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mickiel #fundie theologyweb.com

I believe homosexuality is actually demon possesion. I think the demon is a 'lust' demon. I think evil temperment is a demon possesion. I think stealing is a demon possesion. I think killing is also, as well as cheating. When sin is continual, it is possesion, there is no other definition.

J.D. King #fundie webcache.googleusercontent.com

4 Unexpected Reasons Why Demons Have Greater Faith Than Many Churchgoers

I was recently reflecting on a conversation that took place a few years ago. A young man approached me to receive some badly-needed words of counsel. As I listened to some of his underlying struggles, it was clear that he really didn't have an intimate relationship with Jesus.

After dialoging for a while, I was compelled to ask where he stood in terms of his faith. He anxiously shifted in his seat and mumbled something along the lines of the following: "I know about Jesus and what He did on the cross. I believe the Bible has a lot of truth in it. What more is there to say?"

Although I didn't know him all that well prior to this conversation, I had observed his struggles from a distance. It would have been hard to miss the sporadic church attendance and his continual disengagement during the times of worship. His participation in the things of God was, at best, marginal. Although claiming to be Christian, darkness was all over him.

Under the unction of the Spirit, I asked him once again whether he truly had faith in God. Although insisting that he did, I could hear the hesitation in his voice. It was clear that he was struggling. Somehow I wanted to enable him to move out of this place of difficulty and trouble, but he wasn't going to do so if he didn't see where he stood with God.

If I hoped to get somewhere with him, I knew I would have to shock him. I felt like he needed to be overwhelmed with the futility of his present position. Yet, in order to do this, I would have to take a different approach. So I felt inclined to say something I had never uttered before.

I looked him and said, "I am convinced that the demons have greater faith than you!"

As you know, that's not the kind of statement people like to hear. Just as soon as these words tumbled from my mouth, I could see the lines on his face tighten. It was obvious that he recoiled at my observation. I honestly expected as much.

To move this strategy further, I knew I was going to have to clarify my point. Though it was hard to receive, I explained that Satan and his minions are more convinced of Jesus' identity and role than many churchgoers. This is an unpleasant truth that needs to be confronted from time to time.

Come on, how dynamic is one's faith, if the faith of demons is actually greater?

1. Demons Believe Jesus Is The Son Of God

I pointed out that early in the gospels, even before the disciples were convinced of His messianic role, demons publicly declared that Jesus was the Son of God. Scripture reveals the following:

"Whenever the evil spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, 'You are the Son of God'" (Mark 3:11).

While many so-called "followers" struggle with who Jesus is, evil spirits are already firmly convinced of His status and position before the Father. They have no doubt that Jesus is truly the Son of God. It concerns me when the demons might be more assured of Jesus' role than we are.

2. Demons Read And Quote The Bible

I continued with this crazy assertion; suggesting that Satan and the hordes of hell actually know the Bible. This may seem unbelievable, but the forces of darkness are thoroughly convinced that scripture is true. In one disturbing example, Satan actually quotes from Psalm 91:11-12 in an attempt to undermine Jesus.

"The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 'If you are the Son of God,' he said, 'throw yourself down from here. For it is written:' ‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone'" (Luke 4:9-11).

While unwilling to submit to the admonition and guidance of the Bible, demons have absolutely no qualms about its truth. They understand that every word written in its pages will be brought to bear upon creation. It is only a matter of time before every "jot and tittle" is fulfilled. That is more than can be said about backslidden churchgoers. They not only struggle with reading the Bible, they are also conflicted about what it is saying. There is something wrong when "Christians" neither know, nor value what God is saying.

3. Demons Believe In The Final Judgment

I went on to explain to this young man that demons are also convinced about God's judgment and establishment of righteousness in the earth. Even prior to Jesus' death and resurrection, evil spirits were already persuaded that wickedness was on its last leg. They actually expected to be punished. A few of the demons publicly declared the following to Jesus:

“What do you want with us, Son of God?” the demons shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” (Matthew 8:29)

I've met churchgoers unwilling to accept the reality of the final judgment. While demons believe God will subjugate all evil, some lethargic, pew-sitters aren't so sure. They are expecting appeasement, not eradication.

4. Demons Believe And They Tremble

Finally, I explained that the evil spirits believe in God and have such an awareness of that truth that it elicits an vigorous response. Imagine, their faith in the reality of God actually causes a tangible reaction to take place. The scriptures boldly declare the following:

"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that–and shudder" (James 2:19).

The Apostle James suggests that the demons' faith in God is so intense that it causes "physical manifestations" to erupt. They quiver and shake in the revelation of His glory. That is more than I can say about many churchgoers. Many so-called followers of Jesus claim to believe in God but there is absolutely no manifestation of that reality in their lives.

Understand, that the demons believe in God and the reality of His purposes. They know who Jesus is and exactly what He accomplished on the cross. They believe in scripture, salvation, and the final judgment. They believe in God, but are unwilling to change their allegiance or submit to His wonderful plan.

By the time I was done talking, the young man understood what I was saying. He became quiet and began to tear up. The gravity of my words began to grip him. I offered to pray for him and bring a deeper sense of the presence of God. He, of course, agreed.

Like this young man, all of us need to search our hearts and determine whether our faith is greater than the faith of demons. I know that it's easy to dismiss all of this, but if you were to lay out where you stand today, what would we find?

Is your faith truly greater?

Stephenie Wolfstar #fundie quotev.com

This one should keep us thinking.
This is a true story of something that just happened a few years ago in USC.

There was a professor of philosophy there who was a deeply committed atheist. His primary goal was for one required class was to spend the entire semester proving that God does not exist. To prove that God couldn't possibly exist. His students were always afraid to argue with him because of his impeccable logic. Sure, some had argued in class time, but no one had ever really gone up against him because of his reputation. At the end of every semester, on the last day, he would say to his 300 students: "If there is anyone here who still believes in Jesus, stand up!" In twenty years, no one ever stood up. They knew what he was going to do next. He would say: "Because anyone who believes in God is a fool. If God existed, he could stop this piece of chalk from hitting the ground and breaking. Such a simple task to prove that He is God, and yet He can't do it." And every year, he would drop the chalk onto the tile floor of the classroom and it would shatter into a million pieces. All of the students would do nothing but stop and stare. Most of the students thought that God couldn't possibly exist. Certainly, a number of Christians had slipped through, but for twenty years, they had been too afraid to stand up.

Well, a few years ago there was a freshman who happened to enroll. He was a Christian, and had heard the stories about his professor. He was required to take the class for his major, and he was afraid. But for three months that semester, he prayed every morning that he would have the courage to stand up no matter what the professor said, or what the class might of thought. Nothing they said could ever shatter his faith...he hoped.

Finally, the day came. The professor said: "If there is anyone here who still believes in God, stand up!" The professor and the class of 300 students looked at him, shocked, as he stood up at the back of the classroom. The professor shouted, "You fool! If God existed, he would keep this piece of chalk from breaking when it hit the ground!" He proceeded to drop the chalk, but as he did, it slipped out of his fingers, off his shirt cuff, onto the pleat of his pants, down his leg, and off of his shoe. As it hit the ground, it simply rolled away....unbroken. The professor's jaw dropped as he stared at the chalk. He looked up at the young man, and then ran out of the lecture hall. The young man, who had stood, proceeded to walk to the front of the class and shared his faith in Jesus for the next half an hour. 300 students stayed and listened as he told of God's love for them and of His power through Jesus.

You have two choices:
1. Pretend you never read this.
2. Pass this along to your Christian and non-Christian friends, giving them encouragement we all need everyday.

When you choose option two, you have chosen to STAND UP.

In the light of jokes we tell to one another for a laugh, this is a little different.
but t
This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.......

Isn't it funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world is going to hell?

Isn't it funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says?

Isn't it funny how everyone wants to go to heaven, provided they do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says? Or is it scary?

Isn't it funny how someone can say, "I believe in God," but still follow Satan? (who, by the way, also "believes" in God)

Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing?

Isn't it funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar, and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public of discussion of Jesus is suppressed in schools and work spaces?

Isn't it funny how someone could be fired up for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian for the rest of the week?

Are you laughing?!

Isn't it funny how when you tell someone this, you won't because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for telling them?

Isn't it funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me?

Will YOU pass this on?

I did.

PANDORA'S BOX #fundie blogring.net

TAKE A DEEP BREATH BEFORE READING THIS

There was an atheist couple who had a child. The couple never told their daughter anything about the Lord. One night when the little girl was 5 years old, the parents fought with each other and the dad shot the Mom, right in
front of the child. Then, the dad shot himself. The little girl watched it all. She then was sent to a foster home. The foster mother was a Christian and took the child to church...
On the first day of Sunday School, the foster mother told the teacher that the girl had never heard of Jesus, and to have patience with her. The teacher held up a picture of Jesus and said, "Does anyone know who this is?" The little girl said, "I do, that's the man who was holding me the night my parents died"

If you believe this little girl is telling the truth that even though she had never heard of Jesus, he still held her the night her parents died, then forward it to as many ppl u can.

Or you can delete it as if it never touched your heart.

Funny, isn't it?


Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.


Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.


Funny how everyone wants to go to heaven provided they do not have to believe, think, say, or do anything the Bible says. (Or is it scary?)


Funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but still follow Satan (who, by the way, also "believes" in God).


Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.


Funny how the lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but the public discussion of Jesus is suppressed in the school and workplace...


Funny how when you go to forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it to them.


Funny how we can go to church for Christ on Sunday, but be an invisible Christian the rest of the week. (Are you laughing?)


Funny how I can be more worried about what other people think of me than what God thinks of me. (Are you thinking?)

RejectedDreams #fundie rejecteddreams.deviantart.com

How many times have you heard someone say:"I'm a Christian but..." and then say something unbiblical?
While in their own mind this person might feel the belief they hold is correct, but when compared to what the Bibles teaches-they are in serious conflict and error. So if you are a Christian, yet any of the following sounds like something that you would say;then you need to start paying more attention to what God tells us in His Word and not what the world and its popular opinions say.

Here are a few of the more common "I'm a Christian but..." statements:

-I believe that God used evolution to create life slowly over time.
-I believe that humans evolved from apes or had an ape-like ancestor millions of years ago.
-I believe humans are animals.
-I believe the great flood of Noah is just a story, and never actually happened.
-I believe the Bible isn't to be taken literally.
-I believe the Bible is just a book of stories or fairy tales.
-I believe the Bible is not actually the words of God.
-I believe the Bible was written only by humans;God was not involved.
-I believe the Bible has been rewritten so many times we can't trust it.
-I don't think the Ten Commandments apply to us today.
-I think the church needs to be more "tolerant".
-I believe the Bible has to be updated to fit our modern society.
-I believe some words/messages in the Bible have been changed or "mistranslated".
-I don't think that homosexuality is sin.
-I support homosexual rights.
-I support homosexual "marriage".
-I believe "love is love", regardless of gender.
-I don't have a problem with abortion.
-I don't believe that hell is real.
-I don't believe that God would send anyone to hell.
-I don't believe Satan or demons are real.
-I believe in Wicca.
-I believe in a "mother earth" type of spirit.
-I believe in reincarnation.
-I believe in ghosts("spirits" of dead humans).
-I don't have a problem with witchcraft.
-I think Halloween is just harmless fun.
-I think certain books/movies/games/TV programs that involve witchcraft are harmless fun.
-I don't have a problem with TV programs that blaspheme the name of God or Christianity.
-I think all pornography is normal.
-I think the ACLU is a good organization.
-I believe there are "many paths" to God.
-I believe there is more then one way to find salvation.
-I believe all religions/beliefs serve the same god.
-I think all religions/beliefs are equal.
-I believe God is whatever you want Him/her/it to be.
-I think truth is whatever you want it to be.
-I don't know if God really exists.
-I believe everyone is going to Heaven in the end.
-I believe there is no actual "right" or "wrong".
-I think having sex outside of marriage is perfectly fine.
-I think having sex with someone is okay, just as long as you "love" them.
-I think it's okay to live together with a person and not be married.
-I think divorce is a good thing.

The Teen Exorcists #fundie bbc.co.uk

Brynne Larson and Tess and Savannah Scherkenback are all-American girls from Arizona, who enjoy martial arts and horse riding. But something sets them apart from most teenagers - they perform public exorcisms and often appear on TV chat shows.

[...]

The girls are now karate black belts, but because of their particular Christian beliefs, they have also decided to do battle, they say, against evil spirits or demons. They believe that these demons can possess a human being and cause suffering, depression or addiction.

"A demon can't just come into anybody whenever it chooses too, God doesn't allow that," says Brynne.

"What happens is when someone sins or does something, or something's done to them that allows the demon to come into them, that's called the legal right or the reason that it's there."

The girls have been trained by Brynne's father, the Rev Bob Larson, who says he has performed over 15,000 exorcisms. They have appeared alongside him in America and overseas, including the UK.

"Every single country has a specific kind of demon," says Tess, 18, who loves music and reading. The girls believe that the UK in particular is a hotbed for "witchcraft" because of the popularity of J K Rowling's Harry Potter books. "The spells and things that you're reading in the Harry Potter books, those aren't just something that are made up, those are actual spells. Those are things that came from witchcraft books," says Tess.

[...]

The girls' mentor, Brynne's father, disagrees with critics who say it's dangerous to teach teenagers to perform exorcisms. "We think it's OK to train teenagers to get drunk and have sex, but to do moral things for God, oh let's not train them to do that," says Larson. He asks for a voluntary donation of a couple of hundred dollars or pounds when he and the girls perform a one-to-one exorcism, and rejects the idea that spiritual services have to be free of charge. "Money and motives, anytime someone is in God's work it always comes up," he says. "People will pay thousands of dollars to go to drug rehab or to pay psychiatrists but there's this idea that spirituality needs to be for free. "The average megachurch pastor in America, it's not uncommon for them to make up to $1m a year. Well I can assure you we are nowhere near that."

Charlie Kirk and Eric Metaxas #fundie friendlyatheist.patheos.com

In a bizarre conversation in which both participants have no clue what they’re talking about, conservative activist Charlie Kirk and Christian author Eric Metaxas talked about atheism while building all kinds of men made out of straw.

You can hear it around the 50:32 mark:


KIRK: … I go as far to say that atheism, in certain senses, can be a religion, and people disagree at this. They say, “Well, Charlie they have no theology.” I say, “Hold on a second. Atheists have a agreed upon belief in afterlife: nothing. They have agreed upon belief in a deity: nothing. And they proselytize and evangelize moreso than Christians do.”

I get more people approaching me to try to convert to atheism than almost any Christian does. And there’s a lot of different reasons for this, but I always challenge the atheist, I say, “If you actually believed what you say you believe, why does it matter? You got like 38 years and five days left, and then you’re just a clump of cells, dust, and then you’re gonna deteriorate into the abyss. You should live it up. You should do as much drugs and indulgence as you possibly can.”

And atheists are divided into two different buckets. There’s agnostics who call themself atheist because they think it’s punk rock. Then there’s deeply unhappy people that have been scarred by religion, and they think they’re too smart for religion, and I say there, I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist. I think it takes unbelievable philosophical calisthenics to believe this is all just an act of randomness. In fact, I think it’s actually rooted in hubris.

METAXAS: Actually, I have been talking about this a lot lately. I actually believe it’s… Let’s put it this way: If God created the universe — which He did — and if He created us in His image — which He did — it is effectively, demonstrably impossible to live as though He didn’t exist. So when people talk about that, it’s a lot of words. There is no one who has the ability to actually live that way… When you have people talking about that, and… they’re implying that everything is random, life has no meaning, there is no good and evil, they don’t live that way, and they don’t dare live that way…

Their mistakes are so obvious, you would find good rebuttals on the first link in any Google search of their arguments.
But just to state the obvious, atheism isn’t a religion any more than “off” is a TV channel. Being a fan of your local sports team is far more “religious” than atheism is. We’re not nihilists either. Many atheists have personal philosophies about why they want to make the world a better place and why they want to do good — hurting other people and hurting ourselves would get in the way of all that. You don’t need fear of the supernatural to be a decent person.

To pretend life is only “randomness,” or to equate atheism with cockiness, or to assume atheists have nothing to live for means Kirk has never actually read about or spoken to them. He just makes up his own reality, then shares it like it’s gospel.

A lot of atheists are vocal because we have to be. As white evangelical Christians control the government and right-wing conservatives push idiotic arguments for public policy that hurt many Americans, it’s important to speak out about the harm both groups cause.

Metaxas, of course, believes everything Kirk is saying, and then proceeds to use that straw man to suggest real atheists don’t exist because they can’t possibly live that way. (It’s true. Those atheists don’t exist because the two guys just conjured them up out of nowhere.)

It’s not the first time Metaxas has perpetuated these myths about atheists.

He once wrote a book about “miracles” — which included things like the fine-tuning argument and the improbability of life, which have been countered and rebutted many times over — and then said of his critics that they exhibited a “real intolerance and a lack of open-mindedness.” More recently, he claimed that a solar eclipse was proof of God.

But evangelical Christians, who treat him like a supposed intellectual, rarely push back on any of this. Like Kirk, they just accept the lies because listening to actual atheists is apparently never an option.

wicked_fire #fundie gaiaonline.com

"Catholics do believe Jesus is our savior. Hello?"

"No, they do not, They believe him as great profit but they do not believe that if they accept Jesus Christ into their hearts and repent then they will go to heaven."

"Um, I went to Catholic school for three years, and they do indeed believe that Jesus died for their sins. I never once heard them refer to him as a "prophet", only as the "Son of God"."

"Catholics pick and choose what they want to Believe out of the NT. They repent to priests, not to God himself. The act of the priest being the middle man was taken out when Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Before that we were unworthy to speak to God directly, but because of Jesus's sacrifice now we can. He has washed away our sins making us pure."

"I know about Catholic practices and how they're different from what Protestants do. But what you just said here is that Catholics believe Jesus is a prophet, when in fact they do not. They believe he is the son of God, and to claim that they believe anything else is not only false, it's disrespectful of their right to worship and believe as they choose, however illogical those beliefs may be. If someone says "I believe X" you can say "I think that's wrong," but saying "No you don't" is just disrespectful and rude."


"Jesus is no only the Son of God but also a prophet, he fortold of many things, including the rature and what not. AND I told you in your other post that i know that catholics believe this. It still doesn't counter that I believe Catholics not to be true Christians."

[She just doesn't learn does she?]

Squeakybro #fundie christianforums.net

The one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already. So they start out in their thinking with the assumption that they can know. But what does the Word of God say: unless you become as a little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom of God. And a little child just believes everything you tell them. Well that is what the Word of God says, just believe what the Word tells you. In reality the Word is saying believe it first and then God will open your understanding. But the rational mind says dont believe nothing until you have good reason behind it. This is the difference between accepting it on faith, and reasoning it out according to mans wisdom. The Word accually says to first repent then believe in the gospel. It doesnt say reason it out until it says what you want it to. To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea.

ExaltGod #fundie exaltgod.deviantart.com

Why in the world do you call yourself a Christian if:

* You think the Bible is man-made, and not inspired by God
* You think evolution is true and Genesis is just a fairy tale
* You think something is only sinful if it hurts someone, and not if it's against God's law
* You think God is totally supportive of homosexuality
* You think God is totally supportive of other religions
* You think Hell is a ridiculous myth
* You think miracles are as real as invisible pink unicorns
* You think God just wants us to accept whatever lifestyles exist, even if they are incredibly sinful
* You think God loves pride parades
* You think God wants people to be homosexual
* You think it doesn't matter what anyone believes, because everyone's going to Heaven anyway
* You think God doesn't care how you live, as long as you say "I believe in God"
* You think God hates judging
* You think God loves tolerance for sin
* You think that when God returns to Earth to rule and reign, He's going to set up a democratic government, and that everyone will have a right sin as they please
* You think only a horribly evil God would ever punish people for breaking His law
* You think Jesus supports getting drunk
* You think pornography is totally fine
* You think prostitution should be legalized
* You think getting high is totally fine
* You think the Bible is outdated and bigoted, and should be ignored, except for John 3:16, and the very first part of Matthew 7, of course
* You think God doesn't hate anyone, ever
* You think Jesus died so that you could sin even more
* You think the most important thing is to be true to yourself, and be proud of who you are
* You think self esteem is more important than the fear of the Lord
* You think Jesus hates religion


Seriously...just, stop.
Just admit you're not a Christian already, would you?
Or rather, just admit that you hate God, you hate His word, and you hate Christianity.
Just admit it, and stop lying to everyone.

Beon #fundie forums.carm.org

[Concerning the OP's lesbian sister]

I want to warn you that I have a tendency to be bossy, and that doesn't combine well with written words when you can't hear the tone. So if you can hear me talking in the kindest and gentlest way, that is the way I mean them.

... If your sister brole with her girlfriend and lived the rest of her life in perfect chastity and service to others, she would not be reconciled to God. The problem is not with this one thing that she is doing, but with WHO she is. WHO she is is a child of wrath. It is not because of her girlfriend. She has a girlfriend as one of the many outworkings of the innate wickedness in her heart. Her heart is overflowing with evil, malice, and contempt. Moment by moment she exercises her hatred and rebellion against God in everything she thinks, says, and does, and everything she fails to think, say, and do. When she makes her breakfast in the morning it is out of hatred and contempt for the God who graciously provides her with it. Her soul is not doomed under the full measure of the wrath of God because she's shacking up with a girl, but because she hates God in her innermost desires. She is God's enemy.

And for her neighbor it is even worse. Everyday she thinks, says, does things out of hatred and contempt for her neighbors, whether through, gossip, slander, reviling, envy, anger, lust, or pride. She also shows her hatred everday by failing to love others in the things that she fails or forgets to think, say, and do. These things make her and ALL of us utterly guilty before God, and justly deserving of the full measure of the cup of God's wrath.

For unbelievers hellfire and damnation are coming swiftly on the wings of death because we've all earned it. None of us are seeking God. None of us are just a little bit good.

Christinaa #fundie answers.yahoo.com

if you dont believe in god your going to hell, and people always say well why would god send his people to hell, god sent you hear to spend your life deciding if he was real, god spent his time making you so why would he want someone that doesnt love him like he loves you, the devil loves all these people saying tey dont believe in god,

the bible says believe in me no matter what you hear or what people say or how many challenges you go threw, believe in me,

if scientist proved he wasnt real, i still woould believe in god, im a firm believer, always will be, no matter what all these immature people have to say

buteeful22 #fundie christianforums.com

Just don't read into it too much. Thats causes confusion and curiosity. I remember being gathered around these two people that got deep into the beginning of the earth. I found myself being curious about it. then God spoke and said clealry, 'If you get too deep into it you may be driven astry, Just believe what I say"Just believe what God says happened. Thats the problem everyone wants to know why, why, why, why, Just believe what God says.

Shari'ah Court of the UK #fundie ummah.com

All praise is for Almighty Allah (swt) the Lord of the worlds. There is no animosity except against the oppressors and occupiers and victory is for the Muttaqeen (the pious). I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, the one who sent his messenger with guidance and the deen of truth to make the whole deen prevail over all others, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His messenger, the slave of Allah, the prophet of mercy and the prophet of war, to whom Allah granted victory terrorising his enemy from one months distance and designated his provision under the shade of his spear and decreed humiliation and destruction for the one who disobeys His orders.

After the invasion of Iraq it has become clear for those whether they are closer or further from the region, to discover the hidden agenda of the American government and its alliance: that is, the destruction of Islam and to re-draw the map of the region, which has been manifested in the speech of many American senators who did not keep it secret nor ambiguous.

It is natural to hear that the kuffar (non-muslims) fight the believers because the animosity of the kuffar towards the Muslims is an Almighty tradition that will continue as Allah (swt) says:

"...And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your deen (Islam) if they can..." [EMQ Surah Baqarah,2 :217 ]

The wisdom of Allah necessitates that the believers will be tested by the disbelievers, and the disbelievers will be tested by the believers in order for those who will obey him and fight for his sake to prevail. The one who declines and allies with the disbelievers following their path, will be doomed in hellfire, for Allah (swt) says:

"If Allah wishes, you will be victorious over them, but in order to test you with others. But those who are killed in the way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." [EMQ Surah Muhammad,47 :4 ]

Therefore we are not surprised that the disbelievers are planning to destroy Islam and Muslims, because that is one of their main tasks, even though it is impossible because this plot will always be recorded until the day of judgement. Allah (swt) says:

"We will test you in order to see who is the Mujahid among you and who are firm ..." [EMQ Surah Muhammad,47 :31 ]

Nobody will argue about the animosity of the disbelievers towards the believers, and their plot against them except the ignorant, those whose opinion is meaningless. However what surprises us is to see the Muslims going astray, misled by those who are impressed with the disbelievers and their plots, but nobody is impressed by the disbelievers but the ignorant. Part of their ignorance and apostasy is that they ally with the disbelievers and join their forces, and their being called 'British Muslim' as members of the British army. They travel all the way, not to liberate Jerusalem but rather in order to turn with the disbelievers to harm Islam and the Muslims, in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine.

Dear Muslims, it has come to our attention that some Muslims have been misled by other defeated deviant Muslims, who request on behalf of the British government, for Muslims to join the British army in their onslaught and crusade against Islam and Muslims. And a similar example for some Muslims in America who have also started to join the US army, and Allah (swt) forbids that, He says:

"O Believers, do not take Jews and Christians as an alliance, they are only allies to each other, and whosoever allies with them, he is one of them, and Allah does not guide the oppressors." [EMQ Surah Ma'idah,5 :51 -52]

However this alliance with the kuffar (disbelievers) will be one of two, either that they become sinful if they stand with the kuffar, or they become apostate if they engage in fighting against Muslims. Some Muslims in the British and US armies started to participate with them against their Muslim brothers in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is naked aggression against all Muslims, and they are obliged to reject it and resist it, and fight them as a matter of obligation to resist occupation. As for those British Muslims that join the army, they will be apostate, and any one of them that goes to the Muslim countries to fight side-by-side with the UK and US forces against Muslims will become apostate, he is at war with Islam and Muslim, and his life and wealth will have no sanctity. He like the disbelievers is a clear enemy for Islam and Muslims and consequently becomes a legitimate target for the Mujahideen, and if they die they will die outside of the fold of Islam, and they will never be dignified in their death nor buried with the Muslims.

Therefore we warn the Muslims wherever they are, particularly those Muslims in Iraq, not to offer any support, morally or financially or militarily or physically in their onslaught against Islam and Muslims in the region, though they attempt to take the Muslims onto their side. But Allah (swt) designated people in this Ummah that will direct others that go astray, and May Allah protect us all.

And as for those who are allied with the kuffar and work for them as spies, in MI5, in the Metropolitan police or as their soldiers in the army, they spy on the Muslims, fight them and tried to deceive them, we ask them to give up immediately their apostasy. Allah (swt) says:

"And from mankind there are some who say: 'We believe in Allah and the Last day' while in fact they do not believe. They think to deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, but they perceive not." [EMQ Surah Baqarah,2 :8 -9]

One of their deceptions is that they claim to be believers, yet they spy on Muslims or they go abroad to fight them, or they report against them to the kuffar. If they claim to do so as no more than a job, we remind them of the saying of the Prophet (saw) said:

"Whoever earns a bite of food by reporting or spying on Muslims, Allah will feed him the equivalent in the hellfire, and whoever wears clothes earning from spying against Muslims, Allah will clothe him with hellfire." [Bukhari - Kitab ul-Adab]

And for those who go to fight, remember that the Prophet (saw) forbade for Muslims to point a small knife at another Muslim even as a joke, he (saw) said:

"Whoever points a small knife or piece of metal jokingly towards his Muslim brother, the angels will curse him and he will never smell paradise."

let alone to be involved in carrying machine guns, and driving tanks with the British army, arresting and imprisoning Muslims, fighting and killing them. Muslims will never be secure from his hand, and the Prophet (saw) said:

"A Muslim is the one who his Muslim brother is secure from his hand and his tongue."

So fear Allah O Muslims, bring an end to working as spies, police, soldiers, ministers and politicians for the taghout. Oh Allah, be the witness that we have conveyed the message.

Vladimir Vasiliev #wingnut #conspiracy newsilkstrategies.com

US friendly gesture is no doubt Trump's trick to drag Russia into the anti-China game

The friendship of Russia and the United States, according to Mike Pompeo, will end in unpleasant surprises for Moscow from Washington, said FBA Economika Segodnya (rueconomics.ru) Doctor of Economics and chief researcher at the US and Canada Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences Vladimir Vasiliev.

US will try to lure Russia into forming a coalition against China

United States Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in an interview with Washington Examiner said the fight against the coronavirus pandemic and terrorism is an area in which successful collaboration between Moscow and Washington is possible.

“I adhere to a rather pessimistic view of the prospects for Russian-American relations. As soon as the United States of America makes some kind of conciliatory gestures, later negative actions take place that sharply worsen bilateral relations.

Therefore, such statements can be called a harbinger of the unfriendly steps that Washington is preparing for us. It’s difficult to say which specific area it may affect,” comments Vasiliev.

The expert believes that the mention of the successful cooperation between Russia and the United States in preventing terrorist attacks was made by Mike Pompeo as a standard statement.

The US Secretary of State emphasized during the interview that he had been working with Russia since the time he was director of the CIA. He recalled that Moscow helped Washington save American lives by providing information, and the United States, in turn, helped Russia prevent the terrorist attack planned in St. Petersburg.

America gathers a coalition

The expert suggested that Mike Pompeo's statement is primarily related to American policy regarding the Chinese side.

“Turning to the topic of coronavirus under conditions when Pompeo is considered Washington’s main mouthpiece in the anti-Chinese course seems very suspicious. The United States of America is interested in using the Russian factor to pressure China,” the expert assures.

It is noteworthy that in his interview, Mike Pompeo openly declared Washington’s intention to force the world to unite in order to impose on China the costs incurred by states due to the pandemic. Pompeo also expressed hope that a union of countries would emerge that understands that the only way to get the world out of the coronavirus crisis is to rid it of the risks allegedly emanating from China.

Pompeo gave the interview after a trip to Israel, where he put pressure on the US ally to weaken its relationship with China. Among other states that Washington would like to bring around to its idea of ​​confronting the PRC, the US Secretary of State named India, Japan, Australia, and Brazil.

“The United States of America is forming an international position, and the statements of some states testify to this. I think that European countries will also join.

In other words, Washington has begun to form a coalition of states, which together with it will put pressure on the Chinese side in order to persuade the authorities to conduct an investigation into the emergence of coronavirus infection,” the expert believes. [Australia was one of the countries whose fawning leadership opted to fall into step with Washington. As soon as Australian sanctions on China were announced, China immediately banned Australian beef exports, causing an outcry among beef growers down under.]

Vladimir Vasiliev believes that America thinks only the Russian Federation can appeal to the Chinese leaders directly.

“Therefore, the White House will try to use Russia as a factor that could theoretically influence China’s position and persuade it to be more compliant with the West. Other states do not have such potentials.

Knowing the American approach, we can say that the principle of pressure permeates the actions of the United States to use Russia as a lever in relations with China. It is this motive that is embedded in the offer of friendship, voiced by Mike Pompeo,” the agency’s interlocutor is sure.

US is working on a strategy

Vladimir Vasiliev recalled that recently, the American side has been actively trying to pressure the World Health Organization to echo the White House’s opinion.

“The United States is gradually building its own tactics, as part of which they are also trying to probe the state of the Russian Federation, which is fighting the coronavirus epidemic. Thus, Washington intends to find out the state of our country’s economy, its epidemiological situation, and the extent to which the coronavirus has weakened Russia's position and made it compliant with the possible demands of America,” the expert explains. [At this point, Russian economists are saying that Russia’s position is strong thanks to its vast gold and foreign currency reserves, including yuan].

Marshall Billingsley, appointed by US President Donald Trump on April 10 as special representative for arms control, recalls Vasilyev, bluntly stated that the situation in the world has changed dramatically, and Russia's allegedly deteriorating economic situation opens up opportunities for the United States to strengthen the arms race.

“This logic is also observed in the statements of Mike Pompeo, who intends to launch a kind of mechanism and probe how much the pandemic has changed the Russian Federation’s posiiton.

The Americans do not share the views of Moscow, which supports China through its information activities. However, against the backdrop of United States actions, the question arises of how the Russian Federation will react and whether it decides to support the Western side to some extent instead of the Chinese side. The reaction of our country will show what role it will play in the information war that Washington has unleashed against Beijing.

However, I do not rule out that the friendly gesture by Mike Pompeo will be followed by a surprise or a gift in the form of a threat of new sanctions against Russia, ”the expert said.

Churchwork #fundie biblocality.com

[From Biblocality's jokes page. Seriously.]


Go up to an amillennialist or post-tribulation premillennialists and say to him or her, that you have become a replacement theologian. They will look at you and say, finally you have believed in what we believe. Then respond by saying, ya, I believe Israel is going to replace the church, ha ha! Then watch the steam come out of their ears.

KGirl #fundie christianforums.com

[Advice to a woman whose son has been severely handicapped due to encephalitis he had when he was five. He has seizures and the woman believes her son is possessed by demons]

It does not say in the Bible that demons cannot posses Christians. I wish I could remember the verse, but there's one that says something about a spirit in someone after having the Holy Spirit in them. I'll explain more..
Sickness is always demon attack. Not everyone believes this, however I had "ADD" and a lump in my breast. This pastor said that ADD was a weak spirit and cast it out. He also said something similar about the lump and that's gone. It's what I believe and have been taught about sickness.
Your boy can be healed of all his sickness.
"By His stripes we are healed." That verse doesn't stutter.
Going by the logic that Jesus died so we can be healed, and the logic that sickness is in fact caused by demons.. I can't see what that could be but demons causing that.
We have power, through Jesus, to cast that out. Try to pray against it in Jesus name.

Remember, we are not battling the flesh, but of the spiritual relm.

Adam Ford #fundie adam4d.com

[Transcript of Adam4d Comic]

30 Years ago
Christian: "The Bible is the Word of God and I believe what it says"
Some Guy: "Me too brother"

15 Years ago
"The Bible is the Word of God and I believe what it says"
Some Guy: "Whatever"

Today
"The Bible is the Word of God and I believe what it says"
Some Guy: "Bigot"

How Long?
"The Bible is the Word of God and I believe what it says"
Cop: "Hate Speech"

ALT TEXT: "And when that time comes, they'll still be saying Christians have a "persecution complex".

David J. Stewart #fundie jesusisprecious.org

Kanye West is not a true born-again Christian! Where is his testimony? I mean, I haven't been able to find anything that shows what he actually believes. Even the demons believe in God. Notice that in the preceding quote that Albert Pike also says Adonay (Jesus) is God! James 2:19, “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” Anybody can say that they believe in Jesus, to deceive naive and gullible people to follow them (as millions of fools are following Kanye West), but that is merely “a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away” (2nd Timothy 3:5).

The world needs the right Jesus! I love what Pastor Danny Castle said in his sermon, Sorry, Wrong Jesus!: “If the world loves your Jesus, you've got the wrong Jesus!” Yes Sir, that is exactly right!!! The apostle Paul warned about “ANOTHER JESUS” in 2nd Corinthians 11:3-4. Paul warned of “ANOTHER SPIRIT.” Paul also warned of “ANOTHER GOSPEL”! Kanye West does not have the Holy Spirit, he has a familiar spirit! The Bible in Psalm 119:105 is referred to as a “Lamp” to guide our path throughout life. This is why Jesus told us to “SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES” in John 5:39a, which testify to us concerning Jesus Christ. The Word of God is our Sword by which we can fight the Devil (Ephesians 6:17). Through prayer temptations can be thwarted (Matthew 26:41). Do you hear Kanye West quoting Holy Scriptures? I sure don't!

John Ramirez #fundie search.stillsmallvoicetriage.org

John Ramirez, Escape from Hell Ex-Satanist

I grew up in a neighborhood that, first of all, the first killing that I experienced was feet away from me when I went to go in and get a gallon of milk. Was only 10 feet away from me, they shot a guy, like, 7 times. They shot him 7 times, it was a young boy. I've seen killings after killings after killings. In order to survive in the streets of the South Bronx you had to be a killer, you have to be a murderer, you have to smart, you have to be slick. On my father's side, it was all witches and warlocks. We lived on witchcraft, we had a contract right with the devil himself. I remember when I was younger, 8 or 9 years old, I seen him going through the room to worship the devil. I could see the presence of the devil come into that room. And my father was worshipping, speak in demonic tongues and worship and put flowers and put candles and put water out. 7:00 at night until 5:00 in the morning. I was already going to demonic church, I was going to witchcraft church. I was being trained to be a warlock, I was being trained with witches in the religion for 30 years, 40 years, 50 years. It was training me to know how to speak to principalities, spirits in the ground, the devil himself. You couldn't speak to the devil right away, you had to earn your right to speak to the devil.

In the first mass killing that they did in my neighborhood was at this house right here. The husband stabbed a lady 52 times and cut her ears off - here. And then me, my brothers would hang out with their daughter and we came to the house to walk them back home, to go hang out with the daughters right here and the daughters found their mother cut up to pieces here, in this house.

I was in a schoolyard playing with some friends in a schoolyard. A pastor came and they had this band came in, they were singing songs and people started to gather in the schoolyard. It was an amazing atmosphere, you know. Amazing joy in the schoolyard. I came from a broken home. This pastor's up on stage and he's talking about some Bible story and some Bible book and he's talking about how God loves everybody, ya know, this other stuff. And for the first time I'm getting kind of captivated. "Wow, maybe God does love me. Maybe God does want me. Maybe God wants my family. Maybe God wants to touch me and my family. Maybe He wants to change my family around." I said, "Wow, I can get some of that, I can get some of that. 'Cause He's coming my way." and for the first time ever I felt an incredible love that was indescribable. There's pastors coming off the stage, praying for people, touching people. So I said, "Now, it's my turn. Now he's gonna touch me." Ya know? Now Jesus is gonna accept me, Jesus is gonna show me what love is about. And this pastor passed me by. Never touched me, never laid his hands on me. He went down the line, and when he came up to me, he passed me by, he touched the other person. And I said, "Jesus don't love me, either. My dad don't love me, Jesus don't love me." I come from a broken home. Jesus - he likes the fact that my mother gets beat up. He likes the fact that I go to bed hungry. He like the fact that, you know, there's no heat in my apartment. he likes the fact that when we go to school, we're rejects, we're misfits in school.

So, this Jesus guy - he's just like my father. He's no different. He's just like my dad.

So, I went home, broken. I went home sad. I remember a week later, a couple of weeks later - two weeks later, I went to the schoolyard, hanging out, playing with a friend of mine's. I heard something fell and hit the ground. It was a voodoo necklace. So, I took the voodoo necklace - it had many colors - I took it, I put it on and the necklace was my first contract with the devil.

We went to a Tarot card reading, and when I went to a Tarot card reading, I was a little boy, I was 10 years old - we went in. The lady doing the Tarot card reading, called the witch lady, doing the Tarot card reading she was fascinated - had her eyes fixed on me. And she said, "This boy's got, this boy - we want him. We want him, we want him. The ___ which is Santeria want him. Spiritualism___ is Spanish, Santeria they call it worship of the saints, but it's not worship of the saints, it's worship of demons. We want him. And if you don't give him to us, he's going to lose his eyesight in 30 days." So, my mother was so desperate as a mother, my mother sold her furniture. My mother sold her bedroom set to get $250 to do my first ceremony, because this lady put so much fear in us, so much fear in my mother that my mother had to sleep on the floor, because there was no bedroom for her to sleep on, because she didn't want me to lose my eyesight.

So, they initiated me to the dark side. I was 8 to 10 years old. Their first love, the first contact I had, as a 10 year old boy, the devil showed up and took the offering of giving my life to him. And they put five beads around my neck. The five worst demons of principalities that are under Satan. They put them right around my neck, which is Santeria. They put them right around my neck and they said, "These are your spiritual guides. These are going to be your guardian angels, and they are going to take care of your life from now on."

(driving downtown) This is the building, this corner building here? Used to be almost abandoned, this building here - it's in the book. It used to be so broken down, my brother used to get the water from the pump - the pump (fire hydrant) right there. The apartment was all empty, all the apartments were abandoned, Only me and my family lived here. My whole childhood was stolen, my whole childhood was worshipping the devil, going to demon church. I would go to demon church from 7:00 in the evening to 5:00 in the morning, being trained by witches and warlocks, powers, principals, rites - who owned this region, who's in this region, who's running this principality, what principality name is this? I had...how to channel powers. By the age of 13 years old I was astro-projecting, my body - I would leave my body home and go to regions, in through the spirit and curse regions, curse a neighborhood, put the spirit of prostitution, the spirit of drugs onto the neighborhood. Homosexuality spirits here, demonic spirits here, a spirit of murder, spirit of suicide. I knew how to channel all these spirits into a neighborhood. At the age of 15, 16 years old, I was going into hospitals and putting death and ICU, death in one room so this person could die, because I wanted to be promoted with the devil. To move up the ranks, to be the biggest devil worshipper in New York City. The devil became my daddy. He replaced my dad, because I prayed - I said, "You kill my dad..." At the age of 33 years old my dad got shot in a nightclub, in the face, a woman that wasn't even his, when he had a good woman home - the devil took him out. The devil said, "I replaced the old to keep the new." And the devil became my daddy.

There was a club here, and my father died there. 33 years old. And we lived over there. And then, when I was 11 years old little boy, there was a store right here on the corner and a guy got shot in the street right there, right there - on the little corner here? Guy got killed there when I went to get the gallon of milk.

And I moved up the ranks, through devil worshipping, I moved up the ranks - I moved up through principalities and demons to the point that I was able to just sit with the devil like I'm sitting with you today. And the devil would manifest himself in human form, his presence would come into the room. And I would speak to the devil all night long. He would give me assignments. I would go to five clubs, five lounges a night, to look for people to recruit for the dark side. I would tell people their fortune. I would tell people their lifes, tell people the things that they did, things that was going to happen to them. Then they had no clue who I was, they didn't know who I was, I just had the demonic powers. I had a taste for blood. I would kill animals and drink their blood every week. If I didn't have money, didn't had time to buy an animal, I would cut myself and drink my own blood. The ring of the people that I was with, there was this demonic world: doctors, lawyers, principals, judges, police officers - they were all into witchcraft. Even singers today that are very well known. I would move principalities on that region to control demons on the ground operate to cut down the church, to cut down the growth of the church. To cut down the opportunity for people to get saved. I would be drunk, I'd come out of a club, half demon possessed, drunk. I was standing in the middle of the street and say to God, "Come down. You want some of this? You want me to slap you in your face? You want me to spit in your face? You come and mess with me."

I got married on Halloween. I had a demonic wedding on Halloween. I got married on Halloween. All the demons and principalities from different regions of around the work came to my wedding. No human beings came to my wedding, they were afraid to come to my wedding. So, I had a crazy...I sent out invitations, no one showed up. There were no wedding gifts. But demons came to my wedding, they baptized(?) my wedding. So my wife was a witch, I was a witch and then my daughter was born and I was training her to be a witch, too.

I remember the first time that I was going to sacrifice my first human being. The devil was sitting in the passenger side of my car when I parked. He said, "You love me?" I said, "Of course I love you, Dad." He said, "The guy on the rooftop, he's trying to...he's going to try to take you and hurt you and take your money. You'll kill him if you love me." So when I went up there to the rooftop, I lived on the 12th floor, I remember that. When I went up to the rooftop, I remember the part that he was hiding behind. He was hiding behind the stairway. This guy was 6'5", 250 pounds. I was half demon possessed. I felt that the demon went into me, it wasn't me anymore. So I was going to drag him into my apartment and stab him in the neck, 'cause I had a _____pot - it weighed about a hundred pounds plus, plus I had 9 machetes in it, it had knives in it that I ____ the roosters with. But when I went to grab this guy, I wanted to bring him to my apartment, he got off my hands, and just disappeared. He went down the stories - I mean this guy was like an Olympic athlete, he just - woosh - gone, he just disappeared. And I couldn't grab him and kill him. I was very disappointed that I couldn't kill my first human being.

(walking down a street, pointing to the side of a building) People wrote graffiti over it - this is a demon right here. Look at the demon that runs the gates of Hell. This is the one I was telling you about that is in my book on Santeria, right here. This little demon. This is the demon that runs Haiti. The principality over Haiti. The one that's over there is the principality over Islam. Look at this. To trap the people. The Truth. The Truth will set you free. They put that up there so that people can think they're part of this. (the cross.)

What is this place?

This a place where everyone in the park comes here to __? in witchcraft to hurt people, kill people. This is the place. We can go inside. Come on.

If I tell you I was going to kill you in 30 days, you prepare for your funeral, you was going to die in 30 days. I don't care who you were, I don't care who you knew, I don't care what religion you call yourself - you say you were Catholic, you were Christian, you say you were a believer - I was going to kill you. UNLESS you had a real relationship with Jesus Christ.

The lady that lived downstairs, she came up, she told me her husband was cheating. I want you to kill the woman he's cheating with, put a witchcraft spell on her and kill her. How much you charge me?

I said, "Look. Come back, I'm going to speak to the devil, my Daddy, for a time. Come back and I'll let you know in a couple days." The lady came back, the devil told me what to buy, he said to buy a coffin box, buy 21 black candles. Buy an image of the lady, put in the box, you know, to do the witchcraft to kill this lady. So we were going to do her for 21 days, she was going to die. after 21 days we were going to do her funeral. So the lady came to my house, we were going to charge her $10,000 dollars, I told her, to kill the lady. I said "Sure. I tell you what - I know you, you been good to me, everybody house parties...give me $7,000. I give you 30% off. I said, "I'll kill her. Give me - I'll take 30% off the 10, give me $7,000." So, when the lady was going to leave my house, she said, "By the way, the lady's a Christian. The lady's a Christian." I said, "I'll kill her for free." I said, "I don't need the money. I'll kill her for free. I'm going to teach these Christians a lesson they're gonna learn. I'll kill her for free." I told her, I don't want your money -I'll kill her for free.

So I did the voodoo thing, I did the witchcraft thing and 21 days went by and the lady didn't die. A month went by, the lady didn't die. And I was like, wow - what's going on? I mean, my reputation's on the line. So I called the devil, I called the demons that were assigned - I increased the witchcraft. I increased the witchcraft, I doubled the witchcraft on her, so she could die, like, overnight. Nothing was going on, nothing was going on. I was home at night and the devil shows up, the presence of the devil comes into my house. He tell me, "We have to abort the plan on the lady you want to kill." And I said, "Why would we want to abort the plan? My reputation is on the line. I'm a witch, I'm a warlock. If I don't kill the lady, people won't think that I have any powers." The devil say, "You don't understand. The God that she serves said don't - leave her alone. Don't touch her." And I said, "Who's this God?" He said, "The God that she serves."

I was so angry, I said no, give it one more week, but let's kill her. He said, "No. The God that she serves said leave her alone." From the witchcraft that I did on the lady, she should have been dead in less than 21 days.

(In a store)This is Jezebel. This is Jezebel in their religion. This is how it works. See these statues here, they don't mean nothing, but it's the demon behind it. So in order for me to identify with this, this has to be created, because i can't identify to a spirit. I can't identify to the spirit, we have nothing in common. I'm humanity, a spirit is immortality. A spirit is a spirit demon. I can't relate to it, so in order for me to relate to it, you have to put this guy in the middle, so I can relate to it, because he's human form. He looks like a human being. There's a story behind this guy, so you and I can related to him. so the demon operates through him. Understand? Same thing with these guys. And then they give themselves names and days and birthdays. The American Indians can get caught up with demonic forces, they can get caught up into the occult. These are the entrapment of the Native American Indians. But those are statues that the people use in demonic ways, in demonic religion. There's nothing in here that is holy, there's nothing...the only thing holy here is us standing here.

What happens in this place?

This here in the back, they do witchcraft in the back, they do voodoo, they do with spells in the back, they do cleansings in the back. All these demons they want you to buy a new statue so you can take a demon home. See, selected prayers. They make you believe that you're praying to God. Look. I used to use this book, selected prayers. They make you think that you're praying to God, but these prayers are not Godly prayers. Nothing in the Bible here, say nothing about the Bible, the crucifixion.

We had a book in New York City, in American. I was the third person to get this book that had symbols in the book of different demons, different principalities, of different ways of killing people with the witchcraft. I mean this book was so...no one had a copy of this book. You couldn't have a copy of this book unless the devil signed off on you. And I was the third person to receive that book. And I would take symbols in that book and do witchcraft to people, put people...make people lose their mind. I put witchcraft on people, make people get diseases out of nowhere. I put witchcraft on people, make people get leprosy. I put witchcraft on people, make people get cancer. I mean, I gave witchcraft to people, I gave people miscarriages, I gave people abortions, I put people in hospitals for surgeries, that didn't even have to go for surgeries. I did witchcraft so people would lose their minds. I spirits of bi-polar, of schizophrenia, spirits of disease on people. I put suicide spirits on people. I'd be up all night long, praying and talking to the devil - when Christians can't even go to church for one hour. When Christians can't even pray for one hour.

The spirit realm is more real than the natural realm. And we fail to see that. In whatever's not covered with Jesus Christ is an easy target to bring down. Like, and atheist - I could kill him easily. They are easy to kill. The Jehovah Witness was easy to destroy. The Mormon was easy to destroy. The people that walk around and say, "We don't believe in the devil." they were easy to destroy, because they didn't know how to seek any spiritual help.

I remember a time when Nicky Cruz came to...a Nicky Cruz group came into my neighborhood and they were called TRUCE. They would come and do drive-bys in my neighborhood. They would do, like, worship and then they would preach a word and then go to another corner and do the same thing. And I came after these groups to try to put, to try to bring them down, this group. And they were young kids, they were like 18, 17, 16, 20 - I mean. So I said how do they dare to place this junk, this filthy music in my neighborhood - see, they would call worship. This filthy music in my neighborhood, I would go after them. I would destroy these kids. So when I went up to where they were at, there was a wall of fire around them. I couldn't penetrate against them. And there was something that pushed me back, every time I try to throw demonic forces against them, something there would just push me back and I was never able to touch these kids. And I said, there was something here. It's not right. Something is not falling into place. So I walked away, I left them alone. I didn't want to deal with them, I said, okay - they won this first round.

(back in a store) So, it's obvious there are spirits here watching us.

Oh yeah, of course they're watching us.

Yeah, and so we're all protected, we're all...

Yeah, we're protected. We're under the Blood, brother. There ain't nothing like the Blood of Jesus. Amen? There's nothing that can touch us. We got a hedge of protection around us and we can walk into this place, we can chase demons out of here, we can curse the place to the ground, in Jesus' name and there's nothing that the devil can do.

I mean, I had so much money. Beautiful cars, beautiful woman, I had it all. I lived in a world that people...my neighborhood, my neighbors were terrified of who I was. They said, you mess with that guy, your family will die. You mess with that guy, he gonna get a gun, he'll kill you in your sleep. My daddy was awesome, my daddy was...he knew had had...he give me powers beyond what I could imagine. He gave me powers that people have fear of me, police have fear of me, the securities in my neighborhood fear me. People that knew that I was a devil - they would call me the devil's son. I brought Christians to their knees, not to pray, because they had no power. It wasn't because their God wasn't all powerful, don't get me wrong. Because their God was all powerful - the vessel was weak. The vessel had no prayer life, the prayer had no fasting life. And they had no relationship with God. There was a form of godliness in the person, but no power. The person was weak, the person had nothing going. He had a Bible, he had the right suit on, she had the right dress on - but there was no connection with Jesus Christ. Because they was out of His will, they was out of His promises and they was out of His divine purpose, and I had you. I owned you. I had you as a slave, I broke you, I put witchcraft on you. I kept doing that to Christian after Christian after Christian after families after churches. I'd chase everything down that represented the Cross of Jesus Christ.

(driving)Very demonic place.

So that place has an effect on the whole neighborhood, is what you're saying?

Oh yeah, of course. Oh yeah. This whole region unlocked that. That's the devil's throne, we just went into the devil's throne. (referring to the store they had been in)

That throne been there since the 80's. And then they go spend $100, $200 buying these things, and then they broke, they on welfare, public assistance. But they got money to buy all this junk, because they think their life is going to get better, they think that their life is going to improve, they gonna make progress in life, they think that they're going break generational curses. They think they're going break vex, spells, voodoo - they think they're gonna break all that, and basically, God says "I come. I'll do that for you for free."

He says give your life to Me, and I'll set you free. But they don't want that, that's too difficult for them. That's too complicated for them. But they can walk into a place like this and drop $200 and think that their life is gonna be free. And they're gonna live a life of abundance.

I had contact with the principality that runs Haiti. His name is Condero(?). I had contact with demons in Miami. I had contact with demons in Africa. I had contact with demons in New York City, principalities that run crossroads of the world. He owns 42nd street. Okay? There's a different principality that runs crossroads of the world here on 42nd street than the one that tries to run this neighborhood.

I didn't have a conscience. I remember I did witchcraft to my brother, I put him in jail for 5 years. Witchcraft - to my own brother, my own flesh and blood. I did witchcraft and put him in jail for 5 years. My other brother, there was a warlock. He came into my house one time with an attitude and the demon jumped on him. He ran out the house, he couldn't hold the pain in his stomach. My mother can bear witness to that. I did so much ceremonies in my body. I did so much ceremonies in my body, the last ceremony I did - I not only sold myself to the devil, I did a ceremony were I had to swallow animal blood and gunpowder. It was called (?) This is a ceremony of Haitian and French. If you do this ceremony with a demon - so when I go to people's houses and eat, they can't put witchcraft on the food. I did all the ceremonies you can do.

I would go to demon church. Every year, we would have a meeting, a secret meeting. All the high witches and warlocks would have this meeting to find out what principality was gonna usher out and bring in to run the region. We were more organized than the church itself. The kingdom of darkness was more organized than the church of Jesus Christ. We knew how to do ceremonies, we knew how to do things before the year was over to prepare ourselves for the next year. When Christians couldn't go to church and pray for one hour. When Christians couldn't go to church and have a consistent relationship with God. I even took a sabbatical from witchcraft and the devil punished me - took my eyesight for one year. I was completely blind for one year. Was registered with the Commissioner for the Blind. I was completely blind. They were training me to use a Seeing Eye dog, they were training me to use one of these sticks that you use to walk the streets. My mother took care of me for one year. My eyes went black. And a mist of gray went over my eyes. I was completely blind. And when I gave my life back to the devil, after 7 surgeries, the devil gave me back my eyesight. And I could see again. And that was my punishment for taking one year off, I wanted to take off. The devil said, you want one year off? I give it to you. He took my eyesight.

And that's the world I lived in. If you mess with the devil, he'll kill you, he'll kill your family. It was a fear that was great beyond measure, that you could not leave this religion. You could not leave Santeria, you could not leave ______, you could not leave spiritualism. The doctors could not explain how I lost my eyesight. Meanwhile, Christians - and would say, what Christians do bad, Christians sometimes missed the mark, and the only thing that shows up in their house is grace and mercy. When you're short with the devil, you do something the devil don't like - he kill someone. He kill your family member. I remember the devil warned this lady, he said you can't be with that person no more and she didn't care, 'cause she was in love with the person - the devil demon-possessed a homeless guy in the street. He took a hammer and hit her 17 times on her head, killed her.

One day, I was sitting home. It was amazing. I came from a nightclub the night before. I was sitting home watching a show called Jerry Springer, a crazy show - people beating each other up. I got joy outta that, I was getting joy outta that, laughing. For the first time I heard a voice say to me, "Son. I am coming soon. What are you going to do with your life?" An audible voice, shouting from across the room. And I thought it was the TV talking to me..But then I saw it can't be the TV, these people were beating each other up. This voice... I knew the voice of the devil, I would sit with the devil like I'm sitting with you today. He would come into human form, he would come in the room, he would come in sometime, the presence come into the room. The atmosphere changes and I now he was there for me, and he was talking to my conscience. I would talk back and we would talk all night long. I knew that, too. I knew him like you knew the back of your hand. I knew every demon, every principality that ran the region, that ran everything in America. Everything in Canada. Everything that ran - I know every principality that ran every occult, wicca, new age, buddhistism, Islam, Andria, spiritualism - I knew every principality that ran. I had a contract with every principality with them, I had straight A marks with every principality, with every demon in the ground, the devil, Jezebel. I had every - I knew demons that I couldn't even tell you names, because you wouldn't know who they are. I knew them all by name. And this voice was very different than any other voice. When I heard that voice come out of nowhere - it came out of the air. The Voice.

I went into shock. And then I saw a vision from the other side of the apartment like the sky was on fire, and people underneath - I saw people running for cover but there was no cover, where to hide. And I think, why did I see that vision? So I shook it off. But I remember I went to sleep, like a deep sleep, like someone put on anesthesia and I went to sleep. I ended up in a train full of people. I couldn't believe I was in a train full of people. And this train was going faster than you could ever imagine. I'd never been on something this fast on Earth. And it went into hell. And Jesus Christ took me to hell. And when I got to hell, the doors opened. I mean, there was a slam in the doors, there was an unspeakable echo that struck all the doors open and there was heat that came out of nowhere. It felt like you were gonna suffocate, the heat that came out. I ran, I got out the train and the people on the train, they had no faces. But you could see the fear on the people on the train. You could feel the fear, the impact of the fear that they were going to a place that they were never going to return. And the place was packed.

And then, I tried, I said, "I can't die here. I can't die here. This is not for me. I wasn't born to be in this place." I was saying this to myself, I was not born to be here. So I tried to find like a tunnel, a tunnel in hell. I was walking, trying to run through the tunnels in hell, trying to find a door. Maybe a window. Maybe there was a gap somewhere that I can come out and come back to reality. But there was no gap. I remember as I...the more I went into the tunnels, the more the fear gripped me, the more the suffering. I heard suffering, just draped over you. This fear drapes over you like you're wearing a garment. This fear drapes over you, something you can't even control. You have no control over. Something like, it grabs you. It don't let you go. I couldn't see the hand in front of my face. But I hear the wailing - I hear wailing. Like, you ever hear like a kid wail, an animal wail at the same time. It's like, they're kinda wailing, it's indescribable. And there was heat and a smell that was like...like if you was in the sewers or the gutters in New York City. I mean, but crazier than that. As I came to a part of the tunnel, the devil showed up. He said, "I was your Daddy. I gave you everything you needed. I took care of you. I blessed you. I protected you. I killed people for you. I did...I give you powers, I give you a name in the darkness, the kingdom of darkness. I gave you a name. When people came against you I destroyed them, because I knew you were going to be the vessel I was going to use to move my kingdom on the Earth. And now you want to leave me? Now you want to betray me? In demonic tongues, and I'm talking back to him in demonic tongues and telling him no, I'm not leaving, I'm just confused. I don't know what's going on. And he said, "No. I know what you're going to do. You're going to leave me and you're going to expose my religion. You're going to expose who i am and how I operate in the realm, in the spirit realm. Because I taught you things that I never taught no one else. I showed you. I trusted you with the things that I needed you to know so you can further my kingdom. Because I wanted to use you in a greater measure way." And in the confusion, he went to grab me. He went to grab and destroy me and the Cross of Jesus appeared. I didn't understand how a cross, a three foot cross appeared in hell, when I was wearing blue shorts and a T-shirt. And I put it on him. And when I put it on him, the devil melt like he was an infant, like an infant he melt and fell on the floor. Like, no powers. So I took that opportunity and I ran deeper into the gates, I ran deeper into the tunnels of hell, hoping that there was a door. I had...my hope was being...there was not hope in the hope at all. There was no place saying I'm coming out of here! This was it, this was the end. I had a fear that gripped me that was indescribable - I never felt fear like that, ever felt a despair - it was the opposite of what Heaven is, opposite of Joy, opposite of gladness, opposite of Peace. It was opposite of light and darkness. It was a place of torment, a place of...if I'm here, my family won't know I'm here. My daughter won't know I'm here. How would they find me? How would they look for me?

As I went deeper into the tunnel of hell, hoping that there was a door, a window, a crack somewhere that I can get out, the devil showed up again. "So now, we'll destroy you." I told him in the demonic language, I've got these marks, these are my contracts to protect me, to destroy you. He said, "Fool! I gave you those marks. Those are my marks that I OWN you. I OWN YOU. No one owns you, I do. And you're gonna live for me or you die." And he went to grab me a second time around. I said, this is it. He went to grab me a second time around - the Cross of Jesus Christ appeared in hell. There's no greater love than the Cross that would come for a sinner like me, in hell. So when David says, "If I make my bed in hell, He knows I'm there." Grace and Mercy showed up in hell. Grace and Mercy knew my address. Grace and Mercy have a plan for my life. To my unspeakable, demonic, selfish ways. Arrogant, self-centered ways in hell, when I was down for the count. Jesus Christ loved the misfit. And He said, "I have a plan for you. I love you more than you can ever imagine." And He showed up in hell. And when I woke up, my spirit came back into my body. I woke up and I bend my knee to Jesus Christ. I had $100,000 of witchcraft in my house. I threw witchcraft away, I threw religion away. I threw everything that had to do with darkness away. The people from Haiti, the people from Cuba, the people from Miami and New York said, "we have to kill him, because he knows too much. We have to destroy him. We have to kill him, because he knows too much. He's not one of us anymore."

And they came for the kill. They did their best, they came for the kill. I was asleep in the day. It was day and night when the demons showed up and tormented me 30 days. They tormented me for 30 days. They would grab me by my throat, pick me up off my bed. The room grew cold, I would lay in my bed. I'd feel another person laying next to me, ice cold, another person. I would look like this, and feel the presence. The presence was the devil himself, laying in my bed for 30 days. On and off, on and off trying to torture, trying to steal my mind, trying to rip my soul out of my body, trying to rip my spirit out of my body. I would tremble at night, like I never trembled before. 30 days. And I would cry out, I didn't know how to pray? I said, "Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!" I didn't know how to pray. I say, my sister prays - I heard her in church, she pray this way. I heard that person pray this way - I would bring all these prayers together, to try to pull them together like a puzzle, trying to fight for my life.

One day, I was in church worshipping. And I asked the Lord, "Lord, why are You letting this happen to me?" And one day I heard the voice of God again. He said, "I want to see how much you love Me. I want to see how much you trust Me." And never again, I was tormented by the devil. And I became an evangelist for Jesus Christ. Fourteen years serving the Lord and I would never trade it for nothing in the world. Over on Hallelujah Boulevard, there's a mansion for John Ramirez. And one days says, Welcome Home, well done faithful servant. And I tell you, there's nothing - I'm not talking about Christianity - I'm talking about a relationship with Jesus Christ. He is my Lord. He is my beginning and end. No weapon formed against me will ever prosper. I die when Jesus say I go Home. Not because of a witch. Not because of a person. Not because hex, voodoo, incantation - none of that can separate me from the love of God.

Judy Mikovits; Larry Klayman #conspiracy #crackpot mediamatters.org

[ERIC] BOLLING [(HOST)]: Dr. Mikovits, tell me about the -- what you believe Dr. Fauci has done wrong?

JUDY MIKOVITS: I believe Dr. Fauci has manufactured the coronaviruses in monkey cell lines and shipped them from and paid for and shipped the cell lines to Wuhan, China, now for at least since 2014. He published that fact and funded the studies that were published in 2015 in Nature Medicine that stated that the original cell line the Chinese used to grow the virus was shipped from Ft. Detrick, USAMRIID, the biosafety level 4 facility there.

BOLLING: Doctor, that’s a pretty hefty claim. You’re claiming that there was a virus that Fauci discovered, the coronavirus -- again, there are many coronaviruses -- but he shipped this specific version to China --

MIKOVITS: No.

BOLLING: And then somehow it leaked? Tell us.

MIKOVITS: No. I’m not saying that he discovered it, I’m saying they were manufacturing these animal tissues. They were using these animal tissues at Ft. Detrick, and this has been done for decades. It was illegal in this country, so instead of continuing the work there, he funded the studies. He’s the head of NIAID. He didn’t discover this particular coronavirus, but they had been working on isolating coronaviruses from bats, both at USAMRIID since the mid to late ‘90s, and they had shipped -- originally funded the studies to Wuhan, China, when it was illegal in this country to do these types of studies further.

BOLLING: All right, let’s bring you in Larry, let’s talk about the law here. What is your claim and, you know, how is it steeped in law?

LARRY KLAYMAN: Well we’re looking at a possible RICO case, Eric, and we’re analyzing that right now, but what it appears happened is the Chinese got that virus. And we know that $3.7 million was given as a grant during the Obama administration to that Wuhan laboratory, that’s not in dispute. And the Chinese then engineered it into a bioweapon. So what happened here, actually, is relevant to our lawsuit in Dallas, Texas, our class action against the communist Chinese who are releasing, either accidentally or by design, this pandemic. So, it’s a very serious matter, and it needs to be looked into. No one wants to discuss it, and I suspect the president probably knows about this right now, which is why -- and I support the president personally, but I don’t think that’s why he’s -- I think that’s why he’s going not real strong against China right now, because this virus actually had its origins, apparently, in a lab in Ft. Detrick, Maryland.

BOLLING: And Larry, we know about the funding the Obama administration sent to China, the Wuhan lab, but allegedly it was for discovery of a vaccine of this exact virus. Earlier, the doctor talked about something that Fauci may have been doing, experimenting here illegal. Tell us about that piece of it.

KLAYMAN: Well, let me just say this. I think one thing the left and the right have in common these days, Eric, is that we don’t believe a word the government tells us. And the fact that they claim they’re looking for a vaccine -- you know, they were doing research, and Judy could talk about this more, at Ft. Detrick to combat bioweapons. OK, so, they weren’t there just for vaccines. I mean, they were there for a number of different reasons. But let me turn it over to her because she’s the expert here.

BOLLING: Go ahead, doctor.

MIKOVITS: Ah, yes, Eric, these -- since the mid ‘90s, we’ve been working with Ebola and other strains of viruses from bats and animals. And we -- I did that work at USAMRIID, that means U.S. Army Research Institute for Infectious Disease. So we were doing those studies, allegedly then, to provide vaccines or therapeutics, but we were working, mixing animal tissues in these human cell lines, the exact same cell lines used in China. And these viruses have escaped before, the Ebola strain in 2014 that killed 21,000 Liberians came from that same USAMRIID facility in Ft. Detrick, Frederick, Maryland.

Anonymous Coward #fundie godlikeproductions.com

PORNOGRAPHY and INSOMNIA DEMONS - Demons causing insomnia and porn addiction - SET YOURSELF FREE

Insomnia and pornography go hand in hand.

If your addicted to porn you have LUST DEMONS, if you think it is good to have lust demons, think again, becuase they attach themselves to your organs and body and eventually will cause disease, sickness, and death. They come to steal, kill and destroy.

Usually the person will develop insomnia because the demons will torment the mind with pornography thoughts and lust day and night, thats why they cant sleep at night, they are constantly being tormented.

Demons are the ROOT CAUSE of these problems, as well almost everything else.

The world is falling apart because these demons have now been able to attack more easily, the end times is near people..

CASE THEM OUT NOW , HERES HOW:

1) The moment you get the URGE to watch porn, goto youtube and search "brother carlos casting out your demons"

Watch this for 20-30 minutes AND KEEP EYE CONTACT WITH HIM. YOU WILL START TO FEEL SOMETHING MOVING AROUND YOUR BODY/ EXTREME YAWNING / HEADACHE, these are symptoms that the demons are leaving your mind and body. BEAR THE PAIN AND KEEP WATCHING.

After watching the video, YOUR DESIRE TO WATCH PORN WILL BE GONE AND YOU WILL FEEL BETTER THAN EVER BEFORE

2) This is only temporarily, once the demons gets out of your body, they will return with more evil spirits and your condition will get worser, why?

"When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."
-Matthew 12:43

What does this mean?

When you cast out the spirit your house (SOUL AND BODY) is cleaned, thats why you will feel better after watching the video.But after a couple days the demons return, this time with more demons and DWELL IN THERE, so your condition will get worser

So how do you prevent them from coming back to your house?

Answer: YOU HAVE TO INVITE THE HOLY SPIRIT/HOLY GHOST (THE SPIRIT OF GOD) to DWELL IN YOUR BODY, so that the demons will not be able to come back. Its a protection barrier to prevent the demons from coming back.

SO HOW DO YOU INVITE THE HOLY SPIRIT?


READ THIS PRAYER

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YOU HAVE TO READ THIS FROM YOUR HEART AND BELIEVE EVERYTHING IT SAYS OR IT WONT WORK

I had to break down and cry for forgiveness, and read this from my heart for it to work; thats when I recieved the holy spirit, A SENSE OF PEACE AND JOY WILL OVERCOME YOU, THATS WHEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED!

GOD BLESS!

mermaid_green #fundie community.livejournal.com

when i was older, and it had been several years since their family had moved, my mom finally told me what happened.

my mom said she had been visited by a demon that said it would kill her parents if she told anyone about it, and that she had to stop going to church or it would kill her parents. she couldn't pray, couldn't worship God, and was basically torchered for several years in this way, for the demon wouldn't leave her alone.

after they moved, someone exorsized the demon, prayed over her body, and eventually the demon left the body. she was able to tell her story and now functions normally.

can tell you this, however. even if I hadn't heard the story, and from someone I trust and about someone I know, I would believe in demon possession. Demons love confusion, and as the Bible says, God is not the author of confusion. and we are humans, not indestructible, un-puncturable objects. we are easy to possess, i imagine, as long as God isn't protecting us.

i think it also happens to test us.:)

also I would believe simply because I believe God controls the Bible's content, and God never lies.

Michelle Meyer and another employee #fundie patheos.com

In a horrible case of real religious persecution, a 7-year-old boy in Indiana was punished and ostracized by his public school teacher after saying he did not believe in God.

Disturbing details are emerging from a lawsuit filed against teacher Michelle Meyer at Forest Park Elementary School who allegedly punished her 7-year-old student with “banishment” for not believing in God.

According to the lawsuit, Meyers forced a second grade boy (identified as A.B. in the lawsuit) to sit by himself at lunch for three days as well as ordering the boy not to talk to any of his classmates after the boy told another student he doesn’t go to church and doesn’t believe in God.

The following is an excerpt from the lawsuit, via the Washington Post:

"9. On or about February 23, 2015, A.B. and his classmates were on the playground during
the school day immediately before lunch when A.B. was asked by one of his classmates if he attended church.

10. A.B. responded by stating that he did not go to church and did not believe in God. He also stated that it was fine with him if his inquiring classmate believed in God.

11. The classmate said that A.B. had hurt her feelings by saying that he did not believe in God and started to cry.

12. A playground supervisor reported to Ms. Meyer what had happened.

13. At that point the students were going to lunch and Ms. Meyer asked A.B. if he had told
the girl that he did not believe in God and A.B. said he had and asked what he had done wrong.

14. Ms. Meyer asked A.B. if he went to church, whether his family went to church, and whether his mother knew how he felt about God.

15. She also asked A.B. if he believed that maybe God exists.

16. [The teacher] told A.B. that she was very concerned about what he had done and that she was going to contact his mother — although she never did.

…

22. On the day of the incident and for an additional two days thereafter, [the teacher] required that A.B. sit by himself during lunch and told him he should not talk to the other students and stated that this was because he had offended them. This served to reinforce A.B.’s feeling that he had committed some transgression that justified his exclusion."

In addition to Meyer’s punishing her student for saying he did not believe in God, another Forest Park Elementary School employee also harassed the little boy for saying he did not believe in God:

"8. A day or two after the initial incident, A.B. and his fellow-student who had become upset with his comment on the playground were sent to another adult employed at Forest Park Elementary School.

19. This person asked them what the problem was and A.B. indicated that his classmate had become upset when, in response to her question, he had said he did not go to church and did not believe in God.

20. Upon hearing this, the adult employee looked at A.B.’s classmate and stated that she should not be worried and should be happy she has faith and that she should not listen to A.B.’s bad ideas. She then patted the little girl’s hand.

21. This was, again, extremely upsetting to A.B. as it reinforced his feeling that he had done something very wrong."

To sum up, one student told another student he doesn’t go to church and doesn’t believe in God. Apparently that upset the other student, who said the statement hurt her feelings. As a consequence, the student was punished by his teacher and another school employee for simply articulating the fact that he does not believe in God and does not attend church.

The district, who for some reason is not named in the lawsuit, released the following statement about the unfortunate affair:

"It is clear that it is not the province of a public school to advance or inhibit religious beliefs or practices. Under the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution, this remains the inviolate province of the individual and the church of his/her choice. The rights of any minority, no matter how small, must be protected."

The most tragic part of the story:

"31. A.B. came home from school on multiple occasions crying saying that he knows that everyone at school — teachers and students — hate him.

32. Even now there are some classmates who will not talk to A.B.

33. Even now A.B. remains anxious and fearful about school, which is completely contrary to how he felt before this incident."

“He was publicly shamed and made to feel that his personal beliefs were terribly wrong.”

Steve Simms #fundie tennessean.com

[Commenting on a news article on the Mercy Ministries abuse scandal]

A clear anti-supernatural, anti-Christian prejudice is displayed in this article. The accusation that people were "forced" to go through exorcisms in a free program. My, my. Free services often have rules and/or requirements. What is wrong with requiring someone who of their own free will participates in a free service to read a prayer saying "I cast you out in the name of Jesus."?

The Tennessean clearly states that this program is getting great results and then turns around and runs it down. And then they list the names of some of the contributors as if trying to associate those contributors with some kind of wrong doing.

Believing that demons can impact people in a negative way is not a strange or harmful belief. It is a Biblical belief. Jesus, Himself, believed in demons and drove them out of people. The Bible and Christinity both teach that demons are a reality and can have a strong negative influence on people's lives. They both teach that people can be set free from demons through the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus, Himself, taught that if a person is freed from demonic influence and allows that demon to return to hiis life, it will be stronger than it was the first time. An anti-supernatural prejudice, however, discounts and/or mocks these serious Christian beliefs.

If you don't believe in demons, talk to an addict. I counseled more than 1600 alcoholics and addicts and almost every one of them believed in the reality of demons. They knew it from personal experience -- a negative, compulsive force had control of their lives. Many found freedom through the supernatural power of Jesus Christ.

SEDAGIV #fundie disqus.com

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, that's like saying "I don't believe we breathe in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide". You can say you don't believe it, but it doesn't change that that's the case. Anytime you have an unclean thought, it's a sin. Anytime you use profanity (purposely or otherwise), that's a sin. It's that sin, that imperfection in every one of us that is the reason why we don't all have perfect health, among other things.

"That's just pure silliness, akin to, "Junior was born cross-eyed 'cause a black cat jumped on Mama's lap when she was pregnant." Silliness born from utter ignorance about anatomy, hygiene, and germ theory. Your invisible friend is the definition of supernatural."

Yet he has nothing to do with the introduction of sin. That all came from decisions made by flesh-and-blood humans. ROFL! By all means, keep displaying that ignorance of the things you're trying to mock. It's hilarious.

"Says the guy who apparently believes in a talking snake."

*Munching on popcorn*......please, provide more ignorant mocking claims about something you know nothing about.

"I know plenty about it. I spent the first 20+ years of my life in the Protestant faith. It isn't some super complicated, arcane knowledge. It's nothing more than simplistic myths, promulgated by Bronze Age tribesmen."

So you really know nothing about it. Ok, got it.

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie disqus.com

The really big question is this:

What is wrong with this shooting on atheism? If there is no God, then all things are permissible - there certainly will not be any objective moral justice meted out to the terrorist. Atheists generally agree with me here:

“In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, or any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference… DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.” (Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life (1995))

“Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear — and these are basically Darwin’s views. There are no gods, no purposes, and no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end of me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning in life, and no free will for humans, either.” A-theist William Provine

“The position of the modern evolutionist is that humans have an awareness of morality because such an awareness of biological worth. Morality is a biological adaptation no less than are hands and feet and teeth. Considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an objective something, ethics is illusory. I appreciate when someone says, ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself,’ they think they are referring above and beyond themselves. Nevertheless, such reference is truly without foundation. Morality is just an aid to survival and reproduction, . . . and any deeper meaning is illusory.” (Michael Ruse, “Evolutionary Theory and Christian Ethics,” in The Darwinian Paradigm (London: Routledge, 1989), pp. 262-269).

“Is there a God? No.
What is the nature of reality? What physics says it is.
What is the purpose of the universe? There is none.
What is the meaning of life? Ditto.
Why am I here? Just dumb luck.
Is there a soul? Are you kidding?
Is there free will? Not a chance!
What is the difference between right/wrong, good/bad? There is no moral difference between them… So much for the meaning of history, and everything else we care about… you will have to be comfortable with a certain amount of nihilism . . . . And just in case there’s always Prozac.” -- Alex P. Rosenberg

First of all, you're way off base in terms of how you're understanding all three of those atheist statements. They don't mean what you think they mean.

This article is one you need to read, because it puts all the William Lane Craig stuff in the dumpster where it belongs:

http://goddoesnt.blogspot.ca/2013/02/god-doesnt-give-us-moral-ontology.html

Here's a sampling:

The entire Twitter engagement about moral ontology (which arose after being asked for evidence that God exists, recall) arose with "do you think objective morality exists?"

I answered this question the same way I answered it in God Doesn't; We Do.
"It depends on how we define the word 'objective.'" I don't mean to play word games here--indeed, I think it's an interesting and hard question. Let me show you what I mean by showing you two ways we can interpret that term:

(1) The theist way: Objective morals are divine ethical laws that stem from a source outside of human minds (the fellow I talked with last night specifically said this, adding the words "transcendent" and "supernatural" in the mix).
(2) The science way: Objective morals are ethical guidelines that have been empirically determined to optimize values in salient metrics that gauge them.
Incidentally, while the term "supernatural" cannot apply to (2) above, the term "transcendent" can, but not in anything but the mundane "societies are bigger than individuals" sense.

So, I'm not being a jerk when I say that the term "objective morals" isn't sufficiently clear for me to answer the question of whether or not they exist.


Those statements mean exactly what they clearly say.

The fact that you do not WANT them to mean what they clearly say and mean is no warrant against their clarity. Those are just your feelings talking. :-)


There is really no shame in admitting you don't understand them :)

Let's look at Dawkins first: What do you think his statement is saying? That atheists should care nothing about killing or harming others wantonly because they don't believe they'll answer to a God?


"There is really no shame in admitting you don't understand them."

There is really no shame in admitting you DO understand them but don't like what they say. :-)


I wouldn't be ashamed of such a thing, but it's patently absurd to suggest that we need a God to be moral people. You know this, and that article I liked pretty much gives William Lane Craig the spanking he's always deserved. Did you read it?

"we need a God to be moral people"

You miss the point completely between ontology (existence) and sociology (behavior). Here is a great short video for you to watch that will distinguish between these two concepts and epistemology (how we come to know objective moral values and duties):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxiAikEk2vU

You're very fond of saying that to people, but I don't think you have a clue what it means yourself. Epistemology is how we come to know things, and ontology is what IS. So I know full well the difference. How do you think it relates to the discussion at hand, and what makes you say that I missed the point in what I said?


"You're very fond of saying that to people"

You're very fond of saying "You're very fond of saying." :-)

"but I don't think you have a clue what it means yourself."

Projection, after you confused the terms yourself. :-)

"Epistemology is how we come to know things, and ontology is what IS."

So, you admit that you confused sociology with ontology above when you wrote "it's patently absurd to suggest that we need a God to be moral people"?

"So I know full well the difference."

Apparently not. Well, maybe the short video taught you better. That is progress.

"How do you think it relates to the discussion at hand"

The atheist quotes are about ontology, the existence of objective moral values and duties, of objective good or evil. Your strawmen were about sociology and pin one case epistemology. Pretty simple actually.

If seems you have a fight with your fellow atheists. Just take it up with them - publish a paper that contradicts their quotes regarding ontology.


Come now, I've seen it over and over. You say to people "You are confusing moral epistemology with moral ontology" to try to flummox them with your highfalutin language. Well, I am not intimidated by it, I know what it means, and you know as well as I do that you can't possibly know moral ontology when it comes to God because God is not knowable. And by assuming you know God you're not going to win any arguments. Tell me please what I have "confused" here. I know it perfectly.

"So, you admit that you confused sociology with ontology above when you
wrote "it's patently absurd to suggest that we need a God to be moral
people"?"

No, because it IS patently absurd. Did you or did you not read the article I linked? It talks at length about the ridiculousness of making the statement that we need God to make moral statements.

The atheist quotes are no such thing. You are making the Dawkins quote in particular to be about behavior, and it's NOT about behavior. Dawkins is simply making the statement that DNA doesn't have a conscience, it just is. How can he be talking about moral ontology when he's discussing DNA? He isn't suggesting that we go out and kill people because of it. And that's how you're interpreting it, which is wrong. Pretty simple actually.

I'm on board with everything those atheists said, and guess what? We don't need God to know good behavior from bad. What a shame you think you do.


"Tell me please what I have "confused" here."

Already did. Not only told you but proved it to you. The fact that your feeewings were hurt is not warrant against the truth.

"Dawkins is simply making the statement that DNA doesn't have a conscience"

False. No one defends that it does. Morality is always discussed inseparably from humans. No one goes around saying "rocks aren't good or bad." That's silly. Dawkins meant what Dawkins said.

"I'm on board with everything those atheists said"

I know you are. :-)

"We don't need God to know good behavior from bad. What a shame you think you do."

What a shame that you once again confused epistemology (how we know right from wrong) with ontology (the existence of right or wrong). You are the gift that keeps on giving! :-)


No, you have proven nothing. What you did was insist by stamping your little feet that I don't know the difference between moral ontology and moral epistemology, and I proved to you that I did. Furthermore, my original statement still stands strong: We don't require a God to be moral people.
"Dawkins is simply making the statement that DNA doesn't have a conscience"
"No one defends that it does. Morality is always discussed inseparably from humans. No one goes around saying "rocks aren't good or bad." That's silly. Dawkins meant what Dawkins said."

All right, well, in that case, may I ask you if you know what DNA is? Deoxyribonucleic acid?

It seems pretty obvious to me that Dawkins was saying that bad stuff happens in the world. The universe doesn't have a conscience because the universe doesn't have morals. That's all Dawkins was saying. Somehow you find that shocking and horrible. Why? It's true. What did you infer from Dawkins' statement that had him saying there was nothing stopping us from murdering little old ladies? You sure like to post his quote a lot. It would help if you knew what he meant, I think.

"What a shame that you once again confused epistemology (how we know right from wrong) with ontology (the existence of right or wrong)."

I did no such thing. Your arrogance in this matter is your stumbling block. You think you know moral ontology, that you know the existence of right and wrong and that you know God. You don't. That's nothing more than faith. You keep making God a foregone conclusion and argue from that standpoint. What you need to do is take a step back from that position and say "IF God exists..." Because that's the crux of the matter here. We need a level playing ground. And we're never going to have a level playing ground if you keep assuming God before the debate even starts. Moral ontology, which you keep talking about, isn't yours to claim.

various commenters #racist reddit.com

(Note: Warning, rather graphic image in the link)

Sweden: Girl attacked with a bottle for rejecting a man groping her crotch. Attacker described as 5'10", mid-20s, dark hair, muscular build, following EU guidance to censor ethnicity. No investigation as he can't be identified. Feeling safe, Swedes? Feel like your country cares about you?

(50pointdownvote)
When you say no but your country says yes.

(garmentofpraise)
I think it's safe to say that all Swedish girls need guns.

(nato138)
I think it's also safe to say that Islam is total cancer as being raised in it clearly leads to this behavior being accepted in their "culture". Actually, in certain countries it's not even safe to say that.

(radarOrGTFO)
Or, ya know, Swedish men that are actually men and stand up for the protection of the vulnerable. If this were happening in my neighborhood, men would patrol the streets and enforce nature's law.

(Swordeater)
Ah, but the patriarchy! Can't be making the women feel weak by protecting them!

(PM_your_front_bum)
You'd like to think so.

But you aren't going to do much against the state.

You'll be arrested/shot and if you live, you'll be thrown in a cell, full of these animals for your own enrichment.

It's the kind of thing that will probably only be fixed with civil war.

(steelfil666)
Its not civil war if its against islamic intruders. Its.. a sorry cant contained it any longer, "DEUS VULT" is incoming..A CRUSADE!

(Stumpsmasherreturns)
The Islamic invasion is the symptom, the government is the problem. The men of Sweden need to find their meatballs.

(HerrBBQ)
NATO did their best to indoctrinate European boys into dickless wimps after World War II so the US wouldn't have to deal with another round of nonsense. They had good intentions, but they seriously fucked up European society because of that.

(VaderNocturnus)
Id "convert" to muslim, Build a following, Call the old muslims not "real" muslims, Start in-fighting and division, Brand original muslims as the infidels, reinterpret the entire religion, Watch islam eat itself in Europe....Government can't shun the movement because we wuz muzlums.

Sweden used to be a super power that could swing their dicks at Russia in their hay day..

Im not much for religion, But Christian values need to be reintroduced in the region, because the moral fiber of the country is so withered, Only a spiritual enlightenment could save that populace.

(marowak13)
Did she forget to wear her Swedish government issued rape prevention bracelet?

(GrinningLion)
I thought they were passing out whistles.

(marowak13)
that was ableist to people who don't have lips.

(Stumpsmasherreturns)
To be fair a good chunk of Swedish women have lost their lips what with the acid attacks...

(KekistaniCrusader115)
No, it's mandatory anti-rape hijabs. You would be safe from rape AND show women empowerment!

(feddup2)
Mid evil muslim middle age savage society treats women like slaves. What could go wrong Sweden?

(UkraineRussianRebel)
"I accepted any refugees no matter where they're from, WCGW?"

Let's post something from Sweden on r/whatcouldgowrong, would it get banned?

(Podesta_tha_molesta)
The west: "They're just like us!"

The middle east: "Aloha Snackbar!"

(Martellus732)
Sounds like she got culturally enriched against her will.

Rule of Thumb #1: if they don't mention race - assailant is probably not White. Rule of Thumb #2: if an alleged assault on a muslim/homo is in the news, it's most likely a hoax.

(UkraineRussianRebel)
Omg, are you assuming there are no dark haired, muscular, tan men in Europe? Classic Spanish tourists raping in Sweden! /s

(bahhumbugger)
Islam has always been part of Sweden! /s

(UkraineRussianRebel)
I've been to a modern art exhibition by a Swedish artist which included a classic red Swedish wooden barn adorned with Islamic symbols. At first, I thought it was a parody and sarcasm. No, the author, in the description, actually said that "this is Sweden now" and for "most Swedes, multiculturalism is more familiar than 'Swedish culture' which the 'right-wing populists' are talking about."

A Swedish barn with Islamic symbols was meant as definitely a positive thing.

(greyhoundfd)
The sad thing is I think he’s right though. The process of demoralization has been so thorough and complete in Sweden that I think many Swedes couldn’t really identify with their own culture even if they tried. The sad fact is that for many of them an Islamic state would be an improvement because currently they have nothing. Hopefully they can find a new National identity which is more Western than Islam but I have little hope.

(poldicer)
to be fair gypsies are a huge problem in europe and they aren't kebabs.

(13dimethylamylamine)
Ah gypsies. Most people think of gypsies and they think of the ones that you encounter in Italy and France... they have no idea how brutal some of them can be, especially in Central and Eastern Europe.

David J. Stewart #fundie godlovespeople.com

I love the illustration of standing on a chair to change a lightbulb. Even if I am 99% sure that the chair is too shaky and won't be able to support my entire weight, it is still nothing less than 100% faith if I stand upon the chair. Of course, in reality no one in their right mind would stand upon a shaky looking chair that they were convinced wouldn't support them. Albeit, it would still be 100% faith if I did choose to stand upon the chair unaided by a helper, rope or something to cling to in case I fall.

Please understand that optimism (a positive outlook) is NOT faith. I could stand there all day proclaiming how much I believe the chair will hold me up if I were to stand upon it. I can say loud and confidently, “I believe! Boy, brother, you've just got to believe! I believe that this chair can hold me up!” But that is NOT faith at all, not even in the least, because I am not standing upon the chair. So even in the presence of great optimism, I can have no faith at all. That's what Modernists and Roman Catholics have, that is, they really think they're going to Heaven, but they've never trusted Christ. Catholics instead trust their church and the seven sacraments to save them. Modernists trust their humanism, self-righteous works and new age spiritism.

In sharp contrast, the Biblical Christian rests completely in the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ, standing upon the chair (which pictures Christ in our example). Saying you believe that Christ can save you is not faith, anymore than saying you think the chair can support your weight is trust in the chair. Even if you have 99% doubt in the Bible, God will save you if you'll believe the gospel. That is, if you'll personally receive Christ's death upon the cross, His burial and bodily resurrection from the dead as payment for your sins, you will be saved.

All mankind are sinners. As such we are all under the condemnation of God's law. There is a price for sin that we all owe to God. That price is spending eternity burning in the Lake of Fire! Consequently, we need to find someone who doesn't owe that price, someone who is not condemned, someone who can pay that price for us. Blessed be the name of the Lord, Jesus is the Christ Who paid the price for our sins with His own blood! Jesus was miraculously born of a virgin, lived a totally sinless life, and was accepted by God the Father as a well-pleasing sacrifice for the sins of the world. JESUS PAID THE PRICE!

Romans 4:5-6, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works.” Notice that we just read a man's “faith is counted for righteousness.” That is so important to understand. It means that all the heretics requiring intent to reform as part of salvation are liars, wrong and false prophets! This includes Aiden Tozer, John MacArthur, Jack Chick, David Cloud, William Lane Craig, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, Benny Hinn, Eric Hovind, Paul Taylor and thousands more. Jesus is Lord, you don't make Him Lord! You simply trust Jesus to be saved.

Jennifleur #fundie rr-bb.com

Yes, it is amazing. But I counter it when I can. A year and a half ago, when I was at my former job, I had a coworker ask me if I believe in ghosts. I said "No, but I do believe in demons." I think it freaked her out (she's a nonbeliever). I think that was that last question that she ever asked me that touched on my beliefs. We had talked about other things before, so she knows where I stand with my faith and my thoughts on morals (completely 180 degrees from where she stands). But I think that day she thought of me as a nut job. A right wing religious nut job!

DarkAngel #fundie darkangel.mydeardiary.com

I really hate it when atheists I know try to act like they look down on me for believing in God. Saying shit like they didn't know I was one of those weak minded people who needs to cling to some imaginary God for strength. Fuck that, and fuck anyone who thinks that. You know what I think? I think it shows MORE strength of character to hold onto your belief in things unseen, like God. It takes more will and mind power to believe in something purely on faith, something that CAN'T be proved, to stand up against science and atheists and anyone else who says your wrong. If you don't believe in God, and you believe in science...WOW, you believe it because science says it is so and there's all this proof. You need to see to believe -- you have no faith. Isn't that weaker? Isn't THAT the real lacking, to not be able to believe in something without seeing it yourself.

That's just an answer to all the people who come at me like that. Personally, I really don't care what anyone else believes. You have your beliefs, I have mine, and as long as your beliefs aren't detrimental to my life or the lives of others, go on with your bad self. But do me that same favor, leave me to my beliefs without your snide little comments or condescending attitude.

Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

The god of atheists is the human being. They believe there is no power in the universe higher than the human mind. They also believe that their beliefs determine reality. In other words, they think that if they don't believe in hell, then that means that hell doesn't exist.

So the god of theists is as tangible as the statues of zeus, Apollo, Athena, and other tangible objects that break and die. So it's a false claim they make when they say they don't believe in God. They just think they know better than Christ does who the real God is. There can hardly be anything more arrogant. But it's Satan who's leading them to these irrational conclusions. They just don't know it.

Kenneth Copeland #fundie #mammon #racist msn.com

A wealthy televangelist explains his fleet of private jets: ‘It’s a biblical thing’

In the waning days of 2015, renowned televangelist Kenneth Copeland laid out exactly why he needs a luxury private jet to do his job: you can’t “talk to God” while riding commercial.

Criticized at the time for his use of extravagant planes, Copeland argued travel for his work would be difficult, nay, impossible without them. The Texas-based preacher invoked his mentor, prosperity gospel preacher Oral Roberts, who Copeland said faced unsolicited requests for prayer when he flew on public airliners, “agitating his spirit.”

“You can’t manage that today, in this dope-filled world, get in a long tube with a bunch of demons,” Copeland told fellow televangelist Jesse Duplantis, who’s faced similar backlash for asking his followers to bankroll a $54 million jet. “And it’s deadly.”

Copeland’s defense, viewed by millions and widely mocked at the time, did little to help his case. Many figured the “demons” he spoke of were the same people he was asking for donations. The preacher was asked to clarify his remarks last month by “Inside Edition” reporter Lisa Guerrero, and the exchange has recently gone viral, reigniting conversations about televangelists and the tax-exempt status of churches.

Captured on video confronting Copeland as he got into a car, Guerrero pressed him repeatedly on his 2015 comments, at one point asking: “Do you really believe that humans are demons?”

“No I do not, and don’t you ever say I did,” Copeland responded, visibly perturbed. He added, “It’s a biblical thing, it’s a spiritual thing, it doesn’t have anything to do with people. People? I love people. Jesus loves people. But people get pushed in alcohol. Do you think that’s a good place for a preacher to be and prepare to preach?”

The questioning centered around Copeland’s Gulfstream V jet, which he announced he’d purchased from Tyler Perry in Jan. 2018. Declining to state how much he spent on the aircraft, which is one of three in his possession, Copeland said Perry made the plane “so cheap for me I couldn’t help but buy it.” He again asserted the plane was necessary for his work, which has sent him to nearly every continent and allowed him to spread his message to thousands of people.

“If I flew commercial, I’d have to stop 65 percent of what I’m doing, that’s the main reason,” he said.

Copeland said he was a “very wealthy man” and acknowledged using the private jets to travel to his vacation homes. Guerrero asked how he would respond to those who say preachers shouldn’t live so luxuriously.

“They’re wrong,” he replied “It’s a misunderstanding of the bible that … if you go into the old covenant, do you think the Jewish people believe you should be broke?”

Guerrero follows up: “Are you saying that Jewish people appreciate money more?”

“They believe in wealth,” Copeland said.

“Some people would find that offensive,” Guerrero responds.

“Wait a minute now, I’m not talking about some people,” Copeland explains, before mentioning the Abrahamic Blessing. “I’m talking about the bible.”

Nicole White and Pam Renouf #fundie cbc.ca

A same-sex couple from St. John's is upset after discovering the jewelry store that sold them their engagement rings has posted a sign that seems to oppose same-sex marriage — but one of the store's owners says he's allowed to post his religious beliefs.

When Nicole White and Pam Renouf went looking for engagement rings a few months ago, the pair couldn't find anything they liked. The couple was eventually referred to Today's Jewellers in the Mount Pearl area because the store offers custom-made rings.

White and Renouf visited the store and later gave specifications and a price range for potential rings.

"They were great to work with. They seemed to have no issues. They knew the two of us were a same-sex couple," White said.

"I referred some of my friends to them, just because I did get some good customer service and they had good prices."

That was before one friend went in to purchase a ring for his girlfriend — and instead found a distressing sign.

It reads: "The sanctity of marriage is under attack. Let's keep marriage between a man and a woman."

'It was really upsetting'

The friend took a picture of the poster, which made its way back to White.

"I had no idea about the sign up until that point," she said.

"It was really upsetting. Really sad, because we already had money down on [the rings], and they're displaying how much they are against gays, and how they think marriage should be between a man and a woman."

The couple went to the store the following day, and asked about the sign.

"They just said that that's their beliefs, and they think they can put up whatever they want. I just said it was very disrespectful, it's very unprofessional and I wanted a refund," White said.

"I have no issues with them believing in what they believe in. I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But I don't think they should put their personal beliefs inside their business."

White and Renouf hope to get a refund when the man who sold them the rings returns to town next month — but it's not guaranteed.

White said the rings were meant to be a symbol of love, but now the bands seem tainted.

"I think every time I look at that ring, I'll probably think of what we just went through," White said.

Esau Jardon, the co-owner of Today's Jewellers, said he posts several signs in his store throughout the year.

"I have been posting different aspects of my religious beliefs the last 11 years, and I've never had one single problem with any of my customers," he said.

"It seems to be a Canadian right to post what you believe."

Jardon said the sign in question was posted for Mother's Day, because it had to do with families. They also have pamphlets and cards that they hand out at the store as well.

Jardon said he's an immigrant, and feels blessed to live in Canada.

"One of the reasons my family chose to come to Canada was the freedom of rights," he said, noting the freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

"Nothing in that shop or in these posters is against the law... There's nothing there that means to discriminate or to hate anybody else."

Jardon said he won't apologize for his beliefs.

"I feel really bad that [White] feels that we would in any way try to hurt or discriminate against her, but we will not retract from what we believe. I cannot say, 'Well because you feel bad, I will stop believing what I believe,'" he said.

"When I walk on Church Street in Toronto, where I am right now, and I see [LGBT rainbow flags], and I see a lot of signs and a lot of things on public property, I don't have a problem with them. I accept it. I chose to come to Canada... and we accept the whole package... I don't discriminate against that, nor do I come and tell them to take them down. For the same reason, I ask to have the same respect in return, especially when it's in my own business."

Jardon said he's getting a big backlash from social media.

"I had to shut down the Facebook page because of so many hate emails and phone calls and just, really nasty stuff," he said.

When asked if he would offer a refund to the couple, Jardon said he won't be bullied into apologizing for his beliefs or to work for free.

He said the finished rings are ready to be picked up; White and Renouf just have to pay the balance.

Brian LeCrone #fundie quora.com

Your question is beautiful in its simplicity and in its profoundness. Let's change your question, for a moment, to "What, if anything, in the Bible can we believe as true?" Well, if we are to decide which passages in the Bible are true we must first have some sort of benchmark by which we can measure them.

We should not accept or deny any passage simply because it seems to us to be too incredulous or too desirable. (i.e. deny the 7 day creation or accept Jesus resurrection) That is not a benchmark. That is simply an emotion. We need a good source of credibility. So consider this: Is God, Himself, a good source of credibility? If God stood before you and gave you an answer would you believe it? My answer to that is "Yes."

Countless times in the Old Testament specific people relay to us what God has told them. But I assume that, for many readers today, these individuals lack credibility because there are no corroborating witnesses to verify that God actually said these things to them. So maybe we cannot trust the Old Testament to be true. Please read on.

The New Testament features God speaking to people in a very different form than in the Old Testament ... PERSONALLY, FACE TO FACE, as the man Jesus. God took the form of a human being to address man in a very direct manner. Why should we believe that this happened?

Because it was reported, not by one individual, as in the Old Testament, but by many, we can give the existence of Jesus credibility. The gospels of John, Mark, Mathew and Luke are independent verifications of Jesus' time on this Earth; as well as are the 13 books written by Paul. But why should we believe these guys? We should believe them because of how much they suffered for sticking to their stories.

You see, the Apostles all followed Jesus with fervor while things were going well. But, when Jesus was arrested, they all fled in fear of persecution. They abandoned Him. Even refusing to know Him when confronted. Not one of them attended His crucifixion or even his funeral. But 40 days later they were ALL back out in the public preaching His message. For the rest of their lives they continued preaching, against the threat of death by the Roman government. Each one of these men underwent excruciating torture and death rather than retract their testimony that Jesus rose from the dead or rather than stop preaching his message. To me, that is proof that Jesus did, in fact, raise from death and appear, as indicated, to over 500 people. If Jesus can do that He should be given some credibility in what He says. And, here is the kicker ... HE SAID THAT HE IS GOD.

So we have multiple credible eye witnesses, that all died rather than retract their statements, verifying that He raised from the dead. We have Him establishing to us that He is God. So I think we can believe anything He says. And most of what He says is verified by multiple reports from multiple men. But what about everything else in the Bible?

Well, let's look at the rest of the New Testament. Jesus told the 11 apostles (Judas was no longer with them) that He would put the Holy Spirit in them to guide them in their teachings. For me, that verifies the rest of the New Testament. What about the Old Testament?

Multiple times Jesus referred to Old Testament passages, verifying their truthfulness. I believe that this means all of the Old Testament is true.

So that is the LOGIC that I use to support my belief that every word in the original Bible manuscripts is true and infallible. But consider in the book of John, chapter 20 verse 29, when Jesus, after raising from the dead, stood before His apostle Thomas. Thomas couldn't believe that it was Him until Thomas put his finger into Jesus' wounds. Consider what Jesus then said to Thomas: "Is it because you have seen me that you have believed? How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!"

So I caution you to rely too heavily on logic and proof. Just search the word "faith" in an online Bible and see how much Jesus emphasizes the importance of faith over proof.

God Bless You.

Kevin Swanson & Dave Beuhner #fundie rightwingwatch.org

[re: Stark Trek: Into Darkness]

Swanson: Do I really want to take my kids to watch a movie that implicates the good guy in the film as mating with the wrong species- but not just one, but two.

Beuhner: Well you know I could understand that Christians would get upset if it was a male of a different species. No actually, I’m not sure that the bestiality and the homosexuality are really all that different. [Emphasis added]

Swanson: So uh Dave I said to myself we’re not gonna go see that movie. So, you know, you gotta draw the line somewhere don’t ya? I mean, ay yay yay. And how many Christians asked that question? I actually did a survey, I mean I went on to Google and kind of goggled, you know, Christian sites, I mean I try not to put the wrong kind of wording into the Google search, cause if you do that, you can be in a heap of trouble. So I did a little search, turns out there was a Catholic site, had a little forum discussion on the issue. And nobody brought up Leviticus 18 Dave, and of course the whole premise of this is that within an evolutionary construct there is no real problem with speciation and cross-species mating, there’s no problem with that at all, in fact that’s how you evolve, that’s how you get evolution, and so the end result of course is that evolution has no basic problem with bestiality or cross-species mating. Okay? Now some of you are saying that I can’t believe these guys are saying this on this radio program. I can’t believe I’m saying this either. They are going places where no man has gone before. Or should.

middo #fundie christianforums.com

A minister gave a speech on this recently and it was that that made me realise why i believed it. I believe the bible is Gods word because it says it is. I believe it is the ultimate truth etc because it says it is... I also believe the old testament to be the true inspired word of God because Jesus himself often quoted from many of the books... I believ the new testament to be inspired by God because Jesus said the spirit will lead us to all truth or something like that.

Billy Crone #fundie books.google.com

2 Corinthians 5:21 "God made Him (Jesus) who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him (Jesus) we might become the righteousness of God." In other words, we are "made righteous with God" through the righteousness of Jesus Christ. It's imputed to me which is an accounting term. It speaks of God's Divine Ledger. Basically, God took all my unrighteousness, my sin, and placed it on the cross with Christ, then He put that on His side of the ledger. Then He took the perfect righteousness of Christ, and He put it on my side of the ledger. Pretty cool deal, huh? Yeah! You ain't a joking! That's why I'm eternally secure in my salvation because it's not based on my righteousness, no way, it's based on the righteousness of Christ! My righteousness is as filthy rags! His righteousness is perfect, it's complete, it cannot fail. That's why God calls me a "hagios" a "saint" a "holy one" not because of me, are you kidding me, but because of the righteousness of Christ that's "imputed to me." He only sees me as He sees Jesus. Try telling that one to your spouse! It's usually a hard concept to get through to them Biblically, especially if you're arguing, but hey, it's true, deal with it. So, is that kind of righteousness Paul is talking about, that we are to clothe ourselves with, get completely immersed with in our daily battle with satan and demons? Well ...I still don't think so. I say that because the righteousness of Christ is something given to me and the breastplate of righteousness, as we read, is something I put on. One is a gift, the other I do. However, I will say this. I do believe that positional righteousness is something

that does come in handy in our daily struggles, when we fail to put on the breastplate of righteousness, like we should. One guy says this.

BENEFITS OF POSITIONAL RIGHTEOUSNESS

"I stand righteous before God because of Christ 's righteousness being imputed to my account. His righteousness will never fail. Regardless of the duration or intensity of the battle, the righteousness of Christ will prevail. Our positional righteousness is not a piece of armor we put on. The saved are clothed in the righteousness of Christ from the moment of salvation, and that never changes. However, we do enter battle bearing the righteousness of Christ. It never leaves us. That brings peace to my heart. I am often weak in the flesh and the enemy is strong. In the heat of battle, while we are prone to stumble and fall, Satan is never able to penetrate the righteousness of Christ. I have been adopted into the family of God. I am counted righteous because of Christ my Savior. I may lose the battle now and again, but His righteousness always prevails. This "imputed righteousness " is the very foundation of the Christian life. This righteousness allows us access to God It opens the door of Heaven to us. It protects us against the eternal fires of Hell. But, it does not protect us from the attacks of the enemy. On the contrary, since the devil knows that he can 't have us because we belong to Christ, he doubles his efforts to defeat us in an attempt to discredit the Savior, the Church, and the God of glory.

Satan comes at us and says, "Look at how you just exploded in anger! Look at how you lied to cover your tracks ! Look at how you lusted after that girl! Some Christian you are! " How do you answer him if his charges are true? You answer by applying Christ 's imputed righteousness: "You are right, Satan, I did just sin. But my eternal life does not depend on my sinless behavior or perfect track record. I am trusting in the blood of Jesus Christ and His righteousness credited to my account. Take it up with Him!"

dunamis #fundie dreamsofdunamis.wordpress.com

Demons can try to insert their own thoughts into your mind. (Read this to see an example of this happening between me and my husband: https://dreamsofdunamis.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/this-is-satan-attacking-us/ ) They can whisper into your ear and then reach your mind, and they can make it sound like they are your own thoughts, but they are not. You do not have to accept them as your own! Whenever you get hit with those thoughts, rebuke the demons by say out loud that they are not yours, they are satan’s, and you then cast out those demons in the name of Jesus. Say some scripture out loud as well. (Scripture causes the demons to curl up in pain, and they are then quicker to be removed.) If you are with people, then whisper it under your breath. You do not need to yell with the demons, they hear whispers just as clear as they do a regular voice. (Yelling would be counter productive, for they would then know you are upset, and they like you being upset.) You do however, need to be firm, for they can sense when one does not believe in what they are saying and claiming. FAITH! If they keep pestering you, call out for Jesus and ask Him to surround you with His angels, and to fight your battles in the unseen world. Keep doing this until you get relief. Blood-bought believers in Jesus Christ have the legal right to cast out such thought attack demons (as well as their seeds of thoughts,) in the name of Jesus. The demons MUST go! The bible refers to attacks as “the fiery darts of the wicked one.” (Ephesians 6:16 “above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.”) Some people have found it helpful to speak in tongues, to stop such thoughts in progress. (All believers can speak in tongues. We may not understand it, but God certainly does!) It has also been a benefit to some, to bless ones’self with blessed olive oil, while casting out any thought demons in the name of Jesus.

As far as your Business, I do not know what it is or what it does so I can not say. Is it against the word of God somehow? (A tattoo parlor, for example, would be against God’s word.) One thing to keep in mind, is that you might want to go through your business just as if it was your home, and clear it out of all cursed items. (See https://dreamsofdunamis.wordpress.com/seeking-deliverance/ for the links on how to bless the land and cleanse the home.) It sounds like the boundaries between the demons and you need to be strengthened. When we blessed our land with the new wine and blessed olive oil, we found that the demons could no longer get in to where we were to attack us. Blessing your place of work and of home and the land around them, as well as getting rid of any cursed items, should help.

ghostdude #fundie infoceptor.com

Friends, Atheists, Countrymen: Lend me your ears.
Well, Dr Pangloss, I don't blame your church members for scowling as you come by. Anyone who treats fairy tells and the Koran like the Bible deserves ATLEAST a scowl. I'm 15, so I admit, I don't really know that much. But I do know that the Bible is true, and that every word of it was inspired by God. Every. Single. Word. THe Bible also says that the ONLY way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. That means there is only one. Jesus Himself talked about Hell. How can you believe anything the Bible says and not believe that. The Bible said that anyone who preaches anything other than what it says is a false prophet. It definitely sounds like you are preaching something different. You said that you read the Koran and the Nag Hammadi texts. Well, the Bible says that Jesus is the only son of God. But the Koran says that Jesus was just a prophet. Obviously one of them is wrong. About the other things you spoke of, I don't even know what the nag hammadi texts are, so I can't say anything about them. In closing, I would like to say that it doesn't matter what you read, or what you believe, or if you think ther'e a Hell or not. There is a Hell, There is a God, and He sent His only son to die for us. If you don't accept that, will rot in Hell. This may seem close minded to some, but it's the truth, whether you want to believe it or not.

Buzzardhut #fundie rr-bb.com

[ Originally Posted by Mandy_Bride
...I don't believe it.

I'm sorry. I've grown and learned and thought and prayed, and I have come to reject the belief that there is a lake of fire somewhere below the ground where souls will be kept in pain and torment forever in the company of Satan and his demons.]

What you think and believe is not as important when compared to what the Bible says
Humans don't call the shots; it's God's plan and we don't have a vote on it.
Occasional sin can blind us of God's perspective.

CodyFaith #fundie christianforums.com

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


What is a more powerful delusion in these days than the theory of evolution, the age of the earth, and all things that stemmed forth from these theories to create the current secular ways of thinking?

Scripture says in the end times there will be a strong delusion sent by God purposely so that unbelievers and unrighteous people will believe a lie.

Now I don't believe evolution and such are all that will be put forth. There will be more to come that will be added to those theories. I also don't believe it's saying that all who believe in the current theories put forth are damned - no, I see it as saying that the final theory will be put forth will be a "believe or don't" type of thing, aligning with most likely the mark of the beast and things of that nature.

I don't see how evolution and age of the earth and other like-minded theories cannot be a part of it really. They're too powerful, too well-known, too believed.

It seems as though there will be final separation. Those who believe the lie, the goats, and those who believe the truth, the sheep. And it appears evolution is a big factor in this separation.

Thoughts?

Theresa #fundie christianblogs.christianet.com

(OP asked if their friend's chronic digestive problems were demonic in nature. Most replies dismissed the idea as superstitious and/or silly. Theresa, however, did not.)\

I have been burping for 13 years non stop except when I go to sleep. I tried everything even got my gallbladder out. Last night in the name of Jesus I casted out the burping demon and have not burped since. So yes there is a burping demon and you can cast it out in the name of Jesus it is a shame as a Christian it took me 13 years to cast it out. Jesus gave us the authority we just have to believe him and do it.

(Cassie too believes in the "burping demon.")

Yes there are burp demons no lie... Have them say the prayer for devine mercy at an adoration chapel then Jesus is the Son of God! Under God's athority ask the demon to tell you its name then strongly command it to come out with GOD's power- but the chapel is most helpful the actual presence of God is in there! As I recall hearing on the EWTN channel the Devine Mercy Prayer Chaplet is said every weekday at 3:00, Lord Jesus Christ's death. It is not a laughing matter do not be fooled it is out to damage . Prayers sent! God have mercy on us all! You may need to try this for a while and lay hands on a Bible or u can in private! God Bless them and you!do not talk to it more than its name and avoid its voices listening to them imitating angels ect.,

bekah #fundie panheads.org

It makes sense- We had this guy in our school last year talking about creation/evolution and apparently most dinosaurs were vegetarians, not the man-eating monsters they're made out to be! Dinos and humans could very well have co-inhabitaed the earth... Another thing to say is that saying to someone who believes in evolution that you don't believe it because the Bible says so, while being very true, simply will make you look as closed-minded as them. There are soooo many things which logically don't add up in the theory of evolution that it would be muchmore effective to quote them! For example, steam from volcanoes condensing to cover 70% of the earth's surface....?

Doug Bristow #fundie disqus.com

William of Glynn:
My spouse and I are fortunate to belong to a welcoming church that has married plenty of same-sex couples, as well as interracial opposite-sex couples

Doug Bristow:
Your church is not a Christian Church. Those who condone sin are as guilty as those who participate in that sin.

Colin Rafferty:
Different Christian churches have different doctrine. Some Christian churches do not see that as a sin.
Just as some churches believe that they are literally eating Christ's flesh every Sunday. And others that don't. Yet we would call each of them Christian.

Doug Bristow:
It matters not what man says or thinks. It only matters what God says and thinks. It is up to us to come and agree with Him. Not the other way around.

Paul Craig Roberts #conspiracy english.pravda.ru

The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists' office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people.

Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car. Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalism of the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

It is a plausible inference that the ID left behind in the getaway car was the ID of the two Kouachi brothers, convenient patsies, later killed by police, and from whom we will never hear anything, and not the ID of the professionals who attacked Charlie Hebdo. An important fact that supports this inference is the report that the third suspect in the attack, Hamyd Mourad, the alleged driver of the getaway car, when seeing his name circulating on social media as a suspect realized the danger he was in and quickly turned himself into the police for protection against being murdered by security forces as a terrorist.

Hamyd Mourad says he has an iron-clad alibi. If so, this makes him the despoiler of a false flag attack. Authorities will have to say that despite being wrong about Mourad, they were right about the Kouachi brothers. Alternatively, Mourad could be coerced or tortured into some sort of confession that supports the official story.

The American and European media have ignored the fact that Mourad turned himself in for protection from being killed as a terrorist as he has an alibi. I googled Hamid Mourad and all I found (January 12) was the main US and European media reporting that the third suspect had turned himself in. The reason for his surrender was left out of the reports. The news was reported in a way that gave credence to the accusation that the suspect who turned himself in was part of the attack on Charlie Hebdo. Not a single US mainstream media source reported that the alleged suspect turned himself in because he has an ironclad alibi.

Some media merely reported Mourad's surrender in a headline with no coverage in the report. The list that I googled includes the Washington Post (January 7 by Griff Witte and Anthony Faiola); Die Welt (Germany) "One suspect has turned himself in to police in connection with Wednesday's massacre at the offices of Parisian satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo;" ABC News (January 7) "Youngest suspect in Charlie Hebdo Attack turns himself in;" CNN (January 8) "Citing sources, the Agence France Presse news agency reported that an 18-year-old suspect in the attack had surrendered to police."

Another puzzle in the official story that remains unreported by the presstitute media is the alleged suicide of a high ranking member of the French Judicial Police who had an important role in the Charlie Hebdo investigation. For unknown reasons, Helric Fredou, a police official involved in the most important investigation of a lifetime, decided to kill himself in his police office on January 7 or January 8 (both dates are reported in the foreign media) in the middle of the night while writing his report on his investigation. A google search as of 6pm EST January 13 turns up no mainstream US media report of this event. The alternative media reports it, as do some UK newspapers, but without suspicion or mention whether his report has disappeared. The official story is that Fredou was suffering from "depression" and "burnout," but no evidence is provided. Depression and burnout are the standard explanations of mysterious deaths that have unsettling implications.

Once again we see the US print and TV media serving as a ministry of propaganda for Washington. In place of investigation, the media repeats the government's implausible story.

It behoves us all to think. Why would Muslims be more outraged by cartoons in a Paris magazine than by hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by Washington and its French and NATO vassals in seven countries during the past 14 years?

If Muslims wanted to make a point of the cartoons, why not bring a hate crime charge or lawsuit? Imagine what would happen to a European magazine that dared to satirize Jews in the way Charlie Hebdo satirized Muslims. Indeed, in Europe people are imprisoned for investigating the holocaust without entirely confirming every aspect of it.

If a Muslim lawsuit was deep-sixed by French authorities, the Muslims would have made their point. Killing people merely contributes to the demonization of Muslims, a result that only serves Washington's wars against Muslim countries.

If Muslims are responsible for the attack on Charlie Hebdo, what Muslim goal did they achieve? None whatsoever. Indeed, the attack attributed to Muslims has ended French and European sympathy and support for Palestine and European opposition to more US wars against Muslims. Just recently France had voted in the UN with Palestine against the US-Israeli position. This assertion of an independent French foreign policy was reinforced by the recent statement by the President of France that the economic sanctions against Russia should be terminated.

Clearly, France was showing too much foreign policy independence. The attack on Charlie Hebdo serves to cow France and place France back under Washington's thumb.

Some will contend that Muslims are sufficiently stupid to shoot themselves in the head in this way. But how do we reconcile such alleged stupidity with the alleged Muslim 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo professional attacks?

If we believe the official story, the 9/11 attack on the US shows that 19 Muslims, largely Saudis, without any government or intelligence service support, outwitted not only all 16 US intelligence agencies, the National Security Council, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives in high positions throughout the US government, and airport security, but also the intelligence services of NATO and Israel's Mossad. How can such intelligent and capable people, who delivered the most humiliating blow in world history to an alleged Superpower with no difficulty whatsoever despite giving every indication of their intentions, possibly be so stupid as to shoot themselves in the head when they could have thrown France into turmoil with a mere lawsuit?

The Charlie Hebdo story simply doesn't wash. If you believe it, you are no match for a Muslim.

Some who think that they are experts will say that a false flag attack in France would be impossible without the cooperation of French intelligence. To this I say that it is practically a certainty that the CIA has more control over French intelligence than does the President of France. Operation Gladio proves this. The largest part of the government of Italy was ignorant of the bombings conducted by the CIA and Italian Intelligence against European women and children and blamed on communists in order to diminish the communist vote in elections.

Americans are a pitifully misinformed people. All of history is a history of false flag operations. Yet Americans dismiss such proven operations as "conspiracy theories," which merely proves that government has successfully brainwashed insouciant Americans and deprived them of the ability to recognize the truth.

Americans are the foremost among the captive nations.

Who will liberate them?

ShieldOFaith #fundie foru.ms

"Trot, here is something to remember. 9/11 happened. You may not think that it did, but you'd be wrong.

As far as God making man out of the dust of the earth, and Eve made from Adam's rib; it is all true. Here is how we know this.

JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD!

Since that happened, then everything in the Word happened.

If you or anyone else does not believe that Jesus rose from the dead, then what you are saying is you don't believe the testimonies of the witnesses that saw Him rise from the dead.

Here is the problem. You are denying credible witnesses. It is just like me saying, "I don't believe that the Twin Towers were blown up by terrorists." All the footage is a lie. I was not there and I did not see any terrorist do anything wrong. If the footage was even real, then I believe that it was the Canadian government that sent agents to fly those planes into those buildings.

How do we really know that there were 'terrorists' on those planes? I wasn't there, I didn't see any terrorists do anything that day. The flight manifests could have been doctored very easily. The film itself could have been doctored. I wasn't there, so how do I really know that the Twin Towers were destroyed by terrorists??? How?

You say you have 'Eye witnesses'? Jesus had thousands of 'Eye witnesses' to His miracles!!!

You are calling the 'Eye witnesses' of Jesus' miracles liars. I can call the so called 9/11 wittinesses liars. How do I really know that someone who says that they were there, was really there? I'm going to just believe JoJo the street peddler who says he was selling watches two buildings away from the Towers when they went up in smoke?

See, it is real easy to smear doubt on anything.

You say the Bible has no proof? You have the same "proof" of 9/11 as Christ has for raising from the dead. Witnesses! Real people who say something and are telling of what they saw.

Now remember this: I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY 9/11 WITNESS BEING CRUCIFIED UPSIDE DOWN FOR THEIR TESTIMONIES (remember St. Peter?).

You have to base your disbelief on FAITH that you believe that they are liars!!!!

Face it my friend, JESUS CHRIST rose from the dead and that is a wonderful thing!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!"

Christopher Jethro #fundie godrevelations.com

My spiritual journey started off as one on a path of darkness and deception to a path of light and truth. The Lord has not only delivered from the demonic bondage of an occult past and heretical theology, but has also allowed me to experience Him in life-changing beautiful ways I never imagined were possible.

I remember first learning about God when I was in Kindergarten when I had asked my mother where the world came from and was told that many people believe that God created the world. I pondered on that thought for an entire day and felt confident that seemed logical. I was curious about where God came from, what God was like, and why He seemed so silent, but the theological answers to those questions were beyond the capacity of a child.

I was somewhat intrigued about God for a brief time, but what started as a positive spiritual course quickly went far into the completely opposite direction. I don’t remember how it all started, but I quickly came under a very dark influence and was completely intrigued by the idea of Satan being my father. Indeed, I became a child-Satanist. I truly believed and so verbally confessed that Satan was my true father and that I was a son of Satan. I would, in fact, often pray to demons to enter me to give me power. I was obsessed with the idea of having power, being feared, and controlling others, and believed I could obtain that by from demons.

I asked the demons in, and they came in. I became filled with terrible profanity and developed sexual and demonic obsessions. I spent large portions of my time daydreaming about perverse sexual fantasies (such that you would never imagine a child could have) and also constant fantasies regarding all the power of Satan awaiting me. At times, the demons in me would manifest. During those moments, they would fill me a demonic hatred for a person which would sometimes result in a burst of violence. For instance, in the third grade when I got mad at another child, I grabbed him by the throat and completely lifted him off the ground – his feet were dangling as I choked him with a single hand and his classmates beat on me to let him go. This is not possible in the natural for a child to have such strength to lift another child off of the ground completely with one hand. Just before it happened, I felt the surge of a demon giving me demonic strength and filling me with incredible hatred.

In addition to demonic strength, Satan gave me two other occult abilities. There was a particular instance at a restaurant where I conjured up a flame. My brothers kept teasing me when I explained what I was doing, but after several minutes of internal focus that flame shot up in the air. This was at a large family gathering – everyone saw it and was completely shocked. To this day, this event has been brought up again and again by my family members who saw it.

The other occult ability was the ability to speak in a demonic tongue. Almost every day, usually for 20 minutes, I would pace back and forth as I prayed in a demonic tongue. Absolutely no one had told me what “tongues” were – I had never heard the concept in any religion. I didn’t even fully understand it myself, but the ability to do so was given to me, and I was strangely compelled to pray in this demonic tongue daily. The words of this language sounded dark and twisted, and as I prayed in this demonic tongue, it filled me with a dark spiritual energy.

I never showed them to anybody, but I often drew pictures of evil demons and of people being tormented in Hell in terribly morbid ways. Rarely, I would also receive dreams from a demon. These were no ordinary dreams, nor any self-imagined nightmare, for they had a very strong unholy spiritual presence to them. In the same way people can receive dreams from God, the devil can give people dreams as well. These dreams would try to pull me deeper into the occult by planting some sort of dark desire inside of me. Usually these dreams were about the choice between being a vampire or a shapeshifter, but also a strong pull to commit a particular sin. (This may be very hard to believe for those ignorant of the occult realm, but real Satanists when they reach a certain rank, choose between becoming a vampire or a shapeshifter. These “fictional” concepts in the movies actually take their inspiration from the occult. While these are not entirely like their portrayal in the movies, high-ranking Satanists do have the extreme demonic power to become those things. Just as angels and demons can take on different forms, so too, when can they so possess a person’s body can use those same demonic powers to change the occultist’s body. Satan often pressed upon me which choice I would make if I kept on the path of Satanism.)

As a Satanist, I didn’t hate God, I simply rarely thought about Him – He seemed like a very distant figure. When I did think about God, I was filled with strong jealousy. Yes, sadly, I very jealously wanted to be God. I didn’t understand the Trinitarian view of Christ’s Deity, and so when I imagined Jesus, I imagined him as a weak man without real power and wanted nothing to do with Him.

I did not share this with anyone for a long time, but I had also developed homosexual attractions at this young age and actually engaged in homosexual practices. But since I was still incredibly lustful towards women, “bisexual” would be the correct term for my sexual orientation. I was not delivered of these gay tendencies until much later on, which I will get to later.

(...)

The next pinnacle spiritual event in my life that took place was a very unpleasant, yet completely necessary, event to deliver me from my dark past. As I explained earlier in my testimony, I was once a Satanist that invited many demons into my soul, to the point of having demonic abilities. But where had all of those demons gone? Due to my old Baptist background, I was always under the impression that Christians could not have demons. In fact, I feel embarrassed when I look back on the moments when I once assured other Christians that it’s impossible for believers to have demons. I know that may sound logical, but it’s actually not true. There are no Scriptures at all that state this, but since the Bible is not explicitly clear on the issue, many have just assumed it is not possible – an erroneous assumption indeed. The reasoning is that ‘light and darkness can’t mix, therefore the Holy Spirit and demons couldn’t possibly both live in the same body’. Despite this reasoning, the Bible doesn’t actually say that, and I was soon about to experientially discover this assumption was false.

I had come to realize that the many demons I invited in my soul had never really left me. It was not as though they just magically disappeared when I first received Christ in my heart. The reason I never felt them leave was because they never had left. Scripturally, demons have never left a person without being cast out. I wished it were not true, but I could absolutely feel evil spirits inside of me. They were basically in hiding for a long time, but at different times in the strong presence of God is when I could feel them surface because God’s presence had made them uncomfortable, squirmy, and/or angry. What I once wanted inside of me for power, I now desperately wanted out. In short, my pastor met with me regularly over a period of several weeks to lead me into renunciation prayers regarding my occult and sinful past, followed by commanding any demons associated with those things to leave.

Being something completely outside my control, demons would manifest as they came out. This experience was very unpleasant, to say the least. When the demons were commanded to come out, they would often manifest and fight for control for a brief moment. I was helplessly unable to stop them from manifesting – they would make me fall to the ground and shake my body, and they came out in very loud eerie screams and shrieks, sometimes deep growling as well. Although unpleasant and even a scary, I could feel the force of evil leaving me. The light of Christ was freeing me from my dark past.

Each deliverance session was different. (Among evangelical Christians, the word “deliverance” is used instead of “exorcism” to distinguish it from Catholic methods for casting out demons.) Many demons were easy to cast out, but some of them were stubborn. To be honest, I was very scared during some of these sessions. The experience of feeling demons inside you, manifesting your body without your control, and feeling them fight to stay inside of you is a very terrible experience, to say the least. It was common that afterwards I would feel extremely exhausted. This was probably the hardest thing I had went through in my Christian walk at that time. I had invited so many demons into me several years ago, and one by one they were now coming out.

Many people have asked me what I felt like afterwards. It’s difficult to describe, but it was basically like a spiritual “heaviness” that was always there now being permanently removed. Each demon that came out was like taking off a jacket I had worn for such a long time unknowingly. I felt “light”, free, cleansed, and spiritually rejuvenated. Additionally, many things I had dealt with all these years left me because they were caused by those demons. I used to have strange perverse dreams, random very difficult struggles with hate, and various health problems that all left after I was delivered from the demons. I didn’t realize just how much of my strange health problems were actually caused by demons. For example, I used to have strange experiences of feeling some sort of incredibly heavy weight of tiredness and brain fog pressed upon me that was very mentally oppressive – it was sort of like having the worst imaginable jet lag in the world. That went away of course when the demon that would cause it was rebuked.

Demons do in fact cause people to struggle with strong sinful drives and health problems until they are cast out. I thought these things were normal struggles of mine, but realized they were actually due to the demons all along. Although a terrible thing to go through, it was necessary, and consequently I experienced a freedom I never knew was possible. When all was said and done, I continued my spiritual journey in the Lord.

Blessed2B #fundie rr-bb.com

['<a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2005-10-26T120913Z_01_KNE617984_RTRUKOC_0_US-ALIENS.xml" target="_blank">Alien abductees prone to false memories says expert</a>']

People will believe anything as long as it comes out of the mouth of an 'expert'.

False Memories? Gimme a break!
Overactive imagination maybe, A spiritual encounter I would buy, but false memories? Nah...

Sir Les #fundie forums.cannabisculture.com

(A pothead gives his "insights" on the theory of evolution)

That is what I wrote from the magazine...Unknow!!!
And so...we continue...the facts presented to substanciate their claims are flawed...
And they have to change the time line...and so the past gets pushed back further...to what common ansestor?...what ansestor lived back that far?...not Ape!...as they claim by the new evedance from the magazine....they can only find a few fragments of unknowns....
And so..we are not from Ape!...like they claim.

Thus the facts, are no longer facts...they are in error...and they are rewritting their Bullshit!...already!!!

My bible..if I take the torra hasn't changed much...the old testement...and the new testement hasn't changed much either...if I take it from a time line stand point....Because God't truth is a constant....Truth has to be constant...for it to be always what it is,...Lies, errors, always have to be corrected!

You can debate that in your own mind!

WHat they are doing is offering you their claims of deduction, and reasoning...but they do not know for sure!
And you believe them...with out looking for yourself!

I believe in God the creator,,,because I saw,,,then I was taught, then I studied, and then I walked,,,Now I found...and I want to share that finding...but you don;t believe me....

So believe what ever you want.
I'm just going to say what you say...I don;t believe!
And when they make corrections...I'll say "see!"


Sir Les

Pastor Steven Anderson, Faithful Word Baptist Church #fundie rawstory.com

“Now obviously,” he continued, “before the service begins, there’s chatting and talking going on, that’s perfectly legitimate. When we all sing praises to God, of course the ladies should also lift up their voices.”

“But when it’s learning time,” Pastor Anderson said, hammering his lecturn, “it’s silence time.”

“So what it’s saying is that they,” the women, “are to learn in silence.” He then quoted 1 Corinthians 14 again, saying that “when the learning is going on, they are not permitted to speak. When the preaching of God’s word is taking place — and first of all, it’s not for a woman to be doing the preaching, and second of all, it’s not for women to be speaking.”

“Even the Bible’s really clear on this,” he said. “Even if they were to have a question, they’re not to ask that question in the church, number one. Number two, even if they want to ask that question to their husband, they should wait until they get home.”

“This is why I don’t believe women should say ‘amen’ during the preaching either. Because ‘amen’ means ‘truly’ or ‘verily’ … it basically means ‘that’s true.’ So when I’m preaching and I say something that you agree with and that you believe in, and you say ‘amen,’ you’re saying ‘that’s true.’”

“So here’s the thing,” Pastor Anderson concluded, “when I’m preaching, women should not express their opinion, even if it’s a positive opinion, even if she agrees with me.”

Mack Major #fundie edendecoded.com

My First Encounter with a Real Demon

I am a Christian. Being that align myself with Jesus Christ, I now know that I have power over all kinds of demonic spirits and other evil entities. But this was not always the case.

I struggled earlier in my Christian walk mostly because I was trapped in a state of ignorance. It was and still is difficult to find a church that will even honestly touch the subject of demons and how they gain access into our lives. And it's rarer still to find churches that make deliverance and the casting out of demons a priority. Except for the Catholic Church, not many within the Christian community want to touch this sort of subject matter.

Which is precisely why I decided to do so myself.

The night I gave my life to Jesus I had the most incredible experience. I was only 13 years old, but something inside of me shifted or changed. As I was walking around in my father's back yard under the evening light, five "men" who looked like guardian warriors suddenly appeared around me, dressed in some type of battle armor and shining like they had moonlight coming from their skin. My childhood fear of the dark left instantly and never returned. I somehow instinctively knew these 'men' were good and there to protect me.

My eyes became open to the spirit realm; and from that time onward I've had the ability to occasionally see or detect the presence of angels, and also to detect the presence of evil, unclean or demonic spirits. I can also detect people's thoughts and intentions at times. It's not something I can necessarily control: it just sort of happens when I'm in certain situations.

My very first encounter with a demon took place shortly after that. I want to say this before sharing what happened: actual demonic encounters are rare. What most people think is an encounter with a demon is really an encounter with an evil spirit, or with an unclean spirit. These are entirely different entities than a demonic spirit.

Demons (or devils as they are sometimes called) are old, ancient spirits that come from a different era in time than our own. They are meaner, darker and more powerful than other evil spirits are. When you're in the presence of a demon you'll know it, because you can feel the hair on the back of your neck stand up. You can feel its hatred, venom and evilness directed to you by its stare.

Even within the demonic realm there are different types of demons. They're not all the same. Jesus spoke for instance about 'this kind' of demon in Matthew 17:21. If there's a 'this kind' of demon, it stands to reason that there are other kinds as well. The experience I first had wasn't with an ordinary evil or an unclean spirit. I came face to face with an actual demonic entity.

One evening while I was asleep I had a dream-vision. When these happen they can be so powerful that I don't know if I'm asleep or awake. That's how real the experience is. I saw myself standing alone in a room that was shaped very squarely. It had four walls and from above a spotlight . Outside of the circle of light that I was stood in, the rest of the room was completely dark. But I had an eerie feeling that I wasn't alone.

As I scanned the darker areas of the room, my eyes eventually landed on what looked like two glowing red lights staring back at me. To my stark terror I realized they were eyes belonging to what I can only describe as a dark, hairy unearthly creature that resembled a large blackish wolf.

The best description I can offer is something like this:
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This is an image of an actual demon from Chinese culture called a yao guai. (Yao guai are a type of demon according to Chinese mythology that seek immortality by abducting and devouring a holy man.)

The moment I recognized it, this 'thing' ran from its corner of the room at full speed and attacked me. Standing on its hind legs like a man, it bit down on my forearm as I used it for a shield against this monster's teeth. I was absolutely terrified beyond measure. The fear was too real and palpable to describe in proper words. This demonic creature towered over me, and I quickly realized it was overpowering me. As I began to fall to the floor - where certain doom awaited me - from the core of my belly without a single involvement of my mind I shouted at the top of my lungs: "IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!"

As I did, supernatural strength welled up on the inside of me. Suddenly I had power to take that demonic being by its mouth, and I wrenched its lower jaw out of socket. It fell to the floor at my feet and did a most amazing thing: it shrank in size until it was no bigger than a small puppy, and it began shaking, crying and begging profusely for me to not harm it any further. It suddenly looked so pitiful and powerless to me, like a small wet dog, that I actually started feeling sorry for it. The name of Jesus Christ totally emasculated the thing!

As I came out of this dream-like experience, I was made aware of the power and might that stands behind the name of Jesus Christ. Demons are absolutely terrified of that Name and the power that it represents.

"When the seventy-two disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, "Lord, even the demons obey us when we use your name!" Luke 10:17

I've had multiple experiences with evil spiritual beings since that time - some that I'll probably share in the future, and some that I probably won't. In each encounter the Name and power of Jesus Christ proved superior to the power of darkness at work. It's my sincere hope that as you read this testimony and the ebooks I've provided for you; you too will become familiar with the power in the name of Jesus Christ. Truly there is no greater name carrying that level of power behind it on the planet!

"Now there were some itinerant Jewish exorcists who tried to invoke the name of Jesus Christ over those with evil spirits. They would say 'I bind you by Jesus, whom Paul proclaims.' Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. Eventually, one of the evil spirits answered them, 'Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but you, who are you?' Then the man with the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. The attack was so violent that they ran out the house, naked and wounded. This became known to all the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, and fear came over all of them. So the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor." Acts 19:13-17

There is POWER in the Name of Jesus!

We're living at a time as believers where we can no longer afford to ignore the reality of the evil side of the spiritual realm. Demons, evil spirits, jinn, ghosts, wicked spirits and other unclean types of spirit are REAL - whether we want them to be or not. Those things exist and are responsible for not only creating massive amounts of death and destruction in the world - they're also responsible for much of the trouble in your own life too. Jesus not only taught His disciples about demons; He showed them how to effectively deal with them. Now it's time for YOU to learn!

Colonel-Knight-Rider #sexist #pratt #wingnut #homophobia #transphobia #racist rottenwebsites.miraheze.org

1. Overall, FSTDT is similar to RationalWiki in that it's a left-leaning, mostly atheist and agnostic echo chamber where members more often act like petulant jerks who, by their own admission, love mocking and "calling out" people for saying things they don't like to hear instead of defeating others' arguments rationally. The key difference is that, unlike RW, FSTDT does not masquerade as an encyclopedia.
2. In 2014, a former 40-year atheist and blogger named Stan described the site as a place "…where Atheists and skeptics can have a safe harbor in which to ridicule that which they take out of context. Actually there is a link to context, but no one seems to have used it in my case. It's the sort of snake pit where the target du jour is countered with comments like "asshole", and the standard logic errors which they insist are the logical answers to the "idiot" they are trashing
3. The fact that many users choose to remain anonymous proves that they know what they're doing, while not illegal per se, is unethical enough that they don't want to get caught doing it, especially by the religious friends that many members claim to have in real life.
4. Their whole business model is flawed because, if there were no more writings they don’t like for them to quote on the Internet, the enterprise would lose its purpose and collapse.
5. Their arguments against whatever quotes they find are generally one-sided and full of logical fallacies, often as extremely ideologically biased towards the left as are those on RationalWiki or SJWiki, especially since quotes are taken out of context.
6. They tend to give tags to quotes that do not reflect the quote authors' original intentions, including giving the tag "#fundie" to quotes that have only minimal to no religious connotations. This makes it clear that they want their interpretations of anything they quote to be the only true and correct interpretations.
7. Although they aim to provide links to context for every one of their quotes, users don't seem to reference or pay attention to that context.
8. Many of their arguments amount to nothing more than argumentum ad hominems, or personal attacks, with childish insults and name-calling as well as lazy, unimaginative sex jokes solely to get a rise out of people.
This is often the case with their comments on many quotes under their tag "#dunning-krueger," which refers to people that they believe are "not nearly as smart as they think they are." It's another way of saying, "You're dumb because we said so!" and renders them guilty of the same sense of elitism that they condemn various quoting targets for showing.
The same principle applies to their tag "#pratt," an acronym for "Point Refuted A Thousand Times," which indicates a sense of laziness and unwillingness to have a civil debate and basically says, "We’re right, you're wrong, so shut up already."
9. The people running and/or contributing to it do a terrible job at sourcing for their quotes: many links to context are dead (happens a lot with links aged 10 years or older); image only; and unarchived social media posts that can be easily forged, deleted, or modified.
10. They hate U.S. President Donald Trump so much that they normally avoid saying "Trump" like the Bubonic Plague and do not offer any impartial criticism or say anything forgiving about him, believing that anyone who shows any sympathy or forgiveness towards him is a racist, neo-Nazi, or "wingnut" by association.
They like to whitewash originally well-intentioned but nowadays corrupt and violent groups such as Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and the feminist movement.
11. They deny that feminism in history has come in waves and that, in the recent past with third-wave feminism/feminazism, the feminist movement is now a shell of its former self. They even accuse anti-feminist women of being "hypocrites".
12. Anyone who does not support toxic modern feminism is automatically a "#sexist" in their eyes.
13. Anyone who does not support BLM's violent behavior is automatically a "#racist" in their eyes.
They mislabel people guilty of ethnic hatred or xenophobia as "racist" even though individual human races/skin colors are not one and the same as ethnicities or national identities.
14. Like many social justice warriors, they promote minority groups in ways that even minority groups themselves might find offensive. For example, they support LGBTQ2+ characters being inserted casually into entertainment regardless of quality or consequences, force everyone to accept them and condemn anyone who doesn’t accept them or care about their activism, and suggest that anyone who isn’t pro-LGBTQ2+ is automatically a homophobe. All of this essentially gives the LGBTQ2+ community in the real world a bad name.
15. They give credence to the idea that there are more than two genders.
16. As their Website's title implies, they have no qualms in using Christophobic (anti-Christian) language. For example, when discussing matters of Nazism and religion, they often go on screeds about how Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party were (allegedly) Christian. In reality, Hitler was staunchly opposed to mainstream Christianity, according to his Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and saw it as a branch of Judaism, which he of course hated even more. He thus invented the false religion of "positive Christianity" to deceive German Christians of the day into thinking that they were doing "God's work" by serving the führer.
17. Though one of their tags is "#moonbat" for quotes composed by "left-wing nutjobs," this tag is hardly ever used compared to "#wingnut" for quotes written by "right-wing nutjobs." This makes it even clearer that they are biased towards the left.
18. They like to present readers with crudely-made conclusions instead of letting the evidence speak for itself. This is more of an act of insecurity as they fear that people will not see things the way they do and expect every argument they make to be taken seriously.
19. Many of its members act toxically and intolerantly towards anyone who so much as disagrees with them.
Although they claim to have Christian users, hardly anyone ever comments on quotes to offer a Christian perspective nowadays.
20. They are extremely pro-social justice: they are primarily interested in attempting to correct people and being right, aggressively attacking all who disagree. They claim that this is for their own self-amusement when they write like they would establish dictatorial control over what people say on the Internet if they could, believing that what they do to their targets is somehow "needed". They admit that the only reason they support free speech is so they can have something to attack!
21. It underwent a major revamp in 2019, but its basic, blocky, blandly-colored aesthetics without any modern graphics or features make it look like it's from the late 1990s-early 2000s era.
22. That said, it suffers from a poor Website design overall because it lacks many features and technical conveniences that would be normally present on a message board. For example:
- There is no menu to select how many quotes/comments can be viewed per page, including in search results.
- Search engine filters/results sorters are not always as accurate as they could be.
- The search engine only works with finding quotes, not comments; nor does it list the number of results per search query.
- Sometimes, the last page of a search results list, for whatever reason, turns up completely blank.
- There is no option to report comments (probably intentional, given how the site encourages people to be mean-spirited).
- User pages are nothing more than lists of quotes users have found and comments they've made (probably to preserve their anonymity).
23. Its painfully unprofessional and outright immature logo features a "sexy flying Jesus penis," a crudely-photoshopped devil version of pop singer/songwriter Taylor Swift practicing martial arts, devils in flying saucers, a reptilian alien-type creature with devil horns, a NyQuil bottle with devil horns surrounded by fire, and what appears to be a Biblical leviathan in a bathtub (in reference to one of their more popular and infamous quotes from 2009) eating fast food from McDonald's.
24. If anyone dares to object to the 2020 Coronavirus quarantine or criticizes how governments handle it or how the media misrepresents data and statistics surrounding it, FSTDT will surely go on a witch hunt after them.
25. They do not take responsibility for their actions: they blame others for getting themselves quoted by FSTDT, even if they realize that they have the power and the choice not to quote people they don't like and not to let silly things people write online offend them so much. Moreover, no self-respecting FSTDT user will ever admit to SJW-type behavior.
Likewise, in their FAQ section under "But You're Defaming Me!" they try to rationalize their efforts to defame people by arguing that their targets are sabotaging themselves, not considering the possibility that the quotes they find might have different intended meanings than what they read.
26. When people on other Websites criticize or counter-mock them, they do not usually take the criticism or counter-mockery well.

johnbrown1618 #fundie faithfreedom.org

Demons are most definitely real. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't watched enough TV programs about it. There are numerous cases of families being tormented by demons. These are ordinary families who have no reason to make up such stories. How would that benefit them when people like the flying pig guy will mock them? It is usually discovered later that some kind of Satanic cult had been at work in that location previously. Sometimes they find the actual thing that was used as the portal between the demon world and the earth, like a well or some kind of pit. I saw one story where it was a well back in the woods behind the house. The guy went back there and the demon appeared and he got possessed by it and had to get it excorcised out. Another case involved a deep shaft that was found in the basement of a building and they found that satanists had been doing demon summoning rituals down there in the past.
If you don't believe demons exist, you're just very ill-informed or you don't have sufficiently good judgment to tell when the evidence is overwhelming. It is not at all difficult to summon demons using magical spells, and then it is very hard to get rid of them. Think about it, if demon summoning never worked why would there be books about how to do it and why would those beliefs have persisted over the centuries? Somebody would have noticed that it never actually worked and people would stop even attempting it.
Look at this forum post I just found;

"This is my first time posting but a couple of years ago i bought a new house. It had heavy "malevolent" manifestation problems. We found the problem... a portal in the basement and sealed it. All ended until recently. A black mist now seeps around my basement and the portal is open. I fear that i can not protect my family. Please someone help me close this portal." http://www.mysticalwonders.org/group/about1685.html

What about THAT?

Laura Jacobs #fundie quora.com

The Bible clearly states of those who do not believe what it says, Satan has blinded their eyes and muted their hearing (2 Corinthians 4:3-5). Meanwhile, these non-believers brag and make light of the fact that they look forward to going to Hell, where they will enjoy their works of evil without the righteousness of God hovering over them.

The reality is that none of us will ever escape the righteousness of God. The psalmist wrote:

Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. — Psalm 139:7-8

While we cannot escape the righteous judgment of God, it is also true that God, in His mercy and grace, wants to impart His righteousness through salvation to all people.

Yet there are those who refuse such a gift.

So why do people want to close their eyes to the idea of Hell when the world is talking, blogging, and writing about a literal place that intrigues and inflames such passion? Hell is not an idea, a figment of the imagination, or the setting for a horror movie. It is the hideous reality that awaits those who refuse to let God come into their lives and make them new creations, filled with His forgiveness and love.

Please hear this truth: you will not escape God’s righteousness by going to Hell.

Consider this: Multitudes do not flinch when they condemn to Hell people such as Saudi Arabia’s Osama bin Laden, Germany’s Adolf Hitler, or Cambodia’s Pol Pot; or notorious Americans, such as Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy. Their accusers do not hesitate to suggest that certain people who have “stepped over the line” of what they consider evil will land in Hell when life on earth is over. In the next breath, however, many will say, “I do not believe that God would send good people to Hell.”

Herein lies the problem — we see ourselves as good and refuse to see that we, too, harbor wickedness within. As the Bible says,

The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? — Jeremiah 17:9

And further:

From within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wicked- ness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man. — Mark 7:21-23

You see, God does not play favorites. The sin of pride is in the same sentence as the sin of murder.

Where do you fit in? Are you like the rich young ruler who declared to Jesus that he had lived a perfect life? Or perhaps you feel only certain sins merit Hell. It does not really matter how we think of it; the truth of the Bible is what matters. And God’s Word proclaims that all people are sinners. God — not man — has set the standard, and we all fall short.

The bloggers I mentioned earlier stated emphatically that no murderer should go to Heaven. The Bible says,

The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful [people], and be crucified, and the third day rise again. — Luke 24:7

Who are these sinful people? You and me. Our sins nailed Jesus Christ to the cross, and we have His blood on our hands. But God wants the blood of His Son to cover the sin in our hearts. This is why He came. Jesus looked down on mankind and said,

“I love you with an everlasting love; repent of your sin and follow Me that where I am going you may also go.”

Many people teach today that the blood of Jesus covers all sin, regardless of whether the sinner repents or not. This is Satan’s great lie. Some believe they will automatically walk into Heaven when this earthly life is over because God is love. That would negate the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Don’t be deceived, for God is not mocked. God is also a God of justice and righteousness.

He is not preparing a place in Heaven for unrepentant sinners.

While we have contributed nothing to God’s free gift of salvation, there is a condition to possessing it — we must confess our sin, turn from it, and receive Christ on His terms.

This truth is repulsive to many. The pride that flaunts our self-proclaimed innocence is the very evidence of our guilt. Continuing in rebellion against God, whether the sin be pride or murder, will send souls to Hell. Then there will be no turning back, no second chances. There is no afterthought in the afterlife. Today is the time to decide where you will live forever — either Heaven or Hell. This may very well be an unpopular teaching, but popularity polls do not determine destiny for anyone.

What will be your eternal destination after this earthly life is over for you? Are you going to Heaven — or to Hell? This is the most important question you will ever face.

I pray you will answer it honestly and that you will know the reason behind it. If you say that you will go to Heaven because you are good, the Bible says,

There is none who does good, no, not one. — Romans 3:12

So if no one is good and Heaven is filled with only the righteous, who will be there? The answer is found in salvation — for God desires that all people be saved. Those who repent of sin against God, receive His forgiveness, and live in obedience to Him, God sees through the righteousness of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is preparing a place in Heaven for those who belong to Him. This is the goodness of Heaven.

The doom of Hell was not intended for human beings. God created us for fellowship with Him, though many have turned their backs on Him. Hell was created for the devil and his demons, and Satan wants to take the world with him into this diabolical place.

Don’t think for one minute that Hell will be the “hottest” happy hour of all.

The world wonders about Hell every day. It is one of the most daunting and repeated topics seen in art, read in literature, debated among educators, and heard in music.

One blog took on the subject of Heaven and Hell. As people weighed in, the discussion became a vicious cycle. Finally one commenter frantically typed in, “Could someone please explain how to avoid Hell?”

Another asked, “How do you spell Hell?”
The flippant reply was, “Hoping Evil Lives Long.”
But the Bible spells it this way: Hopelessly Everlasting, Literally Loveless.

You may be thinking, Billy, surely you do not believe all of this Hellfire and brimstone! My dear friends, it is not what I say that counts; it is what the Word of God says. Jesus spoke more about Hell than Heaven. Why? Because of His great compassion for souls. He gave His life to spare you the agony, torment, and gruesome reality that Hell is reserved for those who reject Christ.

I can tell you this: not one word about Hell in the Bible would ever make you want to go there. And no one who understands the peace of Heaven would ever want to end up anywhere else. As Scripture puts it,

He who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame. — 1 Peter 2:6

The world is talking about eternity. It is high time that the true church of Jesus Christ declares to the world the promises God gives in His Word on how to get to Heaven and how to avoid Hell.

The alternative to Hell is the glorious joy that awaits those who will follow Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world, to His heavenly home.

Jesus prayed,

Father, I desire that they also… be with Me where I am. — John 17:24

Patriotwolf #fundie boards.gamefaqs.com

We are not talking about your interpretation of Genesis or your devotion to God.

[Oh, but we are. You're saying that I'm not a Christian, but an agnostic, if I accept the Theory of Evolution and everything else that usually goes with it in the scientific consensus. You're yet to tell me how that makes me not a Christian, as I believe I have fulfilled the criteria that actually matters.....]

Saying you truly believe God exists but also truly believe Evolution is completely real is a logical fallacy and hypocritical. You are just trying to please the other side and save you beliefs.

The Bible talks about evolution and says that people that believe in it are fools. Does that meet your criteria?

yguy #fundie freethought-forum.com

No, I'm saying that while some degree of dogmatism is a possible component of belief in a truth like intelligent design, it is a necessary component of belief in a lie such as human evolution.

Ask your stereotypical fundy why he thinks homosexuality is wrong, and he'll say, "Because the Bible says so." Ask him why he thinks the Bible is the final authority on moral issues, and he's stuck for an answer.

Ask the stereotypical evolutionist why he believes humans evolved from other primates, and eventually he'll end up citing "scientific consensus". Ask him what makes that authoritative, and he changes the subject.

What it boils down to is that people who believe lies, or who believe the truth for the wrong reason, can't think for themselves.

sbtgf #fundie rr-bb.com

[Fundies have been talking about the Charlie Charlie game]

I was telling a coworker the other day about this very issue. As I was explaining to her how the challenge worked , she looked at me and said "well did they summon anything ?" Then she goes on to answer herself, "Of course not". You see many of these kids have parents who don't believe in demons who think on an empirical level that this is all hysteria and nonsense. I tried to tell her that this was real but I could tell she was skeptical. So the devil wins twice.... That is truly frightening. We have lots to pray for in this day and time.

Comforter #fundie waroftheangels.org

[A conversation that would supposedly happen between an exorsist and a possessed person]

Demon: I'm not coming out...
Exorcist: What are your legal grounds?
Demon: I don't have to tell you anything...
Exorcist: Yes you do, I command you to tell me what your legal grounds are in Jesus' name.
Demon: Stop saying that name...
Exorcist: Tell me in Jesus' name...
Demon: Shut up
Exorcist: The Lord Jesus rebukes you...now tell me your legal grounds
Demon: all right, all right, just stop saying that name...I've been in his family for 6 generations...his ancestors were lazy and I've kept them lazy for 6 generations
Exorcist: Well, I break the curse of laziness going back 10 generations on both sides of his family in Jesus' name
Demon: Nooooooooooo!!!!!! You can't do that...I've worked so hard...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! (lunges at exorcist while cursing and gritting his teeth...eyes are bloodshot and bulging)
Exorcist: I BIND YOU IN JESUS' NAME...You don't have permission to move a muscle...I break every curse of laziness on both sides of his family going back 10 generations in Jesus' name.
Demon: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!! NOOOOO!!!! We're going to kill him first and then you!!!!
Exorcist: No you aren't, I cancel those plans in Jesus' name. Now make your way to where the Lord Jesus is commanding you to go.
Demon: NO, I refuse!!!
Exorcist: Okay, angels, show this demon who's boss. Let's sprinkle the blood of Jesus on all his family lines in both directions...through his ancestors and his descendants. Let's also clear up the lines of his siblings and their descendants.
Demon: NOOOOOOOOOO!!! You can't...I can't believe you did that...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...
Exorcist: For good measure, let's hit slothfulness as well in Jesus' name
Demon: You *@@#%*!!!! (attempts to lunge at exorcist again but stops cold in his tracks as the Holy Spirit is holding him in place) You are so lucky those angels are holding me...grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Exorcist: Enough with your nonsense, it's time to go...I loose the consuming fire of the Holy Spirit to consume you.
Demon: NOOOOOOO!!!!! AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!! (Demon leaves, victim slouches in the chair or onto the floor totally limp)
Exorcist: Father, I ask that you now restore this person and reverse the effects of the sin in his life.
Victim: What just happened?
Exorcist: How do you feel?
Victim: I feel so light...like a weight got lifted off of me...wow...I feel free...
Exorcist: (with a smile on his face) That's because you are...Praise the Lord!

As you can see from this dialog, its not mental illness. This is an intelligent conversation and with something that believes it has a right to maintain residence within the victim.

Bryan Fischer #fundie rightwingwatch.org

Allah is an extremely powerful demon. He is a demon God. What Muslims are worshiping is actually a demon. They think they are worshiping God, they’re deceived, they’ve been fooled, so I don’t want to be hard on them, the Muslims have been fooled, they’ve been lied to, they’ve been deceived, they think they are worshiping the true God but they are worshiping a demon-god, this is according to the New Testament. You may disagree with me but there is no question that this is what Christianity teaches. So it’s fine if you take a different view, that’s fine, you’re entitled to your view, this is America; we have freedom of speech and freedom of thought. But from a Christian stand point, from a New Testament stand point, there’s no question that Muslims are worshiping a demon. Allah is a demon God. Remember Jesus himself believed in the existence of Satan, he took Satan very seriously, Satan is a very real being according to the New Testament, he’s out there, not some kind of shadowy, vague, powerless figure but he is the dark ‘prince of the power of the air,’ as the New Testament describes him, so that’s who Muslims are worshiping.

Bride of Christ #fundie rr-bb.com

(I LOVE skulls on stuff!...well....cute skulls.

And It is NOT a death culture or anything like that... it is EMO....the response to the "eternal sparkle" and expectations of perfection set by preps, cheerleaders, Barbie, etc.

It is a way of saying: "You want me to be perfect like Barbie... but I can't be, so you make me miserable about it, so at least I'll be miserable with style.")

Skulls are not cute, and they should not be a popular trend amongst Christians. Period. That's like saying that you think demons are cute. Its the culture of death. Plain and simple. "EMO" is another trend that lumps in with this culture of death. To some its just cute, but there is a message, and that is, "Death. Kill Yourself! Hate yourself! Show the world that you aren't scared to die! Embrace death as beautiful!, etc. etc." Maybe I could be off base, but I am pretty sure the message is crystal clear.

Cute is ribbons, frilly dresses, a puppy, babies, etc. etc . Trend + skulls = cute (Hypothetical) Trend + demons = cute. Just doesn't make sense.

By the way, God does call us Christians to be set apart from this world. We can do that without dressing differently, though, I would encourage modest attire. The way you dress can reflect your self-respect.

David T #fundie thegreenarrow.co.uk

These days even a neutral point of view on homosexuality or racism gets you branded a homophobe and a racist. Only an enthusiastic endorsement of homosexuality and all it entails will do.

It must be asked- why are they so keen to promote homosexuality to other people's children?

I suspect that there are more homosexuals working in the higher echelons of government and media than there are in the general population. Do you really think say a Bible believing Christian who considers homosexual relationships to be sin would get recruited and promoted in such a pro-gay environment?

Lauren #fundie blogger.com

Actually I do believe that some people truly don't believe in God. I don't think they are lying to us when they say they don't believe.

The problem I find is most of the time they aren't willing to change their beliefs, and aren't open to perhaps being w..w...wrong.

cdevidal #fundie godlikeproductions.com

EvolutionVsGod.com has a free 38 minute film in which various evolutionists such as a PhD/associate college professor of Anthropology at UCLA, a PhD/professor of biological sciences and anthropology at USC, a PhD/professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at UCLA and PhD/associate professor of biology at Universiy of Minnesota Morris/famous blogger PZ Myers appear to be stumped by some challenging questions. It's an interesting movie and I recommend you check it out.

In observing responses to the movie, I saw lots of evolutionists mocking but I didn't see one person who answered the questions that apparently stumped the evolutionists. Accusations began to fly: The claim is that in his previous films, the evangelist had edited responses to questions to make the interviewees look bad. Thus the claim is that the stumped evolutionists in this film had simply been edited unfairly.

To which I replied, "OK, I'm sure we'll see a statement from PZ Myers soon explaining how he was misrepresented*, but what about you? Can you answer the questions?" The response often was, "What were the questions?"

Me: "I hadn't written them down so I didn't recall them. But you can see them again if you watch the movie."

Them: "No, I'm not watching that (blankety-blank)." (Which sounds dishonest, but I'll let that pass for now.)


* PZ Myers did claim he was misrepresented: [link to freethoughtblogs.com] But without substantiation. If he gave fuller answers during the interview, I'd like to see them, but he did not: [link to www.google.com (secure)]


So I promised to write down the questions from the film. And by the way, I don't pass any judgment on the quality of these questions. Maybe they're fallacious, and you can help demonstrate that. But before you answer, some simple rules to keep everyone honest.

RULES
* You must give a direct answer to every question or you've failed. Yes, some questions appear to be repeats but please answer them all as they are all slightly different.

* If you give an answer such as "It's not possible to know that" (or something similar) to any question you fail to demonstrate the validity of your worldview. Try harder before posting.

* You agree to the principles in this flowchart or you've failed: [link to www.jacoballee.com]

* You may not commit any logical fallacies or you've failed. Here is a list of some well-known fallacies. [link to www.informationisbeautiful.net] There may be others that I am not currently aware of.


If you don't agree with these rules, don't answer. If Darwinian macro evolution does occur in nature, these questions can be answered without resorting to cheating or underhanded rhetoric to uphold it. Right? I'm sure you'll agree these are fair rules.

Items beginning with an asterisk '*' are questions, and items beginning with an equal sign '=' are important statements which do not require an answer, but which inform the next question, so they must be read and understood.

OK, go!


= "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence." ~Richard Dawkins

= "Live Science" says of Darwinian evolution: "It can turn dinosaurs into birds, apes into humans and amphibious mammals into whales."

* Do you believe in evolution?

* Do you think it's a belief?

* When did you start to believe?

* Are you a strong believer in evolution?

= A scientific method is based on "the collection of data through observation and experimentation..." ~Science Daily

* Could you give me some observable evidence that evolution is true? Something I don't have to receive by faith. Remember, events that occured 65 million years ago can't be observed. If you say "fossil record," please be specific: Give one example.

= "We are condemned to live only for a few decades and that’s too slow, too small a time scale to see evolution going on." ~Richard Dawkins

= "We see nothing of these slow changes in progress, until the hand of time has marked the lapse of ages..." ~Charles Darwin

* You've got the the canine 'kind' with the coyote and the domestic dog, and there's the feline 'kind' which is the cats, the tiger and the kitten and you've got humankind. So, Darwin said there would be a change of 'kinds' over many years so could you give me one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kinds'? I don't want something I have to accept by faith. I want it to be observable. I don't want to have to have faith in the experts, I want to observe it myself. Can you give one example of observable evidence of a change of 'kind'?

* Did we have lungs or gills when we came out of the sea?

* The scientific method must be observable and repeatable, so could you give me one piece of observable evidence for Darwinian evolution, not adaptation or speciation, but a change of kinds? If you say "stickleback fish", you must specify what other 'kind' have they become. These have remained as fish. Remember, Lenski's bacteria are still bacteria. The Galapagos finches are still finches. Their change in beak is adaptation, not Darwinian evolution. There's no different animal involved. I want something which shows me Darwin's belief in the change of kinds is scientific. Can you give me anything that I can see, observe, and test, which is the scientific method, for Darwinian evolution which is a change of kinds, so that I don't have to exercise faith?

* If you cannot offer any observable evidence for Darwinian (macro, change in 'kind') evolution, how do you know it's true?

* No professor or biology major in the film was able to give observable evidence of a change in 'kind'. Therefore, Darwinian evolution (a change in 'kind') is un-observable. You need millions of years. If Darwinian evolution is not observable, is it scientific?

* You're trusting that the biology majors and professors know what they're talking about and they can't even give evidence of a change of kinds. Do you realize that's called 'blind faith'? Remember, "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence." ~Richard Dawkins

* Do you believe in intelligent design?

* How would you make a rose? A rose has a seed so you've got to start from nothing. Could you make a rose from nothing?

* No professor or biology major in the film was able to claim they were able to make a rose from nothing. For the purposes of this thread, I am going to assume you cannot, either. So if you say there is no intelligent design, where does that leave you on the scale of intelligence if you can't even make a rose?

= "The coccyx vertebrae is an extremely important source of attachment for tendons, ligaments and muscles..." ~Laser Spine Institute

= For years, the appendix "...was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults... Among adult humans, the appendix is now thought to be involved primarily in immune functions." ~Scientific American

= My note: This link discusses erector pili/most body hair and male nipples. [link to www.livescience.com] As a married man I have found a use for male nipples. If you know what I mean. (Ahem.) And I can certainly see that the organ would likely be present on a baby in the womb before its sex is selected with hormones, as the genetalia are identical before selection. Erector pili/most body hair I'm not so certain about. It's hardly earth-shattering evidence but I would like to read more. The first thought that comes to mind is that they're useful for sweat and a slight amount of warmth.

* So could you give me an example of vestigial organs? (I believe it is implied he is asking about human organs.)

* Skeptic websites often examples of famous atheists in an attempt to win converts. But more often than not, the famous personalities cited are not atheists. Aside from Earnest Hemingway (listed in the video), Can you think of any famous atheists which you can validate have never made a statement attesting to their belief in a deity? (At 18:32 in the video, quotes from Abraham Lincoln, Carl Sagan, Mark Twain, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Charles Dawrwin show clearly they are/were not atheists. For the sake of brevity I will not list them here.)

= No professor or biology major in the film was able to give an example of a famous atheist. Ray said, "It is important to know that even though some of these men claim to believe in God, that doesn't mean they are believers in the one true Creator revealed in the Scriptures, or that they're genuine Christians. However, when atheists use theists or agnostics to promote their godless agenda, they're being dishonest. Then again, coming from those who claim that morality is relative to each person, convenient dishonesty should not be a surprise."

* Do you believe in moral absolutes?

* Is rape always wrong?

= PZ Myers essentially answered yes, so the evangelist stated therefore there are moral absolutes.

* So who makes the rules?

* PZ Myers stated that we make the rules. I am going to assume you will say the same. If you did not, no need to answer this question, just ponder it: So if Hitler made the rules and he had the majority, he makes the rules?

= "Evolution is a very harsh and cruel process." ~PZ Myers

* Did Hitler put into practice survival of the fittest? Such as the lion eating the antelope.

* Your pet dog (or insert other beloved pet) and your rotten neighbor are drowning. You can only save one of them. Which would you save?

* The biology majors all chose to save the dog. I am going to assume you will say the same. If you did not, no need to answer this question, just ponder it: So you think dogs are more valuable than human beings?

= "Any fetus is less human than an adult pig." ~Richard Dawkins

* If you believe in evolution it's just a matter of survival of the fittest. Your neighbor's a primate and you've got a canine, and you like the canine more than you like the primate. If the grouchy neighbor drowns, he drowns. Survival of the fittest. Would that be correct?

* Are you an atheist who thinks God doesn't exist?

* An atheist in the movie stated that after we die we cease to exist. Ray Comfort said, "If you were a car and your motor were turned off that would be right, that's inanimate. But you're a living, biological human being with the life of God in you. .. Is there no life in you?" Atheist: "Yes there's life in me." "That's your soul." If you agree with the atheist, how do you know?

* Are you a good person? If there's a heaven, will you make it there?

* How many lies have you told in your whole life?

* What would you call me if I told lots of lies? You'd call me a liar, wouldn't you?

* So what does that make you if you've told lies?

* Have you ever stolen anything in your whole life even if it's small?

* That's called theft. So what are you?

* Have you ever used God's name in vain?

= That's called blasphemy, and it's very serious to use God's name as a cuss word. One atheist said he doesn't believe in God so it's not blaspheming. Ray responded, "Well, if I don't believe in certain laws and still violate them, ignorance of the law is no excuse. So we're still guilty even though we deny a law exists or even don't know about it."

* Jesus said that if you look upon a woman with lust in your heart you've committed adultery. Have you ever looked at another person with lust, such as with pornography?

= If you answered yes to those questions (and I don't know anyone who honestly can't answer anything but yes, myself included), to quote the evangelist, "then by your own admission you're a lying, theiving, blasphemous adulterer-at-heart, and that's only four of the Ten Commandments. Just not believing in hell won't make it go away. A judge must see that justice is done if he's a good judge, and it's the same with God. If we die in our sins God will give us justice. The Bible says that no theif, no liar, no fornicator, no blasphemer, no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God. So if you died in your sins but God gave you justice, because He's holy and perfect morally, you'd end up in hell, and I'd hate that to happen to you."

* Would you sell one of your eyes for one million dollars? Both for 100 million dollars?

= Most would say "no." Your eyes are precious to you. How much more precious is your life?

= "Now let me tell you something you know intuitively. You know that creation is proof of the Creator, God has given you that inner light. So when you look at the genius of God's creative hand, you know God exists because of creation, and the reason you choose evolution is because it gets rid of moral accountability. Evolution lets you believe that lust and theiving are just primal instincts; You're just an animal. The Bible demands moral accountability and says those things are wrong and that's why it's not acceptable to you. That's why you're not seeking after truth. Am I wrong?" ~Ray Comfort (The biology major sighed, paused, and said, "I think you're wrong.")

= "You are a unique human being, made in the image of God with a sense of justice and truth and righteousness. God gave you a conscience. It's inherent. It's shaped by society but it's inherent. You know right from wrong. You've violated His law and I don't want you to end up in hell."

= To a struggling college student: "James, if you put your finger on it, and see if we can, your struggle at the moment is because of your love for sin, because of the pleasure that sin gives you and you don't want to give it up. You're like a man with a money belt filled with gold who's just fallen into the ocean. I'm saying, if you don't get rid of that belt which weighs 80 pounds it's going to take you under. Doesn't matter how much pleasure it gives you, it's not worth losing your life for."

= To a college professor: "You're not a beast. You're a human being created by God in His image with dignity and worth and purpose."

* Do you know what God did for guilty sinners so we wouldn't have to go to hell?

= "God became a human being 2,000 years ago, Jesus of Nazareth, and He suffered and died on a cross, taking the punishment for the sin of the world. You and I violated God's law and Jesus paid our fine. That means God can legally dismiss our case because of the suffering, death and resurrection of the Savior. God can say, 'You're out of here' because someone paid your fine." ~Ray Comfort

= "And then what God can now do is clothe us in the righteousness of Christ, so on Judgment Day you're safe from God's wrath and His justice, because of the death and resurrection of the Savior. If you repent and trust in Him, God will give you a righteous standing in His eyes. He'll wash away your sins in an instant, and He'll grant you everlasting life. His last words on the cross were, 'It is finished.' In other words the debt has been paid. He came to take our punishment upon Himself. So because our fine was paid by another, God can legally dismiss your case." ~Ray Comfort

* Does that make sense? (He was not asking if they believed it, just if the statements made a logical connection.)

* When are you going to die?

= "God knows the exact moment of your death. It could be today, it could be tomorrow. I'm not using scare tactics, this is just straight reality. 150,000 people die every 24 hours, and they were no doubt all making plans for next week, so please think about this." ~Ray Comfort

= "I'm not talking about a religion that says you have to strive to get to heaven, I'm telling you that the Bible says heaven is a free gift of God. You cannot earn everlasting life, doesn't matter how religious you are, how good you are. 'God commended His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.' And then he rose from the dead and defeated death." ~Ray Comfort

= "This is how the Bible puts it: 'For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.' So eternal life is a free gift of God, and it comes because of God's mercy not because of anything we do." ~Ray Comfort

* Does that make sense?

= "I've been reading the Bible at home for over 40 years. There's no mistakes in it. Any mistakes that we think are in it are our mistakes, and you can trust God's Word. Think of how you trust professors and science books that tell you you're a primate? You trust and believe that so how much more should you trust a God who cannot lie?" ~Ray Comfort

* Are you going to think about this?

= "Soften your heart. Don't have so much blind faith in what science tells you and it's left you without any knowledge of what was in the beginning anyway. You haven't got a clue where you come from, you don't know what you're doing here on earth and you don't know what happens after you die."

* Could you be wrong about God's existence?

= An atheist responded, "Yes, but could you be wrong about God's existence?" "No." "Well then I think you're rather closed-minded." "Well if I said to you, could you be wrong about your wife's existence you'd say, "No, I know her. Don't be ridiculous. I know her and love her. And I know the Lord and I love the Lord, and He transformed my life 41 years ago, instantly, overnight, forgave my sins and gave me new desires when I had no desires or thoughts of God for the whole 22 years before I was a Christian."

= "The problem with those who are unable to see evolution, I think, is they don't have imaginations." ~Gail E. Kennedy, PhD, Associate college professor of Anthropology at UCLA

= "Human beings are still fish." ~PZ Myers

* Are you a talking primate?

* Are you a cousin of bananas?

= "I'm accepting that they did their science correctly." ~Biology major

= "I'm going to trust what those experts did, those experts came up with." ~Physics major

= "Darwinian evolution rests on faith. And once again, according to Richard Dawkins, 'Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.' Darwinian evolution requires great faith. The knowledge of God, however, is clearly seen by all mankind. 'For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools.' (Romans 1:20-22)" ~Ray Comfort

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Wake Up Muslims!! #fundie godlikeproductions.com

DEMON POSSESSION OF MUHAMMED EXPLAINED BELOW

Muhammad himself admitted that he was possessed by the devil:

SO WHY IN THE HELL WOULD SOMEONE FOLLOW A PERSON WHO SAYS HE IS POSSED BY THE DEVIL??? MUSLIMS ARE YOU THAT STUPID?? Muslims why have you not investigated you OWN Religion???

MUHAMMAD LIVED IN A CAVE BEFORE HE SPEWED WHAT HE SAW TO EVERYONE - I believe Muhammad sincerely believed that he actually saw the angel Gabriel in the CAVE. HOWEVER, I believe that the angel was not Gabriel. I believe the angel was a demon, probably Satan himself.

I believe Muhammad was deceived by a demon who subsequently possessed his mind, changed him and made use of him to deceive mankind into worshipping a pagan idol named Allah in place of the one true God of Abraham called YHWH (Yahweh Elohim). It is just trying to get the average Muslim TO WAKE UP TO THIS DECEPTION WHICH IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE!!!

‘Anas reported that Gabriel appeared before the Apostle of Allah (Muhammad), while he was playing with some boys. Gabriel took him, laid him down, pierced his heart, and took out a clot of blood. Then he said, “This is the portion of you possessed of a devil.” Next, he washed it in a gold cup with water from the well Zamzam. Thereafter sewed him up and took him back to where he found him…’ (Attended by Muslim. Al-Hadis, Volume 4 page 367)

Muhammad himself admitted that he was possessed by Satan at one time:
‘Have you, then, seen Al-Lat and Al-Uzza? And Manat, the third one, the other? These are exalted females (sublime ones), Mounting nearer and nearer to Allah And truly their intercession may be expected. ( Al-Qur’an, Sura 53 verse19-20, and the Satanic verses in bold letters)

The Satanic verses were present in the original version of the Qur’an when Muhammad was trying to woo the Meccans who believed in many gods including the pagan idols Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat.
Later on, when he was in a more commanding position, he conveniently edited out these embarrassing verses, admitting that they were inspired in him by Satan. “We have not sent a messenger or prophet before you but when he recited, the Devil would intrude into his recitation. (Al-Qur’an. Sura 22 verse 53)

Muhammad admitted that he had a Jinn (demon) up his nose. (Al-Hadis. Volume 4, Book 54, No.516) Muhammed said that bad dreams are from Satan.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 4, Book 54, No. 513) Muhammad had his own resident demon, the one-eyed Dajjal. (Al-Hadis. Volume 3, page 803)

ON THE OTHER HAND CHRIST HAD POWER OVER THE DEVIL - So you tell me who the TRUE PROPHET WAS???? ANSWER: JESUS/YAHSHUA

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie christiannews.net

If your moral claims are not objective, then they are nothing more than opinions and should be treated the same. If you say "I think that gassing Jews was wrong," all you are REALLY saying is that you don't like gassing Jews in the same way you don't like vanilla ice cream. It really is nothing more than your opinion, because you have stated that you don't believe objective morals exist.

"I see you have very poor morals." ANOTHER objective moral claim! You really are addicted to stealing from God, aren't you?!? On the plus side, I note that you have admitted the existence of God by asserting these objective moral claims - thank you once more for making my point! :-)

If your moral claims are not objective, then they are nothing more than your claims that you like vanilla ice cream and not chocolate. They are just opinions, and nobody cares about your ice cream desires. When you write "Pretending your opinion is a command from god(s) only makes it worse -- people kill people because they think that's what their god wants." you are merely saying that you think it's "worse" in the same sense that you think chocolate ice cream is "worse." And, "killing people because that's what their god wants" is "bad" in the same sense that chocolate ice cream is "bad."

But, the truth is that those are objective moral claims whether you want to call them so or not. You are stuck: if you want to keep stealing from the Christian God, at least have the courage to become a Christian and stand on your principles! Otherwise, you are just talking about ice cream flavors, and no one wants to hear such nonsense.

Please, please, please, take a course in A-theism for Dummies! Or, when you graduate from high school, please take a course in basic logic - should you go on to university. You really are failing today, and your fellow a-theists are quite ashamed of your performance (or lack thereof).

Chris #fundie rr-bb.com

ATTENTION: You can say your RCC relatives were saved, your Mormon relatives were saved, etc. Your words and declarations don't mean one iota of anything when it comes to determining salvation. It seems to me that you are just here to promote all kinds of false and pagan religions like the RCC, Mormons, and Buddhists. You are are pretty much saying that it's OK if people practice all kinds of ungodly and satanic rituals as long as they believe in Jesus.

Christian cults take the basics of christianity and then they add the special "seasoning" to it to make it what they want it to be. The RCC adds "works" to grace. The Mormons believe in a a different Jesus and wear funky underwear. The Masons bow down to every pagan idol they can find and end up worshipping the devil. satan is behind every pagan religion.

The Bible says that even the demons believe, and they surely aren't saved. Stucky, you seem to be "stuck" in pagan nonsense and it appears that you are not able to face the fact that if your RCC wife did not believe in faith alone in Jesus Christ, then there is a chance she placed her faith elsewhere. And placing your faith in anything but the Lord Jesus Christ will earn one a swift ride to Hell. That's not judgment, that is the Word of God. where your wife is now is between her and the Lord. He knows her heart.

However, we will not be promoting cults and running around here saying that if you are involved in them that is fine and dandy. so far, you have said your relatives involved in false, pagan, and ungodly religious cults are all saved, etc. This is basically refuting the Bible. We won't have anymore of that here.

Lilyofthevallies #fundie disciplesperspective.com

How to Identify a Male Chauvinist

First off, we need to define what is male chauvinism, because there is a lot of confusion out there. Male chauvinism is the belief, whether conscious or not, that women, womanhood, femininity, and therefore, beauty, are inferior to, men, masculinity, manhood, and strength. So you see, it’s a little bit broad of a definition, so let’s break things down some, shall we? Below are several examples of what Male Chauvinism looks like in todays society/church.

Anyone who believes that it is acceptable for a woman to be in the police force and military, is someone who is a misogynist, and frequently, but not always, a male chauvinist. This is pretty crystal clear, but what else do these people think and believe?

Well, unfortunately, many people think that chivalry is chauvinism, but on the contrary, its the loving notion that women deserve respect and special treatment. So the people who are attacking chivalry are guilty of male chauvinism. Male chauvinism is having a low view of a woman’s God-given role, little value for their God-given gifts, and no appreciation for womanhood’s uniqueness. Too many men and women have no appreciation or value of beauty; only valuing strength and leadership, at the expense of womanhood. God did not make Eve suited for leading, but Adam. The Creator did not make Eve to represent the strength of God, but His beauty. Why do we as men not cherish beauty in our daughters; appreciate their lack of leadership, just as God intended it? Why do we want them to be ‘just as strong and as much of a leader as a boy’? Why are we listening to the chauvinism and so called ‘wisdom’ of this world?

Chauvinism is treating your wife or daughter like she is just as tough and brave as a man, even though the Great Creator did not make them that way. Treating them like steel pots instead of fine china. Countless women are male chauvinists too, but for some reason, many people think that only a man can be one. Some women, in fact, hate women and womanhood so much, that they don’t even want to be women, but would rather be men. This is the perverted product of this wretched sin. What are you teaching your children? Are you teaching both your boys and girls to be tough, strong, brave leaders? You’re probably a male chauvinist who bought into the cool-aid the world is offering.

Chauvinism is not treating women as special and different, not cherishing them, nor their beauty, but instead cherishing masculine traits in a woman. Is any of this making sense? It is hateful, or misogynistic, to try to make a fish fly, or pig swim. We can only do that which we were created to do. But people hate women, womanhood, and femininity, and so want women to do what God did not create them to do. Encouraging a woman to be the leader in a relationship, to take on the burdens that she should not have to carry, is incredibly unloving and unbiblical.

Male chauvinism is the attitude that taking care of the house and children is ‘not important’ or a ‘waste’; the sinful idea that bringing home a paycheck is somehow so much more lofty and noble and worthy of a task. God gave both tasks; providing and protecting is the task He gave to men. Raising the kids and tending the home is the task that the good Lord gave the women, but many men and women look down on these jobs as inferior for a woman. This is the very height of male chauvinism.

In order to identify male chauvinists, we are going to have to understand how they think, what they believe. Sometimes they are disguised as godly people, sometimes they are godly people who are sinful and imperfect like you and I. Sometimes they will hide under the banner of ‘equality’, but in truth, they want no such thing. They never do. The more we understand the different flavors of male chauvinism, the more we can identify them. But as long as we are calling good ‘bad’, and bad ‘good’, then we will always have troubles spotting the spiritual disease of arrogance and pride.

JesusFreakGuy #fundie bbs.payableondeath.com

NO!!!!!!!! that is absoulutly 100% wrong and false, that is a lie. I assure you, Jesus DID NOT have sex with Mary Magdeline or marry her. If he did, we would have 'contradictions' in the Bible and the Bible would be 100% false. Its a myth. That means Jesus would be a liar and wouldnt be all that he says he is. Thats crap that the Mormons believe (and i think JW? not sure-) dont believe in that lie hommee!!!

Glory2YAHUVEH! #fundie endtimeprophecies.nl

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Thus saith YAHUSHUA (Jesus Christ), so shall ye be. For I see your heart. I hear your cries to ME. I feel your brokenness when a leader you trusted deceives you. But I have called and ordained you. I will sustain you. I, YAHUSHUA and the RUACH ha KODESH (Holy Spirit) are training you. I will not send you forth to the front lines till you are able to withstand and endure the hardships you will endure. But many are your blessings.

Many souls will come to ME, as I fortify your faith and you go forth in MY Name to do great works in the Name of YAHUSHUA. All will know it is not you but the RUACH ha KODESH anointing that brings forth these manifestations of deliverance and healing and I will use you to speak MY words and you will do it boldly, though many will be offended. They are MY words, not your words; you are not held accountable for what I say. Or the way I think. For MY ways are higher than your ways. Are they not?

I speak not only to you, but again I speak to all the prophets and apostles who minister in MY Name. The way has not been easy nor will it get any easier. But hold on tight to the measure of faith I have given each of you. For it is well above that which will sustain you in this end time. For your Bridegroom doth come, yeah I am even now at the horizon. You can feel ME at this very hour, be prepared.

Do what I have called you to do, and put your hand to the plow and do not look back. But look forward. Keep running the good race to the mark of the high calling. Be not deceived, the tribulation has not begun yet. Pray you will be spared this, for the tribulation is not for MY Bride. Why would I beat up and abuse MY Loving Bride? Why would I kill MY Spouse, MY Bride that awaits her groom? MY Bride with all her jewels on and finely adorned and who worships only ME, lives for only ME. I would not.

I tell you anyone that says I am going to allow you to go through the Great Tribulation does not speak MY words. They speak words of fear and deceit. I am coming for MY Bride to tenderly carry her away and lovingly protect her. She is not worthy of MY wrath, for she loves and obeys ME. She trusts ME. She is relying on ME to save her. Do not fear what so called experts say, and they say you will be here for the wrath of Almighty God YAHUVEH. For this is not of ME. I love MY Bride, MY Children, above all else. I gave MY life so you would be spared.

As you trust ME to keep you from hell, trust ME also to keep you from the coming horror of the great time of woe, to come upon this earth in the undiluted wrath of Almighty YAHUVEH. MY Children, pray for MY coming quickly. For judgment must start with MY own children, then the heathen will be judged. This is the great time of woe I speak of. Whatever I have called you to do, do it now for soon it will be too late.

Keep your eyes on the eastern sky and know that MY arrival is imminent. Can’t you feel the excitement? For your Bridegroom doth come. But for you MY Bride there is no fear, only rejoicing. Fear for those that mock, or deny ME. Fear for the lost sheep. Fear for the reprobate and rejected silver. As they have rejected ME, so I have rejected them. You will know rejected silver; for you will know the RUACH ha KODESH is not drawing them. The RUACH ha KODESH will not always strive with men especially in these end times.

You Daniel came searching for a word. You Daniel have been rewarded this day. Once again I used you to stir up the gifts in MY handmaiden. You both did not know I had made an appointment for you to meet online, but I did. This message is not just for you Daniel but once again beloved son, I have used you to speak forth to all MY Children.

Fear not, your Bridegroom doth come. Hold on tight to your faith, for although I am quiet I am testing those that proclaim their love for ME. But by feeding, warning MY sheep you will be proving your love for ME. By willing to suffer persecution, hatred, rejection for MY Name sake, you are proving your love for ME. By holding on tight to your faith though with your eyes you can’t see the answer to your prayers, you will be proving your love for ME as you say, “YAHUSHUA even if you never answer another prayer I worship you for who you are, for what you did for me at Calvary.”

This will prove your love for ME, by being willing to lay your reputations down for ME and if need be to sacrifice your lives for the Gospel of YAHUSHUA. This will prove your love for ME, by obeying ME, and seeking ME, and openly confessing and worshipping ME. This will prove your love for ME.

By exposing the wolves in the sheep’s den that come to devour the sheep, by picking up MY sword of the RUACH ha KODESH and defending MY sheep you will prove your love for ME. You say you love ME MY Children? Then by standing for holiness and for right and not wrong, by being conformed to MY image and not that of the world you will prove your love for ME. I end this with one question, “Will you prove your love for ME”?

I am watching and you’re surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. Even the enemy of your soul watches in fear. Will you prove your love for ME by loving one another? Those that do, you know are MINE and you shall know it. Will you prove your love for ME by sheltering and loving and extending your hands to them in prayer? This will prove your love for ME. MY sheep know MY voice; they will come to no other shepherd. Have you heard MY voice this day? Then this is who this message is for. I have proved MY love for you at Calvary. Now will you prove your love for ME?

Given to this handmaiden of YAHUSHUA,
Prophet Sherrie Elijah (Elisheva Sherrie Eliyahu) on May 28, 1997.

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YES, I will prove my love for you YAHUSHUA. Thank you for speaking forth out of this broken vessel of Clay one more time. Please RUACH ha KODESH anoint these words mightily for YAHUSHUA’s Glory I pray. Please help the sheep to discern YAHUSHUA’s voice. Please, RUACH ha KODESH, help us to prove our love for our Master, Ruler, Savior, King of Kings, our soon coming Bridegroom. We worship, praise and adore you YAHUSHUA ha MASHIACH. Always your Handmaiden, Child, Warrior, Bride.

Gomez family #fundie kansascity.com

A child whose brother and sister were found bound and blindfolded in a Walmart parking lot told an investigator that the family believed her younger siblings and their Illinois home were possessed by demons, a police officer testified Tuesday.

The children were discovered tied up and with duct tape over their eyes in June outside the store in Lawrence. Their parents, 44-year-old Deborah Gomez and 52-year-old Adolfo Gomez Jr., are charged with two counts of child abuse and five counts of aggravated child endangerment.

Lawrence police Officer Hayden Fowler testified at a preliminary hearing to decide whether the parents should stand trial. Fowler testified that an older daughter said the family was going to try to cast the demons from her 5-year-old brother and 7-year-old sister.

Fowler said one of the children told him that the family believed there were demons in their Northlake, Ill., home and outside their vehicle in the parking lot, and that the family had recently watched online videos about demons and “a fallen angel.”

Fowler testified that one of the older children told him the younger siblings had been tied up because the family believed that “demons had overtaken their bodies.” He said the child told him that duct tape was placed over their eyes to protect them from demons.

The older daughter said they were going to attempt to cast the demons out of the younger children but did not say how they planned to do that.

He said the daughter told him “if the demons were to die (the children) would die also.”

When the two younger children were discovered at the Walmart lot, their three older siblings, ages 12, 13 and 15, were inside the vehicle but not restrained. The five children have been placed in protective custody, and their parents remain jailed on $50,000 bond.

Dreams of Dunamis #fundie dreamsofdunamis.wordpress.com

“Mom!” he exclaimed, “Something weird happened here. I wasn’t feeling well, and felt God telling me to skip class and to go down into the basement of the library. So I did. When I got there, I didn’t understand why God had told me to go there. He told me to stay there and wait.”

“Then I watched this girl come in, which surprised me, for hardly anyone ever goes into the basement of this place. And then I seen that she was wearing the clothing of a muslim. She had her prayer mat with her, which she placed down on the floor and then kneeled down on.”

“As soon as she started speaking, great hoards of demons rushed in from all directions towards her. I felt very dizzy, and could feel their heat. They were huge, and were just like that other time in the classroom, where I seen that muslim demon backing up the teacher. However, this time, they had other spirits with them as well. Some were animals, but mostly looked like very large giant fighting men. Violence was all around them. There were black flames encircling them, and terror rushed through the building. Oh mom! I can really understand why some of their followers become willing to martyr themselves! The demons of terror are so very strong in this religion! I had to fight to just stay there and to not turn and run away! But the Lord wanted me to stay there, so I stayed there.”

“When the demons seen me, they started attacking me. The angels around me were really angry, and trying to defend me from them. I pulled out my cell phone, brought up the bible scripture app, and started reciting my favorite scriptures, like psalm 91 and Jeremiah 29:11. This calmed the angels a bit, and seemed to give them increased strength to continue the fight.”

“I could hear her praying to her god. She asked that her family be blessed, and for some other things I could not quite hear. Then I heard the demons say “Yes! We can do that for her!”. Then I heard the woman begin to pray again, though this time I could not make out what she was saying. But this is when the Lord told me to say psalm 91 out loud under my breath. I realized then, that while I prayed, whatever she asked for, she would receive the opposite instead. I sensed her asking for something bad to succeed, but knew that because of my quoting the scriptures, it would fail.”

“Oh mom, I felt so uncomfortable there! You know how it is when I am around roman catholics; I feel irritated. And when I am around saatanists or witches, I feel unbalanced and uneasy. Well around muslims, I felt sheer undiluted terror! I did not want to be there at all! I was afraid that the Lord would keep me there the whole time, but after a while, he told me it was O.K. to go.”

“Frustratingly, the only way out was by her. But there was an angel, one with no wings and somewhat smaller in size, that led me out. Another angel, much larger and with a wide wingspan, had his back towards me, enveloping me in his wings, while facing his shield and sword outwards towards the enemy so he could do battle if they attacked. Together, we made it out safely.”

“Oh mom,” he said, “I had no idea that I would run into something like this on campus! I have seen other muslims before, I even have some in my classes, but they didn’t have these kinds of demons on them! Though,” he said as an afterthought, “They didn’t seem like they were really into their religion either. One guy I spoke to, said he is a muslim only because his family forces him to be one. He himself wasn’t that into it. So maybe that’s why I didn’t sense too many demons on him.” She paused, thinking further. “I think it was the act of worship, that really brought out the demons.”

“You know mom,” he said to me, “sometimes it feels like there is a big battle going on over this campus. The hindus and their gods, the muslims and their god, the gays – yes I know they are not a religion, but they still have their own set of demons on them-, the buddhists, the athiests, they are all vying to gain ultimate control over the campus. They are all trying to gain power over it, so it can be their own little principality.”

I asked him if the demons ever unite with each other, to be able to gain more ground.

“No,” he answered. “Only a few times when they want to fight off the Christians. But for the most part, they are each out for themselves.”

This was a surprise to me. I had thought that satan would command his troops to work more together, to take over the land. I guess he didn’t feel it was needed.

Weeks later, we heard of a murderous rampage At Ohio State University by a muslim that was stopped. My son sensed that this is what the woman’s prayers had been used by the demons for. But Psalm 91, God’s Word, stopped it from succeeding. The only deaths from that attack, was the attacker himself. Reports described the man as behaving oddly while the attack was taking place. I have no doubt that at that moment, he was posessed by demons and not in control of himself.

Plea4Peace #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Evolution is a lie. Why do people believe it?
Evolution is a lie concocted by eco freaks from PETA. If we are monkeys how come monkeys can't talk? Evolution is taught in schools by liberal communists who hate America and American values. It's also racist. Evolution is used to suggest black people and Australoids are more primitive than other races. How can it be true if it's racist? But these ignorant idiots believe whatever they're told to think. They believe that nature is important and there's global warming and animals are precious and have rights because they're told to think that by liberal teachers and the liberal media. All races are equal, all people are equal for that matter, because God made us that way. Evolutionists hate equality and people. I say if you believe in evolution, go live in antarctica with your precious polar bears, while we drill for oil through your face.

Alice Leszek #fundie books.google.com

There are doctors all over the world that are dealing with people with mental conditions. Statistically, I wonder how many are battling demons. How radical it would be if we treated people with prayer, with Jesus, so that they might be set free. There are people all over the world who celebrate Christmas and stop at that not knowing, not realizing, not truly understanding the power of Jesus and how powerful he could be in their lives.
There are demons that are wandering around in the spirit, who are no more powerful than you or I. They know Jesus is the Son of God, and they know the power he possesses; they fear him for that and rightly so. This experience I had was not a dream or vision. It truly lasted for days and days. At the time, I didn't know what was going on; it was only afterward, as time passed, that God revealed it to me, revealed himself to me, and gave me these scriptures to prove what he was revealing to me was true. How did he do this? After I was delivered by the Lord from the demons that had tormented me, I had another experience. It wasn't a dream or a vision, but rather, this time, I was caught up in the spirit by God. My human eyes were open, but in addition to that, God enabled me so that I could see in the spirit world. There was a noticeable difference between this experience and the one I had with the demons. God was in control, and throughout, there was nothing but peace. At first I wasn't sure what was going on, but then God started revealing and teaching things to me. This revelation commenced at a pace that I could handle. He told me he wanted me to understand, and we handled it like a Q&A session. He first told me that there are many demons in this world and that they want to live in human bodies. I asked why were there not more people running around mad. He told me that they are working on people in different ways, he told me that they are invisible to human eyes but that you can see them in the spirit, and then he opened my eyes to see. He pointed out a man to me, and I could see from a distance that there were demons inside of him. The Lord asked me how many there were, but I could only tell that there was more than one; yet he looked normal from the outside. As if reading my mind, the Lord said that he was not normal, and these demons were controlling this man's life and causing him to make bad decisions, and he can't sleep at night.
Next he showed me a woman, and I could see the demons inside of her. He explained to me that these demons caused her to overeat, and she also could not sleep at night. I was in Rosie's house as the Lord was revealing this all to me. I could see so far, it was astonishing. I could see the roads and into different houses, and there were demons everywhere. There was a particular man that the Lord showed me; he was in the road and a demon was just standing there, talking in his ear. The Lord said that this is something that commonly happens in people's lives: demons whispering in people's ears. As I watched, the Lord opened my ears to hear what the demon was saying and what the man was thinking. The man had had an argument with his wife and was very upset. He felt that he was tired of his wife. The demon asked the man why doesn't he just kill her. I could visibly see the man receiving these words. To himself, he said that no one would know it was him. The demon heard this thought and, even louder, said that he should kill his wife and added that no one would know that it was him and that this was the only way out of his marriage. The man received those words also and was convinced to think about it further.
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So the Lord said that if this man could say God's Word in his mind against those murderous thoughts, the demon would leave him alone. However, if he does not, he will continue to listen to this demon and kill his wife and be caught. How can you know God's Word if you don't read it? The devil knows this, and that is why he fights so hard against bibles being in schools and stuff like that. He knows that if children read the Bible and have this information, he will lose power over them. Instead, he encourages them to watch TV and get on the Internet so he can feed them whatever he wants.
The Lord showed me some men in a house that were smoking marijuana, and then he showed me a demon in a tree and indicated that he was the controller of the whole village. I could draw you a picture of what this demon looked like. It was so big it could look over the whole village. It had a body of a human from its head to where the wings started. Under its wings, it had hands with fingers on it and the legs of an animal with fur on it. The Lord told me to look at what the demon does to them after they smoke. This is what happened: This demon was on the tree far from where the men were smoking. It reached its finger across the way, and while the men were smoking, he commanded the first man to go steal. The man didn't hesitate and left immediately. He told the next man to go beat his wife up and to then go hide in the bushes and wait for another woman to beat. Again, this guy didn't hesitate either. The third guy in the house was Rosie's husband. The demon stretched his hand to him and commanded him to commit adultery with another woman, and off he went. This demon was watching them and was laughing and enjoying himself. The Lord showed me these men doing these things and explained to me that when these men smoked, they gave their minds up and were no longer in control of themselves. The demon waited until they were smoking and getting high and used that as an opening to use his power on them.

TG Special #conspiracy answers.yahoo.com

Seriously, Soros is on a much different level than them. He is a Communist atheist. So he probably despises their religious beliefs. But he has something in common with them. A hatred and a desire to weaken America and the free world.
He makes money like a Capitalist. He wants higher taxes for big government, all the while he keeps his money in off shore tax free accounts.
Soros is in a way ahead of his time. He wants one world government, communism in a form. He wants to legalize drugs, gay marriage, all kinds of stuff, most people find repulsive. He will bang the old communist drum, we are a team, one and all, high taxes, everybody is the same all that bs. Of course he and his inside cronies will be allowed to live like rich Kings, thats ok of course.
He has lots of big money friends. Hollywood, New York Times and other major media. A handful of Democrats, and I can't honestly say who, I would be guessing.
So the left wing American press and Euro press twist the news to make the liberals look good and the traditionalists look bad. They want no religion mentioned whatsoever in the public square, and would love to out law it, believe it. Another tool of theirs is the Politcal Correctness movement. That was started by Stalin the Russian Communist. Its a way to control what the populus says and thinks. Mind control!
They believe they can beat us all by having us beat ourselves. And he might be winning. But hopefully enough word will get out so we can stop him, and his buddies, they believe they are in a war, and they are. Why is the ACLU suing towns for Christmas trees and God in the pledge of allegience. It all comes from the same pot, and Soros is sitting on top of that pot hoping to rule the world. This is not a joke or paranoia, just watch all these stupid ACLU attacks on freedom coming this holiday season, Soros gives BILLIONS to the ACLU.
See, they got to me, I said "holiday" season. What exactly is that holiday, uh huh, CHRISTMAS! They have convinced us it is a bad thing to even say CHRISTMAS, Soros prefers the big brother Holiday instead of that religious Christmas name!

Guest #fundie youdebate.com

ive been reading posts on here and it seems that people keep sayin that most Christians are evolutionists and i just want to see if that is true. if there are any Christians that read this and believe creation is wrong im calling youf flat out a hypocrite. if you say you are a Christian than you believe the bible. In the begining God created the heavens and the earth....genesis 1:1. if you are a true Christian then this is what you believe. that is the easiest thing to understand that ive ever read. there is no grey area. it says what it means and if you call yourself a Christian and dont believe this then its just like saying your a Christian that doesnt believe that Christ died on the cross for your sins. If you are one of the hypocrits i speak of then i urge you to get it together. It is plain to see that God created everything and that if you dont believe this your not a Christian so stop lying to other people and yourselves and making us true Christians look like a bunch of idiots.

embodiment777 #fundie bbs.payableondeath.com

[After being asked to answer some questions to clarify his position on medicine]

Ok Crash I'll answer your questions. However I'll answer them according to my faith.

['Do you believe that bacterial infections do not exist?']

1.I believe bacterial infections do exist, but if you live a pure and Godly life in Christ, then you won't have to worry. (Bible quote: Even their poison will not harm you)

['Do you not believe in viruses?']

2. Same answer as #1

['Do you believe that mental diseases are caused by demon possesion?']

3.yes I do

['Do you believe that sickness is simply demonic influence or perhaps a direct result of sin?']

4. A direct result from sin is demonic influence. (The day you taste the sulfur will make you believe this.)

['I'm trying to understand if you're totally contradicting hundreds of years of medicinal research or just in some way explaining it in spiritual terms.']

5. Medicinal expertise has nothing on GOD. The answers above should give you what you need.

If I can help you with anything else let me know.
Peace
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simplicity #fundie foru.ms

I guess it's hard for most students to appreciate how it's actually pretty useful for everybody to support some core beliefs. It isn't so hard to participate, after all.

Some day a radical kid in among the other students will go ahead and recite whatever he wants. He will say, "I believe I will kill every American youth around me because I hate every living one of them. This is what I believe." And if we support everybody's freedom to say and think whatever they want, it can be a pretty dangerous world.

Honestly, belief in a Judeo-Christian God is far superior than all the academic dribble about personal freedom. We are all servants of consumerism and industry. There is no true freedom. But even those who are shackled can live in relative peace and harmony by their shared values and beliefs.

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

God is the One who brings demons into your life, and He does so for specific purposes. His purposes fall into two categories: discipline and refinement. Discipline is about God spanking your rebellious behind back into alignment with Him. Refinement is about pushing obedient souls on to the next level of spiritual maturity. Either way, God is focused on improving His personal relationship with you. He is doing this to you for positive reasons—that is an essential point to keep in mind.

So how do you know if God is disciplining you or refining you? This is actually easy to sort out once you understand a few things about how God communicates. You see, when God is upset with you about something, He tells you exactly what the problem is and He also tells you what you can do to fix it. This is something you can absolutely count on God for. Contrary to what you may have been taught, God is extremely easy to succeed with and He never expects you to read His mind and figure out why He’s mad at you while He sulks in a corner.

Nothing is going to wipe you out faster than thinking God is angry with you when He really isn’t. This is why it is essential that you understand how to sort out real conviction from God from the false conviction that demons pump out. Whenever possible, demons try to impersonate God’s Voice in your mind and get you to think He’s saying things to you that He really isn’t saying. Since demons are such clever little liars, can you really learn how to see through their games? Absolutely. It’s surprisingly easy to sort out true conviction from false conviction, and we break this down for you in three simple steps in this post: Identifying False Conviction: Three Easy Tests. Also read Conviction Q&A. A proper understanding of how to recognize God’s conviction will take a lot of stress out of your life. Read through the conviction posts and determine if there is anything specific that God is convicting you about. 

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

In the Bible, who is it that God is using to stomp all over His rebellious people? Bloodthirsty creeps like the Assyrians and Babylonians. These were merciless men who got off on torturing people, degrading women, and killing children while they violently took over the territory of less powerful nations. Sound familiar? Who do you think is really behind all this ISIS activity that we’re constantly hearing about in the news? The Church tells you it’s demons. God says it’s Him. God says that NOTHING happens in this world that He doesn’t WANT to happen. Yet when we read about people being forced to dig their own mass graves, women being raped and children being forced to play the role of suicide bombers, are we willing to see God at work? No, we’re not. We run screaming into denial, gladly exalting Satan as the “ruler of this world” so that we can avoid acknowledging what God Himself says about His own sovereignty. And while we hide out in a web of comforting lies, how is God responding to us? He’s getting angrier and angrier. What is it that ignites God’s wrath against us? Soul rebellion. What are we doing when we blatantly deny God’s sovereignty over all things, His involvement with evil, and His supremacy over demons? We’re rebelling. What are we doing when we intentionally avoid reading the Old Testament because we don’t want to be confronted with records of how Yahweh has done THESE SAME THINGS to people many times in the past? We’re rebelling. What are we doing when we try avoid the prophetic books in which Yahweh announces that HE is the true Source of all misery in this world? We’re rebelling. What makes God mad at us? Rebellion. See the problem? Christians are in for a major spanking during the end times. It’s not going to be some human antichrist with his hordes of brainwashed soldiers that we’re going to be up against. It’s going to be our own God doling out the discipline, and He’s going to be choosing many Christian targets to nail with His destructive power. He is going to be mad at US because WE are the ones who are WILLFULLY DEFYING Him today, and we’ve been defying Him for decades by refusing to believe what He says about the way things really work.

Eivind Berge #sexist eivindberge.blogspot.com

Reasons why people believe in the female sex offender charade

Whatever their reasons, people do not believe that women can sexually abuse because it is true. As I have resoundingly pointed out, it is logically impossible, given the core beliefs and values that I hold, for women to sexually abuse boys. In this post I will examine possible reason for why people believe, or say they believe that women can be sexual abusers despite the obvious falsehood of this proposition.

- Virtue signaling. Now that it is established as politically correct to believe in female-perpetrated sexual abuse, that in itself will make a lot of people say it just because it increases their status. It is a classic case of the emperor's new clothes -- social status counts more than perceptions and one tends to say what powerful people want to hear.

- It follows from other strongly held beliefs. I am thinking of feminists who posit that the sexes are equal, which is how we got into this mess. Once it is axiomatic to you that there cannot be any sex differences, women must be able to do everything men can no matter how absurd, and so female sexual acts must be equivalent to male abuse despite no one ever feeling it. This is similar to how some physicists feel compelled to believe in the multiverse. Neither phenomenon can ever be observed, but one must believe in it for the sake of consistency.

- Projection. Women project their own sexual feelings (or lack of them) onto males, honestly not realizing how different we are. Notice that women are by far the most vociferous proponents of the female sex offender charade, as well as inventing it, and we often hear that "abuse" was accused only because a boy's mother egged him on. Men used to keep such lunacy in check, and it can thus be seen as a nasty side effect of giving women too much political power.

- Their paycheck depends on it. Is a policeman, prosecutor, judge, school administrator, therapist or journalist going to go with his instincts, which if expressed will get him instantly fired, or what brings home the bacon and furthers his career? The choice is dishonorable, but understandable. These figures will almost always follow the profits. The same goes for accusers and their families who stand to gain from suing the school etc., in which case greed is the proper name of the sin.

- Thoughtlessness and going with the flow. I know I am special because I have thought and read extensively about sexual abuse, and there are doubtless people who give it little thought. I am sure I hold irrational beliefs on some other subjects myself, perhaps some of them equally ridiculous as the assertion that women can sexually abuse boys. But I wouldn't know, because I don't examine these views critically, and there isn't enough time in anybody's life to think critically and research the facts about everything. This is probably the most excusable excuse, but it can't remain excusable for long if you are made to think about the topic.

- Socially acceptable misogyny. To label a woman as "sex offender" is to declare open season for any hate anyone wishes to heap on her, and this being the sole remaining politically correct way to hate women, naturally it will attract misogynists. This hate is so strong in some men that they will pathetically deny their own sexual nature as boys in favor of claiming abuse, and this applies to accusers as well as bystanders. Thus you have grown men spouting the lie that they didn't want to have sex with their female teachers in school, or that they were "abused" if they did. I am willing to accept that their hate is stronger than their sex drive, but they were most assuredly not abused, because that would require a consensus reality in which I could intuitively partake and not just a false and self-serving belief. This doesn't even have to be misogyny, but the same kind of misanthropic malice that causes a person to jump on the bandwagon and participate in any old witch-hunt or lynching. Vigilante pedophile hunters are cut from this cloth.

Insofar as people believe in the myth that women can be sexual abusers, how do they justify it to themselves?

- The aversive experience delusion. We all know that boys want sex, but somehow, for the purposes of expressing an opinion on female "abusers," this knowledge is blocked out and replaced with the message promulgated by the theatrics of feminist abuse hysteria. They may be laboring under the delusion that "children" are asexual, never mind their own memory to the contrary. And the "teacher or similar status = abusive power differential" myth is a powerful destroyer of common sense. All it takes is a mumbo-jumbo explanation like that and a lot of people's minds go blank and ready to be filled with whatever authority tells them. This is similar to how the "rape is about power rather than sex" canard got established. It sounds like a sophisticated thing to say, so having heard it all his life from intelligent-sounding people, the man in the street will parrot it even though it bears zero resemblance to how he feels his own sexuality works.

- The more pseudo-sophisticated explanations. Some true believers will admit that boys go through all the motions and feelings of wanting and enjoying sex, but then all this is somehow made irrelevant by a metaphysical layer that still makes it abuse. Or it is believed that some kind of "trauma" will surface later. Of course this is gibberish unless you go out of your way to brainwash boys into thinking they have been abused -- which is to say actually abusing them -- but it is an explanation for how these dimwitted minds work.

- Misguided equality or an MRA tactic. Some men understand that the female sex offender charade is completely or mostly nonsense, but they want to punish these women anyway just to be "equal" or get even or convince women that the hateful sex laws were a bad idea (which never happens). This belief is common among men who have partially opened their eyes to the abuses of feminism, including a lot of self-styled "MRAs," but of course they are no such thing.

- The irrelevant harm theory. This is also common among "MRAs," who will want to punish women not for sex itself, which they know is harmless, but consequences such as child support. They may have a point, but this should be dealt with by reforming child support laws rather than pretending that women can rape or sexually abuse boys. Apparently they lack the imagination to do anything but go along with the feminists on 99% of issues.

If you look at the comment section below any news article about supposed female sexual abusers, wherever comments are unmoderated, it is always teeming with men who express disbelief that it can be abuse or say they wish they had been so lucky themselves. So this is one issue where male sexualists are decidedly not alone. I would say we represent the true majority, but those who promote the female sex offender charade wield disproportionate power, enough to make it the law of the land for now. This is a horribly wrong situation that we need to change, gentlemen. As male sexualist activists we must never forget to stand up for women accused of sexual abuse as well, because we know this charade is every bit as absurd and odious as any historical witch-hunt and even more troubling than the hateful persecution we face ourselves.

bradley_rogers_engineer #fundie phys.org

I cannot believe anyone would say the following: The fact that none of these asteroid impacts shown in the video was detected in advance is proof that the only thing preventing a catastrophe from a 'city-killer' sized asteroid is blind luck.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

To say "is proof that..." is totally idiotic. The only reason it was written that way was to deny the God of the bible. It was a way to say hey everyone, I want you to think there is no God and no hope. Headline news like this around Easter time, its not science, at all. Its a religious, or actually an anti-bible or anti-Jesus message and nothing more.

Having the other extreme try to control science and say you can think this but not that? is perhaps as bad; but then those pretending to be PRO or FOR science saying such anti-religion nonsense, doing so in the name OF science is disgusting and fights the very foundation of science and freedom.

Dust #fundie iidb.org

You atheist types are such hypocrites. Anytime a theists says something they believe, atheist say, 'but it doesn’t say that'. But when they pull some cockeyed crap out of their hat to ask a question as absurd as 'was Jesus gay?' they want to twist stuff every which way they can. And even still you have others thinking he was married. 'But…but…his mom told him they were out of wine at a wedding. It had to be his wedding.' 'Well…well…he was Jewish, and most Jewish are married.' 'But, Mary Magdelen hung around him a lot. She must have been his girl.' Puullleeeassee. I swear, you atheists will do anything to pervert the truth. And you wonder why you are despised by most of society.

Janoklark #fundie banjohollow.wordpress.com

the flying spaghetti monster is just a waste of time made by wankers, and it looks like a pile of their rank semen and ripped out balls. if you’re a woman you can be an atheist by not meditating, but for men it comes by masturbation. i have NEVER met a continent man who is an atheist. the silly world these atheists create is projected from their own demented minds. the reason they think God is the tooth fairy etc. is because they are too busy jerking off to take a minute to contemplate quietly and look inward.

of course any system can be made to look ridiculous, if the person presenting it has no clue what this system is based on.

for example, let’s assume british people cannot cook or make good tasting food, and thus cannot imagine what good tasting food is. they might call gourmet cooking a mythology, for example, and make fun of people who believe in good cooking as fatuous idiots who believe in the tooth fairy. they might make fun of gourmet chefs as having the superstition that if they study cook books they will attain knowledge of the mythical delicious food. they might smear poop on images of prize chefs, make fun of chef hats, and make porn with people in formal cooking clothes. they might then explain thus:

believing in good cooking is like believing in santa claus. people in chef school and studying cookbooks think that if they pay homage to good cooking, that they’ll be rewarded afterward by some mythical good flavor being, and that if they make a mistake they will be cursed forever with a disgusting feeling in their stomach.

or we could assume women are liars more often than not, and have no concept of honesty. in this case, women could start calling honesty myth, write a book called the honesty delusion, and say honesty is something idiots believe in because they think it’ll make them go to heaven forever, just like putting a tooth under your pillow gets you a quarter.

we could extend these analogies to anyone ignorant of something, who then tries to mock the things he doesn’t understand. quite simply, the stupidity of the spaghetti monster is the silliness of the wanker atheists who created it. it is a mirror of themselves.

atheists short-sighted, or blind, because they are wanking. this is shown in the folk knowledge that masturbation causes blindness, and also in the bible when Christ takes the scales off the eyes of a blind man (who is blinded by the sin of lust). they seek to debunk religion based on definitions and ideas of religion that are twisted, silly, or overly modern. they seem to be attacking the ideas of something an old lady said to them once in sunday school.

what they cannot understand is that God is not defined in our short, modern era. norms are not created in one generation, and norms technically do not define truth anyway. however the definition of God is true and useful as provided by traditional sources like the vedas an upanishads. atheists never read these sources. they are always reading modern bibles that were published less than 50 years ago (though Christianity has never been defined by what’s in the bible…the bible was only really collected in the way we see it today in 325AD). they seem to be clowns arguing on the other side against zionist clowns like tim hagee.

Matrix Freak #fundie forums.matrixfans.net

If you don't believe in them [demons], what fo you think about posessed people.. oh don't worry, if you have never seen a posessed person other than TV, i can assure you that when i was twelve years old, i saw one right in front of my eyes, not five meters away.

<p>Personally i do believe in their existence, very much. Not because i read about it in the bible or because i saw it in a movie, or because it was something my mom told me, but because i saw it with my own two eyes and it got me nightmares for more than two weeks straight.

Mike Bird #fundie patheos.com

Answering President Jed Bartlet on the Bible and Sexuality

I have been very gradually working my way through The West Wing, currently up to Season 2 and I just saw this epic scene where President Jed Bartlett lays into some conservative Christian radio show host for her views about homosexuality.

I’ve heard this line of argument several times, it latches onto something genuinely problematic which most Christians have a hard time explaining, so I thought it might be a good idea to offer my own response to President Jed Bartlet:

Dear President Bartlet,

Sir, I just saw your rather dramatic lambasting of Dr. Jenna Jacobs for her views on homosexuality. You speak with great passion and conviction on the subject and are rightly concerned that pious people will use religious texts as a license to treat LGBT persons with hatred and indifference. I sincerely appreciate that concern and I applaud it.

As a biblical scholar myself I have to confess that I was seriously impressed with your ability to recall biblical passages from the Pentateuch by memory. You are obviously a veteran of a very rigorous Sunday School program and you can recall Scripture with a precision that would leave many rabbis envious of your abilities. You obviously have spent a lot of time reading the Bible and you take it very seriously. I appreciate that too.

Let me say also that I don’t know Dr. Jacobs, I don’t listen to her show, I have no desire to defend her as I imagine that she and I probably do not see eye to eye on social issues and how to express a Christian view point about them. Still, I do wonder if you gave a Christian view of the Bible and sexuality a fair go, at least as a biblical theologian might express them.

The problem is that you are right, there are some very strange prohibitions in the Bible about combining fabrics together, planting crops side by side, laws pertaining to slavery, and stoning the less scrupulously observant of religion. The Old Testament contains things that are not only weird, but look callous and cruel even to those brought up with a deep reverence for the Bible.

Sir, I do not presume to lecture you on matters of religion, but it seems to me like you want to say in effect, “You believe what the Old Testament says about homosexuality, so then, do you believe all the crazy rules and regulations in the Old Testament too?” That is a good question and such a question requires an obvious “no,” since Christians themselves would concur that they are not bound to obey all the Old Testament regulations. But the matter I wish to press Mr. President is that you have overlooked how Christians read the Old Testament as Scripture and how they use Scripture to construct their own mode of moral discourse.

Please indulge me for a few short moments Mr. President in the hope that I can illuminate your understanding of the Bible and help you better appreciate how Christians use the Bible in their moral reasoning.

First, the Old Testament regulations were for a specific moment in Israel’s history and are not prescriptive for all time. The purpose of the law was to equip the Israelites to survive in the harsh context of the ancient near east. To tease that our further, the purpose of the law was to protract Israel’s capacity to worship God, to cocoon God’s purposes around Israel, to keep the Israelites separate from the peoples of Canaan, to teach Israel about human sin and divine holiness, and to point to the messianic deliverer whom God would send in the future. Many of these laws are not ideal (such as divorce as Jesus himself taught), other laws are a liberalization of ancient practices but still not particularly pleasant (like the treatment of slaves), many laws are related to the specific context of the ancient near east (like inter-tribal warfare), and several laws censure things that seem odd to us like consuming blood (because of its link to pagan worship). So, even from a Christian perspective, we have to say that Old Testament laws were a survival measure in a hostile environment, they were addressing cultures as they were rather than how they might be, they were incremental attempts to bring light to a world that was brutal and dark, and the laws were preparatory for something better rather than final. These laws might be God’s first word on how human should live before him, but they were certainly not the last word either.

Second, the Old Testament is strictly speaking not prescriptive for Christian ethics. That is not because the Old Testament is a bad thing that has been done away with, but because it is a good thing that has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ. I would suggest that the basis of Christian ethics is largely three things: (1) The example of Jesus and the apostles; (2) The teachings of Jesus and the apostles; and (3) Life in the Spirit. The Old Testament Law then is not the constitution for a Christian society, not the content of Christian ethics, nor the catalyst for Christian social reform. Instead, the Law is more like a consultant for Christian beliefs, embodying a form of wisdom on how to fear the Lord, how to walk in his ways, and how to love him. We are not bound to its letter, but we ignore its teachings to the peril our own spiritual ignorance.
Third, if the Old and New agree on one thing, it is this: the supremacy of love. Both Testaments agree that love of God and love of neighbour are the core concerns and truest teachings of Law. We read the commands: “Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength” (Deut 6:5) and similarly “love your neighbor as yourself” (Lev 19:18). This is precisely what Jesus himself argued according to the Evangelists where Jesus said: “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matt 22:37-40). Even the Apostle Paul, though often maligned for his views of women and homosexual behavior, said: “For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’” (Gal 5:14).

When it comes to the issue of sexuality and marriage, Christians should not rush to Leviticus or Deuteronomy searching for proof texts for their beliefs. The first thing to note is that Genesis teaches that God made men and women in his image, and that marriage is rooted in a sexual ecology of the complementarity of men and women oriented towards the creation of a family (Gen 1:26-28). What is more, this is something that Jesus affirmed (Mark 10:6-9). On top of that, there are prescriptions about homosexual acts outside Leviticus made by the Apostle Paul (Rom 1:26-27; 1 Cor 6:9; 1 Tim 1:10). And while these prescriptions are disputed – are they only about pederasty, an aggressive bi-sexuality, excessive lust, or limited to cultic prostitution – generally they are regarded by most scholars as censuring homoerotic behavior. Of course, if you think Jesus and Paul were just wrong and you care to disagree with them, that is fine, but please understand that that is not an attractive option for those of us who wish to affirm what our own tradition teaches on marriage and sexuality.

Mr. President, at the end of the day Christian ethics are based on love not law: love for God and love for our neighbors. Christians, within the precincts of their own consciences, cannot affirm behavior that they believe Scripture prohibits. The wisdom of our tradition is that sexuality is a gift from God, leading us to affirm celibacy in singleness and faithfulness in marriage. Yet because of the command to love their neighbours, you can expect Christians to always treat people, irrespective of gender, race, religion, and sexual orientation, with compassion and dignity, as we ourselves would want to be treated. If you wish to wag a finger at Christians for their hypocrisy, and I hope you do, citing texts from Leviticus is probably not the best way to do that. Much better is to accuse Christians of not keeping Jesus’ commands to love their gay neighbor, point out that they have not followed Jesus’ example to welcome those who polite society has rejected, and they have not embraced the lost for whom Jesus said he came to save! That is a word of rebuke Christians need to hear time and again.

That is my two cents on the matter Sir. I wish you all the best in the coming election season.

PS, watch out for that Jeff Haffley guy, he’s a sly old critter!

Gordon Klingenschmitt #fundie goddiscussion.com

I just earned my PhD in Theology by writing my dissertation on the spiritual gift of discerning of spirits (explained in the Bible as the supernatural ability God gives some people to see angels, demons, and the Holy Spirit).

Do you believe in God, the Holy Spirit, Angels, and Demons?

I do. But these spirits are invisible, unless you have the gift.

My new book explains how YOU can receive the gift/ability to see the spirits! Not only that, it reveals 50 hidden demons ruling the heart of the 44th President of the United States, Barack H. Obama.

Am I saying Obama is demon-possessed? No. (see page 12 of the book.)

Am I saying Obama has been ruled, at different times, but up to 50 different evil spirits, as historically proven by his words and deeds? Yes. (see ch. 3 & 4 of the book).

Using the same PhD tested theological method I successfully defended in my PhD dissertation, I have developed a way to help you see the invisible spirits ruling in the heart of the 44th President.

And not only can you see them, but anybody can apply my method to see the evil spirits actually ruling Obama’s heart.

Sounds crazy? No, it’s actually logical, systematic, and biblical.

biblicalgenderroles #sexist biblicalgenderroles.com

While most married men view porn you may directly contribute to your husband viewing it more by neglecting your physical appearance. If you gain an excessive amount of weight or fail to properly groom yourself or wear nice clothes your husband may look more to porn than he normally would for the feminine beauty that he is naturally designed to crave.

Even if you take great care about your physical appearance if you are harsh, critical, disrespectful or less than fully receptive to your husband’s sexual advances he may view more porn than he would have otherwise. Most women fail to realize that men do not view porn only because of the bodies of these women or the sex acts themselves. Many men also view porn because of the enthusiasm these women show toward sexually pleasing the man they are with.

Even if you as a Christian wife take great care of your appearance and you willingly and enthusiastically have great sex with your husband he may still look at porn. I refer you back to hard truth number 2 about men and their sexuality – men are designed by God with a capacity for polygyny. So this means even if your husband is thrilled with you in all these areas he will still be drawn to enjoy the view of a variety of women’s bodies.

Even if you deny most or all of the hard truths I have just stated the Bible nowhere gives you the right to deny you husband sex because is he doing something sinful. Remember that the same Bible which you believe says men viewing any kind of porn or thinking sexual thoughts of other women is wrong also says very clearly that a woman may not deny her husband sexually.

Even if you deny most or all of the hard truths I have just stated your husband is NOT accountable to you for his thought life or his actions. Even if you feel he is being disobedient to God in his porn use you are not his spiritual authority and you have no authority to confront him in this spiritual matter.

JesusIsLord #fundie fanfiction.net

Okay...there are LOTS of gay stuff here so i thought i can write something too! O and CATHOLICS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. look at all CHristians--they were originally catholic but then martin Luther Screwed everything up.

NOTE TO GAY PEOPLE: YOU are still GOD's children and he loves you!! You can change!! GOD WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU AND YOU CAN STOP BEING GAY.

Part Uno:
O look at us!!
We're all gay
And we like to play
SO DEAL WITH IT.

O, don't you know?
GOD LOVES YOU!
He will always love you!
You can change!

No we can't!
PLEASURE BEFORE GOD.

Part Dos:
God willy always love you!
God will always care!
God will AWAYS WANT YOU!
God is alwauys there!

WELL we dont want him!
SO DEAL!

Authors Note: Yeah...I think this pretty much says it AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THINK FIRST BECUSE THIS IS HOW IT IS!!

Sydney Spider #fundie rr-bb.com

I definitely believe that demons can read our minds. Think about it.....they know which buttons to push, they know our weaknesses and frailties in order to tempt us in just the right areas, they know our doubts, fears and insecurities and play on them accordingly, and they know which painful memories to bring up with which to torment us over and over......how could they possibly do all that without reading our minds?

On a side note, that's another reason why God isn't going to tell any of us the date of the Rapture, no matter how 'trustworthy' we are.....because if we know, then they will know, too.

Jim Hoft #fundie thegatewaypundit.com

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Darling of the far left Sen. Elizabeth Warren released her 11 commandments of progressivism this week during her stop at the Netroots Nation annual conference.
The National Journal reported:

- “We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we’re willing to fight for it.”

- “We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth.”

- “We believe that the Internet shouldn’t be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality.”

- “We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage.”

- “We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them.”

- “We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt.”

- “We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions.”

- “We believe—I can’t believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work.”

- “We believe that equal means equal, and that’s true in marriage, it’s true in the workplace, it’s true in all of America.”

- “We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform.”

- “And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!”

And the main tenet of conservatives’ philosophy, according to Warren? “I got mine. The rest of you are on your own.”

This isn’t the first time we’ve seen a list like this.

As reader Tom W. reminded us, socialist party leader Adolf Hitler put together a similar list decades ago.
“The 25 Points of Hitler’s Nazi Party”

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.

23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

Pretty creepy isn’t it?

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

I do NOT hate anyone here at Jesus-is-Savior.com; on the contrary, I LOVE people very much. The whole purpose of my ministry is to HELP people. There is a war on for our minds and souls. I do not discriminate in any way. I simply present the truth, particularly the truth of God's Word, and expose those who seek to distort, confuse, and corrupt the truth. The Devil is a beautiful liar. The best way to expose the darkness is to shine the light. John 8:45, “And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.” —Jesus Christ

Galatians 4:16, “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” —The Apostle Paul I do NOT intend to be unkind to anyone. I simply speak the truth. My website preaches to me as much as anyone else. I do NOT hate anybody. What I DO hate is evil and damnable heresies that ruin people’s lives and lead them into Hell. "The fear of the LORD is to HATE evil..." —Proverb 8:13

I do NOT hate the sinner, no not one. As Christians we like people for their good qualities, but we are supposed to love them despite their faults. No one is perfect. In fact, Jesus only died for “the ungodly.” Romans 5:6... “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.” —Romans 5:6

There is no sinner that God doesn't love. Only a hypocritical, self-righteous person would claim that God doesn't love the worst sinner. Christ died for the UNGODLY, which is what you and I are. There is hope for anyone who acknowledges their guilt of sin and looks to Jesus Christ for forgiveness. It's not what you're doing that gets you to Heaven, it's where you're looking. Look to Jesus!

No one hates sin any more than God, yet He sent His only begotten Son in the flesh to die for men's sins... "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." —Romans 5:8

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, HATRED, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” —Galatians 5:19-21

“Hatred” of people is a work of the flesh, it is sin. Hatred is normal for the unsaved or “carnal man” who is living in sin, but the Bible teaches that hatred of people is not acceptable with God. God wants believers to be “spiritually minded.” God's love is an unconditional love, which is not dependent upon how people live or treat us. Few people understand the love of God, that sent Jesus to die for the sins of a rotten world that deserves nothing better than eternal punishment in Hell. If God didn't unconditionally love sinners, including the unsaved, then all humanity would immediately plunge into the depths of Hell. The Bible teaches that humanity is prone to DISOBEDIENCE and WRATH...

“Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the CHILDREN OF WRATH, even as others.” —Ephesians 2:2,3

God describes humanity as the “children of disobedience” and the “children of wrath.” Human nature is prone to disobey God. History evidences that mankind is destined to war and destruction. There is so much hatred in the world today. It's a dog-eat-dog world. We see much hatred in the manure-spreading newsmedia. We see much hatred in today's youth, who despise Christianity and have been taught to feel sympathy for godless homosexuals and abortionists. Very few people these days genuinely love the God of the Bible. "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned EVERY ONE to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." —Isaiah 53:6

As believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are NOT supposed to hate anyone. The Bible commands us to hate sin and evil, but never the people. This is not to say that we ought to sinfully compromise and yoke together with heathens, it just means that we are no better than anyone else and we'd all immediately plunge into Hell if it weren't for God's grace. As mentioned already, this is NOT a hate sight. It is actually a “Love Site.” My love for the Lord prompts me to contend for the faith and exercise my God-given religious freedom. Our rights do not come from the Bill of Rights or the U.S. Constitution, they come from God Almighty. The Constitution only outlines our rights. We are born with certain inalienable rights. One of these rights is the freedom of speech. Evil men may take that right away from us, but God certainly doesn't. We have a right to speak out against the evil and corruption hurting our community.

As a matter of fact, God commands us to refute evil. Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." I mean no harm to anyone, nor do I seek to offend. The truth may hurt, but it needs to be spoken. The truth makes some people mad. The truth offends most people. Is it any wonder why God calls us “the children of disobedience?”

John 8:40, “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth…” —Jesus Christ

Hopefully you will find this ministry a blessing and a benefit (as so many have). If you are offended, please know that it was not my intention. It is the truth that offends people, not me. I am not trying to upset anyone, though the truth often upsets people. I am just a voice. I am only expressing my heart-felt Christian beliefs. It is my hope that you will “have mercy on me” as you browse over my website, i.e., my ministry. Surely with all of the truths on a website this large, something will rub you the wrong way. I respect your right to disagree. It's ok to agree to disagree. I do not mean to offend anyone; however, I make no apologies for speaking the truth.

I do NOT enjoy upsetting people. There's hardly a day that passes when I'm not surprised by something new I've learned. My website is the accumulation of 7-years of things I have learned, and I've just scratched the surface. You needn't believe anything I say; but rather, verify the facts for yourself. I avoid topics such as UFO's that cannot be verified. There's a lot of deliberate misinformation on the internet, intended to discredit legitimate websites that promote the truth. I want to deal in FACTS, which cannot be explained away.

I praise God for the Constitutional right to express my opinion. This is every American's right. My purpose is NOT to attack people, God forbid. I am simply trying to expose false teachings and false religions, that send men and women to Hellfire by the tens-of-thousands every day. When you love someone, you tell them the truth, even if it makes you unpopular. I recently went to the grocery store. I had a nice conversation with a young man and a young woman who worked for the store. The young man helped to unload my groceries and place them onto the checkout counter. I thanked him. The young woman was working the register. He rolled the cart to the end of the counter and left a case of root beer in the cart. I mentioned the case of root beer to the cashier, but she didn't charge me for it. I knew they were trying to be friendly and I knew they were trying to give me a free case of root beer, but I couldn't allow them to do it.

I again asked her if she had charged me for the case of root beer and then she apologized for missing it. She couldn't look me in the eye when she handed me my credit card back. They had tried to steal from the store to be nice to me. I wanted to make friends with them and didn't like refusing their token of kindness, but it was wrong, it wasn't their food to give away. Although I felt bad, and they felt bad, I did the right thing. I spoke the truth. I would rather have no friends than have thieves as friends. I am not perfect, but I have enough things to answer to God for without adding more to it. At some point in life, we need to get serious about serving God. If we love God, then we'll make an effort to do right.

2nd Thessalonians 2:10, “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” The Bible teaches in 2nd Thessalonians 2:10 that many people will be deceived in the Last Days by the Antichrist because they received not the love of the truth. The truth is important. The Word of God is truth (John 17:17).

“Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath.” —Ephesians 4:26

May I say, it’s ok to be angry. Jesus became angry when the priests had turned God's house into a den of thieves. However, notice the next part of the verse we just read... “and sin not.” Jesus became angry, but he didn't sin. Jesus never sinned (2nd Corinthians 5:21). As an example: I hate abortion! I think abortion is cold-blooded murder. Less than .01% of total abortions are caused by incidents of rape and incest. Yet, these extremes are often used to justify all abortions. Ninety-nine percent of all abortions are simply the evil deeds of irresponsible people. HOWEVER, I don't hate anyone involved with abortion, not one bit. I love them because God has commanded us to love all people. Don’t you think that if God wanted to put an end to this mess, He could? Of course God could! And He will friend, in His own time.

Psalm 47:8, "God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness."

I can't say much about blocking abortion clinics, because I would jump right in front of the door if it were my child about to be murdered. The Bible commands me to love my neighbor as myself (Leviticus 19:18). If that were me about to be aborted, I would want someone to save my life! Americans have hit a new moral low, now murdering their own babies? It is wickedness. Abortionists have the same sick philosophy as Adolf Hitler, i.e., that certain classes of people have a right to life, and others don't. Abortionists don't believe that the unborn fetus has a right to life. They effectively believe that the living are superior to the fetus in the womb. A society that will murder it's unborn is capable of any evil imaginable. Any evil imaginable!

The Scriptures teach, “Be ye angry, and sin not.” There is a fine line between faith and foolishness. We should be angered about abortion, day and night. However, we must be careful to channel that anger through constructive channels which will prevent further abortions, not put us in prison. The best way to fight abortion is by word-of-mouth and public education. We can all SPEAK OUT against abortion in an appropriate manner as civilized people. And we must speak out..."Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" —Psalm 94:16

Anti-abortion signs are working great nationwide. Thousands of babies have been spared the tortuous death of abortion. God bless the efforts of the folks at Repent America and Operation Rescue. We can do many good things to fight the New World Order, feminism, abortion, homosexuality, etc cetera; but we must not become hateful of the sinner. The best way to stop abortion is to hold up the graphic posters of aborted pieces of children for expectant mothers to view, and to educate them about available Christian adoption services. The wicked politicians and judges in America, who have permitted the murder of tens-of-millions of babies, will give account to God, just as wicked King Herod had to give account for murdering thousands of children in an attempt to kill Jesus. Most of all, the American public is to blame, for tolerating such wickedness and remaining silent concerning evil.

Admittedly, there are many religious “nuts” in the world. As true believers, the Bible should create in us a “sound mind” (which is spoken of in the book of Second Timothy)…“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.” —2nd Timothy 1:7

"Sound" meaning "clear in thought." We are to be level-headed while the world is going insane. The world has become a large insane asylum. If crazy people want to murder their children, we must NOT join the craziness. No "sound" individual would take the life of their own child. I have only used the issue of abortion as an example of how believers are supposed to behave themselves. We are to HATE sin; but not the sinner. Unfortunately, it's getting to the place where Christians won't even be able to speak out anymore against sin if the heathen get their way. We are living in a rotten society. I foresee the day when churches will lose their tax-exemption for speaking out against homosexuality, and be prosecuted for not hiring them. The Bible says the day is coming when the wicked will kill believers, thinking they are doing God a favor...

"They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."
—John 16:2

We read that evil men and seducers will become worse and worse..."But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit." —Jude 1:17-19

"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." —2nd Timothy 2:13

God’s people are to be peace-loving people…“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.” —Romans 12:18

God’s people are to be peaceful people…“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” —Hebrews 12:14

Dr. John R. Rice wrote a book entitled, “I Am A Fundamentalist!” In that book, there is a chapter called, “I Am a Fundamentalist, Not a Nut.” There’s plenty of nuts in the world; God’s children should NOT be in that group. Hating evil is a Biblical command (Psalm 97:10). Taking a stand against evildoers is Biblical (Psalm 94:16). I speak the truth in love as Ephesians 4:15 tells us to. Teaching the inspired Word of God is certainly not hatred. Abortion is murder and someone needs to speak out on behalf of those human beings in the womb. Genuine love speaks the truth.

So friend... having said all the above, I want to say once more... This is NOT a hate site, it is a LOVE site. May God bless you friend and always remember, GOD LOVES PEOPLE!!!

Christine #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Apparently hasn't finished the book.]
Hmmm, raising the dead? Havent you seen Pet Cemetary? That ain't cool to even think about. I'm a christian, and I do believe miracles do happen some of the time, but I can't really say that I would believe the "raising the dead" issue. And I would say that I would have to see it to believe it, but Im not so sure I'd even want to witness that one!

Rom831 #fundie rr-bb.com

[On Christians who accept evolution as God's method of creation]So, if I tell you a lie, and convince you its true, will you say what you believe is a lie or the truth? Since you believe it, you will say its the truth even though I just lied to you and made you think its the truth. Same with these Christian evolutionists. Just because they believe a lie, doesn't make it the truth. We have a choice, either evolution is a lie told by man. Or Creation is a lie told by God. Its up to you to decide who is lying to you.

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pfta2a #fundie reddit.com

Children can never be sexual in our society because they cannot consent

Children are sexual. Just because society attempts to reject that fact, doesn't make it less of a fact. There is also no evidence that consensual early sexuality will screw up a child's life. Consensual sex play (or even consensual sex) between children is generally accepted as beneficial by child psychologists. It helps them learn about sex and also helps them to accept sex as natural and not something to be ashamed of.

Age of Consent laws are a problem because they don't account for child sexuality. You may believe that an adult should not be allowed to have sex with a child, but two children should be able to have sex without both of them being considered rapist.

Fuckin' gross, dude. Children develop sexually and sexuality. Like their other various forms of intelligences, they start simple and grow over time, so that at any observed moment, their level of sophistication falls on a continuum.
This does not mean that a statement like "children are sexual" is in any way, shape, or form correct or, considering what the likely motivation behind such a statement is, anything less than fucking abhorrent.
Consign yourself to a deserted island, you shitty predator. Any adult who takes and active and undue interest in children's sexuality is doing so for self-serving reasons, and needs to be monitored and contained. If you don't take steps to keep yourself physically removed from sources of temptation (in this case, meaning those not yet experienced, mature, or savvy enough to recognize your advances and protect themselves from your overtures), society needs to do it for you.

Did you know that most babies (under 1 year old) learn to touch their genitals as a form of pleasure. They can't orgasm at that age, but they can find the sensation pleasurable. In many cultures, parents also touch the genitals to sooth and comfort a baby.

Touch is healthy, especially from people you are comfortable with. Babies perceive (edit: non-forcible) touch to their genitals as pleasurable, unless they are taught not to. In sexually permissive cultures, children can learn to masturbate (for pleasure) by the age of 6 to 8. Children begin engaging in coitus by the ages of 6 or 7.

We live in a society that deliberately teaches children not to be sexual. We create a taboo around sex and sexuality, especially in regards to children. So in our society children are perceived as non-sexual, because we teach them not to be. We teach them that they should feel guilt or shame about sex. Many are harmed by this view; adults who grow up with feelings of guilt or shame about their sexuality. Children who are imprisoned or on the sex offenders list because they acted sexually.

Also I'm not going to have sex with a child. I believe that in our society the potential for harm to her from external pressures (society, therapist, law enforcement) is too great.

Men don't need to be removed from women because they are a source of temptation and might rape them. I don't need to be removed from association with kids, because I will not rape them. In another society I would be willing to have consensual sex with a child, but not in this one. I'm not will to risk the harm that society would do to her if they found out, even if she was a willing and enjoyed the act itself.

is the very definition of predatory, no matter what nickerson and the other virpeds say.

The VirPed's (who are anti-contact - which is to say they believe sexual contact between adults/children is always harmful) do not say this. The pro-contacter's do (which is to say, we believe sex between an adult and child would be non-harmful and even beneficial if social and legal views changed).

Sexual education and the ability to form their own moral compass in regards to sexual activity is very important.

But society does not allow them to form their own moral compass. It gives them the moral compass. It starts when a parent pushes their babies hand away from their genitals and continues throughout childhood as children are actively discouraged from exploring their own sexuality and are not answered when they ask about sexuality. Sexuality and especially child sexuality are taboo in our society.

However, they should be able to discover these things in their own way, at their own pace, with their peers.

I almost agree, I would say with whomever they choose, rather than their peers. Let them form their own moral compass, let them act on that moral compass. Even if their moral compass permits sexual contact with an adult. As noted above, our society does not do this. Our society pushes them away from self-discovery, purposefully slows their pace and discourages sexual interactions with others (especially adults).

taking advantage of a child if they had physical relations.

Why? What makes sex so special? An unrelated adult can have a emotional relationship, a friendship, even a physical but non-sexual relationship. Or should all adults avoid unrelated children unless it is a professional relationship with that child?

Nedarbi #fundie panheads.org

yah sometimes scientist come up with this lame evidence. i personally am shocked that people actually believe in evolution. think for a second guys. think of all the evidence supporting evolution that scientist have said either through tv or newspapaers or whatever. now after you have all of it in your heads think about how FAR FETCHED and IMPOSSIBLE it all sounds and IS. i think that when people believe in evolution it is just themselves denigning god and trying to escape him. the simple conclusion that i can see is that evolution is just to far fetched of a theory for any one to truly believe