in all of the above cases, Male Rule or the Rule of Reason has been overthrown by women. In its place has been substituted various new laws, rules and mores based on Female Rule which is the rule of Emotion over Logic. In each case, flawed but rational and fair male rules, laws and mores were replaced by faulty, ridiculous and insane female rules. Society is not better as a result. Society is simply crazier and less rational.

This sort of mass chaos and idiocy is probably the typical and possibly even universal result of allowing Female Rule to supplant Male Rule in human society.

Bristol Palin #fundie patheos.com

The Government is Paying for 10 Year Olds to Get Implanted Birth Control?!?!

Do you remember what it was like to be a 10 year old? I remember being an unabashed tomboy concerned with playing outside and acing 5th grade.

But life isn’t so innocent and carefree for some 10 years old in Washington State. This summer a report came out claiming that some schools in Washington were giving free birth control implants to children as young as 10 years old! These birth control devices are implanted in a girl’s uterus, and all of this can be done without a parent’s consent!

And now a public records request by Judicial Watch has confirmed the details of what is happening in Washington.

Judicial Watch reports:

JW filed a public records request with the Washington Health Care Authority after reading a [b]disturbing article[/b] in a pro-life news site over the summer about a Seattle high school that offers different forms of birth control without parental knowledge or consent. This includes implanting an intrauterine device (IUD) in a girl’s uterus free of cost. It’s part of an initiative offered by Medicaid, the joint federal and state insurance program for the poor. The article points out the irony that a teen in Seattle can’t get a sugary soft drink in high school but can have a device implanted into her uterus.

The data obtained by JW reflect increasing numbers of kids in all age groups receiving these birth control implants from 2013 to 2014. Figures can’t be compared for 2015 because the full year’s data is not yet available, but the records show that in 2014 and at least part of 2015, girls as young as 10 received the implants. The largest group of minors that got the birth control implants was 17 years old, according to the data, but girls much younger also received them. Four 11-year-olds got birth control from the state during the 2 ½- year period and so did more than 100 girls between the ages of 12 and 13. The numbers go up as the girls get older with 364 girls age 14 getting the implants and 744 15-year-olds. The records show that 2,336 girls ages 16 to 17 were given implants during this period.

It is crazy that the government is offering a controversial form of birth control that can have serious life-long side effects to 10-year-old CHILDREN, but then to do all of this behind a parent’s back is simply outrageous!

tyrindor #fundie mmo-champion.com

Some people need to remember many 13 year olds nowadays look 18 with the way they dress and do their makeup. I agree with his sentencing to some extent... Yes, 41 and 13 is beyond sick, but hear me out. This happens a lot... young teenagers wanting sex with someone older, more experienced, or just for bragging rights. They egg them on and many men cave under the pressure. Yes, they are adults and should know between right and wrong however everyone has moments of weakness especially when it comes to sex. However, no matter how you put it they simply didn't rape them.

Why is it that someone get the same sentence for:
1) 41 year old flat out raping a 13 year old.
2) 41 year old having sex with a 13 year old that wanted too.

Your talking about 2 totally different animals here. Both should be punished, I fully agree, but no where near the same. The first should be 10+ years in a maximum security prison, the second should be more around 1-2 years in a minimum security correctional facility... and if/when they do it again charge them with some jail time.

As for girls that are 16-17 and totally lie to older men about their age, I feel the guy should get off with a warning at most. They aren't kids, they knew what they were doing. 16-17 is old enough to be charged as an adult so why is it considered a kid when it comes to sex? The law shouldn't be gray like this, either 16-17 is an adult or it isn't.

She's a minor. She can't consent. Its statutory rape.
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How can a minor not consent to something? Do you really think people under 18 have the brains of a new born baby? Even a pet can consent to something. 16-17 year olds are charged as adults for murder, even 15 in some rare cases, yet if you have mutual sex with one you go to jail for statutory rape because "they couldn't consent".

The law is totally wrong here. It contradicts itself. Not to mention legal age is much lower in some other countries, and no one seems to have problems with it there. It was also much lower in America hundreds of years ago. It wasn't uncommon for a 13-14 year old to have kid(s), and raise them. It still isn't uncommon in some countries. Yet.. some people believe nowadays a 13 year old can't even consent to something?


May I remind people that some developed nations such as Japan has the age of consent of 13?

Yeah, and it's still freaking creepy. Unless you are saying you want the age of consent changed in UK, which I think I read you don't, is really a moot point.

The age of consent is pretty high in America. When I was 15 I started dating a 12 year old, and no it wasn't a sexual relationship at that age. It was my first girlfriend ever and we were friends for 2 years before that. Shortly after I turned 16, making our age gap 4 years, but then she'd turn 13 about a month later. No one had any problems with it, not even her parents because they knew I was a good guy.

Then 2 years went by and we were still seeing each other. The day I turned 18 she was 14, turning 15 in a month. A few days after my 18th birthday her parents all a sudden did not approve of the relationship because it was now illegal according to law. We broke up, I haven't seen her in 8 years.. and it still depresses me to this day.

Why does a once legal relationship become illegal simply because we BOTH got older? Not only was she my GF, but she was my best friend. I cared greatly for her, but according to society the relationship was all a sudden wrong over night. After my experience I will never support the current age of consent laws.

Some Pinkpillers #sexist #psycho reddit.com

RE: Is it something wrong with male children now too?

(Consider_The_Horses2)

There absolutely is something wrong with male children. And this something is not just caused by socialization but - at least partly - also by their male biology. Young boys very clearly exhibit the desire to fight, to dominate, and to destroy whom they consider beneath them. It is not uncommon for young boys to rape and abuse - their sisters, for instance. https://i.redd.it/mkwy8ufokm051.jpg Men have basically evolved to rape and kill and male children are already practicing. And these days, they start watching rape porn and calling women "sluts" and "thots" online when they are 10 or 11-years-old already, anyway...

Personally, I've come to hate male children just as much as I hate men: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillFeminism/comments/gnuqgl/ive_come_to_hate_boys_just_as_much_as_i_hate_men/

They should be thaugth to be more friendly

Women are always expected to "help" males and to sacrifice themselves in order to raise males. I am opposed to this. It hasn't worked out in the past, and it won't work out in the future. The only thing it has resulted in - the only thing this argument was designed for - was to make women responsible for the bad actions of men and make women sacrifice their time, their energy, their well-being to "help" the very males who want to oppress and rape them.

You adult men, you go ahead and teach boys not rape, not to objectify women, not to watch porn, not to glorify prostitution, not to oppress women, not to "slut-shame" them, etc.

You know most men in the world wont rape you. "Helping" boys is raising them. Do it right with other people. Give them a positive influence. Teach them about normal feminism and not radical. Let them know how they should be treated and how to treat women.

Normal feminism is nothing but misogyny. Men define "normal" feminism as a feminism that allows them to continue all the shit they've done for centuries - but this time using "woke" rather than Christian vocabulary to justify it.

No it's not misogyny. Normal feminism as that guy said is woman's rights, to become equal to males. Not to kill them all and become a species that will very quickly become extinct because females won't evolve without males. Feminists from the past are the people who got you the rights you have today. So don't dis them because you shouldn't deserve what they gave their life for.

The goal is female liberation from male oppression, not "equality" with rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and oppressors.

(censorshipment)

A chilling story about two 10 year old boys who kidnapped, tortured, raped and murdered a 2 year old toddler for fun. One of them was arrested as an adult later due to possession of CP(shocker). [NSFW] - https://np.reddit.com/r/BlackPillFeminism/comments/h84ulp/a_chilling_story_about_two_10_year_old_boys_who/

I did not know that. I personally think not every 10yr old boy have the instinct to murder and torture young kids. But, What do i know. I can only speak of my experience when i was 10yrs old

The best way to prevent males from harming females is sex-based separation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kayla_Rolland

6 year old boy shot and killed a 6 year old girl at school because she rejected him. Could've been prevented if schools weren't integrated. Sure, you can say could've been prevented if his uncle didn't have guns in the house. But it's just better to separate females from males.

But doesnt females harm males aswell? Think about hoe much more boeing life would become without males. Basically forcing everyone to be lesbian.

Not at the same rate as males who harm females. Heterosexuality is a disease. Women need to evolve.

So you say avery woman on the planet is superior to men?

Fuck off.

(CloacaDiddler)

Boys 10-12 have higher rape statistics than every age of women. Just the preteens. I can barely even retell the story of Junko Furuta kidnapped by a few 14 year old boys and put through the worst torture imaginable for months until she finally died of her injuries. Not to mention little boys tend to be violent, unruly, and show affection by hitting.

You people are deranged. Fuck you and your campaign to feminize little boys. Boys are different than girls, they're not supposed to be these little quiet robots that you shove information into. They're learning machines, they're exploring their environment as all babies do. Just because they're more prone to being unruly (mostly due to the uneven distribution of ADHD among the two sexes), does not mean they are inherently evil.

Citing rare instances of boys doing horrible things is fucking nuts and you know it, I can easily find female equivalents. You people need to delete this sub or honestly just rope, there is no hope for leeches on society who sit on reddit and hate on men, deranged idiots.

Rare instances???

Yes dumbass. Are you really implying that all boys rape someone when they're a preteen?

Why is it all or nothing with you guys.

I’ve already stated that boys between 10-12 rape more people than all age categories of women do...that’s not all, but that’s not rare and it’s so hilarious when y’all try to refute this. Just like how men make up about 24% of teachers nationally but 78% of student sex crimes. Because y’all always love to say how “women rape students just as much as men” but no, they fucking don’t. Women don’t X anything as much as men, not all of them do horrible things but way more do than women do

That's because of the toxic culture that implies young boys should enjoy sex from older women. All the sex scandals from my highschool were exposed not because of reporting, but because someone else found out. Usually it's the parents.

The same way there used to be stigma around women reporting sexual assaults (which is now mitigated by all the awareness movements; sexual assault cases against men have skyrocketed), there is also a stigma against male victims. Once that is broken there will be a surge of reports on female rapists.

But you toxic fuckers make that impossible with your "male violent and bad, woman innocent and pretty amd good" mindset. What a bunch of narcissistic and uneducated jack-offs.

I couldn't count the amount of second-hand embarassment I got whilst reading posts/comments where "pink pilled" psychos were circle jerking about female superiority. And you know what's funny? Mens rights subs don't allow misogyny, yet misandry is the basis of all feminist subs. What an embarassment honestly...

Jesus Christ feminists are the ones against all rape, I’ve only ever heard men encourage students to get with adult teachers. Even had a coworker speak up unprompted to tell me how he believed men could never be raped unless the woman was ugly, and that students were lucky to get with a teacher. If you think it was “just one guy” and are blind to the massive culture of men especially online who feel this way, then obviously you must not believe that all women are the ones supporting this, isn’t that right?

Aditch #fundie whattoexpect.com

@ourohana

"A 13 yr old teenager (just barely) should NEVER have a sexual encounter with a 20 yr old man. Regardless, of the circumstances to which only he and that child will ever really know, it should be assumed that she was raped- regardless, she WAS as he's 20 and she 13! And never should it be okay to assume this child was ever at fault. All the while giving him excuse, compassion, and sympathy.
Im truly outraged

I was barely 14 years old when I gave up my virginity to a stranger of 19. I KNOW I was asking for it, because I ASKED for it.


@ChuckNorris

"greed. I lost mine at 14 to an 18 year old. I wanted to do it, and knew full well what I was doing. But in my state, if my mother had found out and wanted him prosecuted, it wouldn't have mattered if I testified that I begged him to sleep with me. He would have been prosecuted, and potentially been put on the registry.

At 14 I may not have been mature enough to be having sex, but I wanted to, and I don't think the guy I slept with should spend the rest of his life being labeled a violent sex offender for having sex with a willing participant."


xactly. Can a 13/14 year old 'technically' consent? I don't think they are truly in the right frame of mind to make a totally educated decision. I know that I have loaded my 13 year old with enough sexual education that she could teach a class on it, but I don't trust her yet to make the decision for herself. I think she needs more time. But if she was to actively engage a man who is 19/20 years old and she convinces him that she does want to have sex than I don't think it makes the man a sexual predator like so many on this list seem to think is an automatic assumption.

@OurOhana

A 13 yr old teenager (just barely) should NEVER have a sexual encounter with a 20 yr old man And never should it be okay to assume this child was ever at fault

I'm telling you that you are wrong. I know from personal experience that young girls can play an active role in encouraging a man to make a poor decision.

"And throwing out the "dressing like ****s" issue. Really?

Have you even been in a junior high recently? I have. Several times. Did you miss the part where I HAVE A 13 YEAR OLD? I have SEEN 12 year old girls wearing black eyeliner and wearing high heel sandals. I have SEEN 13 year old girls wearing mini skirts and having their bras showing under their spaghetti strap tank tops. I have SEEN girls who wear shorts so short that when they bend over their panties are showing. I have SEEN girls who wear rips in their jeans that go from crotch to knee. What the hell is wrong with their parents that they think this is OK? Why is the school not sending them home? I was at the track the other day and I WATCHED as a young boy was fondling a girls breasts UNDER her shirt IN PUBLIC! And you seriously think that these girls aren't wanting at the very least to be seen as sexually mature? You need a stiff dose of reality.

"I hate when women automatically give the offender the benefit of doubt. And instead assume that maybe the girl wanted it and is somehow to be held 50/50 responsible'

And I hate it when people automatically assume that the girl didn't. If they aren't trying to be sexual creatures, why are so many of them dressing like slvts?

André du Pôle #sexist returnofkings.com

Considered from a long memory point of view, feminism is quite recent, owing its exponential development to a very specific modern historical context. The matriarchal tribes Leftist anthropologists have been crazy about are but a historical aberration. All civilizations and peoples who were able to go beyond the small tribe stage and erect kingdoms or empires were patriarchal.

The irony of modernity lies in men having invented most of what exist out there, toiled in steaming factories, dug up dark mine drifts, fought in bloody wars, and managed to produce an incredible wealth—for the result of work to be taken away by entitled, ungraceful womyn.

If you look closely, the suffragettes and their ilk did not revolt because “oppression of women”, but to the contrary, in a context where men were already weak and womanly ways were already dominant. Nineteenth century American prostitutes had many things wives did not—like money, glamour, the ability to travel and fuck many wealthy guys, and even men’s attention—and they have set a precedent.

Likewise, if you look at the Belle Époque (roughly 1870-1914) art, it overflows with sensual, bewitching beautiful women, accompanied by high-status or wealthy men orbiting around. Men of these times had already turned into weaklings, proud to be mesmerized by some lipstick-wearing bitch. Far from being “oppressive”, these men were dependent, and spoiled women could easily gauge money and power from them.

This trend of female takeover, be it through seduction, subtle social power-grabbing or direct threats against men, has shaped many of last century changes. Our masculine potentialities were buried in taboo and oblivion by the blue pill, and now that we are developing ourselves again, it is becoming increasingly obvious that we have to roll back the degeneracy and illegitimate powers we were taught to take for granted. With this is mind, we need a traditional, extra-modern perspective from which to stand and strike hard at the Libtard Church.

The Law Code of Manu, an ancient Hindu legal code, is exactly the kind of content that can feed a “neo-traditional” perspective. Its rich contents led me to write on it twice on ROK, and now is a third and last Law of Manu piece specifically about relations between the sexes. What did an allegedly supra-human lawmaker say on women—and that allowed for a civilization standing the test of time?

...

To regulate the market and prevent an unholy alliance between party girls and notches-racking assholes, the Code states that a man must be older than the girl he woos: “a 30 year old man should marry a charming girl of 12 years, or an 18 year old, a girl of 8 years or sooner” (9.94). In other words, instead of giving way to the temptation and throwing themselves in a cutting-throat competition for notches, young men have to master their own desires while getting a betrothal with younger girls. Then, as a well-deserved reward, they get a good spouse, each of them peaks at the same time, each can naturally enjoy the other—the 30 year old enjoys the young female who enjoys an older, dominant male—and build a home.

...

3. Women ought to be made dependent for their own good

The Code states:

" Even in her own home, a female—whether she is a child, a young woman, or an old lady—should never carry out any task independently. As a child, she must remain under her father’s control; as a young woman, under her husband’s; and when her husband is dead, under her sons’. She must never seek to live independently. (5.147-8)"

If women depend from their families and ought to be traded or cared of by men, this makes pairing easier and more straightforward. Being traded, women can focus on their own value and avoid being damaged by their own foolish choices. Also, as they are hypergamic, women ought to be made socially inferior for their own satisfaction: if they get equal to men, they will despise men of equal value and want for a higher value one at the expense of whom they should pair with.

Women belonging to their families are limited in their ability to lure any male into their traps: if they do, they will likely get the wrath of their responsible relatives.

" Day and night men should keep their women from acting independently; for, attached as they are to sensual pleasures, men should keep them under their control. (9.2)

Drinking, associating with bad people, living away from the husband; travelling, sleeping, and staying in the houses of others—these are the six things that corrupt women… Lechery, fickleness of mind, and hard-heartedness are innate in them… Recognizing this, a man should make the utmost effort at guarding them. (9.13-6)"

...

5. Husband and wife do not have to be “equal”

Some things ought to be checked as relatively equal between a husband and a wife, such as the caste, social value, or being in one’s prime, for the marriage to work well, with the exception of “times of adversity” when higher caste men can marry down. Everything, though, does not have to be the same.

A woman realizes herself and flourishes through her place in the family. She ought to be dutiful to have her proper center and dignity. Therefore,

" Though he may be bereft of virtue, given to lust, and totally devoid of good qualities, a good woman should always worship her husband like a god. For women, there is no independent sacrifice, vow, or fast; a woman will be exalted in heaven by the mere fact that she obediently served her husband. (5.154-6)"

On the other hand, a husband can go away for years on which his wife ought to maintain the home, provided he secures some resource for her to live on (9.74-6). He is also free to repudiate his wife if she loathes him without a proper reason. Specific reasons are specified by the Code, such as if he turns into an unrepentant alcoholic, or becomes “foul-mouthed” (9.81).

Men and women’s respective roles and different, complementary, and unequal. Modernists should get over it instead of wrecking social life in the name of an equality between non-existent abstract individuals.

A man’s striving expresses mostly on the public scene, outside from the house, while the man’s quest finds its center in himself and larger projects. A man ought to be able to thrive outside, whereas his wife, by being supportive, realizes herself at the same time that she helps him. Also note that risks are properly shared here, as the woman may seem in a more risky situation at home, when the husband meets with the risks outside.

...

Conclusion

That the modern trends of “emancipation” of women would actually unravel into a catastrophe for most men, not to mention our civilization as a whole, could have been predicted by the wise men living millennia ago. Particular vocations, social equilibrium, good chances and fair trade were ensured by the wisdom and fidelity of traditional men.

As we toil for taking back our institutions, countries and civilization, it is also necessary to glean discernment from (almost) timeless Scriptures. Odds are, the most familiar we become with antique wisdom, the more specifically modern trends will look like blind or monstrous deviations. This may be unsettling. I could bet my last penny, though, that in the long run it will be understood as a necessary step for getting outside the rotten world we were born in and avoid falling for the same mistakes again and again.

Vraiblonde #sexist forums.somd.com

Football players gang-raped girl, 11, police say
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/10/girl.raped.ap/index.htmlyea, it sounds horrible..how could they... And I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but something doesn't sound right.

"The rape of an 11-year-old girl may have involved as many as 10 men, ..."

"The victim, who suffered no serious physical injuries, was taken to University Medical Center for an examination.

The victim, a runaway from a group home, went to a Fresno apartment complex Saturday night to visit an acquaintance,


Yep, poor little innocent girl. It could happen to YOUR CHILD next!!

Yep. The little ho had it coming. All she had to do was stay home.

Stop that

My point is these news guys make it sound like she was just some sweet, innocent girl fast asleep at home in her bed when these football brutes broke in and kidnapped her.

They do this with these chickies who find pervs on the internet and run off with them, too.

Just because she is a runaway from a group home she is not innocent

I'm sure there are many innocent 11 year old girls who run away from their group home to go prowling for guys and end up getting raped. Happens all the time.

The article said she "visited the home of an acquaintance" where she was set upon by these football players. Was the "acquaintance" one of the rapists? Or maybe she went to the wrong house?

Porcupine #fundie animenewsnetwork.com

I think homosexuality ought to be way more 'taboo' than pedophilia (but both should be legal whether 'taboo' or not). What is more disgusting, a man having sex with another man, or a 16 year-old girl having sex with a 15-year old boy? (this is pedophilia according to the American Psychological Association's Manual that tempest pulled up for us...although I also have to remark that I think psychologists are all a bunch of idiots engaging in a quack profession...and I am not sure their definition of pedophilia would be the legal definition either...then again it doesn't matter because in the USA I think an 18-year old boy having sex with a 17-year old girl is technically illegal too, regardless of what it is called. But at least there is no law in the USA against watching hentai anime which seems to be the case in Australia, lol).

Then again, since I'm a guy, I don't think a girl having sex with another girl is disgusting at all. Lol. And girls probably view homosexuality the same way I view lesbianism. So basically...everyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as no one is getting hurt in the process.

holocaust21 #fundie holocaust21.wordpress.com


A small bit of sanity in an otherwise depraved world:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522625/Jailed-Italian-paedophile-conviction-overturned-11-year-old-victim-says-loves-him.html

Italy’s supreme court ruled that a 60 year old man’s relationship with an 11 year old girl was a loving, consensual relationship and that the original conviction had failed to take that into account.

However, the man is now going to be retried – thanks to the lack of double jeopardy laws – and as we know the next judge will probably be some hateful feminist who will promptly double his original sentence.

It’s also worth noting that the comments on the daily mail website are utterly vile – all of them deny an 11 year old her right to sexual self determination and the 60 year old man his right to life, liberty and happiness. Presumably the commentators are either projecting their own failings in life onto another ‘scapegoating’, are just sexually jealous or are in the pay of the ‘child protection’ cartel.

Endersblade #fundie mmo-champion.com

http://news.sky.com/story/1125379/cps-suspends-lawyer-from-sex-abuse-cases


41 year old man walks free as judge callls 13 year old a Predator


Neil Wilson is 41 years old. He took a 13-year-old girl home, allowed her to strip and then engaged in what we must euphemistically refer to as a “sex act” with her. For this and other offences including the possession of eight images of child sexual abuse and eleven sexual images involving horses and dogs, he received an eight-month suspended sentence. But it’s not the lenience of the punishment that has pushed the case into the headlines. It's the comments of the prosecutor and judge.Neil Wilson, 41, faces having his eight-month suspended jail sentence reviewed after the Attorney General Dominic Grieve agreed to look into the case yesterday. And the Crown Prosecution Service was forced to admit that its own prosecutor acted “inappropriately” when he placed a portion of the responsibility upon the victim in court.
For more than two weeks, writer Caroline Criado-Perez has been leading a fight against the threats of violence online, which followed her banknote victory. Speaking today, she said: “This latest incident is the very front line of the sexism that still pervades UK society. For two weeks, Twitter has been awash rape and death threats against women who dare to speak out against abuse. The women are accused ‘provoking’ them.
“Now we have seen where this kind of attitude ends up: with what looks like a judge calling a 13-year-old girl a ‘sexual predator’ and letting her abuser off with a suspended sentence.”

I've had this conversation with a few of my friends, when one of my other friends got 'busted' for a similar thing - he was 20, his gf was 17, and they'd been dating since he was 17 and she was 14. He and his dad got into an argument over something unrelated, and his dad dimed him out to the cops. He is now and forever will be labeled a sex offender, and that is just complete and utter bullshit. I do not, in any way, condone the coercion and/or rape/abuse of underage kids, but for fuck's sake, 13 year olds know what the fuck they're doing, it's not like they don't know what the hell they're getting into when someone wants to have sex with them. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fucking blindly ignorant.

I have absolutely no bloody idea when or where or why this suddenly became taboo, people have been having relationships with pre-18 year olds for centuries, and now suddenly it's against the law. K. Seems legit. I personally have zero interest in someone that age; hell, I wouldn't date anyone under the age of 25, and even that's kinda pushing it. But some people have different tastes and different views. Again, as long as it's willful on both sides, who are we to judge?

I for one am GLAD that not only did he NOT get into trouble for this, but that SHE did, because at least it wasn't just an open and shut case where everyone was biased and automatically assumed foul play on his part against someone who didn't have any idea what she was doing...because obviously, she did. It's just refreshing to see such a change-up.

bobx23456 #fundie mens-rights.net

"A two-time candidate for governor who is charged with attempting to “entice” a 13-year-old girl and her 11-year-old sister to engage in “illegal sexual activity” says the allegations against him stem from a misunderstanding."

Once again the government ought to be minding its own f'ing business. This kind of anti-men hate campaign really burns my biscuits.

vizzle #fundie mmo-champion.com

I still don't like this To Catch A Predator bullshit. Some of them are out there looking, yes, but many of them are lured into it.


Thats the point. The real sick person there is the guy who is aggressivly pushing someone to do the deed, breaking down their will, then taking some moral ground for it.
Lol I mean when is the person who provokes someone into a fight ever truly innocent? Why is this any different?

Yep. The better way to stop girls from hooking up with men is for parents to wake up. That "To Catch A Predator" show is disgusting. So many of the victims on that show are average men just trolling around the internet, and a nice hot pie of sexy bait was put down right under their nose, offering themselves up willingly. If there wasn't any bait in the first place doing that, many of those men would have never even considered it. Ruin people's lives just for a tv show. You think that guy will keep his friends, his job, his family when they see that episode? It's horrible.


most states require a 4 year age gap for statutory rape
it's pretty fucked up how many of you in this thread are pro-pedophilia. you disgust me
vizzle: there is no way you feel bad for pedophiles who hook up with people who pretend to be 14 year old girls and you're not one yourself. normal people do not sympathize with grown men who look to fuck 14 year old girls

Nobody here is pro-pedophilia. We're saying that the way they lure these men is horrible.

Give a man a bomb, an empty room, and the person he hates the most in the world, and make him believe that nobody will ever know what happens, and you're sure to see an explosion. Would that man kill under normal circumstances though? Not always.


Do you take issue with police leaving bait cars out to catch thieves? I'm sure most wouldn't consider stealing a car if one wasn't left sitting right out in front of them, right? It doesn't matter whether there's a lure or not; any decent human being wouldn't even entertain the thought of banging a kid.

Considering men have been fucking young girls for all of written history except for the last hundred years or so because people suddenly decided it's taboo, and in some places around the world the legal consent is 14, I really don't understand this giant "OH MY GOD YOU'RE A PEDOPHILE" epidemic plaguing everyone. I'm not a pedophile, I'm not pro-pedophile, I'm anti-rape (of course) and I don't like it when girls are abused, but I think it's silly that all of a sudden we have to change the way humans think despite the fact that men have been doing it for centuries and still do, legally, in parts of the world.


Men have been killing people since the dawn of time. We've also raped women because they were below us. We also kept slaves. Do I need to seriously compile an entire thesis of things we've done up until the last century that we shouldn't have been doing in the first place?

Yes, but killing and raping have always been "bad". Men and girls getting married and raising families together was always normal.


if you think it's ok for a grown man to fuck a 14 year old kid, then you are a pedophile. just because they married off 14 year old kids and traded them for sheep in the dark ages when everyone died at 28 doesn't mean it's ok

You honestly should be infracted for spouting "pedophile" at everyone who has a different opinion from you. If a 14 year old girl wants to do it with a man, I see no reason why she shouldn't. It's the responsibility of the parents to make sure she is educated and knows about it, to make sure she won't do something stupid. Biologically, there is nothing wrong with a girl having sex at that age.


[Bali] 14 year old teen arrested on Drug charges
Australian authorities have confirmed that a 14-year-old boy from NSW has been arrested in Indonesia after allegedly being caught with drugs while on holiday in Bali.The boy was arrested on Tuesday, allegedly in possession of a small amount of marijuana.
He could face a lengthy jail term if convicted of possession charges, which carry a maximum penalty of 12 years in jail.

Can't really feel sorry for him, he knew the consequences when he did it.


HHe was 14, he probably didn't. 12 years? thats irrational. I don't do weed, but I dont even think it should be illegal, while alcohol isn't.

How would you not know that getting caught with drugs is illegal when you're 14? Unless you're completely unaware of the outside world (which I'm going to assume he isn't) a 14 year old, even if he doesn't know the ins and outs of the law completely, would definitely know that drugs = illegal.

John #fundie quora.com

-[on a 24 year old creeping on 14 year old girls]

I read through all the comments - people are talking such crap,

it’s illegal - so what? the question should be is it morally wrong?

& IT IS NOT MORALLY WRONG. people wrote she’s not mature or she’s emotionally and mentally not ready - that’s such crap. I’ve met girls in their twenties who are stupid and immature and who have no life experience, they were emotionally unbalanced and definitely not ready for a relationship.

Judge it biologically and historically:

If the girl had her period she’s biologically ready and historically speaking over a 100 years ago it was normal to marry at 12+ year old. All throughout history girls have been having sex from ages 8+ (even younger in some very rare cases). It’s only been considered abnormal in the last few decades. I have friends who’s grandmothers were married at 12. My great grandmother was 14 when she married a 28 year old. In both cases they bore many children and were perfectly happy healthy women.

this is such hypocritical bullshit, people say you can look but don’t touch. and than I read some saying “if she’s 18 its ok” - says who, WHO is dictating these rules?

There are girls who don’t reach puberty until they’re 17. So who would be considered more mature biologically, a girl who reached puberty at 9 and is than having sex at 13+ or a girl who hit puberty at 17 and is having sex a few months later??

I’m attracted to girls at that age range and there’s no shame in it, the only reason I wouldn’t act upon it is because I’d go to jail. For all you commenting here, if you were alive 100 years ago this discussion would not even exist. Just think about that.

& than I read more BS: people saying she doesn’t know what she want’s or she’s too young to decide for herself. That’s assumption and generalization. It is unfair to make such a sweeping generalization about every teen & frankly one of the main reasons they are immature and irresponsible (generally speaking) is because society treats teens like children and we don’t give them responsibilities.

Additionally anyone who says teen girls look like children and their physical bodies are still small - that’s another BS argument. I’ve seen girls as young as 10 who look like adults and I’ve seen females who are 18+ who look 10.

Just look at the porn industry; they make billions from the teen porn genre; some of the girls who are over 18+ look like children, (like: Kitty Jung, Amai liu, Gigi rivera, Marcela Rubita, Tiny tyler, Kobe Tai, Lucy Filipino, Little Cinderella, Anne Howe) to name a few.

Any argument which suggests it is morally wrong to be with a 14 year old is bound to be based on a sweeping generalization, or is culturally biased or is emotionally driven. basically;

USE SOME COMMON SENSE

Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah #fundie malaymail.com

Kelantan deputy MB: Child marriage ‘common’, LGBT a bigger issue

KUALA LUMPUR, July 4 — Malaysians should not amplify and sensationalise the issue of child marriages, Kelantan deputy mentri besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah said today after a case involving a man there caused public uproar.

Mohd Amar told Sinar Harian that child marriage has long been a common occurrence, and authorities should instead pay attention to “bigger issues” such as LGBT matters and zina, or illicit sex.

“I feel this issue should not be sensationalised. Like I always said, the issue of zina, children born out of wedlock, gays and lesbians, are bigger issues for the country.

“This issue is not wrong in religion, and should not be amplified as a national issue. It is an isolated case, not all men marry an 11-year-old,” he was quoted as saying.

He also insisted that the illegal wedding happened in southern Thailand and not in his state.

The Narathiwat Islamic Religious Council was reported as saying the couple were married by an imam in Kampung Padang Nyor, Mukim Munok, Sungai Golok, in Narathiwat.

Bernama reported earlier that the Kelantan police have opened an investigation paper on the child marriage involving an 11-year-old girl with a 41-year-old man in Gua Musang recently.

State police chief Datuk Hasanuddin Hassan said although there was no criminal element involved in the marriage, the case was opened on the grounds that the girl was an underage bride.

Choices4Life #fundie facebook.com

Our 11 year old is in labor right now. She is 35 weeks and doing fantastic busting every myth out there! She is strong and holding on to her faith in the Lord.


[[Why are you posting your 11 year old is doing great while is labor. No 11 year old should be in this predicament. Sad on so many levels I cannot even stand it.]]

If you don't want to read truth others do and they are cheering her on. RAPE is despicable but babies are lovable. Mothers at any age are able to tell the difference between a rapist and a baby. Sure wish other people could

In my experience they want their baby and have NO regrets years later having given life. But those who killed their own baby suffer greatly grieving for all their life


[[ I read all you typed...you're still forgetting this is an 11 YEAR OLD CHILD WHO IS NOT CAPABLE OF BEING A TRUE MOTHER!! And a baby from her that needs and deserves a true mature mother and father! !! You're starting to really scare me here.I'm kind of done. Nobody is truly thinking about the best interest of the CHILDREN involved here!!! Enough said.]]


YOU are DENYING that she already gave birth. She is NOT going to have ANY mothering responsibilities. YOU scare me because you act like she's being tortured or something. But killing her baby would have been just fine with you.

[[ Clearly you folks do not know how dangerous it is for a child that age to carry to term and I cant thin of anything more dehumanizing than having to carry your rapist’s baby for nine months. I don’t begrudge anyone their opinion about abortion, but to use this poor, victimized child as some kind of an avatar for your cause is exploitative and crass.
Shame on all of you.]]

Shame on you for pretending that your imagination is real. She had the baby and had NO complications with very little pain. She went on almost 2 weeks more to deliver a very healthy baby. She is enjoying her with all the joy any mother would have. She will NOT have any mothering responsibilities and continue to live as a child. She's a straight A student and if the bullies at her school will leave her alone she will go back in the fall. They were horrible like most on this page and she was removed from public school for her own safety.

wetwareproblem #fundie wetwareproblem.tumblr.com

keep in mind that this person is actually physically in their mid-late thirties and is talking about their multiple personalities or "headmates"/"alters" . The word "system" in this context refers to people with multiple personalities/"headmates"

I am 17 years old. This is not an age regression thing or anything like that; it is “I literally did not exist before a specific incident in 1999.” My body, however, is twice that age. I am the closest thing to a Responsible Adult in here; I am the voice of reason and restraint and caution and the one who tends to take care of adulting.

If I am in a relationship with a 23-year-old, is that gross and predatory? If so, who is abusing whom? Show your work.


This is common logic used by predators and pedos. You’re 17, but then use ur “physical age” to prove how ~wise and mature~ you are? If you mentally think ur 17 ur not a responsible adult then lol ur really not if ur mentally 17 like most of the other discoursers. Stop trying to act like ur some authority bc ur actually 30, but think ur really 17. A relationship w a 23 yr old obviously is not predatory on their part as ur not actually 17, and ur brain physically is developed past that point/you aren’t in highschool anymore. There’s a difference between you being actually 30 but mentally 17 and dating a 23 year old vs a real 17 yr old dating a 23 year old.

Are you also trying to imply that it’s fine for 23 year olds to date 17 year olds, like actual 17 year olds


HOLY FUCKING SHIT, pal. Not only do you have the actual facts involved completely ass-backward (try reading a post before replying to it, instead of trusting blatant lies), but you are actively encouraging child abuse here with a bonus side of ableism and dehumanization.

Please do systems everywhere a favour and stay far away from us. Your ideas about us are harmful and (I can’t emphasize this enough) encourage the actual abuse of literal children


I,,,, what, ? In ur original post you say try to pull weight/claim ur more adult/more mature than other 17 yr olds but u literally cannot have it both ways ? Like, you’ve claimed to be a real adult on other posts ur urs like using the fact ur actually 30 something as support for why you are right.

How am I encouraging child abuse and pedophillia since that’s what u tagged this as lol

One: You’d think that if we’re constantly leaning on our bio age for authority, as you claim, you would be able to actually get it right. You have not. That’s revealing.

Two: You’ve got your understanding of my situation ass-backward, because you listened to someone else’s lies instead of actually reading what you were replying to.

Three: You just said, in so many words, that it is okay for adults to date teenagers. This should be cause to seriously reevaluate what you’re saying and doing. And in the meantime, keep the fuck away from systems.


You said ur mentally 17 yet physically 30, then asked what those ~antis~ were gonna say about ur 23 yo partner ? Like unless u mean something else by antis? I assumed u we’re talking about people being anti pedophillia? Ur the one asking if the 23 yr old is abusing u, the mentally 17 yr old, is a condescending fashion??

Nope. Try again. I said I am literally 17. At this time in 1999, I did not exist. At this time in 2000, I (am reasonably sure I) did. If you scroll up very slightly, you can see this for yourself! Along with me mentioning that I am, in fact, the Responsible Adult in my system - that is, my maturity and responsibility level is considerably ahead of my chronological age

Still off-base. It’s almost like we don’t actually wave our age around as much as you claim!

So are you planning to address what I actually said, or still having fun being ableist as fuck and ignoring the fact that you literally said it was okay for adults to date teenagers?

Isawmysister #fundie reddit.com

[ about OP's 23 year old sister molesting her 11 year old adoptive brother ]

TIFU:By admitting to my parents that I helped pay my sister's bail

This can't be a serious TIFU. If it is, your sister molested a 11 year old boy and a family member at that. We're not talking statutory rape either, which is still wrong of course, but this is outright pedophilia and child molestation. She is a sexual predator and hopefully she gets some serious jail time. As for you, well, I think your actions are indefensible and you deserve whatever consequences come your way.

Well, I posted on ELI5 and since my brother is 11(10 when it started) my sister isn't a pedophile, but more likely a hebephile.She may be a predator, but she does not need jail time.My sister needs help not prison.


She intentionally harmed another person, even worse she harmed a child. If anything deserves prison that's it. I'm not sure what the folks in ELI5 said but someone who molests a 10 year old I think qualifies as a pedophile.

Honestly I'm not sure if she actually hurt my brother.My brother was fine at the time of the sexual contact and he only changed and became gloomy when she left.He keeps telling me and our parents how much he misses our sister.I think there's a certain age of the child where the perpetrator becomes a hebephile and not a pedophile and 11 is around the age where it enters into hebephile territory

11 is at the very bottom end, and you said it started when he was 10. She's a pedophile. Your sister is sick and frankly you sound a little sick yourself. Hopefully your sister spends a good amount of her life in prison. And given your indifference to your brother being victimized I hope you see some life altering consequences yourself...you def seem to need a reality check.

Well than I have to disagree with you.As I said many times my sister doesn't need jail time she needs help.Fortunately she's an attractive, white woman from an affluent family who's done a lot of good in our community.If what the things I've read is correct than she'll probably get a lenient sentence and that's what I'm praying for.

You are almost as bad as your sister. I feel bad for your poor brother, and I hope that your parents send you away so that he doesn't have to live with your disgusting pedophile enabling behavior. He deserves siblings that don't rape him, and siblings that don't enable his rapist and then diminish what he went through.

I know it's not the politically correct thing to say,but I do doubt whether my sister hurt my brother.I've gotten a lot of pms saying that they consensually had sex at ages 10 and 11 and they turned out fine.I also remember there was a thread where people lost their virginities at young ages and they turned out fine as well.My brother was fine at the time of the sexual contact, but he's gloomy now because he misses our sister.He keeps telling me how much he misses Lily
I'm not defending what she did I'm just trying to help and care for her to the best of my abilities.

Persiana #fundie canadaka.net

[ I thought you were somewhere in your 20s. It's fairly typical of the younger generations (and I include myself there, as most "feminists" are older than I am) to feel the job's been done, without realizing what all they did for us. And no, there's still more to be done. Wages might not matter to you, and it's great that you're in a position where your work is values, but that's not the case for everyone.

I just reread your last line... sexual harassment isn't about women inviting comments. I thought we were long past the time when we blamed the victim. ]


Lily in feeling as if the job is done, I'm not simply disregarding what has been accomplished. I'm not unaware of what all they did for us at all, I'm very aware of it. Yes there is probably stuff that can still be done, but I disagree that it needs to be dealt with in an extremist manner, by extremists. If on individual levels women are unhappy with their work, we have the voice & we have the power now to do something about it. Sitting & bitching isn't doing anything. Change jobs, or report the issue to the higher powers, and if necessary, report the issue to people outside of the company. Crying "woe is me" and doing nothing, doesn't fix the problem either.

Sexual harassment in SOME cases isn't about women inviting comments. In many cases, I agree 100%. I do however, think that there are also SOME women out there, who DO invite comments. You can't dress like a hooker, and expect to be treated like a lady.

[ Wow, you could be an Australian Cleric. Some girls who dress slutty are experimenting, some don't want to be talked to by like a lady, and some might wear the t-shirt "Just because I'm a slut doesn't mean I'll sleep with you" ouch.

If only the gay boys took to such reasoning. He was wearing a tank top, I could just tell he wanted it. Nope, not going to fly. Want to have sex? get consent. A bikini does not signify consent. ]


Your reasoning might work except your examples are lacking.

If girls who are wearing t-shirts and self-proclaiming themselves sluts, they have little respect for themselves and can hardly cry unfair when they get treated like a slut.

I never said bikini's signified consent. However, if you're 14 years old with breasts just popping out of your chest and you're running around in hooker boots and booty shorts where half your ass hangs out (No, not just short shorts, I mean booty shorts where half your ass really IS hanging out) and a bikini top or some other fragile excuse for clothing, and you get spoken to with disrespect, and you get treated with disrespect, then my point is that they can't really place the entire blame on the other party. The disrespect began with themselves.

[ Again sorry, this does not signify disrepect on the part of the girls or the apropriatness of a fifty year old man to offer his services ]

I suppose it depends on the individual, really. There's the girls who are simply too young & ignorant, and rather unfortunately have parents who simply don't care... they usually grow into young adults who also don't care, it has a rather snowball effect. There's also the 'rebels' ...the girls who do come from perfectly good homes, who rebel against their parents morals and do so by being as scantily clad as they can without getting arrested for public indecency. Women and girls who dress "nicely" are fine. Women and girls who dress "slutty" and "Skanky" are not so fine. I do not look at them & think "Wow, they look fine!" although you as a male perhaps are doing so without even realizing how shockingly low these girls self-esteem truly is. Healthy sexuality does not mean that they have to sleep with everybody who pays them a compliment, nor does "slut" equal healthy sexuality. A girl who wears a "slut" t-shirt and takes a 50 year old guy up on his offers, isn't healthy. I rather prefer the girls who can actually realize the inappropriateness of the fifty year old man offering his services that you mentioned, than the ones who don't. Both types of girls exist but when they dress the same way, how is the 50 year old guy supposed to be able to tell them apart? Get it yet? Its a learning curve. 50 year old guy has probably learned that he has better luck with skanks than classy women, so those are the ones he offers his services to.


Yes, some girls are just experimenting and some quickly learn that isn't the way they want to be seen. I see 12/13/14 year olds walking around here, wearing stiletto boots, miniskirts (and I mean *MINI*) and crop tops with their bellies hanging out & these miniskirts aren't even like the 80's miniskirts, these are mini on the leg & mini on the hips. I quite literally have underwear which covers more than these skirts do.

Am I saying "all the blame rests with the victims" no, not by a long shot. However, like I said before, common sense should prevail. If a woman makes herself an easy target for lewd remarks and sexual harassment, common sense should speak to reason, and she should realize that if she dressed less slutty, she'd get treated with more respect. We don't live in the age of ignorance. If a woman is working late & its dark outside & her car is parked on the far side of a dimly lit underground parking lot, is she to blame if she gets attacked? No, but YES there are preventative methods available in most of these instances, to keep stuff like this from happening. Ie, have a security guard escort you to your car.


Basically you reap what you sow.

If you disrespect yourself, and show it through your own method of dress, you cannot expect respect from others.

If you ignore common sense for dangerous situations, then yes you ARE partially at fault for the fact that it even happened and YES there WERE ways that you could've prevented it from happening, in many instances.

Women want "equal status" except they want to hang onto their "vulnerable" female helpless status at the same time? I don't think so. Physically we are no match for most men, that is fact. Mentally we could be equal if we'd stop placing ALL the blame elsewhere & started using our brains and common sense.


[ Well, I couldn't dissagree with you more. I have a great deal of respect for women with healthy sexualities and the strength to be themselves... that is respect. That doesn't mean that they want to be abused or that every lad is in their market. Raping a slut doesn't mean that you're man enough to deserve her. ]

I too have a great deal of respect for women who have healthy sexualities and the strength to be themselves. There IS a difference, however, between a woman with a healthy sexuality, and a woman who is insecure & needy for attention, and dresses herself in a manner that ensures she gets the attention whether its positive or negative. I don't know what kind of world you might live in, but where I live "slut" is not a complimentary term.

Unnamed members of Paraguayan government #fundie feministing.com

The Paraguayan government is denying a 10-year-old girl the abortion care she and her parents want. The girl, whose name will not be released, was raped by her stepfather and did not realize until 20 weeks in that she was pregnant. However, abortion is illegal in Paraguay except in cases of extreme threat to the woman’s life, and the government is not making an exception for her case.

Pregnancy at such a young age is actually very dangerous, notes Tara Culp-Ressler at ThinkProgress. Girls under the age of 16 are at four times greater risk of dying in childbirth and are much more likely to have medical complications. In fact, 28 minors died last year of pregnancy complications in Paraguay alone.

We’ve seen this problem of putting politics before women’s lives throughout Latin America. Last year, Chile denied an 11-year-old girl the abortion she needed and not long before her, El Salvador almost let 22-year-old Beatriz die instead of allowing her to terminate a pregnancy. If you need more proof that this problem is systemic, Mexico has imprisoned women for miscarrying, and there are currently 17 women sitting in jail in El Salvador for terminating their pregnancies.

Denying women abortions isn’t simply about religion and a difference of opinion. It’s about denying women their basic freedom to bodily autonomy, health, and even life in some cases. In fact, the UN has compared blocking access to abortion with torture. Says Culp-Ressler: “Under international human rights law, reproductive rights are recognized as a critical aspect of reducing maternal mortality, and UN officials regularly call on countries with particularly harsh abortion bans to remove unnecessary restrictions on the procedure.”

Banning abortion risks women’s lives and doesn’t protect children. It protects power.

Subliminal Portal #fundie emmatheemo.wordpress.com

Laws aren’t designed for individual exceptions, they’re based on the average or even lowest common denominator. My twelve year old is ready to drive a car, but most 12 year olds can’t, so he can’t legally.
MOST thirteen year olds are not emotionally mature by any extent of the imagination, which makes them more easily exploitable and impressionable. In medicine there’s something called informed consent and I think it’s applicable to age of consent as well.


But you know something, Liz? I don’t think this whole age of consent thing is as black and white as Americans would like for it to be. Society too often thinks that adolescent girls having relationships with males older than what their parents might normally approve of is something always doomed from the start, whereas same-age adolescent relationships can never go wrong. I beg to differ.

Take the example of actress Tippi Hedren who starred in the 1963 Alfred Hitchcock movie “The Birds.” When her daughter, actress Melanie Griffith, was 13 years old, Tippi Hedren starred in a movie with then 22-year old actor Don Johnson back in the early 1970s. That is how Don Johnson met Melanie Griffith. Shortly thereafter, Melanie Griffith started dating Don Johnson despite their age difference. Much to her mother’s disapproval, when Melanie Griffith was 14 years old, she moved in with Don Johnson. Eventually Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith got married. Tippi Hedren could have pressed criminal charges against Don Johnson any time she wanted to, and he would have gone to prison on a conviction of “statutory rape” in that event and served many years behind bars. However, she didn’t, because, unlike many other American parents, she had at least the decency to talk things out with her daughter and not make any snap judgments that might have ruined her parental relationship with her daughter forever.

Melanie Griffith and Don Johnson’s relationship may not have been the most conventional one at first or perfect one, but they were together for a long, long time both on and off. They were even married at one point in their relationship as I mentioned previously. Even Oprah Winfrey expressed no objection to this relationship upon mentioning it to her audience, when she invited Melanie Griffith onto her TV talk show, which is quite rare on Oprah’s part, because she has always been so hell-bent on opposing adolescent girls being in relationships with adult men no matter how close in age difference they are, particularly ones that involve intimacy.

Then, on the other hand, you look at the fact that Macauley Culkin and Rachel Miner were both 17 years old when they got married in 1998. Everyone thought that they looked so cute together and would say, “Awwww. They grew up together. Don’t they make such a cute couple? Like two lovebirds in a tree. High school sweethearts in love.” Well, their marriage ended in disaster after 2 years (legally after 4 years). Macauley Culkin eventually became a train wreck, and since then Rachel Miner has been in mostly Class B roles where she either has played a trollop or a deranged individual. At one point, it was even rumored that Macauley Culkin had died two years ago, because he was so messed up on drugs. Now when you look at Melanie Griffith and Don Johnson, even though they had their fair share of bumps on the road of life, they both have had very prosperous acting careers and they turned out pretty good. Macauley Culkin and Rachel Miner didn’t. So the point is, Liz, that the Puritanical establishment is not always right about these things, and people have the right to question the age of consent laws in our country.
Now people here in the United States of America have been making a big stink over this one couple over in the People’s Republic of China whose relationship began on similar circumstances as Melanie Griffith and Don Johnson. Two years ago when 24-year old Chinese pop singer, Zhang Muyi, began dating 12-year old Chinese-Canadian model Akama Miki, American news commentators were all over it and Americans were posting hateful remarks about it everywhere on the Internet. I mean, this couple lives clear on the other side of the world, and yet Americans are up in arms about them. This Chinese couple has one of the most formal courtships I’ve ever heard of, and yet accusations of moral turpitude are still flying at Zhang Muyi from all directions, mainly from Americans, even after two years that they’ve been together. How did so many Americans get to be this hostile about this sort of thing?

Everyone can’t marry their same-age high school sweetheart like Macauley Culkin did. And who would even want to be Macauley Culkin? His marriage to Rachel Miner represents the crassness and shallowness of many same-age adolescent relationships in the American culture. I mean, at least Zhang Muyi seems like he has more going on in the brains department than Macauley Culkin could ever have in a lifetime. Macauley Culkin is about as goofy in real life as he was in the movie “Home Alone.” If his aunt, actress Bonnie Bedelia, hadn’t been in show business to open doors for him in the entertainment industry when he was a little kid, his acting career would likely never have seen the light of day.

I don’t mean to rain on your parade, Liz. However, if you’re on a quest for an age-appropriate Utopia where adolescents can grow sexually with their own peers, I can guarantee you that you’ll never find it, because it doesn’t exist, except mostly in the minds of those who choose to go on living in a white picket fence fantasy world. Perhaps this logic worked back in 1957, but it doesn’t work anymore. And why would society even want go back to 1957? That was well before my time and most likely before your time. That decade’s value system has been obsolete for a long, long time. Call me a bleeding liberal if you must. However, whenever I come across a story like the one about the above Chinese couple, I find myself following the lyrics of this song here faithfully.>>>>Click onto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcowVi2AP-8
Also this song too.>>>>Click onto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqGIwX8BG4

Finally, the criminal justice system has been given too much power and authority over the private lives of many people here in the United States of America. The Draconian age of consent laws in our country are greatly to blame for it. At the same time, the real criminals are getting away with everything under the sun, because they have the entire system figured out and the system has been allowed to spread itself too thin in society’s efforts to make us into this perfect civilization that resembles a re-run of “Father Knows Best” or “Leave It To Beaver.” As much as I regret to say it, it’s the truth.

William Schnoebelen #fundie chick.com

Therefore, here are just a handful of the tragic deaths reported (as of this writing) to be related to D&D:

The "Freeway Killer," Vernon Butts, who committed suicide in his cell in 1987 while being held as a suspect in a string of murders, was an avid D&D player.51
D&D player (14 years old) commits suicide by hanging, 1979, name withheld by parents' request.
D&D player (17 years old) Michael Dempsey, Lynnwood, WA. suicide by gunshot wound to the head, 5/19/81. Witnesses saw him trying to summon up D&D demons just minutes before his death.
D&D player (age not mentioned) Steve Loyacano, Castle Rock, CO., suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning, 10/14/82. Police report satanic writings and a suicide note liked the death to D&D.
D&D player (21 years old) Timothy Grice, Lafayette, CO., suicide by shotgun blast, 1/17/83. Detective reports noted, "D&D became a reality. He thought he was not constrained to this life, but could leave [it] and return because of the game."
D&D player (18 years old) Harold T. Collins, Marion, OH., suicide by hanging, 4/29/83. Collins was noted to be "possessed" by D&D as if he were living the game.
D&D player (16 years old) Daniel Erwin, Lafayette, CO., murder by brother's shotgun blast to head, 11/2/84 (right after Halloween). Death was apparently the result of a death pact as part of the game.
D&D player (12 years old) Steve Erwin (see above) suicide by gunshot, 11/2/84. Detective report: "No doubt D&D cost them their lives."52
D&D player (no age given) Joseph Malin, Salt Lake City, UT., pled guilty to first degree murder 3/2/88 and was sentenced to life in prison. He killed a 13-year-old girl while acting out the fantasy-role game. The girl had been raped, her throat cut, and she had been stabbed twice in the chest. Police said his "violent urges were fed by 'extreme involvement in the fantasy role-playing game Dungeons and Dragons.'"53
D&D player (14 years old) Tom Sullivan, Jr. got into Satanism and ended up stabbing his mother to death, arranging a ritual circle (from D&D) in the middle of the living room floor and lit a fire in its midst. Fortunately, his dad and little brother were awakened by a smoke detector; but by then, Tom, Jr. had slashed his wrists and throat with his Boy Scout knife and died in the snow in a neighbor's yard. (1/19/88, Amarillo, TX).54
D&D player Danny Remeta went on an eight-state crime spree, including murder. In an interview in the DETROIT FREE PRESS, he asked, "Have you ever heard of Dungeons and Dragons? That had a lot to do with it … It is not just a board game. It's a lot deeper than a board game. I've got five friends that are locked up for the same thing [murder] right now because of the game."55
D&D player (14 years old) Sean Sellers was convicted of killing his parents and a convenience store clerk in Greeley, Oklahoma (1/11/87). He was the youngest inmate of death row in the country before being executed for his crimes. His involvement in hard-core Satanism began with D&D, according to his own testimony. Praise the Lord; he became a Born Again Christian some time before his execution!56

Samurai kenji #fundie runescape.salmoneus.net

['Nosey' mum saved teen from sex attack .A teenager who was groomed online by a paedophile has been warning others about hidden internet dangers, after being saved from a sex attack by her "nosey" mother.]

Honestly the age of consent needs to be lowered, if you can bleed you can breed. My mom was 13 when she had me and my dad was in his mid 20's my mom knew what she was getting into and was mature enough to handle the consequences as would any other 13 year old if western parents stopped babying there children until they turn 20. She has boobs she can bleed its not paedophelia its no worse then having a petite fetish.

[at 12 (if shes in year 7 at school) shes only just started learning about puberty and how her bodies changing. It wont be 1 or 2 years later till she'd properly learn about the full extent of sex and relationships. Involving contraceptives and pregnancy prevention.]

Which is a fault of the educational system just because we don't have to rush through life anymore doesn't mean we have to baby our teenagers. When a girl starts bleeding out her peehole it means that nature says she's good to go. She can say no if she wants and i'll respect that but I hold natures standards high above societies you might find that sick but i find you sick for conforming to what a bunch of grouchy old men say is good and bad. Personally i wouldn't be interested in a 12 year old simply because they tend to be whiny, irritating and superficial but if i were a little hornier, it was legal and the girl asked, yes i'de go for it. Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescents unless the girl is a really late bloomer then she's pubescent and if you think that pubescent sexual relations are "disgusting" and wrong then you'd better all go out and buy your purity rings.

[I also think that a young girl who faces something like pregnancy will struggle, they are too young to go through that]

My Mom was 13 when she had me my grandma was somewhere in the 14-15 range as was my grandma, great grandma and great great grandma all of them and myself were fathered by men almost twice there age but we all turned out fine. Once you've hit puberty maturity is a matter of conditioning parents need to realise that there kids aren't kids anymore and they need to start learning to be adults pretty damn soon.

[Preconception is not fail proof. Actually a Clan Leader of a Runescape Clan I was once in got his girlfriend pregnant because of a teared condom (although both were in university at the time) and the girl was raised heavily catholic and refused an abortion whereas]

pfft if she was a real catholic she wouldn't be wearing a condom anyways. I agree sex can have serious consequences but in reality a 12 year old isn't much less capable then a 16 year old girl and we all know that most people are getting laid somewhere around there (infact i think the average was 13 years old last time i checked).

[fudge i hate pedophiles]

Except he's not a pedophile she's got tits (small as they likely are) and she should be on her period therefore he's not trying to have a sexual relationship with a child he wants one with an adolescent and considering he's 20 thats not all that uncommon. My last girlfriend was 15 (i was 18) she was no more of a teen then the 12 year old girl and i was no less of an adult then the "creepy man". As i've said i have my doubts that she actually "accidentally" gave her number to the man so i'm pretty sure she knew what she was getting into.

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

For a movie scene to be sexually-suggestive, it does not necessarily have to show people having sex. In fact, 95% of TV's sexually-suggestive scenes contain no sex. ALL Hollywood movies contain demonic influences. Sadly, ChristianityToday magazine recommends many vile Hollywood films, including PAN'S LABYRINTH and AVATAR. In AVATAR, Sigourney Weaver's first appearance films her cursing in God's name. Why would ChristianityToday promote this filth? Pan's Labyrinth is highly suggestive of pedophilia. That's who Pan is... a sexual deviate and rapist, a total sex-pervert!

By the way, one big truth that the newsmedia has completely ignored is that nearly all the pedophilia within the Roman Catholic Church has been committed by homosexual priests. Up to half of all priests are homosexuals. Here's a lengthy list of Hollywood's homosexual movies. It is not a mere coincidence that Hollywood, which is absolutely homosexual to the core, is also a bunch of scum of the earth pedophiles. Hollywood is a thousand times worse than Sodom and Gomorrah.

In Steven Spielberg's 2012 movie, SUPER 8 (rated PG-13), a young group of teenagers are the film's stars. There's a 12 year old girl, Alice (real name: Mary Elle Fanning, younger sister of Actress Dakota Fanning). The Fanning's are Southern Baptists... go figure! It is apostasy! Mary's 12 years old in real life during the filming of Super 8 (she's 13 now in 2012). In multiple scenes in the film the slang, lewd and vile term “pus_y” (vagina) is used by one of the young boys in the presence of the 12 year old girl. The girl blushes when “pus_y” is mentioned. The boy apologize for using the world. She blushes some more and says “It's ok.” It's not ok! They paid these teenagers in real life to deliberately talk filthy, shamefully and disgracefully. What kind of sick-minded pervert would write a movie script for teens to talk like this? The answer is Jacob J. Abrams, a Jew. The term is used again later in the film in the girl's presence... “pus_y” (vagina). I hate Hollywood and so does God, far more than any of us could ever imagine. I am so glad that God will have the final say, when he punished the entire world for all their evil and wickedness (Isaiah 13:11).

The film's Director, Jacob J. Abrams is a piece of trash (Jewish), along with the film's Producer, Steven Spielberg (Jewish). For them to use the word “pus_y” in front of a 12 year old girl, Mary Elle Fanning is sinful and ought to be criminal (and it may be). Why is it that perverted elite Jews in Hollywood can pay children actors to talk sexually-perverted, but if Joe Citizen did he'd go to prison? They should all be tried and put behind bars for corrupting American society with their Jewish culture of debauchery and sleaze.

#1933741 #fundie fstdt.com

[Anon-e-moose
"One of the common claims is that Mary was probably only a little girl of 12-14 years old. The reason given for this is that it was "common custom" in those days to marry girls off that young. It is also suggested by some that Joseph must have been much older than she was because he appears to have died early. There is no mention of him after Jesus was 12 years old. This is an assumption and not necessarily based on the custom of the time.]

I don't think we can determine Joseph's age, but I think it is not likely that Mary was as young as some people represent her.

First of all, while I realize that Joseph and Mary were already espoused - but not officially married - I find it interesting that her parents don't even get an honorable mention here. We're not introduced to her as "Mary the daughter of _________". Added to that, Mary gets a lot more "press" than even Joseph does, especially in this passage. If Mary was just a little 12 to 14 year old girl betrothed to marry an older man, that seems a little bit odd. In such a case her parents would have still held a large place in her life because Joseph hadn't taken her yet, Matthew 1:18-20.

Some people might like to use this to show that a girl/woman belongs to her husband-to-be immediately upon betrothal/espousal, but that doesn't exactly make sense. When a young lady is promised in marriage, but not yet taken, and is still in her father's home, she must be in a situation of being answerable to both men for a time of transition. Assuming Mary was only 12-13 years old, she would surely have been living with parents or guardians still. One would expect that either Joseph or Mary's father would have been the main character being dealt with by God, and yet neither one is. That is a very interesting point and makes it hard for me to believe that she was that young. The fact that God deals directly with her and there is no mention of her father makes it seem likely that she was a good bit older than that, especially since in v. 39 she apparently travels by herself to see her cousin, Elisabeth.

Another reason I don't believe Mary was such a young girl is because in Mark chapter 5 we meet Jairus who came to Jesus pleading with Him to heal his daughter. In Mark 5:23 we read, And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live. Jesus went to the house and raised the girl from the dead, and in vs. 41-42 the scripture says, And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment. First, it is just my observation that a man who expected to marry his daughter off in a year or less just might not be calling her his "little daughter" at age 12. I realize that emotions could be blamed for his use of this expression, but somehow it just doesn't ring true. But, more than that, the word "Talitha" is thought to be a diminutive word meaning "little girl", as opposed to a young woman. We might infer from that that Jesus also did not consider her a young woman of marriageable age.

Which leads to another point which I think is even more important. Just because something is the "common custom" of a given era, it does not follow that all those who love God and follow His word will be doing that thing. Imagine if this earth went on another 2000 years and much of our present history was lost along the way. Some "scholar" who was supposedly "in the know" might portray us all as having tattoos because "it was the common custom" of that day. And, yet, would that be true? No! Certainly not. Some of us don't have tattoos for Biblical reasons, in fact. Mary and Joseph both were obviously people who loved the Lord and followed His commandments. It is more likely that Mary was raised by parents who loved God than otherwise. They would not follow the customs of the day just because that is what everyone else was doing - even if the "good, godly" folks at the synagogue thought it was fine. There were a lot of things the "good, godly" people of their day were doing that Jesus later rebuked!

Furthermore, we know that the early Christians in the Roman Empire did not typically practice early marriage for their young girls. In his book, The Book that Made Your World, Vishal Mangalwadi writes (p. 284), "Christians also expressed their respect for women by raising the age of marriage. Roman law established twelve as the minimum age at which girls could marry. But the law was nothing more than a recommendation...and was routinely ignored. The best available studies show that in the Roman Empire the pagans' daughters were three time more likely than Christians to marry before they were thirteen. By age eleven, 10 percent were wed. Nearly half (44 percent) of the pagan girls were married off by the time they were fourteen, compared to 20 percent of the Christians. In contrast, nearly half (48 percent) of the Christian females did not marry before they were eighteen."

My point is that the people Mary was associated with - Zacharias, Elisabeth and Joseph - were all godly people who loved the Lord. Mary herself was obviously a godly woman. It is possible that Joseph and Mary had been betrothed at an early age, but he had not taken her yet, and based on some of the other things I've already mentioned, it seems more than likely that she was older than the legendary 12-13 years at the time this account opens.

My last reason for not believing that Mary was a little 12-13 year old girl is that it is not physically safe for a girl that young to have children. If no one else was watching out for Mary's safety you can count on the fact that God was! My loving, kind heavenly Father would not impregnate a girl that young and physically immature. He just wouldn't do it. He is not that kind of God. That kind of behavior is found in gods in other religions, but not in God Almighty, the Faithful and True. Of Him it is said, He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young. Isaiah 40:11 If there is no other reason to know that Mary was not that young it is this. The God we know and trust simply wouldn't do that to one of His daughters. (Yes, men might do this; men who professed to fear God might do this; but remember that in this case God was the one calling the shots, fulfilling the prophecy, and ordering every event. He was fully in charge in a way we don't always see when He's dealing with sinful men.)....
http://www.homemakerscorner.com/bible-study-Luke-section2.html

Please stop calling mary a little girl. She was not a little girl. STOP ACCUSING GOD!

AngelRho #fundie wrongplanet.net

12-Year-Old Negligent And Responsible For Own Rape' http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/05/1141331/school-district-claims-student-was-herself-responsible-for-being-raped/?mobile=nc


Whatever differences of opinion we have, this is just awful. I don't mean to be insensitive, but I am a little bit concerned as to whether the district really is at fault here. One guy committed suicide over this, and another teacher is behind bars. Was it individual teachers that abused this girl, or did the whole district abuse her? If the district was aware of it and just looked the other way as long as nobody was running their mouths, and then just passed the trash when things looked iffy, then I could see how they were at fault. Maybe if other victims of this dead guy were receiving compensation from the district, I could see that. I could be more wholeheartedly sympathetic to her cause. Otherwise it just looks like another person reaching for money.

But, I mean, come on... The courts will decide that, I guess. The lawyers ought to know better than to use "blame the victim" language in their defense. I don't see how the district is going to weasel out of paying SOME damages. Saying it's the victim's own fault isn't going to reduce damages. If anything, the judge will stick it to 'em for their lawyers being idiots.

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Playing devil's advocate here, but is there ever a legit "blame the victim" scenario? I can't think of any intelligent examples at the moment... Something like a neighbor builds a fire in his backyard, maybe burning leaves or a bonfire, or something. The girl next door decides it will be fun to play in it and ends up getting 3rd degree burns, lung damage from smoke inhalation, etc. Is it fair to sue the guy just for building a fire? Or is it the burn victim's fault for being stupid?

No one in his right mind, myself included, will ever argue that having sex with someone without their consent is OK. However, a young woman has some degree of manipulating her odds. Does she dress provocatively and go to parties where she KNOWS there will be alcohol, drugs, and guys with too much blood in their testosterone system? I'd say she has more of a likelihood of her clothes just falling off and passing out on someone else's bed than, say, someone who dresses conservatively and prefers nice, quiet evenings at home with a glass of wine and a good book.

Similarly, everyone who lives in Greenville, MS, knows that unless you're a drug dealer, a prostitute, a gang member, or you're going to eat at Doe's (preferably before sunset), you have no business hanging out on Nelson Street. No, it's not your fault if you get robbed or shot. But you're not going to win any points with cops or judges for being an idiot! If a white person wants to avoid racial tension after dark, he stays south of US 82.

I know comparing abusive teachers to frat parties is apples/oranges, but defense is claiming the girl was "negligent," which is why they are going to fail. Negligence defenses don't work for frat parties, and they certainly aren't going to work here.

But what I can't understand is why with so many women teachers going to jail for messing with male underage students haven't succeeded in a variation of the negligence defense, especially when we're talking about young, green, attractive women teachers. As a male teacher right out of college, I took assignments where the dating pool was narrow if not non-existent. I can't even begin to imagine the psychology of a woman who goes from an overabundance of male attention to none at all. Being horrendously teased by horny male students can't help matters. So...the teacher just "happens" to need to run out to her car during her planning period, the student just "happens" to be taking a shortcut through the parking lot on his way to weight-lifting. Nobody will ever know. Not until the sex tape ends up on YouTube, anyway, and it will be his parents who bring charges.

Y'know, seduction is sometimes used as part of a rape accusation. In the olden days, young teachers running one-room schools on the frontier were often rape victims. Why is it so different now? Maybe the girl has no business teaching if she lacks the maturity to avoid that kind of manipulation. But rape is rape, and it makes no difference if it is through seduction or brute force.

I honestly don't think it works the other way, i.e. 12-year-old girls don't rape grown men.

But let's (for the sake of argument) turn this back around on the victim. If it is well-known among students that a certain male teacher is a horn-dog and a young girl KNOWINGLY and willfully puts herself in a position to be "exploited" (note the use of scare quotes here), I'd say the district has a good case for accusing the victim of negligence.

Angel Rho, a TWELVE year old girl could walk into the teacher's lounge stark naked and drunk, and plaster herself to a male teacher who's the only other person there, and it STILL wouldn't be her fault if she was raped. She was TWELVE.

[CAUTION: Devil's advocate alert]

But we don't know any extenuating circumstances. Why is she naked? Why is she drunk? Is it her fault for being either? It's possible. Did she know there might be one or more teachers in the teacher's lounge? Well, it IS the teacher's lounge, after all. It stands to reason there very likely could be at least one teacher in there. And there's a 50/50 chance that the teacher is male--you only get two options here. And how do you know it's rape? It could be consensual. And don't pull "can't legally consent" on me. I don't care what the law says. 12-year-olds are capable of "wanting it." I was 12 once, and I wasn't a year or two older than that when I discovered that there were girls roughly that age who already knew what dry-humping is and one or two who had already started having sex. It's a friggin miracle I was still a virgin at 19. Like it or not, consensual sex does happen at pre-teen and early teen years. And I don't buy for one second that they all care whether they are being "used" by someone in a position of trust, because "using" and "being used" is a two-way street.

Now, assuming that same drunk, naked 12-year-old walked into a teacher's lounge and a crusty, old, Coach Hardon happens to be in there and he DOES rape her, i.e. non-consentual sex, then no, it's not her fault for getting raped. But it IS her fault for being stupid, i.e. getting drunk, running around naked, and going inside a teacher's lounge where students aren't ever allowed. It was her poor judgment and poor choices that put her in that position in the first place.

That's assuming the middle school football team didn't kidnap her, force her to drink and strip, and chase her through the school only to have her duck in the lounge to hide or get help, only to be taken advantage of by Coach Hardon.

But if that's not what's going on, if this is something analogous to frat-party antics, and if the girl makes herself vulnerable by making stupid choices, she is negligent. She's spitting into the wind. If you run out into a busy street, you don't get to sue someone when they run over you with a car.

People who commit rape deserve to be brought to justice. Coach Hardon is going to lose his teaching creds, lose his career, lose any hope of functioning in society for being a pedophile, and spend a significant amount of time in prison. It doesn't matter if she consented or not (realistically). I don't dispute that, nor do I dispute that victims of rape deserve justice. Neither am I in favor of a "blame the victim" mentality.

But there is another side to all this, and that is the side of the accused and anything or anyone associated with him. On the one hand, the accused has the right to due process. The accusations could be false, after all, and what REALLY happened was the coach said something she didn't like at P.E.--something like "you MUST wear shoes to play dodgeball." I dunno. So she chugs some vodka, strips, attacks the coach in the teacher's lounge, and when the principal rushes in to see what the ruckus is all about, she points and says "HE made me do it!! !" The guy gets fired on the spot, and if there's a case in court it's going to be her word against his, and who do you think the judge is going to believe?

10 years later and the same girl is .02 away from graduating from college with honors, so it pisses her off. She thinks about it and decides maybe she can recoup on her student loans a little, so she sues the school district for damages. All this when the wrongdoing was entirely on her part.

Purely hypothetical, I know, but not unrealistic. So I think we have to be careful how we pursue sensitive matters of seeking justice for rape when there is so much room to unfairly manipulate the system.

Back in the real world, this person was abused by two teachers, not the entire school and not the administration. Her case is against those who did her harm. One of her bullies is dead and the other will never have a normal life. I feel for her and recognize what happened to her was awful and perhaps she can't live a normal life because of it. But you punish the guilty, not the innocent, and I don't see how there is anything left to be done. With all due respect to this woman and all she went through, this lawsuit reeks of frivolity. She thinks she has someone by the balls, so she's going to play this for all it's worth. And I'm not sure why. Is it just the money? Revenge motive? Closure? Just because she can? I've never been raped, and I'm not a woman, so I can't speak for a female rape victim. But I just don't see how any of this is really going to make her feel any better. Unless she comes to terms with what happened spiritually and emotionally, and for all I know she already has, she'll never "get over it" if that's even possible. I don't know what more there can be done or what more there SHOULD be done. I don't see how making an entire district responsible for what two individuals did is going to solve anything. I'm sure the details are probably more convoluted than what we get from the article, which seems more commentary than informative, but just based on what I've read so far that's all I have for you.

Selwyn Duke thenewamerican.com

This could only happen in the age of “transgender” ideology. In Brazil, a woman and her lesbian partner removed her nine-year-old son’s penis, claiming that he “wanted to be a girl.” A year later they murdered him, with the mother stating that she hated her son because he reminded her of her father.
As the Pluralist reports:
Rosana Auri da Silva Candido and Kacyla Priscyla Santiago Damasceno Pessoa on May 31 stabbed the boy to death in his sleep, cut him into pieces and tried to burn the body party [sic] on a grill at their home, Metropoles reported last week, citing the police. Candido is the biological mother of the boy, whose name was Rhuan Maycon da Silva Castro.
Witnesses called police after noticing the couple walking through a soccer field with a suitcase containing Rhuan’s corpse. When officers responded to the family’s home, they found the women there with Pessoa’s 8-year-old daughter.
Authorities later located Rhuan’s remains in two backpacks in the area: one on the lot where the couple resided and the other in front of a nearby day care center.
The couple, who remain in police custody, showed no remorse for their actions while being interrogated.
According to Metropolis, the boy was also beheaded while still alive.
Providing more detail, Fat reports that the boy was separated in 2015 from his father, and the women didn’t have custody of either Rhuan or the eight-year-old girl. (Note: Most sources identify the boy’s age as nine; however, Fat states that he was seven in 2015.)
For the father’s part, he’d “desperately been trying to save his son from the clutches of the boy’s deranged LGBTQP mother and her partner, who reportedly moved ‘across states and around the country’ to avoid being caught,” reports Natural News.
“‘We tried to save Rhuan,’ Rhuan’s father told the press. ‘We published messages on the social media, [sic] we contacted police and the Child Protective Services. No one helped us.’”
Unsurprisingly, sources say Rhuan was tortured and had been a victim of rape (they don’t indicate by whom). Candido also confessed that the penectomy was performed with “rudimentary tools,” Pluralist further relates. “After removing his penis, the women said they sewed an improvised version of the female organ onto the mutilated area.”
“The wom[e]n did not detail how they treated the boy for such a procedure and its possible consequences, such as infections and pains,” Fat tells us (auto-translated from Portuguese). “Asked about the reason for this act, Rosângela stated that for her and her companion, the boy wanted to become a girl. That’s one of the reasons they keep Rhuan with long hair — he was like that when he died.”
As stated earlier, Candido also admitted that she hated her son because he reminded her of her father, who allegedly had abused her.
Since the two women obviously are quite deranged, poor Rhuan’s treatment would have been shoddy regardless. Yet it’s hard to imagine this story unfolding as it did absent “transgender” ideology. After all, where does a person get the idea that a “boy can become a girl” and that superficial mutilation effects this change in being? Making ideas part of the public consciousness has consequences.
Of course, maybe Rhuan “wanted to become a girl,” or perhaps it was just that his two lesbian caretakers wanted him to. But the mother’s claim rings true, as I’ve seen this phenomenon before.
Some of you may remember Renee Richards. That’s the name assumed by Dr. Richard Raskind, the tennis player who made news in the late 1970s after having a so-called sex-change operation and, at age 43, beginning to play in women’s tournaments. (Note: I’ve met Richards. He lives in the county next to mine.) I mention him because an aspect of his story is relevant here.
Writing of his upbringing, Tennis.com related last year that “young Richard was dominated by his [psychiatrist] mother and his older sister, who dressed him as a girl. By 9, he had begun to dress himself that way.”
Is this at all surprising? A theory for your consideration: Tiny Rhuan and Richard both got the message that their mothers didn’t love them for who and what they were, boys, that, in fact, their maleness was an impediment to their receiving this love. Of course, a little boy wants and needs his mother’s love more than anything in the world. So is it hard to imagine that such a boy might want to “become a girl”? Note here Candido’s statement that Rhuan was doing it “for her and her companion.”
Yet there’s more. If a boy is confronted with this maleness-oriented maternal rejection when extremely young, might he not so assume a female character as a coping mechanism that he would actually begin to feel like a girl, deep down?
This would explain Richards’ and other men’s “gender dysphoria”: the sense that one really is member of the opposite sex on the inside, to put it simply. Of course, since this psychological phenomenon begins at an age before the person can remember, it makes sense that he would say he has “always felt this way,” which is something you hear from men thus afflicted.
The point? Though quack psychiatrists may today claim that gender dysphoria is a biologically induced phenomenon — an assertion for which they have no proof whatsoever — reason suggests that it’s a psychological one. And it wasn’t Candido and Pessoa who originated the idea of treating a psychological issue with a biological “remedy” (removing genitalia). It was “respected” people with medical degrees, and their enablers in and out of the media, who did that.

Sputnik #sexist gossiprocks.com

[ on an adult man having sex with a 13 year old girl]

hey, i knew girls in school that started having sex when they were 12, 13... even knew one girl that lost her virginity at 11 to her 16 year-old cousin. it's statutory rape but it's not the same as non-consensual, forced sex. that is rape. not all 13 year-old girls are alike and not all of them are 'little girls'. don't get me wrong, i am not saying that what he did is alright, i'm just saying it's not as clear-cut and black and white as 'he raped a little girl' makes it sound, and which is what the judges were going after him for. yeah, he shouldn't have run, but since he didn't stand a chance at a fair trial given the judge that was in charge of the case, i also understand why he did.

Zakaria Fadli and Chase Brewer #fundie youtube.com

ethnicSwede:

Muhammad was a pedophile, even according to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia - the DSM-IV-TR:

A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.


Note: This does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.

PsychiatryOnline - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition

Muhammad was engaged to Aisha when she was only 6 year old and he was 51, and consummated the marriage while she was still pre-pubescent, aged 9 lunar years old. Thus he fulfilled all three requirements needed for a positive diagnosis.

Zakaria Fadli:

My position is that even if she was actually 9, she can’t be called a child and was biologically and psychologically mature enough for marriage.
Was she a child?
The allegation that she must have been a child comes from a simple glance at her age. A 9-year-old is clearly a child, right? In modern society in 2017, yes. But it’s certainly not true for the past.
No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life
The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another
What is clear is that we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.
Over the course of American history, the most commonly observed age of consent was 10 years. In 1880, 37 states had an age of consent of 10 years while 10 states kept an age of consent at 12, and Delaware maintained its age of consent at seven years, having lowered it from 10 in 1871.

Was she prepubescent or biologically immature?
the facts that Western age of consent was as low as 10, just 150 years ago, and that Aisha said a girl becomes a woman at age 9 shows that most girls in those societies were biologically mature enough for marriage at those ages. If you argued against that point, you’d have to argue that you know more today about the biological and sexual maturity of girls hundreds of years ago, than entire Arabian and Western societies knew about their own people.
Mortality, danger, unpredictability and polygyny are all scientifically shown to cause earlier sexual maturation, and these were all much higher in 7th century Arabia than in 18th century Europe under Napoleon. So if European lawmakers 220 years ago concluded that 10 and 11 were the ages when most girls in their society were mature enough for marriage , then it’s practically certain that most girls in Arabia 1400 years ago would have been mature at a far younger age.
"an analysis of cross-cultural data shows that girls undergo puberty significantly earlier in polygynous societies and in nominally monogamous societies with a high incidence of divorce(and thus a higher incidence of serial polygyny)"[1]
[1]Satoshi Kanazawa, Psychology Today, “Why Has the Age of Puberty Declined in Recent Decades? II”

Was she psychologically or mentally immature?
"Human beings are the most cognitively flexible species on the planet and infants and young children are sensitive to early environmental conditions and can alter their path of development, based on current conditions, in anticipation of future conditions"[2]
"Conditional adaptations … children’s brains and bodies tend to respond to dangerous or unpredictable environments by growing up fast and living for the here and now"[3]
If humans are indeed the most cognitively flexible species on the planet, with their brains growing faster in dangerous or unpredictable environments, and the West considered most women in their society psychologically ready for marriage by age 10 and 11, just 150 years ago [2], then it’s practically certain that under the much more dangerous and unpredictable conditions of 7th century Arabia, most girls would have been psychologically prepared for marriage at 9-years-old.
[2]Daniel Nettle, “Flexibility in reproductive timing in human females: integrating ultimate and proximate explanations,” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Biological Sciences, 366, no. 1563 (2011): 357-58,
[3]David Bjorklund, and Anthony Pellegrini, “Evolutionary Perspectives on Social Development,” The Wiley-Blackwell Handbook of Childhood Social Development, ed. Peter Smith and Craig Hart (West Susex: Blackwell Publishing Ltd, 2011), 69-70.

Was Mohammed PBUH a pedophile
The obvious problems with using this label are, as we’ve established in the previous three sections, that Aisha was neither prepubescent, nor a child.

Secondly, there’s no evidence suggesting “fantasies, urges or behaviours” - Of the 12 wives the Prophet PBUH married in his lifetime, only one was even a virgin. His first wife was older than him, and all his others were widows or divorcees. Many of the marriages were demonstrably advantageous in bringing different tribes into Islam. Hardly the profile of a paedophile or sexual deviant.
Lastly, if you persist with the paedophile label, you’re effectively arguing that the entire world suffered from the same psychiatric illness for thousands of years, including your own ancestors, and it only stopped in the 20th century. I hope you can see that’s a ridiculous position to argue for.

Chase Brewer:
dude, I usually like arguing with you. But stop arguing with fools, they know nothing! It's like western civilization doesn't consider you an adult until you're 21. While other countries have children in the military and girls becoming wives as soon as they get their period. Ignore them bro. These people need their hands held though life.

Ralph Stair and Overcomer Ministry #fundie wistv.com

Former members of Colleton Co. church allege sexual abuse, say it's a cult
By Harve Jacobs, Reporter

COLLETON COUNTY, SC (WCSC) - Former members of a Colleton County church have come forward saying they were sexually assaulted by the church's leader.

The leader of Overcomer Ministry in the Canadys community in Colleton County is under investigation after Ralph Stair apparently was seen on video touching a 12 year old girl's breast.

Some say the 84-year-old so-called preacher actually is a predator who preys on young girls and women. A video recently surfaced that apparently shows Stair cupping the breast of a 12-year old girl during a church service.

"I'm gonna touch those things till nobody else can touch 'em," Stair is heard saying in the video.

The video brought back some bad memories for three former members of Stair's church. They all decided to speak out after seeing the (video).

Stacey who asked us not to show her face moved with her family to Stair's farm in 1999. At the time she was 17 years old.

"I think it's that he's really charismatic, he's powerful sounding, at least back then with his words," Stacey said.

Donna Jackson and her family moved to Stair's farm in 1995. At the time Jackson was married and in her 30s.

"It wasn't that difficult for me to do because I was under the impression that this was a man of God and that what we were doing was the right thing," Jackson said.

Lita, who also asked that we not show her face moved to the Overcomer farm with her family in 1997. At the time she was 17.

"We all assumed that ok, he hears from God and whatever he says, do this is what you do," Lita said.

The brochure for Overcomer Ministry portrays the farm as a place where people seek to live together for God and each other. The brochure states residents will "go nowhere, no shopping or trips. Your life will be here on the farm until Jesus comes." Families also were forced to give all their possessions to Stair and his ministry.

"Just everything, we went with nothing," Lita said.

The women say their families learned to be self-sufficient, growing their own food. Soon, they saw some red flags.

"Started giving me hugs and he had never paid me much attention at all except he asked me a couple of times how old I was," Stacey said.

"He made a beeline for me pretty quickly once we moved there," Jackson said.

Lita says she was forced to live apart from her parents.

"That's when I started encountering sexual advances from Stair," Lita said.

Stacey says one day the elderly preacher did the unthinkable to her inside a trailer on the compound.

"He just sexually assaulted me right there. I still couldn't talk. I couldn't say anything. I just basically let it happen. I covered my hands over my face and let it happen because I didn't know what else to do," Stacey said.

Lita says she also was sexually assaulted by Stair for more than a year.

"I was like I don't want to do this. Can you please leave me alone? He's like don't you want to please God?" Lita said.

Jackson says she was attacked but not sexually assaulted.

"He grabbed me and I could feel him if you understand what I mean because he had pressed himself against me that firmly," Jackson said.

Jackson told her her husband about the (assault). The two other women were afraid to speak up.

"Even if you thought in your mind against him you were in danger of going to hell or being judged by God," Stacey said.

"Nobody's gonna believe anything you say. If you say something against him, you are going to hell. You're just like outcasts," Lita said. "I was told to just be quiet and let God handle it which is why this time I feel like I have to say something."

In 2002, Stacey went to the Colleton County Sheriff's Office. Stair was charged with sexually assaulting her. Stacey says prosecutors told her because Stair was old and it was the holiday season, it would be hard to get a conviction.

Stair pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of assault and battery.

Lita did not ask for charges to be filed.

The former members now say what they initially thought was a church is something else.

"It's a cult, it's absolutely 100 percent cult," Stacey said.

"Today I call it a cult. Then I would have said it was a church community," Jackson said.

"It's brainwashing at its finest," Lita said.

Now years later, the women say the recently posted video looks all too familiar.

"Now he's abusing children in front of an entire congregation and not only in front of an entire congregation. He's actually bold enough to videotape it and put it on his website," Stacey said.

"I was disgusted but I wasn't surprised because this is something he was doing forever," Jackson said.

"I was tore up," Lita said. "It's like everything that I've kept hidden for all these years. All of those emotions and feelings just came rushing back up. I was messed up."

Reporter Harve Jacobs went to the Overcomer compound to try to get a response from Reverend Stair. There are no trespassing signs outside the gate, so he called for a comment. Harve was told Stair was not available. He left his number but never heard back. The former church members who came forward all eventually left the ministry.

All say they still bear scars from their time at the farm.

"All he does is destroy families in the name of Jesus, that's what he does," Lita said.

"I want people in Walterboro and in Colleton County to realize that is going on right there around you and people that can stop it are not stopping it," Stacey said.

"I would just really admonish everyone, anyone who's ever thought about going there, don't do it, you will regret it," Jackson said.

So far no new charges have been filed against Stair.

The Colleton County Sheriff's Office with the assistance of the State Law Enforcement Division is investigating Stair after the latest video that surfaced.

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Daniel Stoltzfus, Savilla Stoltzfus, Lee Kaplan #fundie bbc.co.uk

Three people in the US have been charged after a 14-year-old Amish girl was "given" to a much older man who had helped her parents financially.

Police on Thursday arrested Daniel Stoltzfus, 43, and his wife Savilla Stoltzfus, 42, who are the parents of the teenage girl.

They also arrested 51-year-old Lee Kaplan [...]

Another 11 girls, aged between six months and 18 years, were found at his house in Feasterville, Pennsylvania.

All are thought to be Amish, although court records do not explain where they all came from.

The Amish are a group of Christian people who choose to live very simply. They wear traditional, 18th century style clothes and do not use modern technology such as cars, computers or televisions.

Kaplan is charged with 10 counts of various sexual offenses, including statutory rape.

Daniel Stoltzfus is charged with conspiracy to commit statutory sexual assault.

Both he and Savilla Stoltzfus are also charged with endangering the welfare of children.

Court papers suggest the pair were grateful after Kaplan helped save their farm from being repossessed.

The have admitted to giving their daughter away and said information on the internet made them think it would be legal.

The teenager, who is now 18, became pregnant by Kaplan almost immediately, court records state.

She fell pregnant again at 17.

The couple and Kaplan will face a preliminary hearing on 2 August.

Chairman Mau Mau, Runnigger, GROIDSSUCK, and YT Rules #racist niggermania.net

(Chairman Mau Mau): Nine year old nigger football player offered college scholarship.

Sure, why not? At age nine all niggers have ceased learning. Age two is about when niggers have all the knowledge they will ever have. Thus a nine year nigger is the same mentally as a 19 year old, a 29 year old or a 79 year old silverback.

But to do this right the nigger really should have been offered a scholarship at Nigger U. It will end up there eventually.

(Runnigger): I guess it's never too early to start nigger worship. After all, it's 9 years old, that's old enough to rape or murder.

(GROIDSSUCK): It will be hilarious to see this 9yr old trying to tackle a full-on muscular 18-21 yr old on the field...ain't gonna be pretty to watch...that kid will get creamed...

(YT Rules): I thought they had to get molested to get this kind of pay out.

David J. Stewart #fundie #pedo #sexist jesusisprecious.org

The Holy Bible mentions “THE ATTIRE OF AN HARLOT.” A “harlot” is a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money. This is also called “carnal knowledge.” So, we can conclude that there is a certain type of clothing that a girl or woman can wear that sends a wrong message to boys and men, lacking good moral character and sense. In the case of younger girls dressing immodestly, it evidences clearly that the mother is a fool, lacking sense and moral character.

Let me tell you something, those little 8 and 9-year-old girls on the popular TV show “Dance Moms” are little whores in the making. They dress promiscuously, immodestly and dance sensually. They are small children and don't know any better, but their mothers DO know better. Those little girls are clothed in the ATTIRE OF AN HARLOT! The ugly reality is that there are lustful and ungodly men out there in TV land watching them, and there always will be, with lasciviousness building in their heart. Lascivious means “unhealthy sexual desires.” There is a point where God-given normal passions become sinful, and it is the line between sexual immorality verses holy matrimony. God is holy, holy, holy!!!

You are a fool if you think that grown men don't have sexual desires for those young girls. If they dress like harlots, and gyrate promiscuously in public, men are going to lust, or worse. 1st Peter 2:11, “Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul.” We've got a bunch of stupid mamas in America. I've heard malicious people refer to fallen Christian leaders as “pedophiles” for having carnal knowledge with a 16-year-old girl. Although it is a sin outside of marriage, that is a wicked thing to say, because a 16-year-old girl is well beyond the flower of her age (puberty). I'm not justifying sin, I'm just saying that such a man is not a pedophile. To say otherwise is to bear false witness!

I wrote this article to take a stand for the Biblical truth that sexual immorality is often caused by unholy attire. The word “subtil” in Proverbs 7:10 comes from the Hebrew word natsar, which means, “to conceal.” The woman wearing whorish attire (e.g., Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift) is subtil of heart. That is, she is an actor. She'll pretend to be your friend, like Taylor Swift does, but her true agenda is to corrupt your moral values and bring you low. Sex is the God of Satanism! America's youth are under satanic attack! The sensual and raunchy music videos by Vevo, VH1 and MTV are of the Devil. They want your soul young person!!! You ought to listen to Bible-preachers young people, “for they watch for your souls” (Hebrews 13:17b).

Geronimo Aguilar #fundie facebook.com

Letter from a pastor in Richmond,Va. who is accused of sexually assaulting an 11 year old girl and her 13 year old sister in Texas.

Dear Friend,

It is with a heavy heart that I send you this letter. Those of you who know me, know how difficult it is for me to ask for any type of help for myself. God has allowed me to be a giver my entire Christian life. Being the one asking for help is the hardest thing for me to do, but I know that I must call on my friends for such a time as this.

As you know, I have been going through the most difficult time in my life. With my trial approaching, and the mental burden of possibly not being there for my family, I could definitely use your prayers now more than ever. I know you pray for me and my family already, and we thank you for your continued love, support, and friendship.

I was indicted September 20. Although I do not have a set court date yet, my trial could be just around the corner. The very next day after being indicted, I learned I no longer have a sponsor for my legal team. Someone had previously committed to supporting this endeavor from start to finish, but they have backed out for personal reasons, leaving me on my own to come up with the money. Unfortunately, as of December 10th, me and my family have lost our home and have no income. While I deal with these legal issues, I will not be able to find employment and Sam will have to provide for our family all on her own. I know that God will provide for my family’s daily needs, just as He always has. When it comes to my defense, I need your help.

I’ve been told by my attorney it will take approximately $100,000 to ensure the defense team, along with all travel accommodations to and from Texas. I am humbly asking that you prayerfully consider what God would have you contribute. No amount is too large or too small; every little bit helps.

Below is a website that has been designed specifically for my case. You can donate one time, or go online to give as often as you wish to. Your money will go into an account created specifically for my defense team and travel expenses. There is an attorney and two trustees over the account to ensure the money is used and designated accordingly.

Also below is a mailing address if you would like to mail your donation. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at the email address below and I will respond as quickly as possible. If you woud like me to call you by phone, please leave me your number in the email.

Lastly, if you know of anyone else who you feel would like to participate, please pass this information on.

Please continue to pray for my family. We know that in the end, it is God who is in control. We are trusting Him all the way. He’s never failed us yet, and I know He won’t fail us now.

Thank you so much for your time and consideration, and for being a friend to me and my family.

Jesus Loves You

Pastor G.

Edmund_Kemper #transphobia incels.co

[JFL] Tranny on another forum threatens to murder me and says I should be executed in public

typed by skide

“this fag says "iT's NoNe oF yOuR BuSiNeSs wHaT BaThRoOm tHeY uSe" yes it is.”

No, it is not. You’ve not given me any counter-arguments besides “it makes people uncomfortable” about which I do not give a single tiniest sliver of a fuck. Lemme properly rephrase myself for you: Your buisness, you piece of fucking mental shit, is right there about the space your nose reaches out to, not a fucking inch more. You do not get to fucking police others for making you uncomfortable, respond to that, you little shithead.
You gonna try? then try with me, I’m a transgal and you try policing me, I will genuinely fucking brutalize you to the brink of death and I’ll spit on your broken chassis just for good measure. You seem to labour under some delusion of having the brute force on your side when you simply do not. In my case, I do and I will gladly use it against you, if you as much, as talk to me when I’m inside the stall(and yeah, do go on about how I’m obviously a male because I’m a brutal fuck who like bashing in people’s heads from time to time, specially when they deserve it like you all do, none of you are arbiters of my sex an none of you ever will be but do come here up north and try saying any of your typical offensive shit, I can use some lawsuit cash, so just gimme a cause, just gimme a fucking pretext to).

Now, while I have your attention: You fuckers ARE the degeneracy itself. Controlling other sentients is the most degenerate shit you can attempt and you are all about that. Hell, you hate the very concept of freedom to the point of trying to discredit it in as much effort, as your tiny brains can conjure. One uncomfortable truth, you little pieces of fucking degenerate(as we have established) filth: You are few and we, people who actually value our freedoms and our lives to be lived as we wish, we are a fucking LEGION, sure you can shoot some of us at a mall or in the theater but in the end each loss of yours is going to be irreplacable for you, almost no kid in their right mind is going to go for your little cult while we are never going to cave in to your demands, you are nothing more than a handful of terrorists and you will all die like such(if we could only make your executions public). So spin your little plots, your dreams of world domination, because in reality, you are and always will be left powerless. Utterly pathetic and unable to move a single stone that makes up our society. Grow the fuck up and start listening to actual fuckin adults in the room or rope’s your destiny and I just wish all of you did it at the same time, so we could get rid of your cult for good. Now, don’t give me any of your shit about how you just want to live outside of all this. You don’t. All you want for is control over others and your whole misery stems from not having it anymore. Admit it, you bunch of cowardly fucks. You have made my point the moment you contradicted me about the bathroom stuff not being your buisness. You motherfucking degenerate filth literally consider it your buisness to police others and you always had. For this, you deserve death but I’ll gladly settle for the exclusion and scorn you already get from folks.

Get comfy, fuckheads, it ain’t going nowhere.”

wow. A trans foid threatens to beat me up and kill me because of my political opinion on trans bathroom. The reason why I think trans bathroom is bad is NOT because I think it is uncomfortable it’s because men’s rooms and women’s rooms were separated due to the fact that they have different genitals, not different chromosomes or different genders. If they had the same body and genitals, this wouldn’t be necessary. That’s why this trans bathroom thing is controversial you wannabe tough guy. And threatening to violently beat someone to death and then you Tell me to “grow up” when you talk like a insanely butthurt preteen. What’s next? Make all bathrooms for men and women to share together? So a 11 year old girl should share the bathroom with a 40 year old man? I’m sorry but this just isn’t ok. If you had a vagina this wouldn’t be an issue if you could Change your penis into a vagina. And its crazy how you want us publicly executed just for words and sentences we type online.

also, to the retard who claims to have a 30 year old son, no you don’t. You’re just some 20 year old lying about being Middle Aged so you can be seen as wise and mature by others when in reality no middle aged adult spends their time on forums dedicated to mocking other people. If you’re that age, you’re a manchild

The 2019 Fundie Of The Year Awards - Voting! #announcement

Hey Folks!

It's finally time to vote for the Fundies Of The Year 2019!

To vote, just copy the following list of categories, paste it into your comment field and fill in the blanks:

Virtual Ballot

Religious fundie of the year:
Wingnut of the year:
Moonbat of the year:
Conspiracy theorist of the year:
Racist of the year:
Ableist of the year:
Grifter award:
Mary Sue of the year:
Funniest quote:
Nightmare fuel of the year:
Magnetic Crank Award:
Board of the year:
Movement of the year:
Quote submitter of the year:
Commenter of the year:

I bolded the names of the quotees, use that to fill in your ballot. In cases where there's two quotes of the same author I marked them with (1) and (2).

I used a great deal of link embedding but fear not, ALL LINKS IN THIS POST GO TO SOME PAGE ON FSTDT. I want to encourage you to take a closer look before deciding.

Now, without further ado, here are the nominees!:

Fundies Of The Year:


* Religious Fundie Of The Year:

Lady Checkmate for her extreme censorship, troll paranoia and homophobia.

biblicalgenderroles for articles like “8 Biblical Differences Between Wives and Slaves”

Abd Al-Aziz Al-Khazraj Al-Ansari for praising the Qu’rans “mercifulness” in telling men not to hit their wives in the face when beating them.

Roosh V for completing his journey from PUA arsehole to fundie arsehole by embracing the “Godpill”


* Wingnut Of The Year:

Rabbi Eliezer Kashtiel and Rabbi Giora Redler. The Rabbis for Hitler.

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer for fighting for 10-year-old girls' rights to own assault rifles.

Some /pol/ posters for glorifying Nazi officer Oskar Dirlewanger.

SendixBunny for their dehumanising Pinochet apologism.

Monarchieliga, a German Monarchist Movement that wants to drag Germany back to the Middle Ages. Literally. If you're still doubting this, here's an excerpt: "Restoration of freedom of mind, thought and speech via the establishment of a strict censorship office that is part of the Imperial Church"


* Moonbat Of The Year:

EmmaRoseheart, who claims worldbuilding is colonialist and Science Fiction is an innately fascist genre.

Aimee Terese, for breaking through the glass ceiling and becoming FSTDT's first brocialist woman.

AmbiguousSalt, who thinks Social Democracy is a variety of fascism.

Korean Friendship Association USA for their apologism for Kim Il-Sung.

Georgiy, who made an uncomfortable discovery about his "king", Stalin.

amethystuf. "telling people not to smoke or drink alcohol while they’re pregnant is ableist and classist as fuck and it needs to stop".


* Conspiracy Theorist Of The Year:

Annie Jacobsen: Roswell was a plot to create US panic, orchestrated by Stalin and Mengele.

Jacob Wohl's "feminist conspiracy" theory about locking briefcases.

Deep State Exposed®: "Merry Christmas to Melania Trump. The 1st female First Lady In U.S. history. Thank you Jesus!!! #MerryChristmasEve"


* Racist Of The Year:

Incel Cuyen, who wants to get a "password" to Africa to sexually exploit Pigmy women.

Shlomo: Everyone and your dog is a Jew.

This n-mania user, for his blatant ignorance of biology.


* Ableist Of The Year:

Judith Newman, for exploiting her autistic son for her book, which includes her arguing for a forced vasectomy after he turns 18.

I like to also nominate Whitney Ellenby, a similar beast, who forced her son into a Sesame Street show.(I know the quote is technically from 2020, but eh.)

Nobodysfool999 for his sickening view on autistic people.

Various incels on Fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva

Manly-Chicken for their denial of legitimate mental health problems.

Incel PM_ME_STRIPPERS, who "envies" disabled people for their alleged lack of sexual drive.


* Grifter Award (#mammon):

Sandra Porta for her offer to literally shit in the woods for a week for 450€.

Karin Tag of the Seraphim Institut, where you can Become a Crystal Skull Warden or just generally Buddha Your Life some.

Fostac AG, a Swiss woo company that basically openly admits to being a fraud.

Apotheke am Bahnhof for their ”Spagyrical Spray Protection against CHEMTRAIL”, sold at 15.35€ for 50 mL.

Melanie Missing for her 14 Unicorn Essences!


* Mary Sue Of The Year:

Tim Rifat, Master Magician.

Shifting SubliminalsHD, Dog Shifter.

Caamib for proudly portraying himself as a Villain Sue that makes incels look good in comparison.


Quotes Of The Year:


* Funniest Quote:

The quote that granted David J. Stewart(1) the honorary title of "Pillowfucker".

Anonymous, who thinks "Japanese girls have melanin receptors inside their vaginas".

Edo Nyland's bizarre crackpot "etymologies".

David J. Stewart(2) explains the Seven Elements of a Crime, which include lesser known ones such as See Also, References and External Links.


* Nightmare Fuel Award (most disturbing quote):

Caamib: "[Penetrating a 12-year-old girl] must be the most heavenly feeling on Earth. Like hot knife through a butter. Your dick must be in heaven”

Rand Paul: “I’m not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. I think they’re a good thing, but I think the parents should have some input. The state doesn’t own your children. Parents own the children, and it is an issue of freedom.”

Members of the Disciples of Jesus Christ sect, who whipped a nine-year-old boy to death.

This chilling account from the Hephzibah house involving child abusers Rev. Ronald E. Williams and Patti Williams.

Mikemikev aka Michael Coombs: "What's wrong with murdering innocent children if it's for a good cause? And it is a little bit funny."


* Magnetic Crank Award (Formerly Beyond The Trifecta):

Laura Eisenhower, the "Global Alchemist, Researcher and Intuitive Astrologist

Sherry Shriner, who takes a rather complicated way of saying "energy drinks make you gay".

Victor Justice's weird "Little Greta" screed.


Other Nominations:


* Board Of The Year:

Raping Gurlz Is Fun: The name says it all. Run by our special fiends, openly would-be incestous Paedo sickos Nathan "Leucosticte" Larson and Caamib.

The Daily Stormer: As long as it's still there, right?


* Movement Of The Year:

QAnon, which we didn't cover much, but when we did, oh boy...

German Right Wing Party AfD

Ohio Republicans for passing into law that facts don't matter in classrooms and ordering doctors to perform medically impossible procedures.


* Quote Submitter Of The Year:

JeanP

JustAlongForTheRide

Bastethotep


* Comment Of The Year:

Passerby(1)'s takedown of Nathan Larson.

JustAlongForTheRide's dissection of CKR's 100 Truths.

Skidie(1), draining the swamp that is the police force.

Bastethotep's overview over Eukaryont systematics.

Skidie(2)'s rant addressing fschmidt.

Another one of Passerby(2)'s masterpieces.


And that's it! If you have questions send a message to me, SomeApe. Have fun voting!

Jonathan Van Maren #fundie lifesitenews.com

Argentina pro-life leader: Activists are using little pregnant girls to push legal abortion

March 8, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Last August, following the stunning upset victory of pro-lifers in Argentina, who fended off the legalization of abortion by a mere handful of votes in the senate, I intervieweda prominent Argentinian pro-life activist to discuss how the pro-life movement mobilized millions of people and what their strategy was going forward. Earlier in 2018, over three million pro-lifers had marched in the streets to demand that the government maintain protection for pre-born children in the womb, and tens of thousands took to the streets in celebration when the senatevoted narrowly against legalizing abortion. Buenos Aires became a joyful sea of blue handkerchiefs, the powerful symbol of the pro-life movement.

Pro-life activists have been preparing for the next assault on protections for pre-born children ever since, with many left-wing politicians promising to legalize abortion by other means. Abortion activists have also been seeking a difficult and tragic case to utilize in the media and build national and international support for their agenda, similar to what took place in Ireland in 1992 with the ‘X’ case. Earlier this month, an 11-year-old rape victim gave birth via C-section, apparently after requesting an abortion several times. Doctors worked to save both lives, and the abortion was refused because of complications over the girl’s guardianship.

The media is deceitfully implying — or outright claiming — that Argentina’s pro-life laws prevented this girl from getting an abortion in order to attack protections for pre-born children as cruel. Most of the international headlines state that “Argentina refused 11-year-old rape victim an abortion,” or something to that effect. In fact, abortion is actually legal in Argentina in the case of rape, and there was no law preventing the girl, who has been dubbed “Lucia” for privacy reasons, from getting an abortion. Rather, this was a complex case involving the girl’s family situation and other factors—but that, of course, interferes with the media’s preferred narrative that scores of underage rape victims are being forced to give birth because of Argentina’s pro-life laws.


To discuss what comes next for Argentina’s pro-life movement, which has suffered every slander imaginable from the international media over the past several weeks, I spoke with Camilo Duro, a 24-year-old pro-lifer working on the ground with the organization Frente Joven, a pro-life NGO that “seeks to reduce maternal and infant mortality by addressing its main causes [and] providing support to women with pregnancies at risk.” Frente Joven was also one of the leading organizations fighting the legalization of abortion last year.

"What is currently going on in Argentina?"

Today we have no idea what's going to happen undoubtedly because "the green side" is handling a communication operation. They're using a new hashtag "#NiñasNoMadres" (#GirlsNotMothers) and the media are [spreading] news of little girls pregnant, eleven or twelve years old, victims of sexual abuse. They're putting local governments and public opinion under pressure. Actually, the last two cases had the same result: premature cesarean between 23 and 25 weeks. One of the babies already died after a few days of life, and the last one, Faustina, is fighting for her life.

An abortion bill will be presented at the end of March. We have our big March for Life in two weeks, on March 23, [for] the Day of the Unborn Child. Two million people are expected to attend throughout the country.

"After last year's pro-life victory, do these latest events threaten to bring abortion to Argentina once again?"

Yes, it's not over. We are organized and giving options to our politicians to fight this inside Congress. The abortion bill is yet to come, so we're waiting. Meanwhile, we're thinking about a new communication campaign to reinforce our slogan "Save Both Lives.

"What is the pro-life movement doing to respond to what is happening?"

This week we announced a new free telephone line to help vulnerable pregnant women. We're working on a new sexual education plan, without gender ideology or promotion of early sexuality. In fact, we have five teams working on different tasks.

"What is the abortion movement's strategy?"

They want to pressure local governments to apply an illegitimate protocol created during the presidency of Cristina Kirchner. That protocol enables [women] to have an abortion in three cases: rape or sexual abuse, health risk (not life risk, just health, so they use "psychological health" as an excuse) or mental disability of the pregnant woman. But neverthelessit will probably [gain support] in Congress.

"What do we in North America need to know that the media is not telling us?"

First, we need our support throughout social networks. We're giving information through Twitter, Facebook andInstagram. Every week "Unidad Provida" is using a new hashtag to inform or to repudiate the big media fake news. It is also very important to know that we have an election year, and there's no pro-life candidate yet. It is a huge problem and pro-life people, especially inside the country, are showing disagreement [with the pro-abortion crowd] on Twitter.

***

Jonathon’s new podcast, The Van Maren Show, is dedicated to telling the stories of the pro-life and pro-family movement. In his latest episode, he interviews the "Godfather" of the US pro-life movement Joe Scheidler. 91-year-old Scheidler says that it was during a speech he attended by Senator Henry Hyde in Chicago in the early 1970s that he became interested in the pro-life fight. “I listened very carefully to Henry's talk and then I started studying the whole pro-life issue of fetal development,” he says. “I thought this was going to destroy our country because we are taking protection away from the most helpless — the unborn.” You can subscribe here, and listen to the episode below:

"Nuke 'em from orbit" Award

It's the only way to be sure.

Various Incels #sexist #racist #psycho incels.co

RE: [SuicideFuel] Dude beats 13 yo incel into submission and makes him twerk for talking to his 9 yo daughter

(NoCopeNoHope)

How do we know he was incel? An incel couldn't even get a foid to talk to him. The dad was based tbh. If every father did this to both the boys and their daughters, foids would stay virgins till marriage.

Wat?

An incel can't talk with a foid. They ignore us. The kid was probs a young chadlite who wanted to fuck the chick. It should be illegal to even talk to a foid without consulting with her father, like the old days. We need Sharia but more strict.

(BummerDrummer)

going against the grind. Boy deserved it. Burn the coal pay the toll, the boy in the scenario fucked a nigger and u get what u get

The kid looked mutt. His hair is dark and curly.

oh well then. Still deleting whatever goods left in him.

(Reprobus)

I’d do the same thing if not worse if I was a father. Don’t see why everyone is hating on the based black guy

(toyotacel)

why the fuck does he care ?, his 9 year old is gonna become a total slut anyway, she'll be giving birth to multiple kids by different dads in no time.

(PluralSpaceRace)

How the ghetto rats mind works:
"I am mad at 13 year old boy"
"In response I will make him twerk naked"
He is using sex to dominate, same shit that happens in prisons. On a 13 year old boy.
Faggot shit tbh

(To_Live_is to_Serve)

OP does not mention the race of those involved. Its a primitive human attacking and humiliating a weak adolescent target of a rival people without the inhibition of a civilized man. Best wishes to incels of all races.

(Adamhastor)

Clearly not an incel.
He was naked in a 9yo girl's room. Must have been an aspiring Chad. Black foids hit puberty around 8-9 yo so it would make sense.

Atsushi Maishigi #fundie uk.news.yahoo.com

A teenage girl thought by her father to have been possessed by an ‘evil spirit’ died from suffocation in an exorcism, it has been reported.

Tomomi Maishigi’s father and a monk performed a ‘waterfall service’ on the 13-year-old where she was allegedly bound to a chair by a belt and placed face-up underneath a water pump for five minutes at a Buddhist church in Kumamoto, south Japan.

The pair - 56-year-old monk Kazuaki Kinoshita and the girl's 50-year-old father Atsushi Maishigi - were arrested yesterday on charges of inflicting injury resulting in the death following the ritual.

According to the Mainichi Daily News, her father held her down under the falling water while the monk chanted sutras in the early hours of 27 August.

When the victim fell unconscious, they called an ambulance but she was later pronounced dead.

Kumamoto Prefectural Police said that after the incident which took place last month the teenager died of suffocation.

The girl had undergone the ritual a hundred times before since March, police also said.

Mr Maishigi reportedly claimed that his daughter was possessed and found the monk to perform the ritual to exorcise the demons so she could get better. But she resisted and became violent.

“Our actions were aimed at exorcising evil spirits from her and were not physical abuse," the men were quoted as telling investigators,” the men reportedly told police.

Tomomi had suffered from mental and physical illness since she was a senior-grade primary school student, and had not attended school since April.

A spokesperson for the Nakayamashingoshoshu's (a sect of Buddhism) main temple in Kiyama said: “The water rite is done to bring one's wishes to reality, but of course you cannot exorcise with it. We also do not instruct to bound the arms and legs when doing the ritual.”

various incels #sexist reddit.com

Life fuel: Roasty learns that sexual promiscuity has consequences

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(IndraMaheshwar)
Wait but I thought 16 year olds were innocent angels who don't know how babies are made?!

Reddit moralizers will call you a pedo for thinking about 16 year olds sexually, meanwhile they're having group anal sex so intense that it cripples them for life. Jfl.

(GasTheBlues)
The veil was ripped from my eyes when I was like 18, some 12 year old girl in the youth club I worked at gave bjs to a couple of the boys who went there, was creepy af to interact with her after that knowing about it.

(RAZENKN)
I’ll bet those roasties were Hispanic!

yes. i'm mexican. what gave it away?

Hispanic girls are by far the sluttiest on the planet. I mean those hoes are notorious for starting young. I wouldn’t be surprised if they made up the largest percentage of teenage pregnancies.

(Dirtatron)
Dude, make no mistake, that is a phenomenon that transcends national and cultural boundaries. I'm from eastern europe and throughout highschool I've seen girls date 25+ y.o. guys. Few of my acquaintances continue that tradition by hooking up with with 16 y.o. girls from our former highschool even though they are about to finish uni.

(StopCopingStartLDAR)
in 5th grade i went to a going away party for a girl that was moving (my first and only party btw) and i remember walking down the stairs to the basement and seeing one girl giving a guy a lap dance to Hypnotize by Notorious BIG and later i saw another girl giving a dude a blowjob. IN 5TH GRADE. and this was like 2000 so i can’t even imagine what they’re doing now.

(FACEandLMS)

It's not that minors are non-sexual, it's that they're stupid and make bad decisions. Mentally it's easy to manipulate or control minors, which is why they can't even enter into a contract legally by themselves.

When minors have sex with other minors, they're on the same playing field and even if bad decisions are made you can't blame a specific party. The law is there so that adults with more brain development and life experience don't take advantage of dumb kids. Kids don't magically grow up and become smart overnight on their 18th birthday, but they had to come up with a number, just like the age for drinking / driving etc.

Anyways, pedophilia in your head is ok as long as you don't act out on them. There are people with weirder fantasies.

Yet, if a woman gets drunk at age 25 and then has sex with a 25 yo man, she is not responsible for her actions and the whole case is treated little differently from if she had been a sober 14 year old.

And they now have "coercive rape" where if a man says: "I'll give you a Hollywood deal if you fuck me, but you don't have to accept this", the woman can fuck him then 20 years later, claim she got raped. #metoo.

So are women irresponsible children FOREVER, unable to make adult decisions or not?

(PvtJamesRyan)
“Stupid and Make bad decisions”

Wait a second, I thought inceltears official doctrine was that all girls should be free to “explore their sexuality” regardless of age and anyone who is against this is automatically labelled an incel. Don’t believe me? Check out the front page of inceltears now where they are calling out incels for speaking out against teen sexuality at this very moment.

(mwobuddy2)

woman is victim.

"blame the pron, not the individual!".

man is victim.

Good, that degenerate deserved it.


16 year old

having GROUP sex.

Suifuel.

(mantrad)
Remember you are a pedo for finding 17 year olds attractive, meanwhile they are doing this every day

(RareRaspberry6)
Lol you have no idea. where I live age of consent is 13. other parts of the country have younger AoCs, some parts have no AoC at all, some even define age of consent as "age in which the girl first started menstruating". when i was 12 and in school all the girls in my class were going out with men old enough to be their fathers simply because they had cars and money to buy them stuff. it pissed me off so much. i'll never understand why women hate dating guys their own age so much.

Unknown author #fundie en.minghui.org

I am a six-and-half-year-old girl. My dad is a Dafa practitioner, but my mom isn't. When I was two years old, Dad taught me that “Falun Dafa is good, Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance are good.” When I was three, Dad started to teach me Master Li's poems. Now I can recite all the poems from Hong Yin I, II, and III. Every day after kindergarten, I reviewed at least 10 poems at home.

Whenever I fought with other children or was hurt, Dad asked me to search within for my own faults. For example, when I argued with others for toys or refused to play with them, I could find the underlying reason: I wanted to get back at them.

I also have had many amazing experiences. Dad mentioned that after Master's Fa-rectification, people who persecuted Dafa or had hatred toward Dafa would have no future. I was worried about Mom, so I asked Dad about her future. Dad said that, because she had not changed her attitude towards Dafa, she could be in danger in the future. After that, I always worried about her.

Once in my dream, Master was in his cassock and came down from heaven sitting on a lotus throne. He told me, “Both of you please keep cultivating diligently and your mom will change her mind eventually.” Master knew what I was worried about! It was really amazing. I told this to my dad, and he said, “We should cultivate more diligently and one day she will support Dafa.”

On another occasion, I saw a big eye in front of me staring at me. Dad explained to me, “Your celestial eye is open, and Master has given you a real eye.” Since then, I can always see rainbows through this eye. I told other children about it, but they seemed to be at a loss. Later Dad reminded me, “Other children don't practice Dafa, and cannot see it.” I didn't mention what I saw through my real eye to anyone again.

One day in dance class at the kindergarten, all the girls were very tired and wanted to rest, but would get in trouble if we complained. I suddenly thought about what Dad had told me, “When you don't know how to handle things, just recite 'Falun Dafa is good, Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance are good' and ask Master for help.” So I recited it in my mind and asked Master to help us. Soon the teacher said, “The girls can stop dancing! Boys, please start!” It was really amazing.

The other day, I accidentally poured a whole mug of hot water on my legs. It really hurt. After reciting “Falun Dafa is good, Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance are good,” I immediately felt better and my pants dried almost immediately. Through this incident, I believed even more in Dafa and Master.

Dad asked me to recite every day at least 30 times “Falun Dafa is good, Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance are good.” He also told me, “Don't fight back when you are hit or sworn at.”

Every evening, Dad told me traditional Chinese stories. Sometimes he spoke to me about gain and loss from the perspective of Dafa.

One day, I was playing with our neighbor's daughter. She asked me to steal some food for her. I didn't, so she hit me. When I didn't hit her back, I saw a white stone flying towards me, but I didn't feel anything land on me.

That evening I told my dad what had happened. He said, “It wasn't a stone--it was a block of virtue.” Dad praised me for not fighting back and told me, “All luck is converted into virtue, and virtue can be converted into gong for practitioners by Master. Remember, when others hit you, they actually give you virtue in other dimensions. You should be happy about that, rather than hate them.” Since then, I have been friendly to this girl, although she is not friendly to me. My dad praised me again.

I have had so many other amazing experiences on my cultivation journey.

Once in a dream, Master took me to visit heaven. It was a really beautiful place with layers of heaven and lots of good food. I really had fun there. I ate ginseng fruits and flat peaches that could all talk and they greeted me. In heaven I could swim and cross my legs in double lotus. I saw an Arhat who had failed to reach Consummation because of excitement. Then he resumed his cultivation, but failed again because of his fear.

Master also gave me divine powers. Master told me that I should not use divine powers all the time. I can only use them toward those who kill people and persecute Dafa practitioners. What a great Master! Sometimes I saw that Master is higher than all of Heaven. Sometimes I was even sitting on Master's hand. After I woke up, I told Dad what I saw in my dream. He was happy and told me not to be excited.

Dad also told me what the Red Dragon is. I told him what I saw in hell: the Red Dragon had been chopped into pieces to be fried, and the ghoul in Avici Hell ate every bit of it. Dad immediately recited Master's poem:

“Once the Red Dragon’s head is chopped off,
its tail severed and deep fried,
the meat sautéed,
Which ghoul in Avici Hell
wouldn’t want to eat every bit?”
(“Call It Quits” from Hong Yin III)

Dad also taught me Master's verse, “The Fa rectifies the cosmos, the Evil is completely eliminated.” I read this verse at the Monday routine flag-raising ceremony in kindergarten.

One Monday morning, I kept sending forth righteous thoughts, and the flag wasn't raised. On another flag-raising occasion, the rope holding the flag broke. The next time I simply used divine powers to tell the kindergarten director not to have the flag-raising ceremony. The director did what I wanted: we didn't have the ceremony at all.

Sometimes Dad was not so diligent, and I was able to remind him. One day he quarrelled with Mom, and she left home. After this, I saw skulls and rotten demons behind Dad. I told him about it. He immediately sat up to send forth righteous thoughts. Since then he has paid more attention to sending forth righteous thoughts.

On another occasion, Dad and I were studying Master's poems, when I saw skulls and rotten demons outside the window trying to break in. I told him, and we started to send forth righteous thoughts, but they didn't leave. Dad then conjoined his hands to cleanse his mind. This frightened the rotten demons away.

Later I asked him why, and he said, “When I was reading Master's poems with you, I let my mind wander, which was wrong. That was why the rotten demons dared to come.”

I again asked, “Why was our first attempt to send forth righteous thoughts not effective? Why did they leave after you conjoined your hands?” Dad explained, “If we conduct ourselves properly, rotten demons dare not to come. So I cleansed my mind again. We must keep cultivating ourselves more diligently.”

One day, my dad, other practitioners, and I went out to tell people the facts about Falun Dafa, and I was asked to send forth righteous thoughts to help. But I wanted to play and didn't do what I was told. I soon fell down. Dad helped me to find my attachment: I liked to play and didn't send forth righteous thoughts.

Now I can also point out Dad's attachments: He worries and holds anger. Dad is now trying to get rid of those attachments.

Various incels #pedo #sexist incels.co

RE: [RageFuel] Made an r/amithesoyhole bait post about not wanting my 14 year old daughter to railed. Reddit once again reveals themselves as pedophiles.

(AlexanderTheGreat11)

The comment of that guy saying he was banging his gf everyday after school when he was 13(feelsree)

(Words2_live_bye)

ragefuel. These same people then argue and call you a pedo when you say you wanna smash a 13 - 17 year old. JFL
girls in this age range DO have sex drive and desire for sex.

(Edmund_Kemper)

AITA is a shitty subreddit of retarded faggots. They think it’s ok for for 12 year olds to look at porn and use sex toys but they get mad at a 40 year old man dating a 20 year old foid. That subreddit’s morals are retarded

(Hate_my_life)

To all our reddit friends:
Please cool it with the hate. Incels.co is a forum of peace. Look at this disgusting display of misogyny and toxic masculinity in a pile of pancakes, batman!

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This does not surprise me at all. The language is so creepy and weird. "I immediately reacted negatively and told my wife to keep our daughter away from these boys when I'm not around." (where the heck are you going?) and "I instructed my wife that our daughter doesn't need to be engaging in sexual activity at all. This dude has never been in a relationship before and it shows. Also lmao just because he didn't get any at 13 he thinks other boys don't? When I was in middle school I knew dudes that were getting head when they were 12.

Nobody has sex at 13 (Soyface emojis). It's normal to be a virgin to your late 20s (Soyface emojis).

(Subhuman Currycel)

The comment of that guy saying he was banging his gf everyday after school when he was 13

I can’t believe him and me are males from the same species fuck my life. Remember a few nanomenters of DNA all it takes.

(Gymcelled)

The comment of that guy saying he was banging his gf everyday after school when he was 13

Our lives are so different to what they could have been, had we been born with the right face/height.

(Mainländer)

Those people think it's ok for your 14 yo daughter to be gangbanged by Chads her age and if you have anything to say against it your a misogynist, but if someone older, even if 17 or something, even peck kisses her, he's a rapist. I wish they were just a handful of retards, but tons of people think this way nowadays. It's mind-boggling.

Just the other day I read someone on IT saying about a 14 yo hypothetically having sex with another 14 yo: "as long as it's consensual, it's ok - oh, and btw, 14 yos can't consent". Do these people even stop for a minute to analyze how they think, or at the very least what they write?

(ScornedStoic)

This is what I don't get. It's okay for a 14 year old to be a slut for other 14 y.o.s but if I want to provide for one and genuinely make her happy in a monogamous marriage (preferably virginal) why am I a monster?

If you want to do stuff that will make society less degenerate and feminist you're a monster, basically.

I just want to be left alone if for some reason in some universe I was able to get a jb to fall in love with me. Is that so much to ask?

(Wizard32)

Teen girls are not prepubescent, so using attraction to them to call people pedophiles is a bunch of anti-male feminist propaganda.

"Hebephile" if you must, toward those who prefer them (noting that inclusion is not preference, of course) but the idea that we should label this as some kind of paraphilia is wrong, because it isn't any more fetishistic than preferring a specific sex/gender or preferring a specific ethnicity/race or preferring beautiful to ugly, having a height preference, a smell preference, a hair color preference, etc.

Preferences (particularly slight ones) don't need medical terms for them when there isn't anything unhealthy about them. Especially since it leads to the demonizing of slight preferences and implying they are dramatic fixations when they usually are not.

Calling teens "children" is misleading. Yes, modern legal classification of "minor" is synonymous with that, but in general practice we use terms like "adolescent" rather than "child" or "kid" to refer to people in-between being an infant and an adult.

This type of language is used to minimize the maturity/intelligence/experience of teens, to ignore their biological readiness, to demonize normal male attraction to healthy fertile females.

If you buy into thinking 14 is too young, you're just mentally cucking yourself (poor biddy) as a coping mechanism to deal with being denied the freshest pussy by our present matriarchy.

(nazianime)

Honestly an older male would be a better companion for a young girl. Theoretically if a male has a high paying job, his own home and transportation and still has time in the day left. It would be ideal, because a man that is a college educated and already has life experience can be a treasure trove of information. This would only work if she was committed to learn and respect. But parents don’t teach that.

But you are a monster according to IT for trying to provide a show of real respect and commitment to a girl.

Keith Strawn #fundie google.com.au

Idaho dad admits he took pregnant 14-year-old daughter to marry her 24-year-old rapist

St. Anthony, Idaho – An Idaho man who took his 14-year-old daughter out of state to marry a 24-year-old man will spend at least 120 days in jail.

Keith Strawn was sentenced on one felony injury to a child charge Tuesday afternoon.

District Judge Greg Moeller ordered Strawn to serve a suspended sentence of four years in prison with two years fixed and two years indeterminate.

Moeller then sentenced Strawn to 120 days in the Fremont County Jail. Strawn will serve 60 days straight with Strawn being eligible for work release the remaining time.

“While you spend those 120 day in jail, perhaps you will think about the 120 days your daughter was in a vile farce of a marriage to a rapist,” Moeller said to Strawn during the sentencing.

In August 2015, Strawn took his 14-year-old daughter and then 24-year-old Aaron Seaton to Missouri to consent in their marriage.

Seaton, now 25, pleaded guilty to a rape charge in April and is believed to have impregnated her. The victim miscarried.

Seaton is serving a 15-year prison sentence.

Court records show Strawn “harbored and protected” Strawn by allowing him to live with his teenage daughter.

“If you get them pregnant then you marry them,” Strawn told Moeller during the hearing.

Strawn’s defense attorney, Douglas Knutson, recommended a sentence of six days in jail and probation.

Knutson told the court that his client’s decision to allow the marriage “might have been a religious motivation.”

“(The victim) told me herself that her father asked her several times during the trip to Missouri, and even the day of the marriage, if it was something she wanted to do,” Knutson said.

Strawn admitted to Moeller that his actions were wrong.

“I love my daughter very much and I would never do anything to intentionally harm her or put her in harm’s way,” Strawn said. “I made the wrong decision, and I made that decision in duress.”

Strawn was originally charged with two felony injury to a child charges and one felony charge of accessory to rape. As part of a plea agreement, the state dismissed two charges and Strawn pleaded guilty to one felony injury to a child charge.

The jail sentence was 110 days more what Fremont County Prosecutor Karl Lewies recommended, which was that Strawn be sentenced to a unified sentence of three years, one fixed and two indeterminate followed by a $3,000 fine. He also recommended that the prison term be suspended and Strawn not serve more then 10 days in jail.

The Henagar Drive-In Theatre #fundie variety.com

Moviegoers at a drive-in theater in Alabama won’t be able to see a retelling of the “tale as old as time.”

The Henagar Drive-In Theatre in DeKalb County has canceled its screenings of “Beauty and the Beast” because the film will feature Disney’s first openly gay character.

Director Bill Condon recently told Attitude magazine that Josh Gad’s LeFou — villain Gaston’s (Luke Evans) eccentric sidekick — will be Disney’s first-ever LGBTQ character — a way of honoring the original 1991 animated film’s late lyricist Howard Ashman.

The announcement follows the Alabama theater’s change in ownership. “When companies continually force their views on us, we need to take a stand. We all make choices and I am making mine,” a statement on the northeast Alabama theater’s Facebook page read. [...] Here’s the Henagar Drive-In’s full statement below.

As of December 16th the Henagar Drive-In is under new ownership. Movies scheduled prior to that date and four weeks after this date were not scheduled by the new owners. That being said…It is with great sorrow that I have to tell our customers that we will not be showing Beauty and the Beast at the Henagar Drive-In when it comes out. When companies continually force their views on us we need to take a stand. We all make choices and I am making mine. For those that do not know Beauty and the Beast is “premiering” their first homosexual character. The producer also says at the end of the movie “there will be a surprise for same-sex couples”. If we can not take our 11 year old grand daughter and 8 year old grandson to see a movie we have no business watching it. If I can’t sit through a movie with God or Jesus sitting by me then we have no business showing it. I know there will be some that do not agree with this decision. That’s fine. We are first and foremost Christians. We will not compromise on what the Bible teaches. We will continue to show family oriented films so you can feel free to come watch wholesome movies without worrying about sex, nudity, homosexuality and foul language. Thank you for your support!

Henagar Drive-In Theatre #fundie facebook.com

As of December 16th the Henagar Drive-In is under new ownership. Movies scheduled prior to that date and four weeks after this date were not scheduled by the new owners. That being said...It is with great sorrow that I have to tell our customers that we will not be showing Beauty and the Beast at the Henagar Drive-In when it comes out. When companies continually force their views on us we need to take a stand. We all make choices and I am making mine. For those that do not know Beauty and the Beast is "premiering" their first homosexual character. The producer also says at the end of the movie "there will be a surprise for same-sex couples". If we can not take our 11 year old grand daughter and 8 year old grandson to see a movie we have no business watching it. If I can't sit through a movie with God or Jesus sitting by me then we have no business showing it. I know there will be some that do not agree with this decision. That's fine. We are first and foremost Christians. We will not compromise on what the Bible teaches. We will continue to show family oriented films so you can feel free to come watch wholesome movies without worrying about sex, nudity, homosexuality and foul language. Thank you for your support!

Jim Bramlett #fundie fivedoves.com

I am reminded of a story told to me last year about an 11-year-old girl, Kyla, by her mother, Cyndee:

"My daughter, Kyla, who was 11 last year, at the time she was carried into the Spirit by the Lord. It was 3 in the morning and she was up and weeping and told me she had been with Jesus and he had told her some things. A lot was personal for the family but there was something Jesus told her that was amazing. She, to this day, still says Jesus told her, 'I am coming some September.' Now I received this! What it means I don't know for sure, but I will say this, SOMETHING very spectacular is fixing to happen and I am excited and Jesus is in IT!! God also told her that her family, meaning her siblings, and me, her Mother and her Dad, would not die until they all see the coming of the Lord."

If the reference is to the rapture, let us hope it is this September!

Jonathan Van Maren #fundie lifesitenews.com

(=AKA; How out of touch Jonathan Van Maren is=)

Here’s why even Christians can’t stand Matt Walsh

If Ben Shapiro is the gentleman boxer of conservative commentary, his Daily Wire colleague Matt Walsh is definitely a doomsday prophet in sackcloth and ashes. Each new essay-length column fairly drips with depressing details of why, exactly, our culture is broken, our Christianity is shallow, and our countries are tearing themselves apart. Despite this, Walsh has hundreds of thousands of readers, and for the same reason Shapiro is so popular: He’s generally right.

Reading Matt Walsh’s essays often is, as my friend once said about Peter Hitchens’ weekly column, like a thunder-shower on a day when you had plans outdoors. His writing, his social media comments, and even his videos seem to show someone who is deeply burdened about the state of the culture, and his demeanour often appears melancholic. I bumped into Walsh only once, when I was doing an interview for EWTN right after him, and his somber look as he strode out of the studio-area seemed to confirm his online persona.

What I really appreciate about Matt Walsh is that he decides to target topics that he knows will enrage his own readership. He could stick to columns condemning abortion, or prosperity preachers, or even sexual immorality, and his base would largely love it. But Walsh goes after the sacred cow of many churches: Their entertainment. And as he has often said himself, nothing enrages modern Christians more than questioning what they’ve decided to watch or do in their spare time.

Walsh has written columns on why horror movies are repulsive and the morbid fascination with films where human beings are horribly tortured, dismembered, and sliced up in scenes that are often perversely sexually charged. Predictably, there was backlash—because when you read a description of horror movies in black and white on the page, suddenly it seems rather hard to justify. Suddenly the idea of watching people scream and writhe in horrible pain for the purpose of entertainment seems—well, pretty screwed up.

Walsh also went after violent video games, again asking why Christians find it acceptable to spend time simulating the killing of other people, sometimes even through stabbing, hacking, and strangulation. Again, the backlash online was immediate—and far louder and more vicious than if Walsh had penned a column condemning the hypocrisy of the Left. The same happened when Walsh asked why the pagan origins of yoga didn’t bother anyone, and when he demanded to know how Christians could justify the savage sexual violence and openly pornographic nature of the HBO show Game of Thrones, which—believe it or not—many Christians insist is a perfectly acceptable thing to watch.

I thought of Walsh’s work when I read a short blog post recently by the popular Christian blogger Tim Challies, who has also written frequently on the inability of modern church-goers to handle any criticism of their entertainment choices without instant anger and defensiveness. It was titled “Are You Godly Enough to Watch Smut?” and addressed the simple fact that Christians today are willing to defend entertainment that Christians a mere century—or even fifty years ago—would without question find appalling and wicked in the extreme. Challies also noted that the TV show Stranger Thingswas very popular in his circles—but that when he tried to watch it, he was confronted with scenes his conscience would not allow: "To create Stranger Things a group of people filmed an actual eighteen-year-old girl actually taking off her shirt and actually simulating losing her virginity to an actual teenaged boy. They did that for our pleasure, for our entertainment, so we could see it. What on this side of hell could justify me, a nearly forty-year-old man, watching a production that involves an eighteen-year-old girl—someone’s daughter, someone’s future wife—disrobing and writhing her way through simulated sex with a manipulative, hormone-driven boyfriend?"

One of the reasons Walsh and often Challies are so controversial is that they puncture the hypocrisy of a modern Christianity that condemns porn, unless it is in the movies and TV shows that they like. Violence is wrong, but pretending to gruesomely kill people is okay, and kicking back with a bowl of popcorn to watch people get dismembered and horribly tormented is okay, too. And the backlash that these writers receive to columns making these very obvious points is hugely indicative: Modern Christians get angrier about the prospect of giving up their TV shows and their movies than they do about giving up their religious liberty.

Mark Bradshaw #fundie disqus.com

(Excerpts of a conversation in progress - some content removed because context can’t be provided)

“No, because rapists and murderers are not consenting, they're abusing others. Once again, you do not understand informed consent.” ----- I do understand what informed consent it. But you still haven’t cited why informed consent makes behavior moral or not.

“No, because you do not understand the concept of consent.” ---- I do. And a child can provide consent. Your hang-up is “legal” consent. If the legal system has no definition of age required for consent, is having relations with an 8 year old moral or immoral? And why?

“You fail to understand the difference between consent and abuse.” ----- You’ve shown NO connection between the two. You’ve FAILED to show why a child cannot give consent – other than “It’s the law”. So, I ask again, since slavery was legal, is slavery moral?

“If they find nothing wrong with rape or murder, yes their morals are wrong.” ----- HOW can you make this claim that their morals are wrong?

“All right, go ahead and abuse a child.” ----- Again, HOW is it abuse if (the child) consents?

“Says the law. Age of consent laws exist for a reason.” ----- So, the law is the arbiter of what is/isn’t moral? I guess slavery was moral, right? What about countries/societies that don’t have laws regarding age of consent – are relations with children moral in those instances?

“And you have elected to believe your denomination is right and the rest are wrong.” ----- Not “the rest” – just those who reject God and His word. But the same could be said of YOU, right? You reject anyone that doesn’t believe the same way you do. How is that any different than what you accuse me of doing?

“- No, I'm asserting that you have what everyone else has - an interpretation, which means you're just as wrong as everyone else and no one can agree about things because you're all so sure you've chosen the 100% correct understanding.” ----- Upon WHAT AUTHORITY can you claim that I am wrong? How can YOU be sure that YOU’VE CHOSEN the “correct” morals? You cannot even cite an authoritative source for those morals.

“You're trying to give it the answer you want, but you can't do that.” ---- I am using how words are defined.

“People don't commit murder because they believe it's acceptable...come on. They do it out of desperation in their situation and because they no longer care and have lost the ability to reason.” ----- So, now you are a psychologist and can claim to know the motivations of every murderer?

“I love the way you think any two people on earth can just make the decision to copulate and it's going to work out peachy.” ----- When did I ever assert that any behavior will “work out peachy”? Why do you insist on asserting that I’ve said things I haven’t actually said?

“Desires you feel you have the right to tell people to squash because of your religion.” ----- FALSE. All that I’ve simply stated is that homosexual behavior is immoral. People “squash” emotions and desires all of the time.

“Not confused at all. I never said our parents got everything right.” ----- Yet you DID say that you learn your morals from your parents – that your parents are your moral authority.

“We get older and our brains develop and we learn for ourselves what good morals are.” ----- “Good” based upon WHAT? You are essentially saying that YOU are your own moral authority. If someone’s morals allow for murder or rape, is that acceptable? If not, then upon WHAT AUTHORITY can one assert something is good/bad, moral/immoral?

“that as we learn to think for ourselves that we don't need a holy book to tell us what's right and wrong.” ---- Upon WHAT BASIS can you determine something to be right or wrong, moral or immoral? You haven’t answered that simple question. You keep going on and on about “learning what is right and wrong”, yet have NEVER cited a source for what is right and wrong. If someone grows up learning that murder and rape are moral, how can you say that murder and rape aren’t moral?

“This is the last time I'm going to humor you on this subject since you don't know and have no desire to know the difference between consent and abuse.” ----- Again, you continue to FAIL to cite an authoritative source for why abuse is wrong, or where not providing legal consent is a qualifier of abuse. You have FAILED to show why, in a society where there is no law regarding age of consent, it is immoral to have relations with a child who has consented.

“We take rapists and murderers out of circulation when they engage in this behavior because it's abuse and it's illegal.” ----- But WHY are those acts immoral? Why are “abuse” and “illegal behavior” immoral? WHAT AUTHORITY asserts that these acts are immoral?

“We don't do the same with homosexuals because they decide to engage in a sexual act because it's not abuse. No one gets hurt.” ----- Whether one gets hurt or not doesn’t determine morality.

“Yes. Age of consent laws aren't absolutely perfect and no two countries draw the lines in the same places, but they do the best they can.” ----- So, if a country/society define no legal age limits on consent, having relations with a 6 year old is acceptable/moral?

“The 20 year old man goes to jail. Quite rightly.” ---- What about in countries that don’t have any limits on age of consent? Is that 20 year old man having relations with a 6 year old girl moral or immoral?

Robert Knight #fundie barbwire.com

A day does not go by without some new outrage. You know what I’m talking about — stories about fresh surges of illegal immigrants over the border despite the American people’s mounting anger that we’re losing our country; the Boy Scouts welcoming openly homosexual men as troop leaders; the federal debt soaring past $18 trillion and counting; Planned Parenthood getting caught dissecting live babies for organs and brains; the White House announcing the first openly transgender staff member; Pentagon officials rushing toward putting women into all combat units, including the Navy SEALs. I have yet to see a reporter ask how this will enhance the SEALs’ ability to conduct and survive dangerous missions.

Meanwhile, under President Obama’s nuclear “executive agreement,” Iran is pursuing an electromagnetic pulse capability that could plunge America into a dark age. Christians in Iraq and Syria are being beheaded, raped and sold as slaves while the Obama administration blocks Christian refugees and puts a welcome mat out for Muslim asylum-seekers. How much more disturbing can the news get?

At the movies, the Motion Picture Association of America gives an inexplicably lax R rating to “The Diary of a Teenage Girl,” about a 15-year-old having an affair with a 35-year-old man, complete with several nude scenes. The film’s director says she hopes to help young girls get over the “taboo” against being sexually active. Just when we thought we’d run out of broken taboos. People like this used to hang around schoolyards in creepy raincoats. Now they have big budgets and sophisticated cameras, and get warm reviews in major newspapers.

This is fifty shades of statutory rape, like former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle’s guilty pleas this past week for crossing state lines to have sex with underage girls and possessing child pornography. The “Diary” filmmaker gets away with it by having a 23-year-old portray the teen girl.

With the political world reeling from crisis to crisis and a media culture more decadent by the day, it’s more imperative than ever that people shed their apathy, get involved and push back the darkness. But in between battles, it’s not a bad thing to unplug and take in a ballgame.

At the very least, it’s good to take a drive in the real America. You can escape the evil media matrix — for a while.

Dr. Terry Mortenson #fundie answersingenesis.org

Seven Reasons Why We Should Not Accept Millions of Years

There is an intensifying controversy in the church all over the world regarding the age of the earth. For the first 18 centuries of church history, the almost universal belief of Christians was that God created the world in six literal days, roughly 4,000 years before Christ, and destroyed the world with a global Flood at the time of Noah.

ABOUT 200 YEARS AGO SOME SCIENTISTS DEVELOPED NEW THEORIES OF EARTH HISTORY, WHICH PROPOSED THAT THE EARTH AND UNIVERSE ARE MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD.

But about 200 years ago some scientists developed new theories of earth history, which proposed that the earth and universe are millions of years old. Over the past 200 years Christian leaders have made various attempts to fit the millions of years into the Bible. These include the day-age view, gap theory, local flood view, framework hypothesis, theistic evolution, progressive creation, and so on.

A growing number of Christians (now called young-earth creationists), including many scientists, hold to the traditional view, believing it to be the only view that is truly faithful to Scripture and that fits the scientific evidence far better than the reigning old-earth evolutionary theory.

Many Christians say that the age of the earth is an unimportant and divisive side-issue that hinders the proclamation of the gospel. But is that really the case? AiG and many other creationist organizations think not.

In this short article (which can be purchased as a booklet to share with others), we want to introduce you to some of the reasons we think that Christians cannot accept the millions of years, without doing great damage to the church and her witness in the world. We hope that it will help you think more carefully about this subject and will motivate you to dig deeper into the excellent resources recommended at the end, which thoroughly defend the points made here.

1. The Bible clearly teaches that God created in six literal, 24-hour days a few thousand years ago.

The Hebrew word for day in Genesis 1 is yôm. In the vast majority of its uses in the Old Testament (OT), it means a literal day; and where it doesn’t the context makes this clear.

Similarly, the context of Genesis 1 clearly shows that the days of creation were literal days. First, yôm is defined the first time it is used in the Bible (Genesis 1:4–5) in its two literal senses: the light portion of the light/dark cycle and the whole light/dark cycle. Second, yôm is used with “evening” and “morning.” Everywhere these two words are used in the OT, either together or separately and with or without yôm in the context, they always mean a literal evening or morning of a literal day. Third, yôm is modified with a number: one day, second day, third day, and so on, which everywhere else in the Old Testament indicates literal days. Fourth, yôm is defined literally in Genesis 1:14 in relation to the heavenly bodies.

That these creation days happened only about 6,000 years ago is clear from the genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11 (which give very detailed chronological information, unlike the clearly abbreviated genealogy in Matthew 1) and other chronological information in the Bible.

2. Exodus 20:11 blocks all attempts to fit millions of years into Genesis 1.
This verse gives the reason for God’s command to Israel to work six days and then take a Sabbath rest. Yôm is used in both parts of the commandment. If God meant that the Jews were to work six days because He created over six long periods of time, He could have said that using one of three indefinite Hebrew time words. He chose the only word that means a literal day and the Jews understood it literally (until the idea of million of years developed in the early 19th century). For this reason, the day-age view or framework hypothesis must be rejected. The gap theory or any other attempt to put millions of years before the six days are also false, because God says that in six days He made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them. So He made everything in those six literal days and nothing before the first day.

3. Noah’s Flood washes away millions of years.

The evidence in Genesis 6–9 for a global catastrophic flood is overwhelming. For example, the Flood was intended to destroy not only all sinful people but also all land animals and birds and the surface of the earth, which only a global flood could accomplish. The Ark’s purpose was to save two of every kind of land animal and bird to repopulate the earth after the flood. The Ark was totally unnecessary, if the Flood was local. People, animals, and birds could have migrated out of the flood zone before it occurred, or the zone could have been populated from creatures outside the area after the Flood. The catastrophic nature is seen in the nonstop rain for at least 40 days, which would have produced massive erosion, mud slides, hurricanes, and so on. The Hebrew words translated “the fountains of the great deep burst open” (Genesis 7:11) clearly point to tectonic rupturing of the earth’s surface in many places for 150 days, resulting in volcanoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis. Noah’s Flood would produce exactly the kind of complex geological record we see today worldwide: thousands of feet of sediments clearly deposited by water and later hardened into rock and containing billions of fossils. If the year-long Flood is responsible for most of the rock layers and fossils, then those rocks and fossils cannot represent the history of the earth over millions of years, as evolutionists claim.

4. Jesus was a young-earth creationist.

Jesus consistently treated the miracle accounts of the Old Testament as straightforward, truthful, historical accounts (e.g., creation of Adam, Noah and the Flood, Lot and his wife in Sodom, Moses and the manna, and Jonah in the fish). He continually affirmed the authority of Scripture over men’s ideas and traditions (Matthew 15:1–9). In Mark 10:6 we have the clearest (but not the only) statement showing that Jesus was a young-earth creationist. He states that Adam and Eve were at the beginning of creation, not billions of years after the beginning, as would be the case if the universe was really billions of years old. So, if Jesus was a young-earth creationist, then how can His faithful followers have any other view?

5. Belief in millions of years undermines the Bible’s teaching on death and on the character of God.

Genesis 1 says six times that God called the creation “good,” and when He finished creation on Day Six He called everything “very good.” Man and animals and birds were originally vegetarian (Genesis 1:29–30, plants are not “living creatures,” as people and animals are, according Scripture). But Adam and Eve sinned, resulting in the judgment of God on the whole creation. Instantly Adam and Eve died spiritually, and after God’s curse they began to die physically. The serpent and Eve were changed physically and the ground itself was cursed (Genesis 3:14–19). The whole creation now groans in bondage to corruption, waiting for the final redemption of Christians (Rom. 8:19–25) when we will see the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21, Col. 1:20) to a state similar to the pre-Fall world, when there will be no more carnivore behavior (Isaiah 11:6–9) and no disease, suffering, or death (Revelation 21:3–5) because there will be no more Curse (Revelation 22:3). To accept millions of years of animal death before the creation and Fall of man contradicts and destroys the Bible’s teaching on death and the full redemptive work of Christ. It also makes God into a bumbling, cruel creator who uses (or can’t prevent) disease, natural disasters, and extinctions to mar His creative work, without any moral cause, but calls it all “very good.”

6. The idea of millions of years did not come from the scientific facts.

It was developed by deistic and atheistic geologists in the late 18th and early 19th century. These men used anti-biblical philosophical and religious assumptions to interpret the geological observations in a way that plainly contradicted the biblical account of Creation, the Flood, and the age of the earth. Most church leaders and scholars quickly compromised using the gap theory, day-age view, local flood view, and so on. to try to fit “deep time” into the Bible. But they did not understand the geological arguments, nor did they defend their views by careful Bible study. The “deep time” idea flows out of naturalistic assumptions, not scientific observations.

7. Radiometric dating methods do not prove millions of years.

Radiometric dating was not developed until the early 20th century, by which time the whole world had already accepted the millions of years. For many years creation scientists have cited many examples in the published scientific literature of these dating methods clearly giving erroneous dates (e.g., a date of millions of years for lava flows that occurred in the past few hundred years or even decades). In recent years creationists in the “RATE project” have done experimental, theoretical and field research to uncover more such evidence (e.g., diamonds and coal, which the evolutionists say are millions of years old, were dated by carbon-14 to be only thousands of years old) and to show that decay rates were orders of magnitude faster in the past, which shrinks the millions of years dates to thousands of years, confirming the Bible.

Conclusion
These are just some of the reasons why we believe that the Bible is giving us the true history of the creation. God’s Word must be the final authority on all matters about which it speaks: not just the moral and spiritual matters, but also its teachings that bear on history, archeology, and science.

What is at stake here is the authority of Scripture, the character of God, the doctrine of death, and the very foundation of the gospel. If the early chapters of Genesis are not true literal history, then faith in the rest of the Bible is undermined, including its teaching about salvation and morality. I urge you to examine carefully the resources at the bottom of this article. The health of the church, the effectiveness of her mission to a lost world and the glory of God are at stake.

This article is available in an attractive booklet to share with Christian friends, your pastor, or anyone who is compromised or unsure about the age of the earth and who is not willing (or sufficiently motivated to take the time) to read a book or watch an hour-long DVD that would change their thinking. This booklet could be a stepping-stone to encourage them to study this matter further. Together, let’s keep calling Christians—and especially Christian leaders—back to the truth of Genesis.

Che Abdul Karim Che Abdul Hamid #sexist freemalaysiatoday.com

Man in child marriage row says wives happy to share husband with kid

Che Abdul Karim also threatens legal action against his critics.

Che Abdul Karim (right), seen here during his ‘nikah’ (marriage) ceremony with an 11-year-old girl. (Facebook pic)

GUA MUSANG: The man at the centre of the public outrage over his marriage to a child is standing firm on his decision, and has threatened to take legal action against those who condemned him.

Rubber tapper Che Abdul Karim Che Abdul Hamid, 41, who married 11-year-old Masaryu Mat Rashid last month, has again defended his action by saying he received blessings from the girl’s parents.

He said he would go ahead to formalise the marriage by applying for a marriage certificate after five years, when his “wife” turns 16, the marital age allowed by Malaysian shariah laws.

“I am sad of the assumptions and wild accusations thrown at me in social media for taking a third wife,” he told Bernama.

“I will consider taking legal action to stop the defamation against me through wild and inaccurate claims,” he said when met at his home in Gua Musang.

He said his two other wives were also accepting of the young girl to be their “madu” (one who shares a husband).

A photograph of the marriage ceremony, posted online, sparked outrage among Malaysians on social media, renewing a debate on underage marriage.

But Masaryu’s father, who is just eight years older than his daughter’s “husband” said he knew Che Karim well, as the man often sold scrap rubber to him.

“He has promised me that he would register the marriage with the Islamic Affairs Department in Kelantan when Masaryu turns 16,” said Mat Rashid Rimadsa, a Thai citizen who lives in Gua Musang.

Meanwhile, the Kelantan Islamic Affairs Department said it had not received any complaints about the marriage but promised to conduct an investigation to see if it violated state Islamic laws.

Pastor Adam Fannin #fundie youtube.com

You know, the Bible has several standards for clothing, for hair, for music, the men and the women's roles, the place of a child (a child should not be ruling the house), for pastors. You know, pastors have a requirement. You know, there's a bunch of churches around here like that one I was talking about where they get divorced, and the wife stays, and she says, "We'll, I'll just become the pastor. I've been here since the beginning." Uh, OK, we'll the Bible's very clear that a woman should not usurp authority over a man. A woman should not be preaching across the pulpit. Ladies can teach children. Ladies can teach other ladies, and we'll look at that. But ladies don't teach men. Men need to teach in the church.

And there's a requirement to be a pastor of the church. You can't be divorced. You have to have multiple children. And the fake churches will not obey God's standard. No divorced pastor is blameless. The husband of one wife. The husband of one wife. "So, Brother Fannin, I'm divorced, does that mean I can't preach?" No, it doesn't. It means you can't be the shepherd. It means you can't be the pastor. It means you can't hold the office of a deacon. But everything else in here is something you can do. There are things in here you can do, and the pastor's not the only position. There's a lot of work to be done here. There's a lot of people that need help with things. There's men jumping up to get the door. "Oh hey, somebody needs a Bible. Hey, somebody needs to start printing a bulletin in here." [Gesturing to someone in the congregation] This man has a full plate. He needs some help. Some people need to stand up and say, "I'll help. What can I do to help? I want this church to last, and I don't want you to get burned out." He is here in Pastor Romero's stead right now, and he is doing everything he can to make sure this church works, but you guys need to get in on it also. He needs some help; he needs some support; his family needs some prayer. It's up to you guys whether this church makes it or not. It really is; it's up to the people, and we're old-fashioned, and we're gonna do it God's way. Blameless, husband of one wife.

Vigilant! "Oh, you're a homo? Sorry, not welcome here. Take a hike."

Sober! Sober! No drunkenness in the church! Church correction! The bible says if somebody's in drunkenness, they should be kicked out of the church. The bible says if somebody's in fornication, they should be kicked out of the church. We're gonna do it God's way. Don't just justify drunkenness like all the other fake churches, and woe unto them for doing that. Woe unto them for doing that.

It says one that ruleth well his own house having his children in subjection with all gravity. He's saying you must have children to be a pastor. There's that other big church in town here. "Well, it's all right. He's done the work for years. He can just be a pastor." Uh, but what about what God said? Are you trying to bring the curse of God on this church? There's believers in the church! And they're gonna elevate a man that doesn't meet the requirements of a pastor? God's not gonna bless that. And of course, what's he gonna do? "Well, maybe the King James isn't so important. It's OK if the dykes come in and the homos come in. We're gonna have a little rock and roll. Let's get more buses, you know, and less hard preaching. No more soul-winning; that doesn't work." Yeah, the guy's probably not even saved. For if a man not know how to rule his own house, how should he take care of the church of God?

You know, the hair standards in I Corinthians chapter 11; it says a man ought to have short hair, and a woman ought to have long hair. That's God's standard. You tell that to somebody, "Oh, you're being hateful." Well, I'm just telling you what God said. I'm just telling you what God said. And you shouldn't hate me for saying it, but unfortunately, the world doesn't understand that. We in here are without excuse. We in here are without excuse. Honestly, if there were a man in here that understood these principles and he had his hair down to his butt, I'd say, "Dude, why are you living in sin?" If there was a woman in here that said, "Well, I can do whatever... all my friends, they chopped it up to here [gesturing to the top of his head], and they made it this purple-silverish color. I'm gonna do that." I'd say, "Why are you in rebellion? You know what God's commanded! I Corinthians 11, read it!"

The clothing! You know, the Bible says that your thigh is your nakedness. The Bible also says your chest is your nakedness. The Bible's teaching that from your neck to your knee should be covered up, and only shared with your husband or wife. That goes for men too. Men, you shouldn't be swimming with your shirt off. Ladies, you need to cover your nakedness. That's God's commandment. Don't break his commandment! That's the way it oughta be. "Well, that's old-fashioned". Hey, amen! Yeah it is! It's a sin to show it off; it doesn't belong to anybody else but your husband. And men, it's the same way. Don't wear shorts that show your thigh. That's wicked. That's not right with God.

Look here in Deuteronomy 22. Look at verse number 5. "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God." Do you hear what that says? Listen, I bring this up for a reason, because I grew up IFB, and I rarely heard this verse. I grew up IFB, seeing families that grew up conservative, and the ladies dress like ladies, and the men dress like gentlemen, and then, they got tired of church, and they fell out of church, and they started dressing like the world. And they didn't know this verse. Their principle, their foundation, was not on the word of God. We're reading this verse because we're gonna have a foundation based on the word of God. God says here that if a man comes walking in in a skirt, that's an abomination. "What are you wearing? That's disgusting!" "Well, what about the Irish?" Let's not talk about that. Let's not go... what the kilts and all, I mean there was some bad things there anyway. Go to Titus chapter 2. But he says, "A woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man." "Are you telling me that my wife needs to wear skirts all the time?" No, I'm not. God is! God is! God says a woman oughta dress like a woman, and she ought to be a lady. And if she has a problem in her heart with that, that is rebellion against God's commandment. "Boy, that's so old-fashioned; you're not gonna get people around here." Well, I'm not trying to get people. I'm trying to lay a foundation that will last forever. And it's not pretty sometimes. Dresses and skirts on ladies please God. But rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. "Well, what about all my friends? They all wear yoga pants all the time." That's wicked as hell! You oughta tell them it's wicked! You oughta tell them it's obscene! "What if my family thinks I'm weird because now I just wear dresses and skirts?" Hey, dresses and skirts are classy. That makes a lady look classy. Don't look trashy, like you just came from the yoga gym. "What if my family thinks I'm weird?" Hey, what about the father in heaven that commanded you; don't you wanna please him? Don't you wanna do what he said? Don't think about your family; don't think about your friends; don't think about your investment in your closet. Think about breaking God's law. Think about having a rebellious heart against what God has said. Get your heart right. That's God's commandments. He gave it to you for a reason. Do not disobey.

God wants the gender roles to be separated. God wants it to be distinguishable what a lady is and what a man is. He wants it to be clear. He came to bring division for our own good, and we don't get that some time. He's commanded men to work. In I Timothy 5, he says, "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." Worse than an infidel! Dad, if you sit at home, and you don't work, and you send mom off, you're a bum! You're a deadbeat! Your worse than an infidel! You act worse than the heathen! You're breaking God's law! He's not happy with that. The flipside of the coin, here in Titus chapter 2. Titus chapter 2. Look at verse number 4: "That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children," verse 5, "To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good," listen to this, "obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed." Mom, if you're rebellious, you might as well cuss at the Bible, because God said for you to obey your husband. God said, "Mom, you should stay home and take care of the kids. Dad, you need to go to work." That's his perfect plan. Dad, don't act like an infidel. Mom, don't make the word of God blasphemed by being disobedient.

[All throughout this talk, members (mostly male) of the congregation can be heard voicing their agreement.]

Tim Philpot #fundie rawstory.com

A Lexington, KY judge and former Republican state legislator told a Christian group earlier this month that he believes “gay marriage” is an “oxymoron” like “jumbo shrimp” or a “magnificent chihuahua.”

The Louisville Courier-Journal reported that Fayette Circuit Court Judge Tim Philpot is a family court judge who routinely presides over matters of child custody, same-sex marriage and adoption by LGBT couples.

Speaking to the Francis Asbury Society — a Christian ministry group that hosts weekly anti-same-sex marriage seminars titled “Marriage Matters” — Judge Philpot said that he “loves homosexuals,” but that marriages other than those between a heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman are “sterile” couplings that are ultimately “just entertainment.”

At the Sep. 8 gathering, Philpot — who faced corruption charges in 2004 — went on to say that the legalization of same-sex marriage in Kentucky is “pretty close to insane” and now “there is no question that polygamy is on the way.”

The former Republican state senator said in a video posted to the Asbury society’s website that the normalization of same-sex marriage is harmful and confusing to children.

“Now kids not only have to decide which girl to date, or which boy to date, they’ve got to decide which gender to date,” he said. “There is not a 12-year-old or 13-year-old or a 14-year-old in Fayette County, Ky., that doesn’t have to decide ‘Am I gay or am I straight?’ Man, I’m telling you, that is some kind of abuse.”

The Courier-Journal spoke to Fairness Campaign director Chris Hartman, who said the judge “clearly has a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be LGBT, chalking it up to some arbitrary choice children must make. Personally, I would never want Mr. Philpot making decisions about my family, given the fact he has deep disrespect for LGBT people and their families.”

Many of Philpot’s colleagues say he has never shown any bias in the courtroom for or against same-sex couples. When the Courier reached him by phone in Ireland where he is vacationing with his family, Philpot said, “(I)n 13 years as a judge, you will be hard-pressed to find even one complaint about me on this issue.”

Attorneys Ross Ewing and Keith Elsten both told the newspaper that Philpot has always ruled fairly. Elsten said that he has represented same-sex couples in Philpot’s courtroom and never saw evidence of bias in his rulings.

Elsten said the judge would ask “a few more questions of gay and lesbian clients than he asks to some of the straight clients I have had.” However, he said, none of them were “out of bounds or appear to reflect his personal biases.”

The lawyer said he finds the judge’s remarks concerning, but Esten figures “he has a right to say whatever he wants to say.”

During his 25-minute talk to a Marriage Matters meeting, Philpot said that same-sex marriage is “really very illogical…kind of like a dog show I was watching a few years ago where the announcer said that was a magnificent Chihuahua. Those words don’t make sense to me.”

The impact of the legalization of same-sex marriage in this country, Philpot said, “really hit me like a ton of bricks” when he was standing in a Starbucks.

“There was a man there, probably 45 years old. He had his arm around a young man who was about 20, and I would say there was a 90 percent chance it was just a father and son, but I had this moment when I thought, ‘Hmmm, I wonder what’s going on.’ They’re getting a little too close. They are making me uncomfortable.”

Philpot resents the use of the rainbow — “one of the Bible’s greatest symbols” — to symbolize LGBT rights.

“I’m gonna put one on the back of my car because I’m not going to let them steal it,” he said. “I’m gonna take it back. I’m gonna drive around town with my rainbow and my 8-pound shorky — a Shih Tzu and a Yorkshire terrier mix — and let them think what they want.”

Other remarks from the meeting included:

“Already there are ‘thruples’ getting married in the United States – thruples as in three. … It makes sense. I know there are times I’ve thought about a third person would be be a help around here. I know there are times my wife has thought about it. You know she loves Nosario, the guy who takes care of our yard. But we’re not a thruple. Relax.”

“For anyone who describes themselves as gay or lesbian I have discovered a phenomenal love for them that I didn’t have back in the old days. … I think it’s because I’ve had so much contact with them.”

“I have no problem with people not getting marriages license at all, if they make a commitment to … marry in a public setting in front of God. Whether they get a marriage license from the Fayette County Clerk is pretty much irrelevant, I think, in the eyes of God. I can’t imagine God caring what the clerk of Fayette County thinks about anything.”

In 2004, the Associated Press reported, Philpot failed to recuse himself from presiding over the divorce case of a donor to his campaign for state senator. The ethics case went before the Kentucky Supreme Court, which ultimately ruled that Philpot could remain on the bench.

In June, Philpot released his first novel, Judge Z: Irretrievably Broken, which is a “pro-marriage” parable that explores “the social costs of divorce, babies born out of wedlock and children growing up in unstable homes.” The work, he said, is based on cases he has seen in his work as a family judge.

“The main tragedy is that straight people don’t want to get married anymore,” he said. “Social norms have totally changed. Marriage doesn’t mean anything anymore.”

Old Man Montgomery #fundie oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com

[=Authors Note: For the sake of trimming, some of the Bible verses in the original page have been removed=]

From the website of ‘johnshore.com’

These were published and dated December 16, 2010. I have only recently become aware of this ‘movement’ via Facebook. (One never knows what one will find there.) These are referred to as the “Sixteen Tenets of ‘unfundamentalist Christians’ , known also or previously known as ‘ThruWay Christians’. Being the old-fashioned, hard-nosed Bible thumper that I am, I disagree with some facets of this and the conclusions of the entirety.

Of course I have reasons and those reasons are published below. Just for convenience, I numbered the statements, replacing what appeared in my copy as a paragraph ‘dot’.

Just for the record, as the article was dated December 16, 2010, it is entirely possible Mr. Shore has completely changed his mind and recanted this whole document. On the other hand, I just checked Mr. Shore’s last blog entry and he’s still pitching the “UnFund” theme.

Caution: If the reader is not a Christian believer, much of this discussion will seem pointless. Feel free to read on, but if you’re confused, don’t worry, it happens to lots of folks.

Here beings the tenets:

1. Jesus Christ was God incarnate. He performed miracles; as a means of providing for the irrevocable reconciliation of humankind to God he sacrificed himself on the cross; he rose from the dead; he left behind for the benefit of all people the totality of himself in the form of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

So far, I’m in agreement. Jesus is God incarnate; the ‘Son’ who is God Himself. Jesus was executed and killed (no alternatives) on a Roman cross under Roman law. Jesus’ death was the final sacrifice needed to atone for the sin of all people who appeal to Him for forgiveness. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day showing Himself to be God and giving a promise to all of an Eternal life in Heaven with Him. He sent the Third Person of the Godhead, the ‘Holy Spirit’ to believers after His ascension.

2. Christ and Christianity are meant to be understood, appreciated, and experienced as galvanizing inspirations for living a life of love, compassion, fairness, peace, and humility. Period.

Now we’re disagreeing. The primary purpose and function of Christianity is to repair the breach between God and mankind due to mankind’s rebellion and disobedience. Being forgiven by Jesus and redeemed by His sacrifice, mankind can have a direct and proper relationship with God. The qualities of love, compassion, fairness, peace and humility are by-products of that proper relationship, not the primary aim.

Am I splitting hairs here? Not as much as one might think; the matter becomes clearer as we proceed.

3. The Bible is a collection of a great many separate documents written by different people in different languages over thousands of years. Properly understanding both the letter and spirit of the Bible necessarily entails taking into account the historical and cultural contexts that so greatly inform so much of its text. The size, density, history and complexity of the Bible render unfeasible the idea that not one of its words reflects more man’s will than God’s. The spirit of God is inerrant; people—even those impassioned by the conviction that God is speaking directly to or through them—are not.

The one starts out well and descends into heresy. The Bible was written over a period of approximately 1500 years. The Books of Moses, the Torah – sometimes Pentateuch, was written in the period between the Exodus from Egypt, around 1400 B. C. to the time of the Babylonian Captivity, around 600 to 530 B. C. (give or take a decade or so.) The book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle was written around 90 A. D. The rest was written somewhere in between, with the possible exception of Job. Job was one of the earliest sections written and may predate Moses. The Bible was assuredly written by at least forty different authors. (For instance, the books of Judges, Kings and Chronicles were written over periods of time and one author could not have written them all; they require accounts from events several hundred years apart. The Torah was more than likely written by a number of scribes with Moses or a later, Babylonian scholar as ‘editor’ and having final input. Genesis is obviously based on oral traditions of the Israelite nation.) The books reflect social conventions and cultural coloring of the times involved.

However, it is the message of Almighty God to humanity. No matter how much a human can foul up, the integrity of the message is based on God’s ability to ensure His message is properly passed on. No human can foul up or outright lie good enough to defeat God’s purpose. So as much as mankind wrote the words on paper (papyrus or whatever), the ‘Word’ (Greek ‘logos’, meaning idea, identity or concept) is that of God. As such, it is inerrant in message.

The idea of the Bible being ‘written by man and therefore possibly distorted’ is an old heresy. It was argued about in the earliest councils trying to settle on the ‘Bible’ and is the basis for several cults who claim to be Christian, but rely on teachings of extra Biblical origin. The heresy also finds much favor among those who wish to discredit any one particular facet of Christian doctrine. Under any version, the idea the Bible isn’t correct means either God really doesn’t care about the message or God is incapable of protecting His own plan. Christians cannot in good faith (no pun intended) accept either alternative.

4. Anyone seeking to mix church and state has failed to understand the nature and proper role of either. Belief that all people are created equal and are deserving of equal protection under the law is foundational to all modern democratic nations. To incorporate the inherently exclusionary imperatives of a particular religion into the determinedly inclusive system of democracy would be to undermine the very spirit of democracy by pushing it toward a theocracy.

This is a pretty silly statement and is highly ignorant of history. The ‘foundational’ belief of people being created equal and deserving equal protection under law is uniquely derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition. It is not found in Islam, Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism or any of the other ‘religions’ of the world. It is Christianity that fostered Democracy, not Democracy that fostered Christianity.

Additionally, it was Christian believers and supporters who founded the United States as a nation with no state religion. The United States was not founded as a ‘Christian nation’, but was indeed begun as a ‘nation of Christians’. To pretend otherwise is to ignore history and to invite serious question as to the point of the discussion. One must also note that all movements to ‘remove’ the influence of Christianity from the United States and civil laws result in the promotion of either Secular Humanism or Islam.

There are no moral vacuums.

5. It’s not possible to read Paul’s New Testament writings and remain unmoved by his open heart, intellectual prowess, and staggering bravery. And yet Paul (who, after all, spent years zealously persecuting and having executed untold numbers of Christians) must remain to us a mortal man. More than reasonable, it is incumbent upon those who claim to seek the deepest knowledge of Christ to subject the words of Paul to the same kinds of objective analysis we would the words of any man daring to describe the qualities, purposes, and desires of God.

This is a gentle, lofty and seemingly reasonable attempt to undermine the message presented by God through Paul the Apostle. What this statement does is deny the Divine inspiration and authorship of the Bible as a whole. It returns to the fore in a moment with more of the ‘villify Paul’ agenda.

6. With regards to the written identity of God, the pronoun “he” is a necessity of the English language, not an actual anatomical designation. God is neither male nor female; God contains all of both.

Again, agreement. In Hebrew, just as in English, the male pronoun unless specifically intended refers to both male and female. Jesus says (John 4:23 and 24)“But a time is coming – and now is here – when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such people to be his worshipers. God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” Also one notes in Genesis (chapter one, verses 26 and 27)
“Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth.”
God created humankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them,
male and female he created them.

So, both male and female were (still are, more or less, being distorted from the original model by mankind’s disobedience) created in God’s image; which manifestly means not a physical image, but a mental and spiritual image.

7. The Biblical scholarship supporting the idea that Paul never wrote a word proscribing natural homosexuality is at least as credible and persuasive as the scholarship (if not typical Bible translations) claiming that he did. Any person who uses the words of Paul in the New Testament to “prove” that homosexuality is a sin against God has either never themselves researched the matter, or has simply chosen to believe one set of equal proofs over another. Though laziness is easily enough understood, we remain mystified as to why anyone who purports to follow Jesus would choose to condemn an entire population over choosing to obey Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself.

Here’s the follow up to point 5. Once Paul is ‘questionable’, the condemnation of homosexuality can be dismissed as a personal quirk, or possibly an outright error on the part of Christianity (on the whole).

Here’s the premise of the tenet: Paul either really didn’t mean what he wrote about the practice of homosexuality despite what is clearly written in the original Greek manuscripts and all subsequent translations of the Bible, or Paul was mistaken and therefore not inspired by God. What an amazing statement.

Either God inspired and authored the Bible or not. If one chooses to deny God’s inspiration in part, then the whole becomes suspect. If God was lax in allowing Paul to write and publish errors, then what of the rest of the Bible is trustworthy? Conversely, if God did in fact inspire and author the Bible, then Paul’s writing is equally trustworthy.

Leviticus 18
This entire section (several chapters) deals with sexual sins and prohibitions. In part (I have inserted whole paragraphs to present an in context view):
19 You must not approach a woman in her menstrual impurity to have sexual intercourse with her. 20 You must not have sexual intercourse with the wife of your fellow citizen to become unclean with her. 21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, so that you do not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord! 22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act. 23 You must not have sexual intercourse with any animal to become defiled with it, and a woman must not stand before an animal to have sexual intercourse with it; it is a perversion.
Leviticus 20
9 “‘If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He has cursed his
father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself. 10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father’s wife, he has exposed his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood guilt is on themselves. 13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no lewdness in your midst. 15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.

These two passages are from the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. One can argue these are part of the Jewish or Mosaic Law and are therefore obsolete; in that case, general adultery, incest and bestiality are also permitted along with homosexual conduct. Or is that the point?

First Timothy 1 (written by that suspect Paul fellow)

8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately, 9 realizing that law is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, perjurers – in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching. 11 This accords with the glorious gospel of the blessed God that was entrusted to me.

There is a note on the phrase ‘practicing homosexuals’ in verse 10 from the NET Bible: “…this term… ??se?????t?? states, “a male who engages in sexual activity w. a pers. of his own sex, pederast 1 Cor 6:9…of one who assumes the dominant role in same-sex activity, opp. µa?a???…1 Ti 1:10; Pol 5:3. Cp. Ro 1:27.” L&N 88.280 states, “a male partner in homosexual intercourse – ‘homosexual.’…It is possible that ??se?????t?? in certain contexts refers to the active male partner in homosexual intercourse in contrast with µa?a???, the passive male partner” (cf. 1 Cor 6:9). Since there is a distinction in contemporary usage between sexual orientation and actual behavior, the qualification “practicing” was supplied in the translation…”

First Corinthians 6 (also written by that questionable Paul)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This last passage strikes me an illuminating. Homosexuals are included in a list of sin categories which include heterosexual sexual sinners, idolaters, adulterers (distinct from ‘sexually immoral heterosexuals), thieves, greedy, drunkards, verbally abusive and swindlers. The phrase ‘verbally abusive’ is rather interesting. The NIV translates it as ‘slanderers’; I think ‘gossips’ might easily fit into the meaning. At any rate, people who say nasty things about others are lumped in with murderers, thieves and the sexually immoral (of any type).

The last verse in the paragraph implies a change of life in those reading the letter. “Some of you … lived… But you were washed… sanctified… justified…” So they were not just forgiven and allowed to continue; they changed their values and life-styles. The same implication applies to the sexually impure; they don’t do that sort of thing anymore; they avoid that sort of thing; they are ashamed of and denounce their own past behavior.

Therefore, the Old Testament writings prohibited homosexual conduct as does the writings of Paul, therefore the New Testament. The words used really do mean homosexual conduct and not just the generic ‘sexual misconduct’.

I’m really curious about the ‘equal scholarship’ which demonstrates what the Bible says isn’t what it means. I’d like to examine the line of thought and arguments.

The statement “…Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself” is incorrect and sloppy scholarship.

Matthew 22:
35 And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked him a question to test him: 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 Jesus 44 said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

This tenet goes past ‘unfundamentalism’ and is squarely non-Christian.

8. It is much more reasonable—and certainly more compassionate—to hold that throughout history God chose to introduce himself in different ways into different cultural streams than it is to believe that there is only one correct way to understand and worship God, and that the punishment for anyone who chooses any but that way is to spend all of eternity having the living flesh seared off of his or her bones.

More reasonable? By who’s standard? As a Christian, the only viewpoint that counts is God’s viewpoint. That ‘viewpoint’ is expressed in the Bible, which is – as noted prior – God’s message to humanity.

More compassionate? To whom? Not to mention under what definition of ‘compassion’? I find no compassion in patting someone in error on the head and say comforting words while allowing them to remain in error at the risk of Eternal Death.

So let’s go along with the idea of God introducing Himself into different cultural streams in different ways. Why would introduce Himself in a totally different manner if He’s the same, Eternal God? For instance, in the sub-continent which is now India, why would God decide not to be the Eternal God of Creation of the Jewish people, but instead be represented by a pantheon of conflicting gods which change over time? Why would Almighty God manifest Himself as the volcano god, demanding virgin sacrifices? Would God happily change Himself into the Great Green Arkleseizure of Viltvodle VI?

Is He still God? Is He bored and just experimenting? Can He not remember who He is, from epoch to epoch?

The idea appeals to the ‘open-minded’ who have no ideas about who God is, or what He should be or do. The concept flies in the face of the ultimate creator of the Universe and all things that exist, who is Eternal and changeless, who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. In other words, God.

Again, not just ‘unfundamentalist’, but not very good thinking and doctrinally non Christian.

9. “No one comes to the Father except through me” does not mean that in the afterlife only Christians can get into heaven. It means that Jesus/God decides who does and doesn’t make it in.

From this one is forced to believe Jesus will not judge between those who accept Him and those who don’t, but instead will judge by ad hoc rules of ‘good behavior’. I say ‘ad hoc’ because no such rules are outlined in the Bible.

All that stuff about believing in the Son and relying on Him in tenet 1 are out the window, then? It is good deeds that really make the difference?

This heresy is remarkably old as well. It predates Christianity, in fact.

Jesus mentioned this concept in Matthew Seven, starting with verse 15:
15 “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
24 “Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!”
So then, what about “… the one who does the will of my Father in heaven…”? John 15, starting with verse nine makes it clear:
9 “Just as the Father has loved me, I have also loved you; remain in my love. 10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. 11 I have told you these things so that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be complete.”

Nowhere in the Bible, nowhere in the quotations of Jesus, nowhere in the letters of the various apostles and elders in Jerusalem is any such doctrine mentioned or taught. In one setting (John 10:14-18), Jesus says,
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me – 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father – and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and one shepherd. 17 This is why the Father loves me – because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

Verse 16 is often used to ‘prove’ the heresy of various versions of God and or Jesus running about in human history, showing up in various forms and guises. One fellow seriously suggested it could indicate the existence of extra-terrestrial life. Actually, the statement simply indicates non-Jewish people were included. That’s all.

I personally don’t have any problem with extra-terrestrial life, or any of them being in Heaven. But it will be on the basis of an individual relationship with Jesus Christ.

I am also firmly convinced all the inhabitants of planet Earth will have adequate notice of the person and Deity of Jesus Christ. God is not the sort of being who looks for tiny excuses and ‘foot-faults’ to disqualify anyone from Heaven.

10. The question of whether or not hell is real is properly subsumed by the truth that a moment spent worrying if you’ll be with God in the afterlife is an opportunity missed to be with God in this life.

I agree. There is no point of wondering, let alone worrying, if Hell is real. Jesus talks about it too much to be in doubt. It isn’t pleasant, but it’s there. One is obliged to take note and do something to avoid residence.

11. God’s will and intention is to forgive and teach us, not to judge and punish us.

That is true, but only to a qualified extent. Jesus came to Earth as a mortal man to tell us what to do to avoid Eternal punishment and die in our place to pay the price for our sin. Obviously, God the Father was in on this plan as was the Holy Spirit.

God really does not want anyone to spend Eternity in Hell. However, since all mankind is in the default position of being in rebellion against God, mankind is by default condemned to Eternal Hell.

The words of Jesus in John, chapter three:
16 For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.
God is loving and concerned. God is simultaneously honest and just. God is God and that means – in a long list of other things – He will always conduct Himself as God and be true to His own nature.

There are also a number of references warning that when Jesus returns – ‘The Second Coming’ – He will in fact judge all people according to their alliances.

12. The only person who should be actively endeavoring to convert non-Christians into Christians is God. Jesus does not need our help drawing people towards him. He does need, or could certainly use, our help in making sure that people know that they are, just as they are, loved.

This statement directly contradicts the command of Jesus.

Matthew 28:16-20
16 So the eleven disciples went to Galilee to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age

Acts 1
6 So when they had gathered together, they began to ask him, “Lord, is this the time when you are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He told them, “You are not permitted to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.” 9 After he had said this, while they were watching, he was lifted up and a cloud hid him from their sight.

First Peter 3
15 But set Christ apart as Lord in your hearts and always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. (“Hope” here meaning the expectation of Eternal life with God.)

So in this statement again, the concept is not ‘un-fundamentalist’ but ‘un-Christian’.

13. Getting a divorce is painful, and if at all possible should certainly be avoided. But ultimately the act in and of itself is not immoral.

This statement flatly contradicts Jesus’ teaching on the subject.

Matthew 5
31 “It was said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a legal document.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19
3 Then some Pharisees came to him in order to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful to divorce a wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 Jesus said to them, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hard hearts, but from the beginning it was not this way. 9 Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery.” 10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the case of a husband with a wife, it is better not to marry!”11 He said to them, “Not everyone can accept this statement, except those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are some eunuchs who were that way from birth, and some who were made eunuchs by others, and some who became eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who is able to accept this should accept it.”

So yes, Jesus said divorce is an immoral act, save for the cause of adultery. Even then, the divorced man or woman is limited in options.

14. God does not want any woman “submitting” to anyone.

Another direct contradiction of Biblical teaching.

Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord, 23 because the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church – he himself being the savior of the body. 24 But as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her 26 to sanctify her by cleansing her with the washing of the water by the word, 27 so that he may present the church to himself as glorious – not having a stain or wrinkle, or any such blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In the same way husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

Colossians 3
18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them.

Oh, wait! That’s that questionable Paul again! Since Paul is so very questionable, we can ignore much of his writings – especially the parts about moral conduct, sexual misconduct and general carryings-on.

First Peter 3
1 In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, 2 when they see your pure and reverent conduct… like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. 7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

That’s the summation of Peter the Apostle. He agrees with Paul the suspect.

15. There were no dinosaurs on Noah’s ark; Jesus didn’t have a pet stegosaurus. An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.

Whooop! Whooop! Whooop! Strawman Alert!
So, just where do we find claims of dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark? Which gospel contains the story of Jesus and His pet stegosaurus? What kind of hairball ploy is this?

Okay, “An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.” That part is reasonable enough. However, this isn’t a matter of doctrinal distinction; it’s a matter of textual examination.

Dinosaurs on the Ark? Sheesh.

16. The single most telling indicator of a person’s moral character has nothing to do with how they define or worship God, and everything to do with how they treat others.

So, a relationship with God isn’t important; what is important is ‘good deeds’.

Actually, this is a deceptive argument; somewhat strawman in nature. I’ll agree one’s ‘moral character’ is not always dependent on how one defines or worships God. However, one’s moral character has nothing to do with one’s Eternal estate, being in a proper relationship with God and spending Eternity with God in Heaven.

One can be a rotten skunk and be bound for Heaven, or a very decent, clean, honest and honorable person going to Hell.

I know for a fact that my moral character was – for that matter ‘is’ – not always as good and shining as it ought to be. After becoming a Christian, I have sinned grievously, often and cheerfully. But my eternal destination is already secure and in Jesus’ care. As far as God is concerned in Judgment, I am as pure as Jesus.

Which is not to say I’m content in my life that way, or at peace with God. I found I was a jittery, angry, depressed, unsettled maniac; at least some combination of two or three of those. I can hide it well, but it’s there and I am very aware of it.

What happens is this: God works on me to make me into who – the type of person – He wants me to be, fit for Heaven in Eternity.

To conclude:

“Un-fundamentalists” accept the Deity, Sacrifice, Resurrection and Redemptive nature and power of Jesus Christ. However, they also believe God has appeared in other forms and guises, seemingly revealing other versions of Himself. So Jesus really isn’t uniquely God at all.

“Un-fundamentalists” deny the Divinely Inspired nature of the Bible, strip Paul’s writing of authority and accept homosexual misconduct – and by inference, heterosexual misconduct – as both normal and moral.

“Un-fundamentalists” claim the goal of Christianity is to live a good life; ‘good’ being defined by not offending anyone, getting along with all and ignoring Biblical principles if adherence would cause a row.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe Christians should not vote in accordance with Biblical principles. Nor should laws follow the long held traditions of either Judaism or Christianity.

“Un-fundamentalists” do not assume responsibility for evangelism; in fact, evangelism is discouraged.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe God never criticizes or judges human conduct. They believe there is no Hell. After all, God isn’t going to punish anyone for anything anyway.

All things considered, “Un-fundamentalist Christian” is not a properly descriptive phrase. Citing the serious theological and doctrinal differences between this cult and mainstream Christianity, I would suggest perhaps “Nearly Christian” would be a better description. Since the first tenet does recognize Jesus as God, perhaps “Barely Christian” would do.

Now, I know some bright soul is going to jump on me with the Biblical injunction of “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. The statement comes in Matthew 7, starting with the beginning of the chapter. The whole paragraph reads as follows:

1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. 3 Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? 5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces.

This whole speech is addressed at being judgmental of other people in regard to their fitness or standing before God. I am not ‘judging’ any person, but a set of beliefs and how they measure up to Christianity, I am not violating any injunction. Indeed, I am following a warning given by John the Revelator in First John 4:

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

So I am testing this ‘spirit’, this claim of revelation of God. I find interesting that tenet 1 claims to recognize Jesus as the Son of God in the Flesh, and then denies Jesus’ Deity in most of the subsequent tenets.

ChocolateHead #sexist reddit.com

A 14-year-old Afghan mother washing her new baby
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate and defend Afghan culture. Here come the downvotes.

14 years old is not the same there as it here. Their whole whole conception of what it means to be an adult and a child are completely different than ours. They don't have arbitrary lines defining when it's ok to vote (18), to drive (16), to drink (21), etc... because they don't have any of those things. They also don't have mandatory public school or college like we do, so they don't see a 14 year old as a "child" like we do. A 12 year old girl probably has all the same responsibilities in a household as an adult woman would have because she has nothing else to do. Now, I'm not defending sex with pre-pubescent girls, but if you want to understand what they're thinking, you have to understand their surroundings.

This can't be blamed completely on Islam. This type of thing is also partly (in my opinion, mostly) due to living in a tribal culture with no real law, institutions, media, education, etc... If you go to any backwards tribal culture you will see things that horrify you. I personally think the stuff that goes on in China is much more horrifying than this.

It's common to hear Westerners say things like that men over there "hate" women, "oppress" women, etc... You can disagree with how men treat women over there, but in their mind they think they are protecting and loving women. Now, once again, you can disagree with what they're doing, but ascribing it to evil motivations is wrong in my opinion.

I may be wrong, but this type of thing isn't common. I think this only happens in the most rural, uneducated, tribal areas. Educated city dwellers don't live like this, so it's not right to stereotype their entire region based on stuff like this.

Here's my most controversial defense: women are ready to have sex when they hit puberty. They're gonna do it no matter what. The American way is to have sex with people your own age clandestinely, oftentimes without your parents knowing or approving, and teenage pregnancy and disease is rampant here. At least there when they hit puberty they enter into a "loving" (you can obviously judge for yourself how loving those marriages are) relationship with a committed partner with approval from their friends and family. Girls in America get dumped a million times before they are 25, have sex with multiple partners, suffer emotional damage and self-esteem issues, etc... I'm not saying the way they do it is better, but it does have some positives that we overlook because we are so confident our way is better.

Malam Ya’u & Sheikh Fadlu Dan Almajiri Fagge #fundie pulse.ng

A father in Tudun Rubudi of Ungogo local government, Kano State has given his 13-year-old daughter to one of the four men who allegedly gang-raped her.
Usaini Ja’afar alongside Sani Isa, Jamilu Sani and Isa Musa were all arrested in December 2014 by Kano State Hisbah Board’s Dala Command after they were all found naked at an uncompleted building shortly after they had raped the 13-year-old girl.

According to Hisbah officials, three of the suspects confessed that they had raped the girl who was lured to the uncompleted building. During interrogations, one of the rapists, Usiani Ja’afar pleaded to marry the girl, begging her father to give his blessings.
The father, Malam Ya’u, a mechanic, spoke to Weekly Trust and revealed that he was at his garage working when Hisbah officials came with the news that his daughter had been raped.

Malam Ya’u said he wanted all of them to be tried and sent to jail for their crimes but had to change his stance after all of them showed remorse for the crime and one even pleading to marry the 13-year-old girl. “When all of them showed remorse, especially the one pleading to marry her, Ja’afar, I decided to temper justice with mercy,” the rape victim’s father told Weekly Trust.

According to Malam Yau, Usaini indicated his seriousness of marrying his daughter by carrying out the customary tradition of coming with his family to formally ask the hand of the girl in marriage. “He came with his uncle, who it turned out I already knew and had a cordial relationship with. So I accepted the request and will marry her off to him. In fact, the date for the wedding has been fixed since. I decided to allow him marry the girl because our consultations with our Malams (Islamic clerics) showed that there is nothing wrong about that,” Malam Ya’u said.

The forgiving father said he considered Ja’afar appeal because of the numerous plea he got from Usiani and his uncles. He also revealed that his daughter had undergone medical tests and result showed that she is okay.

According to Weekly Trust, a Kano-based Islamic scholar, Sheikh Fadlu Dan Almajiri Fagge, said that the Islam religion allows for a rape victim to marry the man who raped her provided certain conditions are met. “First, the girl has to observe Istibira’i, a month period to ensure absence of pregnancy. The girl should not also be among those prohibited for the rapist. Provided those conditions are met, marriage can take place with the consent of the girl and her parents,” Shiekh Fadlu Dan Almajiri Fagge said.

bob #fundie bobstruth.blogspot.ca

Has ANY female EVER been hurt by rape?

When Bob's mother was growing up the advice or rape that women of Bob's grandmother's generation gave them was "If rape is inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it." Feminists have decried this age-old female advice. It perpetuates ancient female knowledge that sex is a normal body activity that can be enjoyable, even if it wasn't her idea. Many years later Bob learned that the counselor's training manual at a local Rape Crisis Center contains advice for counselors to deal with women who enjoyed the rape and had screaming wild orgasms during the rape. Often, according to the manual, it leaves them confused about whether or not they are really a "victim" or a beneficiary of the rape.

Over several decades Bob has known several women who supposedly were raped, or legally were raped. For example, Bob once dated a young woman whose first sexual experience was being raped by a Catholic Priest at the age of 19. She was confused about the theological and religious implications, but she liked the sex well enough to give up celibacy and take up with men like me. One of the young females in Bob's high school had been doing sex with her uncle about once a week since she was 11 years old, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Legally, it was one of the most harshly prosecuted kinds of "rape" despite the lack of harm. The last time Bob saw her she was a well adjusted 29 year old wife and mother who still occasionally met her uncle for sex, and still enjoyed every hot fucking bit of it. The fictional rape of Scarlet by Ret Butler made Gone With the Wind into the best selling novel of all time, and rape continues to be a dominant theme in most female's chosen fiction.

Meanwhile the feminazi has condemned rape as the worst possible crime. Their rape-hate propaganda campaign has made virtually all sex into rape and all men into evil rapists. Any man convicted or who pleads guilty to a rape crime is vilified for life. Forever he must register his location with the blue gun thugs, have his neighbors notified, and not live near any normal location. Often he is driven out of town, every town. And the definition of "rape" has been expanded to include every sexual encounter that the female regrets the next day or the next year. Sex with young women is defined as "rape" for the purpose of vilifying young men, even while the woman is the active sexual aggressor. Sex is defined as "rape" by law when the female has had a few drinks for the purpose of vilifying young men, while a man is responsible for all of his actions such as sex or driving, even when he drank more than she did. An encounter where she went to his hotel room at midnight for the purpose of sex is called "rape" for the purpose of vilifying young men, if she didn't enjoy it as much as she hoped she would. And while it's not "rape" the playful or incidental touching of a girl by a 6 year old boy is now prosecuted criminally as "sexual abuse."

Over the past several decades Bob has read probably thousands of news stories about "rape," known several females who claimed to have a "my rapist," but Bob has never met a woman who suffered any actual harm from rape, by any definition. Now we are not talking about murder of battery which are different crimes. All you hysterical femorrhoids who immediately switch mentally from "rape" to serial murder can back off. Murder is a different topic. We are talking about rape, the forced sexual joining of a man and a female. The humping up and down without her controlling the man and the situation.

We are also not talking about the pain that some virgin women feel during their first sex. Virginal pain is normal to being female and sex regardless of the circumstances. Normal sexual feelings are irrelevant to the topic of rape.

In Bob's experience from talking to many females, the female often got hurt feelings from rape, mostly from the loss of control over the man and the situation. Often feminist females hold onto and nurse their hurt feelings for years or decades, refusing to let it go, waiving "my rapist" like a flag for admission to the feminist victimology club, much like DAR applicants pointing to "my ancestor." But were they hurt by the rape? Other than a few hurt feelings, not at all.

The counselor's guide for the Rape Crisis Center teaches counselors how to convince well fucked women that they are "victims!" when they had a good time getting laid. Grandmother's "relax and enjoy it" would be good advice to many who phone the Rape Crisis Center. But the femorrhoids who staff the Center work in the rape-hate industry. Every rape is a fate worse than death and the female is destroyed for life (don't ask them how). There are many urban legends about some female who almost died from the injuries suffered by rape, but like other urban legends nobody is able to track down who or where it actually happened. The so-called victims are encouraged to dwell on their victimhood, to amplify and magnify, to seek counseling in order to wallow in their hurt feelings. Having a good time and letting it go just isn't acceptable to those who use rape as a weapon in their hate war against men.

Bob has never met or known any woman who was hurt by rape other than a few hurt feelings which would go away quickly if they weren't fed and amplified over and over and over. Let's face it. The insertion of a cock into a cunt is a normal, natural body function for both the man and the female. It's how cunts work and what they do. It's their normal function. There are two billion or more women on earth who, on average, enjoy sex ever week or two. That means that a million women somewhere in the world are enjoying the insertion of a cock into their cunts right now as you read this article. It just doesn't cause physical injury to the female no matter who decided that now would be a good time to do it.

How about you readers? Do you know any female who was actually hurt by being raped, by being forced to accept a man's cock in her cunt? If you do please let us know with specifics, not urban legends. Leave out the mass murder scenarios too, that's murder, not rape. Bob just doesn't think rape actually hurts anyone and therefore is not is a serious crime at all. What do you all say?

Linda Harvey #fundie missionamerica.com

I attended a recent "gay pride" parade in Columbus. I'd been to one a few years earlier, and the bad news is that the event has grown much, much larger.

Corporate support is everywhere. Macy's, J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, JC Penney, Chipotle, Frito-Lay, and many others. Local Ohio banks, Fifth-Third and Huntington. American Family Insurance. All had sizeable contingents of marchers and banners.

So the continuing high incidence of HIV among males who have sex with males, generating around 29,000 new cases per year in the U.S., is acceptable to these companies and their boards of directors? Just asking. This abundant fruit, so to speak, of the homosexual community is now ignored by the media and considered a big yawn, except by those infected, of course.

JC Penney even sponsored a "Teen Village," with activities for teens from ages 13 to 19 well into Saturday evening following the parade. Aside from the disturbing thought of 13- year- olds socializing with 19- year- olds (apparently no one is concerned here about the potential for child molestation), the teen program advertised that it would include performances by "drag queens and kings," which are males and females flamboyantly dressed as the opposite sex.

And we wonder why some kids are seriously messed up?

Also among the parade marchers were proud politicians. And churches: Episcopal, United Methodist, Evangelical Lutheran and Metropolitan Community Churches, which are founded on a pro-homosexual platform.

One banner from the New Creation Metropolitan Community Church included a prominent slogan: "United Against the Flood of Homophobia." I looked around. There were thousands of cheering people and not one visible expression of homophobia, or even disapproval, much less anything like a flood. And of course, the lavish parade itself, including banners on all the city streetlight poles, was allowed on Columbus' main thoroughfare. Hyperbole, anyone? But no surprise. This movement has cut its teeth on over-the-top whining and victim posturing.

The most disturbing element was the children, lots of them, many with some sort of rainbow jewelry, flag or banner on a stroller. Signs like, "I love my two dads," which the nine or ten-year old next to "dad" had stopped holding and dad was doing for him. Again, what about the mom deliberately left out of this picture? Children want to know both their moms and their dads. To deny them this, is to be selfish, immature parents.

What these folks are proud of is deeply disturbing as a cultural trend but more importantly as an indicator of the depraved values they accept and are working actively to promote. Homosexuality is profoundly disordered, is often harmful physically [think, anal sex between two guys], is empty of the creation of new life, and ends up hurting the participants themselves as well as those to whom their lives are connected. And it's not "hate" to say so-just fact.

Homosexuality is also a considerable threat to religious liberty and free speech, as the demand to show "respect" for these lifestyles is fast becoming a club to silence people who won't assent and don't want homosexual approval taught to their children. The leaders of this movement talk about tolerance, but check out what they do, not what they say. The unfounded harassment incidents are starting to pile up.

Various Incels #sexist #pedo incels.co

(Personalityinkwell)

https://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=165102

[Brutal] teens talk about virginity loss age and experience

brutal thread, while we were coping with vidya after a day of bullying, this is what chads and foids were up to.

Chads losing it young of course:
This chad lost it at age 10 or 11. hey, how could he remember? it's not like sex is a big deal for chad since he does it all the time: https://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2111079&postcount=3

This chad lost it late for a chad, 13. he banged his loli girlfriend in all her holes: https://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=165102

This chad lost it at 13, but only has a 3.5 inch dick! (I guess dicks grow though during puberty, but that's micropenis territory) https://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2188117&postcount=39

Sluts starting early:

This girl got fucked in all her holes at age 11 https://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2111526&postcount=10

This girl was 11 when she lost he bi virginity and lost her "real" virginity at age 12 https://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2393335&postcount=60

This one is disturbing, she was age 8 and banged her dad. She claims he had 9 inch dick. (LARP?) https://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2626589&postcount=68

@Personalityinkwell really wants to make me suicidal

my threads are too brutal

I wonder if any bluepilled lurkers offed themselves reading my threads

JFL I didn't even read the first chad story

him and his 11 year old friend dp'd a 9-10 year old foid

insane

(Grothendieck)

Imagine waking up to a hebe. Little ass cuddled into your groin, her flat chest softly rising and falling with each breath. Messy hair in your face, but you don't care, you can smell the anticipatory scent of the beginning of her puberty. That intensely arousing hormonal smell. You feel the soft, light blond baby hairs on her legs and arms and she lets out a little yawn. Giggles as she feels your cock against her butt.

(nihility)

This is madness. That's how ERs are made, hearing all of that from your peers it's hard to not go crazy

(Pumkin)

that spoiler is brutal
memories came flooding back of when i'd spend my weekends playing gameboy and thinking everybody else must be nerdy like me then have to go to school on monday to listen to a classmate talk about having threesomes with girls and getting blowjobs on the school bus

it still irks me that i was 15 and riding the school bus then one of my classmates would be in the back giving blowjobs to senior boys then come up to the front and sit next to me to chat when she was done. just after she finished swallowing Chad cummies they would tell her to fuck off so she would sit next to the pussy beta (me) to cheer her up. yet she did this week after week? how does that make any logical fucking sense to give blowjobs to guys that don't give a fuck about you and then neglect the people that are treating you nice?

females are pieces of shit

Teutonic Knight #sexist #wingnut incels.co

(in response to this)

It's already like this. Your children are essentially property of the state and they can rat on their fathers to some social service and the state will take them away from their family very quickly.

Fathers can't assert themselves as fathers. Their role is to provide for their children and can only hope they won't turn degenerate. As a father, you have absolutely no options in the West to assert any sort of values and discipline. The state is teaching your children to be degenerates through school system, through media and through pop culture.

Being a father these days is being a servant of the state, helping the state raising a next generation of loyal degenerate Westerners and providing material means for that (you're not allowed to raise them in your own values).

As far as daughers are concerned, the only ones who benefit from this are young Chads who get to have them freely.

It's really retarded when people here act like lowering age of consent would fix their problems when those women would just go for older Chads then. JFL at thinking 14 year old girls would be interested in some 30-year-old balding virgin incel.

Dongzhi Chen, et. al. #fundie whatsonweibo.com

The Resurgence of the Tiger Dad: Fathers Pushing Their Daughters – for Whose Good?
by Yue Xin

The phenomenon of the ‘tiger mother’, a strict mom who pushes her children to be successful, became popular through the 2011 book Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother by Amy Chua. Recent trends seem to signal a reevaluation of the stern, disciplinary father. On social media, many wonder why these fathers are pushing their daughters, and for whose good they actually do it.

The hashtag “Chinese piano girl stuns American audiences” has occupied the top searching lists on Sina Weibo, with many users praising Anke’s talents and hard efforts.

“Having just learned to play the piano for two years and four months, Anke now is able to play the pieces of grade 10 [the highest level before the ARCT],” Chen’s father Dongzhi Chen proudly told a reporter. He determinedly expressed his goals to train Anke to be a piano master and “the second Lang Lang” to China.

This is also what Anke told NBC’s host Steve Harvey when he asked the 5-year-old about her future dreams. But later, when he asked her the question “How did you start to play?”, she replied: “Dad wanted me to.”

Since her American television adventure, Anke has returned to her tightly scheduled life that revolves around the piano. She practices 4 hours a day, takes master’s classes at the Central Conservatory of Music, goes to concerts, and has dinner with fellow piano players. In the evenings when she has dinner with her dad, he makes her watch piano concerts on the computer.

In the Pear video, Anke initially almost seems to be a carefree girl- running around her dad like a butterfly. But the video report also shows how her father continuously sternly warns and commends his daughter to “listen to your father”, stop “fiddling around,” “stop wasting time and play the piano,” or to “show a happy face.”

The video also includes a short scene where Anke goes downstairs hoping to play with some friends, only to find herself alone: “My friends have probably all forgotten about me,” she says as she silently watches other children play on the basketball field.

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Subtitle: “Don’t give me a bitter face.” (Screenshot of Pearvideo.)

“It’s very possible that she will hate me in the future. But I think it is the only way to realize her life values,” Dongzhi Chen says in the video: “I know this is the hardest route for her and I’ve expected the worst. But I believe if she can play the piano well, she will be smart and successful in doing other things too.”

[...]

Being a student of conservatory of music was a dream of Chen himself, but it did not happen because Chen’s family did not have the money for it. He explains: “Therefore, I want my daughter to continue to explore the ultimate beauty of music for me.”

Chen’s story resonates with that of China’s highest-grossing Indian film Dangal (?????). In this true story, a former wrestler has the unfulfilled dream to win a gold medal for India. He swears to train his future son to achieve this dream for him. But when he only has daughters, he decides to train them instead to become India’s first female champion wrestlers.

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Chinese film poster of Dangal.

The film has received much praise from Chinese audiences. The movie received the high score of 9.2 out of 10 on Douban.com, a popular Chinese reviewing website for films or books.

The great popularity of Dangal in China is not coincidental. China and India share some common cultural characteristics. Both countries attach importance to filial piety, emphasize patriotism in sports, and promote “painful education” (????). The latter is especially visible in Dangal, where the father makes his daughters get up at 5 AM every day for training and makes them cut off their long hair.

State-owned news media Xinhua recently published an article about family values that can be learned from this film. The article says: “These Indian girls had no choice of life at all. It was their father who forced them and offered them new possibilities. In the perspective of gaining skills and obtaining knowledge, education is painful and is against one’s own instinct […] Parents need to lead their children and show them the way, as they don’t have the ability to judge for themselves.”

On Sohu, a recent article that received nearly 20 million views called on Chinese parents to “form a community” with their children. It said: “The medal is a joint achievement shared by father and daughter. Studying is a process of co-operation.”

[...]

In the Pear Video interview, the reporter asks Anke’s father if he will provide his daughter with more choices in the future. He answers: “She can have many choices, but this road [that I chose for her] will be doomed to fail if that happens.”

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Anke’s ‘tiger dad’: “I hope she will pursue music all her life.”

Chinese parents have a long-standing reputation for being strict, and for making huge sacrifices for their children’s education. Anke’s father is no exception; he is so determined to train a child music prodigy that he seems to be ready to deal with any hardships that might come. But why are these ‘tiger dads’ so desperate to push their daughters to become superstars?

Socio-economic reasons play a major role. According to a study by McKinsey & Company, 76% of China’s urban population will be considered middle class by 2022. With this explosive growth of the emerging middle class, many Chinese parents see education as a crucial factor to improve the social mobility of their children.

For girls, this is especially important. The traditional patriarchal culture in China has negatively affected the social status of women throughout history. In contemporary society, their roles as wives and mothers are still often prioritized once they have babies. But as an indirect consequence of China’s one child policy, daughters have come to play a more important role in the family, generally receiving more parental attention and a better education than in the decades preceding the policy.

The role of the father in being the one who makes the most important decisions on children’s education comes from a long-standing tradition. An old Chinese saying “strict father, kind mother” (????) describes parenting in traditional Chinese society, where fathers are the stern disciplinarians who have more to say about their children’s education and than the mother. The mother’s role, traditionally, was defined by the persisting idea of “men rule outside, women rule inside” (“???,???”); meaning that women should be confined to the ‘inside’ sphere of family and home, occupying themselves with the household, while men deal with the ‘outside’ world of work, finances, community, etc.

The Chinese cultural concept of ‘mianzi‘ or ‘face’ also plays an important role. Representing a person’s reputation and prestige, parents gain ‘face’ when their children succeed. An ‘unsuccessful’ child would be a father’s shame.

As Anke’s father tells Pear Video: “If she would end up with a nine-to-five job, such as working in a musical instruments store, I would consider it a failure.”

[...]

One comment, receiving the most likes, said: “If this little girl is truly happy to play the piano, and she sure seems to be very gifted and willing to do so, I don’t think there’s any reason to criticize her father.”

Others also praised Dongzhi Chen, writing: “This dad is really awesome. Anyone who has kids will know that you can never force a child to do something. The media always wants to point out [these stories about] fathers who will force their own dreams upon their children, but the fact is that if the kid doesn’t want to do it, it won’t happen – no matter how she is pushed by her dad. The reason why this girl is so good now is because of her father’s guidance and education.”

But there are also those who oppose to the father’s parenting style: “I really hate this kind of parent. It’s fine to lead or guide your kid if she excels in some areas, but I feel disgusted that he just sits there and acts like he’s the kid’s almighty God.”

Some disapprovingly say: “He already has himself, why does he need a second person like him?”

There are also commenters who say that watching Dangal has changed their outlook: “After I watched this film, my attitude towards these kind of parents has changed completely.”

Others agreed, saying: “This movie truly is an inspiration – it is an encouragement for the tiger dad (??).”

drkresearch #conspiracy nodisinfo.com

Kalamazoo Shooting is a Gun Control Hoax Totally Fake

Regarding the Kalamazoo, Michigan, shooting there is no possibility it is real. The only possibility is that it is a fake, make no mistake about it.

Yet, it is said that, incredibly, six people were shot dead all over the city with others wounded. The ‘dead,’ it is said, including a father and son combo, who were supposedly shot in front of a vehicle dealership.

Thus, it is said:

Among the victims whose lives were taken, 60-year-old Mary Jo Nye of Battle Creek, her 62-year-old sister-in-law Mary Lou Nye of Baroda, 68-year-old Barbara Hawthorne and 74-year-old Dorothy Brown, both of Battle Creek.

It is also said that “All four women, along with a 14-year-old girl, had dinner at Cracker Barrel, went to see a show at Miller Auditorium and had returned to the restaurant to pick up a car.They were shot while sitting in their vehicles.

The world knows it is in trouble when the big story of the day is a policeman shining a light at a bush. This is the standard of the hoax, especially those committed in the dark of the night. It was done at the Charlie Hebdo hoax: no surprise, here.

Nicole Leaman #sexist disciplesperspective.com

Tomboys and Pansies Part 2

So we talked last week about the importance of raising boys to be men and girls to be women. If we don’t, the children will learn it one way or another…whether they are told/taught or what they see and emulate. I was not verbally taught the importance of being a woman. I saw and learned through my fantastic, feminine mother, but I rejected it because I thought women were inferior to men. I wasn’t shown through scripture where it spoke of beauty and that ‘helper’ in Genesis is only used to reference how God is our helper. My job as helper is that important! I emulated my dad because I wanted to make him proud. I wanted to spend time with him. My dad was into military stuff and so I was too. My dad valued sports and so I was too. My dad was into motorcycles so I was into off-roading as I identified with man’s role. The scary thing about this is I didn’t do this knowingly. It was sub conscience. This is one of the main reasons why I am so passionate about. I wasn’t thinking with a masculine mindset on purpose. I was not normal. “There is nothing wrong with…yes, you are different but that’s Ok.” I hate to break the news to people but I was not normal.
Imagine me, a 10-11 year old girl crying as my dad and brother got to go out to a men’s retreat–camping in the woods, riding off-road vehicles, and shooting guns. So much fun! Take a glimpse into my thought process: This is totally unfair. How come I have to stay here while they get to go out and have fun. What am I going to do? Why did I have to be made a girl? Unfortunately, the next year it was called “family retreat.” I was the only girl that went.
Fast forward a few years and here I was at 24 years…Life was great (or so I thought),. Top sports athlete at school, honor society, gifted musician, held leadership roles in high school, police explorer, no drugs, no sex, everyone loved me, I was helpful and considerate to others, I wasn’t a jerk or a bully, my parents were extremely proud, and I was the example everyone looked to (well, I got told that a lot anyway). I had reached every major goal I set in life just about. I went to college on a sports scholarship, got a degree, joined the national guard, and I was hired at a major city police department. Someone asked me, “Wow, you have completed so much and you are only 24? What else do you want to do in life? What is your next goal? I looked at that person, thought about it for a second, and I replied, “I don’t know. I’ll have to think about it.” (Red flags anyone? Any at all?) Some people said when I was younger, “It’s a phase, she’ll grow out of it.” At 24, I identified with men more than I did with women and I had not grown out of that masculine phase…until one day…
I was sitting in church when my mom quickly rushed to me and said, “Did you see that new guy? [me] What new guy? [her] The guy who is in the military?” [me] No, I haven’t.” The church service was about to begin so I sat down. I had not seen this new guy people were talking about. Then my sister leaned over and said, “He is sitting by Eli. We stood for we stood up for the singing of a hymn. As I stood up I glanced behind and he was looking straight at me. Staring at my eyes not ashamed or shy in doing so…..(be still my beating heart).
And then began the hardest, difficult, most fulfilling, and liberating year of my short life. Questions started being raised such as, “Do you think the Bible supports women in the police force? What is the difference between combat in the military and combat in the police force? Do you think you are too masculine? Shouldn’t you work on your femininity…after all, you are a woman and not a man.” Observations were being communicated such as, “Did you know you walk like a man? Your posture seems aggressive. Do you think you do a better job at being a man than I do? Do you even want to be a woman?”
When these questions and observations came flooding into my life, I realized that I had never really been asked or questions about them in the past. Everybody thought it was just “who I was” and they wanted to support me. I believe that this is one of the most unloving things a person can do. My sin was in my heart and it came out in my actions (James 1:14-15, Jer 27:9). I didn’t think about these things. I just wasn’t interested in feminine things. I wasn’t interested in being a true woman. People saw this and recognized it and the most I got from people was this: “We are afraid for you” (in regards to military life and police work), “You should dress up more often” (Why? I didn’t want to do that ‘stupid stuff’.)
I sowed masculine seeds in my field and guess what popped in my life? You guessed it–I reaped masculine traits. I walked, talked, acted, sat, and dressed like a man. Like I mentioned before, I did not do this very consciously. I thought men were superior to women so why in the world would I want to emulate women?? In a culture that despises weakness, frailty, homemakers, house wives etc, why would a talented person like myself care for any of that stuff? No, no, this was deep in my psyche. When I was 17 years old, I looked at my amazing aunt of 6 boys said, “Why would I want to be a homemaker? I want to do something with my life.” I despised woman’s role….and it showed. These things should be understood by all; so please, if you know a ‘tomboy’ try to invest in her life. She most likely is struggling much like I did. There is probably something going on deep down that will take a lot of patience and wisdom in helping her to see, by God’s grace, the beauty, importance, and value of womanhood.
Why didn’t people sit me down and explain to me that our God values beauty in women and He made us and designed us specifically to complement man whom He also designed in a specific way to complement women. Some say its genetics…that women who display more masculine traits than feminine or men who exhibit feminine traits then masculine were born that way. This is a lie straight from the ultimate deceiver himself. A man who identifies with women, and a woman who identifies with men, are in a sinful state, period. I am a woman.You cultivate a flower in fertile soil and it will grow. That man who asked me the extremely tough and hard questions knew this….He knew that I was, deep down, and woman…like all women. He knew that if he cultivated and encouraged me to be feminine I would flourish. And let me tell you what friends–I have never felt so liberated in my life. Being a true woman who needs a true man and fulfilling the role God has called me to be is amazing. Feminism is a lie; I can tell you from my own experience how devastating, oppressive, and just how dysfunctional a family can become, by not enforcing those ‘horrible, evil’ stereotypes on their little girls.

theantifeminist #sexist theantifeminist.com

Note the sentence ”with men seeming to prefer women younger than the age of peak fecundity‘. I’ve argued for this for ten years now, putting myself against the Manosphere core assumption that because of the well known ‘scientific fact’ that women peak in fertility around the age of 21, it follows that this is the age most normal men find most attractive in a woman. It has most firmly been enshrined in Manosophere lore by the grandee Rollo Tomassi and his infamous ‘peak sexual market value curve’ graph.

SMV curve Rollo Tomassi

As you can see, he actually claims that a woman reaches her peak sexual market value at the age of 23 (presumably, Tomassi thinks peak female fertility occurs at that age). This always struck me as complete and utter nonsense. A peak fertility of 21 or 23 (if that age is correct, and might not always historically have been so and is likely influenced by age of motherhood itself) means nothing other than it is the age at which women are most likely to give birth at after sex. It might say something important about likely female sexual strategy or preferences, it tells us little or nothing about what age a man would be expected to prefer in a sexual partner. In a society or culture in which some form of mate bonding is the norm, a man who is attracted to 15 year old girls will have a massive advantage over somebody attracted primarily to 23 year old women. Not only is the former choosing a female with far more reproductive years ahead of her, the 15 year old girl is of course far more likely to be a virgin. I’m not a regular reader of Rollo Tomassi, but I can assume he is aware of the importance of the ‘mummy’s baby, daddy’s maybe’ maxim in male evolutionary sexual strategies. Therefore, evolution has produced men to prefer young pubescent girls.

As the quote says, the most optimal mate seeking strategy for men would be to find a female who has only just begun ovulating, or is soon to start ovulating. In other words not yet pregnant, but about to be so (with your sperm if you can capture her heart (or father’s blessing) first). For most of human history, females would be impregnated as soon as they were able to be. On the male side, the winning reproductive lottery ticket goes to the man who is able to attract and keep a girl who is just starting puberty (and preferably other such girls too). Everybody alive today is the genetic result of our ‘paedophile’ sex predator ancestors.

Isn’t it ironic, that this whole paedohysteria over ‘sex predators’ is about stopping men doing what is most natural to them, and most essential to the survival of the human species – mate bonding with young teens?

PANZER #fundie plus.google.com

[A post about Assigned Male, an admittedly awful comic about trans people. All emphasis from original.]

Episode 1 - Assigned Male / Stephie

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Okay, so, you're here reading this very post, so I can only assume you've heard about the internet monstrosity we refer to as "Assigned Male", a web comic about an 11 year old (the age will come up again later) Trans-Girl who was born a male named Stephie, presumably after the author that looks similar to Bridget from the movie Trolls. (photo below.)

Now, back to the issue at hand. Most of the "Assigned Male" comics have been about shaming the "cis" community. First of all, let's backtrack. The author portrays "cis" people as evil bigots in almost every issue of the series. FIRST OFF, "cis" shouldn't be a classification at all. Perhaps, better idea, "cis" should be swapped for another word; "sane", something Stephie clearly is not.

Now, I have placed an instance of "Assigned Male" below. Look familiar to you? It's literally propaganda. Propaganda is made with a few methods: one being demonizing your enemy. Now, find an Assigned Male comic with a "cis" character that isn't made to look like a bad person? Hard, isn't it?

Hitler's propaganda in WW2 featured Jewish people with abnormally long noses and curly hair. Why? To make the enemy look evil and that they shouldn't be trusted. That gained the trust of the German people, and thus, the Holocaust happened with people supporting it.

The shot below features a Grandpa saying that he wants his Grandson/Granddaughter to grow up and be strong like their father.
Uh...
Where exactly is the cissexist hate there, Stephie? A loving Grandfather wants his Grandchild to grow up and be big and strong. That can be carried out for either sex, so that basically just made Stephie look like a fucking retard. But wait, there's more!

This next instance of "Assigned Male" portrays a transgender eleven year old proclaiming that nobody asked him (fuck you, Stephie, I'm calling you by what you were assigned: a male) what he was. Now, first off, lemme allow you to digest the comic below. First off, Stephie, nobody is going to come up and FUCKING ASK YOU what you identify as. That isn't a normal thing to ask in a conversation. Speaking of abnormal things to say in a conversation; the dialogue in Assigned Male is ATROCIOUS, not only in quality but how it portrays pre-teens. Stephie, the author, is acting as if these pre-teens have had a full four years at both Harvard and MIT. NO FUCKING PRE-TEEN SPEAKS LIKE THIS.

Oh, did you think it was over there? Examine this next comic. Did you spot the error? I already have.
Stephie, I have a question:

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE EXTERNAL GENITALIA?

No, seriously. Has our friend Stephie been working with fucking Mutants? Considering he looks like one, probably. Look, I don't mean to Labelle all Trans people here; but these comics are just making you look fucking stupid. Not intelligent.

Now, remember how I said I'd bring up the age again? Here it is: Stephie's characters are all pre-teens. Sure, cool, why is that important?

Bigger question is, why is Stephie in real life concerned with children's genitalia? Let that sink in. We aren't dealing with just some average trans fool, we're dealing with a fucking pedophile. Remember PepeGamerXL? One of those.

Another question, why exactly does Stephie treat Transgender-ism as if there were 7 separate sexes?
You know what else have seven separate sexes?

The Boov, from the children's movie "Home". To be exact, Male, Female, BoyGirl, GirlBoy, BoyBoy, BoyBoyGirl, and BoyBoyBoyBoy. That's bad enough, considering Stephie is treating the group he is promoting as if they were Aliens from a kids movie. Now, hold on a second, the more I think of it, Sophie even looks like a Boov.

Now, remember Fiona from Shrek? Well- actually, no, nevermind, I feel bad for comparing that disgusting freak of nature to Fiona. To be brutally honest, Stephie was probably Assigned Female and fabricated the story that she was born a Male to cover up the fact that she looks like a Shrek character.

Moral of the story: don't be a fucking faggot.
And don't be Sophie Labelle.

[Mission Complete!]
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Scott Lively #fundie scottlively.net

Milo and the “Stockholm Syndrome” of Sodom
Posted on February 22, 2017 by Pastor Scott
In the mid-1970s, America was introduced to “Stockholm Syndrome” when 19 year old Berkeley student and heiress Patty Hearst was transformed from kidnap victim to domestic terrorist by identifying with her captors. Stockholm Syndrome is trauma-induced mental enslavement to the person or group causing the trauma, and Hearst has ever since been its poster child. Her identity hijacked, she joined her Simbionese Liberation Army kidnappers and eventually went to jail for crimes she committed voluntarily in that false persona.

In the unfolding spectacle of the Milo Yiannopoulos pederasty scandal, America is being introduced to a far more potent and common form of this phenomenon: Sodom Syndrome. Like millions of boys through the centuries, 14-year old Milo was recruited into homosexuality by an adult homosexual predator. He then justified his molester, “Father Michael,” in his own mind and recently in unwise but candid media comments. Very typically of adult homosexual men who experienced similar recruitment, Milo portrayed Father Michael as a sort-of coming-of-age mentor, and his young teen self as a consensual partner, fully competent to make his own decisions. (Historically, most male leaders of the “gay” movement share this profile).

In response to the scandal, Milo has recast himself as a helpless victim. While this seems cynical, he actually IS a victim to a far greater extent than most people, and even he himself, realize. I believe what Milo experienced at 14 was Sodom Syndrome, and like Patty Hearst to the SLA, his identity was subsumed into the LGBT culture by psycho/sexual trauma, reinforced by associating sexual climax with his predator’s orientation. Its all about brain chemistry and subconscious coping mechanisms, not free choice – at least not at first.

Like Milo I had a bad relationship with my father, and ventured into the world at an early age. An alcoholic from age 12 and a pothead/drug addict from 14 I lived a vagabond/hitchhiker lifestyle that lasted over ten years and spanned the continent. As such I was a ripe target for recruitment by predators and was solicited by “gay” recruiters countless times. To be fair, only rarely did these men attempt force and fortunately none was successful. To be clear, I never experienced same-sex attraction and didn’t succumb to “gay” recruitment, though I don’t believe anyone is immune to Sodom Syndrome.

When I was about 14 or 15, I spent an afternoon smoking pot with a “gay” guy in his 20’s who explained that young people during puberty have a very fluid sexual identity and how easy it had been for him to turn young teen boys into sex partners. I was very non-judgmental in those days, and didn’t think twice about it, nor similar conversations I had with other homosexuals (though few were that forthright). A confirming study I later saw said 25% of young teens suffer same-sex confusion but most grow out of it naturally by the end of adolescence.

After I had surrendered my life to Christ, been delivered from my addictions and started a family of my own, I saw the world in a wholly different light. A nineteen-year old man, who had “come out” as “gay” after being molested seven or eight years earlier, himself molested a four-year-old boy. I was close to both families and watched that child change from sweet and loveable to hyperactive and rage-driven. He never became homosexual himself to my knowledge, but never really recovered either and now in his 40s lives a miserable life of addiction and crime.

Later as my compassion grew for homosexuals, we took in a repentant ex-“gay” who was dying of AIDS. Sonny lived with us for the last year of his life and I was with him when he died. He attributed his homosexuality to being raped at age seven in a YMCA men’s room by a friend of his father. Sonny’s form of Sodom Syndrome compelled him to seek “gay” sex in settings with the strong smell of urine. He never chose to be that way and expressed deep shame in it, but even in his last days in Christ, the pattern burned into his brain by the youthful trauma remained the identity of his flesh while his mind and spirit were freed only through sexual abstinence.

In the earliest days of my ministry I had the pleasure of making friends with Anthony Falzerano, a leader of the ex-“gay” movement. He said the most common denominator in boys who get recruited is a kind-of “father-hunger” due to troubled family relationships, and that this is easily recognized by predators on the prowl because they suffered it themselves. He and other ex-“gay” leaders showed me by example that the cure to homosexual dysfunction is restoration of male normalcy through long-term healthy relationships with fatherly mentors.

My ex-“gay” friend Richard of Portland, OR sought me out in this way after the predator who made him his houseboy at age 12 (his piano teacher) kicked him out and replaced him when he got too old. My fatherly help blessed Richard through some rough times and gave me personal experience in mentoring ex-“gays.” He never went back and is doing well today.

I’m frequently accused by pro-LGBT leftists of being a suppressed homosexual myself because my life’s work has been opposing their agenda. That’s not true of me, but I’m not insulted by the suggestion because I don’t despise homosexuals like they assume. I do this work because I am a Christian saved by grace, trained for and assigned to this work by my Savior. I do it because I recognize that the sin of Sodom is the most destructive force in human civilization, singularly unique in it’s condemnation in the Bible. I do it because I don’t want to see any more young people lose their innate heterosexual identity to the Sodom Syndrome. Make no mistake – the problem is growing like runaway cancer because we’ve allowed it to go mainstream.

Past criticisms notwithstanding, my heart grieves for Milo Yiannopoulos, because I see what I might myself have become under different circumstances and it is hard to watch anyone crash and burn so spectacularly. What Milo really needs is his Father in Heaven, of course, but he also needs a Dad to lead him out of the darkness of perversion back into the light of normalcy. I pray that this crisis will open his life and heart to both. I’m personally willing to help him in that, if he doesn’t have anyone else. I also pray that Milo’s suffering will not be in vain, but truly open America’s eyes to Sodom Syndrome and it’s own sin in pretending – as a way to avoid confronting hard truths and harsh push-back — they’re all just “born that way” and can’t be cured.

Southern-Conservatism #fundie southern-conservatism.tumblr.com

[[An 11 year old girl is raped every night by her father. She happens to get pregnant on account of that. So should she be forced to carry the fetus to term? I've brought this up to other conservatives and they say, "Well that's an extreme and rare case." If it's so rare and so extreme, how come I've known women in my life who have been in that exact situation. No one is for abortion. But sometimes it is a woman or a girls only choice.]]

no thats not her only choice. she has other choices. age and situation does not matter. rape is horrible no matter the age of the victim but that is not the fault of the child that is conceived. they do not deserve to die because of their fathers crime. as long as the girl is physically able to carry to term she should. a child concevied in rape is no less worthy of their life.

theantifeminist #sexist theantifeminist.com

As you can see, he actually claims that a woman reaches her peak sexual market value at the age of 23 (presumably, Tomassi thinks peak female fertility occurs at that age). This always struck me as complete and utter nonsense. A peak fertility of 21 or 23 (if that age is correct, and might not always historically have been so and is likely influenced by age of motherhood itself) means nothing other than it is the age at which women are most likely to give birth at after sex. It might say something important about likely female sexual strategy or preferences, it tells us little or nothing about what age a man would be expected to prefer in a sexual partner. In a society or culture in which some form of mate bonding is the norm, a man who is attracted to 15 year old girls will have a massive advantage over somebody attracted primarily to 23 year old women. Not only is the former choosing a female with far more reproductive years ahead of her, the 15 year old girl is of course far more likely to be a virgin. I’m not a regular reader of Rollo Tomassi, but I can assume he is aware of the importance of the ‘mummy’s baby, daddy’s maybe’ maxim in male evolutionary sexual strategies. Therefore, evolution has produced men to prefer young pubescent girls.

As the quote says, the most optimal mate seeking strategy for men would be to find a female who has only just begun ovulating, or is soon to start ovulating. In other words not yet pregnant, but about to be so (with your sperm if you can capture her heart (or father’s blessing) first). For most of human history, females would be impregnated as soon as they were able to be. On the male side, the winning reproductive lottery ticket goes to the man who is able to attract and keep a girl who is just starting puberty (and preferably other such girls too). Everybody alive today is the genetic result of our ‘paedophile’ sex predator ancestors.

biblicalgenderroles #fundie biblicalgenderroles.com

A young 12 year old girl would have witnessed births by many women by the time she reached 12 and would be fully aware of periods, child bearing and birth long before these things happened to her. She would already have been learning about child care well before she reached puberty. Her whole life would have been leading up to the time when she could finally marry and have children of her own.

So in many ways, a 12 year old girl in pre modern times would have had the maturity level of what many 18 or even 20 year old girls have today.

Also we must keep in mind that before the modern era, families took care of other and were much closer. So when a 13 or 14 year woman had her first baby, her female relatives, whether they were cousins, or aunts, or even her mother were all there to help her learn the ropes of motherhood. Today the tribal family structure has all but been eliminated.

Men can father children at any age beyond puberty

Unlike women who ovulate once a month, and are only fertile for about 5 days, the typical man (unless he has a medical condition) is in essence “fertile” every day. A man completely replenishes his sperm every 24 hours. Before recent research, doctors used to tell men to wait every other day to have sex with their wives during her fertile period. Then they discovered that is was in fact better for them to have sex every day, as all the sperm is at its best every 24 hours or so.

A man since he was not responsible for caring for the child, but for the teaching and disciplining of the child, did not need to have the physical strength and endurance that a woman needed in her duties of child rearing, and this is why a man has no expiration date on his ability to produce children.

The fact of God’s creation in human biology is, men are built for fathering multiple children with multiple women at the same time. They are also built for fathering children with multiple generations of women, as their first wives age and cannot have children, they can continue fathering children with younger women.

This is why men have such a stronger sex drive and can compartmentalize relationships with multiple women, much better than the average woman could with multiple men. Not to mention that a man has a never ending supply of child producing sperm. On the other hand, women are designed with a shelf life when it comes to having children. How else do you explain the extreme disparity between the male and female reproductive systems?

Carico #fundie christianforums.com

I don't think that evolutionists realize how scientists date objects. I'm sure most evolutionists think that they use dating methods like carbon 14 dating or radiometric dating to determine how old the earth is or how old man is. But in reality, they most often determine the dates of their findings by other imaginary theories.

For example; in order to explain the sedimentary rock layers all over the world, instead of seeing the fact that the world was at one time covered in water by a flood, they have come up with the notion that there was an ice age which of course, they can't prove. So when they find an object they realize it had to have happened before this imaginary ice age so they date it a gazillion years ago so both theories fall into place. Therefore, they date objects on imaginary theories rather than one time-tested dating methods that never fail.

So what happens is this; once upon a time, apes bred human-like creatures called homonids. But there was an ice age so they had to have lived after this ice age which would make them....let's see...at least...hundreds of thousands of years old because it would had to have taken the ice at least hundreds of thousands of years to melt and since apes don't turn into human beings overnight, that takes, probably millions of years, so we'll put the ice age much farther back to maybe about a billion years. But wait, the earth had to take billions of years to cool down from the big bang, so we'll have to make the ice age farther ahead to...let's say...several million years ago. That would give monkeys enough time to turn into humans. And yet they think they are rational.

chinook-the-orca #wingnut deviantart.com

(Submitter note: got this comment just recently and one of my remarks led to me looking on in pure skepticism)

drivanmoffitt: I could tell, yeah, consumers have a right to have a quality product but the same can't be said of the current direction Star Wars is going as the fanbase is relatively split on this, half likes the direction Star Wars is going and the other half don't, its' a toss up (Submitter note: made in December 13th of 2019)

chinook-the-orca: Well THAT comment didn't age well.

drivanmoffitt: Hits not that old also how has it not aged well? (submitter note: DID NOT check the date of this comment nor proof read)

chinook-the-orca: So far as I can tell: there's almost nobody who liked the Ruse of Soy-Woker:
- People like me who have hated all of Disney-wars so far hated it because it's more of the same witha ll the same problems as before.
- People who told us how we were "literal Nazis" for not liking Disney-wars hate it because it "tries to please fans"
- What few "It's Star Wars and I like it" fans were left don't particularly like it because it ruins Anakin and Luke's character arcs in service of Rey the Maryiest Sue in the universe
- The weird Rey-lo shipper cult who were about the only people who liked THAT weird romance angle hate it because their emo boy band crush died
- People who loved The Last Jedi (those strange alien lifeforms) HATE ROS because it walks back some of RIan Johnson's more agregious brain-farts
- And most of the critics hate it for the same reason: that it doesn't piss on the fans as much as TLJ and they spent 2 years bending over backwards to tell us all how great it was and how brilliant they were for "getting" it.

In short: a movie written by a talent-less hack and his corporate oversight committee successfully made a film for nobody.

drivanmoffitt: right... I honestly don't take you serious when you use the term 'soy-woker', at all, that's the sort of crap that the Alt-Right uses along with their bullshit meme of 'go woke go broke'

chinook-the-orca: And I'm entirely sick of idiots diving behind the "you're Alt-right!" defense whenever I level any criticism at all at Disney-wars; the very term is so over-applied as to be meaningless... for the record; I'm left of center and have been my entire life. So shove it up your backside.

Ohhhhh noooooo! Some rando on the internet doesn't take me seriously! Where will I get my NOTHING!

"Get woke go broke" is a truism; because NOBODY likes being preached at in their entertainment, deal with it.

Leilani Neumann #fundie livescience.com

Parents Pick Prayer Over Docs; Girl Dies

Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

An autopsy showed Madeline Neumann died Sunday of diabetic ketoacidosis, a condition that left too little insulin in her body, Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said.

She had probably been ill for about a month, suffering symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness

The girl's mother, Leilani Neumann, said that she and her family believe in the Bible and that healing comes from God, but that they do not belong to an organized religion or faith.

"We just noticed a tiredness within the past two weeks,'' she said Wednesday. "And then just the day before and that day (she died), it suddenly just went to a more serious situation. We stayed fast in prayer then."

Madeline Neumann hadn't seen a doctor since she got some shots as a 3-year-old.

Leilani Neumann said she and her husband are not worried about the investigation because "our lives are in God's hands. We know we did not do anything criminal. We know we did the best for our daughter we knew how to do.''

Rebecca Brown #fundie books.google.com

You will be directly challenged by Satan on this issue. Are you willing to put the Lord Jesus Christ before everything and everyone else? If Jesus does not come before your loved ones, then your hopes of escaping Satan are empty. Satan will use your loved ones to keep you in bondage. Let me give you an example of what I mean.

We had the privilege of working with a beautiful negro couple whom we will call “the Blacks.” They were both in their late 20s, were very intelligent, and had reached a fairly high position within The Brotherhood locally. They committed their lives to Jesus and refused to serve Satan any longer. We advised them to move out of state, but they were understandably hesitant to do so as Mr. Black had a very good paying job. They had two children, a girl four years old, and a boy two years old. They experienced a terrible test of their commitment to Jesus.
About 6 months after they came out of Satanism, Mr. & Mrs. Black and their 4-year-old daughter were kidnapped by The Brotherhood. They were taken to a meeting where their little girl was literally skinned alive before their horrified eyes. They were told repeatedly that the torture of their daughter would be stopped only if they both renounced Jesus Christ and proclaimed Satan as Lord and agreed to serve Satan again.
Despite the unspeakable anguish they experienced as they were forced to watch their beloved child being tortured and hear her screams of agony, they held firm. They had put Jesus first in their lives and would not deny His Lordship. Finally their little girl died and they were released by their captors. A week later, their son became violently ill. He was hospitalized and seen by the leading specialists in the area — all to no avail. He died within 48 hours, the doctors never did find out what was wrong with him. He was obviously killed by witchcraft. Again, Mr. & Mrs. Black stood firm and continued to serve Jesus.

Shortly after the double tragedy they moved out of the state. We stayed in touch with them occasionally. Two years later, Mrs. Black gave birth to twins, a boy and a girl. Mr. Black was studying to become a minister.

You may be saying, “How can this be, why didn’t the Lord protect their children once they became Christians?” This is not a game! When you make that complete commitment to Jesus Christ you give everything to Him. You may be sure Satan is going to petition the Lord for everything you committed to the Lord just as he did in Job’s case. Father may give Satan permission to take what he petitions for.

Jeannie DeAngelis #fundie americanthinker.com

As far as the Trayvon Martin situation goes, acquittal or no acquittal, the whole event and subsequent trial is a tragedy. And Skittles and iced tea or not, 17-year-old Trayvon should never have been lurking about in a hoodie between buildings on a dark rainy night in a townhouse complex. Now, regardless of how or why this boy died, a child is dead and will never have an opportunity to grow out of the typical youthful foolishness which ultimately cost him his life.
And for every hoodie-wearing thug out there who's now blaming George Zimmerman for Trayvon's death, know this: the behavior of those who give good, upstanding young black men a bad name are ultimately much more responsible for Trayvon's death than one legally-armed American citizen defending himself against an out-of-control teenage boy slamming his "crazy ass cracka" head against a concrete walk.

Instead of blaming racism for profiling a black kid strangely meandering around in the dark on a drizzly night, how about placing the blame at the feet of all the black youth, like Trayvon, whose behavior on other occasions causes suspicion to be focused in the general direction of the larger population of perfectly innocent black teenage youth?
For example, has Michelle Obama discussed who killed 15-year-old Chicago schoolgirl Hadiya Pendleton in a drive-by shooting? Of course not, because the killers were two black youths: 18-year-old Michael Ward and 20-year-old Kenneth Williams, neither of whom look anything like George Zimmerman.

FBI records show that in 2005 alone, African Americans accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in the U.S. The U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics cited data showing that 93% of murdered blacks had the crime perpetrated on them by other blacks. That means if Trayvon had continued on in the direction in which he seemed to be headed, based on the rate that young black males die at the hands of other black males, Trayvon's chances for survival were, at best, a crap shoot.

Then, the day after George Zimmerman was acquitted of second-degree murder, the President of the United States chose to stir the race-baiting pot again by intimating that America should honor Trayvon by passing gun control:

"I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities."

Barack Obama isn't one to hide his disrespect for federalism or conceal his contempt for the legal system or the U.S. Constitution. The statement Obama made reveals that his motivation was to once again gain personal political expediency from someone else's heartbreak.

Think about it: the president sheds tears over murdered children, but it's always attached to advancing a specific political agenda. That's precisely why, in some circles, as America's most radical pro-abortion advocate, Barack Obama has zero credibility when discussing lives lost to gun violence.

As far as Obama is concerned, Trayvon Martin deserves kudos for delivering a big bang for his anti-Second Amendment buck. Nonetheless, if the Trayvon controversy should miraculously cool down, in due time someone else will come along and provide still more political capital for the president.

Rest assured, if need be, Mr. Obama will move on quickly from Trayvon, just as he moved from Tucson to Sandy Hook to any number of other tragedies he's used as political causes.

Unfortunately, based on what went on in Sanford, Florida, certain African Americans fall into the same category as the president they blindly support.

Black Americans hung up on fomenting racial unrest or buying into the victim mentality lack credibility too, because although they cry racism over the tragic loss of Trayvon Martin, who they call one of their 'babies,' they have shed few tears over the extermination of actual babies taking place for the last 40 years in abortion clinics all over America.

While focused on Trayvon Martin, socially liberal black Americans continue to ignore the genocide that kills thousands of black baby boys (and girls) every day, many of whom, if given the chance to live, much like Trayvon Martin might have grown up to look like the son Barack Obama never had.

Does it matter that blacks constitute only 13% of the population but account for 36% of all the abortions that take place every year? Where are the tears, protest signs, and New Black Panther demonstrations for the deaths of innocent children who didn't break anyone's nose or smash anyone's skull against a sidewalk?

For perspective, 13% of the U.S. population contributed 22,000,000 of the 60,000,000 children aborted since 1973. Each and every day in the U.S., approximately 1,876 black children are aborted. And yet pro-life people are supposed to believe that the angst over Trayvon's untimely end is based on the black community's respect for the sanctity of life?

In her fight to save the unborn, Erma Clardy Craven, the late Minnesota social worker and author of Abortion, Poverty and Black Genocide, once shared that, "17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California; some 12-15,000 were observed to be black." Does the president care about them? Apparently not.

While Obama is asking America to "honor Trayvon" by doing what Obama wants, we forget that none of the 15,000 black babies found rotting in that dumpster in LA got the chance to wear a hoodie, shop for Skittles and fruit-flavored iced tea, or skulk around in the dark in a Sanford, Florida residential complex.

Suffice it to say, if only liberal blacks would spend just one day shouting as loudly about the systematic slaughter being perpetrated upon millions of their babies, the angry "Justice 4 Trayvon" stance would likely be better understood by those who disagree with their choice of poster child for racial injustice.


Jim #sexist blog.jim.com

This is not going to turn into a game blog. Other men are much better at game than I am. I know, because I have seen them in action. On the other hand, I am not just an average f#@#!g chump. I clearly score more than the average f#@#!g chump, and fat and in my sixties I still score more than the average f#@#!g chump, though back when I was very fat, not so much.

I know a man half my age who was a male model and is a lot richer than I am. Girls stop and turn their heads when he walks through the mall. If he stands still, cute girls appear from nowhere and start conversations with him. But then nothing happens. Money and looks gets your foot in the door, but it does not get you laid. His problem is that he is far too nice.

Now a lot of readers of this blog seem to believe that nice, upper class girls, the girls that come from intact families, go to good universities and have supportive upper class fathers are not like that. Being a nice guy will, they think, get you a nice girl.

Bullshit.

The girl who started fucking at nine years old, jumped aboard more cocks than merry go round rides, mostly the cocks of criminals, and is still unmarried at thirty five because she is incapable of bonding with any man, is the girl who whose doting intact family spent a shitload of money getting her a good law degree from a good university. And this is precisely what evolutionary theory predicts. It is precisely the girl with the good family and a loving father who is disinclined to have sex with the nice guy. Nice guys have a way better shot with girls whose fathers have died or abandoned them. I have tried nice, and I have tried being an asshole, and nice gets mostly gold diggers and a few fatherless girls.

If you want a nice girl, be the bad man. The only society where nice guys get the girl is the society where the patriarch does not allow any non related males near his daughter except the man he has already decided will marry her. (And in such a society she will agree to marry him, because she wants to climb aboard the first plausibly high status cock that she meets, and her Dad treats him as high status and forces her to treat him as high status.) Ballroom dancing is pretty much a ritual to make the males look high status to the girls, so back in the day the system was a girl had a dance card filled out by her father, and was compelled to dance with everyone on the dance card, and be polite and respectful to him, and forbidden to dance with anyone not on the dance card.

But in a society where you can meet chicks without asking their dad to put you on their ballroom dance card, you need to treat chicks like dirt. And you especially need to treat them like trash if you want chicks from intact families who don’t have a number larger than your own.

One of my commenters told me that if I was dating much younger women, I was dating gold diggers. Yes, I have dated gold diggers, lots of gold diggers. But the trouble with gold diggers is that they want the gold, they don’t want to lay me. If I want to lay women, I get far better luck not giving them any gold, at least not until they have been having sex with me for a while without any indication of fidelity or financial support. I would be happy to date gold diggers if I got laid that way, but I don’t get laid that way – OK, I did get laid by one gold digger, but it was part of a plot to commit paternity fraud. Beta provider game just does not work. I know, because I have tried it extensively. You need a little bit of beta provider game, but it has to be part of asshole game, and you don’t turn on the beta provider game until after asshole game has succeeded. The chick needs to think that by laying you, serving you, and obeying you, then she reveals the soft nice guy inside your harsh exterior. Early niceness will lose the chick. Similarly, when you catch a fish, got to give it a hard jerk to set the hook. You let it run only after it is well and truly hooked. There comes a time in the relationship when you need to give her some beta provider game, or else you will lose her. But if you give her beta provider game too soon, too easily, or too much, you will also lose her, to someone who is a much bigger asshole than you are.

If you want a society where men act well, you need a society where men that act well get laid. Thus for civilization, must have patriarchy, and that patriarchy will be very forcefully resisted by women howling for their demon lover, and has to be very forcefully imposed on those women.

How forcefully? Well, England before 1810 or so was fairly successful at keeping women in line, and frequently deployed methods that would make the Taliban blush, methods that horrified the Victorians. We need to copy eighteenth century England, eighteenth century Virginia, and early nineteenth century Australia. The Old Testament gave women a legal status similar to that of modern day pets, and eighteenth century England was only marginally more progressive than Old Testament Israel. And to the extent that it was marginally more progressive than old Testament Israel, I would argue that this was a big mistake that led to the disaster we now suffer.

Giving women legal status similar to that of pets would have two effects: It would reward civilized behavior, and it would raise fertility to Timor Leste levels. Now some of my commenters are worried about white fertility. If whites were reproducing at Timor Leste levels, pretty soon we would need to conquer inferior races, take their land, and restrain them from reproducing. Oh the horror. Which reasoning seems scarcely different from the proposition that Europeans should restrain their reproduction so that we can benevolently rescue four billion African refugees over the next forty years.

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A new law in Iran that allows men to marry their adopted daughters at the age of 13 has caused major concern that the country's new president is not as progressive as originally thought.

As far as I'm concerned, if you've been through puberty, you're ready for sex. Let's face it, people at that age are going to do it whether they're supposed to or not. The only reason it's illegal is because we decided to make it so, not because there's any legitimate sense behind it. People change physically and mentally through their entire lives, there's no one age where someone is suddenly mature enough to not be taken advantage of. Adults get taken advantage of and played all the time, that doesn't mean they're getting raped.


Cheerleader, Molly Shattuck, Rapes 15-year-old boy, has to spend weekends in jail.

Another fine example of why statutory rape laws are largely bogus, and age of consent in general is a flawed system. In most of these cases the teenager knows exactly what is going on, and loves every second of it either way. And before anyone suggests it since they always do, I would feel the same if the genders were reversed. An adult man hooking up with a teenage girl, an adult woman hooking up with a teenage boy. It makes no difference to me either way, because it should not be a crime at all in my opinion. People that age are going to be having sex anyway, so there is no point punishing their partners over something harmless.


If it were up to me, the first time someone committed a crime, it would be (depending on the crime) however much time in jail or prison, and a fine. If that person later commits the same crime (so any repeat offender of anything) then they would be executed. If the penalty for crime was greater, people would be less likely to do it. The only problem I really see with my idea is with rape. Too often these days is that getting falsely accused, and if the people had sex, there is no way to really prove whether it was or was not forced. As an anti feminist, I would hate a system where if a guy gets unlucky and dates two bitches who accuse him of rape after they break up, he gets executed.

IGEORGETOWN, Texas – A 19-year-old Texas man who could face years in prison for making brownies laced with marijuana and hash oil said Wednesday he remains scared despite new evidence that his attorney believes should reduce the charges.

How amusing that this site is so pro drug. I hope he gets locked up for a very long time (not life) and learns not to be so stupid in the future.

State seizes 11-year-old & arrests mother after he defends medical marijuana
On March 24, cannabis oil activist Shona Banda‘s life was flipped upside-down after her son was taken from her by the State of Kansas. The ordeal started when police and counselors at her 11-year-old son’s school conducted a drug education class. Her son, who had previously lived in Colorado for a period of time, disagreed with some of the anti-pot points that were being made by school officials. “My son says different things like my ‘Mom calls it cannabis and not marijuana.’ He let them know how educated he was on the facts,” said Banda in an exclusive interview... Banda successfully treated her own Crohn’s disease with cannabis oil.

Seems perfectly fair to me, seeing as she proved herself to be an unfit parent. Legal or not, there is no excuse for drugs, much less around a child.

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“Smithsonian Institution "Natural History" Museum (Not Exactly)”

2 of 5 stars Reviewed July 26, 2012

I do recommend going to The Smithsonian "Natural History" Museum for the wonderful building, the dinosaur reconstructions, the food (somewhat expensive), and more. However, I am giving the "Natural History" Museum a Poor rating because they continue to state many opinions as if they are fact. They state over and over millions of years as if fact, but the verdict is in that this cannot be truth. For example, they state the T-Rex died out 65 million years ago. This is actually impossible for several reasons. Dr. Mary Schweitzer of North Carolina State University recently found red blood vessels and osteocytes in a T-Rex femur. This is soft tissue which could not conceivably live a very long period of time. I have just stated a fact of history about Dr. Mary Schweitzers T-Rex. In addition, soft tissue in dinosaurs has also been confirmed now in duck billed dinosaurs. I wish the Smithsonian would do a fact check on their exhibits. They could easily let museum goers know that cave drawings, rock carvings and brass engravings from around 800 AD to 1496 AD respectively have been found of different types of dinosaurs. For example, the Cave Drawing in National Bridges Monument (White River Canyon) of a sauropod, the rock carving of Stegosaurus from around 800 AD in Cambodia, and Bishop Richard Bells tomb in Carlisle Cathedral from 1496 includes brass engravings of dinosaurs long before the discipline paleontology was created. Remember, modern reconstruction of dinosaurs began in the late 1800's long after Bishop Richard Bells tomb was laid. Yes, man and dinosaurs lived together and people from a thousand years ago knew what they looked like without the need for paleontology because they had seen them. The Smithsonian does not even provide this information. They just tell the same old stories about "millions of years" to people with willing ears. Please look all of this information up on Google. Remember, the truth is available if you just search for it. However, at The Smithsonian Institution you will not get this information. They probably will not even tell you the term dinosaur came about in 1841. What term would have been used by men to describe dinosaurs before 1841. Perhaps, behemoth. Read Job 40:15. This is straight forward stuff. My dad was head of the Petroleum Engineering Dept. at The University of Tulsa, so I like geology. Did you know that Dr. Steve Austin got pyroxene crystals from samples of rock from the Mount St Helens new lava dome. This rock was only 11 years old when he collected the samples however the pyroxene gave dates of two million years old and even more from various labs. Obviously, the rock was only 11 years old. We all saw the lava dome form on national television. Rock dating techniques are full of assumptions. You won't read this at The Smithsonian, however. The Smithsonian should have an exhibit on the following evolutionary hoaxes and frauds, as well. Piltdown Man was an Orangutan Jaw bone fused together with completely different Modern Human Skull to make it look like they were from the same fossil. The Orangutan teeth were filed down to make them look human. Piltdown Man was exposed as a fraud. Fact. Nebraska Man drawings in The Illustrated London News in 1922 by Amédée Forestier portraying supposed "Man Missing link" were exposed as fraud when the entire drawings were based on A single pig's tooth. Yes, this is a fact too. This even continues today. What about Archaeoraptor it was supposed to be a half-bird/half-dinosaur it turned out to be a fossil forgery, a composite of many fossils glued together.
The Smithsonian has many artistic renderings of so-called missing links, but it is simply artistic, not scientific. Since dating methods point to a young earth. For example, The magnetic field decay rate, rapid magnetic field reversals, carbon - 14 dating based on this decay rate, amount of salt in the sea(more salt enters the sea each year than leaves it), dinosaur soft tissue, CPT, smooth sedimentary layer uplift without cracking, no bioturbation in catastrophically laid down layers, polystrate fossils, rapid coal seam formation, helium seapage, and much more, all point to a young earth. Well, I suppose The Smithsonian "Natural History" Museum is not History, but just a made up story of millions of years that never happened, and it is time the masses spoke up about it. After all, science should be based on what can be observed and tested.

Visited May 2012

TL;DR Award

For excellence in crazy that defies condensing

Brad Watson_Miami #conspiracy kiwifarms.net

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Since you want to peer review my work, here it is - GOD=7_4 Theory condensed into http://GOD704.wikia.com ...

Plan-it Theory: GOD=7_4 or FOD=6_4 on Planet Nestor; FIG=6|7 (Design Worlds Theory)

Our planet and all 'true Earth-like plan-its' were designed through a simple mathematical model/program/ algorithm/physics law/initial condition/'fractal'/code of GOD=7_4 or FOD=6_4 that includes...

Variations of 7_4: 7+4, 7-4, 7×4, 7÷4, 7.4, 74, 47, 704, 407, 7004, 4÷7, 4 7s, 7 4s, 77 77, 7 40, etc.

most common are 7+4, 7-4, 7×4, 74, 47, 704 (GOD), and 7004 (GOOD)

Variations of 6_4: 6+4, 6-4, 6×4, 6÷4, 6.4, 64, 46, 604, 406, 6004, 4÷6, 4 6s, 6 4s, 66 66, 6 40, etc.

most common are 6+4, 6-4, 6×4, 64, 46, 604 (FOD), and 6004 (FOOD)
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"Think not of what you see, think of what it took to produce what you see." "There is an order beneath the seeming chaos...an underlying order governed by simple74 mathematics." - PBS Fractals

"Without imperfection, neither you nor I would exist." - Stephen Hawking

"Unless a theory can be explained to a child, the theory is probably useless." - Albert Einstein

"To understand is to perceive patterns." - Jason Silva, host of Brain Games on National Geographic Channel

I've discovered a very simple repetitive numerical pattern that's prevalent throughout Nature and global culture that I call Plan-it Theory of GOD=7_4. Actually, this simple combination of 7 & 4 was first recognized by the ancient Mesopotamians/Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, Hebrews, Romans, Indians, Chinese and others in the heavens and expressed through the precept of "As Above, So Below" which became the leading principle of the practice of sacred geometry. The ancients observed what we call the 7 Classical Planets or 7 Naked-Eye Planets: Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn and 4 of these don't cast shadows on Earth (Venus can on a moonless night); 4 can't be easily seen during the day (Venus can be). (Now we know that 4 are rocky celestial objects.) The 7 lamp/4 branched Hebrew temple menorah mystically represented this. The 7 Planets of the Ancients were known by those of classical antiquity as the 7 Wanderers, 7 Sacred Planets, 7 Luminaires, 7 Governors, or 7 Heavens.

The Sumerians were the first to keep written astronomical records, keep track of the 4 Great Patterns of Nature (day, lunar 'moonths', lunar year, and solar year), 4 seasons, and built their observatories/temples - ziggurats - to be 7 levels high (six stories). They also observed the 4 lunar phases being roughly 7 days (~7.4 days) each (varying due to apogee and perigee). Lunar year + 7 day week + 4 days = 365 day solar year.

Our Roman Calendar has 7 thirty-one day months + 4 thirty day months + February's 28 (7×4) days.

The ancients observed Mars as returning to the same position against the background of the stars and is in the same relationship to Earth and the Sun every 47 years.

The Big Dipper consists of 7 stars with 4 making up the quadrilateral bowl of the ladle. Its 4th star in the middle is its brightest. The Big Dipper points toward the Star Polaris which is the tip of the handle of the Little Dipper which is also 7 stars with 4 making-up its bowl. Polaris has been the North Star since around the time the Roman Empire fell in 476 AD.

Orion consists of 7 stars with 4 making up his shoulders and feet. (The remaining three stars make up the easily recognizable Orion's Belt.) Pleiades or the 7 Sisters is the 4th most recognizable asterism.

The Sumerians, Egyptians, and Hebrews took the regular cubits of 6 palms × 4 fingers = 24 digits (see Leonardo da Vinci's Vitruvian Man) and added a palm to create the sacred royal cubits of 7 palms × 4 fingers = 28 digits. Pharaoh Djoser's Step-Pyramid (7 levels & 4 sides), the Sphinx, Pyramids of Giza - all Egyptian sacred buildings - were designed by their architects using the 7 & 4 combination to invoke the heavenly gods.

The Greeks and Romans were the first to recognize the ring finger which when palms are up is the 7th finger from the right and 4th from the left. Wedding7 ring4.

Judaism, Christianity, Islam & Buddhism are strongly encoded with GOD=7_4

"On Earth as it is in the heavens." - The Lord's Prayer (Jesus' rewording of "As Above, So Below.")

[Hebrew text here] (translation) "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth." - Bereshit 1:1 / Genasis74 1:1. The original Hebrew of the first verse of the Bible has 7 words and 28 letters (7×4); it's God's Signature.

"The Hebrew scriptures begin - not from the first person perspective of some man's understanding of God - but from an omniscient third person perspective, a Voice that reveals the Glorious Power that created the entire cosmos by means of His Word." - http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Parashah/Summaries/Bereshit/bereshit.html

Gn 1:14, "God said, 'Let there be a system of light-bearers in the vault of the sky to separate day from night, and they shall serve as signs and for festive seasons, and for cycles of days, months and years (and omens of eclipses)...God saw it as good...a 4th day (of 7)." Gn 7:4 introduces the recurring theme of the #40, "For in 7 days it will rain for 40 days and 40 nights". Besides Noah, there were 7 on the Ark and 4 were the married women. Pharaoh's dream related to Joseph of the "7 plump cows, 7 lean ones, 7 plump heads of grain and 7 lean ones" - Gn 41:1-7. The 4th Commandment of "Keep the 7th day holy". Moses, Aaron, his two sons and 70 elders were on Mt. Sinai - 74 altogether. 7 times Moses did the #40. "Selah" used 74 times in the Bible (71 in Psalms & 3 in Habakkuk), King4 letters Solomon7 began building his Temple in the 4th year of his reign and it took 7 years to complete, etc. until the "7 Seals" are opened, yet produce only "4 Horsemen" in The Revelation Chapters 5-8.

John4,47 the Baptist7 was born on Thursday November 12, 7 BC / 12.11.747 AUC / 20 Heshvan 3755 HC.

Y'shua74/Joshua74/IESVS74/Jesus74=J10+E5+S19+U21+S19 was born on Saturday April 17, 6 BC / 17.4.748 AUC / 29 Nisan 3755 HC [1]. The Jewish74 Messiah74 - the king74 of the Judeans74 - received 39 lashes and was nailed on74 the Cross74 on the first day of Passover Friday April 7, 30 AD / 7.4.783 AUC / 14 Nisan 3790 HC. Mother Mary was born in 19 BC and was 47-years-old when Jesus was crucified.

With 7 loaves of bread, Jesus fed 4,000 - Matthew 15:34-38, Mark 8:20.

"Anytime an idea19 is connect74ed to nature, it's not only logical, it's inevitable."

In Mecca, Muslim pilgrims observe Hajj & Umrah with Tawaf: the circumambulation of the 4-sided Kaaba 7 times with three fast pace rounds on the outside (ramal) and 4 ordinary pace on the inside. The Qur'an refers to the "7 Heavens".

Freemasonry and GOD=7_4

Knowledge of sacred geometry and the sacred combination of 7 & 4 has been passed on by the ancients through the centuries by the sacred Mystery schools and operative masons of many cultures. The Freemasons have been documented as using the GOD=7_4 Code for five centuries now in several very important places and events, i.e. the Old Course at St. Andrews, Scotland and 24 June74 1717 when 4 London74 Lodges47 formed the first Grand Lodge.

GOD=7_4, 7/4=July 4th which Commanding General & Grand Master Mason47 George Washington (VA & Continental Army) marked in 1775 with his General Order declaring, "The United Provinces of North America." He'd eventually have 74 generals in the Continental Army (33 were Masons). The Declaration of Independence was signed on 7/4/1776 only by President of Congress John447 Hancock740 (GMM MA) and attested by Secretary of Congress Charles Thomson74=T20+H8+O+M13+S19+O+N14. 7/4/1776 was also marked by the founding of the Committee to design the Great Seal of the United States which was led by Benjamin Franklin (GMM PA). July 4, 1776 also encoded Jesus' Birthday of 4/17/6 BC - just double the 7: Christ=77=C3+H8+R18+I9+S19+T20. 'Coincidentally', Franklin died on 4/17/1790, Washington died on 12/14/1799, and the 2nd President John Adams and 3rd President Thomas Jefferson both died on 7/4/1826: the 50th Anniversary of July 4, 1776. (Adams & Jefferson were not Masons.)

The 7 Articles of the Constitution were written on 4 pages, Federal7 City4 / New York7 City4 and Federal Hall at 74°W. Lady4 Liberty7's 7 spikes atop her head (symbolizing the 7 Classical Planets) and she stands on a 4-sided pedestal with 4 columns on each side. 7 Uniformed Services: 4 under the Department of the Defense, etc.

'Father Abraham' Lincoln's "4 score & 7 years ago, our fathers..." was a variation of Genasis 16:16. Lincoln was not a Mason, but the higher-degree Masons would have recognized his use of the code.

So then to be more accurate, I've cracked the Masonic(7,74) code(4) and discovered what is generating this 7_4 pattern on Earth, this solar system and throughout this Universe...

The supporting data

~74% of this universe's elemental mass is hydrogen (Milky Way/most galaxies are ~74% hydrogen, our/most solar systems' mass is ~74% hydrogen, the Sun's/most stars' mass is ~74% hydrogen, most gas giant planets'/Jupiter's atmosphere is ~74% hydrogen). Hydrogen gas forms explosive mixtures with air if it is 4-74%.

~74% of this universe is dark energy (~69%) and ordinary matter (~5%) + ~26% dark matter.

There are 4 basic states of matter: liquid, solid, gas, and plasma. But very recently, this has been expanded to 7 by adding: Bose-Einstein condensate, Quark-gluon plasma, and Degenerate matter.

Using whole numbers, 4 is in the middle of 7; it's the majority of 7. #7 is the 4th prime number. 7+7=14, 7×7=49: '7 naturally produces 4'. 1+2+3+4+5+6+7=28: a perfect number and 7×4.

7 = (4+4) - (4/4)

1.74 × 4 = ~7 or 6.96

4÷7 = .571428... Decimals of this kind in which the same figures are infinitely repeated are called repeating decimals. The part repeated is called the repetendand .571428 (4÷7) continually repeating without end is highly symbolic of GOD.

Besides Earth, this solar system has 7 planets (not including hypothetical Planet 9): the 4th from the Sun is the LARGEST: Jupiter. Out of these 7 planets, 4 are non-rocky gas or ice giants. Venus is .7 AU & Mercury .4 AU from the Sun (Venus .7233322, Mercury .3870987 with aphelion at .47). Saturn's '4 seasons' are each ~7.4 years long. Jupiter accounts for 74% of the planetary gravitational/tidal forces affecting the Sun. Uranus is the 7th planet from the Sun and 4th largest planetary mass in this solar system. Our Sun's radius is .0047 AU.

The 7 Classical Planets were/are the 7 moving objects in the heavens that can be seen with the naked eye. (Uranus it is at the limit of detection with the naked eye under dark skies and therefore undistinguishable from a dim star.) In 1610, Galileo Galilei was the first to point the new telescope towards the night sky and he discovered Jupiter's 4 large moons: Io, Calisto, Ganymede, and Europa. These are now known as the Galilean moons. (Galileo also used his improved telescope to discover mountains, valleys, and "seas" on the Moon. And he also discovered the phases of Venus, the rings of Saturn and sunspots.) On December 28, 1612, Galileo was the first to observe and document a 7th planet (Neptune) while he sketched the movements of Jupiter's 4 large moons. But after further observing its movement, he either didn't recognize the star as a planet or he feared the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church to such a discovery.

Uranus is the 7th planet from the Sun and its diameter is 4.007 Earth diameters. Besides Earth, Neptune is the 7th planet from the Sun and its diameter is also 4x (3.883) Earth's. Venus obits the Sun in 224.7 days which is ~7.4 Earth months (avg. month = 30.4 days).

The 4 lunar phases are a little over 7 days (~7.4 days) each varying due to apogee and perigee = Lunar 'moonth' of 29.531 days. Lunar year (12 lunar months74) + 7 day week + 4 days = 365 day solar year = 7 thirty-one day + 4 thirty day months + February's 28 (7×4) days. There are 7 moving objects74 in the heavens74seen with the naked eye (the 7 Classical Planets) and 4 of these don't cast shadows74 on Earth (Venus does); 4 can't be easily seen during daylight (Venus can be); 4 are rocky. The Big Dipper consists of 7 stars with 4 making up its quadrilateral bowl. Its 4th star in the middle is its brightest. The Big Dipper points toward Polaris which is the tip of the handle of the Little Dipper which is also 7 stars with 4 making-up its quadrilateral bowl. Polaris has been the North Star since about the time of the fall of the Roman Empire in 476 AD. Mars has a cycle which we observe as it returning to the same position against the background of stars and is in the same relationship to Earth and the Sun every 47 years.

4-7 eclipses occur annually. The longest theoretically an eclipse can be is 7 min. 40 sec. Our Sun has an 11-year sunspot cycle. Earth's magnetic field is tilted 11 degrees from its spin axis.

The Earth-Moon barycenter is ~1,710 km below the surface of the Earth: 4,661 km from Earth's center, ~74% of Earth's radius. This is the point about which the Earth and Moon orbit as they travel around the Sun.

Earth has 7 continents (or 4 land masses surrounded by water) & 4 seasons, the ancients' 7 Seas & 4 oceans (some recognize 7 oceans), ~74% of Earth's surface is water (~71% oceans & seas + ~2.5% freshwater lakes, rivers, canals, swamps (including Florida Everglades), ice caps, glaciers74, year-round snow cover, flooding, etc.). Human brain, heart, muscle, newborns, chicken eggs, and living trees are ~74% water. Human pregnancies are 40 weeks (7×40). The average women's heart beat is 74 beats per minute.

Ancient Babylonian, Egyptian, and Hebrew sacred royal cubits74 were 7 palms × 4 fingers = 28 digits (regular cubits are 6p × 4f = 24 digits).

English is Earth's primary language - it's due to a constant conscious/subconscious feedback loop with nature. English(74=E5+N14+G7+L12+I9+S19+H8) is alphanumeric: A-B-C becomes 1-2-374 (A=1, B=2...O=15 or zerO...Z=26). This pairing774 between774 a letter7 and a number774 is called Simple674 English774Gematria874. The key74: GOD=7_4, 7/4 = 7 April or July 4 (Masonic774 code4) ˜ aphelion & hottest day globally, Constitution's 7 Articles on 4 pages. France47's 14/7. Religion74, Judeans74/Jewish74.

Y'shua74/Joshua74/IESVS74/Jesus74 born Saturday 4.17.6 BC / 17.4.748 AUC / 3755 HC on Cross74 on G7ood4 Friday74 7.4.783 AUC / April 7, 30 AD / 14 Nisan 3790 HC. Winter solstice usually occurs on December 21 (sometimes 22) and 4 days later is Christmas and 7 days later is New Year's.

Muhammad74, Hajj & Umrah requires Muslim pilgrims to make Tawaf: the counter-clockwise circumambulation 7 times around the 4-sided Kaaba (4x fast on the outside [ramal], 3x regular on inside).

74°F is ideally comfortable, tropical storms become hurricanes at 74 mph sustained winds (Hurri.74 Katrina74 reached 174 mph), speed-of-sound is 742.5 mph (sea level, 0° centigrade), 1 horsepower = 746 watts, Genasis74 7:4, 4th Commandment: "Keep the 7th day holy", G clef & 4/4. General George Washington as new Commander of the Continental Army referred to "United Provinces of North America" on 7.4.1775; he'd eventually have 74 generals. "4 score & 7 years ago". Many major sports championships are best 4-of-7 games, men's golf championships are often played on 7,400 yard courses with a rating of 74. The world's first golf course - Old Course in St. Andrews - established 18 holes with 7 par 4s 'out'/front nine and 7 par 4s 'in'/back nine; the 7th Hole Par 4 and the 17th Par 4 Road Hole. Golf's 1st rule book was published in 1774. United Nations in New York7 City4 40.74°N 74°W. Vatican7 City4, Western7 Wall4, Federal7 City4, Capitol7 Hill4, Liberty7 Bell4, Sufis74. 74 members of the Council on Foreign Relations were present at the first meeting of the United Nations in 1945. The Dresden Codex (one of only four Mayan texts to still exist) has 74 pages of astronomical predictions. In English, the 7 day week has 4 days not named after heavenly bodies. US' 7 Uniformed Services: 4 under DOD, etc.

The Roman Catholic Church's Liturgical Year: 7 seasons with Easter 4th after Christmas.

Simple6,74 English7,74 Gematria8,74

The spoken word is linked to the written word which is based on its alphabet which is phonetic, pictographic, and has a numerical order connected to Genasis74, Nature and science.

Simple674 English774 Gematria874 uses 'the key'74 of A=1, B2, C3...Z26. The only irregularity is the circle: O=15 or zero, i.e. 704 = GOD = G7+O(15)+D4 = 11/26.

simple=74=S19+I9+M13+P16+L12+E5, English=74=E5+N14+G7+L12+I9+S19+H8, gematria=74=G7+E5+M13+A1+T20+R18+I9+A1, the key=74= T20+H8+E5+K11+E5+Y25, A-B-C becomes 1-2-3=74=A1+B2+C3+B2+E5+C3+O15+M13+E5+S19+1+2+3

English is Earth's primary language - it's due to a constant conscious/subconscious feedback loop with Nature of GOD=7_4, etc.

Y'shua74/Joshua74/IESVS74/Jesus74 born Saturday April 17, 6 BC (17.4.748 AUC) - the King74 of the Judeans74 - the Jewish74Messiah74 was nailed on74 the Cross74 on Friday April 7, 30 AD (7.4.783 AUC).

Archaeology and the sacred combination of 7 & 4

All ancient Egyptian sacred buildings starting with Pharaoh Djoser's Step Pyramid at Saqqara were designed by their architects using royal cubits of 7 palms x 4 fingers. This was the first pyramid built and it was 7 levels and 4-sided. The Temple of Luxor, the Sphinx, the Pyramids at Giza were all designed and built using royal cubits and the sacred combination of 7 & 4 invoking

"As Above, So Below". There's been a great deal of discussion about how the Great Pyramid is encoded; it is.

Stonehenge was disassembled centuries ago, but there are 7 large stones still in contact with 4 being vertical. When one looks through the middle of these 4 stones towards the heel stone, it aligns on the solstice with the Sun.

Music encodes GOD=7_4

G clef & 4/4. The G clef circles the G4 line. In solfeggio, G is Sol (the Roman Sun god) and D is Ra (the Egyptian Sun god).In the Key of G Major, G is the tonic (I) and D the dominant (V).

Sports & GOD=7_4

In football, there are 11 players on a team on the field with the offense required to have at least 7 on the line. The defense is often in a 4 linemen and 7 back position. A touchdown is traditionally thought of as 7 points and a field goal three points (4 less).

7/11/14 LeBron James played 7 years with the Cleveland Cavaliers then 4 years with the Miami Heat before announcing he was returning to the Cavaliers. After the announcement that evening, the Cleveland Indians won 7-4.

G-D = 7-4 = 3

I have a tendency to overlook the very simple and obvious G-D = 7-4 = 3. Sun, Moon & Earth has always formed an essential cosmic trinity for life on this planet: every 'true Earth-like plan-it' must have a LARGE moon. Earth is the 3rd Rock from the Sun.

3D. The word 'GOD' has 3 letters and Christianity's Holy Trinity of Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. In the Guardin' of Eden, there were 3 humans: God-incarnate, Adam and Eve.

Earth is the '3rd Rock from the Sun' except for when the Moon is between the two.

Pi was first discovered to be 3 as it is referred to in the Hebrew Scriptures - 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2. It's logical to assume that soon after the first guy discovered pi as being 3, he discovered that it's slightly more than that. Perhaps he discovered 3.1 next and 3.14 later. (We know Plato encoded pi as 3.14159.) 100 divided by 3 = 33.3 and a couple is not a 'family' until they have a baby: 3.

Unified Strings 21/19 Theory - Physics' "Theory of Everything" (M-theory + time analysis providing a very simple symmetry breaking) - falls under GOD=7_4 or FOD=6_4

Superstring theory (10 dimensions) and supergravity theory (11 dimensions) state that the 4 forces of nature (gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear & weak nuclear) are united by the smallest things possible: ultra-subatomic strings of energy74. M-theory unifies these field theories of 6 or 7 higher-dimensions (hyperspace) + the 4 common dimensions = 10/11 dimensions of spacetime...

6/7D hs + 4D = 10/11D st

My Unified Strings 21/19 Theory (M-theory + time47 analysis) documents the macroscopic effects of strings (some are listed above and below) and provides a very simple symmetry breaking with the 6 or 7 aspects of 'regular time': 1. beginning: the Big Bang/Bit Bang, 2. end: this Universe's Big Crunch/final entropy, 3. past, 4. present, 5. future, 6. void(?): beyond the boundary/event horizon of an expanding universe and black hole, and 7. a constant (the speed-of-light in a vacuum). Plus...

4 aspects of 'hypertime': 1. fast-forward/time dilation: moving clocks run slower than stationary clocks and clocks run faster in less gravity, 2. reverse: thought, tachyons(?), torsion waves(?), and quantum nonlocality/entanglement 'information' can travel faster-than-light; in another frame-of-reference, they are traveling backwards in time (natural & artificial wormholes warp space), 3. pause/stop: photons and all electromagnetic waves traveling at the speed-of-light are in a domain where time stops74 in that reference point74, and as the event horizon of a black hole is approached, time slows down relative to that of distant observers - stopping completely on the boundary/event horizon, and 4. before the beginning and after the end: this universe had a birth and may have a death, yet, it is but one of the seemingly infinite 'nonparallel-universes' in The Conglomerate/Multiverse (supermassive black holes Big Bang/Bit Bang [supermassive white holes] into new universes). Using unified strings 21/19 as a foundation means that designing a habitable planet to run on 6_4 can be built64. (10D superstring theory is now considered "incomplete", yet it is still engineerable.) Earth is proof that 7_4 has been engineered at least once. Note: The 4 aspects of hypertime are like operating a video player: fast-forward, reverse, pause/stop, before the beginning and after the end.

Note: Imaginary time using imaginary numbers is the 12th aspect of time, but it's not used in Unified Strings 21/19 Theory.

M-theory/Supergravity Theory
7D hs + 4D = 11D st (4D = 3D rs + t)... 11 dimensions of spacetime

(dimensions [D], hyperspace [hs], spacetime [st], regular space [rs], time [t])

Unified Strings 21/19 Theory
7 dimensions hyperspace + 3D regular space + 7 aspects regular time + 4 aspects hypertime = 21 dimensions/aspects of spacetime

7D hs + 3D rs + 7a rt + 4a ht = 21D/a st ... 21 dimensions/aspects of21 spacetime
(aspects [a], 'regular time' [rt], 'hypertime' [ht])

Note: Almost all string theorists use the term "higher-dimensions" although Michio Kaku wrote the book Hyperspace. I use the term 'hyperspace' because "7 dimensions of higher-dimensions" would be redundant and its abbreviation (7D hD) confusing. Also, hyperspace is needed to balance hypertime. This equation possesses a very simple symmetry of 7+4, 7+4 and then a very simple symmetry breaking of 21D/a st.

"Identifying 'True Earth-like Planets'
All New Worlds Are Built On 7_4 (like Earth) Or 6_4"

On April 21-23, 2009 at the Hilton Hotel Ballroom in Pasadena, CA, I presented this one-page paper/poster at the NASA Conference Missions for Exoplanets 2010-2020; it's been tweaked since and can be found at http://PlanetNestor.blogspot.com . For over two years, it was found at [2] and [3].

true Earth-like planets: those worlds where advanced civilizations have evolved in their past, present or future.

The Planet Nestor - our 'next-door neighbors' - is built on FOD=6_4 mathematical model

Using the closely connect74ed plan-it and unified strings 21/19 theories, I can now reveal the nearest** Earth-like exoplanet where humanoids have evolved. The Planet Nestor (not to be confused with 659 Nestor: an asteroid orbiting Jupiter) is ~4.6 billion-years-old and has...

6 continents & 4 seasons, their ancients' 6 Seas & 4 oceans, ~64% of its surface is liquid or frozen water, Nestor's large moon has 4 phases of 6.4 days each - 6 day weeks & 24 (6×4) hours - and it has 12 lunar months (25.5 days per) for a lunar year of 306 revolutions + 6 day week + 4 days = 316 day solar year with a leap year of 317 days every 4th year. All of these characteristics will be directly observed through great advances in future technology. However, with the new space telescopes, new land-based telescopes, and new techniques that we'll possess by 2018, we'll be able to test64 and confirm Nestor and its two inner planets orbit64ing at .6 AU & .4 AU and/or 6 AU & 4 AU. (Nestor's 1 AU ˜ Earth's 1 AU).

There are 6 moving objects in their heavens that can be seen with the naked eye from Nestor's surface - their 6 Classical Planets - and 4 are planets (+ sun & moon). Their Big Dipper consists of 6 stars with 4 in the quadrilateral bowl of the ladle. It points towards their North Star which is the tip of the handle of their Little Dipper which also consists of 6 stars with 4 making-up its bowl. Besides Nestor, their solar system has 6 planets: the 4th from their Sun is the LARGEST. Out of these 6 planets, 4 are non-rocky gas or ice giants. Their nearby 'colony planet' has a 46-year cycle which they observe as returning to the same position against the background of stars and is in the same relationship to Nestor and their Sun. 4-6 eclipses occur annually, the longest an eclipse can be is 6 min. 40 sec., its sun has a 10-year sunspot cycle, and Nestor's magnetic field is tilted 10 degrees from its spin axis. Their sun's radius is .0046 AU.

Nestor's 'Venus' orbits their Sun in 169 Nestor days: 6.4 x Nestor months (avg. 26.4 days).

Nestlings speak (& spell64) 'Eqfish664', acknowledfe 'FOD'(=6_4) as The Creator, practice 'famatmia64' (gematria74), use Standard/Byblical cubits of 6p x 4f, and recofnize a 'simfle64' (simple74) and elegant64 theory...

M-theory / Superstring Theory
6D hs + 4D = 10D st (4D = 3D + t)... 10 dimensions of spacetime

If the observer avoids recognizing the void (i.e. no boundary theory), symmetry is maintained with 6 aspects of regular time + 4 aspects of hypertime...

Unified Strings 21/19 Theory
6D hs + 3D rs + 6a rt + 4a ht = 19D/a st... 19 dimensions/aspects of s19pacetime

M-theory's universal laws can be localized, yet effects are felt non-locally***.

Sympathetic vibration provides clues to Nestor's existence

Our solar system is ~4.6 billion-years-old. Our Moon contains two clues to Nestor's predicted characteristics: the Moon travels around Earth at .64 miles per second and the Moon's crust is ~64 kilometers deep. Would Nestor's large moon travel around it at .74 mps and have a ~74 k deep crust as a reflection of Earth's existence? Mars contains a huge clue to the prediction of Nestor's 24/6: Mars has a 24.6 hour day. Would a potential colony planet near Nestor have a 24.7 hour day as a reflection of Earth's existence?!

Pluto also contains a huge clue to the prediction of Nestor running on 6_4. The reclassified dwarf planet is 648 miles wide, its fifth moon has been observed, Pluto rotates with a 6.4-Earth-day period and its largest moon - Charon - orbits it every 6.4 days. (Because of this, Pluto and Charon uniquely always show the same hemisphere to one another.) Would a distant 'dwarg planet' in Nestor's system be 748 miles wide, have 6 moons, and it and its 'companion moon' have a 7.4 Nestor-day revolution/orbit64 as ***'sympathetic resonance' of Earth's existence?!

Is Genasis74 6:4 and its "Nefilem64" a coded message from GOD/FOD? Many define 'Nefilem' as extraterrestrials.

Nestlings' primary global language is connected to nature: Eqfish(6,64)

A world's primary spoken language ('Holy Tongue') is based on its written language which is based on its alphabet which is based on simple geometry, pictographs, being phonetic, and its numerical order connected to history, science and Nature.

Earth and its civilizations have evolved consciously and subconsciously on GOD=7_4. Nestlings and their civilization would have evolved consciously and subconsciously running on FOD=6_4. Their primary global language - lingua64 pura - would inevitably be 'Eqfish'. Why? Because Eqfish has 6 letters and its second syllable begins with the 6th letter of the alphabet. Chaos theory states that within the apparent randomness, there are underlying patterns, constant feedback loops, repetition, self-similarity, fractals, self-organization, and reliance on programming at the initial74 point74 - initial conditions - going on in chaotic complex systems. 6_4 (& 7_4) acts as an underlying pattern/program/algorithm/'fractal'. Therefore, Eqfish=64 (E5+Q17+F6+I9+S19+H8=64) and their 1 deity64: FOD=6_4. As stated above, on Earth, this pairing74 between74 a letter & a number74 is known as Simple74English74 Gematria74. Nestlings would spell64 it: Simfle64 Eqfish64 Famatmia64. They'd focus64 on F...

Nestor's Byble46, "In the befinninf, Fod created the healens64 (heavens74) and the Nestor ('The 10 Words'). This is Fod's signature.

"In 5 days, Fod created everythinf and rested on the 6th day." - Fenkis64 (Genasis74)

The 4th Commandment: "Keep the 6th day holy."

"In the befinninf was the Word, and the Word was with Fod and the Word was FOD." - Juan46 1:1

Esus64 Chrift64 their Ewish64 Meisiah64 was born on 4/16/7 BC / 16.4.647 AUC. F6ood4 Griday (Good Friday) was on 4/6/29 AD / 6.4.682 AUC.

Nestor's Qur'ag64, "The 6 ogt repeated verses." - 6 verses of Surah 1

"Fod created 6 healens64 and og Nestor a similiar number. The 1 divine64 command descendinf."

After many centuries of having 6 Classical Planets, Nestor's Faileo6 Failei6 (Galileo Galilei) discovered 4 moons around its solar system's largest planet using the newly discovered telescope. He also first observed their 6th planet (not seen with the naked eye), but their main religious institution would have killed him had he fone public with the discovery.

Nestor's Albert Einstein, "I want to know Fod's thoufts in a mathematical way." "When I'm judfinf a theory, I ask myselg whether, ig I were Fod, I would have arrange64d the world in such a way."

"Anytime an idea is connected to nature, it's not only lofical (logical), it's inevitable."

Nestor's tropical storms become hurricanes when their sustained winds reach 64 knots/74 mph.

'Nestor' sounds like **'next-door' and humans may have a 'nest or' base there. Nestor is ~4.6 billion-years-old and has ~6.4 billion humanoids. Hey! That's very similar to Earth! Music is considered a universal language. Is it a 'coincidence' that G clef (treble clef) and F clef (bass clef) are used in conjunction to depict all the various pitches? Using strings as the building blocks of spacetime, I predict that All Earth-like planets with evolved humanoids run on FOD=6_4 (like Nestor) or GOD=7_4 (like Earth).

Feel free or 'geel gree' to spread this info / 'ingo' around. Can I get some feedback, uh, can I 'fet some geedback'?

Deleting incorrect data

This paper in 2009 used to begin with "~74% of the total mass-energy of this universe is dark energy74." This data was from the NASA WMAP. However, on March 31, 2013, the European Space Agency (ESA) released its findings from the Planck Spacecraft of ~68.3% dark energy.

4/3/14 19:04 With the latest discovery of three potential dwarf planets in the Orf Cloud, I've deleted "& 4 distant dwarf planets" from both Earth's 7_4 and Nestor's 6_4 examples. 11/14/16 10:17 Planet 9 although not directly observed, is now acknowledged by astronomers.

Links

http://7seals.blogspot.com
http://7seals.yuku.com

- Brad Watson Miami, FL 2/3/09 t 2/6/17 11:07

SuperHomura64 #fundie kumagawa.tumblr.com

(Note: OP's Twitter seems to have been deleted, so the URL I linked here leads to a backup of his rant on Tumblr)
(Other note: I was really torn on which board to put this on but it is so rabid and displays such a wide, rainbow-like spectrum of hate that I ended up putting it on Fundies.)

[Reacting to a tweet saying "FYI Overwatch's new map, Oasis, is set in Iraq. Good to see vision of futures that glorify Middle-East instead of usual depictions."]

Oh NO! Oh FUCKING NO! NO NO NONO NO NO NO NONO NO NO NO NONO NO NO NO NONO NO NO NO NONO NO NO NO NONO NO!!

Blizzard! You fucking progressive pieces of shit! I've been fucking patient with you! I've really been patient!

But to fucking glorify this kind of shit is abso-fucking-lutely ignorant! Fucking laughable to the absolute pinnacle!

HA HAHAHA! Holy shit up my mother's ass I was gonna go along with you with the Tracer thing because I thought you motherfuckers-

-couldn't sink the rabbit hole any deeper! I WAS A FUCKING IDIOT TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE!

Well thanks a ya fucking sacks of shit developers and your "inclusive" agenda! What next?! Fucking trannies running around?!

Are we gonna have blatant fucking pedophiles dating 11 year olds as well? HUH! IF YOU WANT TO SINK DOWN DEEPER YOU CAN!

I swear to Christ by the end of 2017 Blizzard better be shot the fuck up with everyone who works there DEAD!

I'M FUCKING DONE WITH THIS SHIT!
FUCK OVERWATCH!
FUCK BLIZZARD!
FUCK YOU GAMING JOURNALISTS!

I'M FUCKING DONE!

randy crawford #fundie liveaction.org

If the last space on a lifeboat can be given to either a 97 year old granny or a 17 year old high school girl, then all other things being equal 99.999% of the population would acknowledge the last seat goes to the 17-year-old. Similarly, any baby in or out of the womb is "more valuable" than the mother (or father) because the baby has more years of life available. For that reason, if some sort of surgical intervention is required and the honest choice is having to sacrifice exclusively either the mother or the child, the lesser evil is to sacrifice the mother in the interests of the greater number of years available to the child's lifetime. The only exception to the foregoing would be if the baby had some serious developmental defect that condemned the baby to a shorter lifetime than the mother.

As to rape and incest, the pro-abortion argument is selfish and clearly false. We all have one mother, two grandmothers, four great-grandmothers, and 1,024 great-9x-grandmothers. At a rape rate of 1% (and crime statistics indicate the rape rate is much higher), we all have on average at least 10 female ancestors resulting from rape a few generations ago, plus more ancestors born earlier and perhaps more ancestors more recently. Adding in male children, the number of rape-resultants in anyone's ancestry is double. If it were legitimate to kill the baby for his or her mother being raped, the extermination of the corresponding ancestors would have made sure that practically everyone would never have had a mother and/or a father born, and therefore practically everyone would have had zero chance to be born. When pro-abortionists chant devotion to their idol of killing babies to make the innocents pay for rapes they didn't commit, they are denying the validity of their own existence and therefore their own line of argumentation. Of course, like abortion hypocrites always do, they wouldn't follow their own advice and vivisect and dismember themselves simply because they resulted from a mother or grandmother or great-grandmother being raped. Their whole argument is one of selfish convenience, as with any mafia-style system of using crude pretexts so as to conceal the truth with elaborate lies. Even more hypocritically, Live Action's videos clearly prove Planned Parenthood doesn't care about rape at all, and they actively and elaborately cover up rapes that are reported to them. So the "abort for rape" lie falls apart at all of its twists and turn. And "rape resultants" like Rebecca Kiessling are happy to testify, along with their mothers, that after being raped the right decision was proven to be KEEP THE BABY to make mother happy she did the right thing.

Whether rape is involved or not, we all have El Derecho de Nacer (The Right to Be Born). This was the title of a Mexican movie made in 1952, set in Cuba, and it is available on Netflix with English subtitles.

Ann Barnhardt #fundie barnhardt.biz

I want to make a distinction between effeminacy and, for the sake of clarity, “swishing faggotry”. Most men today are still, in fact, heterosexual. But they are extremely effeminate. Whilst being sexually oriented towards heteronormative acts (simply put, they “like girls”), their mode of being, of addressing the world, is almost completely feminized. When confronted with a problem, their method of dealing with it is to first DENY THAT THE PROBLEM EXISTS. Eyes down. Look away. DON’T TALK ABOUT IT. Pretend nothing is wrong, and eventually the problem will either go away, fix itself, or someone else (namely “a man”), will solve the problem for us, out of sight, and then we won’t ever actually have to deal with it. This is how females are generally wired, because women are physically weaker than men, and the best way for a woman to keep from getting raped and murdered is to AVOID combat situations in the first place. This is what today’s post-Christian western man has been trained to do and be since infancy.

The other profoundly feminine mode of avoidance is something I observe on a near-daily basis. It is the strategy that says, “Let’s wait to do anything until it is too late to do anything. Then it won’t be our fault, because it will have been too late to do anything.” This is such transparent cowardice, but oh, so attractive to the effeminized men of today. It is painted not as the abject cowardice and impotence that it is, but rather as “prudence”. It is now believed that the prudent man is not the man who discerns and does the right, but rather the man who does NOTHING.

I am reminded of Bonhoeffer’s quote: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

No, the hallmark gesture of today’s effeminized man is not the limp wrist and swishing hips of the “faggot”. The hallmark gesture of today’s effeminized post-Christian western man is the SHRUGGING OF THE SHOULDERS. Devoid of virility, devoid of potency, and at its core, devoid of CHARITY, today’s man, when confronted with evil, turns his head away to the side, shrugs his shoulders, and bleats out his twin mottoes:

THERE’S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.

I DON’T CARE – IT’S NOT MY PROBLEM.

And so, many people look at the oligarch class, these nefarious characters infecting every corner of society, from the halls of academia, to the corporate boardrooms, to the halls of government, to the halls of the Church, and they see, generally, drooling imbeciles. And they then think that surely these drooling imbeciles will do themselves in – all we need do is wait for them to trip over their own thingamajigs and beat themselves. But that isn’t going to happen. They will continue to roll. They will continue to march down the field, because not only are we not mounting an effective defense – MUCH LESS any sort of counter-offense, WE AREN’T EVEN FIELDING A TEAM.

If two teams are playing, and one team is the “NFL Dream Team of All Time” and the other team is comprised of a blind, mentally retarded three year old, the blind, mentally retarded three year old, ALONE, can beat the NFL Dream Team of All Time IF the Dream Team never comes out of the locker room. The blind, retarded three year old can literally run up and down the gridiron, scoring at will, so long as the Dream Team remains in the locker room, watching the blind, mentally retarded three year old cross the goal line time after time, shrugging their shoulders, declaring, “There’s nothing we can do about it. Whatever. It’s not my problem.”

And what is never shown on camera or discussed is the “coach” (satan) and “assistant coaches” (demons) on the sidelines, coaxing and calling the mentally retarded three year old down the field to uncontested score after uncontested score.

various commenters #fundie reddit.com

(DaddyFunkoCollector)

I experienced the biggest black pill today.

I met up with a few of my friends to go out. Before that my one friend was going to meet up with a girl he and I are aquatinted with. This girl has all of her friends down. They’re playing never have I ever. My friend jokingly joins in and says “Never have I ever sucked a dick” all the girls put a finger down. I learned today’s these girls have fucked random guys, sucked random guys off, done anal, stripped, been filmed, and one of these girls fucked two guys at the same time.

These girls are 15 years old.

(BlackPillOverkill)
I remember playing truth or dare with friends and slutty girls. They made out for a minute, twerked on one of my friends and even showed their tits to one of them. Whenever they got dared to do anything with me they chose the penalty (cold water down the shirt or a bitchslap to the face) over kissing me on the cheek, sitting on my lap or even flashing me. It was degrading and after the 4th penalty skip I just kicked them out of my truck and went home to play TF2. Nobody gave a shit and they were upset that I took my truck home so they had to sit on the sidewalk. Being the deciding factor of a dare is fucking degrading. I’m glad those two girls ended up welfare whores.

(Ryzu1)
God you just made me remember my worst nightmares. The exact fucking shit happened to me.

(wuschelweich)
I dont believe that girls where such sluts when I was a teen in the late 90s. Something has fundamentaly changed but I cant put my finger on it..

(SoyIsGoy)
(((Them)))

(de_throni)
There was no widely available fast internet so it was better hidden than nowadays. But it still happened on a large scale.

(invdur)
You're 100% right. That's why I fucking despise people saying "Oh, but back in our days, X was so much better!", that's complete fucking bullshit and you know it, you just didn't see it happen as often/much.

(wuschelweich)
Yes, perhaps I just wasn't in those circles. I mean there was always talk of girls being more mature and more experienced than boys the same age. And the girls usually also had boyfriends that were a few years older. Me and my boys were more into punk music and lan parties. When I started finding girls interesting they were already far ahead of me..

(joeybuns)
I remember a couple years back we where playing this on boxing day me, my two mates and a girl abd the girl came out with the most hoe shit imaginable, multiple three ways with guys and girls, if there was anything sexual she'd done, my mates cousin banged her in a hotel bathroom floor while my mate banged her friend (who had a bf at the time and on still with that guy) and now that same girl is dating someone in the RAF (judging by his looks I doubt he's slept with alot of women)

(IncelForever404)
I mean I feel like even most incels have a chance at that age. Who isn't fucking?

(Ryzu1)
You're right I might have had a chance if I wasn't so autistic that I got bullied by my entire class. I had zero clue about social norms back then.

(sparkyyy1337)
I was even bullied by my teachers lol. I sat next to this fat kid and the teacher told him (I overheard it) "You are misbehaving but it's not your fault, soon we're gonna take care of 'the problem' and you'll be good". Two weeks later he gave me an F and I failed (my grades sucked but I never averaged anywhere close to actually failing).

xHPx #fundie reddit.com

I find this show the most horrible on earth. I am also disgusted at how bad of a person Chris Hansen is. He knows he's (basically) ending another man's life and he's just sitting there calm about it. I'm all for them getting their punishments etc., but not censoring their faces/voice and airing their name for the entire world to see is just wrong.

It's not like any of the people on the show is actively looking for 13 year olds because in reality, there is no 13 year old cute girl in adult chat rooms looking for a 45 year old perv to lose her virginity to. They're just putting out dream-come-true scenarios that are too good to be true with young cute girls willing to do anything for free, and some dumb guys falls for it. So far, has there even been 1 single guy on this show that had any record of previous sexual charges against minors? I don't think so.


Rape is sexual intercourse without the other party's consent. Children can't consent. All sex with children is rape, you sick fuck.

Shut the fuck up you dumb fucking douchebag. Rape=/=Child sexual abuse. She wanted it, it's still illegal, I know. But quit saying "raping a child". And besides, he wasn't going to rape a child, he was going to talk to Christ Hansen.

Shut the fuck up, you're so retarded it hurts. I honestly wish there was a retard-lock for reddit so that people like you would get the fuck away. But RES block function will have to do the job for now, bye you dumb fucking loser. :)

Daniel J. Morales #fundie facebook.com

!On a meme about calling the cops on a paedophile friend]

Only a shitty friend does some shit like that

[Various people call him out]

Im guessing you ALL started feelings of infatuation or sexuality at age 18 or 20 ?? HAHAHAHA 14 to 16 is the age it all starts you're all fucking ridiculous are you gonna sit there and tell me my Dad is wrong or sick for having my two new baby sisters with a woman that is 10 years younger than him ?

The founding Fathers were getting with 14 year olds

Youre all fucking brainwashed to the point that ... You can't even see how brainwashed you are

What about 70 year old rich dudes sugar daddying 18 year olds and shit ?? ILL WAIT